1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: It's time for another Bachelor rekeep. It's episode six. Yes, 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: after two episodes last week, we're into episode six this week. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 2: What an incredible episode to have. Montreal is beautiful, absolutely gorgeous. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: It shows up well again. I think Joey's season is 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: going to some of the best places and it doesn't 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: look like it's gonna. 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: Stop because oh my gosh, yeah, Jasper. I was like, 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: where is this. Nobody knew where they were going. They're like, 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: we're going to Jasper. I don't think Maria even knew. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Like the perfect week for a princess date always one 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: of our favorites is when somebody gets to get dressed 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 2: up and treated a real nice Maria has that date. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: Here's the big headlines as we start to break this 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: down for me, Maria skyrockets instead the top three. For me, 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: I am a huge supporter of Maria. I have no 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: clue what's been happening in the last few weeks. I 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: am more confused than ever at why this line cleanly, cleanly, 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: and it just makes me go, hey, they drop the storyline. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,279 Speaker 2: Everybody seems to be happy. That's still there. The people 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: that are there make sense to me, and so whatever 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 2: was happening in these last few episodes, we should forget them, 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: because I don't think they were as dramatic and as 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: detrimental to the journey of Joey and these wonderful ladies 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: as the show tried to make it seem. Maria is 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: in my top three, and I think she's gonna stay there, 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: maybe even top two. 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: I would probably agree that she seems top three right now. 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: But he also just seems to like everyone in this 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: top six so much. This is one of those great 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: seasons where once you hit top six, you actually don't 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: know what move he's gonna make because all of these 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: girls have had one on ones. All of these girls 35 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 3: have gotten multiple roses through like through before Rose ceremonies, 36 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like they've gotten group date 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: roses and all that. So like, yeah, it's gonna be really, 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: it's gonna be shocking. Honestly, whoever gets eliminated next week. 39 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: Isn't it great? I Mean I can't remember a season 40 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: like this where we'll know, remember, we already know the 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: top six, and we're so invested into each of them 42 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: like some seasons at the top six, we're like, how 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: we don't even know this person? Like what are they 44 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: still doing here? Like obviously they're weren't going home next week. 45 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: Usually there's one rando that you're like, you didn't have 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: a one on one, Like why? 47 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: What? What are we doing here? This doesn't make sense. 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 2: So Ashley, my uh to kind of kick this off. 49 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: My curiosity comes back to you then to say what 50 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: has made this season so good when it comes down 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: to the top six. Now, you just mentioned that Joey 52 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: likes all of them. They've all had one on ones, 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: they've gotten roses, all those things. But I don't know 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: if that is the delta that's made this different than 55 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: past seasons. What about this top six feels different? 56 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: We do know them better, but I don't know why 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: we know them better. They've all gotten a lot of 58 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: screen time, but it doesn't feel like some of the 59 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: girls that have already left didn't get screen time. Like 60 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: I feel like we've just I don't know what it's been, Okay. 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: I really think it's the lack of drama. I think 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: the lack of drama allows the space for people's personal 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: stories to be shared, and for us, this. 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 3: Since they should have not had any drama then, because 65 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: we all know that the drama that they did have 66 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: was stupid. 67 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: But it really didn't take up that much time. Like 68 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: I know, we had an episode where it felt like 69 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: it was kind of like filtering through the whole thing, 70 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: but in the midst of the drama, we still saw 71 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: one on ones, we saw stories. The drama was not 72 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: the episode cliffhanger. Every time for the first five weeks 73 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: it took up an episode, but in past seasons recently, 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: drama has taken up the first five episodes fairly consistently 75 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: other than the first episode, So two through five all drama. 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: It's all chaos. Everybody's arguing, somebody's mad at somebody else. 77 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: We're waiting for that person to get home because the villain, 78 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: we just don't want to see him there this season. 79 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 2: Call Sidney whatever you call her, if you just call 80 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: her you know, a nuisance, if you call her cringe, 81 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: if you call her a villain, or if you just 82 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 2: call her misunderstood, whatever you want to call her. She 83 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: she didn't. She would definitely be known as the person 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: that was most focused on when it comes to the 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: drama of the season. But even then we didn't really 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: get to know Sidney, like it wasn't like her screen 87 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: time was that much more than other women. And as 88 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: a result, I think we have to know them and 89 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: I think that's what we've been missing is love conquers 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: the drama, and that's what we want. 91 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: That's what we want, and that's what we've gotten. It's 92 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: been great, but it's been very well done season. I'm 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 3: really I'm really happy, and the feature. 94 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: Too, like, let's just keep this going. We don't need 95 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: the most dramatic season ever. In fact, Ashley, I do 96 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: have a question. I don't know, out of curiosity, does 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: Jesse start the season saying this is gonna be the 98 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: most dramatic season ever. 99 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: No, we don't really. I don't remember having an intro 100 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: like that, because remember we had that scene that you 101 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: thought was from Charity season, which was the moment at 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: the altar the roast ceremonial els are. 103 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the past, obviously we started the season 104 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 2: by saying this is gonna be the most dramatic season ever. 105 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: It obviously people feel like it has to live up 106 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: to it. The show for a long time was trying 107 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: to live up to that. I think it was a 108 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: downhill slide for them, so we're kind of reversing course. 