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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the twenty five year

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Speaker 1: old movie Gladiator of I Ridly Scott. Well Gladier two

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Speaker 1: in theater soon. Be warned if you have out watched Gladiator,

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Speaker 1: then watch it before listening to this before seeing Gladiator

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Speaker 1: too and aply connected guys. Hello, my name is Jason

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Speaker 1: Casepsiote co host to a pod and I will have

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Speaker 1: my revenge in this life of the next.

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Speaker 2: I weesday night. Are you not entertained?

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to x me vision of the podcast

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep. It's your favorite shows, movies, comics

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Speaker 1: and pop culture coming from My Heart podcast where we

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Speaker 1: bring you between two and three and sometimes war episodes

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Speaker 1: every week Tuesday Thursday, with extra episodes on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, in the air Lock, we are revisiting

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Speaker 2: the five time Oscar winning film Gladiator by Ridley Scott

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Speaker 2: starring Russell Crowe, and in the omnibus, we are going

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Speaker 2: to dig into some of the history, both real life

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Speaker 2: and production wise, that gave us Gladiator and we'll lead

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Speaker 2: us in to the eagerly awaited Gladiator two.

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Speaker 1: Dun dundun all right. Gladiator the year two thousand, directed

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Speaker 1: by Ridley Scott, Gosh, what a film. I saw it

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Speaker 1: in the theaters. This is when I was working in

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Speaker 1: movie theaters, saw every movie and my reaction was, Wow,

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Speaker 1: what an insanely violent and good movie that.

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Speaker 2: Was so violent, like when I rewatched it for the pod.

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Speaker 2: So let me set this up. When I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: I saw this movie on VHS at my dad's house

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Speaker 2: and I was so upset when one of the guys

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Speaker 2: I've watched it since, but on this watch, I was

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Speaker 2: what are the craziest ways that people could die in

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Speaker 2: When it comes to that and it is my little crew.

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Speaker 2: We always talk about like a dude's rock movie, and

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Speaker 1: This is a dude's being dudes hanging out with dudes

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Speaker 2: I was rewatching it this morning. One because I love

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Speaker 2: the way that these men come together against the face

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Speaker 2: of this evil, maniacal sociopath leader of Rome. This movie

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Speaker 1: It has a what I consider to be an iconic

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Speaker 1: This is the breakout role for Russell Crowe, who got

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Speaker 1: thing I like about Russell Crowe in this movie is

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Speaker 1: And I love that about this people. So Russell Crowe

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Speaker 1: plays Maximus Decimus Meridius, a general the Roman Army currently

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Speaker 2: Rosie, why does he do that?

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Speaker 2: And guess what though, You're still gonna be living the

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Speaker 1: And it makes him so effective as a villain. This

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Speaker 1: Six Trophies, Chase Rano. I think that there are basically

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Speaker 2: Tell me what you think exclusive third way?

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Speaker 1: Right? I think that the first way is even match

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, And every time something I think

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Speaker 2: Ridley Scott does incredibly well narratively. Here he sets up

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Speaker 2: But also as well, I think for me, this is

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Speaker 1: Maximus refuses to serve Commonists, who he suspects of killing Marcus,

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's put like an asterisk like that, because we

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Speaker 2: And that lack of loyalty is becomes so profound when

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Speaker 1: After his epic ride, he is exhausted and he finds

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Speaker 1: to North Africa. He wakes up there. He's also was

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Speaker 1: Guess what Maximus is good at. That he's really good.

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Speaker 2: At and also because he has history as a soldier

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Speaker 1: Then sets up a rigged fight that Maximus has to

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Speaker 2: very beautiful. I will also say as well, I like

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Speaker 2: your use of the term poetic because in that moment

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Speaker 2: when he's Maximus is on the floor and he is

435
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Speaker 2: struggling to breathe and Lucilla's looking down on him, the

436
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: color of the sky behind her is just the brightest blue,

437
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Speaker 2: the brightest blue you've ever seen. Like, the way that

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Speaker 2: he uses color and con trass is so interesting. And also,

439
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: you know what, Jaimenhns, who's there at the end, Jubi

