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Speaker 2: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 1: So, if you are experiencing chronic back pain, long COVID, fibroids, migraines,

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Speaker 1: Our quote of the day, So our quote of the

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Speaker 2: keep on pushing. But my doctor definitely when I asked

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Speaker 2: about the referral, definitely was like, oh, we can get

435
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Speaker 2: you an antibiotics so we can train it and do this.

436
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Speaker 2: But I didn't even know. This was so new to me.

437
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I didn't know that there was another option

438
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Speaker 2: that I should have, you know, gone in a different direction.

439
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Speaker 2: So I'm glad that you stated that. And then as

440
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Speaker 2: far as talking about it with other people, that was

441
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Speaker 2: also key for me. I remember one night I was

442
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Speaker 2: talking to a friend and I was just like, I'm

443
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Speaker 2: sorry to keep on talking about this thing, because I

444
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Speaker 2: don't ever want to be a pest. I don't ever

445
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Speaker 2: want to be like a burden. But I was like,

446
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Speaker 2: I'm really in a lot of discomfort and pain and

447
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Speaker 2: this is like not going away, and I just felt

448
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Speaker 2: like talking about it would help. And she was so

449
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Speaker 2: gracious and was like, oh, it's cool, Like keep on

450
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Speaker 2: talking about it. But that was so helpful, just being

451
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Speaker 2: able to even though the person couldn't do anything, it's

452
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Speaker 2: just like, let me just let you know what I'm

453
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Speaker 2: experiencing because it's still top of mind. For me, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that takes us so on to number three, which

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Speaker 2: is reduce stress in your life. Okay, reduce stress in

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Speaker 2: your life. It's a little challenging to do that when

457
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Speaker 2: you have a newborn that's not sleeping throughout the night,

458
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Speaker 2: because that can be a little stressful and you're a

459
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Speaker 2: little sleep deprived. Yeah, not saying that's my situation, hint, hint,

460
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Speaker 2: but yeah, reduce stress from your life because we know

461
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Speaker 2: that stress just adds on whatever pain that you might

462
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Speaker 2: be experiencing. So, whether it's a job, of relationship, I mean,

463
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Speaker 2: whatever it might be, that stuff might have to go.

464
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: And the reality too is that some of that, some

466
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Speaker 1: of the chronic pain that you may be experiencing, may

467
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Speaker 1: be due to stress, right, And so thinking about how

468
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Speaker 1: much of a role to stress play in your condition

469
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Speaker 1: and how much, realistically, again, based on your unique situation,

470
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Speaker 1: can the stress reduction really reduce your symptoms. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think reducing stress is really important. The next tip

472
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Speaker 1: is about eating a healthy diet, and lady, if you're

473
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Speaker 1: listening to this, then the most one of our more

474
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Speaker 1: recent episodes, Cultivating a Dynamic Relationship with Food, Season twelve,

475
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Speaker 1: Episode four, we talk with a registered dietitian, Vanessa Risotto,

476
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Speaker 1: and risetto sorry, and she speaks to us about what

477
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Speaker 1: it means the importance of having a healthy diet, and

478
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Speaker 1: what a healthy diet truly looks like and how attainable

479
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Speaker 1: it really is to have a healthy diet. Because I

480
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Speaker 1: also know the thing is is that at least I'm

481
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Speaker 1: only again, I'm only speaking for myself here. Is that

482
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Speaker 1: sometimes when we are experiencing stress or looking for ways

483
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Speaker 1: to feel better, we turn to food for that help

484
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Speaker 1: to cope, right and so or like in the wintertime,

485
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Speaker 1: like we turn to like heavier carbodes to make ourselves

486
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Speaker 1: feel better. And so thinking about and working with your

487
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Speaker 1: registered dietitian to figure out what are your current health

488
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Speaker 1: circumstances and what a healthy diet might look like to

489
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Speaker 1: aid in your healing from your chronic pain.

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Speaker 2: Do you hit the nail on the head with that one?

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Speaker 2: Don I love it? I love it, and I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: I would say the next one is to find ways

493
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Speaker 2: to relax and fill your time to distract yourself from

494
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Speaker 2: the pain. So for me, I couldn't really take a

495
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Speaker 2: lot of walks, but taking baths it was really great.

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Speaker 2: For me, and I told y'all my owle situation one day.

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Speaker 2: It actually got to the point where it made me

498
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Speaker 2: like work from or not even work. It made me

499
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Speaker 2: like stay in the bed, and so I was literally

500
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: I had to prop my foot up. Luckily my husband

501
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: was super helpful prop my foot up in the bed.

