1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Yes, Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Each Money Making Conversation is about entrepreneurship and entertainment. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: I recognize that we all have different definitions of success. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: For some it's a sizable paychecks. Mine is helping people 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: wake up and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: live their very best life. These are my passions. That's 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do for everybody who listening to 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: my show, some people catching on video, majority listening on 9 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: via podcast. I want you to stop tripping over small 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: challenges and preparator rise above the bigger obstacles that life 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: will present to you. And it's very important to understand 12 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: it's all about you. Focus on you will yourself to success. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: That's the story of my next guest, Lacre. He is 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: recognized as the first artist to have an album hit 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: the charts at number one for both Billboard two hundred 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: and the Gospel Charts simultaneously. His ninth album and accompanying 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: documentary that's going to be associated with the album, Restoration, 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: features artists across all genres including my Man John Legend, 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: my Man, Kurt Frank, and y K O. Cirius. His 20 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: work is fueled by building bridges, changing narratives, empowering their disenfranchised, 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: and restoring the dignity of those on the margins. In 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: this new book, which I read this morning, I am 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: restored how I lost my religion but found my faith. 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: He shares how he found the courage to stop ignoring 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: his trauma and instead to begin working through it step 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: by step. Please work from the money making conversations. My man, 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: look graz about you look great for I brought your 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: online up. Yeah, you know that the beauty of you, 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: like I seld you the first time I got to 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: see you perform was uh in Houston, that was doing 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl weekend and and even even though I 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: didn't know you, I knew there was a gifted person 33 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: speaking there singing at that time. But at the time 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: also you're dealing with a lot of trauma in your life, 35 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: and but you're able to mask that and not allow 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: it to affect your abilities as an author, performing artists. 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: Talk to those different steps. And then we're gonna go 38 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: through the book that uh wonderful book, wonderfully honest book 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: and I think a necessary read that I'm recommend to 40 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: all my all, my putting it in my mailing list 41 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: that goes out to fans on Wednesday, which is tomorrow, 42 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: ninety thousand people. You know, I got over a million 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: social media follows, so you'll see me posting them there. 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: Because when you when people release information to the general 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: population because you are a celebrity. We talk about it 46 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: in your book being a celebrity, and sometimes being a 47 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: celebrity allows you to be a victim of your success 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: because people can to dissect a celebrity or an important 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: person versus an everyday person kind of like skates through. 50 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: And you know your book tells that story, but talk 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: about your performing even though you're dealing with a lot 52 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: of emotional drama. Yeah, you know, sometimes I think you 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: you wear that face that you just put on, those 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: lenses that allow you to just keep going and pushing 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: through without dealing with the problems and the trauma. And 56 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: you allow uh successes to define you instead of um, 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, you being successful out of a healthy and 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: whole version of yourself. You're allowing the successes to convince 59 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: you that you are healthy and whole. And I think 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: that's that's a very different thing. And so for me, 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was a matter of becoming a healthy, 62 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: whole individual and dealing with some historical traumas and um 63 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: and recognizing that, uh, you know, I was a slave 64 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: to uh what other people wanted of me and not 65 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: being who I was created to be and uh and 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: that that that meant all? Did you say that now? 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: With your book titled you Know I Am Restored, How 68 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I lost my religion but found my faith, I gotta 69 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: ask you what is the difference between religion and faith? 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: That's a great question. Um, you know, I think uh 71 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: a lot of us are are tied to religion, and 72 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: religion is essentially performing to be accepted. Religion is performing 73 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: trying to do all the right things so that God 74 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: will accept you or maybe that other people will accept you. 75 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: And and faith or relationship is more about saying, I know, 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I've been accepted, so let me function out of that acceptance. 77 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: Let me do the right things because I've been accepted. 