109 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: It feels like a season of the past. Let's dive 110 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: into it. They're again in Montreat all Jesse is the 111 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: first to see the women. It is beautiful. It looks gorgeous, 112 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: and what Jesse explains from the very beginning is that 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: there's gonna be a group date in two one on ones. 114 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: Everybody's getting a date this week. The first date is 115 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: a group day. It's a scavenger hunt. Ashley, this felt 116 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: like it was set up to be an awkward date 117 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: to me, Like I was thinking, this obviously felt awkward. 118 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: The girls kind of felt disconnected going into the cocktail party. 119 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: It kind of felt like one of those dates where 120 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Joey was never going to really be able to to 121 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: win or to make them feel seen because everybody's running 122 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: around like crazy in their own little groups instead of 123 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: maybe competing in a sporting event where Joey could kind 124 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: of stand on the sidelines. A group date for me, YEA, 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: when I did it like these would always be the 126 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: most intimidating because there's no way to give everybody equal attention, 127 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: and at this point you obviously have people that are 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: feeling very pushed aside because they didn't get the one 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: on one, so they're already mad. They're kind of bringing 130 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 2: down the vibe of the group. Yeah, it's really hard 131 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: to navigate. 132 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, this definitely gets to be to the point where 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: there are people there are like a few that haven't 134 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: had one ones and they're like super sad, and then 135 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: those people who have had one ones and they're like, 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: I've had one on one, I can't do a group 137 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: date anymore, you know, So that's always difficult. I mean 138 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 3: my takeaway My biggest memory from this though, was honestly 139 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: them making poutine and Jen's connection with him there and 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: him saying that he feels like she really stands out 141 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: moments like that and she's able to make it seem 142 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: like it's just the two of them and she doesn't 143 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: feel the threat of the other women around her. 144 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Talk about somebody that we could learn from when it 145 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: comes to how you navigate a group date. 146 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 3: I know, I was honestly jealous watching her, Yeah, like 147 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: she really is, Yeah, she really is so comfortable, and 148 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: I was. It brought me back to those moments and 149 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: how I was like, I don't know how I'm supposed 150 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 3: to stand out or like even like speak when there's 151 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: other girls around, because even just like saying like one 152 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: random sentence in the group makes you feel like everybody's 153 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: going to go and analyze that sentence and you're like, 154 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: is that stupid? I didn't set in the first place. 155 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: I just said it so that like I would say something. 156 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I never wanted attention on the group dates. Really, uh, 157 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: it was never like a It would never made me 158 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 2: feel any better or worse to get attention on the 159 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: group dates. Quite honestly, it would just it kind of 160 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 2: felt like something I could stand in the background of 161 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: and let everybody else who really wanted to stand out 162 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: stand out, and I would then have my time at 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: some point, like I always knew WI, Yeah, I always 164 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: have my time. I just didn't need to be the 165 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: funniest or the mouse out going or be the one 166 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 2: like hanging on the lead. 167 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 3: It just then that's just because you're naturally so alluring 168 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: and like appealing. 169 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: That's really sweet. You should ask my wife. 170 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: You wouldn't need to do that. 171 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 2: Well. I also just think it would make me like 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: you kind of like you were saying. My point was 173 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: it made me uncomfortable like, I don't want to be 174 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 2: in a group setting and be the one that like 175 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: kisses the lead is awkward. That is weird in a sense, 176 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: I found it inappropriate. I still find it inappropriate to watch, 177 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 2: Like give that space to do that in your private time. 178 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: That could just be me, but it was never something 179 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 2: that I desired. Now there is a huge difference here, 180 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: and I think the big point of this group day 181 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 2: leads in the cocktail party, and you have the difference 182 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: of Jin who I think could be really hysterical if 183 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: we just like saw more of her. I mean, with 184 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: the few lines that she said on this episode made 185 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: me laugh, Like she once studied abroad and the only 186 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: thing she learned how to say was I'm not wearing underwear. 187 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: Like I think that was actually like really funny and 188 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: it was like a really like like lighthearted way for 189 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: her to enter into this day. Yeah, I thought it 190 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: was hilarious. And then so you have Jess who's freaking out. 191 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: And I don't want to say I told you so. 192 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 3: No, you did, though, and I agreed with you. 193 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: Last week. 194 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: I said she's leaving, and I knew that she would 195 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: leave on the group date. 196 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, I said, I told I said this at the 197 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 2: very first episode, Ashley, No. 198 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: I know you're right. You called it. She does have it, 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 3: Like there's just a vibe she puts out there that's like, Oh, 200 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: she's just gonna say too much, too soon, she gona 201 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: and he's gonna be like, Nope, don't feel that way, 202 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: because you said that, I gotta. 