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Speaker 2: is there. You know I would have watched Gladiator two

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Speaker 2: with him. We're gonna talk about the many Gladiator two options,

442
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Speaker 2: actually because I'm obsessed with one of them. But yeah,

443
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 2: what a movie. I'm actually so so glad that we

444
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: got to revisit this because I don't know in twenty

445
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Speaker 2: twenty four, Man, this just hit so hard for me

446
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: and just spoke to me as a fun like dude's

447
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: rock bros hanging out almost slice of life. Like a

448
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: lot of times they're just like, this is what it's

449
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: hanging out the life of a gladiator. It's like a

450
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: lot of this movie is actually like very character based,

451
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 2: very slow, lots of waiting, lots of talking, lots of

452
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Speaker 2: not even much scheming or plotting. More just like we

453
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Speaker 2: might die what is important to you? And I think

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Speaker 2: that's really really cool and actually unusual and makes the

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Speaker 2: film age well. Also visually it looks so good. I

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Speaker 2: feel like if the kids on TikTok and it's watch

457
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 2: this movie, I feel like they're gonna do like comparisons

458
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Speaker 2: between how washed out modern cinema looks and the like

459
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Speaker 2: absolute saturated, beautiful color, big colors. Yes, is so appealing

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Speaker 2: to watch. Ridley Scott, you did it man, this is a.

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Speaker 1: Well this is two thousand and it's on film correct.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's And that's why it looks so good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That'll lead us to Gladier two, which is set fifteen

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Speaker 1: years after the events of the original film and is

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Speaker 1: focused on the adventure of the son of Lucilla played

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Speaker 1: by Connie Nilsen, the nephew of Commedis.

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Speaker 2: Who is the main part of this movie, he is

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Speaker 2: essentially commedist almost uses him as like a human shield.

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Speaker 2: Most times we see him brought out as if he's worried,

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Speaker 2: he wants to look good, but he doesn't really care

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Speaker 2: about him. But Lucias did grow up in this very

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Speaker 2: royal regal household, so I'm very interested to see how

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Speaker 2: they set it up where he ends up in a

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Speaker 2: similar situation. Because also something I want to say about

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Speaker 2: this movie that I do also love. I love Alexander Dumas,

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Speaker 2: and I love the Count of Montey Cristo, and this

478
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: is essentially a Count of Monty Cristo's story, revenge story.

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Speaker 2: It's like and also the idea that you can rise

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Speaker 2: up the ranks and hide your identity until you need

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Speaker 2: to reveal it and get your revenge, just very Count

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Speaker 2: of Monty Cristo.

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Speaker 1: Early superhero archetype.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so he's gonna be basically he loved Maximus

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Speaker 2: and now that's gonna be the person who's fighting his

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Speaker 2: way up through the trials. Jason, I got to ask

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Speaker 2: you an important question. Yes, does Paul Mescal have the juice?

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Speaker 1: We were gonna fuck, We're gonna find out, We're gonna

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Speaker 1: apparently they're saying that he has the juice. He's the juice.

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Speaker 1: Here's your top ten movies of the year two thousand.

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Speaker 1: Number one Mission Impossible Too, John wu.

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Speaker 2: Probably lots of slow mo.

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Speaker 1: Lots of SlowMo. Sadly one of the weakest. I think,

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Speaker 1: Oh it is.

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Speaker 2: It's a Vibes movie, and you can enjoy a Vibes movie,

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Speaker 2: but it's definitely not the high point of a very

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Speaker 2: very high point filled franchise.

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Speaker 1: That made half a billion dollar. Number two Gladiator. There

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Speaker 1: we are just under half a billion dollars. Number three Castaway,

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Speaker 1: Oh incredible Tour de fource by Tom Hanks, who's basically

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Speaker 1: in that movie alone.

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Speaker 2: That is another movie. I will say, even though it's

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Speaker 2: just him and his beach ball, his football, I should

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Speaker 2: say that is a dude's rock movie. Dudes love Costaway

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00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: and they love to see this dude just chill him

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Speaker 2: on his own on the Costaway Beach.