502
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: I just binge watched some shows and that was the

503
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Speaker 2: way that I distracted myself or FaceTime my siblings or

504
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Speaker 2: my friends and stuff like that. So I think that's

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Speaker 2: also another you know, we always talk about self care,

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Speaker 2: this is another tip you can use to prioritize your

507
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Speaker 2: self care and do what makes you feel good. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great one, right, is like, as

509
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Speaker 1: you're working on your healing, distract yourself from those moments

510
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Speaker 1: right of pain as you're working on getting the treatments necessary.

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Speaker 3: I think that that's really really helpful.

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Speaker 1: And so then our next tip is within that and

513
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Speaker 1: finding our ways to relax is to be kind to yourself.

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Speaker 1: So self compassion and you know, I'm just gonna pause

515
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Speaker 1: and just be real for a moment in terms of

516
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: how the term self compassion has been like thrown out

517
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: there a lot, right, which means that oftentimes the real

518
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: meaning of it gets taken away from it, and so

519
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Speaker 1: just wanting to be clear that being kind to ourselves,

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Speaker 1: showing ourselves some compassion is so important in these moments.

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Speaker 1: So you know, t going back to your example with

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Speaker 1: your toe and remembering that, you know what, as much

523
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Speaker 1: as you want to have that perfect pedicure, right, yes, right,

524
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Speaker 1: being kind to yourself looks like, Okay, so my toe

525
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Speaker 1: is in pain, I'm gonna cut an opening in my

526
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Speaker 1: favorite pair of socks so that my toe can breathe, right,

527
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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to beat myself up about having

528
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Speaker 1: to do this right, And I'm not going to be

529
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Speaker 1: down on myself because I can't go get the perfect

530
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Speaker 1: pedicure right now. But instead I will cut up my

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Speaker 1: favorite sock so that that one toe could be comfortable, right,

532
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna remind myself that I'm doing all the

533
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Speaker 1: things within my control to take care of myself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it being kind to yourself and offering self compassion.

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00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: And also, like I would add a little little bullet

536
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Speaker 2: point underneath that one, and I talked about gratitude earlier

537
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: when I was even in the midst of the pain,

538
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Speaker 2: like I was still finding other things in life that

539
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Speaker 2: I was grateful for. So one of the things that

540
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Speaker 2: came up for me in that time, I think I

541
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Speaker 2: may have textured this down. I was like, well, yes,

542
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: this is painful, I'm going to the situation. But the

543
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: great thing about this is that I believe that this

544
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Speaker 2: is going to pass, Like this procedure that doctor did,

545
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Speaker 2: it is going to work out. It's going to be great,

546
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: and then I'll be able to share this experience about

547
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: chronic pain that I've dealt with for the past four

548
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Speaker 2: months with other women or other listeners of the podcast,

549
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: and hopefully we were able to have a productive conversation

550
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: that will offer an ounce of hope or light in

551
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: someone else's life. And so for me, that was like

552
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: the silver lining in the situation. And so it feels

553
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: good to be on the other side of it and

554
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: now be talking about it. But I think also leaning

555
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Speaker 2: into gratitude as we're you know, being kind to ourselves

556
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Speaker 2: and thinking about all the other things that I am

557
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Speaker 2: grateful for. So yes, yes, and then we have number seven.

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Speaker 2: Number seven. Now I feel like I should just pass

559
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Speaker 2: this one of you because I feel like this was

560
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: probably one of your face. It's one of mine too, but.

561
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Speaker 1: Yes, you know this is one of my faves. So

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Speaker 1: to number seven is to seek professional help, remembering that

563
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Speaker 1: you are not alone. You don't have to go through

564
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Speaker 1: this by yourself. And professional help may look like talking

565
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Speaker 1: to your therapists. It may look like talking to your

566
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: primary care doctor to get connected to the specialists who

567
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Speaker 1: can treat your condition.

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00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It may also, depending on the type of condition that

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Speaker 1: you are experiencing, it may also look like seeking compensation. Right. So,

571
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: if your current chronic pain is due to a job

572
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: related injury, right, you may need to seek compensation for that.

573
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: If your current condition has kept you from working, then

574
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Speaker 1: you may be eligible to receive a disability check. So

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Speaker 1: figuring out what exactly is the professional help that could

576
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Speaker 1: benefit you the most.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, Tom, you added all the perspectives up in

578
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: there asking you Okay, that was great. I love it.

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Speaker 2: I love it, And we're just going to do a

580
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: quick recap lady before we jump into the guided meditation.