203 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: Let you go. 204 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: But he would have had he would have let her 205 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: go at the Row ceremony either way. But he obviously 206 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: let her go on the group date because she's like, 207 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 3: I am I'm falling, and he was like I am not. Yeah, 208 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: this is unfair to keep you around. It was just 209 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: the writing was so. 210 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 2: On the wall, and it's good. I think it's good 211 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: of a lead now that would have been up to him. 212 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: The show is not saying, hey, she's going to come 213 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: in and say this to you, and you know, like 214 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 2: in that moment and it is kind of an unspoken rule. 215 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: I remember I sent somebody home I don't know exactly 216 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: who on a group date and the producers freaked out 217 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: because they're like, oh really, Oh, They're like, we won't 218 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: have a Row ceremony this week, like you don't have 219 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: any other Like for whatever reason, enough people had gone home, 220 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: were like, we need like our number was yeah, right, 221 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: we needed six next week and we are down to six. 222 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: So did you not have a road ceremony? 223 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 2: No, we got it canceled? 224 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: No way. Okay, Well, then the girls this week were 225 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 3: doing the math and they thought there was going to 226 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: be only three girls eliminated, with Lexi having decided to leave, 227 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: they got that ROAs ceremony was just going to eliminate 228 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: one girl. 229 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 2: Well, at this point lead kind of yeah, it was 230 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: not a shocker, right, No, No, she had definitely I 231 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: think they thought maybe she could stick around and play 232 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: a role to, you know, cause a little case. I 233 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: don't think at this point it makes sense for chaos 234 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: to be brought in because I really don't know if 235 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: any of the women here really give any time to 236 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: chaos or any type of drama. I think they would 237 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: all be like, yeah, you're good, like you do whatever 238 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: you got to do. But I'm not listening to this. 239 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: With Ess gone, I think the show I think it 240 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: was like, no, Leah's gone. Caitln was one. I do 241 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: feel like we didn't see a lot of her. It 242 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,479 Speaker 2: never really felt like they clicked, even in their last conversation. 243 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: It just felt like it was too far gone that 244 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: the show had moved past, you know, kind of where 245 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: their relationship stood. I did see a funny meme that 246 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: I really hadn't even thought about, but it was like, 247 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: I bet Leah wishes she would have kept that card 248 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: now to get the one on one date because because 249 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: she never got one. 250 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's because she would have gone on a 251 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: one on one and would have gotten and she would 252 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: have gotten eliminated on it. 253 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: Just absolutely wild though, just the scene with Jess. I 254 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 2: want to dig into that a little bit. I think 255 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: that's a good move from Joey is to send somebody 256 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: home in that manner, because what he did get to 257 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: do is explain himself a little bit and walk her 258 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 2: out and not. 259 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: Walk her out in front of the other girls, which 260 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: I was petrified of. 261 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it would have been too awkward. 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: And so I know it feels a little cold maybe, 263 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: but that is the most sensitive way, given the fort 264 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: framework of the show, to actually send somebody home is 265 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: to do it like he like, like he did it 266 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: with Jess. It just gives more time than ever good. 267 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: He's so good, Ben, He's like he really reminds me like, 268 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: I think you're the closest one of his like demeanor. 269 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: He's good, Like I think you were the last one 270 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: who had like such a kind and warm demeanor in 271 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 3: moments like this. 272 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: Well, he's really good and I was waiting for this 273 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: moment we talked about a little bit last week. You know, 274 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: I think Joey is absolutely fantastic. I have nothing but 275 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: great things to say about him. I think he is authentic. 276 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: I think he is genuine. I think he is trying 277 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: his best in this moment to not only do this 278 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: journey well, but also make the women that come feel 279 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: cared for or maybe they're happy that they at least 280 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: gave it a shot with him. I think all those 281 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: things mark a really great lead, and I think Joey 282 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: is that. The one thing I was confused about up 283 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: to this point, or just waiting for maybe, was where 284 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: is Joey's empathy at? Because he, yes, he does respond 285 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: well in the midst of these stories, and he does respond. 286 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: You can tell he cares and you can tell he listens. 287 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: But everything to this point has marked that Joey is 288 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: feeling this. Also, remember last week we talked about how 289 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: heavy this must be on him hearing these these true stories, 290 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: these really incredible stories of coming through hardship each and 291 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: every week, maybe multiple times a week, and how much 292 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: that he must have felt it. But he really wasn't 293 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: showing that it was affecting him too much until this week. 294 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we forgot about talking about the open ex scene. 295 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: Until this week, and I think we saw. I think 296 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: for me, what it did was it. I don't know 297 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,239 Speaker 2: how else to say this other than making it sound insensitive. 