78 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: And so I always say it like this. If I 79 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: come home to my wife and I knock on the 80 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: door and I handed some flowers, and I say, ago, 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: and I'm supposed to do this, that's religion, and I'm 82 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna speak on the couch that night. Uh 83 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: but but but but faith or relationship is me coming 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: home and say, man, I've been thinking about you all 85 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: day and you just you're so wonderful and I appreciate 86 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: you so much. I just brought you these flowers because 87 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: you're amazing. And I don't I have faith. You know, 88 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen, but probably something that 89 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 1: is gonna happen because of that reality. And that's that's 90 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: because people, you know, people will question your faith before 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: they question your religion. They were, and you know, it's 92 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: really interesting that that happens like that. And that's why 93 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: I asked that question between religion and faith, because people 94 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: will they will challenge your faith. They will challenge you 95 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: because your faith can be tied to so many things. 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: You know, where you live, how you walk, how you talk, 97 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: or how much money you make, how much what your 98 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: expectations for yourself or for your family. That can be 99 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: that word faith has such an expansive term to it, 100 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: but it's also tied to religion, and it allows you 101 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: to It's over when I'm reading a book, which is, 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: like I said, a thorough read about from your childhood 103 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: to adulthood. And uh, it really amazed me because if 104 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: the talk of being a healthy person, which is really 105 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: key in the diet, and I think that plays in 106 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: every chapter in the book as you talk about being 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a man and being a young man and being a 108 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: young boy, meeting your father and and he picking you 109 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: up and you're thinking, that's a great moment of life, 110 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 1: and then guess what, he basically kicked you to the curb, 111 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: which was one of those unhealthy moments in your life 112 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: when you're trying to live a life as a healthy person. Correct. Yeah, absolutely, 113 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: And I mean that's that's that's a huge part of 114 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: it is is uh, you know, not having those those models. 115 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: You know, you can only be what you've seen, you 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: can only become what you've bailed and so not having 117 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: those models becomes a traumatic thing for for a lot 118 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: of us. And and uh, and so I'm just that's 119 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: really interesting. When I talked to you. The first time 120 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: I talked to you, like I said, it was like 121 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: I knew you, but we were developing a relationship. Now 122 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: this second time around, I'm much more comfortable on how 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: hard speak to you. And it's really based on reading 124 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: this book and because we all have dark sides. You know, 125 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: when I say dark sides, secrets we don't reveal. We 126 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: lived through life with it, but we won't tell even 127 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: our closest loved ones. You know, I have them, and 128 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: you're sharing a lot of them in this book. And 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: you know, and and I have been fortunate to have 130 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: been a popular stand up comedian, and you and in 131 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: your book you're talking about you know, when you're when 132 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: you're in a church, you knows you kind of know 133 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: who your audience is. And I remember when I was 134 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: in the comedy club, I kind of know who my 135 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: audience is. But when I got booked in a nightclub 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: or booked in a private party, I really didn't know 137 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: who I was performing too. And it always put additional 138 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: stress in my mind on how to relate to these 139 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: people are if they will relate to me? And you know, 140 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: when you talk about your experience opening up for Kevin 141 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Hard at the you know, at these at the Mercedes 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Being super Dome and you're looking at the audience, who 143 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're here for Kevin Hall, okay, and but 144 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: you're going out there not knowing How does that? How 145 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: does that work in your mind when you when you're 146 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: in that environment. You know, you know they're here for 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: the because he's filled up that he filled up the dome. Okay, 148 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: you're blessed to be an opening act for him and 149 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: because it allows you to grow your bread. How does 150 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: that trigger in your mind? From a performing standpoint, who 151 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: you are? You trying to relate to everybody, You're trying 152 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: to just get them understand the Crae experience. Yeah, you 153 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: know what it is is a lot of it is, 154 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: like you said, understanding how to read the room is 155 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: understanding what people are there for and m and and 156 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: finding some common ground and and being able to connect 157 