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Speaker 1: My husband told the court his mistress is our surrogate liar.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get revenge and ruin him financially. Am I

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Speaker 1: the a whole?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Wait, so he's trying to cover his infidelity by saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: this girl I knocked up, my wife agreed to it,

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Speaker 2: like she's carrying our baby under.

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Speaker 1: Oath, like I swear that I was not stuffing her

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Speaker 1: with my sausage for pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Low key kind of smart though maybe, Like the only

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Speaker 2: problem is the wife would be like, absolutely, that's not true.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise genius move. Yeah, you got this in though, you

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Speaker 2: got this lockdown, bro, exactly. Well, hey, let's see how

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Speaker 2: I coach.

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Speaker 1: Let's see so I twenty nine female, have an ex

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Speaker 1: thirty four male.

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Speaker 3: Richard Richard more like, oh, remember it's been three years

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Speaker 3: since we separated due to him being abusive and cheating,

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Speaker 3: but we are not divorced as divorce is expensive in

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Speaker 3: my country and whenever I apply for divorce, Richard insists

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Speaker 3: on mediation, so divorce is not granted as one of

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Speaker 3: us tries to save the marriage.

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Speaker 2: God dang, yeah, because in some countries it's like two

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Speaker 2: party consent for divorce kind of things. Even if you

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Speaker 2: are even if you uh, even if you're in like America, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you don't have like both parties consent for divorce,

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Speaker 2: it can be really difficult. Yeah, and it can it

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Speaker 2: can be really really different. I've never crossed my mind. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: divorce is messy, I believe it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He lives with his mistress and they have a kid

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Speaker 1: together that was conceived while we were still together.

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Speaker 2: Gotta love it. Yeah, yeah, just just a just a

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Speaker 2: great dude.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's so little decency today, but there's

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Speaker 1: men like him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at least he's chivalrous enough to stay with his baby. Baba,

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Speaker 2: guy an give the big credit where credit's do the

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Speaker 2: mistress and I are? This relationship is the one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is the one. Yeah, this is the one until

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Speaker 2: I find a new surrogate. Yeah yeah, sorry Maab sorry Bames.

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Speaker 2: And man just has like a line of nine surrogate. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just keeps the relationship a thing. Oh man.

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Speaker 1: Now, due to both of them harassing and abusing me,

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Speaker 1: I have a restraining order against both of them.

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Speaker 2: Good my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, my husband is aware of all of this. As

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Speaker 1: a utility company my ex works for supplies the buildings

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Speaker 1: of my husband's offices one of the major suppliers in

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Speaker 1: the country.

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Speaker 2: God, that is annoying. So your husband owns the utilities.

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Speaker 2: I guess they have love following the logic, like.

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Speaker 1: He supplies for utilities, he has all the power.

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Speaker 2: He could shut off the electricity with the flick of

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Speaker 2: a switch.

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Speaker 1: When I was thinking that's the more accurate description of utilities,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, you want toilet paper?

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Speaker 2: Huh, say hello to dirty asses.

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Speaker 1: My ex's family believes its hate to have several partners

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Speaker 1: and still have them be responsible for the other kids

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Speaker 1: even though they're from an affair.

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Speaker 2: Was that like in the initial marriage contract? You know

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Speaker 2: I didn't read that line?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did I need a magnifying glass?

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Speaker 2: That one in sickness and in health if you have

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Speaker 2: a fair baby.

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Speaker 1: But the husband says it's a surrogate because he just

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Speaker 1: wants to point.

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Speaker 2: Her, yes, that you also have to stay through that too.

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Speaker 1: Di no divorce, And according to our friends in common,

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Speaker 1: he spreads a lie that I couldn't get pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, does that make it better? Like I couldn't

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Speaker 2: get pregnant, so hey, you know, gotta pump, gotta gotta

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Speaker 2: put some seed in this other one.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it only makes oh pee, it makes

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Speaker 1: opee look way better, and yeah, I guess or not

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Speaker 1: it makes the X look way better and I guess.

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Speaker 2: It looks way better. I mean he's still cheated. I guess.

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Speaker 1: I guess it like removes the messess of the situation.

