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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and today we

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Speaker 1: have a legendary guest at twenty nineteen Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame inductee, one of the most dynamic and dominant

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Speaker 1: football players to ever play in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen seasons of domination at the cornerback position, twelve Pro Bowlers,

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Speaker 1: twelve Pro Bowls, seven All Pros, and a member of

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Speaker 1: the two thousands All Decade Team champ. Appreciate you joining me, brother.

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Speaker 2: Hey Man. Good to be in the presence of greatness. Man,

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Speaker 2: how you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm great. I'm great. I got you on

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm feeling good. It's a beautiful day for me,

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Speaker 1: so much great football to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it, man.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to it. So we'll start it. We'll start

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Speaker 1: it with what was your welcome to the league? Bumbit?

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Speaker 1: Because I think people forget, you know, as great as

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Speaker 1: you are and as great as players are, everybody has

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Speaker 1: them that introduced him to the National Football League, where

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, they're real out here. You know.

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Speaker 3: The older I get, the more it becomes a season

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Speaker 3: instead of just one moment. It was more like Okay,

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Speaker 3: my whole rookie season. If I look at that body

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Speaker 3: of work and who I had to deal with, I

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Speaker 3: had to deal with some dogs. First game in my career,

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Speaker 3: Michael Irvin got it. Now, I haven't done anything in

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Speaker 3: the league at this point. Dal Green was the man

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Speaker 3: you know, on the Redskins at the time, and they

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Speaker 3: gave me the assignment, and I'm like, damn, okay. And

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Speaker 3: it was more about our size, right, I was bigger,

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Speaker 3: he was bigger. And now, look, Michael Irvin would do

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Speaker 3: this thing. Now he was good, really good. But now

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Speaker 3: if you know, he wasn't that fast, but he was

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Speaker 3: deceptive and he was strong, great blocker. And speaking of blocking,

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Speaker 3: he would do this thing where he would come off

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Speaker 3: the ball and just head butt you. So I think

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Speaker 3: back then, I'm seeing stars that ain't no concussion. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's just part of the game. So I had to

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Speaker 3: deal with that. So that was a welcome to the

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Speaker 3: league moment. Later in that year, I had Eric Moles.

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Speaker 3: Now a lot of people forget about Eric Moles, but

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Speaker 3: I always have to remind people, Man, this dude was

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Speaker 3: a straight dog country boy, stronger than odds, and I'll

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Speaker 3: never forget I don't know if he was mad at

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Speaker 3: me or what, but I locked up with him on

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Speaker 3: a run.

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Speaker 2: Play man.

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Speaker 3: That dude had me over that past the gatorade, like

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Speaker 3: I no, and I never The main thing I remember

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Speaker 3: about it is I tweaked my shoulder and that's really

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Speaker 3: what made me kind of go limp, and he just

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Speaker 3: took advantage of it. But man, my shoulder has not

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Speaker 3: been the same since. You gonna think that's rookie year.

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Speaker 3: And there was another moment earlier in the year where

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Speaker 3: I chased down somebody on a damn kick off return.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick off. I chased somebody down and then

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Speaker 2: we're we're at the Meadowlands.

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Speaker 3: And this was when they had that astral turf like

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Speaker 3: that that carpet and I and I stripped the ball,

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Speaker 3: Paul popped out. I stuck my other arm on his

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Speaker 3: waisted tackling, and boy, I drugged my arm on that turf,

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Speaker 3: and I just had rug burns like and you already know, man,

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Speaker 3: And it was in my like in my elbow, like

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Speaker 3: it was all in here. So every time I stretch

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Speaker 3: it out, oh my god. It was the worst. But anyway, man,

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Speaker 3: it's always a collection of moments, you know, I got

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Speaker 3: I gotta say I thought I was somebody, and then

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Speaker 3: you hit that rookie wall, and then you know, we

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Speaker 3: went on this little playoff. Well, we went on this

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Speaker 3: division last game of the year against the forty nine ers. Man,

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Speaker 3: it was that was the only time I went to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs as a Redskin. But I'll never forget it

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Speaker 3: because it was an up and down season. Man, So

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Speaker 3: them boys taught me some lessons.

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Speaker 1: That right, That's that's exactly how rookie years go. I

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Speaker 1: remember I didn't start until the sixth game of the season,

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Speaker 1: and it was really because everybody else got hurt. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't because you know, I was I was a fifth

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Speaker 1: round draft pick, and everybody in front of me just

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Speaker 1: went down, dropped back flies, paying bang bang, And they

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Speaker 1: threw me in there against Cleveland and I'm wet behind

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Speaker 1: the ears. I'm just out there like hey, I'm pressing,

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Speaker 1: putting my hands on everybody, and I'm just gonna survive

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Speaker 1: and tackle everything moving. And I just remember, like even

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Speaker 1: the guys you don't even think about, like the fans,

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Speaker 1: I can't say we don't think I was good because

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Speaker 1: everybody in the National Football League is good, but the

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Speaker 1: don't know them as big names, household names. Every receiver

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League has something dynamic about them.

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Speaker 1: There's something, there's a reason there there, and there's something

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Speaker 1: that's gonna give you trumple So my rookie year, I

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Speaker 1: just remember having so much respect for everybody at the

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Speaker 2: Like everyone, Oh yeah, everybody's good.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, got it that you see on tape blocking all

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Speaker 3: the time. He wrote you up. They give him something.

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Speaker 3: Don't sleep but you can't sleep on anybody.

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Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody. But but like we were talking about earlier,

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Speaker 1: the game has so so evolved so much. Who's your

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Speaker 1: favorite dB in the league right now? Obviously you watching

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Speaker 1: pretty closely, and certain Is is still the top of

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Speaker 1: the class. I mean, Christian Gonzales put on the show

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: But those are the two right there, right and certain Is,

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Speaker 3: you know, hands down the best.

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Speaker 2: He's it's really his body of work.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's obviously good right now, but he's done

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Speaker 3: it for four or five years now, so to see

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Speaker 3: him be so consistent, and I mean, it's been amazing

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Speaker 3: to watch because I never see him. I never see

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Speaker 3: like we all had our moments with guys are just

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Speaker 3: I doing this dude? He really he really handles his

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Speaker 3: went to the Patriots. When he got drafted. I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I don't really know this guy, but I like his side.

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Speaker 3: I like the way he moves, you know. Then he

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Speaker 3: run and I really got to watch him. I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this kid could play, and I just like the fact

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Speaker 3: that he makes plays. But he's hungry enough to want

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Speaker 3: he consistent, been doing it for a while. Aj Terrell,

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Speaker 3: I'm here in Atlanta, so I get to see him

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Speaker 3: a lot. So these dudes here, they're fighters. To me,

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Speaker 2: I love to watch them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. It's been so much kind conversation about

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Speaker 1: the shadowing, the receiver and following and all that, and

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Speaker 1: me my just due because they're like, oh, you didn't

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Speaker 1: I do what the coach tell me to do. If

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Speaker 1: go get. They tell me that way, it's covered, that's

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Speaker 1: what I play. I go to the coordinator to be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: can we play Man every place? Or they'll stop talking.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, you know, And I was one of

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Speaker 2: I wish they would let him match up.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's way because because to me, matching up

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Speaker 3: one thing. So it gives you the opportunity to display

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Speaker 3: your talents. And I never forget you matched up on

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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, this is it.

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Speaker 3: And for some reason, I'm watching this game, like by

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Speaker 3: the time I retired, you know, I catch games here

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Speaker 3: and there, you know, but I watched that game and

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, And I knew Antonio Brown

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Speaker 3: was like, this's gonna be a challenge for him, you know,

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Speaker 3: just once I noticed it and you held your own,

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Speaker 3: and you know, you got to think that dude was

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Speaker 1: Game that I think he had eighteen nineteen hundred that year.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was. He was doing it.

