1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made, purpose built hunting and fishing gear 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore, 7 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: like the South American singer. Yeah, okay, that's I'd like 8 00:00:52,960 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: to begin. Everybody from Mexico. Hey, guys, welcome to the 9 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: Beargrease Rangdeer. Everyone. That's why we're here. Yes, welcome. This 10 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: is the this is the Christmas edition of the Beargrease Surrender. 11 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Can we call this one the bear Grease Reindeer? Then? Oh? 12 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,479 Speaker 1: Got it? Play onwards? I have I will, I will 13 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: submit that to bear Grease Reindeer. If there was a Bargrease, rightdear, 14 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: it's dear, would the man? What what a group we 15 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: have today? We have? We have the standard, the standard six. 16 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: I've got Brent Reeves to my left wearing a fine 17 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: pair of overalls and I'd say a war down Bargrease hat. 18 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: Josh Landbridge, Spillmaker, wearing a Lanbridge wearing the land Bridge 19 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: mustache himself Misty Newcomb here to your left. To your 20 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: left Isaac Neil, assistant to the producer of Bargrease podcast, 21 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: just happy to be invited. And to your left is 22 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: the believer ms self Gary nucom good to see you. 23 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: But who you didn't know, who you couldn't have expected, 24 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: who was going to be here? This is the one 25 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: and only Juju Nuom my mother, and well I'll introduce 26 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: the second the second person after this you figured. It 27 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: is so fantastic to have you here. I am really 28 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: glad to be here. I'm honored to be here at 29 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: the annual Christmas party of bear Grease. Why don't you 30 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: tell us what you've brought for us all? Oh, I 31 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: brought some Christmas cookies like I did last year. And 32 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here and send merry Christmas 33 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: greetings to all your listeners and let them know I 34 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: do read all of their comments and I get on 35 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: the if he does something wrong, are ignores something? So 36 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: oh no, but sometimes you don't answer them. It's so 37 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: great to have you. Guji has brought the Christmas spirit 38 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: honest today. Yes, okay, the second guest that we have 39 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: very special guests a first time guest on the Bear 40 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: Grease Podcast, the One and Only Bailey Reeves. This is 41 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: Brent Reeves daughter. Are you what are you doing for 42 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Christmas this year? Opening presents? Wow? Nice? Well, why don't 43 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: you wish everybody merry Christmas? Merry Christmas? What would you 44 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: say if you were giving advice to people that are 45 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: going to see their grandpa's, grandma's, their mom and dads, 46 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: their cousins and they're all gonna get together, like what 47 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: what do they need to hear from the Reeves family 48 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: that's gonna like really set off this Christmas? What would 49 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: you say, Bailey? Um, make sure you spend as much 50 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: time as you can with him, because you don't know 51 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: how much time you have with them, so just make 52 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: sure that make sure that you um spent as much 53 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: time with them this Christmas. That's good, that's very good. Well, 54 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: thank you for being here, Mrs Bailey, and good job Bailey. 55 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: You are welcome to stay in here or y'all can 56 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: y'all can leave. Let's roll. Good job Bailey, Good job GIU. 57 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,559 Speaker 1: Except for we would like to discourage all comments, um 58 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: that are me towards Clay which oh that is monitoring. 59 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put on every post I ever make. 60 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on every post I ever make, an 61 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: asterisk that says Juju is watching. Be nice to me. 62 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: Can we just start a hot hashtag watching watching? I 63 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: think you gotta just have her respond to all the comments. Okay, 64 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: I've always thought back in the day, when Clay was 65 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: making videos bear hunting videos, people would leave the worst comments, 66 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean the worst, the meanest. Those those I guess 67 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: it's pete to people I don't know, but they're terrible, 68 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: and they would say things like your mom should be 69 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: the hammer. I mean they would they wouldn't say horrible 70 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: things about like violent things that should be done to 71 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: our kids or to Clay's mom, and they would curse 72 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: your And I thought it would be nice to have 73 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Juju read those comments out loud and just have a 74 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: video of Juji reading these, you know, not nice in 75 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: the sense of like, oh this is heartwarming, but just 76 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: so that they realized, like Juju is a really sweet person, 77 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: and before you say mean things about her and her grandkids, 78 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: you should probably realize who you're talking about. Yeah, that's great. Well, so, uh, 79 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: I'll tell you something I've got a few little little 80 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: things I want to go through on this episode. We're 81 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: going to talk about this the secret episode, the bonus 82 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: episode of the what became a four part series on 83 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Our Secret Agent Man where we had Artie Stewart undercover 84 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: wildlife agent. And then the bonus episode when I met 85 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: I went and met with Claude Maxwell in Ohio was 86 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: referred to as Target number two only, which is a 87 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: which is a major deal, really major deal. Kind of 88 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: a sensitive deal in a way too. So. But before 89 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: we get to that, um lots of bear grease hats, 90 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: sightings in the wild. It's incredible. Yeah, it started off 91 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: with the guy on the on the Bengals in Kansas 92 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: City Chiefs game. I don't know that it started off 93 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: that way. I feel like that's more of an apex, 94 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: kind of an apex, right right right. It started out 95 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: with good every day, hard working Americans buying bear grease 96 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: hats and wearing them. And then one of those good 97 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: hard working, everyday Americans went to an NFL game, got spotted, 98 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: got spotted, and then and then another guy was watching 99 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: a hockey game, a hockey game, and there's a Burgharas 100 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: guy just giving him heck and uh, and so I 101 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: put that. I put that online too, and then the 102 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: comments are just full of people saying, hey, I saw 103 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: a guy with the Burghera's hat and we went and 104 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: talked and listen to this. Missy and I went to 105 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Cabella's two days ago because I was I thought this 106 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: is a pretty good story too. Well, I hope this 107 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: person is listening. We're at Cabella's and we're in we're 108 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: in line and a Cabella's worker goes, I like your 109 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: hat and I said thanks, and I kind of thought 110 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: maybe it was it was a lady. I thought she 111 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: might just like the design. And I just said hey, thanks, 112 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: and I just kind of kept walking and she says 113 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite podcasts, and I just I 114 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: just said, oh cool, yeah, yeah, and we kept walking 115 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: and Misty was like, don't tell her. Uh and then uh, 116 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty cool and uh she recognized 117 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: the hat with the you know the podcast and I responded, 118 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: it's a mediocre. I mean, it's got a lot of runway. 119 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: Who was who was telling? Uh? Was it was it? 120 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Did you too? That just told us the story about someone? Yeah? 121 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: What did she say? Two people ran into each other? 122 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: That we're both wearing him and this story has told. 123 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: This story was told to her by a person who 124 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: was with one of the people wearing the hats. He 125 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: said that two guys, one that he knew and one 126 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: that he didn't, ran into each other and they started 127 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: talking to each other like it was a different language. 