WEBVTT - Dogwhistle Politics and Nazi Code Hunting 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:06.160 Cool media. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.800 This is it could happen here, a show about things 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.520 falling apart. I'm Garrison Davis. This episode, I'm joined by 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:14.240 Mia Wong. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.280 Mia. I have some upsetting news. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:23.080 Oh no, which is frankly one of the best ways 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.080 to start in this episode and one of the best 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.600 ways to start the show. So I'm pretty sure that 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:33.080 I found this account called uh, let's see at Haill Hitler, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.800 and I think he's posting some things that is. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.760 A little bit fascist. Oh wow. 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.960 I have decoded some of at Hell Hitler's communications and 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:46.080 I have uncovered a secret a secret Nazi code. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.360 Wow. This is. This is an incredibly unexpected revelation from 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:51.080 Hailed Hitler. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.120 He has posted some pictures in like what I would 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:57.000 assume is some kind of military uniform that looks like 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.920 I don't know it's it's some kind of like like 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.560 Germanic military inform. But I've noticed that there are some 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.399 runes on this uniform that look very similar to the 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.760 Odal rune. So I'm thinking because of the ruine, this 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.160 guy might be a Nazi. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.399 Thank you for your work, Harison. We could never have 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.480 determined this. That's right, I am. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:22.880 You can find me at osent to Defender Online. No, 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.440 that doesn't for us today, and it could happen here now. 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.479 So this emisode, we're gonna talk about something that's been 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:32.320 slowly frustrating me the past few weeks, and that is 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:38.200 the misapplication of dog whistles. And let's just get right 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:43.679 into it. People have been noticing patterns, noticing trends in 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:50.560 official communications from the dhs gov online accounts, which now 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.960 is the main way the government sends out communications, unfortunately, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.120 especially on X the Everything app. But this, this extends 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.360 outside of of X the Everything after, this extends outside 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.760 of Blue Sky the Internet in general. This is about 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:11.200 how we understand the messaging of fascists and understand how 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.760 rhetoric and anti fascist like education works, and ways that 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.840 I think it's currently being misapplied. 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.480 So bear with me. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.720 This is going to be kind of an odd episode, 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.040 but I think I think it's worth it because I 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.639 don't want us falling into the same traps that we 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.240 maybe fell into eight years ago. So let's let's let's 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.119 start by talking about some communications posted on the internet 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.680 by at dhs gov. A picture of a painting titled 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.960 American Progress by John Gast, captioned a heritage to be 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:52.760 proud of, comma a homeland worth defending. So on the surface, 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.960 you know, maybe a slightly hashtag problematic sentiment here with 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.480 a hashtag problematic painting or at the very least of 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.799 painting depicting the genocide of Native Americans and Indigenous people 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:11.720 specifically with like a white supremacist outlook, with this enlarged 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.600 white woman bathed in a white cloak, bringing forth that 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:20.519 the tide of quote unquote progress as Indigenous people are 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.760 are forced to flee from the edge of the painting. 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.200 It's it's fun because this is a painting we literally 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.600 when they had to explain manifest destiny like colonialism good. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.480 This is the painting that was in my textbook in 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.640 high school. Is three class like and it is like 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.960 the er, the er colonialism good, genocide, good. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.840 Painting, genocide good. That that's what the painting is. But 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.839 what I have found through some hashtag research, there might 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.440 be a hidden code in this, in this communication from 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.120 the DHS, who already an agency that only has the 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.320 best interests and of really all people who strive for 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.080 human rights, the DHS. So if you count all of 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:06.880 the words in the tweet, guess how many words there 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:11.320 are in this tweet? Mea fifteen no, so close, so close, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:16.520 fourteen fourteen words in this tweet, which might remind you 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:22.560 of the fourteen words the Nazi signifier, which I probably 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.800 just explain. Surely most people listening to this is familiar 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.360 with the fourteen words, since it seems everybody thinks they 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:34.680 are an armchair expert on fascist rhetoric. But the fourteen 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:39.240 words we must secure the existence of our people and 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:44.799 a future for white children. This became a popular hashtag 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:49.600 dog whistle, especially in the past. I would say ten 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:56.600 fifteen years, usually by implanting fourteen's and usually fourteen eighty 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.200 eights with eighty eight meaning Hyle Hitler because each is 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.960 the eighth letter of the alphabet. This became a common 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.200 Nazi tag. You could see this in graffiti, You see 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.360 this embedded into into posts, see this in like Nazi artwork. 