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Speaker 1: But it's like your cheat, it doesn't remove the messiness.

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Speaker 1: What world does it? I have a child with another woman?

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Speaker 1: What kind of world are you living in?

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Speaker 2: John? With the same messy miss.

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Speaker 1: Let me get if if the ex lies to the friends,

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Speaker 1: then the lie is less messy than if they believe

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Speaker 1: the lie. I mean it's a lie, so it is messy.

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Speaker 1: But to the friend believe.

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Speaker 2: Both that she couldn't have kids and this actually is

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Speaker 2: is a legitimate surrogate.

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Speaker 1: Like like if the basically, if you tell the friends like,

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Speaker 1: oh hey, I just we just had it with a

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Speaker 1: surrogate the old fashioned way, then the friends like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I guess that's just like what they did.

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Speaker 2: Versus I thought, you're like, the friends knew that he cheated, Okay, No, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, my reputation is on the line.

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Speaker 2: Put an f in the chat for for John's reputation

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Speaker 2: either win or for fucked.

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Speaker 1: He claims we agreed to have a surrogate his mistress

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Speaker 1: help us with that, but then I overreacted called it cheating,

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Speaker 1: so he had to stay with her to support the kid.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wow, low key, perfect alibi. I mean it makes

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Speaker 2: sense if that's real, like like it it is? That

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Speaker 2: is the best that I feel like, that's the best

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Speaker 2: lie that we've heard. That's it's a pretty decent line.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty decent lie. Like I'm not a this

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Speaker 2: guy's a dick bag. Richard is a dick, dick for short,

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Speaker 2: probably has a short dick. But uh, of the dicks

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Speaker 2: that we've heard, lie, this is probably our our favorite one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it's the best one. It doesn't mean it's

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Speaker 1: our You can have favorites all you want.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's after the time for my reputation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same as what he pulled in court

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Speaker 1: when we were getting divorce alongside with his I still

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Speaker 1: love her and should have communicated better lies so the

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Speaker 1: court wouldn't grant a divorce as they believe.

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Speaker 2: He is trying to save the marriage and I'm being unreasonable.

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Speaker 2: Is there like documentation of this surrogate thing. That's a

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Speaker 2: good question because like wouldn't there have to be yeah,

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Speaker 2: like or is it just like YO told, I'm told,

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Speaker 2: or that we were getting a surrogate. We never texted

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Speaker 2: about it, not in any emails, but.

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, like I have to imagine anything legit

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Speaker 1: there's some like surrogate paper because like what if it

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Speaker 2: And she's like, I'm not like, no, this is actually

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Speaker 2: my kid, like show some proof. Yeah, unless this than

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Speaker 2: just like unless this could be in one of those

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Speaker 2: countries where it's just like, oh the husband said it

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Speaker 2: most Yeah, his family's beliefs are not normal for the country,

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Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure they'd change if the situation would

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Speaker 2: be the other way around. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine Op was like, yeah, you know I got

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Speaker 1: this mistress, but I'm just gonna lie and say that

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Speaker 1: you know, this is this is our kid and you

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Speaker 1: have to pay for it. Now, that would be a

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Speaker 1: great like basically just reverse who know wait.

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Speaker 2: Wait oh like like like.

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Speaker 1: Op, they're still married, right, Yes, she goes gets pregnant

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Speaker 1: by some dude and She's like, I'm just gonna tell

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Speaker 1: everyone it was a surrogate U and now you have.

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Speaker 2: To pay for it. That is a great reverse in

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Speaker 2: that would be kind of fire aop. Now you know

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Speaker 2: how to get revenge. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: My boss is also incredibly frustrated with the situation, so

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Speaker 1: he gave me context of it. So he impregnated me

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Speaker 1: and thanks boss, what bosses are for?

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Speaker 2: Just kidding? Great boss.

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Speaker 1: So he gave me the context of his friend, who

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Speaker 1: happens to be a family lawyer who agreed to help

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Speaker 1: me out at a discounted rate as he owes my

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Speaker 1: boss a few.

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Speaker 2: Favors sexual things. Oh god.

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Speaker 1: He sees why the courts take that long and will

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Speaker 1: try his best to make sure that a divorce is granted.