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Speaker 3: So every week you see that, you expect that to

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Speaker 2: You held it down. I give you a lot of

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Speaker 2: props for that one.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But that was the thing about the

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Speaker 1: whole deal, because when you played, they would let you

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Speaker 1: following You guys just run cover one the whole time.

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Speaker 1: It's like, nobody play cover one when they call it.

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Speaker 1: But you don't just play man, just because I travel

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Speaker 1: over there with you, No mean I'm in man to

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Speaker 1: man and at times it's it's a coverage identifier. It

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Speaker 1: exposes a defense if we do. Every time I move

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Speaker 2: Yes, And that's what I'm saying about.

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Speaker 3: How you can, you know, show how versatile you are,

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Speaker 3: because you can't just play one side match up with

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Speaker 3: got to know everything. And that's one thing I always

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Speaker 3: prided myself on. I want to know every position in

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Speaker 3: I'm inside, I want to know what the nickel has

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Speaker 3: to do because I know we can't play man the

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Speaker 3: whole time. So if that's going to discourage you from

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Speaker 3: calling a zone play when I'm inside, then that's don't

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Speaker 3: mess up the whole game plan. So I gotta be versatile.

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Speaker 3: And I was just lucky enough that I always played

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Speaker 3: with coaches that allowed me to do it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was a few I had to kind of talk

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Speaker 3: had established my reputation at that time. But I came

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Speaker 3: out the gate Michael Irving buddy, Like, Okay, I just

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Speaker 3: took that challenge, man.

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Speaker 1: Right, I took it every time they called on it.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was a couple of times they called

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Speaker 1: me to do it with Julio Ajay. Yeah, Antonio. They

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Speaker 1: a lot of times in twenty thirteen, the year we

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Speaker 1: went to the Super Bowl. They would call it for

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Speaker 1: specific games, like we had An Kwan one year, and

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Speaker 1: it just made sense, like I'm I'm following a Quan,

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Speaker 1: I'm in the slide, I'm outside third down. They going

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Speaker 1: to him. That's where I'm gonna be Like me and

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Speaker 1: a Kuan. Let's let's let's dance. And Kuan was one

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Speaker 1: of the ones too that nobody gives no credit to.

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Speaker 1: I'm a straight, straight dog. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I never had to deal with him much because when

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Speaker 1: I was telling I was telling Terry on Arnold Insertain

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, John has a family. I mean whatever, Bro,

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Never, it's impossible. It be damned too hard. You be

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Speaker 1: But if every time an offense has a big player

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's some conspiracy or anything going on,

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Speaker 2: It's not fixed.

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Speaker 3: Now you see things happen and you wonder, but again,

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Speaker 2: Right all the time.

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Speaker 3: I just always felt like there needs to be more

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Speaker 3: I don't if I said that. I don't remember saying

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad that I'm the guy that he's

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Speaker 1: But when you don't practice, I remember, I had a

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Speaker 1: feels like it's starting to slip.

436
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,720
Speaker 2: It's inevitable, bro, It's inevitable.

437
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 1: It is. It is the game. The game is evolving

438
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 1: so much. And I remember watching you and and and

439
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,679
Speaker 1: Dion and Charles and and all the great dbs that

440
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,280
Speaker 1: came before, and watching y'all study the game and manipulate

441
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: the game and bake quarterbacks and take the football away

442
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: and the way that y'all did, And I remember like, oh, man,

443
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get to the league and study.

444
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: I took so many nuggets from the things you guys

445
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 1: said in interviews and the things you guys did on

446
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: the field and the things you the way you played,

447
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,479
Speaker 1: and I tried to put them into my game. But

448
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 1: then the game changed. Then the game changed. Then they

449
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: now they're protecting quarterbacks. Now, quarterbacks aren't aren't putting the

450
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: football up the way they used to. Now the routes

451
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: aren't the same. Now the game has evolved so much.

452
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 1: Talk about the game and how you see it now

453
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: compared to when you play.

454
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, like I said, man, the quarterbacks are a

455
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 3: lot smarter.

456
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:08,919
Speaker 2: They are highly protected.

457
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean that is the prize on the field, so

458
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 3: to speak, Like, yeah, they have their moments when they're

459
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: not playing great, but quarterbacks quickly fix those issues. Now

460
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 3: I can contribute a lot of things to them understanding

461
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 3: the game better a lot sooner, you know, there's more information.

462
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 2: You know, there's.

463
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks playing seven on seven at eight nine years old,

464
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 3: Like nobody really knew like who the quarterbacks.

465
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: Were when we were growing up.

466
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: It was more yeah he could sling it, but you

467
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 3: don't really notice that till like high school. Right then

468
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: you start, you know, people start watching you and now

469
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 3: you're developing. Man, they got quarterback coaches coming out the womb.

470
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 3: So it's one of those things. But you know, I

471
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 3: think the reason, you know, we made so many plays

472
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 3: back in the day compared to now is I just

473
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 3: feel like we had more versatility And it wasn't just

474
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: me myself, Charles Woodson, the bigger names.

475
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: I mean, you can think of a lot of guys that.

476
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 3: Are aren't in the Hall of Fame that used to

477
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: make play dre BLYI I mean Aaron Glenn, I mean

478
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 3: t Buck, Like these dudes were ballers, made a lot

479
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: of plays, right because I feel like they were more

480
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 3: rail rounded athletes as well, as the game was a

481
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: little different. You know, quarterbacks, you know, were running play action.

482
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 3: They trying to get the ball down the field. We're

483
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 3: picking it off quick game. It was easier to see.

484
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: So the game is a little more complex, was a

485
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 3: little more complex. It's a little more complex now than

486
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: it was back then. But I feel like the athletes

487
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 3: that played corner, like I didn't play corner until really

488
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: til I got to college. I didn't play corner until

489
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: I got to college. Even then, I didn't have a

490
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 3: coach teaching me technique. It was a technique that he

491
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 3: wanted for that defense, but it didn't translate to the NFL. Yeah,

492
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,120
Speaker 3: I learned corner by that by sitting under Dale Green

493
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: and having him pulled me to the side. That's who

494
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 3: taught me really how to play corner. And you got

495
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: to think we had balls skills. I was playing offense.

496
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: I mean, Dia same thing. He played quarterback in high school,

497
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 3: and so did I. Dale Green just well rounded track athlete,

498
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: just one of those. Like so when you think about

499
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 3: all the different, you know, athletes that played corner, we

500
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 3: all did something else before we ever got outside the numbers,

501
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: Like it was just I felt like when you pull

502
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: that out, like when guys just start because all these corners,

503
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: like my son just went to this under armour camp

504
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: the other day. All these dudes been specializing in corner

505
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: since probably middle school, and I'm like, well, you can't

506
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: just be that, like, continue to work on your hands,

507
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 3: continue to understand the game from both sides, like, don't

508
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: just be one dimensional. So I often feel the game

509
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: has changed, but also the way corners approach the game

510
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: has changed as well.

511
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 1: I can agree with that. I think that was one

512
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: of my biggest assets, is playing receiver and recognizing and

513
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: understanding the route concepts, the combinations, knowing the West Coast

514
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: and how it's like foundationally, like what the what the

515
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: offense is thinking in these situations third and five, Hey

516
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: and a bunch, Like this is the quarterbacks progression. He's

517
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: going this hook, this snack route to the flat. If

518
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: you pull out and that corner sits on that, he

519
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: going to the seven. If you go back, he's going

520
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: to the flat. If he has man, he's going to

521
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: the front side to the to the ram concept, whereas

522
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: there's to sit and the drag. And I think that

523
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 1: helped me so much because, like you said, you you

524
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: didn't play till college. I didn't play U till I

525
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: was junior. I didn't play corner until I was a

526
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: junior in college, and nobody really taught me how to play.

