WEBVTT - Ep. 85: Bear Grease [Render] - Christmas Tidings, Bear Grease Hats, and Micro Celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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<v Speaker 1>HF Gear, American made, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore,

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<v Speaker 1>like the South American singer. Yeah, okay, that's I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to begin. Everybody from Mexico. Hey, guys, welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>Beargrease Rangdeer. Everyone. That's why we're here. Yes, welcome. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the this is the Christmas edition of the Beargrease Surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we call this one the bear Grease Reindeer? Then? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it? Play onwards? I have I will, I will

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<v Speaker 1>submit that to bear Grease Reindeer. If there was a Bargrease, rightdear,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dear, would the man? What what a group we

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<v Speaker 1>have today? We have? We have the standard, the standard six.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got Brent Reeves to my left wearing a fine

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<v Speaker 1>pair of overalls and I'd say a war down Bargrease hat.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Landbridge, Spillmaker, wearing a Lanbridge wearing the land Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>mustache himself Misty Newcomb here to your left. To your

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<v Speaker 1>left Isaac Neil, assistant to the producer of Bargrease podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>just happy to be invited. And to your left is

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<v Speaker 1>the believer ms self Gary nucom good to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>But who you didn't know, who you couldn't have expected,

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<v Speaker 1>who was going to be here? This is the one

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<v Speaker 1>and only Juju Nuom my mother, and well I'll introduce

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<v Speaker 1>the second the second person after this you figured. It

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<v Speaker 1>is so fantastic to have you here. I am really

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<v Speaker 1>glad to be here. I'm honored to be here at

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<v Speaker 1>the annual Christmas party of bear Grease. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what you've brought for us all? Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>brought some Christmas cookies like I did last year. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just happy to be here and send merry Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>greetings to all your listeners and let them know I

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<v Speaker 1>do read all of their comments and I get on

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<v Speaker 1>the if he does something wrong, are ignores something? So

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, but sometimes you don't answer them. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you. Guji has brought the Christmas spirit

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<v Speaker 1>honest today. Yes, okay, the second guest that we have

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<v Speaker 1>very special guests a first time guest on the Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease Podcast, the One and Only Bailey Reeves. This is

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<v Speaker 1>Brent Reeves daughter. Are you what are you doing for

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas this year? Opening presents? Wow? Nice? Well, why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you wish everybody merry Christmas? Merry Christmas? What would you

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<v Speaker 1>say if you were giving advice to people that are

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<v Speaker 1>going to see their grandpa's, grandma's, their mom and dads,

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<v Speaker 1>their cousins and they're all gonna get together, like what

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<v Speaker 1>what do they need to hear from the Reeves family

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna like really set off this Christmas? What would

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<v Speaker 1>you say, Bailey? Um, make sure you spend as much

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<v Speaker 1>time as you can with him, because you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how much time you have with them, so just make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that make sure that you um spent as much

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<v Speaker 1>time with them this Christmas. That's good, that's very good. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for being here, Mrs Bailey, and good job Bailey.

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<v Speaker 1>You are welcome to stay in here or y'all can

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<v Speaker 1>y'all can leave. Let's roll. Good job Bailey, Good job GIU.

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<v Speaker 1>Except for we would like to discourage all comments, um

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<v Speaker 1>that are me towards Clay which oh that is monitoring.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna I'm gonna put on every post I ever make.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put on every post I ever make, an

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<v Speaker 1>asterisk that says Juju is watching. Be nice to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we just start a hot hashtag watching watching? I

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<v Speaker 1>think you gotta just have her respond to all the comments. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I've always thought back in the day, when Clay was

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<v Speaker 1>making videos bear hunting videos, people would leave the worst comments,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the worst, the meanest. Those those I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's pete to people I don't know, but they're terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would say things like your mom should be

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<v Speaker 1>the hammer. I mean they would they wouldn't say horrible

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<v Speaker 1>things about like violent things that should be done to

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<v Speaker 1>our kids or to Clay's mom, and they would curse

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<v Speaker 1>your And I thought it would be nice to have

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<v Speaker 1>Juju read those comments out loud and just have a

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<v Speaker 1>video of Juji reading these, you know, not nice in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of like, oh this is heartwarming, but just

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<v Speaker 1>so that they realized, like Juju is a really sweet person,

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<v Speaker 1>and before you say mean things about her and her grandkids,

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<v Speaker 1>you should probably realize who you're talking about. Yeah, that's great. Well, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you something I've got a few little little

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<v Speaker 1>things I want to go through on this episode. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about this the secret episode, the bonus

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the what became a four part series on

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<v Speaker 1>Our Secret Agent Man where we had Artie Stewart undercover

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<v Speaker 1>wildlife agent. And then the bonus episode when I met

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<v Speaker 1>I went and met with Claude Maxwell in Ohio was

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as Target number two only, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>which is a major deal, really major deal. Kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a sensitive deal in a way too. So. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that, um lots of bear grease hats,

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<v Speaker 1>sightings in the wild. It's incredible. Yeah, it started off

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<v Speaker 1>with the guy on the on the Bengals in Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>City Chiefs game. I don't know that it started off

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<v Speaker 1>that way. I feel like that's more of an apex,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an apex, right right right. It started out

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<v Speaker 1>with good every day, hard working Americans buying bear grease

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<v Speaker 1>hats and wearing them. And then one of those good

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<v Speaker 1>hard working, everyday Americans went to an NFL game, got spotted,

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<v Speaker 1>got spotted, and then and then another guy was watching

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<v Speaker 1>a hockey game, a hockey game, and there's a Burgharas

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<v Speaker 1>guy just giving him heck and uh, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>put that. I put that online too, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>comments are just full of people saying, hey, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a guy with the Burghera's hat and we went and

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<v Speaker 1>talked and listen to this. Missy and I went to

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<v Speaker 1>Cabella's two days ago because I was I thought this

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good story too. Well, I hope this

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<v Speaker 1>person is listening. We're at Cabella's and we're in we're

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<v Speaker 1>in line and a Cabella's worker goes, I like your

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<v Speaker 1>hat and I said thanks, and I kind of thought

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it was it was a lady. I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>might just like the design. And I just said hey, thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just kind of kept walking and she says

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<v Speaker 1>that's one of my favorite podcasts, and I just I

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<v Speaker 1>just said, oh cool, yeah, yeah, and we kept walking

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<v Speaker 1>and Misty was like, don't tell her. Uh and then uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was pretty cool and uh she recognized

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<v Speaker 1>the hat with the you know the podcast and I responded,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mediocre. I mean, it's got a lot of runway.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was who was telling? Uh? Was it was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you too? That just told us the story about someone? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What did she say? Two people ran into each other?

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<v Speaker 1>That we're both wearing him and this story has told.