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Speaker 1: Number three What Women Want starring the terrible Awful Mel

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Speaker 1: Gibson and Helen Hunt. The Wonderful Helen Hunt, The Wonderful

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Speaker 1: Mersey Tome, in which mel Gibson can hear women's thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Creepy.

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Speaker 1: Next up, Dinosaur, Oh, Dinosaur DNA. We've never spoken about

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Speaker 1: Dinosaur the movie ever.

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Speaker 2: Ever. The only reason that it's still relevant to people

514
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: is it has a very terrifying ride in Animal Kingdom

515
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: that has traumatized many people, which I believe they're about

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Speaker 2: to take away. So good on Dinosaur. Who knew that

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Speaker 2: that was one of the top five biggest movies. I

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Speaker 2: would never have seen it coming.

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Speaker 1: Next Jim Carrey, Oh, how the Grinch Stole Christmas? Number six, the.

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00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: Loved Christmas movie. Still people love it to this day.

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Speaker 1: Number seven, and you forget what a huge smash this

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Speaker 1: was and the sequels that came from it. Meet the Parents,

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Speaker 1: Robert de Niro and Ben Stiller.

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Speaker 2: Dude, that was a time when a mid range comedy

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Speaker 2: could become a full quadrant success.

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Speaker 1: Yes, could be the number seven movie for the year. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Number eight The Perfect Storm, Oh my Gosh, starring a

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Speaker 1: Wahlberg and Clooney and about the fishing boat that goes

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Speaker 1: up the wave CG Wave, The CG Wave. I saw

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Speaker 1: it in the theater and I thought, what was what's

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Speaker 1: the fuss about?

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Speaker 2: What's the fuss about? It's just okay?

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Speaker 1: Number nine, Get this X Men. Number nine what imagine that?

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Speaker 2: What turn around for the books, especially because X Men

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00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: was still seen as a massive success.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and number ten rounding out the top ten,

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford, Michelle Pfeiffer, What Lies Beneath?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I love that movie. I love a good weird

539
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: eroic thrill.

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Speaker 1: I do like that movie as well.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what crazy year, and honestly Gladiates to be up there.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that people went to see it.

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00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Other notable films of that period Crashing Tiger, Oh Hidden,

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Speaker 1: Dragon Love.

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Speaker 2: It should have been on that Love that traffic, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Love It almost famous, bombed at the theater, but cleaned

547
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: up critically.

548
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: Became a full cult classic.

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00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Aaron Brockovich, Julia Roberts has come Back.

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Speaker 2: That's a truly groundbreaking movie for ha and also just

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00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 2: for like the waste in a mock perceived like a

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00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: true story movie. So that's huge.

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Speaker 1: And file this one under another movie that they don't

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Speaker 1: make any more, wonder Boys. Oh wow, the Curtis Hansen

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Speaker 1: Steve Cloves production. That's I think one. An Oscar for

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Speaker 1: Best Original Song, starring Michael Douglas and a young Tobey

557
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Speaker 1: Maguire has his kind of acolyte, who loves Michael Douglas,

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Speaker 1: who plays an author his writing. Next up, Rome Facts.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, and it's time for Rome Facts Room facts

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Speaker 4: in the omnip Facts about Rome.

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Speaker 2: This is what men love. They love a fact about

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Speaker 2: Jack And how often do you think about the Vermin

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Speaker 2: Empire a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking back at my I'm looking back at my

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Speaker 1: bookshelf right now. There's a recent book on the history

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Speaker 1: of Ravenna, which became the second capital of the Western

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Speaker 1: Roman Empire. There's a bunch of other stuff, the history

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Speaker 1: of Byzantine emperors. I think about it a bit as

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Speaker 1: a person who loves history.

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Speaker 2: You are history love.

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Speaker 1: I'm a history lover. So let's start at the very

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Speaker 1: beginning for Rome. You know what I love. I love

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Speaker 1: foundational myths.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and love a good man.