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Speaker 1: He also works no win, no feet, and he believes

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Speaker 1: that we can win the case and get Richard to

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Speaker 1: cover the outstanding fees.

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Speaker 2: Huge.

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Speaker 1: That's nice and most importantly, no, I have not been

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Speaker 1: paying child support to him and was not instructed to

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Speaker 1: the bit claiming that the child is mine as his

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Speaker 1: mistress is a surrogate could be a bit complicated, But

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Speaker 1: my lawyer, mister lawyer, I owe a beer, said courts

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Speaker 1: can't make me pay or accept it since there's no

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Speaker 1: evidence of the agreement.

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Speaker 2: Smart Sam, Yeah, of course it's just a bold face lie, right,

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Speaker 2: So there's no way he's getting away with this unless

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Speaker 2: it's one of those countries where it's just like the

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Speaker 2: dude said it.

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Speaker 1: Let's find out. Now to the actual events. Due to restrictions,

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Speaker 1: everyone is currently working from home with a few days

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Speaker 1: in the office. Richard decided to show up at my

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Speaker 1: work with his kid and demanded to see me for

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Speaker 1: child support money since we are still legally married.

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Speaker 2: That frecker. Wow, wait, so you have to pay child

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Speaker 2: support if you're so legally married?

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Speaker 1: It must be also, like I wonder if they're not

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Speaker 1: in the States, And then maybe there's another like a

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Speaker 2: Or like maybe it's like she makes more money than

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Speaker 2: him and maybe Yeah, this guy sounds like a freaking

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Speaker 2: deadbeat liar.

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Speaker 1: And literally it's like, why would I ever pay for

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Speaker 1: your a fair baby in one what know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy. I hope that the swift I hope

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Speaker 2: the swift gavel of the law is just shoved so

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Speaker 2: far up. This guy's asshole comes out his mouth. He

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Speaker 2: gets pregnant with another affair. Yeah, a little squirt, some

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Speaker 2: some truth in that man's.

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Speaker 1: But the affair, baby of justice, where super white. As

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Speaker 1: my employer is aware of the situation, the reception refused

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Speaker 1: to tell him if I'm in the office or not.

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Speaker 2: I was. That's hilarious, good good, yeah, thank god. At

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Speaker 2: least like the company is protecting her a little bit, right.

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Speaker 1: Because it would be so embarrassing if they had no context. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. And they asked Richard to leave. Richard

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Speaker 1: did not, and security was called as he was with

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Speaker 1: his child. Security couldn't use force to remove Richard, so

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Speaker 1: the reception threatened to call the utility company he works.

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Speaker 2: Oh now the utility is coming.

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Speaker 1: Ah oh yeah, big Daddy Bucks laying down the hammer

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Speaker 1: a law. Now, Richard didn't believe the reception could do it,

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Speaker 1: so long story short, him and his mistress were fired

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Speaker 1: with immediate effect. Wow, as Richard showing up to my

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Speaker 1: work has been seen as gross misconduct. And they discovered

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Speaker 1: that Richard was his mistress's boss.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is a messy. It gets sweeter,

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, dude, this guy is an idiot.

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Speaker 1: Apparently his employer didn't know they were even together, and

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Speaker 1: it's strictly forbidden to have a relationship with someone who

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Speaker 1: is directly employed by you.

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Speaker 2: You are an idiot, Richard oh Man, the biggest dummy

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Speaker 2: in the world. I like, I don't know how he

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Speaker 2: thought this lie would work. Don't cream where you eat,

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Speaker 2: my guy? Come on.

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Speaker 1: The utility company apologized for Richard's actions and gave a

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Speaker 1: considerable discount for their service to make sure the news

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Speaker 1: of what happened wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Oh so they like did like some hush money.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not OPI's looking great, Yeah, going to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, bro, Yeah right, oh Man.

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Speaker 1: Dun dunn, Sam, I want to know what you want

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Speaker 2: Is this guy the a hole for doing literally everything? Like?

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Speaker 2: Like what's the actual the process of doing that. I know,

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Speaker 1: So my wife won't let me kiss my gay son.

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Speaker 2: I mean we're talking on the lips.