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<v Speaker 1>This story was told to her by a person who

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<v Speaker 1>was with one of the people wearing the hats. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that two guys, one that he knew and one

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't, ran into each other and they started

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<v Speaker 1>talking to each other like it was a different language.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he want the hat now? Is he trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get in on the hat train? Who the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>related the story? Why did she get a hat? She

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<v Speaker 1>was getting a hat for some reason. It wasn't for

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<v Speaker 1>that guy. Okay, somebody got a hat though. I went

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<v Speaker 1>on a trip this weekend. Flew down to Texas. Friday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>five thirty at the airport. There's a guy sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>with a bear grease hat. Saturday night, Rockport, Texas. Eating

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<v Speaker 1>at a Mexican restaurant. A guy comes in with a

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<v Speaker 1>bear grease hat. Really, what do you order? We left

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<v Speaker 1>before they ordered. He was he was very appreciative, very

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<v Speaker 1>polite young man. Maybe his name was Trevor. I asked it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I'm gonna remember this. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know Trevor from Rockport, Texas. How did you approach this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Hey, this is weird. That's that's though, if

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<v Speaker 1>a guy has a bear grease hat on, he wants

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<v Speaker 1>somebody to come up and fist bumping and grow up. Yes, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he received it. Well, that's great. I love it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. Third thing on the list the Moose episode

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<v Speaker 1>on me. Did you enjoy it? That was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the better episodes. Why was it? People have said that,

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, why, it was just because you because you

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<v Speaker 1>can't trust people who know you. You can't. You can't

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<v Speaker 1>even trust you herself. Josh, certainly of the hunt, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the hunt, the fact that it's so remote,

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<v Speaker 1>it's such a such a it's it's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>hunt that not a lot of people will get to

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<v Speaker 1>do in their lives. And then you go for nine

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<v Speaker 1>days and you got jack nothing, and then you get

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<v Speaker 1>that last minute. I mean it was like it was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was set up, you know what I mean

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Yeah, Like I didn't even remember we had

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation when I said, man, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>your year like that that wasn't I mean, none of

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<v Speaker 1>these scenes were set up scenes. Literally, we were having

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation and there were two dudes behind us and

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't know filming us, but we kind of knew him,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that, that is what someone who set up

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<v Speaker 1>a hunt to succeed would say, Can we trust you?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you plant the moose there? Oh? I think you

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<v Speaker 1>may have. I think you packed in the moose and

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<v Speaker 1>you planted it just in case helicoptered in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. I'm dropped him in there. What's what's funny

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<v Speaker 1>is that when you started saying stuff like that, like

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<v Speaker 1>people are gonna believe it. Yeah, absolutely, we've inter helicopter.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should cut that out there. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's funny is that I actually posted a video on

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<v Speaker 1>the TikTok of me and Ranella in Alaska at the

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<v Speaker 1>airport and a Chinook helicopter comes in. True story, Chinook

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<v Speaker 1>helicopter comes in. I video it. I turned the camera

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<v Speaker 1>to Ranella and I say, that's the way we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>in there, right, And he says that's the way, which

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<v Speaker 1>it is clearly not true. This is a U. S. Military,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I want to say, they said it was a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty million dollar helicopter, and so I joked that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what was taken us in and he said, that's how

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<v Speaker 1>we helicoptered in the animals. It was a joke. People

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<v Speaker 1>believe it, well, I don't know it was on it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the talk. I think it can only be beneficial

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<v Speaker 1>to have people out there talking about it, spreading rumors.

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<v Speaker 1>Then people go watch the episode, bumps up. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>bad press. So I'm getting to the Dollar build. Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see the episode yet? What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't like it? You didn't? Whoa, because I'm sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take a nap. You want to take

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<v Speaker 1>a nap right now? I'm retired, man, I'm not used

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<v Speaker 1>to working. No, No, it was. It was excellent. It

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<v Speaker 1>was excellent. Uh you know when you told the story,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think where I heard the story. You

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<v Speaker 1>told that y'all were in camp ready to go packed up,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ronella said, I'm going to the possum front. Yeah Bill, yeah, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't tell that part. Yeah, you know. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that was a highlight. Actually it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was real good without it. But I enjoyed that

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<v Speaker 1>part because it tells you a lot about Ronnella. Why

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<v Speaker 1>he is where he is is. I mean, you're worn out,

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<v Speaker 1>you've been there ten days. This guy still fired up,

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to kill something. Yeah, his instincts took him to

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<v Speaker 1>the exact correct spot yep, and then turns it over

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<v Speaker 1>to you. So yeah, and I thought the same thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I really wish they had included that, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the story that I told about that moose hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>we were all but like packing up to leave, like

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<v Speaker 1>we're done. We'd already like shot the ending scene of

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<v Speaker 1>the video and we're going home after nine days with

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<v Speaker 1>no moose and like really discouraged, and then just on

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<v Speaker 1>a whim, we don't even have time to kill a

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<v Speaker 1>moose because the planes are coming, and Rannella, it wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I was done. Was there some particular

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<v Speaker 1>reason that he went to that spot? Just it was

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<v Speaker 1>no been there in a few days, okay, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was the it was the worst spot we had to,

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<v Speaker 1>like we never we've never seen a bull moose there

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason, but we just hadn't been there in

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of days. And so he was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna walk up to the porcupine. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, how far was it? Probably half mile,

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<v Speaker 1>so it would have been just as a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>easier just to kick back weight on the airplane you

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<v Speaker 1>get there and nap. Yeah, like I thought. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was we were done, man, like done. And because even

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that day the producer had said, hey, we really

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<v Speaker 1>can't kill a moose anymore because wait, so how did

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<v Speaker 1>you resolve it then? Man, Ronnell is dead serious about hunting,

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<v Speaker 1>like he was just like, we'll figure it out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't think we're really planning to kill one. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I mean, because the planes were coming and

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<v Speaker 1>you shot one, did you just tell the planes got you? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>So the way it worked is the planes were coming

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<v Speaker 1>in the more and it was late in the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>They aren't real fast, and everybody was involved well, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were able to bump the plane back, which we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think we could do because the moose season ended,

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<v Speaker 1>so all the hunters they had out, we're all trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get home and so it was real. It was like,

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<v Speaker 1>well they may not be able to get you out.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh if you if you lose your spot, it maybe

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<v Speaker 1>two days before they can come get you. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they were worried about it. But it just the

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<v Speaker 1>way it worked out. We were able to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come it come later in the day and they were

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<v Speaker 1>like that's no problem. So it ended up working out,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was it was pretty incredible. But the antlers

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<v Speaker 1>look awesome up on the wall in there, Yeah, they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They do. So this is what I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about though. In a picture that's on the f h

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<v Speaker 1>F Gear Instagram page, there's a picture me glass and

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska and I've got I've got my big puffy

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<v Speaker 1>jacket on, and I've got their new bino harness, which

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<v Speaker 1>they've got a new bino harness they're coming out with.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the top of that Botto harness you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar bill and the American dollar bill. And somebody

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<v Speaker 1>zoomed in and spotted that American dollar bill and I

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to explain why that was there. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the just randomly I found it in my pocket while

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<v Speaker 1>I was hunting. We're in the back country for nine

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<v Speaker 1>days with like six people, and I had the thought

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<v Speaker 1>that if things go to pot and they don't come

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<v Speaker 1>to get us, that this dollar bill, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>the start of a great novel. You with me, six

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<v Speaker 1>people in the wilderness, that they would find on your

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that represents the the lost civilization that has

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<v Speaker 1>now been destroyed let's say let's say let's say we're

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<v Speaker 1>out in the wilderness, the apocalypse happens and the earth

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<v Speaker 1>is destroyed. Everybody's dead except for us because we're way

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<v Speaker 1>in the back country. And whatever got us didn't think

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<v Speaker 1>about us in the back country. This American dollar bill,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is the start of a novel. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's called the American dollar Bill. And and this is

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you're in the back country too long.