298 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: It checked one more box off for me when it 299 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: comes to Joey. And I said, no, no, no, no, 300 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: he is feeling this like he is in this. He's 301 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: not just crying because he's hurt. He's crying because this 302 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: has been so overwhelming. He's feeling like maybe he's going 303 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: to get rejected and maybe that he's not going to 304 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: be loved it like he loves somebody else. But I 305 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: don't think he shows this emotion unless he's really feeling 306 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: all the emotions that have been communicated to him throughout 307 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: the course of The Bachelor so far. And so I said, no, 308 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: he isn't it like this dude is feeling everything, which 309 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: is beautiful to watch, and I feel for him, because 310 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: it's so hard when you're doing that and you're in 311 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: that and every moment just, you know, kind of like 312 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: hits your heart. 313 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 3: So do you think that he is hearing these stories 314 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 3: and thinking like I won't be able to support these 315 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: women the way that they'll need me to or because 316 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 3: or do you think he's just having a totally separate 317 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: moment where he's just like everybody thinks I'm perfect and 318 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: I'm not, and I'm having an identity criticis sort of thing, 319 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: because again, this reminded me of you and like the 320 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: whole perfect Bend thing, and like they didn't put that 321 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: umbrella over him the way that they did it for you. 322 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: But it's reminding me of an episode with Charity where 323 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: he was like, they don't really know the real me. 324 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if I really know the real me, 325 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: Like I'm not that great, and I'm like, that's what 326 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: Jared went through with me. He was always like, she'd 327 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 3: thinks I'm the most amazing man in the entire world, 328 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: and I cannot live up to that because I am 329 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 3: so flawed. And if only she knew what I was 330 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 3: really liked behind closed doors, she would never have this 331 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: interest in me, and I feel like that's coming into 332 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: play here with Joey. But I'm also like at the 333 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: same time, thinking about the charity episode and being like, Joey, 334 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: is there something dark and scary about you that we're 335 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 3: not seeing, because this is the second time you're bringing 336 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: it up like this. 337 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's an irrational I mean 338 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: I think for him, he's there's humility being shown. I 339 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: think he realizes he's human. And I also think that 340 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: and I can speak to this a little bit from experience, 341 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: because you're right, I've talked about it. But when I 342 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: remember watching in Jamaica the trailer for my season that 343 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 2: came out and the tagline was the perfect Bin, I 344 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 2: broke down because I knew that one it felt like 345 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: it was inauthentic. It felt like one the show was 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: communicating in me in a way that I did not 347 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: believe was true, and two, it was just setting me 348 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: up for failure. It was just setting me up to 349 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: disappoint somebody at some point. And I thought, yeah, this 350 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 2: is that I broke down. So I can speak to 351 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 2: this a little bit. With what Joey's expressing, I think 352 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 2: a little bit of it is humility I think also 353 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: a little bit of it is the situation he's in. 354 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 2: You know, Joey's an attractive dude, right, But I don't 355 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: believe that he was walking around Hawaii and every girl 356 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: was swooning over him. I'm sure the girls were like, Oh, 357 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: he's so cute. 358 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: Have this haircut? 359 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, have a haircut. 360 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 3: But I'm still I don't know what happened to this man. Okay, 361 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it. A lot of our time 362 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: on Charity season, I was like, yeah, like he's cute. Yeah, Okay, 363 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 3: he's cute. And now I'm like, is that is a 364 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: hot man? 365 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well? And so I do think when you get 366 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: in a situation like this and you have all these 367 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: incredible women that are staying around for you, and you're 368 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: emotional because all these women have incredible stories and they're 369 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: expressing themselves to you, and they're expressing their feelings to you, 370 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: and you're like, you feel uncomfortable. Quite honestly, you don't. 371 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: I think good leads don't ever feel it, really feel 372 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: like they're the bachelor. You know. They don't go into 373 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: it being like, yes, come here, ladies, like you want 374 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: to date me, Like you're lucky to be with me. 375 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 2: I think when it comes to Joey, he's humble, he's 376 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 2: not used to this, and he's creating all these stories 377 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 2: in his head, mostly around and what I think he's 378 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 2: pointing to is at the end of this, if I 379 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: am lucky enough to be with one of these amazing women, 380 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: they're going to be greatly disappointed in who I am 381 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: and what my life looks like. You know, I mean, 382 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 2: he what right now? I think he's publicly said he 383 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: lives with his sister. Yeah. 384 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: Jared had that insecurity too. He was like, do you 385 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: know what? She has? No idea like the lifestyle I 386 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: will be able to give her right now. 387 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's I do think there's a lot of 388 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: emotion being expressed through his concerns, and I think we 389 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: have to look past what he's saying and when it 390 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: comes to these women think I'm perfect, and look more 391 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: into what he's actually trying to communicate, which is I 392 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: don't know if they really know me. It's not like 393 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: I have a deep, dark secret. It's not like I 394 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: don't think I'm a good dude. I wouldn't sign up 395 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: for this if I didn't think I was at least 396 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: able to be married or at least maybe husband material. However, 397 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: I do think I'm gonna fall short of their expectations 398 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 2: of me, and that scares me. I think it's a 399 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: real fear, and I think it's a fear that I 400 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 2: hope we get to see more of, or at least 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: him communicate more of, because I think it's only gonna 402 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: make us more related or like, feel more relatable to him. 403 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: Do you think that they're building this up though, for 404 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: him to get dumped at the altar and like, because 405 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 3: it seems like that it's they're trying to build a story. 