527
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: So I just kind of use my knowledge of offense

528
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: to like put me in positions. But my pedal wasn't

529
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: great because I was never like a true like corner corner,

530
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, so I couldn't really like I'm six three

531
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: with big feet, I'm not about to sit in this

532
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: pedal and be able to transition the way a six

533
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: foot five eleven corner is gonna be able to who's

534
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: play corner for the last ten years is gonna be

535
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: able to transition. But I want to get to the

536
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: same spots, So I would I would maneuver my body

537
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: in a way that I could put myself in position

538
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: to almost be a receiver at corner, Like hey, I'm

539
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: gonna put my body in a position where I'm about

540
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: to run this route for him, like I'm just gonna

541
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: bang get out of this break and then go get

542
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: the ball, because that's the way I can still get

543
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: it covered. And I think that's another reason why my

544
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: game is a little more unorthodox to people, and it

545
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: didn't just look right on tape to people because they're like, man,

546
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: I want to see, like certain is the most beautiful

547
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: tape you gonna see. That boy's pure that if you

548
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: put him in nineteen seventy or put him in twenty

549
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: fifty seven, like the most pure tape you're gonna see

550
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: at corner.

551
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what I try to tell people too, is

552
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: there is no blueprint on how to play the cornerback position,

553
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: Like everybody has to make it their own. Like what

554
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: what you were good at, I probably wouldn't be as

555
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: good at. So you know, it's one of those It's

556
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: one of those positions where.

557
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: You almost like, this is what Daryl Green did to me.

558
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: He watched me practice I want to say, about a

559
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 3: week or two, and our coach would just tell us

560
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: to go over there and just talk and just you know,

561
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: just talk about stuff, go go through stuff. So he

562
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: the reason he watched me because he wanted to know

563
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: what how to teach me basically, like what what is

564
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: going to resonate with him to his game his length

565
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: because we were totally different body types. So he knew

566
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: that with my long arms it be it'd be beneficial

567
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: if I get my hands on people.

568
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: He was never that guy.

569
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: He was.

570
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: He was a guy that's gonna stay in your hip pocket,

571
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: stay on top of you. You can't run by him.

572
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: He's that guy. So he took that part of my game,

573
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 3: of of his game, and inserted into my game. So

574
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: that's when I learned, like understanding that hands are great

575
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: feet of better, Like if you start with your feet,

576
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: then your hands will come. So but he didn't know

577
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: that until he really watched me. He could have went

578
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: up there and tried to teach me how he knows it,

579
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: but that doesn't relate to me. Like, so every corner

580
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: got to figure out what works for them.

581
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: There is no book. Now, there's some things that are constant.

582
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: Your feet, your footwork that's always going to be important,

583
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: like how you move in your body position. I can't

584
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: teach you how to make picks, like you know, I'll

585
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: get you to the point where you're probably in position.

586
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 3: But when it's time to make me play on that ball,

587
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: that's you.

588
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: That's the moment of truth.

589
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: That's the moment of truth for sure. Like you either

590
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 3: make the player you don't. I don't care if you're

591
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 3: in a position, can you make the play? And that's

592
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 3: what you know, bottam blah.

593
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Right. Thinking back to your days at Folkston and Georgia,

594
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: when did it hit you that you were you were?

595
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: You were better than most of the people around you.

596
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, that you were the ones.

597
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm a running back at heart, Like I played running

598
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: back all through high school, even in you know, my well,

599
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 3: I played quarterback, but we were more like a running

600
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 3: back at quarterback.

601
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: We didn't throw the ball.

602
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: So my first carried in my life sixty yard touchdown.

603
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: That's when I knew.

604
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: Seriously, hey, first touch sixty yards and I just really

605
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 3: I was always faster. I had an older brother three

606
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: years older. I was always faster than everybody, and I

607
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 3: saw my brother do it, so everything he did I

608
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: kind of wanted to do too. So I had that

609
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: impression upon me, you know, in my house, like he

610
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: inspired me to want to get out there.

611
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: But I also knew I was fast. I could run.

612
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: I wasn't the fastest, but I was one of the fastest.

613
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: But I was also tough, like so once I got

614
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 3: out there, man, and I just it was it was inevitable,

615
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: Like everybody just knew like, oh yeah, and then from

616
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: then on, when I was eight, I was probably the

617
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: most talked about athlete in my town all the way

618
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: through high school for the next eleven years, that's all

619
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: people talking to when dude, it was that's exactly. But

620
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 3: we were a football town, Like I'm talking about three

621
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: thousand people. You know, it's a very small town, so

622
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: everybody knows everybody and beneficial to me. That sort of

623
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: insulated me, like people protected me. So when I was

624
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: in the streets, it was, you know, I still found

625
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: ways to get in trouble, but at the same time,

626
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't.

627
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: Too harsh because people fought for me. So you know.

628
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: So when I think back to that time, it's like, man,

629
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: I had the path laid out for me, but I

630
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: had to see my brother do it first. I think

631
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 3: if my brother didn't do it, I wouldn't be I

632
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be where I am now.

633
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: Like he kind of pulled me up, like pulled me up.

634
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 3: I was never going to be as fast as strong

635
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: as him until I became an adult.

636
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: We went to college together and started together all.

637
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: That, but still it wasn't until that point that I

638
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: knew I was bigger faster and stronger, and I had

639
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: a better a higher ceiling than he did. But again

640
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: I always put him on that pedestale because I mean

641
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: without him, I wasn't going nowhere.

642
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: That's crazy because I feel the same way about my brother,

643
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: and he's three years above me. Like everything he did,

644
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be a little bit better at

645
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: what he did. Like I found myself. I wore the

646
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: number four because number four respectfully, like he was doing track.

647
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: We never ran track in our lives. He started doing

648
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: long jumping, triple jump. I get to call I mean

649
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: high school. I'm like, I'm about to break his long

650
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: jump records, triple jump record. I just whatever he wanted

651
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: to do. That's what I'm what I'm on. That's funny.

652
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: That's funny. When you were when you think about yourself

653
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: in your absolute prime and you you at the top

654
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: of your game, is there a certain game or play.

655
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you got that hundred yard pick six against

656
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: the Patriots that that's one of those plays that I

657
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: want to ask you. That's Ben Watson's claim the fame.

658
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: But is there a play that sticks out in your

659
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: mind as like our game where you, like, man, I

660
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: was just in that zone. It just everything went right.

661
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: There, probably against Arizona.

662
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: It was just a game.

663
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: Man.

664
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: It felt like I was out there floating, like it

665
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: was just I just knew everything that was coming. I

666
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: think I had had two picks in that game. It

667
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: was maybe my first or second year in Denver. That

668
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: was just hot, like everything was sticking to me.

669
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: Ball come my way down. Pick. Yeah, it was either

670
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: ten or the eight.

671
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: It was back to back seasons, so it was either

672
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: five or six it was. I can't remember what year

673
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: it was, but I just remember that game because I

674
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: stole a pick from John Lynch. H I mean, I'm

675
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: I wasn't even supposed to be there and balls selling.

676
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: I think it was Matt Lioner or somebody throwing the ball,

677
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: I can't remember, and I just jumped up on it.

678
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Lynches right there and he just he was so mad.

679
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: But it was just one of them.

680
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: I picked a slant right in front of An Kwan

681
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: like it was just one of those games. Man. I

682
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: just I was on fire, and that's there was a

683
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: few games like that. We played the Saints once and

684
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: Drew Brees let us up for about four to sixty.

685
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: I'll never forget because it was just bombs away. But

686
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: he didn't do anything against me. And I always knew

687
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: that when I played Drew Brees, he wasn't gonna try me.