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<v Speaker 1>So this dollar bill then, because we have to build

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new like like human order amongst like the

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<v Speaker 1>six of us, you know, and whoever has the dollar

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<v Speaker 1>bill has the power of the castle. Yeah, And so

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<v Speaker 1>the novel is about that nap sounding a whole lot better.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this a sequel to American Buffalo? In some ways

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about this NonStop. My novel about the treachery,

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<v Speaker 1>backstabbing in every character would reveal a part of human

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<v Speaker 1>nature that is in eight in people. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>end there would be like some massive redemption because it's

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<v Speaker 1>bargaries with me. That was the main reason I kept

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<v Speaker 1>the dollar bill close. But the second practic, a little

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<v Speaker 1>more functional reason, was I said I would give that

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<v Speaker 1>dollar to anybody that could find me a black bear

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<v Speaker 1>that I could shoot. Yeah, I had a black bear attack.

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<v Speaker 1>You keep the dollar. Nobody found me a black bear.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw a black bearar was too far so didn't qualify.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I got to have a black bear

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<v Speaker 1>that's like in range, you know that I could actually

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<v Speaker 1>take And if you find me that bear. This dollar

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<v Speaker 1>bill is yours. Do you still have it? I think

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<v Speaker 1>I spent it. Cold coke have more value up there

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska. Josh, tell us about your recent I have

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<v Speaker 1>reached uh microlebrity celebrity startom. I was down at the

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<v Speaker 1>down at the river the other day on last weekend

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<v Speaker 1>fly fishing and h the fish were biting. Good man,

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<v Speaker 1>We're just pull them out, right. But I moved down

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<v Speaker 1>to a new section and to drive up a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit where I was at and I moved down to

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<v Speaker 1>a new section. Can you drop me a pen? I'll

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<v Speaker 1>put it on Instagram page. I moved down to a

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<v Speaker 1>little section. There was a guy fishing on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the river, and I, you know, I gave

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<v Speaker 1>him a few yards so he could catch some fish there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I noticed as I was walking down he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>catching any fish and I just I walked into the

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<v Speaker 1>water and just went bam, bam bam. Caught three fish

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<v Speaker 1>right back to back. And he goes, man, you're on fire.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, I said, well, you know, I told

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<v Speaker 1>him what I was fishing with. I said, try this.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, they're biting these really good. So so tie

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<v Speaker 1>one of those on if you got one, and uh

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<v Speaker 1>he he fishes and he did. I pulled another one

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<v Speaker 1>out and he goes, he goes, is your name, Josh?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, uh yeah, and he goes. He goes,

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<v Speaker 1>like as in the land Bridge. I was like, I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>I recognized your voice. Yeah, he recognized you. He recognized

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<v Speaker 1>my voice. He goes, he goes, Bear Grease, my favorite

0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:18.480
<v Speaker 1>podcast man. His name with Stokes. He was swearing a hat,

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<v Speaker 1>but not a Bear Grease hat. You hate to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good to hear, that's great to hear. I'm living large,

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<v Speaker 1>living larch, living large. Next thing on list, Brent Reeves

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<v Speaker 1>is hunting my dog, hoot hoot Brent. So I we

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<v Speaker 1>live in the in the Ozarks, in the mountains. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you were if you were explaining this to a

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<v Speaker 1>kid and you were talking about the the the bio,

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<v Speaker 1>I swear I'm looking for, like the bio productivity of

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<v Speaker 1>a region. Okay, you would, you would essentially be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about at a real foundational level, the richness of the

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<v Speaker 1>soil literally translates into the how many how many animals

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<v Speaker 1>and the carrying capacity of the land for all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff like the size of trees, the amount of raccoons,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of deer, the amount of waterfowl, how big

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<v Speaker 1>deer antlers are. It all goes back to the soil.

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<v Speaker 1>Well in the Ozarks. The Ozarks, my friends, are is

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<v Speaker 1>an eroded plateau, an uplifted plateau that was was bumped

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<v Speaker 1>when the South American continent bumped into the North American continent.

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<v Speaker 1>This is I'm going to start a new podcast called

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<v Speaker 1>orogeny mountain forming process. Okay, So the the the the

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<v Speaker 1>spring Field, It's called the Springfield Plateau, which was bulged,

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<v Speaker 1>a bulged sex and of land that eroded. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Ozarks were formed by erosion, which means all the good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff left. Now I'm fully in. But where exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>it went into the to the to the Gulf coastal region,

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<v Speaker 1>the the the basically the Mississippi River Delta. It literally

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<v Speaker 1>formed the dirt of Louisiana. Okay, come on, And so

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<v Speaker 1>the raccoon hunting is better down there. That's exactly as

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you were down there hunting, because I've had

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<v Speaker 1>to had this call through the hides that were left,

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<v Speaker 1>and I only got enough for four more hats. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that in a second. So Brent lives in

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<v Speaker 1>the Delta region of Arkansas. So Arkansas would be split

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<v Speaker 1>into like the mountainous regions in the Delta region, which

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<v Speaker 1>would be influenced by the great rivers of the heart

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<v Speaker 1>Land of America, the primary river being the Mississippi River,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the White River, um Arkansas, Black River, Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>River River, Cash Money River. And so Brett hunts in

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<v Speaker 1>the flat country where there's a ton of coons. So

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<v Speaker 1>he took my dog. I said all that to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, life's connected, Josh, It's connected, is why it's

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible word. Mountain. Look at this, hold on. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a book here that it would explain it all

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<v Speaker 1>more than one. The Appalachian Wash, it all orogen in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. See that textbook right there, that's as

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<v Speaker 1>thick as your thigh. Never read it, but it's it

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<v Speaker 1>has that word mountainforming processes. Brett, you're hunting, hoot? How's

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 1>she doing? She did good night before last. I went

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<v Speaker 1>over to the farm. We cut her loose, or I

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<v Speaker 1>cut her loose. Man, she hunt gets you on it

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<v Speaker 1>out three hundred three and fifty yards, made a big loop,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bumps something a little bit, may have been

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<v Speaker 1>a deer, may have been a rabbit. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, which she barked a little bit. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's good he doesn't, you know, it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got all the tools. If it all has got

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<v Speaker 1>all the tools. The only other thing that that you

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<v Speaker 1>need is the desire for it to go, and she

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<v Speaker 1>has that desire to go. So even if she's chasing

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<v Speaker 1>off game, I can fix I can fix it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's got the hunt. You're halfway there. So we

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<v Speaker 1>go out and she comes back and move over to

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<v Speaker 1>a different spot and turn loose. And it's cold, man,

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<v Speaker 1>And there a lot of folks up north hunt when

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<v Speaker 1>it's below freezing stuff in their tree and coons on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside of trees. But that down here, if it

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<v Speaker 1>gets below thirty two, coons get scarce on the outside.