128 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: Does he want the hat now? Is he trying to 129 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: get in on the hat train? Who the guy who 130 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: related the story? Why did she get a hat? She 131 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: was getting a hat for some reason. It wasn't for 132 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: that guy. Okay, somebody got a hat though. I went 133 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: on a trip this weekend. Flew down to Texas. Friday morning, 134 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: five thirty at the airport. There's a guy sitting there 135 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: with a bear grease hat. Saturday night, Rockport, Texas. Eating 136 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: at a Mexican restaurant. A guy comes in with a 137 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: bear grease hat. Really, what do you order? We left 138 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: before they ordered. He was he was very appreciative, very 139 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: polite young man. Maybe his name was Trevor. I asked it, 140 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm gonna remember this. I don't 141 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: know Trevor from Rockport, Texas. How did you approach this guy? 142 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: I said, Hey, this is weird. That's that's though, if 143 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: a guy has a bear grease hat on, he wants 144 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: somebody to come up and fist bumping and grow up. Yes, yeah, yeah, 145 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: he received it. Well, that's great. I love it. I 146 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: love it. Third thing on the list the Moose episode 147 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: on me. Did you enjoy it? That was one of 148 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: the better episodes. Why was it? People have said that, 149 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: They're like, why, it was just because you because you 150 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: can't trust people who know you. You can't. You can't 151 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: even trust you herself. Josh, certainly of the hunt, the 152 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: idea of the hunt, the fact that it's so remote, 153 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: it's such a such a it's it's the kind of 154 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: hunt that not a lot of people will get to 155 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: do in their lives. And then you go for nine 156 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: days and you got jack nothing, and then you get 157 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: that last minute. I mean it was like it was 158 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: like it was set up, you know what I mean 159 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, Like I didn't even remember we had 160 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: that conversation when I said, man, I thought it was 161 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: your year like that that wasn't I mean, none of 162 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: these scenes were set up scenes. Literally, we were having 163 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: that conversation and there were two dudes behind us and 164 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: we didn't know filming us, but we kind of knew him, 165 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: but like that, that is what someone who set up 166 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: a hunt to succeed would say, Can we trust you? 167 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: Did you plant the moose there? Oh? I think you 168 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: may have. I think you packed in the moose and 169 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: you planted it just in case helicoptered in a movie. 170 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: That's all. I'm dropped him in there. What's what's funny 171 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: is that when you started saying stuff like that, like 172 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: people are gonna believe it. Yeah, absolutely, we've inter helicopter. 173 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: I think you should cut that out there. Okay, Well, 174 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 1: what's funny is that I actually posted a video on 175 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the TikTok of me and Ranella in Alaska at the 176 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: airport and a Chinook helicopter comes in. True story, Chinook 177 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: helicopter comes in. I video it. I turned the camera 178 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,319 Speaker 1: to Ranella and I say, that's the way we're getting 179 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: in there, right, And he says that's the way, which 180 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: it is clearly not true. This is a U. S. Military, 181 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: Like I want to say, they said it was a 182 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: twenty million dollar helicopter, and so I joked that that's 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: what was taken us in and he said, that's how 184 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: we helicoptered in the animals. It was a joke. People 185 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: believe it, well, I don't know it was on it's 186 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: on the talk. I think it can only be beneficial 187 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: to have people out there talking about it, spreading rumors. 188 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: Then people go watch the episode, bumps up. There's no 189 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: bad press. So I'm getting to the Dollar build. Dad, 190 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: did you see the episode yet? What do you think? 191 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: I didn't like it? You didn't? Whoa, because I'm sleepy. 192 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: I want to take a nap. You want to take 193 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: a nap right now? I'm retired, man, I'm not used 194 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: to working. No, No, it was. It was excellent. It 195 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: was excellent. Uh you know when you told the story, 196 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think where I heard the story. You 197 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: told that y'all were in camp ready to go packed up, 198 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: and Ronella said, I'm going to the possum front. Yeah Bill, yeah, um. 199 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: And they didn't tell that part. Yeah, you know. To me, 200 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: you know that that was a highlight. Actually it was. 201 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: It was real good without it. But I enjoyed that 202 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: part because it tells you a lot about Ronnella. Why 203 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: he is where he is is. I mean, you're worn out, 204 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: you've been there ten days. This guy still fired up, 205 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: wanting to kill something. Yeah, his instincts took him to 206 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: the exact correct spot yep, and then turns it over 207 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: to you. So yeah, and I thought the same thing 208 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: that I really wish they had included that, because if 209 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: you remember the story that I told about that moose hunt, 210 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: we were all but like packing up to leave, like 211 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: we're done. We'd already like shot the ending scene of 212 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: the video and we're going home after nine days with 213 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 1: no moose and like really discouraged, and then just on 214 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: a whim, we don't even have time to kill a 215 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: moose because the planes are coming, and Rannella, it wasn't me. 216 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I I was done. Was there some particular 217 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: reason that he went to that spot? Just it was 218 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: no been there in a few days, okay, but it 219 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: was the it was the worst spot we had to, 220 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: like we never we've never seen a bull moose there 221 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: for some reason, but we just hadn't been there in 222 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: a couple of days. And so he was just like, 223 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk up to the porcupine. And then I 224 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: was like, well, how far was it? Probably half mile, 225 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: so it would have been just as a whole lot 226 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: easier just to kick back weight on the airplane you 227 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: get there and nap. Yeah, like I thought. Yeah, it 228 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: was we were done, man, like done. And because even 229 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: earlier that day the producer had said, hey, we really 230 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: can't kill a moose anymore because wait, so how did 231 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: you resolve it then? Man, Ronnell is dead serious about hunting, 232 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: like he was just like, we'll figure it out. Yeah, 233 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: and I don't think we're really planning to kill one. Sure, 234 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: but like I mean, because the planes were coming and 235 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: you shot one, did you just tell the planes got you? Well, 236 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: So the way it worked is the planes were coming 237 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: in the more and it was late in the evening. 