688
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: He was just one of those like he is just

689
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: not going there, and he did not go there the

690
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: whole He threw one ball at me and I broke

691
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: it up and he never came back the rest of

692
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: the day.

693
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: But he ate us, He ate everybody else, So he

694
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: was killing us that day.

695
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: But we still won the game nevertheless, Right, But it

696
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: was just just moments. I'm sure there's more games, but

697
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: that those two seasons though, oh my god, like it

698
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 3: was just it wasn't easy, but it wasn't I made

699
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 3: it look easy.

700
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: I love that. That's how that's probably my twelve and

701
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: thirteen when because you had eighteen of those two, I

702
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: had sixteen. I had eight and eighty back to back,

703
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: and it just everything that you touched her in the gold.

704
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I remember, I think I had a month where I

705
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: had six, like a November where I just I had

706
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: two picks, two picks, two picks. I was like, y'all

707
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: better stop playing with me. I figured it out.

708
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was you know, there was one

709
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: damn dog. Now you reminded me of stuff. There was

710
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: one stat where I had like five straight picks in

711
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: the red zone or something. Oh no, it was five

712
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: straight games with a pick to start the season, and

713
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: then I had like five in the red zone or something.

714
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: It was just weird, like that's never been done or something.

715
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, you know really, you know, I'm just

716
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: out there playing ball, Like I had no idea, but

717
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 3: I just felt like so on top of my game,

718
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: like you just couldn't fool me with anything. And you know,

719
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: I had Shanahan at the time, and he was just

720
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 3: a players coach, like really laid back but intense at

721
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: the same time, all about practice. So he favored everything

722
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: that I was good at practice, you know, being on time,

723
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 3: good teammate, you know, not very vocally, but a leader,

724
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: you know, like it's he he was. He was by

725
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: far my favorite coach because of how he allowed me

726
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: to be me.

727
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: Kyle. Kyle is very similar. Everything just got you. Yeah. Yeah.

728
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: We went to the Super Bowl in nineteen and I

729
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: had an all Pro season that season, and that was

730
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: that was late in the career after the achilles after

731
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: I tore my achilles and you talk about having a

732
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: gesture game, like after you look, I would I was five.

733
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: I don't know how you did that. I don't know

734
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: how you did that. I'm just like, oh, he's done.

735
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: What Achilles at corner.

736
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: I gotta give you a lot of credit for even

737
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: trying to come back.

738
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: God, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It was it

739
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: was tough. It was tough, but it was just all

740
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: mental at that point, Like it was all like you

741
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: talk about knowing what's going on in front of you,

742
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: knowing what's coming, knowing where I could put myself in

743
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: positions I can be in, knowing stuff I can't get.

744
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: Look if he stutter his feet right here and it

745
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: ain't a curl. If I break, I'm done. So look,

746
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I know that feeling. You got one, lad, you got one.

747
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: Guess you either gonna go deep or you stopping here.

748
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: It's not one of the other, it's not both. I'm

749
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: not from top. I know that feeling, man, I know

750
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: that feeling. That's how it was when I hurt my

751
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: foot and I came back.

752
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: I never get that first game I tried to come back,

753
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: I was like, oh no, I don't feel it like

754
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: I felt good working out during the week and I

755
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: tried to come back. Man, I missed two more games

756
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 3: after that. I was like, I'm not trying to step

757
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: on that field till my mind is right, Like I

758
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 3: have no confidence in my foot.

759
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: That shit is. It's crippling as a as a player

760
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: when you know your body can move a certain way

761
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: when you when you out there disabled and you ain't

762
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: got the explosiveness and the things that are usually at

763
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: your at your discretion.

764
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: Boy, Nah, it's nothing like when you get old and

765
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 3: then you get hurt, and then it's already bad enough

766
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: because I'm older now now I got to try to

767
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: fight through this injury. Man, that shit, it just hurts

768
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: your mind, Like how do I trick myself into being ready? Like,

769
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: I mean, think about it the year y'all want a

770
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: Super Bowl when y'all beat us, Dude.

771
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: I didn't feel it at the time.

772
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: But when I reflect on that game, that was the

773
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: last game of my career. But when I reflect on

774
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: that game, I was like I should not have been

775
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: out there, Like I shouldn't been starting.

776
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: Well, I probably could have played twenty snaps.

777
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: But not fifty.

778
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: Like there was no one like what am.

779
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: I doing, but the competitor in you.

780
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would never be real with myself because I

781
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 3: just not at the time, like now, I was like yeah,

782
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 3: But at the time, I'm just thinking like, yeah, I'm

783
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: pushing through this, this is I feel good. I'm hell no,

784
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 3: what am I doing? Chris Harris got hurt, it was over.

785
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, damn. At the moment, I was like, damn, damn,

786
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 3: I can't damn. Chris got hurt at the wrong time

787
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 3: because it was the playoff game before the championship game,

788
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, here am back in

789
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: the starting lineup. I'm like, man, I'm not equipped for

790
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 3: sixty plays anymore. It's just not me. Like twenty plays.

791
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: I got you, But no, I should not have been starting.

792
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: But you don't have it in you to quit. You

793
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: don't have it in you to say no.

794
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: It's and that's that's the good and the bad of it, right, Like,

795
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: you know, that's the reason I was who I was.

796
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: But man, you know people often asked, do I am

797
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: I mad? I never moved to safety. I'm like, not really,

798
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: because there's only a lot of a few of us

799
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 3: that can say we only did corner you know, it's

800
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: only a few, and I'm like, I'm one of them,

801
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna I'm gonna be prideful about that.

802
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: And Darn Green's very good at reminding everybody. Yo, Yeah,

803
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: y'all suckers went and played safety.

804
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: You know, It's just one of them things we get

805
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: jab at the guys that prolonged their career by moving

806
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: like and I get it, like I saw D'Angelo Hall

807
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: do it.

808
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Charles Woolson did it the best.

809
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's I wanted to do it, but I

810
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: just never did. Nobody put it in front of me,

811
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: nobody said it, and I never lobby before it.

812
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: So but I still think that's the reason the Woodson's

813
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: don't get. They just do at corner. I think that's

814
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: the biggest reason people don't give like when they say

815
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: the best corner to ever play. They you know, they

816
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: talk about you, they talk about Prime, they talk about

817
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, all these guys. But Charles Woodson and Darrel Would,

818
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: I mean and Rod Woodson were in that conversation, but

819
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: they moved to safety and got so many picks and

820
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: became almost known for that kind of versatility that people

821
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: are like, oh, they just DB's they not just corners,

822
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay.

823
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: Here's my take on the young Woodson, Charles Woodson, and

824
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: you I would say Rod Woodson is right behind him.

825
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 3: Charles Woodson is the best d d's who ever played

826
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: the game. Like when you talk about top to bottom,

827
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 3: what it takes, tackling, taking the ball away, man, the man,

828
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: he did all that at a high cliff. I don't

829
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: care if he played safety, like, but when you talk

830
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: about his body of work and what he did, what did.

831
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: He played eighteen seasons? I mean the dude.

832
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean he started his career. I think he was

833
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: in a holdout and I think he got hurt his

834
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: rookie year or something, maybe a second year somewhere down

835
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: the road he got hurt. So he's dealt with all

836
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: this stuff and still put the best dB campaign I've

837
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: ever seen on tape. Like he I mean, you got

838
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: to think I modeled mysel. I was a year behind him.

839
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: He played both ways in college, so did I. So

840
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 3: I tried to do everything better than him.

841
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: But it was to keep the dude.

842
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: Every week, Like the year he won Defensive Player.

843
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: Of the Year, he just just picked six picks, like God,

844
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: damn man. Next thing, you know, he's at sixty picks

845
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: and then I retire and he's still playing.

846
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, god, like, come on, man, season, Oh

847
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: my god.