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<v Speaker 1>In the delta in the delta appear. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>different in the delta, is all I'm speaking about right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So and if it gets twenty eight, if it's eight

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<v Speaker 1>and below, if you catch a coon on the outside,

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<v Speaker 1>he's probably laying dead on the highway, I mean, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's you just don't see him out there. That they're

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<v Speaker 1>into then to stay warm. So it's man, it's hovering.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like thirty four degrees and she's she's circling and barking,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's really excited. I know she's smelling the coon

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm watching her. I watched her on the Garmen Way,

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<v Speaker 1>the way she fed that or struck that track, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell the way she's just moving just in

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<v Speaker 1>a little intricate left and right and zigzags, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>moving real slow, so you know she's not chasing something

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<v Speaker 1>that she's seeing. She's on an actual track. She's smelling

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<v Speaker 1>a coon. She gets one spot man and she's she

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't locate, she doesn't do the long ball locate. She

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<v Speaker 1>just starts barking and then she stopped. So I slipped in.

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<v Speaker 1>I snuck in there with my red light on. She

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<v Speaker 1>didn't paying anything to me, and I got with it

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<v Speaker 1>about forty yards or where she's at, and I look

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<v Speaker 1>up in the tree and I find a coon. Coon's

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<v Speaker 1>looking right at me, and she is right beneath it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's a leaning tree, so and the coon is

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<v Speaker 1>like from the trunk of the tree, is out probably

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and twenty and probably twenty ft off the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>So she the the coon's been there a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell he's in a big, comfortable place where

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<v Speaker 1>coons would lay up when it's cold like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>though she just couldn't locate where it was that, she

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>could smell the scent in the air, but she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>smell where the coon went up the tree, so, which

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<v Speaker 1>was really a feat in itself because the track was

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<v Speaker 1>so old. But she did really good. So but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't knock the coon out to her, and she eventually

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<v Speaker 1>quit it and we went on on home, all positives.

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.399
<v Speaker 1>She did good. Last night we went I turned her

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<v Speaker 1>loose and she absolutely scalded the hair off a two deer.

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<v Speaker 1>She put him down the road. Oh yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know a dent. It was a deer because I I

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<v Speaker 1>she took off struck and she started making a loop.

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<v Speaker 1>She started coming back to me, and I stepped out

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<v Speaker 1>in this old wood robe, turned my red light on it.

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<v Speaker 1>A big old oh deer come smoking across the hoop

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<v Speaker 1>was right behind so it which it's fine. She didn't

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:10.040
<v Speaker 1>run it that far. She stopped. She co yeah, she

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>come on, and she come on back to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>moved down and she she did another one in that time.

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<v Speaker 1>I give her a little correction on the collar to stop,

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 1>and she stopped. She come back to me and she

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 1>hunt after that. Did she keep hunting? Yeah? Man, I

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 1>remember when I was hunting. When I was hunting Fern

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.520
<v Speaker 1>r I p Fern. I was one of the first

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 1>times I went with another good coon hunter that had

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a good dog, and Fern was probably eleven twelve months old,

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and turned her loose and it was full moon night

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>and she just scalded. As Brent said something that was

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.320
<v Speaker 1>not because they just took it out across She by

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>herself just took it out across a wide open field,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>just barking every breath. I mean just sounds like she's

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.560
<v Speaker 1>about to catch the thing. I mean, ran it out

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of here, and you know, and and He's like, no, no,

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.479
<v Speaker 1>no doubt. It was a trash game and Uh. I

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>was kind of upset about it, you know, just kind

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>of like gone it. Why did she do that? And

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>my buddy said, My buddy was like, Clay, that's good.

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, she she about she wore that thing out,

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>so she had the desire, she had the want, she

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 1>had the go and uh because like Brent said, you

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>can break him off off game, but you can't put

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that fire in them. And so eventually broke her off. Dear.

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.159
<v Speaker 1>But even as good as Fern was a try and

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 1>coon's she would run. I never really could figure it

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 1>out if it was a deer coyotes. But because she

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>was about five years old about once or twice a winner,

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>she just smoked something that wasn't a coon, and you

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.680
<v Speaker 1>know it wasn't. I had never said that when she

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>was alive. Stimulation, the stimulation that's center on that collar,

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 1>it was not pain compliance. All that does is a

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.560
<v Speaker 1>enough to break your concentration. So it was nothing. It

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>would Even Misty has one of those for me, Well

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you need to turn that up because he tells that

0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>story about the Washington. I'm talking to her and it's

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>like I just like I just kind of like went,

0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't really feel pain but I just feel like

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 1>restarted and then she she breaks your concentration. That's all,

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that's all. But she Brent's hunting who and you've been

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>You've been nutting quite a bit though. Oh yeah, yeah.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 1>We had some folks come down, some folks that participated

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>in a contest we had with the Bear Hunting Magazine

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and Blood Origins, and some folks came down from to

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>live up here northwest Arkansas. Ryan and Heather Harris came

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 1>down and we hunted with Michael suns By lights. We

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>hunted over there where we hunted. Uh and oh, Josh Isaac,

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you guys just put a coon hunting video up that

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>we filmed last year. Yeah, we were, we were there.

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 1>We were there at that plug and um and tree.

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I think we hunted two nights. It was cold and rainy,

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and we treat I think lemonre twelve coons both nights,

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean total, you know, so it was we hunt

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot though. That's good, that's good. Talk to me

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>about the coon skins. Well, we I've got six hats

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>made and I went to go start what I thought

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>was gonna be six more. But we're kind of digging

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>into the bottom of the barrel of the coon pads.

0:30:30.560 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>They're they're getting a little small and scraggly down there.

0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.040
<v Speaker 1>They they they you know, they send those they send

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>those hides back, all strung together. And it's like I

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't I wasn't real strategic about the first ones. I

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was grabbing out. But somehow they got all the bad

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>ones in the middle and all the nice ones on

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>the outside because I started grabbing. I'm like, wait a minute,

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't so it. Uh. I mean I've got enough.

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I cut enough pieces that I got four more from half.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>So how many hats do we have? Will be timid,

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>not counting the one out including that one, and I've

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>got I've got that my first prototype. I can probably

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>turn into a useful one too. What about it if

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I got you a couple of possum skins, could you

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>make a hat with that? With the nilo It's a

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>great question. There's a difference low on the wood. I'll

0:31:24.720 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 1>look forward to seeing those. Let's talk about the topic

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>at hand this fourth episode. That didn't see that one coming? Yeah,

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 1>what how do you think? It's it's hard to gauge

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>what people would I would think about it. I mean,

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I got a lot I got a lot of feedback

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>on it, but just you know, you have had to

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 1>have listened to all the episodes to kind of get

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 1>why this was significant. Yep. And it was significant for

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>me to go and meet with Claude, who who all

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>just started off at the very beginning, and just say

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I had a ton of respect for him for meeting

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>with me, and I did my best to really show

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the character that this guy has. And I mean the

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>whole point of meeting with him and and showing who

0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>he was today is to show that you hear about

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody that's a poacher, bad poacher, you would think a

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.959
<v Speaker 1>certain way about who that person would be. I mean,

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 1>especially in a day with internet and internet forums and

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>just we label people so quickly of who this this

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:43.480
<v Speaker 1>person is, and then when you see somebody that the

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>result or thirty years later, they're not who you thought

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:49.800
<v Speaker 1>they would be. I think that's real healthy for us

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to not be so quick to really bring judgment on somebody,

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, and um, and so it was really interesting

0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:02.959
<v Speaker 1>one to meet with Claude, who I really do have

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot of respect for. What do you guys think?