581
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Speaker 2: So we have number one way all options available to you.

582
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Speaker 2: Number two, talk about what you're going through. Number three,

583
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: reduce stress in your life. Number four, eat a healthy diet.

584
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Number five find ways to relax and fill your time

585
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: to distract you from the pain. Number six, be kind

586
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: to yourself, and number seven seek professional help.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, as you are working through your pain,

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Speaker 1: let us take this guided meditation to help you sit

589
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Speaker 1: with this. So, lady, I want you to close your eyes,

590
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: get in the position that is physically most comfortable for you,

591
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Speaker 1: because I want to acknowledge that for some of us,

592
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: the pain we're experiencing dictates how we're able to sit

593
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: or lie down. So get into the position that is

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Speaker 1: most comfortable for you and close your eyes. And Lady,

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Speaker 1: as you close your eyes, I want you to imagine

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Speaker 1: the color orange.

597
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Speaker 3: And as you think.

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Speaker 1: Of the color orange, the color orange is connected to

599
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Speaker 1: our sacral chakra, which taps into our feet. And so

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Speaker 1: sit for a moment with the color orange.

601
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Speaker 2: What are the.

602
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Speaker 1: Feelings that are coming up for you right now in

603
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Speaker 1: this space? And as you identify those feelings, I want

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Speaker 1: you to then ease into the color green. And with

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00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: the color green, which is connected to our heartshop room,

606
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: which symbolizes tranquility and serenity, I want you to be

607
00:34:53,280 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: at ease with the current feelings you are experiencing. And

608
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: now I want us to think about that orange and

609
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: green that we see, and then visualize your favorite place

610
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Speaker 1: in the world, whether it's the beach, the mountains, your

611
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: living room. Imagine your favorite place and tap into the

612
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Speaker 1: colors of orange and green in.

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Speaker 3: That space.

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Speaker 1: And sit with that for another moment, and when you're ready,

615
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: you can open your eyes.

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Speaker 2: That was beautiful. Now I have a lot of distractions

617
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: in our background, so I'm going to re listen to

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Speaker 2: this episode when it airs so that I can actually

619
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Speaker 2: go through the meditation, the entire meditation. I'm like the

620
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Speaker 2: monitor noise this, but this was really really good. How

621
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Speaker 2: did that feel for you?

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Speaker 1: You know, when I do meditations, I have to when

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Speaker 1: I'm actually facilitating the meditation, I have to remind myself

624
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: that I'm the one facilitating because meditations meditations are so

625
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: calming and relaxing for me that I usually go.

626
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Speaker 3: To sleep, so like I nod off, and so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to remember, oh, wait, you are the

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Speaker 1: one guiding this meditation.

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Speaker 3: Stay awake, girls, stay awake, right.

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Speaker 2: You know I totally understand that. Okay, So this was

631
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Speaker 2: super super helpful. The conversation, I mean, this was good

632
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: for me included because this journey is still so I'm

633
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: still so close to the journey, So I appreciate you

634
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: for doing the meditation. Dom, And then, Lady, as you listen,

635
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: we want to just let you know and remind you

636
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Speaker 2: that we literally have I think we're like over one

637
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty episodes now, and so you, lady, if

638
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: you enjoy this conversation, go check the archives we have.

639
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Speaker 2: What are we in season twelve?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, season twelve.

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Speaker 2: Twelve seasons so much content. We talk about everything from

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Speaker 2: mommy issues, daddy issues, and fertility, miscarriages, narcissists, imposter syndrome,

643
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: healthy eating. I mean it runs the gamut, okay, like

644
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: feminine hygiene, all that good stuff. So you can literally

645
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: just google a keyword along with our podcast name that

646
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: you can find what you're looking for. And I would

647
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Speaker 2: say that we have about three episodes that come implement

648
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Speaker 2: this episode really well. We have season eight, episode six,

649
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Speaker 2: which is what we never learned about health, food and

650
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Speaker 2: disease with Tahudi Maharra. We have season eight episode ten,

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Speaker 2: Ambiguous Grief, grievingly you can't get closure. And then Dom,

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Speaker 2: you named another episode that I don't have with me

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Speaker 2: right now? What episode was that with Vanessa?

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Speaker 1: That was season twelve, Episode four, Cultivating a Dynamic Relationship

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Speaker 1: with Food.

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Speaker 2: There we go, So, lady, if you enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 2: Just drop us in green hearts that we know you

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Speaker 2: tuned in and we will catch you next time.

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Speaker 1: Hey, lady's doctor dom here from the Cultivating her Space podcast.

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