848
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: I mean the pick he had against the Broncos when

849
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: he jumped and it was right over Damaris Thomas and

850
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: and he landed on his back. I think it's one

851
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 3: of the sweet picks I've ever seen. And I'm like,

852
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: how was he doing that at ninety years old? Like

853
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: what is going on? The dude was just eating right, man?

854
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: And he's a football god, Like, I mean, I put

855
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: him on a pedestal, like hands down complete defensive back.

856
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: Charles Woodson The best album YEP.

857
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, not even a discussion, like it's just pure

858
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: you talk about just what you were talking about earlier

859
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: of just football players, Like he's just a football player.

860
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: You put him on the field, he's gonna play football.

861
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna make plays, he's gonna be around

862
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: the ball, he's gonna take it. He's gonna beat football players,

863
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: whether it's safety, corner. You really don't know what position

864
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: yet because he out there playing football.

865
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, and you can't and you can't tell people

866
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: watch him, no, because the way he did it. I

867
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: remember when I started playing inside and he had been

868
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 3: playing inside for a while, and I'm like, man, this

869
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: ship is not as easy as he makes it look like.

870
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: I think he just is is mindset. And then he

871
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: just got this relentless attack to go get the ball.

872
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, come on, man.

873
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I remember we went to the Pro Bowl together and

874
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: we were sitting there talking because he was my idol.

875
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: He was the one I was like, man, I got

876
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: to be like Charles Woodson. I want to do everything

877
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: he did. Like you said, it's way harder than it seems.

878
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: But he used to talk about like, hey, just make

879
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: the game easy for yourself. Make it like your corner

880
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: that has no athleticism. You just need to watch the game.

881
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: You need to understand every concept. You need to understand

882
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: what they're doing, like you got no athleticism and still

883
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: be able to make those plays. And that's the way

884
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I played it. But he told me, he was like,

885
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: the way I attack the ball is when I'm going

886
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: to tackle, I know they not leaving without it. Yeah,

887
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: he said, So when I go in there, I'm grabbing

888
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: the ball, and if they leave without it, then it's

889
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: staying with me and you can go wherever you want

890
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: to go, but you're not leaving without the football. And

891
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: if I do that most times, that's four or five

892
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: force fumbles a year. That's two or three interceptions. That's

893
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: I said, Charles, you making that sound way easier than

894
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: it is. But that's a simple way.

895
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: And you sound like the typical young guy trying to

896
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: get some real nuggets. But you know, but on the

897
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: flip side, he can't explain how he's doing it. And

898
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: I remember young boy young corners used to ask me

899
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 3: all the time.

900
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Like how do you drive on that dig? How you

901
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: do this? Do that? Like, Bro, it's just experience.

902
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: Like I can't really tell you what's gonna happen all

903
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: the time. I just I can watch film. I can

904
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 3: identify tendencies. But when I'm out there and I've got

905
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 3: the body of experience that I have behind me, that's

906
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: what enables me to break on this the way I

907
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: do and see things coming before it happens.

908
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: Like I can't, I can't really tell you.

909
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: Let's just be very good with what you know and

910
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: the hope you get enough experience to be great. You know,

911
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: when you really got that knowledge because it was just

912
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: I see young corners. Now, if you don't understand football,

913
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: it's harder for you. Like you, you gotta understand football,

914
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: and football is not a complicated game. We make it complicated,

915
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 3: we do because we're trying to trick one another. But

916
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: it's really not complicated. Like if you the corner, stay

917
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: outside the run, play, don't.

918
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: Cut it, make it cut back, you know what I mean?

919
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 3: But I see a lot of corners chasing from inside

920
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: out and it's it's it's it's weird because they need

921
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 3: to have that experience in order to then be good

922
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: know what they're doing.

923
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the only way you teach yourself.

924
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: What what? So I want to this is for young

925
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: guys out there. I want you to explain during your

926
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,959
Speaker 1: prime and everything's going your way, this is Champ, Champ,

927
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: what did a week look like for you in your

928
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: prime as a number one corner and like how much film,

929
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: how much off the field stuff taking care of your

930
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: body or was it just natural ability?

931
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 2: I know you say you practiced, are ninety percent natural?

932
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: H Honestly, I didn't really start like doing extra stuff

933
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: like as far as you know, just just core and

934
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 3: things like that. Still, I started getting the soft tissue injuries.

935
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: I always, you know, dealt with something maybe an ankle

936
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: here or there. But like I said, I never missed

937
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: a game until my sixth year in the league. So

938
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: that's when that all kind of started coming about because

939
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: I used to watch John Letch do it. He was

940
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: on his way out the league, and he would do

941
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: all these little extra things, core, all this stuff, you know,

942
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: just just body maintenance. And I didn't adopt that until

943
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: after he left. Before that, like when those years when

944
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 3: I was really doing it, maybe from my fourth year,

945
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 3: maybe maybe my third year, all the way to about

946
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 3: my eighth and ninth year, it was just a lot

947
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: of film, you know. But I always practice hard, you know.

948
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: I never took days off. It was just one of

949
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 3: those things I prouded myself just being present, like just

950
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: being there, just making sure I keep putting in the work.

951
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: The film was the film.

952
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: We watched film in the meeting room, but I'm watching

953
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: twice as much at home, you know. So it's it

954
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: was always that I didn't do a lot of the

955
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: chiropractice and all that, Like I just didn't. I don't

956
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: know why I didn't take a lot of like supplements

957
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: or anything. For one, some guys would get popped for

958
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: supplements and I don't know if it was intentional or accident,

959
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 3: but they would say it was an accident.

960
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: So I was always afraid of it.

961
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: So and I proud of myself on not putting too

962
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: many toxins in my body. Yeah, I would have a

963
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: drink here and there, but other than that, I wouldn't

964
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: do a whole lot. So it was that's just who

965
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: I was. I was a football junkie, like I loved

966
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 3: the game, and I honestly think that mindset is what

967
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: translated on the field, and that's what you saw and

968
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: somebody who just loved being out there. You got to

969
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 3: think my whole life, I would never be on the

970
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: sideline until I got to college my first two years

971
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: and then I ended up playing more offense, and I

972
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: was never on the sideline again. Then I got to

973
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 3: the league and I had that same mindset. So I

974
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: played some offense in Washington, I played some in Denver.

975
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: So I always was just a football junkie. I wanted

976
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: to be on the field. That's what I knew. And

977
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 3: it didn't take a lot of extra stuff to get

978
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: me ready for a game.

979
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: And now when I look back, I wish I would

980
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: have done more.

981
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: Maybe I would have played eighteen nineteen instead of fifteen

982
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: fifteen is enough, don't get me wrong, especially right at corner.

983
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: But you know, that's just who I was. I didn't

984
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: try to overthink the process. And I saw guys doing

985
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: a lot, and you know a lot of them were

986
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 3: marginal players.

987
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: So I was like.

988
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 3: Thinking, like that might be what's keeping them here, you

989
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.

990
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: So it is what it is.

991
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: Man.

992
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: Everybody has to figure out what works for them. It's

993
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: no different from playing the game. We'll find out what

994
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: works for you. There's so much you can take from grades,

995
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: but it still has to work for you. And that's

996
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: just who I was.

997
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: It's so cool to hear you talk about the things

998
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: on the field because it is something about being on

999
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: that field on game day and certain things. It just

1000
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: makes sense. It's like a puzzle piece is fitting together,

1001
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: like when you at the line, like oh, his mannerisms,

1002
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: Oh he's about to run a deep ball, Like oh,

1003
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: he's way too excited right now, Like oh I could

1004
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: this is I feel him. I feel where we're going

1005
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: right now. I feel yeah, okay, let's go.

1006
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: Let's dance then, Like when we used when we used

1007
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: to play the Steelers, they had man, they used to

1008
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: have so many tails, and it.