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I listened to it twice and I I felt like,

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, such an incredible story from both sides. But

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I really felt like Claude was kind of the hero

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of the story. I mean not because not just because

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>he got his story out, you know. You know, we

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>can look at and say, well, he really wasn't that

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>mad at a guy. He had seventy four game violations,

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 1>but he really wasn't that bad of a guy. But

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>he I appreciated so much how transparent he was about

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:44.320
<v Speaker 1>everything and how he didn't let that thing define him,

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, and he didn't carry a resentment, but instead

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 1>he literally made an overnight change of who he was

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and how he was going to live the rest of

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 1>his life. And man, that that thing opens up doors.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the decisions that he made opened up

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>doors for success in business, success with his family. Who

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>knows what it could have done to his marriage, you know,

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>but now you look at him now and you think

0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that's not something that just happened, but really that his

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:22.439
<v Speaker 1>life was the product of those decisions thirty years ago,

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and that makes that guy hero. You know. He didn't

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>the system didn't reform him. His choices reformed them. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>If we were all known if our biography or if

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:43.680
<v Speaker 1>our label, it was all from the worst day that

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>we ever had, you know, I mean everybody you see

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:52.959
<v Speaker 1>would be bad. That guy did something and he learned

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>his lesson and he became obviously a very important part

0:34:56.719 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 1>of that community, which puts him in my community. And years,

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 1>if we're hunters, he were all in that community. He

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>did he proved that what what was set out to

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>do worked and that I would I would. That guy's

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>welcome to go hunting with me anytime. You know, I

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>read a book about Neil Armstrong. For years, he wouldn't

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>do any kind of interviews. It wouldn't do anything, wouldn't

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>talk about anything as far as him going, you know,

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>being the first guy on the moon. And he was

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>up in his seventies, early seventies when they wrote this book,

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 1>when he authorized this book to be and the guy

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>was interviewing and asked him why he didn't cash in

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 1>on being the first guy to step on the moon

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>because once it once he came back, he got out

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of space program and he went and taught at a

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>college in Ohio, taught engineering. He didn't do book tours,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>he didn't do speaking engagements, he didn't do anything about it,

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and the guy told me said, well, he didn't think

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it was right for him to receive all the accolades

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>when it was nearly took nearly four hundred thousand people

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>working together to get him to the moon. And he

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 1>said there there was nobody in that system that was

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 1>any or that he wasn't as important as anybody else

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:25.839
<v Speaker 1>or more important anybody else in it. And he did

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 1>not want to be known for one singular accomplishment when

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>he had lived his whole life, that was something he

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:37.560
<v Speaker 1>did one day. And you can look at this the

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 1>same way. Yeah, So that's like the positive, positive side

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of it, but also you can apply it to the negative. Yeah,

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>And I wouldn't. I mean I have I don't have

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 1>any sympathy. I have empathy for him because it affected

0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 1>his whole family, and that I wouldn't want to be

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.799
<v Speaker 1>known for just one singular thing. If it was if

0:36:57.800 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna be known for one single thing, it

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have any thing to do with my work. It

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:07.320
<v Speaker 1>would have something to do with I can't literally discuss

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 1>that yet, are we under I think I think it

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.720
<v Speaker 1>was good. It's a great lesson, and I'm I'm really

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>pleased and proud that the guy did what he did.

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:25.759
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good. I think there's an interesting conversation to

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>be had about the nature of the justice system and

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>how it often functions versus how we say it is

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>to function. Right, we aspire to have a restorative justice

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>system where you have transgressed, you go through this, and

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you don't do that anymore, Like that's what the system

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.280
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be set up. Oftentimes we don't approach

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:49.880
<v Speaker 1>it in that way, and I think that's a rabbit

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 1>hole that we could go down, and there's no point

0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:53.880
<v Speaker 1>in doing it because it will take forever and probably

0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>not produce much fruit. But this is a perfect example

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of restorative justice. Like he's guilty, he said it so

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. But then that to me and I

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>think probably to you, which is why you did this episode,

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>is less interesting than how he reacted once that happened,

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>and we can see that throughout the fruit of his life.

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>You talked about it with his kids, how he has

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>good relationships with his kids who are productive members of society.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:24.279
<v Speaker 1>I think the Bowling Alley is an incredible example. Not

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>to say that it's altruism or whatever, like I'm gonna

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a business, right, but the idea that he

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.879
<v Speaker 1>invested in this thing in this small community, and it's

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's going to provide an outlet for kids and

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>people to have believe Like these are all examples of

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 1>like the fruit of changing and going in a different

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>direction and saying I'm going to be a productive member

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:48.240
<v Speaker 1>of society. I'm going to give back to society. Yeah.

0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:50.799
<v Speaker 1>I felt like you made a very compelling case in

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the podcast about this, so much so that when we

0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 1>got to the point where it was like Andy lost

0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 1>his hunting license forever, I was like, dang, Like I mean,

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>it hit me, like I was like, that sucks, Like

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>he seems like such a great dude. I that sucks

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that he can't hunt anymore. And then like obviously we

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.399
<v Speaker 1>were resolved that in the nature of the story, and

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and I just felt like it showed the powerful impact

0:39:15.360 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of hoping for redemption in a story, you know what

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean? Um. And also a side thing, This may

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>be speaking out of term, but uh, I just uh

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>speaking to the listening audience, Like Claude didn't ask for

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>any of this to happen to him the podcast, and

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you had mentioned that it was turning

0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of attention on him, and so I just

0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>would I think I think it'd be cool to appeal

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.319
<v Speaker 1>to the audience to say, if you are in a

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>position to go there or interact with him, like, be cool. Uh.

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>And even if you're even if it's a positive thing,

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.880
<v Speaker 1>if you want to support him, just remember that he

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't ask for any of this attention. This happened years ago.

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Like the old guy outside the sporting goods store said,

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 1>like you you're talking about it like it happened yesterday.

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 1>This happened years ago. Man. You know, I really did

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 1>apologize to Claude. And when you record an apology and

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.240
<v Speaker 1>listen to it, you sometimes wish you'd have done it different,

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But so you're gonna do it again. Well, no, for me,

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>it was interesting. I actually talked to Steve you know

0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 1>about it about I said, uh, I was getting his

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:35.080
<v Speaker 1>advice and kind of how to handle this thing. And uh,

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:36.839
<v Speaker 1>and I told him, I said, man, it never even

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.439
<v Speaker 1>occurred to me that these guys would still be here.

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know why. I thought, like all poach,

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>all poachers are like old and not here anymore, you

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. And like all these guys are

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 1>still here well, and there was some like modicum of

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 1>respect for that because we from but it just feels

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>so removed, like why would they hear about it or what? Yeah,

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Well, it kind of even

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>goes into the idea of what you how you handle

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>a criminal quote unquote, like someone who's been it's just

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>like there there they you know, they're not as an

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>important there there to be cast out of society, well

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like far but just no, I mean

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>like in terms of the social graces that we afford them.

