WEBVTT - 7/23/25: Microsoft Workers Rebel On IDF Support, Bibi Blackmailed Bill Clinton, IceBlock Founder Wife Fired By Trump Admin 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.200 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.720 the future of this show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.719 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.640 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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Microsoft is 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.040 heavily involved, as drop site has reported, with Israel's genocide 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:55.960 and Gaza, providing enormous amounts of cloud computing and other technological. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.880 Support for the assault on Gaza. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.360 The amount of money that the industry the Israeli Ministry 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:07.600 of Defense has sent to Microsoft has massively increased since 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.640 October twenty twenty three, According to internal company. 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:13.080 Documents that we reviewed. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:19.000 And reported on This is an escalation from Microsoft workers 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:23.200 who are now drawing a line and saying that they 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.920 will just simply not work on this account. Now that 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.760 doesn't mean that they Microsoft won't be able to find 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.520 workers inside the company who will do it, but the 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.920 publicity around it and the difficulty around it raises the 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:42.679 stakes for Western companies who are continuing to be so 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:49.000 intimately involved in what the world is now seeing of 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.680 not just people getting mowed down at aid distribution sites, 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:57.320 but dying in droves of starvation and amount nutrition. 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:00.680 You think this as it's. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.680 At all, Yeah, I think it's been resonating. 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.360 I mean, Crystal and I covered what happened with the 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.720 church and also the Christian village in the West Bank. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.160 The the Idea have just announced, by the way, that 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.919 they finished their review of their the bombing of the 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:17.560 church and. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.480 That it was an accident. It was an accident, so 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:20.440 that's all resolved. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.720 Good. Yeah, glad we got to the bottom of that one. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:27.160 But uh, it's that was a real shift, and I 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.320 think whenever a shift like that happens, you start to 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.880 see more focus on every sort of subsequent you know, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.680 people take more seriously when they see It's. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.000 A good point because it just it you have a 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.680 new prism for how you're viewing what's going on right roads. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:44.040 Trust. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:48.720 So if everyone's telling you this is Pollywood and it's 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:53.200 all you know, staged fake, and that's your predisposition to 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:58.800 when you see these awful, awful images that those arguments 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.880 that had been sort of blocked you from taking seriously 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.960 the images and the claims of suffering, then you have 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.760 those arguments against that have so much less credibility. When 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.359 you have one experience like that, it changes, like yeah, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.200 like you said, it's a new prism. And I've noticed 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.480 that in the last week, I think. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.040 And speaking of stage and faked, we didn't talk about 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.480 this a few days ago when it was released, but 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.600 it's it's a fast, fascinating development. The IDF put out 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:32.200 this extraordinary short propaganda film of them for forty three 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.040 seconds not shooting civilians. Let's roll this clip and then 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.960 and then discuss. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.040 If you're listening. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:45.040 What you're seeing, are you know, hundreds of hungry people 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.960 kind of mobbing an AID truck that's coming in through 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:57.280 northern Gaza and you're hearing commanders tell the soldier IDF soldiers. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:58.640 Don't shoot, don't shoot, And at least. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.240 Four times in this short clip they say don't shoot, 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.240 don't shoot, don't shoot, And then the people who did 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:08.440 not get shot kind of applaud the IDF for not 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:14.360 shooting them. This was then posted by the Israeli military 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.760 as evidence of their most moralness. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.200 So this is the IDEAF posted that video. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.440 IDF posted that video. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.039 It doesn't take a whole lot of deconstruction to start 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:29.839 to raise questions about it. It's like, Okay, congratulations, you 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:34.240 found forty three seconds of your folks not shooting unarmed 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.599 civilians who were seeking AID. What is going on with 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:45.160 your rules of engagement that officers had to repeatedly order 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:50.920 troops not to fire unarmed people, Like if I've been 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.279 critical of the US military my entire life, basically, but 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:02.120 there's no world in which US troops looking at a 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:07.040 group of people who are mobbing an AID truck and 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.799 kind of taking the flower off the AID truck would 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:14.280 have to be told not to shoot. None of the 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:18.240 soldiers there are under any risk whatsoever. Like it's clear 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.000 what the people want. The people want the food that's 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:25.760 on the truck. There would be no other army in 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:28.880 the world would think, oh, we should shoot at these people, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.239 so that they had to keep saying, Hey, we're filming here, guys, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.960 don't shoot, like we're doing a propaganda film here. Can 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.880 you please? Can you guys please not shoot the civilians. 