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Speaker 1: And Rome has a really cool foundational myth. They thought

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Speaker 1: of their history as like part legend and part history,

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Speaker 1: which is really cool. According to Roman foundational myth, one

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Speaker 1: day during the reign of the seventh and last King

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Speaker 1: of Rome, Tarquinis, tarquin Is the star Wars fans now

580
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Speaker 1: came before the king, and she had nine big books

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Speaker 1: of Greek oracular poetry, which she offered to the king

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Speaker 1: at like an insane price, like whatever, like the GDP

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Speaker 1: of Rome for a year like this was when Rome

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Speaker 1: was just like a middling kingdom, not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: But she offered it to them at like a price

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Speaker 1: that would bankrupt the kingdom. The King's like, no, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding? It's too much.

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Speaker 2: Get away, I don't need these books.

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Speaker 1: She goes off, burns three of the books, comes back

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Speaker 1: with six, and says, here's the six remaining books for

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Speaker 1: the original price. The king refused again, but this time

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Speaker 1: he was a little concerned.

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Speaker 2: He was stress.

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Speaker 1: He's like, hold on a second, Okay, I'm still gonna

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Speaker 1: decline it.

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Speaker 2: It seems like maybe something is important in these maybe

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Speaker 2: she goes off.

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Speaker 1: She burns three more books, comes back with the remaining three,

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Speaker 1: again offering at the original break the bank price. Now

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Speaker 1: the king, probably very anxiously, goes to the priests and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: what do we do about this? These books? Do we

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Speaker 1: need these books? The priests are absolutely alarmed that six

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Speaker 1: of the books have already been burned and says buy them.

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Speaker 1: Let over the price, buy them. So Tarkanis buys the books,

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Speaker 1: and they contained We actually don't know what the prophecies.

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Speaker 2: Were, how they the text didn't like survive, that's.

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Speaker 1: Right, But it's generally thought that the poems were in

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Speaker 1: hexamin or Greek verse, and then written in an acrostic

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Speaker 1: form where the first letter of each line read down

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Speaker 1: vertically down spelled the first line of the prophecy. And

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Speaker 1: these prophecies dealt with things like twins are born, or

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Speaker 1: a calf with two heads are born, or there's wildfires

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Speaker 1: a comet, and when Rome would face an emergency, they

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Speaker 1: would go down. These were kept in the temple of Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: We know they really existed because they were kept in

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Speaker 1: secrecy for hundreds of years, and only they were a

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Speaker 1: state secret, and they were referenced like when Rome really

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Speaker 1: needed them, so they would go down. The priests would

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Speaker 1: go down there and look up the thing in the

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Speaker 1: book and see what the prescription would be, and it

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Speaker 1: would be some sort of ritual that would offset disaster.

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Speaker 1: Now we again we know that they really existed. They

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Speaker 1: were kept under the temporal of Jupiter until they were

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Speaker 1: destroyed by a fire in a three BC. And this

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Speaker 1: tells you how valuable the Romans considered these books. They

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Speaker 1: then sent emissaries out all across the known world looking

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Speaker 1: for copies of the books, and one of the ways

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Speaker 1: they were able to kind of in their minds authenticate

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Speaker 1: like the real pages was if they were also acrostic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so they were prioritizing other acrostic poetry from books that

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Speaker 1: were similar, and they kind of reassembled the tone, but

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Speaker 1: that they were lost for good, like in the fifth

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Speaker 1: century sometime they were burned again. Wild, Let's talk about emperors.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of emperor talk. Let's go down the

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Speaker 1: line with the emperors.

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Speaker 2: If you've ever read like a history book or even

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Speaker 2: just Greek and Rahman myth. So you've watched the movie

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Speaker 2: with Elizabeth Taylor and Darren come up in Gladiate Away,

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Speaker 2: You're like, oh, I understand as a real history. That's

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Speaker 2: the hang out passed. So Jason tell us some emperor

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Speaker 2: fact Emperor facts.

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Speaker 1: We start with the first emperor ever, Augustus, the adopted

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Speaker 1: son of Julius Caesar. He ascended in twenty seven BC

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Speaker 1: and basically Rome was still used to the Senate playing

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Speaker 1: an important role in political life, and so Augustus slow

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Speaker 1: played it. He accrued power very gradually, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: put himself forward as an emperor. He basically said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a senator, but I'm like kind of the

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Speaker 1: best one. But I'm still part of the Senate.