238 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: They aren't real fast, and everybody was involved well, and 239 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: we were able to bump the plane back, which we 240 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: didn't think we could do because the moose season ended, 241 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: so all the hunters they had out, we're all trying 242 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: to get home and so it was real. It was like, 243 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: well they may not be able to get you out. 244 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: Uh if you if you lose your spot, it maybe 245 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: two days before they can come get you. So that's 246 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: what they were worried about it. But it just the 247 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: way it worked out. We were able to say, hey, 248 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: come it come later in the day and they were 249 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: like that's no problem. So it ended up working out, 250 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: but it was it was pretty incredible. But the antlers 251 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: look awesome up on the wall in there, Yeah, they do. 252 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: They do. So this is what I wanted to talk 253 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: about though. In a picture that's on the f h 254 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: F Gear Instagram page, there's a picture me glass and 255 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: in Alaska and I've got I've got my big puffy 256 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: jacket on, and I've got their new bino harness, which 257 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: they've got a new bino harness they're coming out with. 258 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: And at the top of that Botto harness you'll see 259 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: a dollar bill and the American dollar bill. And somebody 260 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: zoomed in and spotted that American dollar bill and I 261 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to explain why that was there. It was 262 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: the just randomly I found it in my pocket while 263 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: I was hunting. We're in the back country for nine 264 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: days with like six people, and I had the thought 265 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: that if things go to pot and they don't come 266 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: to get us, that this dollar bill, it would be 267 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: the start of a great novel. You with me, six 268 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: people in the wilderness, that they would find on your 269 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: one thing that represents the the lost civilization that has 270 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: now been destroyed let's say let's say let's say we're 271 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: out in the wilderness, the apocalypse happens and the earth 272 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: is destroyed. Everybody's dead except for us because we're way 273 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: in the back country. And whatever got us didn't think 274 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: about us in the back country. This American dollar bill, 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: this is this is the start of a novel. And 276 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: it's called the American dollar Bill. And and this is 277 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: what happens when you're in the back country too long. 278 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: So this dollar bill then, because we have to build 279 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: a whole new like like human order amongst like the 280 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: six of us, you know, and whoever has the dollar 281 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: bill has the power of the castle. Yeah, And so 282 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: the novel is about that nap sounding a whole lot better. 283 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: Is this a sequel to American Buffalo? In some ways 284 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: we talked about this NonStop. My novel about the treachery, 285 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: backstabbing in every character would reveal a part of human 286 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: nature that is in eight in people. But at the 287 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: end there would be like some massive redemption because it's 288 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: bargaries with me. That was the main reason I kept 289 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: the dollar bill close. But the second practic, a little 290 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: more functional reason, was I said I would give that 291 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: dollar to anybody that could find me a black bear 292 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: that I could shoot. Yeah, I had a black bear attack. 293 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: You keep the dollar. Nobody found me a black bear. 294 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: We saw a black bearar was too far so didn't qualify. 295 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I got to have a black bear 296 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: that's like in range, you know that I could actually 297 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: take And if you find me that bear. This dollar 298 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: bill is yours. Do you still have it? I think 299 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: I spent it. Cold coke have more value up there 300 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: in Alaska. Josh, tell us about your recent I have 301 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: reached uh microlebrity celebrity startom. I was down at the 302 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: down at the river the other day on last weekend 303 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: fly fishing and h the fish were biting. Good man, 304 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: We're just pull them out, right. But I moved down 305 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: to a new section and to drive up a little 306 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: bit where I was at and I moved down to 307 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: a new section. Can you drop me a pen? I'll 308 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: put it on Instagram page. I moved down to a 309 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: little section. There was a guy fishing on the other 310 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: side of the river, and I, you know, I gave 311 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: him a few yards so he could catch some fish there. 312 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: But I noticed as I was walking down he wasn't 313 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: catching any fish and I just I walked into the 314 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: water and just went bam, bam bam. Caught three fish 315 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: right back to back. And he goes, man, you're on fire. 316 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: And I said, I said, well, you know, I told 317 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: him what I was fishing with. I said, try this. 318 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: I said, they're biting these really good. So so tie 319 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: one of those on if you got one, and uh 320 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: he he fishes and he did. I pulled another one 321 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: out and he goes, he goes, is your name, Josh? 322 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: I was like, uh yeah, and he goes. He goes, 323 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: like as in the land Bridge. I was like, I thought, 324 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: I recognized your voice. Yeah, he recognized you. He recognized 325 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: my voice. He goes, he goes, Bear Grease, my favorite 326 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: podcast man. His name with Stokes. He was swearing a hat, 327 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: but not a Bear Grease hat. You hate to see it. 328 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: That's good to hear, that's great to hear. I'm living large, 329 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: living larch, living large. Next thing on list, Brent Reeves 330 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: is hunting my dog, hoot hoot Brent. So I we 331 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: live in the in the Ozarks, in the mountains. And 332 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: if you were if you were explaining this to a 333 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: kid and you were talking about the the the bio, 334 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: I swear I'm looking for, like the bio productivity of 335 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: a region. Okay, you would, you would essentially be talking 336 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: about at a real foundational level, the richness of the 337 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: soil literally translates into the how many how many animals 338 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: and the carrying capacity of the land for all kinds 339 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: of stuff like the size of trees, the amount of raccoons, 340 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: the amount of deer, the amount of waterfowl, how big 341 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: deer antlers are. It all goes back to the soil. 342 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Well in the Ozarks. The Ozarks, my friends, are is 343 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: an eroded plateau, an uplifted plateau that was was bumped 344 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: when the South American continent bumped into the North American continent. 345 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: This is I'm going to start a new podcast called 346 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: orogeny mountain forming process. Okay, So the the the the 347 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: spring Field, It's called the Springfield Plateau, which was bulged, 348 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: a bulged sex and of land that eroded. So the 349 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: Ozarks were formed by erosion, which means all the good 350 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: stuff left. Now I'm fully in. But where exactly where 351 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: it went into the to the to the Gulf coastal region, 352 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: the the the basically the Mississippi River Delta. It literally 353 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: formed the dirt of Louisiana. Okay, come on, And so 354 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: the raccoon hunting is better down there. That's exactly as 355 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: I wish you were down there hunting, because I've had 356 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: to had this call through the hides that were left, 357 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: and I only got enough for four more hats. We'll 358 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: talk about that in a second. So Brent lives in 359 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: the Delta region of Arkansas. So Arkansas would be split 360 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: into like the mountainous regions in the Delta region, which 361 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: would be influenced by the great rivers of the heart 362 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: Land of America, the primary river being the Mississippi River, 363 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: but also the White River, um Arkansas, Black River, Arkansas 364 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: River River, Cash Money River. And so Brett hunts in 365 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: the flat country where there's a ton of coons. So 366 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 1: he took my dog. I said all that to say, 367 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, life's connected, Josh, It's connected, is why it's 368 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: a terrible word. Mountain. Look at this, hold on. I've 369 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: got a book here that it would explain it all 370 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: more than one. The Appalachian Wash, it all orogen in 371 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: the United States. See that textbook right there, that's as 372 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: thick as your thigh. Never read it, but it's it 373 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: has that word mountainforming processes. Brett, you're hunting, hoot? How's 374 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: she doing? She did good night before last. I went 375 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: over to the farm. We cut her loose, or I 376 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: cut her loose. Man, she hunt gets you on it 377 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: out three hundred three and fifty yards, made a big loop, 378 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: kind of bumps something a little bit, may have been 379 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: a deer, may have been a rabbit. I don't know 380 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: what it was, which she barked a little bit. But 381 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: it's good he doesn't, you know, it doesn't really matter. 