1009
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Was just it was basically because they had Ben.

1010
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: Roethlisberger and he was just he just had a cannon

1011
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: like he could fit balls in any any space. And

1012
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: they kept their offense basic. Every time it was a

1013
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: Mike Wallace. Every time he lined up inside, he's going deep.

1014
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: So it was just like it was like so predictable,

1015
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: but it was still hard to hell to stop. So

1016
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 3: so it's just you know, you get a feel for

1017
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: all that, and sometimes teams ain't trying to trick you,

1018
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: so you just got to get a feel for it.

1019
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: Like if it feel like if it walked like a duck,

1020
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: quack like a duck, it's not a chicken, trusted, trusted, and.

1021
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: They don't to trick themselves either, So it is what

1022
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: it is.

1023
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: That that was so and you talked about not getting

1024
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: targeted with with with Drew Brees, That's how it was

1025
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: with Aaron and Tom with me, like we get out

1026
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: there and Aaron and everything he put me on, they

1027
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: be on the backside, have a receiver he wouldn't even

1028
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: signal a route to him. I'll be like, is he

1029
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna signal it to you? I'm waiting for it, because

1030
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: it's either this, he's gonna wrap, scratch his back, he's

1031
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna scratch his face. He's gonna do with that. I

1032
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: know the routes. He needs to signal you something, so

1033
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: they just run jog or go route and I'll be like, okay.

1034
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: So you just it's funny you say that.

1035
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 3: You y'all were playing Green Bay, and I swear Aaron

1036
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 3: Rodgers didn't look over that one time. He might have,

1037
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: he might have peeked over there and went back the

1038
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: other way, but he never looked over there one time.

1039
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: And I never played against Aaron Rodgers except once in

1040
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: the preseason, and he and he during the play, I

1041
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: think they may have played it.

1042
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: Walking down the field.

1043
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: He was like, you think you're getting some balls today,

1044
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: You're not getting nothing, you know, and basically just kind

1045
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: of messing with me because he knows not the target there.

1046
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: And I never get you played, Tom Brady. I mean,

1047
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 3: you talking all kinds of ship during the game, pre game,

1048
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: post game. I'm sure it was a lot of fire,

1049
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: but I never get he threw that one up and

1050
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: you picked it like damn, he got one ball.

1051
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: And got a pick.

1052
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: But no, that's but that's how when when you're on

1053
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: top of your game, that's what happens. Man, and you

1054
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: you it was just perfect because I was watching you closely,

1055
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 3: because you were just making plays. I'm like, see what

1056
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: this dude doing. Oh damn, Aaron Ros not even gonna

1057
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 3: give him a chance. Next week, here go Tom Brady.

1058
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: He don't even give you a chance, one chance, and

1059
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 3: you pick him like, man, it's still the real deal.

1060
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: It means so much that you watch me. Man, you

1061
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: have no idea that means so much to me.

1062
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: Come on, man, super Bowl champion.

1063
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: You you the accolades, I mean, College Hall of Fame,

1064
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame. Just one of the best and

1065
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: most gifted to ever do it. And it's just like

1066
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: when you I certain guys on tape, like you said,

1067
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: everybody got their unique skill sets. I couldn't move like

1068
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: you moved. You know what I mean if I wanted to,

1069
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't do with you different. Man, It's all different.

1070
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: But I can make the plays. I can still get

1071
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: my hands on the football. I could take it away

1072
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: I can make the kind of impact that you were making.

1073
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: And that's the way I try to factor it in

1074
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: for myself, like, hey, I don't have to be like

1075
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: them to make the plays that they're making. See what

1076
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: they're seeing, recognize it, trigger like they're triggering, get to

1077
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: the spot that they're getting to, and catch the football

1078
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: when it gets in your hands. That's the big part

1079
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: of this game that's changing. Like even these elite corners

1080
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: that's getting paid all this money, there's so many of them,

1081
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: and they're doing a great job. They're covering, they knocking

1082
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: the ball down there in great position. But you look

1083
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: at them. McDuffie just got paid thirty one million dollars

1084
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: a year, three career picks, like Sauce got thirty million

1085
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: dollars whatever he got, I think he got too. Yeah,

1086
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: but they're just not catching like you were saying earlier,

1087
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Like they're just not catching. It's not like they're not

1088
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: getting position, they're not making plays, they're playing great defense. Yeah,

1089
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: they're just not catching them like they used to. And

1090
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: then on top of that, these quarterbacks are risk averse.

1091
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: They're worried about their efficiency numbers. They don't want to

1092
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: be getting killed on Twitter because they back in the

1093
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: day they throw five interceptions three touchdowns long as they

1094
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: won the game. It's good. Now you throw five interceptions

1095
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: three touchdowns, even if you win, they gonna they're gonna

1096
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: be killing you talking about hey, you stink and you

1097
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: bad and social media is gonna kill you.

1098
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: So damn.

1099
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: That's a whole other element that I didn't really think about. Yeah,

1100
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: the criticism is there, and it's fast, it's nast.

1101
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: And that's the part that I don't think gets enough

1102
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: credit about just playing in this era with all the

1103
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: analytics and all that. Like, people were scrutinizing my game

1104
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: to the point where they're like, he gave up two

1105
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: catches to this, and it gave up three catches to this.

1106
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: And it's like you we watching every clip and every

1107
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: posture and everything in my game, and then you look

1108
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: up and it's like, for my career, I gave up

1109
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: forty nine point eight percent of the pass its thrown

1110
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: my way. I had thirty seven interceptions and gave up

1111
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: sixteen touchdo It's like, yeah, that's what it is. You know,

1112
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: it ain't.

1113
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: You know anybody would live with those steps. Come on, you.

1114
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: Gotta gotta live with them if you were, if you

1115
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: were building a perfect dB. What are some non negotiable

1116
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: What are three non negotiable traits? They gotta have.

1117
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: One confidence.

1118
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: Stream, confidence, athleticism and playmaking ability.

1119
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: Uh.

1120
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's one thing to shut somebody down and

1121
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: not let them catch it, but you gotta make plays.

1122
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: Like I'm all about the playmaking, right, And you know,

1123
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: I heard Sante Samuel talk about, you know, him making

1124
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: a lot of plays.

1125
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with him on one hand.

1126
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: Man, Look, you got a lot of picks that's got

1127
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 3: to be respected.

1128
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: It's hard to take that ball away.

1129
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 3: Now he's a little younger than me and he but

1130
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 3: he played in my era and you know, it's definitely different.

1131
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: But again, like I think he would still make plays

1132
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: today if he was in his prime. So I give

1133
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 3: him a lot of credit for bringing that up because

1134
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: I don't want people to think, you know, that it's

1135
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 3: all about picks. But at the same time, man, that

1136
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 3: is highly important to me. Like, but without confidence and athleticism,

1137
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: you ain't making no plays anyway. So give me that first,

1138
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 3: and then the play making the ability to be a

1139
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 3: close third.

1140
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they don't give it because why

1141
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: they don't give him credit, don't I really don't understand that.

1142
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Like he got over fifty picks, he didn't give up

1143
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: over twenty five touchdown. I think he might have gave

1144
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: up twenty five twenty six. It wasn't like the way

1145
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: they show his picture and the way they talked about

1146
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: the Sante Samder, like he had fifty one interceptions and

1147
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: he gave him fifty touchdowns like that.

1148
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: That he's loud. It's just because he's loud. So I mean,

1149
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 3: he says what he's what's on his mind. People don't

1150
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 3: like that. You know, It's just it is what it is.