650
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the chill guy, but I am in control.

651
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: That's right. He died of old age, and then his

652
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: adopted son Tiberius came in. This is fourteen eighty to

653
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Speaker 1: thirty seven eighty that he reigned. He was a general,

654
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: he was an abled diplomat. The Senate really didn't like

655
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: him for various reasons, and he spent his last years

656
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: basically in seclusion on his estate on the island of Capri.

657
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: If you read people who really hated him from that period,

658
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: he was doing all kinds of perverted in evil things

659
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: on the island of Capri. We don't know if that

660
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: was true, but he left romean control of his top

661
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: assistant during this time, and then he died.

662
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Speaker 2: I just want to say, as well, Augustus, shout out

663
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: to you, because it's very rare that you get to

664
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Speaker 2: live and die of old age in ancient Rome.

665
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: In this format. That's true.

666
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Julius Caesa stabbed obviously. I just want to say, I

667
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 2: think you did a good job of Augustus Tiberius, I

668
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: probably should have done a little bit more leading, a

669
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: little bit less chilling on your weird island.

670
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's a lot of Roman emperors,

671
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: some of which have been forgotten and some of which

672
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: are like recently discovered, like oh, here's a guy that

673
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: reigned for a little while. Anyway. Next up Caligula, son

674
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: of the famed Roman general Germanicus, who that was the

675
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: honorific name given to him. His name was like Gaius,

676
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: something like they all are, but he went to Germany

677
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: and had many great victories, and so they named in Germanicus.

678
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: His wife was Agrippina, Augustus's granddaughter as z Agrippina the elder,

679
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: So Coligilia is their son. And his name is actually

680
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: a nickname because his name also is like Gaya Caesar

681
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it meant little boots, and it's a

682
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: reference to the little soldiers boots kids size soldier's boots

683
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: that he would wear when he was on campaign with Dad.

684
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: The soldiers gave him this nickname and it stuck. He

685
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: went insane with power and was assassinated by an alliance.

686
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: Did the craziest, wildest stuff.

687
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: He just went mad, If.

688
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: You've never seen the movie Caligula, there was a recent

689
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: four K re released very good.

690
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Caligula tried to, according to a probably a Procerpal story,

691
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: tried to elevate his horse in status to senatorial ring.

692
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: I gotta say that's hilarious, though, thanks for the jokes

693
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: on that one. I mean, not sensible, but.

694
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: Hilarious praturing guards and other power players assassinated him and

695
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: proclaimed Claudius, yes, the next emperor. Claudius was sidelined. Watch

696
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: I Claudius for another great movie about this. Was sidelined

697
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: and underestimated for most of his life because he had

698
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: a lisp and a limp, and these physical disabilities basically

699
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: made him look weak in everybody's mind. This is probably

700
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: why he survived as long as he did. The Praetorian Guard,

701
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: according to legend, found him hiding behind a drape after

702
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: they killed Caligula, and as the last surviving member of

703
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: the Julia Claudian family, they immediately were like, okay him,

704
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Harry is the emperor and they proclaimed emperor, probably thinking

705
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: this guy's going to be very controllable. Claudius, it turned out,

706
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: was good at the job, but he had a lot

707
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: of enemies. The Senate was always on his ass, and

708
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: his wife Agrippina the Younger uh uh also somehow a

709
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: granddaughter of Augustus, who is one of the most influential

710
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: women of the age. Apparently, according to legend Lanny contemporarious sources,

711
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: allegedly poisoned him so that her son stepson Nero could

712
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: take over Nero. You probably know that, Pela.

713
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: That's why I was gonna say, you're getting into some

714
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: famous empress head. I feel like people will recognize you.

715
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: Probably know Nero. Nero gradually turned the empire against him

716
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: because he became insane and created an extreme personality cult

717
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: around himself.

718
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 2: Well, he is the one who was very famous that

719
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: when the Great Fire Room happened, they say he was

720
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: like playing a fiddle.