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.719 It reminds me of the one that the GHF put 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.359 out several weeks ago, where it's a guy speaking to 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.960 camera for like seven seconds talking about how effectively they're 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.719 distributing aid and how there's no violence and this is 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:57.680 an amazing accomplishment, a tremendous success, is what Tammy Bruce, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.200 a State department called it yesterday. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:01.800 At the very end of the clip, you. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:06.400 Hear gunfire from There's no Hamas anywhere near these things. 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:07.400 That's why they're fifth. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.599 They're like fifteen kilometers away from any populated area. And 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.920 so it's like, and that's the take they posted, like 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:14.839 they couldn't even get a seven second clip where they 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:18.320 weren't shooting in the background. So this this was really 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.160 striking me. It made me think, like, so I was 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.120 I did the show yesterday, so I came, you know, 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.960 from out northwest DC down to the studio here that 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.120 also went home. I saw a lot of people on 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.320 my way in and my way out. I didn't shoot 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.760 any of them, none. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.359 The most moral television hosts in the real world. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:42.040 Yeah, I saw a bunch of people this morning. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.200 Some of them were hungry, probably. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.400 Probably not, maybe maybe a few were, like. 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:47.960 To fine hungry. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.880 Yes, I didn't shoot. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.719 I have not shot anybody all day long, noble peace price, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.280 and I don't think I will shoot anybody for the 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:55.880 rest of the day. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.239 All Right, I'm gonna come next week with a letter 0:06:58.400 --> 0:06:59.880 nominating you for the no. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.800 I appreciate there's a lot of stiff competition this year. Yeah, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:07.240 so my chances are not are not very good. So 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.440 this is the this is the state that they're in 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.520 with their with their propaganda. Here's forty three seconds in 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:14.960 which we didn't shoot unarmed people. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.120 Now, now a warning. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.800 If you're not following this closely, A lot of this 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.560 might be might be new to you and might be graphic, 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:26.440 and maybe you want to scroll through this if you 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:26.880 don't want. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:27.200 To see it. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:28.000 It is very graphic. 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:33.480 But the the intensity of the violence is just exploding. 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.720 So we can put up put up C three here. 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.080 This is all. 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.120 This is all stuff within the last you know, twenty 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.680 four hours. There is this is a strike on a 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:50.680 home that killed fifteen U civilians, including. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.880 Enormous number, an enormous number of children. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.920 You've had an increasing number of strikes where you're seeing. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.320 The Yeah, you don't even want to look at that. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:07.400 You're seeing fetus is blown out of pregnant women's bodies. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:12.760 These are toddlers who were born after October seventh, you know, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:16.720 who have known nothing but this. Here's a man who 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.720 died of starvation. Ah, well, over one hundred people now 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.960 have died of starvation. And here's a clip that was 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.720 circulating just two guys just sitting out on the pier, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:32.840 just bombed and killed just for sitting on the pier, and. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.640 That's it. And then on filming their own murders. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:46.040 So like, we keep hearing that they're getting closer and 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:50.080 closer to us, fees fire, but an enormous number, an 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.000 enormous number of the people and guys are now kind 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:54.360 of beyond the point of no return. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.040 A reporter on one where we need to post this. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.080 You can see it on my Twitter feed if if 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:00.400 you want. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:06.000 A paramedic was was hit yesterday. I hope he's still alive. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.480 He was alive as of yesterday according to medical sources. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.400 And you can see him. So he's taken into the 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.560 hospital with getting getting an auction, and you compare his 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.800 picture to a picture of him from a couple of 0:09:17.840 --> 0:09:21.160 years before. He's just shed so much weight. He's just 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:25.880 he's just skin and bone. And these are and the medics. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.439 We're getting food much longer than the regular population. Only 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.360 in the last couple of days. At Nasser Hospital, for instance, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.760 did the hospital staff stop getting food. The patients stopped 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:44.400 getting food a long time ago. Now it's it's basically 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.800 every person for themselves whatever, you know, whatever they could, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.400 you know, whatever they can find. So it's just going 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:56.959 absolutely bananas now. Meanwhile, they cut off internet to darry Oballa, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:02.839 which is the remaining kind of severe infrastructure left in Gaza. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.640 It's actually where Abu Baker grew up and was from. 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.600 It's where his family is, and there's a lot of 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.960 where a lot of the UN and AID organizations are 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.719 our house. There's nowhere else for them to operate at 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.679 this point. So they've now launched an incursion into dary Bala. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.800 They cut off internet to it. They're bom bombing the 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.200 hell out of it. Sayah Al KUDS, which is a 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.800 resistance faction put out as a statement that you can 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.400 put put up this next element that they've now lost 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:38.000 contact with Rome Breslovski, who is one of the twenty 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.880 one of the twenty remaining hostages assumed to be twenty 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:47.319 remaining hostages who are still alive. The you know, Almas 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.440 had warned and actually IDF commanders have have warned like 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.920 if we if we continue to assault these particular areas, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.559 we're very worried that we're going to kill more hostages. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.320 They've already killed an untold number uncount uncounted number at 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.120 this point, but a significant number of hostages. And so 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:11.480 now there's this reporting that, uh, they've lost contact with 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.160 with Rome. So uh, this is this is in the 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.520 context of Whitcoff heading to you know, there's reports that 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.040 he's going to be heading over there as they're trying 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.560 to finalize an agreement. There's uh are there's you know, 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:28.560 the negotiations heavily are around aid and how aid would 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:34.559 be distributed, because if this aid system continues, then the 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.800 death by starvation and the slaughter at all of these 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.400 aid distribution sides would continuing. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.000 And Hamas is saying we can't we can't agree to that. 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:43.439 Yesterday, Tammy Bruce, this is an incredible moment of the 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.560 States part where he said this is a it's a 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:51.200 tremendous success, like the gods humanitarian Fauscion Foundation, aid distribution. 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:52.520 Uh. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.080 And one of the reporters like, well, the result of 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.400 the success is starvation. Like that's that's your that's your 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:00.880 definition of success. It's like. 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.920 Like before people weren't dying of starvation. Now they are. 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:08.560 And I'm not sure under what terms that counts as 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.160 a success. 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:16.040 That the ceasefire timeline is interesting because it seems to 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.360 me like and you've covered this closely. I think we've 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:23.719 talked about it, that the escalation correlates the closer a 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.480 ceasefire appears to be politically, the closer the Trump administration 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.679 suggests they are to a ceasefire, like oneever wit Cough 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.120 is negotiating, it seems like you end up. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:37.360 It's like the empty the warehouses of bombs on. Yeah, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:38.800 so I don't. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.320 Hope hopefully we're going to get a reprieve to this soon, 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.960 but you know, too late for a lot of people. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.200 So let's also take a trip down memory lane. This 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.959 is crazy the nineteen nineties, Benjamin Naho, Bill Clinton, and 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:58.720 Monica Lewinsky stick around this one. So, in a scandal 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.800 that has been largely lost to contemporary memory, Israeli Prime 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.200 Minister Benjamin Netnah who was alleged to have blackmailed then 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.160 President Bill Clinton by revealing to him that Israel had 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.439 collected tapes of phone sex calls between the forty second 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.720 president and White House intern Monica Lewinsky. The story is 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.080 worth revisiting amid allegations that Jeffrey Epstein was involved in 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:23.000 a long running Israeli blackmail operation of his own. So 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.079 Clinton met with Netnaho in the Oval Office in February 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.600 nineteen ninety seven. Subsequently, according to testimony Lewinsky gave to 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.600 the Special Council's Office, Clinton secretary Betty Curry reached out 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.439 to Lewinsky to invite her to an Oval Office meeting, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.719 telling her Clinton quote had something important to tell her 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.320 unquote it would turn out to be their final sexual encounter. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.440 But Clinton also used the opportunity to tell her that 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.880 a quote foreign embassy had tapped his phone and recorded 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:55.560 their conversation. Lewinsky said Clinton did not specify which embassy, 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.560 though The meeting with Lewinsky came the month after his 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.319 meeting with net Yahoo. The special Prosecutor's report was far 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.200 more concerned with Lewinsky's claim of the sexual encounter that 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.240 day because it contradicted Clinton's claim that they had had 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.080 only one encounter that year, than they were with the 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.840 fact that a foreign government was spying on the President 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.079 and letting him know about it. The prosecutor was also 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:21.320 interested in Clinton's response, namely that he proposed cover stories, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.240 these recover stories that the two could employ if they 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:28.320 were confronted with the tapes. Clinton suggested the pairs say 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.680 they knew they were under surveillance and the phone sex 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.560 was a quote put on for whoever was listening. It's 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.920 an awfully flimsy idea, but look, he was guilty. The 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.400 man did not have much to work with now. In April, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.080 Netnyahuo and Clinton met again for a quote private visit 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.320 on a Saturday. Then in May nineteen ninety seven, Clinton 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:52.320 again had Curry invite Lewinsky to the White House. During 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.960 that visit, he broke up with her. Lewinsky testified the 0:14:56.040 --> 0:14:58.320 next fall. So this is fall of nineteen ninety eight, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.560 Clinton hosted Netnahu and Power sending leader Yaser Arafat for 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.200 a summit at Wye River, Maryland. Toward the end of 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.560 the summit, at seven am, after a long night of 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.280 final negotiations and handshakes, Nenyawho approached Clinton privately to demand 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.240 the release of convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, long a 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.960 cause to leb of the Israeli far right. That's according 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.960 to reporting the time from The New York Times. Now 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:24.160 Netnah who brought up the sex tapes in the context 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.640 of the Pollard demand. According to subsequent reporting by Washington 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:31.560 Examiner editor Daniel harper in his book Clinton Inc. The 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.280 Audacious Rebuilding of a Political Machine, he writes, quote, not 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.200 wanting to directly threaten the powerful American President, a crucial 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.920 Israeli ally, Clinton was told that the Israeli government had 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.960 thrown the tapes away, but the very mention of them 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.520 was enough to constitute a form of blackmail. Halpern reported 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.800 the talks almost broke down as CIA chief George Tennant 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.760 told Clinton he would resign on the spot if Clinton 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.400 agreed to the terms. So instead, Clinton agreed to quote 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.600 review Pollard's case, He did not release him Pollard was 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.680 eventually freed in twenty fifteen under the Obama administration. Now, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.760 on the last day of his first term, Trump pardoned 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.880 Pollard's handler back in Israel. Pollard is now an outspoken 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.760 supporter of extremist national security minister Ben Givier It's Amar 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.080 Ben Gavier and is called for the full ethnic cleansing 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.520 of Gaza. I don't know, Emily, what do you think? 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.880 What a Netna hotel? Bill Clinton? I'm so curious it's 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.400 another foreign embassy that this could be. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.280 So this is very casually in the book of Daniel Helper, right, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:36.520 who is I. 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:38.240 Mean, you probably see about him as a reporter. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.160 Well, I was even to ask you, I. 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.160 Mean, he's his sort of right of Senator bush Era. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.160 I mean, I don't want to get this wrong, but that's. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.680 My doing a lot of these Clinton in style, yeah. 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.920 Right, and then was covering foreign policy like during that 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.280 time period. I remember Daniel Helper a lot from the 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:58.640 kind of blogging years, if that makes sense, like the 0:16:58.640 --> 0:16:59.880 books your blogging years. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.840 But this is very casually in the book. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.640 And there was there was another book it was called 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:08.199 Gideon Spies in ninety eight published in the UK that 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.640 reported the same thing that it was that there, that 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:16.280 that Yahoo that end that it was Israel that had 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.680 gotten these tapes because they basically whated. Like back then 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.800 it was probably pretty maybe even easier than it is now. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.479 A lot of people were learning about this affair like 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.160 it was like it was everywhere before it was reported 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.520 by Drudge and then by Newsweek. It was the talk 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:40.160 of like elite Washington. That's how like you know, Linda 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.399 Tripp was telling book agents publishers. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:45.920 Yeah, Lucy and Goldberg. 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.880 Yeah, Jonah Goldberg's mom, she's telling people and like. 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.840 You know, actually, what's his name? George Conway? 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.800 Right, he like he was who's now there Istance Democrat 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.840 Guy Kelly and Conway's ex husband, and and. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.960 Coulter and like this whole right wing world. 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.520 Brett Kavanaugh was working with Ken Starr. George Conway was 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:17.840 in that group. Colter was defending Paula Jones and. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:22.320 Paula Jones lawyers like learned about Monica way early and 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.560 they so in other words, a lot of people in 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.800 Washington knew about the Monica affair while it was still ongoing. 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.520 So if you were a foreign embassy that that learned 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.280 this and it would not have been hard for israelin others, not. 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.040 Just them, to learn about it. 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:40.600 It would then not be hard for you to go 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.119 and tap Monica Wincy's phone. You don't you don't have 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.159 to tap the White House at that point. You just 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.080 get Monica's phone line. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:50.440 Which is way easier, of course. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.439 Right, yeah, and then your boom, You're going to pick up. 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:59.359 All of these calls that continued to happen. How do 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.399 you like? How do you like Bill Clinton's cover story? 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.440 We knew that we were being. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.200 Surveilled by a foreign government, so we decided to do 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.000 fake sex tapes with an intern. 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:13.520 I mean, I was gonna say, I think actually that 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:15.800 may so. First of all, I think it gives it 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.800 more credibility that it's casually in the book, and I 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.080 think Daniel Helper is like sort of broadly pretty pro Israel. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.320 I have to go back and look. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.000 But I think that's like sort of baked into a 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.320 lot of the coverage that Daniel Helper has done. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.359 But I think the fact that this. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.520 Is sort of casually just inserted into the narrative of 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:38.640 the book lends credibility to it, and people aren't challenging it. 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.639 It's the same thing with the alex Acosta quote that 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.240 Vicky Ward put in her story that barely raised an 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:48.600 eyebrow at the time, and Acrosta, there weren't all other 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.159 people from those meetings in the Senate coming out and 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.720 saying this never happened. So anyway, all that that's like 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.520 a bit of a tangent, but it also makes you 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:03.399 look differently on the way Clinton vociferously denied the affair, 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:08.320 because it's possible that they were really serious about this 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.320 defense for foreign policy. 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.800 Reasons that they were. 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:19.120 They had motives beyond just protecting Clinton, that they were 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.560 like also dealing with the potential foreign policy consequences of 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:28.639 this entire thing being known to an ally is crazy. 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.800 By fall of ninety eight, when the Wide River things 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.720 happen Eastern Shore, I remember when that when that was 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:40.520 happening eastern Shore of Maryland, the world kind. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.119 Of the public knew about all of this. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.240 So like the value, the value of that blackmail by 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:51.080 then was much diminished by the fact that it was 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:55.040 everywhere already. And then you had you had the midterms 0:20:55.359 --> 0:21:00.440 where Democrats overperformed despite all of this stuff, right, because 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.760 when did he when did it all break? That he 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.720 admitted it. I don't remember exactly what. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.679 Oh man, the like that he that's a good question. 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.119 The timeline is important in this context. But yeah, I 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.880 mean the whole thing this is August. 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.960 Oh so he admitted in the grand jury testimony in 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:22.160 August nineteen ninety eight. 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:23.960 But I don't think we knew that till ninety nine, 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:24.440 didn't we. 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:26.240 No, But then he knew it was going to leak, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:31.000 so they put it out immediately. Okay, yeah, I mean 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.920 so by the time that Yahoo at why River is 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.360 allegedly like blackmailing him with the tapes and telling him 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.600 that and he's and it's an interesting phrasing that that 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.520 he's alleged to have used, which is, hey, those tapes 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.800 I mentioned like, don't worry, we destroyed them. 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:51.119 It's like, oh, sure you did. 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.400 So, but it's a way of you know, mentioned bringing 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.080 them up. And of course I'm not threatening you. This 0:21:57.160 --> 0:22:00.280 is crazy, right, I would never do such a thing. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.520 Well, it's kind of like it's actually kind of like 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:07.240 the Epstein Bill Gates email, which reportedly was you know, 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:09.960 it was about the woman that Bill Gates had an 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.359 affair with, like the professional poker player. I think she's 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.760 a professional poker player that Bill Gates had an affair with, 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:19.200 and Epstein basically sent Bill Gates an email being like, Hey, 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:23.600 I think he asked for like some type of payment 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.399 related to the not for like any sexual stuff, but 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:32.200 like just a scholarship something like that, just to let 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.439 Bill Gates know he knew about this woman with whom he. 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:35.040 Had an affair. 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:36.600 Yes, exactly, you can't. 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.280