406 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, do you know what happened? 407 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 3: No, he's too close to Joey guys, he knows things. 408 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,719 Speaker 2: I think we'll get a happy ending because he's kind 409 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: of pointed to that. I do believe we're going to 410 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: get a happy ending here. I don't think we should 411 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: set ourselves up as viewers to believe that this is 412 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: going to be a really sad story, okay or ending. 413 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: I do though, think that, unfortunately, the signs are all 414 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: pointing based on the fact that six women left, and 415 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: as you said it, he feels all six of them, 416 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: and he's into all six of them. These next few 417 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: episodes are going to be heart wrenching to watch. He 418 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: is going to be torn to pieces because he has 419 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: to send some of these home. He's not going to 420 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: understand why he's sending so and so home because they, 421 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: in any other given circumstance, could be somebody he would 422 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: see himself being spending his life with. Every week from 423 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: here on out is going to be heart wrenching and 424 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: it sucks. It's so hard. I've been in it, and 425 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 2: it's so hard. He's going to be in his room 426 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: balling his eyes out, being like, what in the world 427 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: did I sign up for? 428 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: I'm so sad for him, but I'm just so happy. 429 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: I know, I'm so bumped. I'm so excited. 430 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: Oh sorry, Joey. Okay, wait, let's talk about something else 431 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: right now. Lexi and her decision to leave on her own, 432 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 3: because it is at the group date where she poises 433 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 3: the question to him, like, what is your timeline if 434 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: you leave here with somebody? And he does say two 435 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: to three year long engagement, which is a long time 436 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: for an engagement in my point of view, but I'm 437 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: taking into consideration this is a different process, and in 438 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: his mind it's probably like, well, we're kind of dating 439 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 3: for one and a half two years, then we'll plan 440 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: the wedding and get married then, So that would have 441 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 3: thrown me off of our Lexi thirty year old Lexi 442 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 3: with endometriosis, who has talked on Instagram recently about how 443 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: she had just frozen her eggs like oh, two weeks 444 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 3: before going on The Bachelor. She was still recovering from that. 445 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: She actually said that she felt so insecure about how 446 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: puffy her face was. I'm like, girl, are you kidding me? 447 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: Like a supermodel. So they both handled that question conversation 448 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 3: really well. He was so honest and then she, I'm 449 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: sure was very disappointed in hearing the answer, but still 450 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: like took it really well. And then a couple of 451 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,239 Speaker 3: days later she know, she mulls it over and just 452 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: realizes that that's not something that she can't work with 453 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: that timeline. He does say that for the right person, 454 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: he could, like it could change. So my question to 455 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: you is, do you think she should have stayed a 456 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: week or two longer, bearing that she was going to 457 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: get roses during that time, or did she make the 458 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 3: right decision in leaving, because maybe she could have been 459 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 3: the person to change his mind. Even though I know 460 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: we said last week after they're one on one that 461 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 3: we didn't feel such strong chemistry between them, But when 462 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 3: she left, Joey certainly made it seem like they had 463 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: something really strong and big. 464 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: Mmm, you think I disagree, But you. 465 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 3: Think that he was just trying to be nice? What 466 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: do you think? 467 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: No? 468 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: I think if I think if your future wife walks 469 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 2: out at this point in time, you would be broken up. 470 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to change. I'll do this for. 471 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: You, like you would be like almost at a point 472 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: where you like beg or you're like no, no, no, please, don't, 473 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: please don't. Then once they decide to leave, you get 474 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 2: like you feel like the world's swirling around you. I 475 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: don't feel like that. Okay, he happened to him. I 476 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: think he cared about her, and I think he saw 477 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: her in a great light. But I think both of 478 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: them knew that this was not going to be there forever. 479 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: Person see. 480 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 3: I thought that she knew that, which is why she 481 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 3: made the decision. But he just seemed like he said 482 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 3: something really intense, like. 483 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: It would have been one of Joey's greatest fears would 484 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: be at this point in time hit one of his 485 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: top three women leaving like it would crush him. I'll 486 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: tell you that it would destroy him. 487 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 3: If we're talking like Kelsey or Daisy's helling him this 488 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: like it's different. 489 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Kelsey, Daisy. I don't think 490 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: I could put Maria in there. Kelsey t I would 491 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: put in there. Probably Rachel I'd put in there. Still. 492 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 2: I think Maria might be in my top three. But 493 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: I don't think Joey's fully convinced yet. I just I 494 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: think there was like a too much in the middle 495 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 2: of their relationship. But I would say, if let's just 496 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: use Daisy as an example, if Daisy came to him 497 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: said I'm going to go home, he would be a wreck. 498 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 2: Like you would see a different reaction. So it didn't. 499 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: I think it's a good decision by her, and I 500 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 2: think it makes sense. I think it's a very mature 501 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 2: decision to make. I know, it's hard to leave this 502 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: show because you're having a great time and you want 503 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: to know where you're going next, and it's exciting to 504 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: be with the women, and Joey's great and so you're 505 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: still into kind of dating him and having this experience. 