382 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: She's got all the tools. If it all has got 383 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: all the tools. The only other thing that that you 384 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: need is the desire for it to go, and she 385 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: has that desire to go. So even if she's chasing 386 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: off game, I can fix I can fix it, yeah, 387 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: because she's got the hunt. You're halfway there. So we 388 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: go out and she comes back and move over to 389 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: a different spot and turn loose. And it's cold, man, 390 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: And there a lot of folks up north hunt when 391 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: it's below freezing stuff in their tree and coons on 392 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: the outside of trees. But that down here, if it 393 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: gets below thirty two, coons get scarce on the outside. 394 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: In the delta in the delta appear. It's a little 395 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: different in the delta, is all I'm speaking about right now. 396 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: So and if it gets twenty eight, if it's eight 397 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: and below, if you catch a coon on the outside, 398 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: he's probably laying dead on the highway, I mean, because 399 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: it's you just don't see him out there. That they're 400 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: into then to stay warm. So it's man, it's hovering. 401 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: It's like thirty four degrees and she's she's circling and barking, 402 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: and she's really excited. I know she's smelling the coon 403 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: because I'm watching her. I watched her on the Garmen Way, 404 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: the way she fed that or struck that track, and 405 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: you can tell the way she's just moving just in 406 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: a little intricate left and right and zigzags, and she's 407 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: moving real slow, so you know she's not chasing something 408 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: that she's seeing. She's on an actual track. She's smelling 409 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: a coon. She gets one spot man and she's she 410 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: doesn't locate, she doesn't do the long ball locate. She 411 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: just starts barking and then she stopped. So I slipped in. 412 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: I snuck in there with my red light on. She 413 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: didn't paying anything to me, and I got with it 414 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: about forty yards or where she's at, and I look 415 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: up in the tree and I find a coon. Coon's 416 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: looking right at me, and she is right beneath it. 417 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: But it's a leaning tree, so and the coon is 418 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: like from the trunk of the tree, is out probably 419 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty and probably twenty ft off the ground. 420 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: So she the the coon's been there a long time. 421 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: You can tell he's in a big, comfortable place where 422 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: coons would lay up when it's cold like that. So 423 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: though she just couldn't locate where it was that, she 424 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: could smell the scent in the air, but she couldn't 425 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: smell where the coon went up the tree, so, which 426 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: was really a feat in itself because the track was 427 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: so old. But she did really good. So but I 428 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: didn't knock the coon out to her, and she eventually 429 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: quit it and we went on on home, all positives. 430 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: She did good. Last night we went I turned her 431 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: loose and she absolutely scalded the hair off a two deer. 432 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: She put him down the road. Oh yeah, and I 433 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: know a dent. It was a deer because I I 434 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: she took off struck and she started making a loop. 435 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: She started coming back to me, and I stepped out 436 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in this old wood robe, turned my red light on it. 437 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: A big old oh deer come smoking across the hoop 438 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: was right behind so it which it's fine. She didn't 439 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: run it that far. She stopped. She co yeah, she 440 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: come on, and she come on back to me. I 441 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: moved down and she she did another one in that time. 442 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: I give her a little correction on the collar to stop, 443 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: and she stopped. She come back to me and she 444 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: hunt after that. Did she keep hunting? Yeah? Man, I 445 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: remember when I was hunting. When I was hunting Fern 446 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: r I p Fern. I was one of the first 447 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: times I went with another good coon hunter that had 448 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: a good dog, and Fern was probably eleven twelve months old, 449 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: and turned her loose and it was full moon night 450 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: and she just scalded. As Brent said something that was 451 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: not because they just took it out across She by 452 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 1: herself just took it out across a wide open field, 453 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: just barking every breath. I mean just sounds like she's 454 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: about to catch the thing. I mean, ran it out 455 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: of here, and you know, and and He's like, no, no, 456 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 1: no doubt. It was a trash game and Uh. I 457 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: was kind of upset about it, you know, just kind 458 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: of like gone it. Why did she do that? And 459 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: my buddy said, My buddy was like, Clay, that's good. 460 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean, she she about she wore that thing out, 461 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: so she had the desire, she had the want, she 462 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: had the go and uh because like Brent said, you 463 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: can break him off off game, but you can't put 464 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: that fire in them. And so eventually broke her off. Dear. 465 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: But even as good as Fern was a try and 466 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: coon's she would run. I never really could figure it 467 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: out if it was a deer coyotes. But because she 468 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: was about five years old about once or twice a winner, 469 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: she just smoked something that wasn't a coon, and you 470 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: know it wasn't. I had never said that when she 471 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: was alive. Stimulation, the stimulation that's center on that collar, 472 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: it was not pain compliance. All that does is a 473 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: enough to break your concentration. So it was nothing. It 474 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: would Even Misty has one of those for me, Well 475 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: you need to turn that up because he tells that 476 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: story about the Washington. I'm talking to her and it's 477 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: like I just like I just kind of like went, 478 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I don't really feel pain but I just feel like 479 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: restarted and then she she breaks your concentration. That's all, 480 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: that's all. But she Brent's hunting who and you've been 481 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: You've been nutting quite a bit though. Oh yeah, yeah. 482 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: We had some folks come down, some folks that participated 483 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: in a contest we had with the Bear Hunting Magazine 484 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: and Blood Origins, and some folks came down from to 485 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: live up here northwest Arkansas. Ryan and Heather Harris came 486 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: down and we hunted with Michael suns By lights. We 487 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: hunted over there where we hunted. Uh and oh, Josh Isaac, 488 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: you guys just put a coon hunting video up that 489 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: we filmed last year. Yeah, we were, we were there. 490 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: We were there at that plug and um and tree. 491 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: I think we hunted two nights. It was cold and rainy, 492 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: and we treat I think lemonre twelve coons both nights, 493 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: I mean total, you know, so it was we hunt 494 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: a lot though. That's good, that's good. Talk to me 495 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: about the coon skins. Well, we I've got six hats 496 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: made and I went to go start what I thought 497 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: was gonna be six more. But we're kind of digging 498 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: into the bottom of the barrel of the coon pads. 499 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: They're they're getting a little small and scraggly down there. 