721
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: That's right. The Great Fire Rome happened on his watch,

722
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: burned a huge portion of the city. The fiddle, by

723
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: the way, was not invented during this time. Yeah, so

724
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: it was apar Yeah, but it gives you an idea

725
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: of how people viewed him, which is like this tyrant

726
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: who didn't care.

727
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: He was like a pan style like chaos mango.

728
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Eventually he turned everyone against him to such a

729
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: degree that the senate sentenced him to death, and everybody

730
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: abandoned him, and he realized the end was near, but

731
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: he didn't have the courage to take his own life,

732
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: so he ordered like his servant to kill him, and

733
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: they stabbed him, and then he bled out and died.

734
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: That led to the chaos known as the Year of

735
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: the Four Emperors from sixty eight to sixty nine, when

736
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: four different emperors reigned for a few months each. First

737
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: there was Galba, who's too old, too passive. He was

738
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: murdered by Atho. Then there was Atho, who committed suicide

739
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: after losing to Vitellius in battle. Then there was Vitellius,

740
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: whoigs executed by a Vespasian after getting into a war

741
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: with Vespasian. And then there was vespace And who ran

742
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: things for a while. Vespatian was a soldier. He was

743
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: one of these rags richest stories that kind of became

744
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: more common. He was a late comer to public life.

745
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of records of his time

746
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: as emperor. Reigned for ten years, but he's best known

747
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: for beginning the construction of the famed Colisseum of Room.

748
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: Then came his son Titus, He was ruler during the

749
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: eruption of Mauna Vesuvius, which you've probably seen on the

750
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: television series Loki.

751
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's definitely where I not from.

752
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is best known for finishing the Coliseum. You're

753
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: not only ruled for two years before dying at forty one.

754
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: I think a stroke or something I forget. Then came

755
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: to a mission, also Vespatian's son. He was like a

756
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: hardcore dictator and artocrat. He effectively sidelined the Senate, took

757
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: all of its traditional and at that point the accouterments

758
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: of their position that didn't really have any real power

759
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: but still were like culturally important. He stripped those things

760
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: away as well, and that led to his assassination by

761
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: a conspiracy of senators and other artificials.

762
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: So many assassinations, many many manuyes. This was a society

763
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: that loved an assassination, loved it.

764
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: There's no other way to get the person out. Then

765
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: came Nerva. This is the revenge of the Senate. So

766
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: after the Senate had its power stripped away, the Senate went, oh, yeah,

767
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: watch this, we proclaim this guy Emperor Nerva. Nerva then

768
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: dutifully promised to return to the Senate all of its

769
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: traditional stuff, its power, and its influence. He was forced

770
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: by the military, who did not trust him at all,

771
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: to adopt an air from the military who adopted Trajan

772
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: young general, who turned out to be his probably his

773
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: best decision, because when Nerva died of a stroke less

774
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: than two years later, Trajan ascended, and along with Nerva,

775
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Trajan became part of this era known as the Five

776
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: Good Emperors, when they got five solid emperors in a row,

777
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: who all except for Nerva, ruled for a long time.

778
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: So Trajan was considered by his contemporary and by historians

779
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: of the age to be the goat. Like this guy's

780
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: the greatest, Like oh, my god, Trajan. This is how

781
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: he used to say of emperors that followed Trajan. May

782
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: he be as lucky as Augustus and as good as Trajan.

783
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: Because Trajan was so good. W Trajan grew the empire

784
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: to its greatest geographical limit, and the Pax Romana, the

785
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: fame Pox Romana, which is probably something you learned in school, begins,

786
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: which is this piece of Rome that lasted like a

787
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: century plus. Then came Hadrian, Trajan's cousin basically said, okay,

788
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: enough with the expanding. We're huge, We're a huge empire.

789
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: Let's just defend these borders and solidify them. This gives

790
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: us Hadrian's wall in northern England famous wall.

791
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: I've been the legendary.

