WEBVTT - How Bonsai Works 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.280 Welcome to you stuff you should know front House Stuff 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:12.799 Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.759 Josh Clark, There's Charles W Chuck Bryant. I've decided to 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:23.599 talk about speed right now. Oh yeah, how's it going. Well? 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.320 You know there are some weirdos that listen to us 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.880 on double Speed. Well they just are like, hurry up 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.560 and get to the point. You're idiot, yea, because you know, 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.680 busy lives. They can't listen to forty minutes of contact straight. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.919 It always it's funny to mean somebody tweets to us 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:40.199 or takes the time to write an email say like, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.320 I love your your podcast, but I'm really displeased with 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.760 the tangents you go on. You seem to talk about 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:49.159 a lot of stuff that's unrelated. Can you stop doing that? 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.040 And um, I always think I don't think Seffy, you 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.760 should know this for you buddy. If you're if you're 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.440 being driven crazy by that, then well yeah, like we 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.520 would welcome you to stay. But the tangents are they're 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.200 part of the fabric of the show at this point. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.200 There's the glue. Like it or not, I think the 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.080 whole thing would be decidedly less enjoyable if we were 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:15.000 just like vomiting facts, just business like, you know. Yeah, 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.520 or maybe after eight fifty shows, we should just completely 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.520 change how we do it. Yeah, there you go. That's 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.080 a great idea. Hey, before we get started, though, we 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:29.479 do want to thank Sam from gypsums Ma Lord. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:35.840 thank you. Sam. We mentioned the unique Liqueur Chicago brand 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.800 Liqueur on our PR show Live in Chicago because you 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.440 tried it like before the show. Yeah. Well, I've tried 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.200 it a few times and it's, uh, it's you know, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.840 it's as John Hodgman said, it tastes like a pencil 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:53.840 shavings and heartbreak as his descriptor. But Sam heard us 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.520 talking about Crown Down Royal. It was like, wait a minute, 0:01:58.040 --> 0:01:59.920 they talked about my Lord and I didn't send him 0:01:59.920 --> 0:02:04.400 in anything. Yeah, attention all of their distillers in America 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.840 you can get in on this too. Yeah. If the 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:11.200 makers of Plymouth Gin or Leopold's Gin or Knob Creek 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.120 or Pappy Van Winkle St. George's, they're a great distillery 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.200 out of San Francisco. Yeah, Pappy van Winkle. Wow, we 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.560 that's the stuff that gets like hijacked and sold for 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.360 like dollars on the internet. So I'm just throwing it 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:29.239 out there. I'm picking it back up, bringing it back here, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.440 throwing it again. We're happy to drink your booze and 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.880 talk about it at nauseam. Uh you know what else. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.240 We're happy to talk about big boy bon yes, which 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.480 you I don't know if I was saying it wrong, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.480 but right before we press record, you said it's not bonsai, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:49.200 it's bonsai, and I was like, what's the It's not bonzai? Right? 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:56.040 That means heads up right right right? Bonsai? Right? Uh? 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:01.480 Is it basically means plant in tiny container? Yeah? Those 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:08.280 are the cute toy trees. Mr plastic It depends target 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.080 has some. They definitely have plastic ones. Yeah. If you 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.639 search BONDSA, it's one of the things that comes up immediately. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.320 It's fake trees. I think it's called like nearly real 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.320 for nearly natural something like that, and uh, it does 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.960 not look nearly natural. It's like near beer. Do you 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.880 ever heard people called non alcoholic beer near beer. I 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.679 think it's kind of funny. I used to um, I 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.400 probably wouldn't tell his story. So with bonds, I, UM, chuck, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.240 we're talking like you said the little toy trees, And yeah, 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.280 there's plenty of fake bonds I out there, but they're 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.880 just kind of it's the same thing as fake flowers. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.560 You know. Well it sort of flies in the face 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.200 of what's special about bonsai, which is that it's a 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.840 living work of art. Right it does, And a lot 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.920 of people are like, well, that's just a weird, freakish 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.720 tree that you've been abusing for the last several decades. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.760 Some people actually do criticize bonsai because it is Yeah, 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.960 it's it's like docking and dog's tail or. Um, it's 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:06.840 nothing like, but it depending on how you feel about plants, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.400 it's it's the same thing. You're taking, it's something that's 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.720 natural and literally bending it to your will. So there's 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.360 an anti pruning movement going on around the world. Maybe 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.200 I don't know if I would go that far to 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.600 say it, but um, if you are invested in bonds Eye, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.960 if you do appreciate bonds Eye, part of the whole 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.760 point of bonds Eye. As you are taking, you're creating 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:33.240 a tableau that is a a living depiction of nature 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:38.320 rather than a painting. You're creating a living version of 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.840 basically a painting well sculpture, living sculpture. Yeah, yeah, that's 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.520 even better, Like you can make it out of sculpe clay. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.800 You could, but then you've you've totally missed the point 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.400 of bonding. Well they'd be fun too, but but it's 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.279 something different, right, So, um, we're going to talk about 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.080 how to how to bonds? Ie, I have to say, um, 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.040 is that a verb as well? It is? Now we're 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:09.320 gonna Jerry's is cracking up this episode? She's she's reading, Uh, oh, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.680 what is the guy from Crack's name? Alfredy Newman's like 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.800 kind of oh yeah, he had like this yeah counterpart. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.719 Yeah is that still around because they're sort of a 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.039 different thing than they. Yeah. Yeah, there's this great story 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:28.159 behind Cracked, Like Cracked was around for you know, decades, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.360 and it just got less of languish. And I guess 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:34.080 some fan came along and was like, hey, I noticed, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.560 like you're basically just waiting around for Crack to die. 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.720 Can I have a stab at it? Crack at it? 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:45.120 I specifically didn't say that, but yes, and um they're like, whatever, kid, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.279 go ahead, and the guy basically resurrected Crack Cracked in 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.840 his basement brought it back from the dead and now 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:57.360 it's like huge, sold for boatload of money. Oh yeah, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.040 good for them. I hope it went to that dude 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.760 who resurrected it. I do too, that's great. Um, I 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.800 don't remember how we got onto cracked. Jerry was laughing. Oh, 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.599 she was reading cracked. That's right. Um. So back to 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.080 bonds I, Like I said, we're gonna talk about how 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.520 to bonds I, which, like they said as a verb. Now, um, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.320 but let's talk about the history of it first. Yeah. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.360 Like uh, Like many things in the world, and especially 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.400 many things that you might associate with Japan, it started 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.080 earlier in China before it made its way to Japan, 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.920 and in China it was called well in Japan, did 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.080 you already say what the what it literally means? I 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.520 think you did. Yeah, it means plant in a tray, Yeah, 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.120 plant in a tray. In China it was punsi, which 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.719 means tray plant. Not too far off. And if you 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.440 go all the way back to the Tang dynasty, Um, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.560 they there is evidence, you know, and tomb paintings that 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.120 they had these little little prune trees and shallow pots. Yeah, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:57.080 it's just like part of the painting in the tomb. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.280 It's not like featured, it's just part of it, kind 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.240 of depicting regular life. They're like, okay, well, at least 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.839 by seven oh six, um, see that there were people 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.280 doing bonzai in China through ponzai, right, Uh, it may 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:15.280 go back even further than that. There's a legend that 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.680 an emperor round about two oh six BC wanted his 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:25.360 entire empire China recreated a miniature in his backyard, and um, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.880 they think they suspect that it's possible that that may 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:32.040 have given rise to pontai. That makes sense. They're like, 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.400 we gotta make tiny trees now because the emperor wants. Yeah. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:42.240 But then either through trade or through gifts, exchanges of 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:47.080 state departments and stuff like that. Um, Japan does what 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.520 it always did, and it got its handed on something 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.720 and then took it to the nth degree and perfected 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:57.120 and made it. That's what Japan does. That's what they do. Uh. 