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: to people in a real way. And I think authenticity 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: is is where you can always win. You know, people 159 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: crave and hunger for authenticity. But it's the hard thing 160 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: for us to do because we're so worried about what 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: everybody thinks. But how how authentic and connecting what it 162 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: has been for me to just come out and say, 163 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: I know y'all aint for me. I know you'll want 164 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: to see Kevin hard. You know that's that's immediately gonna 165 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: endear people to me, immediately, gonna make them say, okay, 166 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: keeping it real. And now I hear what this guy 167 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: has to say, and so I think that's that's that's 168 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: a big piece of life, you know, because of the 169 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: fact that you know, eleven years old, you walk on 170 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: stage and you bust out with a wrap and everybody 171 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: now now gives you value. And and in my book 172 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: and your book, you know, and in of your craze. 173 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Here this book I am restored, how to how I 174 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: lost my religion but found my faith. Each chapter is 175 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: about value and that's the part of healthiness. But in 176 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: order to achieve value, if I'm reading this wrong, you 177 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: have to admit and go public with what's bothering you inside, 178 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: with that draw, that trauma, you know, that chaos as 179 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: you talk about and when did you really start realizing 180 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: that because black the Black community is really interesting community. 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: Were we are in denial community, were in denial about 182 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: COVID and ainteen, when the denial about our eating habits, 183 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: when denial about gay gay community, we're denying. We're just 184 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: an in denial community and it holds us back a lot. 185 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: And so and it also is in the evel when 186 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: it comes to mental and social stress, you know, not 187 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: admitting that we we have issues that should be somebody 188 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: should be talking to us about and that that that 189 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: false ability to move forward not emitting that we are 190 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: a flawed community and uh holds us back. And so 191 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: that in it turn, in turn, we'll did some some 192 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: setbacks for you because you couldn't figure out what was 193 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: wrong with you exactly. You're you're you're, you're hitting the 194 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: hammer on their uh. A big piece of our struggle, 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: um is what what what what someone called post traumatic 196 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: slave syndrome right and and and post traumatic slave syndrome 197 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: is we have adopted and adapted these views that were 198 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: instilled in our ancestors that we are we're almost like 199 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: um uh cattle and we can just be driven and 200 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: and pushed and pushed and pushed until no end. And 201 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: the problem is we're not addressing our traumas, we're not 202 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: addressing our pains, we're not addressing our fears. We're treating 203 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: ourselves like animals. You know, I say sometimes you know, 204 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: you can be a speedboat or you can be a 205 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: raft or a sailboat, and a speedboat is the things 206 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: that can plow through, you know, and just I'm just 207 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: gonna make it all the way, especially going around the 208 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: gas and then you're gonna be out in the middle 209 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: of the ocean just floating, and and nobody wants to 210 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: be a raft where you don't have any sense of direction. 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: And so the reality is we have to become sailboat. 212 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: And the sailboat takes us acknowledging the way the wind 213 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: is blowing so you can adjust your sails. It takes 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of work, it takes some thought, it 215 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: takes some time, and not just plowing through stuff. And 216 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: I think that's a part of our problem. Um. We 217 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: want to catch up. You know, in society, we've been 218 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: held back so long and we're trying to catch up 219 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: it so we won't acknowledge our motions or the problems, 220 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: and the pain is just too much to acknowledge. So 221 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: we're living denial instead of becoming healthy and whole um, 222 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: which is, you know, if you want to be successful 223 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: in life, it's gonna first start with being healthy and whole. 224 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: Everything else is in an addition to that if you 225 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: want to you know, every million dollars you make is 226 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: has way more value if you're healthy and the whole person. 227 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: But if you are an emotional and mental and spiritual disaster, 228 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: that million dollars is not gonna make you any better. 