792
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: He was a very active ruler. He visited almost every

793
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Roman province except we think the ones in Spain and

794
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: then Dacia, which they had to give up and they

795
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: died after twenty years in office. Wow, He's got that

796
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: famous column which you can go see in Rome, which

797
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: has a bunch of his feats and famously shows the

798
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: sack of the Temple of Jerusalem. That gives Us Antoninus Pious,

799
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: Adrian's adopted son, husband to his niece Faustina. He was

800
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: an efficient ruler. He left the emperor rich. He died

801
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: after twenty two years in office. Everybody was happy. He

802
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: was succeeded by his adopted sons, Marcus Aurelius and Lucius

803
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: Verus as co emperors. Oh interesting, Lucius Verus dies after

804
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: nine years of co empering, and this allows Marcus Riis

805
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: to become the sole emperor. As we see in this film,

806
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius the last of the five good emperors. We

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: kind of forget about Lucius Verus as one of the

808
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: five good Emperors, and it's really about Marcus Aurelius. Of course,

809
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: we see him in Gladiator, the wonderful Richard Harris in

810
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: one of his final roles. He's just fantastic as Marcus.

811
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: And Marcus Relius was a student of philosophy of the

812
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: Greek school of Stoicism. He kept a journal of notes

813
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: to himself, kind of like advice about how to rule

814
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: and live wisely and honorably and with restraint, and these

815
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: became collective in a book called the Meditations Marcus Relis's Meditations,

816
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: and there's still people that follow his philosophy today. It

817
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: remains in circulation. He died after a very long ill illness,

818
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: probably of natural causes, but there was some speculation at

819
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: the time that he might have been killed by his

820
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 1: son Communists, and it was cyinar a pax romana after that,

821
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: because he was the last of.

822
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: The fires, was crazy.

823
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: He was crazy, and everybody after that was bad. So

824
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: then comes Communists. He was co emperor for three years

825
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: under his father, but then as his father died, he

826
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: became the sole ruler and immediately became paranoid, dictatorial, increasingly megamoniacal,

827
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: drunk on power of fame, he created a personality cult

828
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: around himself which basically said that he was like the

829
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: source of everything Roman. He was the epitome of pure Rome, and.

830
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: Everything that happened from Rome was from him.

831
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: All good things in Rome spraying from him. And this

832
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: culminated in a slate of games for the public, the

833
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: plebeing games during which in the mornings commonists would slay

834
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: animals with arrows, and in the afternoon he would fight

835
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: rigged gladiator man, which he always won.

836
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 2: Like we start in the movie.

837
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 1: That's all right, His mistress Marcia probably killed him with poison,

838
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: we think, after she discovered the communists had like a

839
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: death list at his desk, and.

840
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: Her name was on it, making like a death though,

841
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: and he was like putting my wife on the end.

842
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: Put her on it. When the poison didn't take, Marsha's

843
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: co conspirators sent Narcissus, the Emperor's wrestling coach, in to

844
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: kill him.

845
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: Oh, incredibly, he died that.

846
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: Way, General Maximus, he's not a real guy, not a

847
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: real guy. But let's talk about how long it would

848
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: have taken him to ride that horse from Germaania. Okay,

849
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: so according to what we know about Marcus Relius, historically

850
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: he died in Vindebona, Germania, which they mentioned in the

851
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: film several times. And you hear in that fight in

852
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: the arena one of the soldier who says, I fought

853
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: with you at Vinda Bona. That's that battle we see.

854
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 1: Vinda Bona is basically around modern day Vienna. And Maximus

855
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: says at one point, I am Maximus Meridith. And he

856
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: also tells Marcus that his home is in the hills

857
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: above Truchillo, and that early scene, which is about fifty

858
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: five kilometers about an hour driving distance from Mereda in Spain.

859
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: So assuming that the farm homestead is like somewhere in

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Speaker 1: that area Truhuilo Mereda, that's about a twenty six hour

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Speaker 1: drive by car or a six day bike ride according

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Speaker 1: to Google a map. So if we say that a

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Speaker 1: bike is about the same as riding a horse, which

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Speaker 1: gets tired, and we can say that Maximus was going

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Speaker 1: with great haste. So let's say I don't know four

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Speaker 1: or five days, I'm sure the horse died right after this, I.