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.800 There's an ancient Japanese scroll that I found not literally 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.760 in my backyard, and you're adding, uh, that I found 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.480 on the internet. Uh, And it says this is around 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:12.600 the Kamakura period, which was to thirt thirty three. Um, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.480 and it says to appreciate and find pleasure and curiously 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.640 curved potted trees is to love deformity, which I thought 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.080 was interesting. And the article I read said it, you know, 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.240 we don't know whether it is positive or negative. Yeah, 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.600 I think it means positive. Maybe the writer was passive aggressive. 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:31.360 I thought it was a pretty interesting quote though. Oh 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:35.320 yeah for sure, because I mean, again, you're training trees 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.320 to to be little freaks of nature basically. Yeah. And um, 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.560 like a lot of other works of art at the time, Um, 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.040 it starts out with like monks and Buddhists, and then 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.520 eventually it becomes like part of the rich elite and 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.080 then eventually works its way to the to the common folk. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:59.640 So by the I think the thirteenth fifteen, sixteenth century, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:04.000 it was, it was, it was, it would become like 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:08.160 a pretty well established hobby in Japan. Um, I don't. 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.560 I got the impression that wasn't necessarily thought of as 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.400 an art form until the West saw it for the 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.160 first time. So in the seventeenth century, Japan was getting 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.920 really tired of Westerners trying to convert them to Christianity 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.280 and um, basically exploiting them in unfair trade practices. They said, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.520 you know what Westerners get out, We are isolating ourselves, 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.000 were closing ourselves off the trade with the West except 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.360 for a few Dutch and Spaniards. Uh, and then the Chinese, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.320 everybody else go away. And they stayed like that for 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.320 a couple hundred years. And um, I believe it was 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.680 Millard Fillmore who sent Matthew Perry Chandler bing over there 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:50.640 with the squadron of navy freighters and huge cannons and guns, saying, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.200 you're gonna trade with us? He said, could you guys 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.000 be any cooler? You have all kinds of cool stuff, 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:01.959 that's my Chandler. So Japan opened up basically at the 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.720 barrel of America's guns. Yeah, we should do a show 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.040 on that. We talked about it enough. It's really interesting 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.800 the isolation this period, Like what was what went on there? 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:15.600 And then? Uh, A lot of bonds, a lot of 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.680 goldfish tending. Nice remember Mr Burns famous quote those sandal 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:25.040 wearing goldfish tenders. I don't remember that. That's good though. 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.880 But as far as coming to the West, there were 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.319 a couple of big fairs where it kind of exploded. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.520 The Paris World Exhibition of eighteen seventy eight in the 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.360 London exhibition of nineteen o nine, where uh, you know, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.360 of course people in the West just probably flipped for it. Yeah, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.200 because it's so cool. Yeah, it is like, oh man, 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.599 researching this, I just every time I would come across 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.959 a new term for like a style or something, I 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.120 go look it up and I end up spending half 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.720 an hour just looking at bonds Eye pictures. You know. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.679 It's really engrossing. Yeah. I was gonna be like, all right, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.920 I'm doing this, but I'm gonna wait for what old age, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:08.240 so like three or four years from now. Yeah, I 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.360 think I'm going to get into it. Yeah. I think 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:12.440 it's just for me. I've got too much going on 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.400 right now to do. But it's gonna be a great 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.719 retirement past time for me. I could just I could 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.800 see myself really like spending days and days. I can 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:25.400 see it's caring for these little guys because I like, 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.760 oh yeah, and I like, uh like tiny things and miniatures. Oh, 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.559 you're gonna love Bond's Eye. Yeah, like the little tiny 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.000 Tabasco bottles that you get in room service and stuff 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.800 like that. Plus you're crazy for it. Your doll houses 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.320 that you've built on my doll houses. Yeah, I just 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:50.199 I don't know. I think you read Dobson play. Yeah. Um, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:51.960 all right, well, I guess we should talk about some 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:53.640 of those styles and huh, well you want to take 0:11:53.640 --> 0:12:17.760 a break first, Yeah, let's do that. Okay, okay, Josh, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.520 you mentioned styles, and I did the same thing you did, Buddy. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.640 I went and looked at pictures and I put little 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.839 marks next to my favorite ones, like earmarked what I'm 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.640 gonna try and emulate in the future. I'm very curious 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.480 if if we're going to do right, you start so 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:39.959 upright choken and it's the most formal traditional style where 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:45.200 it is basically it emulates a strong, healthy, upright growing tree. Yeah. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.719 I love that we take this like ancient, amazing art 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.520 form and the most formal style we go right, Yeah, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:56.000 but I agree. Didn't delight me. And again, what you're 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.120 doing is emulating nature, but you're doing it in miniature. 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:03.360 And part of bonds Ie UM is using like tricks 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.839 of the eye, force perspective, that kind of stuff. And Um, 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.480 the upright the choken style UM does that by tapering 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:13.960 the trunk, so it's much wider at the bottom than 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.320 it is that that's the top to kind of give 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:18.920 you the idea that you're looking up towards a very 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.880 tall tree. Yeah, and we'll sprinkle in bits of the 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.840 uh sort of philosophical art behind it. But the idea 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.680 is that you you sort of imagine a scene in 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.240 your head and then you try and make it look 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.439 like that. Maybe it's something from your past, maybe it's 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.960 a great tree you saw one time on a vacation, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.240 but just something that makes you feel good. Um, you're 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.120 usually not like, you know, let me just make some crazy, 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.680 weird looking thing because you know I'm drunk. I'm gonna 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.080 make the I'm gonna make that tree that was next 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.360 to the place where my friend got hit and killed 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.000 on his bike. Now it's all about harmony. Yes, that 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.440 would be the opposite of Bond's eye. Yes, that's right. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.480 Uh So, moving into another style, which I did not 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:04.760 put a check Martin next to. But it's okay, mayogi, 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.319 I like this one. It's okay. It's a little like 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:12.599 the choken. Um it's the informal upright, Okay, so a 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:16.200 little more style maybe. Yeah. So the chocon is very formal, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:21.720 very straight. Um, the mayogi is it's overall the shape 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.600 is upright, but it can like bend and twist to 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.360 get to that point. You see what I'm saying. It's neat. Yeah, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.880 I think it's neat. I wouldn't mind doing a moyogi 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.040 at some point in the future, but it definitely won't 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.960 be the first one I try. All Right, it's it's 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.880 down the list of it. Uh the slanting shakan or 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:46.000 or fukanagashi fukagashi. Yeah, nice, it's that good. Um, these 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:47.720 are pretty cool. I have to say. That has the 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.000 leaning trunk at a forty five degree angle and the 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.200 branches follow the angle of the trunk. Yeah, they're they're 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.880 parallel to it, right, Yes, basically parallel essentially right, so 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:04.080 they're neat looking. And that trunk is slanted. Uh. In 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:09.040 in reference to the the pot, the lip the lip 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:14.200 of the pot, right, um, and we should say don't 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.240 we haven't said it. So we're talking mostly about the 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.200 trees and that's what gets the most attention. But um, 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.160 classically and at its heart, bonsai is a it's a balance, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.400 it's a harmony between the plant and the pot. Like 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.320 when you're talking about it bonsai. The pot is included 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:35.440 in that it's very it's part of the sculpture itself. Almost, yeah, agreed. Uh. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.880 And also with that slanting style. Um supposedly, even though 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:42.480 I saw many examples to the contrary. The first branch 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.600 is supposed to go opposite of the angle of the 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.000 trunk for to provide balance, right, I think that's in 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:57.160 the shotgun style. It goes opposite. Yeah, got yeah, alright, alright, chuck, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:01.240 next cascade for really eat and you just lit up 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:05.520 like a Christmas tree. It's yours. So the semi cascade, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.720 the Hanken guy is mine. That's the one I'm going 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.840 to try first. All right, Well, go ahead and describe it. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.280 This so basically, and you need a deeper pot. So 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:18.240 most pots for um uh bonsai are shallow. Um this 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.800 you need like a pretty deep pot forward, because the 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:26.680 plant is basically mostly overhanging. It's outside and hanging down 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.200 from the pot. That's a full on cascade. And these 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.280 are meant to really emulate like a tree that's just 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.360 barely hanging on and like a rocky outcrop on a mountain. Interesting, 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.880 and so the cascade is full on like the basically 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.480 the whole plant has been below the lip of the pot. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:50.520 The semi cascade is where right where the there's a 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.600 substantial amount of the plant is still in the pot, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.440 but it's growing over and down the side something or 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.120 really off to the side and swept his semi cascade, 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.159 I think is another term for it. Yeah, now I'm 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.800 trying to apply psychology to why that's your favorite. It's 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.800 just the look of it. Just aesthetically speaking, I think 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.720 it's it's great. Next up we have the literati or 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:22.760 the bungen or bungeni bing bunging guy. Yeah, I think 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:29.080 that's way better. Probably one of those. So you think 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.080 I would ask my wife, sure we should just have 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:37.960 you me in here with like a ruler smacking knuckles. Nope. Um, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.280 this is the one that's really uh focuses on perspective. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.119 So the idea here here is that you're you're looking 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:49.199 uh from below to a tree that is above, like 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:50.960 if you're at the base of a mountain looking up. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.720 Then you tailor the tree to make it look as 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.560 if And we should also mention that you should look 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:00.720 at eye level is traditionally where you're when you talk perspective. 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:03.840 You know, if you're standing four ft above it, right, 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:06.400 that's different you should look at bonsai eye level. Yeah, 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.159 that's why they're so frequently displayed at eye level. That's right. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.680 And there's also it's probably worth mentioning here that there's 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.040 a definite front and a definite back to a bonsaie. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:21.240 We'll get into that. Uh, this one is one of 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.040 my favorites. Broom. Yes, we are at the broom. So 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:25.920 this is this the one that you marked the hokey 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:29.159 duchy yes. Um. And you might look it up people 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:34.720 and say interesting, not the most flashy tree, but there's 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.720 something about it. Man. It has this like really full 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.919 kind of half dome with a just a single trunk 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.320 jutting up. Yeah, it's just beautiful to me. It's like 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.360 it takes the shape of like an idealized like maple 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.919 or oak tree. Yeah, you know, it reminded me of 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.880 a like a grand oak. Yeah. Well, yeah, I wouldn't 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.000 call you flashy. You've never been known to where like 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.480 I d bracelets or pinky rings or I don't know 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.280 what either one of those things are. Do you know 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.080 what a pinky ring is? Nope, yes you do. I 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.119 don't know what you're talking about. A pinky ring, A 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.879 man's pinky ring, I know what a man is. Okay, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.760 well I'll tell you later. Uh So, next up is 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:20.800 my absolute favorite by far, the landscape. It's when you 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.160 create your little miniature scene. It's like a shadow box, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.320 which I used to love doing those when I was 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.280 a kid. My my oldest sister was into this, um 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.919 years and years ago. Yeah. She would make more like 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.560 English gardens kind of in miniature that with like you 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.960 know what, like those gazing balls. She would make like, 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.439 well tiny one of those is the focal point of 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.560 the place. And yeah, so this is when you have 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.840 your little nature scene. You've got moss, you've got little rocks, 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.600 you may even have a water feature. And it's just 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.000 I just I don't know, man. Ever since I was 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.520 a kid, I love little things like that. So is 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:55.880 that the first one you're gonna try? Well, I think 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.280 I'll probably have to work up to that. Um, you're 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.359 not gonna just do water features right out of the gate, No, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.240 but I might have built my own fountain once. It's 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:07.879 not that hard. You need to pump um. And this 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:13.080 actually China is still into um yeah, into bonsai, but 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.400 this is the stuff that they practice called pinging. Yeah, 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.119 very landscape oriented. Yeah, I might even put a little 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.480 like a camping sing little fire ring. Oh, that'd be 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.040 great with some little little guys with their acoustic guitars. Right, 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.679 and then Jason Vorhees is standing off to the side 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:33.320 just watching them. Maybe, um, root over or root on rock. 