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Speaker 1: Hey, my son, I get to kiss him consensually.

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Speaker 2: Hey yeah if he if he likes it, then it's fun. Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know everyone's doing it. Look at who's the quarterback?

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, tom Brady? Something? Look at Tom Brady, tom Brady?

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Speaker 2: Is it tom Brady? One of those guys? The other

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Speaker 2: other guy that it might have been Peyton Manning? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: look up? Look up? Who kisses football player that kisses

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he kiss his son on the lips?

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Speaker 2: Is it tom Brady? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, three years after a video of Tom Brady kissing

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Speaker 2: Hey, look at tom Brady. He's kissing all the kids

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Speaker 2: on the lips. Come on, come on, it's normal. Let

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Speaker 2: me do it. Why won't you let me do it.

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Speaker 2: Kiss your son's on the lips. You are the a hole. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you're not kissing your kids on the lips, then

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to give him a smacker, Rooney. Not sorry,

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Speaker 2: What am I thinking? Yeah? What am I your lips?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not That's not what I'm mean.

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Speaker 2: A colation of Peyton Manning kissing his kids? Yeah? Can

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Speaker 2: we get can we get a nice, nice clip? We

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Speaker 2: we do have Tom Brady kissing people. Compilation. Amazing, that's

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Speaker 2: what we want. You know, Let's let's see what's going

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Speaker 1: When I thirty seven, Mail was seventeen, I got my

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, we're coming out of this story, Sward said. Damn,

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Speaker 2: so bullets, double barrel shot right there. Baby.

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Speaker 1: Her parents didn't want the babies to ruin her future,

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Speaker 2: Damn, that's a tough choice. But in the words of

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Speaker 1: Bees and of t Bro twin out of teas just

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Speaker 2: I saw a TikTok where it was like what your

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Speaker 2: but my parents told me not to. Not allowed.

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Speaker 1: For the first seven years of my boys' lives, I

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Speaker 2: Had to take him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you know true kind of especially when they're seven,

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Speaker 2: It's like these are your kids, bro, Like, yeah, take

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Speaker 1: Out of my house.

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Speaker 2: The kids damn seventeen, dude, seventeen. If we had kids

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Speaker 2: We would have a seven year old now seven eight years.

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Speaker 2: If we jointly carried a child, you have pregnant. Pregnant.

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Speaker 1: That would be interesting. Conjoined joined, So like we literally

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Speaker 1: had to just do everything together. Tandem bicycles, tandem bicycles, crapping, crapping, Wow,

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Speaker 1: all manner content? Yeah, what choice do we? I guess

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Speaker 1: we could look other places, but we don't want to.

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Speaker 2: We look into each other's eyes. There's no other way.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather defecate on that note. Back to the story.

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Speaker 1: Now, I didn't want to at first, but I'm glad

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Speaker 1: my parents made me take them. We started bonding as

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Speaker 1: while I just wrapped my arms all around them.

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Speaker 2: That's cute, that's cute, This is really wholesome.

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Speaker 1: They put their heads on my chest and I would

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Speaker 1: kiss them on the forehead. We've been doing this since

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Speaker 1: they were seven, you know, just some sweet father loving

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing wrong with that, nothing wrong, nothing wrong. Then

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Speaker 1: I met my current wife five years ago. My kids

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Speaker 1: were fifteen. We married three years ago, and we welcomed

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Speaker 2: For female. I love when they do, like the young

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Speaker 1: She saw me doing this with my kids when we

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Speaker 2: Wife supposedly love me. Yeah, why are you cheering me on?

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Speaker 2: As I'm making out with my kids? I sung down

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Speaker 2: my son's pa. Who cares? Who cares? This is called parenting?

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Speaker 2: Learn it? Learn it? How am I suppose tell my

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Speaker 2: know that I would very serpent? Good God. I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to have a father son moment, teaching lessons,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sue me. Hey, this is oral tradition right here?

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Speaker 1: If if if if giving my my son's oral traditions

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Speaker 1: like this is a wrong.

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Speaker 2: Sue me, you know, giving my son up.

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Speaker 1: Lock me up, okay, lock me up, throw me away,

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Speaker 1: lock lock me away, throw away the key.