500 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: They they they you know, they send those they send 501 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: those hides back, all strung together. And it's like I 502 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't real strategic about the first ones. I 503 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: was grabbing out. But somehow they got all the bad 504 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: ones in the middle and all the nice ones on 505 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: the outside because I started grabbing. I'm like, wait a minute, 506 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: I can't so it. Uh. I mean I've got enough. 507 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: I cut enough pieces that I got four more from half. 508 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: So how many hats do we have? Will be timid, 509 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: not counting the one out including that one, and I've 510 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: got I've got that my first prototype. I can probably 511 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: turn into a useful one too. What about it if 512 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: I got you a couple of possum skins, could you 513 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: make a hat with that? With the nilo It's a 514 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: great question. There's a difference low on the wood. I'll 515 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing those. Let's talk about the topic 516 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: at hand this fourth episode. That didn't see that one coming? Yeah, 517 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: what how do you think? It's it's hard to gauge 518 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: what people would I would think about it. I mean, 519 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: I got a lot I got a lot of feedback 520 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: on it, but just you know, you have had to 521 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: have listened to all the episodes to kind of get 522 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: why this was significant. Yep. And it was significant for 523 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: me to go and meet with Claude, who who all 524 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: just started off at the very beginning, and just say 525 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: I had a ton of respect for him for meeting 526 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: with me, and I did my best to really show 527 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: the character that this guy has. And I mean the 528 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: whole point of meeting with him and and showing who 529 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: he was today is to show that you hear about 530 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: somebody that's a poacher, bad poacher, you would think a 531 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: certain way about who that person would be. I mean, 532 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: especially in a day with internet and internet forums and 533 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: just we label people so quickly of who this this 534 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: person is, and then when you see somebody that the 535 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: result or thirty years later, they're not who you thought 536 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: they would be. I think that's real healthy for us 537 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: to not be so quick to really bring judgment on somebody, 538 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, and um, and so it was really interesting 539 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: one to meet with Claude, who I really do have 540 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: a lot of respect for. What do you guys think? 541 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: I listened to it twice and I I felt like, 542 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, such an incredible story from both sides. But 543 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: I really felt like Claude was kind of the hero 544 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: of the story. I mean not because not just because 545 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: he got his story out, you know. You know, we 546 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: can look at and say, well, he really wasn't that 547 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: mad at a guy. He had seventy four game violations, 548 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: but he really wasn't that bad of a guy. But 549 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: he I appreciated so much how transparent he was about 550 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: everything and how he didn't let that thing define him, 551 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: you know, and he didn't carry a resentment, but instead 552 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: he literally made an overnight change of who he was 553 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: and how he was going to live the rest of 554 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: his life. And man, that that thing opens up doors. 555 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: I feel like the decisions that he made opened up 556 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: doors for success in business, success with his family. Who 557 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: knows what it could have done to his marriage, you know, 558 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: but now you look at him now and you think 559 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: that's not something that just happened, but really that his 560 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: life was the product of those decisions thirty years ago, 561 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: and that makes that guy hero. You know. He didn't 562 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: the system didn't reform him. His choices reformed them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 563 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: If we were all known if our biography or if 564 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: our label, it was all from the worst day that 565 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 1: we ever had, you know, I mean everybody you see 566 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,959 Speaker 1: would be bad. That guy did something and he learned 567 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: his lesson and he became obviously a very important part 568 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: of that community, which puts him in my community. And years, 569 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: if we're hunters, he were all in that community. He 570 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: did he proved that what what was set out to 571 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 1: do worked and that I would I would. That guy's 572 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: welcome to go hunting with me anytime. You know, I 573 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: read a book about Neil Armstrong. For years, he wouldn't 574 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: do any kind of interviews. It wouldn't do anything, wouldn't 575 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: talk about anything as far as him going, you know, 576 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: being the first guy on the moon. And he was 577 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: up in his seventies, early seventies when they wrote this book, 578 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: when he authorized this book to be and the guy 579 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: was interviewing and asked him why he didn't cash in 580 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: on being the first guy to step on the moon 581 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: because once it once he came back, he got out 582 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: of space program and he went and taught at a 583 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: college in Ohio, taught engineering. He didn't do book tours, 584 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: he didn't do speaking engagements, he didn't do anything about it, 585 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: and the guy told me said, well, he didn't think 586 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: it was right for him to receive all the accolades 587 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: when it was nearly took nearly four hundred thousand people 588 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: working together to get him to the moon. And he 589 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: said there there was nobody in that system that was 590 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: any or that he wasn't as important as anybody else 591 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: or more important anybody else in it. And he did 592 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: not want to be known for one singular accomplishment when 593 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: he had lived his whole life, that was something he 594 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: did one day. And you can look at this the 595 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: same way. Yeah, So that's like the positive, positive side 596 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: of it, but also you can apply it to the negative. Yeah, 597 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't. I mean I have I don't have 598 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: any sympathy. I have empathy for him because it affected 599 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: his whole family, and that I wouldn't want to be 600 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: known for just one singular thing. If it was if 601 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: I was gonna be known for one single thing, it 602 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't have any thing to do with my work. It 603 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: would have something to do with I can't literally discuss 604 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: that yet, are we under I think I think it 605 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: was good. It's a great lesson, and I'm I'm really 606 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: pleased and proud that the guy did what he did. 607 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. I think there's an interesting conversation to 608 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: be had about the nature of the justice system and 609 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: how it often functions versus how we say it is 610 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: to function. Right, we aspire to have a restorative justice 611 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: system where you have transgressed, you go through this, and 612 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: you don't do that anymore, Like that's what the system 613 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,280 Speaker 1: is supposed to be set up. Oftentimes we don't approach 614 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: it in that way, and I think that's a rabbit 615 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: hole that we could go down, and there's no point 616 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: in doing it because it will take forever and probably 617 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: not produce much fruit. But this is a perfect example 618 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 1: of restorative justice. Like he's guilty, he said it so 619 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast. But then that to me and I 620 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: think probably to you, which is why you did this episode, 621 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: is less interesting than how he reacted once that happened, 622 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: and we can see that throughout the fruit of his life. 623 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: You talked about it with his kids, how he has 624 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: good relationships with his kids who are productive members of society. 