1151
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he had a great career. Now is he

1152
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 3: better than Prome? No, I would say no. But you know,

1153
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm gonna listen to his argument

1154
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 3: because I know he was a high level corner, Like

1155
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: the dude was one of the best, so you know,

1156
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna listen to what he gotta say and

1157
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 3: give him that respect because what he did wasn't easy,

1158
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's one of those things. Man,

1159
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 3: he made his career off taking the ball away and

1160
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: he was one of the best to do it.

1161
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree with that, and I think

1162
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: that's that's something that got to be valued. I would

1163
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: like his name to be mentioned in the Hall of Fame,

1164
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, even if he get in fifteen years later.

1165
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: I think, you know, during the time where it's hard

1166
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: to take the ball away, he took it away and

1167
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: he played that gambling game where he have two pick

1168
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: sixes and give up a touchdown. And if you if

1169
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: you're a corner, I'm living with that.

1170
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1171
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: If I didn't have two pick sixes and I gave

1172
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: up one of the yeah.

1173
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: Give me that.

1174
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: I'll take that to take that all day.

1175
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: Right. Who do you think during your time you played

1176
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: against some of the greatest You talked about Mike Irvin,

1177
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: who was the greatest receiver that you played against?

1178
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: And it don't want to be a big name, oh man,

1179
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 3: you know, well, it is a big name.

1180
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: I would say Randy was the most talented.

1181
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 3: To o right there nipping at his heels Marvin Harrison

1182
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: because he had Peyton manning and he was still talented

1183
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: as hell, but you know, Peyton made it even harder.

1184
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 3: And I like to mention guys that you know, you

1185
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: don't really think about, like Jimmy Smith, like straight dog

1186
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 3: like he was. He's just one of those guys.

1187
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: Man.

1188
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 3: When it was third down and eight and they needed it,

1189
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: he's getting the first down like and I thought I

1190
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: could stop him, but I didn't. You know, from time

1191
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: to time he catched that ball. But you know, it's

1192
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 3: just he's just one of those guys that get you know,

1193
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: sort of lost.

1194
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: Steve Smith another good one, straight doll.

1195
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: But it's hard to take my off Randy t O

1196
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: Marvin because I saw him a lot and often and

1197
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: they were problems, right.

1198
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: That's that's how it was with me, Julio, some dogs,

1199
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: Mega Tron, Mega Tron broj Oh my god. J don't

1200
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: get enough credit. No, but when you get out there

1201
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: with Megatron and you see some of the stuff that

1202
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: he's putting on tape, you see three guys freaking guarding him,

1203
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: he just up all three and you're like.

1204
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to deal with him. I was a

1205
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 3: little older, but he definitely got gave me problems. I'll

1206
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 3: tell you that, because he's all six six, unning, all

1207
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 3: the fast. I don't even know now, I don't even

1208
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 3: know why he's a receiver. He should have been a quarterback,

1209
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: tight end or something. I mean edge rusher coming up today,

1210
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: he would have been an edge rusher, no doubt.

1211
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: No doubt about. It would have been making one hundred

1212
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars. It was illegal illegal, it's you.

1213
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: You got to play with Peyton. Sorry, I just keep

1214
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: you got to Peyton during that crazy year you played

1215
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: against him as an opponent. How crazy was it to

1216
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: watch him have that record set in season as part

1217
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: of that team like that just it just looked like.

1218
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: Especially it was unreal, bro, it was. It was just

1219
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: crazy because he was just on point.

1220
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: And people forget like we had weapons too, like E's Onou,

1221
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: Wes Welker, Uh Thomas Jack Bubba Callwell Eric Decker, like

1222
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: we had some some players, but you know, he was

1223
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: just on point and they worked like he put the

1224
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 3: work in. I think he was really hungry trying to

1225
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 3: get that that next championship. But you know, unfortunately he

1226
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 3: didn't have a defense to match that year. But they

1227
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: had a historical offensive season. I mean it was just

1228
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 3: one of those like they were just on point and

1229
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 3: catching everybody off guard, and it was it was beautiful

1230
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 3: to watch.

1231
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember us watching it on tape preparing for

1232
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: that game, and it was your It's like they were

1233
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: running people off the field. They were literally running people

1234
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: off the field every game, like corner. You know, people

1235
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: getting up to the line, they don't they don't know

1236
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: what play they run, and they can't communicate. And Peyton's

1237
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: just in there, surgical.

1238
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll outthink anybody. So you know, you got to

1239
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 3: find a way to get to him. If you can

1240
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: get to him, then then you can create problems for him.

1241
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: But man, when he was on and he's in that

1242
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: pocket clean, nobody's better, right, Look.

1243
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: That look a couple of years later, they made up

1244
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: for it when he won it his best that defense,

1245
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: That defense carried him to a championship and deserved.

1246
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 3: But that's that's what wins championship. Stops you get stops

1247
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 3: you win, period. I don't care how many points you scored.

1248
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 3: You gotta get stops. And if you can, if you

1249
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: can create rek havoc on defense and create problems for

1250
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 3: the offense, yeah, nobody's being yeah, because it's it's hard

1251
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 3: as hell.

1252
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 2: To stop people.

1253
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 3: So when you do it, it's it's demoralizing.

1254
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: It is, And then every year you see it, it's

1255
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: some great defense should up in the Super Bowl. Beating

1256
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: the hell out of somebody, and they're like, oh my god,

1257
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: defense wins championship, Like y'all did not see Have y'all

1258
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: not watched the history of this game? Y'all? Just like

1259
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: seemed like every year y'all just realized that defense wins

1260
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: championships In the Super.

1261
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 3: Bowl, Yeah, that's all it is. I mean, I'll never

1262
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 3: say anything different. You know, even though this league is

1263
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: geared towards making the offenses great, it's all about defense.

1264
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 3: It's and that's why the Broncos are gonna be a

1265
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 3: problem for a while.

1266
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: They keep that defense the way it is.

1267
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 3: I don't care what they do on offense, they always

1268
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 3: gonna have a shot and Seattle as well, your old

1269
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: stomping ground.

1270
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 2: Them boys are good man.

1271
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: They play They play a solid Brandon defense. So did

1272
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: you see that debate was having the best defense ever?

1273
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: That no flies on leading the boom thing?

1274
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So who's who's.

1275
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: Your best DP? The not just include those two, but

1276
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: who's the best defense that you've ever seen play? Are

1277
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: your top five? I guess?

1278
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: Oh that Ravens defense in two thousand was stick, Now

1279
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: I did? I am old enough to remember the eighty

1280
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: five Bears. So so we will.

1281
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: Say that you put them in there.

1282
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: It's hard to rank them, but I'll throw a few

1283
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: in there. That Broncos defense for sure, y'all defense for

1284
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: of course, in three.

1285
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 2: Or four years.

1286
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 3: I mean, Jesus Christ, it was a problem.

1287
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: Let me think, who am I missing? Hold on?

1288
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: Hold on that that that one. I can't ignore it.

1289
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 3: They have some talent on that defense. You gotta think, like, yeah,

1290
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 3: I ain't going that far back. I'm gonna try to

1291
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 3: say it because only because I didn't see it. But

1292
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: that two thousand Tampa defense, I mean, you got you're

1293
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: talking about John Lynch, Rende Barber, Warren Sap, Derrick Brooks,

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: same and Rice I mean, Booger McFarland.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, they were stacked.

1296
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean, and that was I was pretty much raised

1297
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: by them. They put us out the playoffs my rookie year.

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01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: But damn, I mean it's I would I would live

1299
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: with that five I just mentioned. I mean, I'm sure

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01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 3: there's another one in there that I'm forgetting, but man,

1301
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: it wasn't much better defense than that.

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: And I wasn't part of any of them. So all good.

1303
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 3: Man, Look, I had thirteen decoordinators in my career. So

1304
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, tell you what I was exposed to

1305
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 3: for the most part.