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I never so I told Ronella, I said, uh,

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:28.839
<v Speaker 1>I said, it never even occurred to me that these

0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>guys are still around. And he laughed and said, Clay,

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.479
<v Speaker 1>as a writer, you always have to assume that they're

0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>very much alive. And he laughed and I was like, noted, uh,

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>And not that I would have done anything different. I

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>mean like I just wouldn't have not, Like the story

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>was interesting to me and we had access. So much

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of these stories we tell are have a lot to

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.160
<v Speaker 1>do with access to people. And that's something that people

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:58.160
<v Speaker 1>probably wouldn't understand from the outside because I get stuff

0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>almost every day with people saying how you should do

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>a podcast on this or this, or they see we're

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>interested in something like this, And I said, oh, then

0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you'd be interested in this. So much of it has

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 1>to do with just access that you almost can't script.

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.240
<v Speaker 1>And we're up there with Chip Growth. Are good, buddy,

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Chip Growth. And he goes, hey, I wrote a book.

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I the Yeah, Lewis Wetzel. Yeah, And he goes, you know,

0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I have access to RT Steward. If I talked to RT,

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 1>he talked to you. And and so we we go

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>and do it and it's a fascinating story and uh

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and and I loved it. And we went out of

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 1>our way to hide the identities of these people, which

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>in the book it didn't And so I felt like, yeah,

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like we were going kind of above

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and beyond. Well. On the way down here, I was

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to my buddy Nathaniel, who got us that Turkey

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Call article from and he said he was going through

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the article, the Turkey Call n WTFS publication. It published

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>their names. It's still out there, you know. Yeah, So

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>it's not like we uncovered something that that wasn't known.

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.320
<v Speaker 1>But I'm going back to my apology to Cloth is I.

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.720
<v Speaker 1>I really did. I said, I'm you know, I'm sorry

0:43:12.719 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>for what this might the attention this might have brought

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.919
<v Speaker 1>to you, you know, But I really feel like how

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>he handled himself on the podcast was was noble. I

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 1>really do, and I hope that it brings uh, you know.

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:32.640
<v Speaker 1>We talked about his businesses and stuff, and I mean,

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you want to support them, go buy

0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>a go go by. So let me say something that

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 1>before I forget it. This burns me more than anything is.

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I said, the name of the restaurant is the Blue

0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Bell Restaurant in Mcconnell'sville, Ohio. I said blue Bird, blue

0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.919
<v Speaker 1>blue Bell, It's blue Bell. So that was my bad.

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:02.919
<v Speaker 1>So that is an official correction. Repercussion and crowd Dad,

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:08.760
<v Speaker 1>which we're both wrong. It's repercussions and crawl fish, crayfish.

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's hold on, we'll come back to this. We'll come

0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:16.640
<v Speaker 1>back to this. So the restaurant, holy cow, for real,

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>if you're in Mcconnellsville, if you were within an hour

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 1>and a half of Mcconnellsville, I'd drive there to eat breakfast.

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:29.080
<v Speaker 1>This is fantastic breakfast, great atmosphere, and everybody in that

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 1>restaurant wanted to talk to Claude Maxwell. Really, I mean, nobody,

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.279
<v Speaker 1>nobody knew who I mean, I was just sitting there.

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just a dude sitting there. Everybody want to

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>talk to Claude. Everybody walked by was trying to get

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.759
<v Speaker 1>his attention. It's like, he's that kind of guy. He

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>really is, and he so anyway, that's honorable. It's an

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>honorable life. And that's when I realized that we probably

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>weren't the most popular crew for bringing this all back

0:44:59.680 --> 0:45:02.640
<v Speaker 1>up on the national state, rubbing a little assault of this. Well,

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for real, it's it's been gone for thirty years,

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 1>so that you know, like I said, just bringing it

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>back to like the fact that like we are not uh,

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>we're not uh putting our stamp of approval on poaching.

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>What is so interesting is the redemption, the choices that

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>he made after and I think that like one of

0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>the pieces of evidence for his change is his willingness

0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to go on record and talk to you and be like, hey,

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>I was wrong, but here's my life now. And I

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>think that's such a privilege. I don't want to lose

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.640
<v Speaker 1>sight of the fact that it was a privilege to

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>get to tell this story, and a privilege that he

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.319
<v Speaker 1>chose to give you time and to I don't know,

0:45:45.360 --> 0:45:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm very thankful for that. What do you think, Dad, Well, y'all,

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 1>ye have done a nice job covering it. I would

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:07.279
<v Speaker 1>just say that he was the exact same guy when

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>he was doing this RTI saw that he was a

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 1>good guy. He just was got involved with peer pressure

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and felt like it wasn't that big of a deal,

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, even though really he knew it was a

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 1>big deal. I feel like, I mean, you know, you

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>just know you you know it's breaking the law. But

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:33.120
<v Speaker 1>he had all the inner workings and hidden mechanisms to

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 1>be successful in this life. And he took a little detour,

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and the detour brought him back probably to his destiny

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he was gonna have anyway, and made him probably better.

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, It's what I thought. Artis saw it. He

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>was a quality guy. You know, he had he had

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff going for him. Um. It makes

0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>you wonder when Artie talks about having that urge to

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 1>call him and tell him that the raid was happening,

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:06.839
<v Speaker 1>what would have been the trajectory of his life if

0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 1>he had warned him or something. I thought if he

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 1>would have eventually had that break or if this was

0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:16.839
<v Speaker 1>the thing that he needed to all right, let's get

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 1>the ship headed in the right direction. Now, I don't know,

0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not things like this aren't clear. Like

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I agree with what Dad said, and if there's one

0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that that I could do, it's not different. But

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.839
<v Speaker 1>if you were just telling a more complex story, Yeah,

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think target number two back in it was

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>necessarily a bad guy. Like it wasn't like he had

0:47:45.280 --> 0:47:47.440
<v Speaker 1>he I think you talked to him and it would

0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 1>be the same cloud I talked to, just a little

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>detour and you know, like he said, he didn't view

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>himself as a bad person. I mean he wasn't. So

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.600
<v Speaker 1>so what would have happened if this would have been

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>prolonged for a period of time, like maybe probably would

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 1>have grown out of Probably he would have They would

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 1>have been pressures that would have come around his life

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 1>where he's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to do stuff different.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:17.560
<v Speaker 1>This was just a hard smack. And you know, you

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>you gotta be careful how you say this stuff because

0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm playing both sides of the fence, Like

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm I'm promoting law enforcement and RT and

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 1>and UH and and what the Ohio D and R

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>did or you know, I'm telling their story like, hey,

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:37.280
<v Speaker 1>this is this is good stuff. But now I'm also

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.440
<v Speaker 1>interested in cloud story and I and this. Honestly, I

0:48:41.520 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 1>feel loyalty to both of them and and um so

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a tricky It felt tricky on the inside of

0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>me being loyal to both sides of this story duplicitus.

0:48:56.640 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe not, but uh, but it was. It was

0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 1>probably one of the most interesting situations I've been in

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 1>since I've been doing this here podcast. You shouldn't feel it.

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.640
<v Speaker 1>You shouldn't feel torn one way or the other because

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it worked out like it's supposed to. Yeah, you

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>did a great job, there was. It's the people that

0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm most concerned about. Well, that's what I'm talking about.