506 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,239 Speaker 2: But for her to say, hey, you know what, like 507 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: I want things that maybe you don't want. At this point, 508 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 2: I've been thinking about it and it's time for me 509 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 2: to go home, like very mature of her. The sad 510 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: part is I don't know how much more will see 511 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: of her, Like I don't think she's the next bachelorette. 512 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: So it's just sad because I liked I enjoyed watching 513 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: her on television. 514 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 3: But that's why we need paradise to happen, guys, because 515 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: it's really too sad to have, like to grow an 516 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: attachment to these characters then never to see them again. 517 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I agree. 518 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 3: Really weird. 519 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: So kelsey T is up next with the one on one, Right, 520 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: kelsey T has a one on one. Been very excited 521 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: for kelsey T to have her a moment because she's 522 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 2: been amazing and she's been patient, and I know that 523 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 2: she started to speak out recently like hey I want 524 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: to one on one. It wasn't shocking that she got 525 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,239 Speaker 2: it this week. It was really cool that she got 526 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 2: it this week. 527 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: That day sucked it aw Okay, yeah, I know that 528 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: he had like you know, the motion sickness and all that. 529 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: While I I kind of dazed. 530 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 2: Out of that. Yeah, circus Lay is so cool, Like 531 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: the concept of it was awesome, and they could have 532 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: been doing really cool stuff with circus La like they 533 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: could have been. There's so many parts of that show 534 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: that they could have experimented with and seen and enjoyed. 535 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: I think circus La is one of the coolest acts 536 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: I've ever seen with my own eyes. I was excited 537 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: when they say we're gonna train with circus La. The 538 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: problem is they literally like said, hey guys, we're gonna 539 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: put you in the most gut wrenching literally things that 540 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: circus La does. We're gonna spin you in a circle 541 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: as fast as you can. We're gonna hang you from 542 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 2: your feet, We're gonna spin you around. We're gonna get 543 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: you in this weird like you know, rat race circle thing, 544 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 2: and we're gonna spin you around again. This was awful, Like, 545 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: who set this up? No, Like, nobody wants to do 546 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: this all the time, especially if weren't trained for it. 547 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: There is They could have been cute, it could have 548 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 2: been exciting, it could have been fun, It could have 549 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: been great promotion for circus La. Instead, it just looked 550 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 2: like it would make my Stomacher. 551 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. So they didn't have any moments of 552 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: real bonding there because he did feel so sick. It's 553 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: wasted afternoon really, But then we go to the dinner 554 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 3: time and I know you're gonna disagree with me. I 555 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: actually didn't think that he felt it so much. There 556 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 3: was a moment where I was like, she is she 557 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 3: gonna share this story and then not get the rose? 558 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 3: You didn't pick up on that. 559 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard for me because I don't have 560 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 2: a lot to compare it to as of recent when 561 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: it comes to incredible dates. I mean, Rachel was close. 562 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: I would maybe say in general, it feels like at 563 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: times on these one on ones they aren't connecting in 564 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 2: a way that the Daisies and the kelsey A's connect 565 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: and so everybody else is kind of catching up to it. 566 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: And maybe that's what we're compared. 567 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 3: To that, Like he told the story and then like 568 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 3: I just felt like he was like hmm, yeah, and 569 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 3: it been here, you know what I mean? 570 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 2: But also like how do you respond? I don't know. 571 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: I think that's actually probably the answer, Ben is that 572 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: he probably just didn't really know how to respond, and 573 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 3: especially with it being like your first day, like you 574 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: probably didn't want to get into religion, especially with the 575 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 3: camera's there, Like that's probably a conversation that he's like, 576 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: you know what, we can save this for the fantasy 577 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: this week. 578 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: If you get there, well, you know, it's different. I 579 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: don't know what Joey's like faith tradition looks like. I 580 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: don't know where he comes from. Personally. For me, it 581 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: was always a big topic, and so we talked about 582 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: our faith and kind of how we saw the foundation 583 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: of our lives and all that quite often because it 584 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 2: was so important to me. It was probably it was 585 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: definitely very prevalent. It never got showed. It was never 586 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: a topic that was ever showed because I think the 587 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: show stays away from it for the moment part. But 588 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: it was always a very common conversation because it is 589 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 2: just common in my life. I'm curious more than anything 590 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: about people's face or lack of face or where you know, 591 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: why the beliefs are the way they are, Like, it's 592 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: a curiosity for me. I think when it comes to 593 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: Kelsey one again, a really like courageous story to share. 