229 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: I always help people. My my goals in life are 230 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: tied to my experience because not my my money. Because 231 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: if I never go in the deal, I'm gonna be 232 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: honest with the crew. I'm never going to deal trying 233 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: to figure out how much money I'm gonna make. It's 234 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: about the relationships. He's about to what do I get 235 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: out of it for my brand, for my career, because 236 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: I always know that I'm gonna make money. That's just 237 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: that's just an idea. My wife would go, I don't 238 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: know why you ever worry about money, because you're gonna 239 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: make it. You're gonna figure out how to make it. 240 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: And That's just been a skill set I've had since 241 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: I was seventeen eighteen years old, and I've carried it 242 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: through because I'm just a guy who sits around just 243 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: thinking about how to make money, and and and and 244 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: when when I look at your your brand, you know 245 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: you know your entrepreneur, you're an activist, you know you. 246 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: Of course we know your talent from you working on 247 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: this documentary with your new your ninth album. All these 248 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: different layers started where though, you know, because like you said, 249 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: you know, you know, you all you know because your 250 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: father was in your life, your your mom or you 251 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: put you in a situation with what what with a 252 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: man who who physically abused you from a standpoint, struck 253 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: you and whichhich intimidated you, and then put that with 254 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: that decision make you know whether he can come back 255 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: into the house on you okay? And what was you 256 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: supposed to say? No? You know? And so so where 257 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: where where along the way did you start shaping the 258 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: desire to be this be la craze m You know 259 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: what I think, um the journey of all that pain 260 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: and trauma, Um that that the place where I found 261 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the most health was being was expressing myself, you know, 262 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: expressed myself through initially poetry and then it turned into 263 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: music and and that that's a even if you go 264 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: to therapy now they'll tell you that's one of the 265 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: biggest things you need to do. You need to start 266 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: writing things down because something happens with your mind, if 267 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: your brain chemistry. Once you start writing out the things 268 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that that that your experience and it's journal and or 269 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: a diary, it is very helpful for you. And so 270 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: that that's where I learned the healthy technique. The problem 271 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: for me was some of the darkest corners of my world. 272 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: You know, I was not ready to deal with. I 273 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: was not ready to to wrestle with in the process, 274 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: and so it took a mental collapse for me. It 275 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: took me, took my mind and my body having to 276 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: shut down. You know they some people call it Ceo syndrome, 277 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: where the stresses of life just overwhelm you all at 278 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: one one time, and the body keeps the score. So 279 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: your mind may say, well, what happened to me attend 280 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: was was you know, a million years ago, but your 281 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: body is and it might as well have been yesterday. 282 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: So you're just piling up stuff, all the trauma from 283 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: your childhood, and now you're in your adulthood and maybe 284 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: you have kids, and that's adding more stuff. And now 285 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: you're working on deals and you're working on career. All 286 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: this stuff is piling piling up, and if you're not 287 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: addressing it, eventually it's gonna catch up to you. And 288 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: so you have to be able to decompress and address uh, 289 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: those those particular issues in order to find you important 290 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: that people understand that you have to find yourself. And 291 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: despite all my success, la Craze. I didn't really find 292 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: myself till I was in my forties. You know, people 293 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: would tell me, you're showing you successful. But I was 294 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: successful because I accomplished things. Here mean when I say 295 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: that I was successful because I accomplished things, that doesn't 296 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: necessarily meant that I was accomplishing things that made me happy. 297 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I I always speak to people, is 298 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: that you know a lot of people there, they're stopped 299 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: there in their career because guess what, they're not happy 300 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: making money that way, and so guess what, it eventually 301 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: catch up with you. That's why companies file bankruptcy. That's 302 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: why companies closed because the vision or the vision there 303 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: a person, visionary, person who's tied to it, just stopped 304 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: thinking because that didn't make them happy. And so this book, 305 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: when I talk, when I listened to you, it is 306 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: a journey in finding your happiness, because if you don't 307 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: find that happiness, there's not a fifty year old Lakrez 308 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: sixty year old Lakrez that we have today. Am I 309 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: correct when I say that? Absolutely? Absolutely? Yeah? You won't. 310 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: You I won't. It's not gonna, it's not gonna. You're 311 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: never gonna ride there and and and that's you know case. 312 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: And point is that I think a lot of times 313 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: you don't even know the things that will ultimately bring 314 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: you happiness or bring you joy because you haven't done 315 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: enough work to know who you are. And so you're 316 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: looking at what everyone else has, thinking that, well, I 317 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: get what they get, then I'll be happy, then I'll 318 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: be healthy, instead of understanding who you are, and you're 319 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: wiring and and and realizing, no, this is what's gonna 320 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: bring you that. And I had to go through that 321 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: exact same process in me, thinking that if I could 322 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: just be as famous as this person or as renowned 323 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: as this person, And truthfully, that's not the way that 324 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: God created me. You know, I'm I'm an entrepreneur by nature. 325 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: You know, I like performing and I like art. But 326 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm I found a lot more 327 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: purpose when I'm building things and I'm architecting things, and 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm giving other people opportunities. And so when I'm using 329 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: all my energy on creating opportunities for myself, I'm not 330 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: as I'm not as happy. But when I'm creating opportunities 331 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: for other people, you know, then I find more. I 332 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: find it more fulfilling. I want to do good in society, 333 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: but I also want to do well financially, so you 334 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: can do you know, I do it well. You can't 335 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: do good, but you have to be happy doing it 336 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: though for long term. And that's what I'm talking about 337 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: in this interview. I don't want everybody to hear this 338 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: is that you know, you go out there and make 339 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot of money. I would tell people life should 340 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: not be tied to the lottery effect. You know, just 341 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: wait doing that money, waiting that moment. You build a 342 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: career in your and you and you put people around 343 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: you that can support you. I know I've survived this 344 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: career because I've had a couple of key people in 345 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: my life that whenever I doubted myself La Craze, they 346 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: told me be Rashawn, Be Rashawn. They should be You. 347 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: Don't care what they're saying. Do be you now? Be 348 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: you has helped out a lot of people. Here be 349 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: you trust you And because because success man and in 350 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: reading this book and reading about the chaos, reading about 351 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: the trauma, we talk about the molestation, the we can 352 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: talk about the physical abuse. Let's talk about the life abusive. 353 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: As a successful people can go through if you don't 354 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: have the right people around you and you don't admit 355 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: that you need help, right as my goodness. You know 356 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: what's funny if if you the problem for a lot 357 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: of us is that there is freedom in confession, but 358 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: there's always gonna be suffering and suppression and and and 359 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: denial will always lead to death. If you're talking about 360 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: a life threatening disease, right you, you cannot deny that 361 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: you have it. It's gonna be detrimental for you, you know, 362 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: And acknowledging is always painful, but denial is always deadly. 363 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: And that's what I want people to understand. Acknowledging is 364 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: gonna be painful, but denial is deadly. When you can 365 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: acknowledge that you have these issues in your life, then 366 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: it is hurtful. It is painful, It is hard to 367 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: to plow through, but to deny it is deadly for you. 368 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: And so you'll never be who you were created to be. 369 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: You'll never walk in the fullness that you were created 370 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: to walk in if you keep denying you know the 371 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: issues that are going on in your world. And I 372 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of us just don't realize that. Um, 373 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: you know my story is is. Like you said, there's 374 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: there's all the major trauma that you can experience. You know, 375 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: I've gone through them, and so you know, I don't 376 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: care what you've experienced in life. I don't care if 377 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: it's death, division, uh, discrimination, divorce, debt um. All those 378 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: things can be restored if you can acknowledge the pain 379 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: that they have brought you and then move forward. You know, 380 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: when reading your book UH interviewing, look Craze just in 381 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: case people may have just tuned in, you know, his 382 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: book I'm with discussing I am restored, how I lost 383 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: my religion but found my faith. A couple of courses 384 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: I want to bring back up now the book, the album. 