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Speaker 2: Would say that the horse is definitely dying. I would

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Speaker 2: say maybe closer to a week because I don't know

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Speaker 2: if the horse could keep it going at high speed

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Speaker 2: the whole.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. The course, I guess we could

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Speaker 1: assume like he stole horses. Whatever the case.

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Speaker 2: Multiple it was dated several days time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Vienna to Spain. That's a long time last Gladator fact. Wow,

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Speaker 1: as we get ready for Gladiator two, thank you famously,

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Speaker 1: Now you're talking about stuff I know about. Yes famously

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Speaker 1: made script famously. Australian rock musician Nick Cave, best known

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Speaker 1: for his group Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, mentioned

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Speaker 1: on the Mark Marin podcast back in twenty thirteen that, apparently,

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Speaker 1: at the personal request of his countryman Russell Crowe, he

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Speaker 1: wrote a spec script for Gladiator two titled Gladiator two

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Speaker 1: Gladiator two.

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Speaker 2: Christ Killer Yes, and it would have focused on I'm

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Speaker 2: obsessed with this script. I've actually read some versions that

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Speaker 2: are online of this script. It is based on the

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Speaker 2: idea that Maximus would have to like fight his way

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Speaker 2: out of hell, yes, to find a space where he

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Speaker 2: could then kill like a god. And it's because he

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Speaker 2: has to get his family out of hell or something

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Speaker 2: I think was the general like.

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Speaker 1: Well, what happens is apparently what he says in this interview,

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Speaker 1: is that the old gods are impressed with Maximus's death

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Speaker 1: and the way he took on power, and so they go, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're the guy that we have hand picked for a

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Speaker 1: mission that we have specifically for you. You will return

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Speaker 1: to life, you will fight your way out of hell,

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Speaker 1: take over the body of apparently an old man, and

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Speaker 1: then go and kill this guy named Hephestos, who is

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Speaker 1: apparently like a messiah like christ like figure who the

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Speaker 1: old guys were very threatened by, and they wanted Maximus

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Speaker 1: to go kill that guy.

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Speaker 2: And so that's so good.

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Speaker 1: What a crazy story.

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you something, guys, that's even crazier, right.

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Speaker 2: I actually thought that was the version of Gladiata two

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Speaker 2: we were getting until the trailer came out. It has

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Speaker 2: been such a big part of my life, this insane,

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Speaker 2: unmade gladiat sequel. I thought, well, why would they make

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Speaker 2: any other version? Now I will say something that makes

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Speaker 2: it a little bit less crazy, And if you haven't

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Speaker 2: seen this movie, go watch it. Nick Cave is actually

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Speaker 2: a fantastic film writer. In two thousand and five, he

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Speaker 2: wrote this movie called The Proposition with Guy Piss and

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Speaker 2: Ray Winston and Danny Houston, and it's about a guy

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Speaker 2: who is a notorious outlaw and he gets caught by

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Speaker 2: a law man and they say, okay, we'll let you

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Speaker 2: go if you go and find your brother and kill

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Speaker 2: him because he is a really bad guy. And if

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Speaker 2: you don't do it, we'll execute your younger brother. And

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Speaker 2: it is so interesting. It's such a weird Western. I

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Speaker 2: used to watch it all the time. But yeah, Nick Cave,

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Speaker 2: He's written interesting, weird, dark films, so I definitely thought

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Speaker 2: there was a world where somebody would want to make

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Speaker 2: Gladiator to Christ Killer. Alas that is not the movie.

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Speaker 2: We're getting there. I have to say, at this point

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Speaker 2: in Russell Crowe's career, I believe he would be in

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Speaker 2: that movie. Have you seen The Pope's Exorcist? I believe

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Speaker 2: Russell Crowe would fight his way out of hell in

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Speaker 2: the gladiat But yeah, Jason, thank you for this incredible

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Speaker 2: ride through Roman history.

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Speaker 1: Well thank you, And on the next couple of episodes

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Speaker 1: of Export Vision, we're diving into our Kane season two,

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Speaker 1: Act two and doing prophecy on HBO Max. That's it

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Speaker 1: through this episode. Thanks for listening, folks. Bite x Ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Kencepcion and Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are

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Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a

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Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and Mia Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Laude, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 2: and Heidi A disco moderata