594 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: I know that she hasn't shared it often, and I 595 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: know how hard it would be in this environment to 596 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: share it. So I don't want to like not fully 597 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: appreciate what she was sharing. I do think, uh, and somebody, actually, 598 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: I think on my Instagram, give me the official medical 599 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: word for this. But so I'm not gonna say it. 600 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: I mean I wish I could. I can't remember what 601 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: it was said, but thank you for sending me that, 602 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense. He's emotionally exhausted. And when 603 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: you get emotionally exhausted, no matter what somebody's sharing with you, 604 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: like you don't have I mean, at least for me, 605 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 2: you get brain fog and you're like, I don't know 606 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 2: what to say. 607 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 3: Again, Yeah, he's really had like the right thing to say, 608 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 3: and then he was probably just like I don't have 609 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 3: it in me right now. 610 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: No, And I mean, I think that's very fair, and 611 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 2: that's why I don't want to under emphasize just how 612 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 2: like I think with this season, we're getting a good 613 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: picture of how hard it is to be the lead. 614 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 2: And I'd never love when people are like, it's the 615 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 2: hardest thing I've ever done, because quite frankly, it's it's 616 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: wild and there's you know, if this is if the 617 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: bachelor is the hardest thing you've ever done in your life. 618 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: You've got a lot of grown up to do. But 619 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 2: I don't want to underemphasize just how difficult this is, 620 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: especially when you care to be in these moments time 621 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: after time after time after time after time again, because 622 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: you're not trained for it. You're not a therapist, you're 623 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: not in ministry, you're not a psychologist. You're just sitting 624 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: there taking it and trying to feel it with these people, 625 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: and you get tired of it, you get exhausted, and 626 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: you don't always have the right words, and sometimes you 627 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 2: don't even like have any empathy left, at least in 628 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: my situation. And so I just think it's Joey's at 629 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: a point where he's ready to start having fun again. 630 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I feel bad for you've ben pointing it 631 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: out now. 632 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: No, I mean I think he was off. I don't know. 633 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: Maybe he wasn't off. Maybe No, I think that's a 634 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,719 Speaker 2: sign word to say he could have been off. That's okay, right, Ashley. 635 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 2: As humans, how often are you off? You're off? Often? 636 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm off? Often, Like it's okay to be off. You're 637 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 2: expecting a dude or a woman to be on for 638 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: forty straight dates and to be like nailing it and 639 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 2: to be in it. No, you were getting a picture 640 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 2: of the human experience and the human experiences over time, 641 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: you get tired and you can only handle so much 642 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: until you need boundaries and you maybe need to disappear 643 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: for a few days. You know. Joey's talked about how 644 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: he's an introvert. He isn't as outgoing as others. He 645 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 2: probably at this point like all I need is three 646 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: days to go and be silent and sit alone, and 647 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: he ain't gonna get it. 648 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: He totally said that in the beginning of the episode. 649 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: He said, like, I'm not the guy that's like who 650 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 3: I want to have fun and I want to be 651 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: out there and talking all the time. 652 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he probably is desiring alone time. He's 653 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: probably desiring to just breathe, and he isn't gonna get it, 654 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: And so we're just gonna see him get really tired 655 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: and really burnt out until you know, he'll find a 656 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: way to kind of revive himself for those next two weeks. 657 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: But I remember after my season, I slept for like 658 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: a full two days. I could not wake up like 659 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: you were just in a fog of like confusion what 660 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: just happened? 661 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: Well, you also had like a tapeworm, you know. 662 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it's a good excuse. Well, so we 663 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: go from kelsey T's day where she did get a rose, 664 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: she was amazing on it is the connection where others 665 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: are I don't think so, but it does feel like 666 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: there's something there where kelsey T I think will be 667 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: around a while. Still. 668 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: You don't really think a why because think about a 669 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: while right now, because it's like, does she get a 670 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: hometown next or does she not? Yeah? 671 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 2: I think she gets a hometown. 672 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you think she gets a hometown. 673 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: I think she gets hometown. 674 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 3: I think you have to think about your math right here, 675 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 3: because I think you're immediately going to give a hometown too, 676 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 3: as you've said Maria Daisy, I think Kelsey A. And 677 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 3: then all right, so then you're saying, in the toss 678 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 3: up between Rachel, kelsey T and who am I missing 679 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 3: Jen Jen, You're gonna give that one to kelsey T. 680 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: I am, okay, I am. That's my vote right now, 681 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: that's my prediction. But we do have the one on 682 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: want with Maria. I think Maria shine bright, she was awesome. 683 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: She really was. I don't have any other words for 684 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 2: Maria and in this date. Then I watched it and 685 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: I was like, she's she's into Joey, She's feeling these moments. 686 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 2: I was emotional with her. I think it was a 687 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 2: spectacular date at and it it's It was good for 688 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: me also because it felt like it was a date 689 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 2: that moved us past the Maria storyline, where like, we 690 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,239 Speaker 2: don't know if she's causing chaos, we don't know what 691 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: she's actually saying. Why are all these people so mad 692 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: at her all the time? To know that Maria is 693 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 2: this is her moment, Like that's gone and she made 694 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: it through it, and now her and Joey get to 695 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,959 Speaker 2: figure this thing out again. I really like this date 696 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: I did. 697 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 3: It's a great date. It was a good date. She 698 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 3: is so easy to watch on TV. She's so comfortable. 699 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 3: I don't know whether she's just there's a combination of 700 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: her just being comfortable with Joey, comfortable probably flirting and 701 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 3: with men. I feel like she just has that personality 702 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 3: that combined with her comfort in front of the camera, 703 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 3: like she just seems totally herself, like no reservations. 