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Speaker 1: That's it's so tough to play great defense with all that. Like,

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01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: how many different schemes did you play in?

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01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 3: I played three four four three, I mean, I mean everything, dog,

1309
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 3: you name it.

1310
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: We played it like I was doing everything.

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01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: I mean, we played a lot of man, a lot

1312
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 3: of song one year, like, I mean, it was just

1313
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 3: it was everything. And I played with a lot of

1314
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: greats too though, So you know, I got no complaints

1315
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 3: about my career. It's just you know, I was never

1316
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 3: on a great defense like I had. We had great moments,

1317
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 3: but not as a as a whole. Nah.

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: Never. Now to finish off, I gotta talk about your

1319
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: off the field and your off the field passions. And

1320
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: obviously you're in the film industry, Like after you got

1321
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: done playing, what did your mind go to and how

1322
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: did you end up getting into film?

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Speaker 3: Well, just through my connections, just so you know, the

1324
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 3: writer director Glenn Owen as a Georgia guy.

1325
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: He played basketball at Georgia.

1326
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 3: He was a walk on there before I got there,

1327
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 3: so a little older than me, and he just he

1328
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 3: convinced me to get involved, and it was something that,

1329
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: you know, if I was going to do something out

1330
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: of the ordinary for myself, it had to be with

1331
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: somebody I cared about it, somebody you know, I could

1332
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: relate to, and he was one of those guys. So

1333
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 3: I've been doing that. That's the first feature film I've done.

1334
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: I'm doing a lot of like consulting work, basically working

1335
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 3: with companies. And I found myself at the damn State

1336
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: Capitol a lot because of my bulldog connections. You know,

1337
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 3: all the politicians bulldogs, right, So it's you know, it's

1338
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 3: a different conversation when I walk in the room, you

1339
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 3: know than the typical lobbyist walks in the room. So

1340
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 3: you know, so I find myself doing that with this

1341
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: medical cannabis company, peach State Health Plan, which is an

1342
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 3: insurance company, and oakysinok Swamp Park, which is a park

1343
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: by my hometown. So I do a lot of Georgia

1344
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: based stuff because you know, that's one thing I wanted

1345
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: to do is come back home and really tap into

1346
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: this network. And it's been beautiful, man, and I just

1347
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: kind of do deals. Now I will reveal something that

1348
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: I missed out on. You probably not even aware, but.

1349
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: But maybe you are.

1350
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 3: So Prize Picks just sold for like a couple of

1351
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 3: billion dollars, right, and the founder big bulldog fan. Right,

1352
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 3: he gave me the opportunity to invest, and I missed

1353
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 3: and I passed on it, and they just sold it.

1354
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, that's how I felt yesterday when.

1355
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: Somebody told me. I was like, yea, and the guy

1356
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: I love the guy like he was. He was a

1357
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 3: great dude, like sharp about where he wanted to take

1358
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 3: the company. And it wasn't until I saw those commercials

1359
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: and I'm like, damn, I guess he took in big money.

1360
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: So and then a couple of years later, here he

1361
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: is selling it for a couple of billion dollars.

1362
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, come.

1363
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: On, when people approach you with deals like that is it?

1364
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: And I'm don't mean to getting your finances, but I

1365
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: just want to educate young dudes or young viewers that

1366
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: might be watching about different ways you can approach endorsement deals.

1367
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Do they ask you to invest your capital or are

1368
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: you selling like, hey, I endorse this with name and likeness,

1369
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: and you give me a certain amount of equity and

1370
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: shares to be a part of this company.

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01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 3: Well, as you know, most people think it's money, right,

1372
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 3: Most people want money, And I'm always like, well, I

1373
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 3: like your brand, I like your company or whatever it is.

1374
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: I can help you, but I ain't giving you money.

1375
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: Like I bring value in other ways, Like I can

1376
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: introduce you to people.

1377
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: I got a strong network.

1378
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean I could do this or that, but a

1379
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: lot of times people need money, so that conversation can't

1380
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: be ignored.

1381
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: But I can often help you get the money.

1382
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 3: Right, like it doesn't always have to come out of

1383
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 3: my bank account. And I had to kind of learn

1384
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 3: that because you know, as you when you retire, you realize, damn,

1385
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 3: I missed out on a lot. Yeah, so my mind

1386
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 3: was never about anything outside of the game. You know,

1387
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 3: I wish it was, but it wasn't. I wasn't raised

1388
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: like that. I just focused on what I was doing.

1389
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: But then now I realize my impact is much stronger

1390
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 3: than what football tells you.

1391
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: Like, when you're playing, everybody.

1392
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 3: Sees you, so that's probably the most popular you're going

1393
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 3: to be. But when you retire and kind of go

1394
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 3: back into your and fall back into your like network,

1395
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 3: you realize that value exists in a different kind of way.

1396
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: And what matters now is how how I used to

1397
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: treat people when I was in school. Like what matters

1398
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: now is how I've treated people when I would come

1399
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 3: back home to Georgia. Like because I live here now

1400
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 3: now people can tell me about those experiences and it's

1401
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: not a negative experience for them, And I'm like, damn, well,

1402
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: that was just half the battle right now, I just

1403
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 3: need to get smarter about what the hell I'm doing,

1404
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 3: you know. So you know, your strong network and building

1405
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: bridges is really what propelled me to get all these opportunities.

1406
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 3: Now I'm looking at one or two deals every week,

1407
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 3: like there's always something I'm I'm I got a good

1408
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: group of people around me in different pockets.

1409
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 2: Everybody's good at something, you know.

1410
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: So it's you know, I try to keep myself flexible

1411
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 3: and not fill up my schedule too much. But at

1412
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 3: the same time, I love what I'm doing because I'm

1413
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: connecting people and I'm in rooms I want to be

1414
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 3: in and things like that. But it wasn't it didn't

1415
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 3: start out that way. I kind of had to get there.

1416
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, when I look at deals, I'm trying to

1417
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: figure out how to get in this deal without writing

1418
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: a check first, But everybody coming they're already thinking about

1419
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: how much I can write a check for, So right,

1420
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 3: you gotta fight that battle a little bit.

1421
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: See, that's one thing I'll say in my career that

1422
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: I was very cognizant of is using my brand as

1423
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: my as my capital. And if I'm sitting here saying, hey,

1424
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna endorse this young fledgling company, then hey, you

1425
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 1: give me I don't know, fifty five thousand shares, which

1426
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: is half a percent of your company, and I will

1427
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: sit on the board and introduce you to all these

1428
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: people I'm sitting in the meetings with you to get

1429
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: you the capital that you desire because my name and

1430
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: Mike gives you credibility, like having Champ Bailey associated with it,

1431
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: having Richard Truman associated with it, gives you credibility to

1432
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: get these rooms that you couldn't necessarily get into, these

1433
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:49,240
Speaker 1: conversations you couldn't necessarily get into without these names associated

1434
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: with it. So that is value that's more than the

1435
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars or one hundred fifty thousand dollars.

1436
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna invest in your company. This is so

1437
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: you give me those shares for me to make that impact.

1438
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: That's the same kind of impact. Appreciate you, Appreciate you, jamp.

1439
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: This went home. I'm sorry.

1440
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 2: I appreciated.

1441
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this for you.

1442
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: Man anything, I appreciate what you've done for me.

1443
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: Man, I reached out to you, and you ain't hesitate

1444
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 3: one bit to reach back out and provide me what

1445
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: I asked for. All I need now, all I need

1446
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 3: now is my Richard Sherman jersey and we'll be good.

1447
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you a text. You send me the address,

1448
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: it'll be in the mail.

1449
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1450
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I appreciate sending my champ. I want.

1451
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: I want the Denver one.

1452
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,679
Speaker 3: Don't worry when you when you send me my yoster,

1453
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: you'll get yours.