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Speaker 2: I think they're throwing away the key onto John. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: twin can join children. Never on our conjoined children. They

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Speaker 2: will always be together. You know, if if can join

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Speaker 2: if one twin murder someone but the other twin didn't,

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Speaker 2: who was jail? Absolutely? Oh true, true, true, yep, they

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Speaker 1: It's not their faults. They're they're absolutely like not at fault.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if any conjoined twins have been have been murdered,

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Speaker 1: What do you do because you you're sent you literally

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Speaker 1: are sentencing an innocent person, or you're not sentencing a

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Speaker 2: What would you do? What would you do?

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Speaker 1: Internet you are the judges in this case, what is

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Speaker 2: Tell us? Tell us?

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Speaker 1: Now, my kids are no longer living with us because

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anything anything, any slander, no slander,

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Speaker 1: no no, as is pure, pure, pure hearted. Now, my

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Speaker 1: there we go, package deal, package deal. I don't care

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Speaker 1: I love them absolutely, no matter what, and I just

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Speaker 2: But it seems that my wife is a little uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't like that affection. She does it.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't love me showing affection and trying to build

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Speaker 2: How it's a crime. Apparently it's a crime. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: an erection who cares about that? Erectlyho tomato?

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Speaker 1: Okay, good God about the erection, y'all. Yeah, ok Now,

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Speaker 1: Then I gave him a kiss on the forehead and said,

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Speaker 2: It seems actually like really wholesome. I only see parent

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's because I'm legally blind, lady, because I'm

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Speaker 1: not seeing anything wrong because parenting excuse me, are.

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Speaker 2: You legally blind? No, I'm close to legally blind. What

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Speaker 2: what's your prescription? It's like five?

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Speaker 2: twenty is like point two point two. Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know for prescriptions for my and my my contacts.

441
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Speaker 2: It's negative two point two five negative two like what

442
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Speaker 2: it's corrected too? Yeah, anyway, just better?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Yeah, I can't remember, but I was.

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Speaker 1: My doctor told me I was. My vision was gonna

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Speaker 1: get worse and worse and worse until I was twenty six.

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Speaker 2: So he made it. There we go.

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Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take not good eyeballs for partially, I'll

448
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: take them partially.

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Speaker 2: Worse and now they're gonna now they're gonna get better

450
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Speaker 2: twenty six onwards than it reverses. We'll see, we'll see.

451
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Speaker 2: You've heard of macular degeneration, but what about ocular generation?

452
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Speaker 2: I haven't hevocular degeneration, haven't even heard of those. Now.

453
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Speaker 1: We went to sleep and the next day my wife

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Speaker 1: told me that it made her feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: What to kiss my children?

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was illegal to love my children? Yeah,

457
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Speaker 1: come on, And she asked me never to do it again.

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Speaker 2: That's weird.

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Speaker 1: While she doesn't mind me doing it with Lucas, my

460
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Speaker 1: other son, who is straight, she does not want me

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Speaker 1: to do it with Liam. Say that that is the

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Speaker 1: weirdest part. Like, yes, I understand more. If you're like Hey,

463
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Speaker 1: it's a little weird. You're kissing your children, Like that

464
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: makes sense, but the whole like, don't kiss your gay

465
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: son and kiss your straight son, Like that's what's he

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Speaker 1: gonna do. Like, Dad, I've loved you for the first

467
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Speaker 1: time I laid eyes on you.

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Speaker 2: He's a freaking newborn baby. Yeah no, no, that's good.

469
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: He also like he has a boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: He's with someone, Sheryl, So come on, he doesn't want him.

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Speaker 1: I told her that she has no business being in

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Speaker 1: my relationship with my sons.

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Speaker 2: And I also called her homophobic honestly, like that. It

474
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Speaker 2: is homophobic.

475
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Speaker 3: It literally is.

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Speaker 2: She accused me of not treating her like an equal

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Speaker 2: parent to my son. I mean, it's it's his son's

478
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Speaker 2: last last time I checked, he came from my ball sec. Okay,

479
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: none of your eggs. We're involved in the process. Yeah.