625 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: I think the Bowling Alley is an incredible example. Not 626 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: to say that it's altruism or whatever, like I'm gonna 627 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: it's it's a business, right, but the idea that he 628 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 1: invested in this thing in this small community, and it's 629 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 1: like it's going to provide an outlet for kids and 630 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: people to have believe Like these are all examples of 631 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: like the fruit of changing and going in a different 632 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: direction and saying I'm going to be a productive member 633 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,240 Speaker 1: of society. I'm going to give back to society. Yeah. 634 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: I felt like you made a very compelling case in 635 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: the podcast about this, so much so that when we 636 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: got to the point where it was like Andy lost 637 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: his hunting license forever, I was like, dang, Like I mean, 638 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: it hit me, like I was like, that sucks, Like 639 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: he seems like such a great dude. I that sucks 640 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: that he can't hunt anymore. And then like obviously we 641 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 1: were resolved that in the nature of the story, and 642 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: and I just felt like it showed the powerful impact 643 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: of hoping for redemption in a story, you know what 644 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean? Um. And also a side thing, This may 645 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: be speaking out of term, but uh, I just uh 646 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: speaking to the listening audience, Like Claude didn't ask for 647 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: any of this to happen to him the podcast, and 648 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: I feel like you had mentioned that it was turning 649 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: a lot of attention on him, and so I just 650 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: would I think I think it'd be cool to appeal 651 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: to the audience to say, if you are in a 652 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: position to go there or interact with him, like, be cool. Uh. 653 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: And even if you're even if it's a positive thing, 654 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: if you want to support him, just remember that he 655 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: didn't ask for any of this attention. This happened years ago. 656 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: Like the old guy outside the sporting goods store said, 657 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: like you you're talking about it like it happened yesterday. 658 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: This happened years ago. Man. You know, I really did 659 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: apologize to Claude. And when you record an apology and 660 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 1: listen to it, you sometimes wish you'd have done it different, 661 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: But so you're gonna do it again. Well, no, for me, 662 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: it was interesting. I actually talked to Steve you know 663 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: about it about I said, uh, I was getting his 664 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: advice and kind of how to handle this thing. And uh, 665 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,839 Speaker 1: and I told him, I said, man, it never even 666 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: occurred to me that these guys would still be here. 667 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know why. I thought, like all poach, 668 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: all poachers are like old and not here anymore, you 669 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And like all these guys are 670 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: still here well, and there was some like modicum of 671 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: respect for that because we from but it just feels 672 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,240 Speaker 1: so removed, like why would they hear about it or what? Yeah, 673 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, it kind of even 674 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: goes into the idea of what you how you handle 675 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: a criminal quote unquote, like someone who's been it's just 676 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: like there there they you know, they're not as an 677 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: important there there to be cast out of society, well 678 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: in terms of like far but just no, I mean 679 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: like in terms of the social graces that we afford them. 680 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: And so I never so I told Ronella, I said, uh, 681 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: I said, it never even occurred to me that these 682 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: guys are still around. And he laughed and said, Clay, 683 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,479 Speaker 1: as a writer, you always have to assume that they're 684 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 1: very much alive. And he laughed and I was like, noted, uh, 685 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: And not that I would have done anything different. I 686 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: mean like I just wouldn't have not, Like the story 687 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: was interesting to me and we had access. So much 688 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: of these stories we tell are have a lot to 689 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 1: do with access to people. And that's something that people 690 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't understand from the outside because I get stuff 691 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: almost every day with people saying how you should do 692 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: a podcast on this or this, or they see we're 693 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: interested in something like this, And I said, oh, then 694 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: you'd be interested in this. So much of it has 695 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: to do with just access that you almost can't script. 696 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: And we're up there with Chip Growth. Are good, buddy, 697 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: Chip Growth. And he goes, hey, I wrote a book. 698 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: I the Yeah, Lewis Wetzel. Yeah, And he goes, you know, 699 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: I have access to RT Steward. If I talked to RT, 700 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 1: he talked to you. And and so we we go 701 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: and do it and it's a fascinating story and uh 702 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: and and I loved it. And we went out of 703 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 1: our way to hide the identities of these people, which 704 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: in the book it didn't And so I felt like, yeah, 705 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: and I feel like we were going kind of above 706 00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: and beyond. Well. On the way down here, I was 707 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: talking to my buddy Nathaniel, who got us that Turkey 708 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: Call article from and he said he was going through 709 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: the article, the Turkey Call n WTFS publication. It published 710 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: their names. It's still out there, you know. Yeah, So 711 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: it's not like we uncovered something that that wasn't known. 712 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,320 Speaker 1: But I'm going back to my apology to Cloth is I. 713 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 1: I really did. I said, I'm you know, I'm sorry 714 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: for what this might the attention this might have brought 715 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 1: to you, you know, But I really feel like how 716 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: he handled himself on the podcast was was noble. I 717 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: really do, and I hope that it brings uh, you know. 718 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: We talked about his businesses and stuff, and I mean, 719 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to support them, go buy 720 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: a go go by. So let me say something that 721 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,600 Speaker 1: before I forget it. This burns me more than anything is. 722 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: I said, the name of the restaurant is the Blue 723 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: Bell Restaurant in Mcconnell'sville, Ohio. I said blue Bird, blue 724 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 1: blue Bell, It's blue Bell. So that was my bad. 725 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:02,919 Speaker 1: So that is an official correction. Repercussion and crowd Dad, 726 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: which we're both wrong. It's repercussions and crawl fish, crayfish. 727 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: Let's hold on, we'll come back to this. We'll come 728 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: back to this. So the restaurant, holy cow, for real, 729 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: if you're in Mcconnellsville, if you were within an hour 730 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,719 Speaker 1: and a half of Mcconnellsville, I'd drive there to eat breakfast. 731 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: This is fantastic breakfast, great atmosphere, and everybody in that 732 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 1: restaurant wanted to talk to Claude Maxwell. Really, I mean, nobody, 733 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: nobody knew who I mean, I was just sitting there. 734 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,000 Speaker 1: I was just a dude sitting there. Everybody want to 735 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: talk to Claude. Everybody walked by was trying to get 736 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: his attention. It's like, he's that kind of guy. He 737 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: really is, and he so anyway, that's honorable. It's an 738 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: honorable life. And that's when I realized that we probably 739 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: weren't the most popular crew for bringing this all back 740 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: up on the national state, rubbing a little assault of this. Well, 741 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: I mean, for real, it's it's been gone for thirty years, 742 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: so that you know, like I said, just bringing it 743 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: back to like the fact that like we are not uh, 744 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: we're not uh putting our stamp of approval on poaching. 