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:15.679 And going back to this DHS post, we cannot only 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.320 count fourteen words in this tweet. This is actually a 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.880 fourteen eighty eight because two of the h's in this 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:28.440 in this post are capitalized unusually, and that means hal 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.160 Hitler Wow because hc eighth letter uh huh oh but wait, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.760 actually looking at this post again, there's actually other words 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.280 in this tweet that are also unusually capitalized. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:39.640 But don't worry. I don't worry. 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.520 This is still a dog whistle because those other words 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.320 that are capitalized in the first sentence are the letters 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.080 A and D, which, if you convert those into numbers, 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.400 are one in four, So it's actually another fourteen. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.200 Oh wow, we're doing We're doing numerology. We're doing jamatria, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.559 where we've become Q and on so back. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.320 So if you cannot tell by my thinly veiled sarcasm 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:09.840 in that last section, I think this methodology is a 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:10.680 little bit silly. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:12.680 What are we doing? What are we doing here? 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.880 We're converting capitalized letters in the first half of a 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.320 tweet into numbers and then rearranging the order of those 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.159 letters to get a fourteen eighty eight. It's literally jerbatria, 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:25.760 and then also counting the total words in the whole 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.560 suite while still disregarding the capitalizations in the last four 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.880 words for another fourteen What are we doing? How is 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.760 this the piece of evidence that sinks sinks the Trump 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.599 administration and finally proves that they're fascist. You can just 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.800 look at all of the fascist policies the Trump administration 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:49.040 is enacting. Instead of doing numerology on tweets, people are thinking, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.400 ha ha ha, I have decoded the secret Nazi message 0:06:53.720 --> 0:07:00.720 with a HHD one eight eight fourteen. Nice trigroypers. Meanwhile, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.839 you can just look at the actual text of the post. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.920 You can look at the painting. Both of those things 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:11.800 have an inherent fascist quality. It's literally defending the concept 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:17.920 of ethnic genocide, of manifest destiny. While the administration, the 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:21.760 DHS is currently furthering as no nationalist policies. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:25.280 They are doing this. This is homeland security, right. I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.280 don't know if people realize that ICE is a part 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.160 of homeland security, but like, this is the agency that 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:31.400 is literally. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.520 Rounding people up and sending them to camps. We have 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.880 camps in multiple countries now. But I say they're being 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.760 round up and sent to camps. It's genuinely unclear whether 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.160 what I'm talking about is the fucking concentration camp in Florida. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.840 Sea Coat in nol Salvador. Yeah, I mean I think 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:49.760 people have now escape, so I can't technically call the 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.880 Honduras want a death camp. But like, again, there's any 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.040 people in South Udan, They're like, they're just doing this, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:57.600 Like what are we doing here? 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:02.360 So this episode I want to focus on how people 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.800 are misusing anti fascist education, or I would argue they're 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.200 misusing anti fascist education and kind of missing the forest 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:14.200 for a cardboard cutout of trees, not even trees, kind 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.360 of something that could be a tree if you look 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.520 at it from one angle, but maybe isn't actually a 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.640 real tree. And you don't need to sound like a 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.280 da Vinci Code conspiracy theorist to point out the obvious, 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:31.600 like dog whistles don't matter if the regular whistle is 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:38.360 already fascist. If they're just saying things openly and doing things, 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.480 what purpose does a dog whistle? And this is something 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.840 that we're going to discuss. Are not just saying this 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.280 and closing the episode, We're going to get into these 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:54.240 And I think part of what's happening here everybody is 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:58.840 so cooked by the paranoid style of American politics. Everyone 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:04.560 is it's so eager to decode the hidden messages that 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.240 we're missing what's right in front of us. QAnon has 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.959 a total victory. Qwanon does not really exist in the 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.679 way that it did in twenty eighteen. That the q 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:19.040 Andon cult and conspiracy theory as like a singular cultish 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.400 project is kind of no more. But q Andon has 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.720 a cultural victory over the entire United States, and not 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.240 just on the right wing, not just on Mega. So 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:32.160 much of American politics now is litigating who is and 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.640 is not a pedophile, who is and is not trafficking children, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.760 who can notice which events are staged, who can notice 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.320 hidden codes, who can decode anonymous messages on the Internet, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.880 And this is what like everything is, And like the 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.800 real turning point I think for the right wing was 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.080 probably the twenty twenty election, in like a massive fracture 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.680 from reality in which they think that election was legitimately stolen. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.760 And obviously there was many events leading up to that 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.199 which which contributed to this. Yeah, And I think one 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.840 of the biggest fracture points for liberals was the attempted 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.600 assassination of Donald Trump, with people creating whole new alternate 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.199 realities that that event was staged. And because that door 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.120 is opened now I'm seeing such a massive flood of 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.079 things that I would label as blueing on conspiracy theories, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:20.560 which is kind of a nonsense term, but it gets 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.000 the point across and I'm gonna do a whole piece 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.440 on bluing on very soon. I've been collecting blueing on 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.520 conspiracy theories for a while, but I want to do 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.440 something specifically about this fourteen eighty eight and like secret 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.360 codes thing, because it's so evocative of like, you know, 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.800 Q drops, and it's evocative of, you know, searching for 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:43.360 Masonic codes, something that American conspiracy theorists have been doing 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.280 for generations. And we're to talk about that more and 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.440 read a little bit of an essay on that topic 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.720 after this ad break, and I will let you know 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:55.800 there's gonna be two messages in the ad break that 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.360 if you decode, you win a special prize at the 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.760 end of the episode, So make sure you listen to 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.200 every single second of the ad in case you miss 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:18.800 the code. Okay, we are back, speaking of the paranoid 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.360 style in American politics. I want to quote a few 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.400 sections to kind of frame what I'm talking about here. 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.160 This was an essay written in the sixties by Richard 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:37.920 hoff Setter Hoffstetter Richard Hoffstetter one of the first like 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:43.160 modern pieces on American conspiracy culture and politics. I'm gonna 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.640 I have three paragraphs here that I that I selected 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.720 as being relevant to the current the current topic at hand. 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:50.280 Quote. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.840 There is a style of mind that is far from 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:56.800 new and that is not necessarily right wing. I call 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.880 it the paranoid style simply because no other word added 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:05.160 evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.240 that I have in mind. Nothing really prevents a sound 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.880 program or demand from being advocated in the paranoid style. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.199 Style has more to do with the way in which 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.560 ideas are believed than with the truth or falsity of 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.400 their contact. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:21.520 Unquote. 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.679 And I like that section specifically because fourteen eighty eight 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.000 is a real dog whistle. We can see this used. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.160 There is aspects of people who are trying to search 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.760 for this and trying to search for patterns in the 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.319 communications of an admittedly fascistic government agency that I find 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:43.240 like sympathetic, Like can I can understand because Yeah, that 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.679 is a real dog whistle. I'm going to continue the quote. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:46.120 Quote. 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:50.720 The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.920 He traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.080 whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:02.400 always manning the barricades of civilization. He constantly lives at 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.600 a turning point. Like religious millenarianists, he expresses the anxiety 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.280 of those who are living through the last days, and 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.880 he is sometimes disposed to set a date for the apocalypse. 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.800 As a member of the avant garde who is capable 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.319 of perceiving the conspiracy before it is fully obvious to it. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.679 As of yet to unaroused public, the paranoid is a 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:28.360 militant leader. Demand for total triumph leads to the formulation 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.800 of hopelessly unrealistic goals, and since these goals are not 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:38.080 even remotely attainable, failure constantly heightens the paranoid's sense of frustration. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:39.120 Quote. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:43.120 Hofstetter is talking about something that that me and Robert 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.200 specifically have have discussed a lot on this show before. 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:51.800 How everyone in America wants to have access to secret information. 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.160 M h. Everyone wants to. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:58.800 Have the exclusive piece of secret intel that will solve everything, 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:03.480 and like having having that informational exclusivity in a world 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.920 of information saturation, right of a vortex of like meaningless noise. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.760 It's it's such a romantic idea that that I alone 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:15.160 have the info or the clue to pieces together, and 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:19.240 it's my duty to inform the masses. It's a very 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.040 romantic notion, and. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:26.200 It's also one that is exactly perfectly anti suited for 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.160 the moment we live in, which is actually just a 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.560 moment where everything that is happening is just so clearingly literal, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:35.080 like it's all out of the oden, Like what is 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.800 happening with the Trump administration. Okay, in twenty twenty, there 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.560 is a massive uprising to attempt to attempt to fundamentally 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.600 change like the structurally racist nature of the United States, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.280 to deal with its fucking class inequalities, to deal with 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.600 the structural violence of the state. This was reacted to 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.680 by a massive fascist movement that spent half a decade 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.080 gaining power and then finally took power in the form 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.200 of like a bunch of pistol petite bourgeois fucking car 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:06.600 dealers and like literally a billionaire real estate mogul backed 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.320 by the richest tech company guy in the world, right, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.680 and they came together to build fascism. This is the 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:18.720 most straightforward, like if this is a conception of how 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.600 a fascist takeover works, that he's so thuddingly literal that 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:28.840 It defies narrativization because it's just there. There's no subtlety 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.680 to it. They're just saying it. They just want to 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.480 do it, and they're doing it. But everyone is convinced 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.640 that there's like some kind of secret hitting conspiracy and 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.200 it's like no, they're just doing the thing that they're saying. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.240 Yeah, you can argue that we have a griper occupied 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:47.680 government not because of counting words and posts, but because 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.440 of not only who they're bringing on for DOGE, but 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.560 literally Ice in DHS as of today, which I'm recording 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.720 this on Wednesday, I think because this comes out Wednesday night, 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.680 are copying like Patriot Front style tactics of loading up 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:04.440 ICE agents in U haul style rentable trucks to hunt 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.280 down people to assault and kidnap, like they're just copying 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.240 the Patriot Front playbook. Here, the ICE director said that 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.200 he wants an Amazon like mass deportation system, calling it 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:21.000 quote unquote Amazon Prime, but with human beings. They're saying this, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.760 you can listen to the actual words. I'm going to 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.160 read another quote here from the Paranoid Style of American 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.240 Politics essay quote. A final characteristic of the paranoid style 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.720 is related to the quality of its pedantry. One of 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.960 the impressive things about paranoid literature is the contrast between 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:45.280 its fantasized conclusions and the almost touching concern with factuality 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:49.760 it invariably shows. It produces heroic strivings for evidence to 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.520 prove that the unbelievable is the only thing that can 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:57.440 be believed respectable. Paranoid literature not only starts from certain 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:02.040 moratal commitments that can indeed be justified, but also carefully 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.720 and all but obsessively accumulates quote unquote evidence. The paranoid 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:12.000 seems to have little expectation for actually convincing a hostile world, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.399 but he can accumulate evidence in order to protect his 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:20.080 cherished convictions from it unquote. And I think that gets 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.560 into the psychological mechanisms on why people are doing this, 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.520 this naze code hunting. It's actually a form of self coping, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.160 looking at the horrific state of the federal government, looking 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.760 at the brazenness in which ICE is operating, and this 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.639 is a self preservation mechanism. Someone on Blue Sky that 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.560 I was talking to about this is like arguing, like 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.560 Ice doesn't need to dog whistle, they have no reason 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.760 to like dog whistling is for trying to like sneakily 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.000 get racists or fascist into power while signaling to a 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.120 nationalistic base that they are like one of them. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:54.560 Right, But these guys are. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.600 Already in power, and the base already knows that they're 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.040 in power. There's no point in dog whistle. They're just 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.880 using ice to establish an ethno state. They're using explicit 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.240 ethno state rhetoric. In a post from this morning which 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.600 has one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.679 ten words not fourteen ten words, Wow, DHS said quote, 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:22.320 serve your country, defend your culture, no undergraduate degree required. 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.320 Defend your culture. It's not about locking up criminal migrants. 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:30.680 It's about defending a culture from its destruction through ethnic 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:35.000 demographic shifts. It's they're not trying to obscure what they're 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:36.680 doing in the slightest No. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.320 And I want to return to something else that the 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:41.560 Hofstater said that in that second paragraph that you read 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.000 about how like one of the central conceits is that like, 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.480 you know, there's this giant conspiracy that's being unleashed and 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.800 the American public doesn't know anything about it, and like, yeah, 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.480 you can. You know, it is distressing to a large extent, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.760 the extent to which people just don't know what the 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.720 government is doing. But also like if you look at 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.800 any pulling at all, but anything the people are doing, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.560 everyone hates it. There isn't like a secret thing that 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.439 you can say to convince people that they're that all 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.080 these people are Nazis, because it's like and that's not 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.520 even a particularly useful project because everyone fucking hates them already, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.160 like trying to fight this in the realm of sort 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.520 of the accumulation of the evidence of conspiracy instead of 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.439 in the realm of like, Hi, i'm your neighbor, you 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.440 also fucking hate this. Let's go fucking like do this 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.600 should people are doing in la and like follow these 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.320 fucking ice fans around, right, That is stuff that people 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:34.600 are doing, but it doesn't have the kind of like 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.240 instant emotional gratification and register of trying to like accumulate 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.640 hordes of secret knowledge, so people do it less even 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:44.600 though it's less effective. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.719 In my discussion of this, like online on various cursed 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.399 social media sites, I've gotten a lot of pushback to 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:56.320 my pushback of these tactics and what I see as 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.480 a sort of like abuse of anti fascist education, right, 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.720 because people like you know, Robert Evans, myself, you know, 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.479 Molly Conger spent the past eight years trying to actually, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.439 you know, educate people about like Nazi rhetoric, like in 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.960 like Nazi signals and dog whistles, right, and as an 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:13.640 attempt to. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.119 Hopefully prevent them from expanding their power. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:21.239 And we may have succeeded in education, but we may 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.880 have failed in the prevention. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:26.720 Of them seizing power. 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:29.640 And that also makes me kind of question the effectiveness 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:33.240 of certain tactics. And it's now very odd to see 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.399 things that we you know, argued for visibility around to 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.160 kind of be used in ways that don't really make sense. 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.000 That it's it's it's kind of like trying to tame 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:47.679 a monster that you've partially created. And it's so frustrating 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.080 to me because, I mean, one person who I was 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.439 lightly arguing about this on line was was saying, like, 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.879 this is not numerology, and we don't have to be 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:02.000 just okay with a clear attempt to normal white nationalist rhetoric. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.399 And like, first of all, like codes aren't rhetoric. Codes 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:11.440 are codes, and the textual fascist sentence is the rhetoric. 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.320 What they're actually like saying which has like proto fascist 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:20.440 or fascistic aspects, that is the rhetoric and they're doing it. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.920 Is there somebody out there in twenty twenty five who's 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.680 gonna finally realize that DHS as an agency has fascistic 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.439 underpinnings via a chronically online Twitter user explaining that if 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.479 you count words and turn certain captize letters into numbers, 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.680 it makes a secret Nazi message. 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.040 Is there one person is going to become convinced to us? No, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:41.640 that's not the purpose. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.879 And so trying to conceptize this is like we have 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:47.639 to make sure we call out the use of Nazi 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.560 rhetoric that doesn't apply to this specific thing that we're 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:52.240 talking about. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.639 Yeah, and also like I think, you know, like I 0:21:55.400 --> 0:21:57.520 think we've sort of kind of just to some extent, 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.960 we've just failed on the normalization for it, because again, 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.560 like it's the President of the United States. Yeah, this 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.119 is the official account of the Department of Homeland Security. 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:08.560 It has already become normalized because they have power. The 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.480 only way to denormalize it is not actually to do 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:16.040 media critique. It's to like actually oppose them. But that's scary, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:18.240 that's scary. Report to marry Meia. Do you know what's 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.600 easy posting on X the everything app Yeah, this is 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:26.000 how this kind of conspiratorial worldview actually empowers the state, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:30.199 because the central conceit of the conspiratorial worldview is that 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.920 there is a nearly all powerful agency that controls in 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.960 apparatus that enables it to basically control any events that 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.800 it wants. Right, this is why you can stage things. 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:40.480 This is why I can recollection. This is why it 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.879 can like I don't know, like it can just like 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.879 magically like disappear anyone. It can replace them with anyone. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.240 It can stage any protest movement it wants to, right, 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.919 And I think you've seen this a lot in the 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.240 American case, where like I see people who are like 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.639 genuinely well meaning leftists who are convinced that if you 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.639 do anything to resist the American State, you will immediately 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:03.200 be killed because the American state is all powerful and irresistible. 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:06.800 And that's just fascist propaganda. Yeah, you're falling victim to 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.159 the panoptic house. Yeah, but it's fascist propaganda that fits 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.160 into the narrative structure of conspiracy. And because the state 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:19.160 is dangerous, right and can hurt you, it's very very 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.159 easy to you know, accumulate structures of evidence that support 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:25.639 the emotional sort of core of this thing that is 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.640 just literally fascist propaganda. People are resisting the state every day, right, 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.639 Why is ICE fucking doing patriot prayer tactics and fucking 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.120 like hiding people in like fucking U hauls to jump 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:37.800 out and grab people. It's because when they tried to 0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:40.000 fucking mass we stomp them, right. 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.399 And when they drive around in their cars and you 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:43.000 can see them. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:44.440