480
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Speaker 2: And also like he raised them for much longer, for

481
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Speaker 2: like fifteen years. Yeah. So she accused me of.

482
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Speaker 1: Not treating her like an equal parent, to which I said,

483
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Speaker 1: that's okay, because you're not.

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Speaker 2: It's true like she thinks she thinks because she parented

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Speaker 2: these kids, parented these kids for like a little over

486
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Speaker 2: an election cycle that like she's suddenly a parent.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

488
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Speaker 2: I love that quantification.

489
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Speaker 1: It's barely been a presidential cycle, Like, can we please

490
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Speaker 1: tone it down here? Obama is still in office, honey,

491
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Speaker 1: cool your jets now. My brother says, I should understand

492
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Speaker 1: because this is a big change for her, a son

493
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Speaker 1: coming out.

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Speaker 2: But seriously, I don't think there's anything to get used

495
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Speaker 2: to unless she's just bigoted. I mean, like maybe she's

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Speaker 2: bigoted and she's trying to get like I think it

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Speaker 2: sounds like she's bigoted looking for an excuse. Yeah, well

498
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Speaker 2: maybe not looking for an excuse, but like she's bigoted

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Speaker 2: and she's uncomfortable with it because she doesn't have these

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Speaker 2: police and it's like, I think the best thing you

501
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: could do is like point out, like, hey, like you're

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Speaker 2: having a double standard. You're literally being homophobic and this

503
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Speaker 2: is why. And like maybe she doesn't even understand that

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Speaker 2: she's like bigoted.

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Speaker 1: Totally possible, but yeah, it's like why why isn't an

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Speaker 1: issue with my straight son?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think like it's like like I think

508
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Speaker 2: a lot of bigotry is not verbalized. It's just like

509
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Speaker 2: a feeling that someone has, and so if you verbalize, okay,

510
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Speaker 2: like why do you feel that way? Or why are

511
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Speaker 2: you like, why do you think that's not okay? And

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Speaker 2: then it's like, you know, like it boils down to like,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm just uncomfortable with with gay people, right,

514
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Speaker 2: Like then you can actually address the bigotry. Yeah, right,

515
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Speaker 2: because if she doesn't think she's a bigot, then she

516
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Speaker 2: won't know how to actually like counteract that. Also.

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Speaker 1: No one, well maybe some people, but like the majority

518
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Speaker 1: of people are not like, yeah, you know, I'm a homophobe,

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Speaker 1: you know, I.

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Speaker 2: Just they don't they don't claim they don't claim.

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Speaker 1: That as a title. So it's like, break down the situation,

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Speaker 1: talk with them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, actually, I mean there's probably a fair amount

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Speaker 2: of people that are like there probably are people.

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Speaker 1: Who there are people, but like I think the majority

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Speaker 1: of people who are accused of it are like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not me, bro, Yeah yeah, but you just gotta

528
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: you just gotta assess your biases. Everyone has them. This

529
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: is true. This is everyone has them, and the whole

530
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Speaker 2: point of living, or one of the points is to

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Speaker 2: build empathy for all people's, even people that you don't

532
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Speaker 2: necessarily understand.

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Speaker 1: His shirt says it right there, Bam life lesson. But

534
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, this isn't her problem, nor is it

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Speaker 1: my problem who my son loves. Am I in the wrong.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I

537
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: mean like KidSing on the forehead, I don't think is

538
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: a big deal. I mean, like my dad, like I

539
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: didn't grow up like that like my I mean hugs

540
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Speaker 2: and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's like if it's normal in that

542
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Speaker 1: well not anything that's normal in the household is normal.

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Speaker 1: But it's like that's something that like people who aren't

544
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Speaker 1: used to it could be like, oh, that's a bit much.

545
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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's actually anything wrong with it

546
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: in reality. It's just like that's one way or so.

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Speaker 1: I mean all kinds of cultures kiss everybody.

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Speaker 2: In the face or like yeah, like like most Italian cultures,

549
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: like you know, you're gonna say that's like wrong, She's

550
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Speaker 2: gonna come and say you cannot kiss your son. Yeah, yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think the wife has some

552
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Speaker 2: biases she needs to figure out. Let the dad make

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Speaker 2: out with the son. Case