745 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: What is so interesting is the redemption, the choices that 746 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 1: he made after and I think that like one of 747 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: the pieces of evidence for his change is his willingness 748 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,920 Speaker 1: to go on record and talk to you and be like, hey, 749 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: I was wrong, but here's my life now. And I 750 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: think that's such a privilege. I don't want to lose 751 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 1: sight of the fact that it was a privilege to 752 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: get to tell this story, and a privilege that he 753 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 1: chose to give you time and to I don't know, 754 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:58,439 Speaker 1: I'm I'm very thankful for that. What do you think, Dad, Well, y'all, 755 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,640 Speaker 1: ye have done a nice job covering it. I would 756 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: just say that he was the exact same guy when 757 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: he was doing this RTI saw that he was a 758 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: good guy. He just was got involved with peer pressure 759 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: and felt like it wasn't that big of a deal, 760 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, even though really he knew it was a 761 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 1: big deal. I feel like, I mean, you know, you 762 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: just know you you know it's breaking the law. But 763 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,120 Speaker 1: he had all the inner workings and hidden mechanisms to 764 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: be successful in this life. And he took a little detour, 765 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: and the detour brought him back probably to his destiny 766 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: he was gonna have anyway, and made him probably better. 767 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: You know, It's what I thought. Artis saw it. He 768 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 1: was a quality guy. You know, he had he had 769 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff going for him. Um. It makes 770 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: you wonder when Artie talks about having that urge to 771 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: call him and tell him that the raid was happening, 772 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 1: what would have been the trajectory of his life if 773 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: he had warned him or something. I thought if he 774 00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: would have eventually had that break or if this was 775 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,839 Speaker 1: the thing that he needed to all right, let's get 776 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: the ship headed in the right direction. Now, I don't know, 777 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's not things like this aren't clear. Like 778 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: I agree with what Dad said, and if there's one 779 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: thing that that I could do, it's not different. But 780 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: if you were just telling a more complex story, Yeah, 781 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't think target number two back in it was 782 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: necessarily a bad guy. Like it wasn't like he had 783 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: he I think you talked to him and it would 784 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 1: be the same cloud I talked to, just a little 785 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: detour and you know, like he said, he didn't view 786 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 1: himself as a bad person. I mean he wasn't. So 787 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: so what would have happened if this would have been 788 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: prolonged for a period of time, like maybe probably would 789 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,120 Speaker 1: have grown out of Probably he would have They would 790 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: have been pressures that would have come around his life 791 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: where he's like, Okay, I'm gonna have to do stuff different. 792 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: This was just a hard smack. And you know, you 793 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: you gotta be careful how you say this stuff because 794 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,279 Speaker 1: you know, I'm playing both sides of the fence, Like 795 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm promoting law enforcement and RT and 796 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: and UH and and what the Ohio D and R 797 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,239 Speaker 1: did or you know, I'm telling their story like, hey, 798 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,280 Speaker 1: this is this is good stuff. But now I'm also 799 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: interested in cloud story and I and this. Honestly, I 800 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: feel loyalty to both of them and and um so 801 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 1: it's a tricky It felt tricky on the inside of 802 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: me being loyal to both sides of this story duplicitus. 803 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: Well maybe not, but uh, but it was. It was 804 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: probably one of the most interesting situations I've been in 805 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: since I've been doing this here podcast. You shouldn't feel it. 806 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,640 Speaker 1: You shouldn't feel torn one way or the other because 807 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 1: it's it worked out like it's supposed to. Yeah, you 808 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: did a great job, there was. It's the people that 809 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm most concerned about. Well, that's what I'm talking about. 810 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,840 Speaker 1: You know that somebody was doing wrong. The law went in, 811 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 1: they took care of it. The guy paid his debt. 812 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: That's it's over with, unless he it was they make 813 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,319 Speaker 1: a podcast about you thirty years Yeah, that's the part 814 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 1: I feel bad about. It. Could it could work out 815 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: for him better though, I mean, yeah, it's a it's 816 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: a flip of coin. It could something good could come 817 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: from this. Yeah, well, and that's what that's what I 818 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: hope that for sure. What's the name of the town 819 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,400 Speaker 1: first happens. What's the name of the town, Mcconnellsville, Mcconnellsville. 820 00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 1: I smell a Target number two coffee shop. Yeah, a 821 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,520 Speaker 1: great town. Is a great town. It's right on this 822 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: big river. What do you think of the fishing community. 823 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: What do you think the contention of bear grease listeners 824 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: within an hour and a half of McConnell's phill is 825 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:18,000 Speaker 1: how many? I have no idea. Are you thinking seventy 826 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: two thousand? There is there's one Bengals fan. We know 827 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 1: that this is yeah. Uh, I like, Ohio, can we 828 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,960 Speaker 1: get all of them to go there? Not ask for Claude, 829 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: not be weird about it, just buy some stuff from 830 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,000 Speaker 1: his Yeah, big tips, Yeah, yeah, they're they're sharp family man. 831 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: And and uh and the what was the was there 832 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: a rooftop place? Yeah, there's a pizza place, real nice. 833 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: I called the pizza place one day to uh. I 834 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: was actually trying to get ahold of it. Was before 835 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: I had had an official introduction to Claude. And it 836 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: was the best, like a voicemail. It was like after 837 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 1: hours or something before they opened during the day, and 838 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: it was like super polished and professional. My mouth was 839 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 1: watering by the time I got done. It was like 840 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: giving you the menus, like thanks for calling Maxwell's Pizza. 841 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,000 Speaker 1: Try our cheese sticks. No, no, I mean it's not 842 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 1: like a major national franchise. And I was like, you 843 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:30,200 Speaker 1: forgot why you were calling. But it was good Dad, 844 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,840 Speaker 1: What were you gonna say? Uh? He survived for a 845 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,719 Speaker 1: lot of reasons. One thing, he's smart, smart guy. But 846 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,799 Speaker 1: he had two good families, really good families. And I 847 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: mean that tells you a lot about him. He's got 848 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: two good families. And he had a wonderful wife. I 849 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: mean his wife was unbelievable. I mean she saw the 850 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 1: whole thing. And because of that, here's our resident expert 851 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: right here. I mean, really, Judy. I just marvel almost 852 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: daily as I get older and wiser of how Judy 853 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: is right so many times, and she can move me 854 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: and direct me and you know, get me pointed in 855 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 1: the right direction, and uh, what did you do that 856 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: was so bad? Well? Every day, this every day when 857 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,439 Speaker 1: I'm talking three podcasts for another time, it's every day. 858 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it wouldn't be awesome if dad 859 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 1: was like a criminal and we could do a podcast 860 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: and do you mind committing some crimes if if it 861 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:49,160 Speaker 1: is actually undercover, he's he's only become friends with you. 862 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: But but to finish it off. I mean, I want 863 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 1: to hear what uh a wife and a mother thought 864 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: about this, misty, what do you think? Okay, oh, wow, 865 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: she's got notes. I don't have notes I have. I 866 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure I quoted it right. No. Discipline 867 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 1: seems pleasant at the time, but painful later on. However, 868 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,399 Speaker 1: it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those 869 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: who have been trained by it. Therefore, strengthen your feeble 870 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: arms and weak knees, make level paths for your feet 871 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 1: so that the lay may not be disabled, but rather healed. 