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>You know that somebody was doing wrong. The law went in,

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:27.319
<v Speaker 1>they took care of it. The guy paid his debt.

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.520
<v Speaker 1>That's it's over with, unless he it was they make

0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:36.319
<v Speaker 1>a podcast about you thirty years Yeah, that's the part

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel bad about. It. Could it could work out

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:43.919
<v Speaker 1>for him better though, I mean, yeah, it's a it's

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.359
<v Speaker 1>a flip of coin. It could something good could come

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:49.880
<v Speaker 1>from this. Yeah, well, and that's what that's what I

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>hope that for sure. What's the name of the town

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 1>first happens. What's the name of the town, Mcconnellsville, Mcconnellsville.

0:49:56.440 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I smell a Target number two coffee shop. Yeah, a

0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:06.520
<v Speaker 1>great town. Is a great town. It's right on this

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 1>big river. What do you think of the fishing community.

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.440
<v Speaker 1>What do you think the contention of bear grease listeners

0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>within an hour and a half of McConnell's phill is

0:50:14.040 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>how many? I have no idea. Are you thinking seventy

0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 1>two thousand? There is there's one Bengals fan. We know

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:27.880
<v Speaker 1>that this is yeah. Uh, I like, Ohio, can we

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.960
<v Speaker 1>get all of them to go there? Not ask for Claude,

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>not be weird about it, just buy some stuff from

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:39.000
<v Speaker 1>his Yeah, big tips, Yeah, yeah, they're they're sharp family man.

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:43.120
<v Speaker 1>And and uh and the what was the was there

0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a rooftop place? Yeah, there's a pizza place, real nice.

0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:51.319
<v Speaker 1>I called the pizza place one day to uh. I

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.000
<v Speaker 1>was actually trying to get ahold of it. Was before

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I had had an official introduction to Claude. And it

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:03.600
<v Speaker 1>was the best, like a voicemail. It was like after

0:51:03.680 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 1>hours or something before they opened during the day, and

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it was like super polished and professional. My mouth was

0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:13.840
<v Speaker 1>watering by the time I got done. It was like

0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>giving you the menus, like thanks for calling Maxwell's Pizza.

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Try our cheese sticks. No, no, I mean it's not

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>like a major national franchise. And I was like, you

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 1>forgot why you were calling. But it was good Dad,

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:34.840
<v Speaker 1>What were you gonna say? Uh? He survived for a

0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:39.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of reasons. One thing, he's smart, smart guy. But

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 1>he had two good families, really good families. And I

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>mean that tells you a lot about him. He's got

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.680
<v Speaker 1>two good families. And he had a wonderful wife. I

0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 1>mean his wife was unbelievable. I mean she saw the

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>whole thing. And because of that, here's our resident expert

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:07.320
<v Speaker 1>right here. I mean, really, Judy. I just marvel almost

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>daily as I get older and wiser of how Judy

0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:15.080
<v Speaker 1>is right so many times, and she can move me

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and direct me and you know, get me pointed in

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the right direction, and uh, what did you do that

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>was so bad? Well? Every day, this every day when

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:32.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking three podcasts for another time, it's every day.

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, it wouldn't be awesome if dad

0:52:35.040 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>was like a criminal and we could do a podcast

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and do you mind committing some crimes if if it

0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 1>is actually undercover, he's he's only become friends with you.

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 1>But but to finish it off. I mean, I want

0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to hear what uh a wife and a mother thought

0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 1>about this, misty, what do you think? Okay, oh, wow,

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 1>she's got notes. I don't have notes I have. I

0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure I quoted it right. No. Discipline

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.880
<v Speaker 1>seems pleasant at the time, but painful later on. However,

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:15.399
<v Speaker 1>it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>who have been trained by it. Therefore, strengthen your feeble

0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>arms and weak knees, make level paths for your feet

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.360
<v Speaker 1>so that the lay may not be disabled, but rather healed.

0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:30.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think that discipline, punishment consequences can either cripple

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:41.120
<v Speaker 1>a person drop it can either you know, completely destabilized

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.560
<v Speaker 1>and destroy a person. I think that's I think that's

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:50.240
<v Speaker 1>a new testament. Okay, um can either destabilize and destroy

0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 1>someone or can cause them to become more stable, to

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.440
<v Speaker 1>become stronger, can be can be trained, You can be

0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 1>trained by it, and I think there's kind of two

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 1>pieces here. He was trained by discipline, but you saw

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:05.680
<v Speaker 1>how it nearly ruined his life. I mean the way

0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 1>he talked about the depths of despair that he went into,

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think you even covered that as as

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>much as as your conversation would have led on. But

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:17.080
<v Speaker 1>so there is something in him that responded to that well.

0:54:17.360 --> 0:54:19.279
<v Speaker 1>And I think what Gary says is right. I think

0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 1>his wife really helped him. I think just from the

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 1>stories his family, you know, he was pulled forward by

0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.879
<v Speaker 1>the things he did have left. But I think that

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, you can have difficult circumstances, the consequences of

0:54:32.520 --> 0:54:35.440
<v Speaker 1>your own actions, whatever you want to call it, can

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.279
<v Speaker 1>completely destroy a person. But I think it speaks to

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.600
<v Speaker 1>his character and I think it speaks to the strength

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.279
<v Speaker 1>of the people around him that he was able to

0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.320
<v Speaker 1>allow this to be something that changed him. And I

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>but I do think it it changed him also. He Uh,

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>if he would have been just average Joe poacher, it

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:04.080
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't bothered him that much. You know, it really bothered

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he he beat on himself so hard, but

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:13.319
<v Speaker 1>he was smart enough and had to support pull out

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of it. And come back like a racehorse. Yeah, I

0:55:16.560 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>mean he came out there running wide open. Yeah. That's

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:22.400
<v Speaker 1>a good point. And that's the thing that when when

0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 1>when something negative comes on you, so many, so many

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:33.640
<v Speaker 1>people would would fold in bitterness or or they would

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:36.680
<v Speaker 1>have set out to try to prove to the man

0:55:36.880 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't have to stand under his authority. I mean, really,

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of guys that get caught end up getting embittered,

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 1>and they spend the rest of their life trying to

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:50.439
<v Speaker 1>just like truck, don't even care, just go holy call,

0:55:50.560 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 1>all right, so I got caught and just keep doing

0:55:54.160 --> 0:55:57.720
<v Speaker 1>whatever you do. Yeah, it really bothered him, which tells

0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 1>you what we've said. He was a quality guy. Yeah,

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:05.680
<v Speaker 1>well he was, and and that brings me back. I

0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.840
<v Speaker 1>actually now remember what I was saying. When I was

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 1>saying I'm playing both sides of the fence about ten

0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>minutes ago, I was talking about that is that is

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that though mccondlesville folks, not Claude, didn't tell me this,

0:56:21.719 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just what I felt when I was there. They

0:56:24.560 --> 0:56:27.840
<v Speaker 1>all felt like they came down real heavy handed on

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:32.360
<v Speaker 1>these guys trying to make a statement to the world,

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:35.319
<v Speaker 1>make an example out of him, which we know, i'll

0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 1>know is true and that happens, Well, that's effectively what

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about with your caribou and wolf analogy.