385 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: Want to flip to the album right quick, because you're 386 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: doing a documentary tied to the album. Okay, is that 387 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: is that? Is that going to be a documentary. We'll 388 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: see you on like a Netflix or an Amazon. It's 389 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: just something that's available that you're putting out that so 390 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: we can go to your your website, you know, I 391 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: mean your YouTube challenge to see Yeah, so you can 392 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: check this out. It's the video series is UH is 393 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: on YouTube now and and there'll be a longer form 394 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: documentary that will come out down the line. But but 395 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: this this web series, you can see me addressing the 396 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: chaos in my world. You know, I meet my father 397 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: for the very first time on this on this video series, 398 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: and so people are able to see you know that 399 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: you're trying to run a successful business, you're trying to 400 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: raise a family, you're trying to be a leader, and 401 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: you have to deal with meeting your father for the 402 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: first time. And many people would run from that reality 403 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: and say I got way too much of my plate 404 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: to be dealing with that. But I knew that there 405 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: was a piece of me that would not be whole 406 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: until I had that meeting. I didn't have any expectations. 407 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,719 Speaker 1: I wasn't saying, now me and him are gonna be 408 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: best of friends and we're gonna make up for lost time. 409 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: But I knew that I had questions that I wanted 410 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: to add ask and maybe I wouldn't get the answers 411 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: I wanted, But I knew I didn't want to go 412 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: to my grave without asking some of those some of 413 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: those questions, and that's what I thought, Uh, hey man, 414 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: you know I'm Roushan McDonald. I've done a lot of 415 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: great things in my life. But if you put together 416 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: a documentary, let's talk if you if you don't have 417 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: anybody else talking to you, because because I enjoy talking 418 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: to you, and you have a voice that um that 419 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: shapes this world, not just the community, this world. And uh, 420 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: you articulate, you're smart and look good and plus more 421 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: important that you have a story to tell that is 422 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: tied to trauma. It's tied to honesty, and it's tied 423 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: to faith. Okay, let's be real okay, and uh and 424 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: and and it's important that you know I've learned when 425 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: I when I talk to people that have a unique 426 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: point of points of views, that I have to let 427 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: them know what I think. And it's something that you know. 428 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: Your YouTube challenge is great. In fact, I'm I'm I'm 429 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: gonna look at the in you that you have when 430 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: you first met your day and they probably put in 431 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: our newsletter to let people see another side of your 432 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: honest side of you. Because in Hollywood, it's really interesting 433 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: that you know, we're we're put under and that's just 434 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: the celebrities or athletes were put on the microscope based 435 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: on what you know, but not the life that we live. 436 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: When I say that is that, you know, it's we 437 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: have makeup on. When we hit camera, we we we 438 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: speak a certain way. A lot of times we hit 439 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: the camera, we perform a certain way. When we walk 440 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: off that stage and get out of that arena, then 441 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: that's a different life. And sometimes were held accountable to 442 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: what they saw on TV or what they saw in 443 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: the movie or what they saw in the performance. How 444 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: do you deal with that? La Craze mm hmm. Man, 445 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, honestly, you've got to uh, A lot of 446 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: it is discernment. A lot of it is is recognizing 447 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: and realizing that some relationships you walk into, uh, you know, 448 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: relationally and some people walk into transactionally, you know, and 449 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to decide which is which 450 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: because a lot of the relationships in the entertainment space 451 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: are transactional that they may seem like they're relational, and 452 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: people may come at you and say, hey, let's let's 453 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: hang out, let's be friends. But it's gonna take some 454 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: time for you to understand who your real friends are. 455 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: And not to not to allow people who say, you know, 456 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: this is what they think about you, and and not 457 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: to a lot of those voices to dictate who you 458 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: really are. So al looks like being a professional athlete 459 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 1: because everyone's gonna say something from the sideline. But you 460 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: got to realize who your teammates are and who are 461 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: the people who want the best for you. Those are 462 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: the voices that you that you have to listen to. 463 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: And so that's that's one of the biggest things that 464 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: I had to learn early on, is that you know, 465 