704 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, she does I mean, and she seems totally herself 705 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: with Joey. She seems super into him, Like there's no 706 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 2: question in my mind that she's not there to try 707 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 2: to make this work with him. She hasn't even I mean, 708 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: you would almost expect her to have the personality of 709 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: maybe past contestants where they're always trying to be showy 710 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 2: or shown or be the center of attention. She doesn't 711 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 2: have that. She just feels like a good, big personality 712 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 2: who's confident and who says what she thinks and as 713 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: a result, maybe rubs people the wrong way. But for 714 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: the most part, it just feels like Maria's Maria and 715 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: that's okay. And I think Joey's into it. 716 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: He's so into it. She's different than She's definitely different 717 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 3: than the others. The others have like more of a 718 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 3: serious relationship. They have a more playful relationship. When I 719 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: watch them together, it feels like watching a couple like 720 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: at a bar on a first date, being flirty. In 721 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: This feel like when they're on a date. I feel like, 722 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: this seems like really authentic. This doesn't sound seem like 723 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 3: a bachelor date to me. This just seems like me 724 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 3: like kind of spying in on somebody else's actual date. 725 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very It does feel very real in 726 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 2: so many ways. And so that's why I said Maria 727 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: skyrockets into the top three for me now before. 728 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 3: That she's so confident, and I'm like, I'm a little 729 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 3: jealous of how like she can just strut out of 730 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 3: the dressing room and just be like, Hey, what do 731 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 3: you think I look like in this? Like I would 732 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 3: feel so awkward. But love, of course, I love the 733 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 3: princess date, the pretty woman date, whatever you want to 734 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 3: call it, but like for me to have to model 735 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 3: clothes for a guy that I've never been on a 736 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: one on one date with before, I would feel so awkward. 737 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's great. I mean I do I think 738 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 2: she I think she's really good for the show too. 739 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,439 Speaker 2: I think the show fits her because she is more 740 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 2: confident and she can do all that stuff and not 741 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: be scared of it. And I'm just really happy for 742 00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: her outside everything else that she got to move on 743 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 2: from really probably feeling hated in the house at times, 744 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: and I don't love that feeling. That wasn't like a 745 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 2: really fun couple of episodes to watch. So before we 746 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,479 Speaker 2: give our top threes. They are in Jasper, Canada next week. 747 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 2: It looks gorgeous. There's nothing of note really in the 748 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 2: kind of teaser other than a few people crying. Jen 749 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 2: specifically crying saying she's scared to lose Joey, which is 750 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 2: a big change because Jen at this point has been happy, 751 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 2: go lucky, you know, hasn't really had as much television 752 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 2: time as others. We don't know her, we probably know 753 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 2: her the least out of all of the ladies left. 754 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 2: So something happens where they connect and she really starts 755 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: to share her heart with Joey and she starts to fall. 756 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: We also see Maria say she doesn't know she can 757 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 2: do this anymore. So there's there's obviously going to be 758 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: emotions that come up. I hope it's I hope it's 759 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: from love and not from drama. But it feels like 760 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be all from from love. 761 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:01,839 Speaker 3: From love. 762 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's all going to be from love and 763 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: just everybody's emotions at this point of being sky sky high, 764 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 2: they're just sky high. And as Ashley and I have mentioned, 765 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 2: I don't know who he's really going to send home. 766 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 2: I mean, I did give my prediction, I don't know 767 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 2: if it's right, Ashley. I think I think Kelsey A 768 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 2: and Daisy are the two for me that sit confidently 769 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 2: going forward. I think Maria then would come third. So 770 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 2: let's give our top three for me in this order. 771 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 2: It goes Kelsey A, Daisy. 772 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 3: Maria, Kelsey A, Daisy for me and then yeah, I 773 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 3: think can I can I copy you? 774 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 2: You can copy me because. 775 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 3: I think it might be Maria too. I want to 776 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 3: say it was it could have been Jen, But now 777 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: if you're talking about the seage in the next episode, 778 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 3: there is a little doubt in there. Can I just 779 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 3: also mention that how I think that Kelsey is standing 780 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 3: Kelsey A is standing strongly at like my tops because 781 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 3: it was a sexy moment. I like looked over Jared 782 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,760 Speaker 3: while I was watching it. I was like it was cute, 783 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 3: but like he didn't even notice. He wasn't watching it, 784 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 3: and I was just like, that was swoonye. 785 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 2: I don't know. 786 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 3: He said to her. She said like, I'm falling along 787 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 3: with you, and he was like, would you just whisper? 788 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 3: Did you just whisper that? He's like, say it louder 789 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 3: and I was like, whoa. It was like it was hot. 790 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 2: See I think you know what, I thought, what he's 791 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,919 Speaker 2: so good at this that he was like, hey, the camp, 792 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 2: the audio couldn't pick that up, so you got to 793 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 2: say that louder. 794 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 3: No, I thought that is not what he did. The 795 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 3: way that, the look in his eye when he said it, 796 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: it was just it was. It was a great moment. 797 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 3: It was that was a movie moment. 798 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 2: Come to Papa Joey. It's gonna be a great season. 799 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: We've given you our top threes. We're excited for next week. 800 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:00,759 Speaker 2: We're very invested. So until next time, I've been, I 801 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 2: have been, Ashley. 802 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 3: See you guys. 803 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,640 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 804 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.