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:36.159 This is the one I thought was gonna be your favorite. Yeah, 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.080 so what's the deal here? Um? You you could definitely 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.240 combine this one with something like cascade or wind sweat. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:48.720 It's where you train the roots of the um the 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:51.280 tree to grow around or on top of a rock. 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.600 It's pretty neat, so it looks like it is really 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.840 clinging to a mountain side. Yeah. And what they're trying 0:20:57.840 --> 0:20:59.560 to do in a lot of these cases is give 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.560 the appear arrants of like an old tree, Uh, something 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.040 has been around for many years, um, when in fact 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:08.760 it maybe a tree that's like a year old, but 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:10.800 it looks like some ancient oak or something. Yeah. And 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.920 we'll talk about some of the techniques for doing that later, 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:16.240 but that is largely the It seems like the initial 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.200 point if you're you're trying to make it look like 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.080 an old tree, or you're creating a tree that you 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:25.080 intend to live for a few hundred years and get old, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:27.720 you know. Yeah, and the oldest one they have in 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:32.440 d C like fo years old. That's even close. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:34.320 I mean that one's cool. You want to talk about that. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.679 So there's a white pine at the National Banzai and 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.440 Penji Museum in d C, and it's almost four dred 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:46.119 years old. But also notably it survived a pretty big event, 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:51.600 the bombing of Urashima, and then it was given as 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:56.399 a gift from Japan to UM the US. Why. I 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.320 don't know. I guess they were like, you're don't ever 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:03.320 do that again, this thing to remind you, I think twice. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.399 So there are many many older ones in that that 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.479 was what you're saying. Yeah, there's one in uh Museum 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.160 in Spain. It's a ficus that's like a thousand years old. 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.840 There's another one that's like a thousand. There's a couple 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:16.199 that are eight hundred years old. And the ideas that 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:19.880 many times these are passed within your family, correct, Yeah, yeah, 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:23.680 very frequently they'll be handed down as heirlooms. UM. Now, 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.520 some of the disparity between ages where they're like that 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:29.479 one doesn't really count. It may have been like a 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.320 thousand year old ficus that somebody found out in the 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:35.439 wild and collected and has been bonds eying for twenty years. 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.160 So this one, I have the impression um has been 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.359 bonds eyed and in the same family for like six 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.159 or seven generations, so it's been like tended to. So 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:46.840 it may have been kind of old when it was 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:50.400 when it was collected um, but it's been bonds eyed 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:54.040 for hundreds of years all right. To finish up, the 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:59.480 last category, which I think is pretty cool, multiform or 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:04.640 eca to or SoCon or kabudachi, and that is when 0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:06.880 you have the illusion that you have more than one 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:10.159 tree but it's really just one tree. Yeah, that's it's 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.600 pretty cool. So it looks like, you know, it's generally 0:23:12.680 --> 0:23:15.840 jutting out from the bottom obviously of the roots structure 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:18.040 up and it looks like a couple of trees. Yeah, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.440 but it's a single tree. Some people cheat and put 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.879 some several trees in there. But well you can do that, right, 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.240 a little you're a little forest, I guess so. But 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.960 isn't that then really the landscape the psychi maybe? I think, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.200 you know, what, are the Bonsai police gonna come knocking 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.480 on your door? Yeah, you don't want to mess with 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:41.399 those guys. You know you don't, they'll ignore you. All right, 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.000