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: all those voices are not voices that I need to 466 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: listen and read the book look great, um, when you 467 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: brought up Calvinism, Okay, now you know, uh, a very 468 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: few people know Calvinism. You know, I early in my 469 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: college career, I took a European history and I learned 470 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: about the Roman Catholicism and how and how Calvinism was 471 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: born out. They were just tired. It was tired, and 472 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: so so I just smiled when I got to that 473 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: part of your book, I go, wow, I've read a 474 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of books in my life. This is probably the 475 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: first book I read since college that articulated Calvinism. And 476 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: it was important in your development. And so tell everybody 477 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: about that, because that's why I said, Man, you know, 478 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: when I read that, I said, I gotta have a 479 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: bigger part. Well, you're not gonna. I'm based in Atlanta. 480 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: I just bought it. I just bought it for my 481 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 1: office in Atlanta. I'm headquartered here and uh, four quarters 482 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: gonna be amazing. And it was just so many things 483 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: in that book that needs to be you need to 484 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: be talking to other people with it based on it. 485 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: You understand that I'm saying this is a this is 486 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: a series to me, and that you should be interesting, 487 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: that you should be translating that's that's black, that's white, 488 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that's that's feel with different different layers as minority community, 489 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: because like you, like you, I had success as a 490 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: stand up comedian in the white community before death Comedy 491 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: Jam came out there. And then when I proceeded to 492 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: become a go over to death comming and looked at 493 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: me like I didn't blow Hey, uh, you can't make 494 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: black people Okay, don't do that. And I had to 495 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: prove myself. And the same thing with my business world. 496 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: I graduated with a math degree and I worked in 497 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: and went to work for ib AM. I to achieved 498 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: for one with deemed the ultimate passage into the white 499 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: corporate world. I was working for big blue. You know, 500 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: that's all you want, you know, So that wasn't enough 501 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: for me. I said, I wanted to be an entertainer. 502 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: I want to be a stand up comedian. And so 503 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: there's so many layers that that talking to you and 504 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: reading this book allows me to understand that you have 505 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: a unique point of view. That's really this book is cool. 506 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: But man, it's some other stories we gotta tell. Brother, 507 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: you and I gotta tell together. I like that. I 508 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: like that you you you use somebody what we say 509 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: has range, you know what I mean? A lot of 510 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of folks. You know, they can walk in 511 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: a lot of different worlds. That that shows that they 512 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: have some range. They've been exposed to a lot of 513 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: different places. So I finally that interesting that that that 514 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: that you even know some of those those things. It 515 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: just shows your range. So I love it. I might 516 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: have to just just try pull up on your build 517 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: if I was just you know, man, you know the 518 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: fact that you wrote a fantastic book. But but I 519 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: don't want to remiss tell everybody about Calvinism before we 520 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: leave this show, because I tell you something I tell 521 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: that changed my life man in college. But I mean 522 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: about that, man, Lutheranism and Calvinism and gld over to England. 523 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: Oh brother, come on that. Yeah. So so a lot 524 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 1: of times, you know, essentially you you look at the 525 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: Roman Catholic Church and and you saw, like, uh, there 526 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: was a lot of rules that were at it to Bible, 527 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, A lot of a lot 528 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of amendments were made and it became 529 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: seen as gospel truth. And all of this stuff has 530 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: happening in Europe. Meanwhile, the Bible is an Eastern you 531 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: know faith. You know, there was Christianity was in Africa 532 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: long before whatever in Europe. But but but then you 533 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: get you know, John Calvin and Martin Luther and these 534 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: individuals who you know are railing against the Catholic Church 535 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: and uh and and they kind of create what we 536 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: call Protestantism uh today, which is taken root in America, 537 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: which is you know, pretty much what American Christianity is. 538 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: A lot of it is built off of of that perspective, 539 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: which is very European in nature. And so it though, 540 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: and I say this about everything, you know, there's always 541 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: some truth mixed in with the lies. And that's how 542 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: people get fooled, is because there's always some truth mixed 543 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: them with the lives, and so there's lots of great 544 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: uh points and things that I think people can appreciate. 