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 1>It may seem harsh and in the moment, but and

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:51.480
<v Speaker 1>it's unfortunate for this population, for that single caribou. But

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I don't know if i'd used

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the word necessary. But it does send a message to coach.

0:56:59.239 --> 0:57:01.839
<v Speaker 1>And it's and and it's and and this is where

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>you have to be careful because it's it's not like

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>you're being you know, somebody said, well, you're being soft

0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>on poachers if you feel sorry for these guys that

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we're breaking the law that did get caught in the

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and the heavy hand of the law came down on them.

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 1>And you might say, well, they were guilty of every

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>bit of it. Well, you know what, I've hunted without

0:57:17.880 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 1>a hunter's orange before and didn't get the ticket for it.

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Keep going, you see what I've said. I mean, literally,

0:57:26.760 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a guy and I know what it feels like

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to have a guy undercover following you single thing you

0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>do that and then having to give a recompense for

0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:42.240
<v Speaker 1>every like it was. It was heavy handed and I'm

0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 1>not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying it's kind of

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>a bummer for Claude, kind of bummer for all these guys.

0:57:48.520 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's kind of the consensus of the community.

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:52.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think we'd be the same way if that

0:57:52.880 --> 0:57:57.680
<v Speaker 1>had happened to And by us, I mean just somebody. Well,

0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it's it's I mean going back to restorative justice versus

0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>punitive justice. It's like, the thing that is compelling about

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>restorative justice is it makes our community better. The thing

0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>that's problematic about punitive justice is that we often want

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 1>punitive justice for other people, but we want restorative justice

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:18.200
<v Speaker 1>for ourselves because we can we know the story and

0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:19.840
<v Speaker 1>we can tell a different story of why it was

0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>okay that we did it, or apologize for it. It's

0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>like we want justice, quote unquote justice for them, but

0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.920
<v Speaker 1>we want grace for ourselves. And that's why it's important

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:32.400
<v Speaker 1>to have a system that trends towards restorative justice. And

0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 1>that's why we like stories like this where it's like

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:38.400
<v Speaker 1>it worked. And I'm not sure that honestly, what I

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 1>don't know what you're saying is actually I don't know

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that our justice system is designed or that people want

0:58:44.600 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 1>it to be, and you're using the word restorative. I

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:51.640
<v Speaker 1>think in the injustice literature would be more rehabilitative. You know,

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like when you're looking at drugs, there's a big conversation.

0:58:54.160 --> 0:58:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Are we trying to rehabilitate these guys? Are we trying

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to punish them for the crime they did? And that's

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 1>a big, huge question that people are trying to to

0:59:02.080 --> 0:59:04.680
<v Speaker 1>figure out. And I think that that, you know, I

0:59:04.720 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 1>don't know that it's like determined, oh, we want to

0:59:06.600 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>rehabilitate criminals. I think, you know, we have the death row,

0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 1>we have life sentences, and those are not rehabilitative in nature.

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not sure that is a decision that's been

0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 1>made by the American public or I think that's just

0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:22.880
<v Speaker 1>a conversation that keeps happening. But I think that that's

0:59:22.880 --> 0:59:25.080
<v Speaker 1>the point, Like, I don't think it's like a done

0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:29.280
<v Speaker 1>and everybody agrees we need to be rehabilitating criminals. I'm

0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a converse national conversation that is unresolved,

0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.240
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we're probably given way too much credit

0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to the punitive action and this specific thing, like and

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:44.080
<v Speaker 1>the Dad's point, I don't think it was you know

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:46.880
<v Speaker 1>all that happened to him that turned claud into who

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it was a wake up call. Yeah, because you could

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:53.200
<v Speaker 1>because there's probably guys on that same team who had

0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:56.760
<v Speaker 1>similar consequences who did not change by it. That's That's

0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of what I'm trying to say, is I think

0:59:58.280 --> 1:00:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that there's something in you have a choice about how

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you respond to. Why I love Claude Maxwell. He responded

1:00:07.320 --> 1:00:12.600
<v Speaker 1>correctly to getting smacked, not for anybody else's sake, but

1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>for his own. I mean, he he just he just

1:00:16.520 --> 1:00:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he just went forward and it has done well and

1:00:19.480 --> 1:00:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and him doing well to me. I said it on

1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:24.080
<v Speaker 1>the podcast, but I say it again. It's not didn't

1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:26.479
<v Speaker 1>everything to do with business success, but like he wasn't

1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:30.680
<v Speaker 1>an intact man. He's been married for however long, I

1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:34.920
<v Speaker 1>mean decades, decades, decades, and you know a lot about

1:00:34.920 --> 1:00:38.240
<v Speaker 1>somebody when you meet their grown children, watch them interact,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean for real, like just people. Hey. One of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite parts of the whole thing was the story

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<v Speaker 1>about the little boy thinking everybody was having a party

1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 1>in him trying to show him how to get things.

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<v Speaker 1>That was good about that. Yeah, yeah, and he uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like his dad too. I mean he's pretty sharp cat.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, Dad, you need to do this, and I

1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:08.760
<v Speaker 1>think he was right. I think this is gonna help

1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:14.160
<v Speaker 1>him some way. I think something good will come from this. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I deeply I hope. So yeah, Claude, Claude would be

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<v Speaker 1>welcome on the Bargras Surrender anytime, or cast his son,

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<v Speaker 1>any of them. You know, cast is super sharp. The

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<v Speaker 1>other thing that I didn't do real well is the

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<v Speaker 1>bowling alley and the restaurant are actually castes. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I boy, we just had such a short production window

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<v Speaker 1>for this one because I just went there and then

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<v Speaker 1>just turned around and did it. And uh and and

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<v Speaker 1>I just wasn't able to clarify some of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But but but I should have done a better job

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<v Speaker 1>at that. But fantastic series. I think it was. It was,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, It was real. Like what was kind of

1:02:01.320 --> 1:02:04.080
<v Speaker 1>unique about it is that this wasn't a fabricated story,

1:02:04.160 --> 1:02:07.600
<v Speaker 1>real story. All the stories are real, but it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of happened. Happened in a way that surprised me. Even

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<v Speaker 1>so Bigary's Baby, I like it. Any foreshadowing of what's

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<v Speaker 1>coming up, Oh yeah, hold on, you'll see this right here. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this was made by a famous Arkansas duck call maker. Brant.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know the name of that? Do you know

1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:40.760
<v Speaker 1>that name? I'm trying to read it. Jim Stinson in Clarendon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's hear a duck That's a beautiful duck call.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear a duck call. That's pretty excellent. Look at awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the only foreshadow you get. That is the

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<v Speaker 1>only foreshadow you get. Man, Hey, Merry Christmas to everybody.

1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thanks for listening. We didn't sing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they'll be okay everybody, everybody, everybody picked your own song.

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<v Speaker 1>Then three, well, everybody has a great, great Christmas. Hope, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a great Christmas that are here in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, I think the next Burger shrender will be

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<v Speaker 1>after the first of the year. Marches on. I think

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<v Speaker 1>John Anderson has a song about that. Years we see

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Lawrence Lawrence, Yeah, sing it, Brent. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>going to sing the John Anderson version. Come on, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know it. All right, Merry Christmas, everybody, We wish

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<v Speaker 1>you Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Jingle? Who

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<v Speaker 1>is to write that was true?