545 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: But you also have to remember that there's a lot 546 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: of cultural nuances that really don't fit who we are 547 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: and are not really applicable to the Bible. And so 548 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: I think people that have to realize that when they 549 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: when they approach it and just realized how much the 550 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: European culture um has been transposed over to us more 551 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: so than actually you guys words transposed. When I read that, 552 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: that opened my eyes. Man, That's why college changed my life. 553 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: I always tell people go to college, college, because high 554 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: school they deny you so many You see what Donald 555 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: Trump trying to do right now. You know, don't live, 556 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: don't want to, don't the truth to be read because 557 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: it acknowledges that when you're trying to take down these 558 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: Confederate statutes, there's a reason not to glorify when you 559 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: realize the folks were attempted and so we call black 560 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: lives matters thugs. You know that that you gain knowledge, information, 561 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: information by being allowed to openly learned. That's what college 562 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: did for me. And when I took that course, man, 563 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: It's like wow, really, and and I want to close 564 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: with this interesting story that you had when you was 565 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: in Egypt and the god was meaning from a religious perspective, 566 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: was from a historical perspective, and she was talking about 567 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: the worst Pharaoh and then you and then you went 568 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: from a religious perspective. She go what you're talking about? 569 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: And so she likes what're talking about because of the 570 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 1: fact that we are so guided by religion that we 571 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: can allow facts to be misinterpreted. And that I'm chancing 572 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: You have a great book, man, you have a great bye. 573 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: I think you just just dude, read my book. Have 574 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: to be respectful and understanding that you didn't. You know, 575 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: you did this for a reason, and your career has 576 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: allowed me to believe that you're trying to change lives. 577 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: And really, in reading this book allowed me to see 578 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: a personal side of you, and then a side of 579 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: you that says, Okay, I gotta do better, I gotta 580 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: do better. I wake up with that whole attitude I 581 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: gotta do better, and I gotta do better, not for 582 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: myself because I feel that I do this podcast because 583 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make other people do better or hear 584 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: better or learn better or get some facts about it. 585 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: This interview I'm doing with you is an open interview 586 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: about people hearing about somebody who's telling them. Go by 587 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: this book because it enabled Rashan McDonald's see some things 588 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: about La Cree that enables me to understand that I 589 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: can do better. I can be honest about myself. If 590 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I feel there's a dark side of me, tell somebody 591 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: it's all right, it's all good. That's your book, man, 592 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: that I appreciate you, Lacreze, I really do, man. And 593 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: like I said, this is my second time interview, and 594 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: you and I the first time. It's a good interview, 595 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: But this is an interview from from a sole perspective 596 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: that uh our journeys are definitely gonna be uh even 597 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: bigger in the future, man, because you're special, Lucreze. And 598 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: I think you at the ninth album dropping, you know, 599 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: dropped in August. You got October thirte The book comes 600 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: out um on YouTube right now as a series. But 601 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: you and I, You and I got to my backyard. 602 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: I got a little lake. Man, We're gonna go fishing. 603 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: That's where I go. That's where I go to La craze. 604 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: Life is bad for me. I have to go down 605 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: there and wash that water. That water at water at 606 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: water calms me, man, because and and and and and 607 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: my property. It drops down just enough. Well, I can't 608 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: see any cars. No, I can't see anything. And it 609 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: just allowed me to look at that water, man, and uh, 610 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,719 Speaker 1: catch your fish and throw it right back and give 611 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: it back to God. Man. That's what I do. Brother, Man, 612 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: I love your brother. Thank you for taking the time. Man. 613 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: I hope this was a nice journey talking about the 614 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: part of your life that was very personal but more 615 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: important to book. I am restored how I lost my 616 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: religion but found my faith on sale October. Thank you, brother. 617 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: If we have no Money Making Conversation interviews, please go 618 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: to money Making Conversation dot com. 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