872 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:30,760 Speaker 1: And I think that discipline, punishment consequences can either cripple 873 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 1: a person drop it can either you know, completely destabilized 874 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,560 Speaker 1: and destroy a person. I think that's I think that's 875 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:50,240 Speaker 1: a new testament. Okay, um can either destabilize and destroy 876 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 1: someone or can cause them to become more stable, to 877 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 1: become stronger, can be can be trained, You can be 878 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,319 Speaker 1: trained by it, and I think there's kind of two 879 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: pieces here. He was trained by discipline, but you saw 880 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,680 Speaker 1: how it nearly ruined his life. I mean the way 881 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,319 Speaker 1: he talked about the depths of despair that he went into, 882 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 1: and I don't think you even covered that as as 883 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: much as as your conversation would have led on. But 884 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: so there is something in him that responded to that well. 885 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: And I think what Gary says is right. I think 886 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 1: his wife really helped him. I think just from the 887 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,000 Speaker 1: stories his family, you know, he was pulled forward by 888 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,879 Speaker 1: the things he did have left. But I think that 889 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,520 Speaker 1: you know, you can have difficult circumstances, the consequences of 890 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: your own actions, whatever you want to call it, can 891 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: completely destroy a person. But I think it speaks to 892 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: his character and I think it speaks to the strength 893 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,279 Speaker 1: of the people around him that he was able to 894 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,320 Speaker 1: allow this to be something that changed him. And I 895 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: but I do think it it changed him also. He Uh, 896 00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: if he would have been just average Joe poacher, it 897 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't bothered him that much. You know, it really bothered 898 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 1: I mean, he he beat on himself so hard, but 899 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,319 Speaker 1: he was smart enough and had to support pull out 900 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: of it. And come back like a racehorse. Yeah, I 901 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,680 Speaker 1: mean he came out there running wide open. Yeah. That's 902 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,400 Speaker 1: a good point. And that's the thing that when when 903 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: when something negative comes on you, so many, so many 904 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: people would would fold in bitterness or or they would 905 00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: have set out to try to prove to the man 906 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: that they didn't have to stand under his authority. I mean, really, 907 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,120 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that get caught end up getting embittered, 908 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,759 Speaker 1: and they spend the rest of their life trying to 909 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,439 Speaker 1: just like truck, don't even care, just go holy call, 910 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: all right, so I got caught and just keep doing 911 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,720 Speaker 1: whatever you do. Yeah, it really bothered him, which tells 912 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:03,480 Speaker 1: you what we've said. He was a quality guy. Yeah, 913 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: well he was, and and that brings me back. I 914 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,840 Speaker 1: actually now remember what I was saying. When I was 915 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: saying I'm playing both sides of the fence about ten 916 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: minutes ago, I was talking about that is that is 917 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 1: that though mccondlesville folks, not Claude, didn't tell me this, 918 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,520 Speaker 1: it's just what I felt when I was there. They 919 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: all felt like they came down real heavy handed on 920 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,360 Speaker 1: these guys trying to make a statement to the world, 921 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,319 Speaker 1: make an example out of him, which we know, i'll 922 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,200 Speaker 1: know is true and that happens, Well, that's effectively what 923 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,880 Speaker 1: you were talking about with your caribou and wolf analogy. 924 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: It may seem harsh and in the moment, but and 925 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate for this population, for that single caribou. But 926 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if i'd used 927 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:59,000 Speaker 1: the word necessary. But it does send a message to coach. 928 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,839 Speaker 1: And it's and and it's and and this is where 929 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 1: you have to be careful because it's it's not like 930 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 1: you're being you know, somebody said, well, you're being soft 931 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,040 Speaker 1: on poachers if you feel sorry for these guys that 932 00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,480 Speaker 1: we're breaking the law that did get caught in the 933 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: and the heavy hand of the law came down on them. 934 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: And you might say, well, they were guilty of every 935 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,880 Speaker 1: bit of it. Well, you know what, I've hunted without 936 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,800 Speaker 1: a hunter's orange before and didn't get the ticket for it. 937 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,720 Speaker 1: Keep going, you see what I've said. I mean, literally, 938 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: there's a guy and I know what it feels like 939 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: to have a guy undercover following you single thing you 940 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,880 Speaker 1: do that and then having to give a recompense for 941 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: every like it was. It was heavy handed and I'm 942 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,320 Speaker 1: not saying that's wrong. I'm just saying it's kind of 943 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: a bummer for Claude, kind of bummer for all these guys. 944 00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,840 Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of the consensus of the community. 945 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think we'd be the same way if that 946 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: had happened to And by us, I mean just somebody. Well, 947 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: it's it's I mean going back to restorative justice versus 948 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,760 Speaker 1: punitive justice. It's like, the thing that is compelling about 949 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: restorative justice is it makes our community better. The thing 950 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,960 Speaker 1: that's problematic about punitive justice is that we often want 951 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,000 Speaker 1: punitive justice for other people, but we want restorative justice 952 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,200 Speaker 1: for ourselves because we can we know the story and 953 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: we can tell a different story of why it was 954 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: okay that we did it, or apologize for it. It's 955 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,840 Speaker 1: like we want justice, quote unquote justice for them, but 956 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: we want grace for ourselves. And that's why it's important 957 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: to have a system that trends towards restorative justice. And 958 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,880 Speaker 1: that's why we like stories like this where it's like 959 00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,400 Speaker 1: it worked. And I'm not sure that honestly, what I 960 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying is actually I don't know 961 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,560 Speaker 1: that our justice system is designed or that people want 962 00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,160 Speaker 1: it to be, and you're using the word restorative. I 963 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,640 Speaker 1: think in the injustice literature would be more rehabilitative. You know, 964 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,880 Speaker 1: like when you're looking at drugs, there's a big conversation. 965 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: Are we trying to rehabilitate these guys? Are we trying 966 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: to punish them for the crime they did? And that's 967 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,000 Speaker 1: a big, huge question that people are trying to to 968 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,680 Speaker 1: figure out. And I think that that, you know, I 969 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,560 Speaker 1: don't know that it's like determined, oh, we want to 970 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: rehabilitate criminals. I think, you know, we have the death row, 971 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: we have life sentences, and those are not rehabilitative in nature. 972 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that is a decision that's been 973 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,280 Speaker 1: made by the American public or I think that's just 974 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 1: a conversation that keeps happening. But I think that that's 975 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,080 Speaker 1: the point, Like, I don't think it's like a done 976 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: and everybody agrees we need to be rehabilitating criminals. I'm 977 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a converse national conversation that is unresolved, 978 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: and you know, we're probably given way too much credit 979 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: to the punitive action and this specific thing, like and 980 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,080 Speaker 1: the Dad's point, I don't think it was you know 981 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,880 Speaker 1: all that happened to him that turned claud into who 982 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,960 Speaker 1: it was a wake up call. Yeah, because you could 983 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: because there's probably guys on that same team who had 984 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: similar consequences who did not change by it. That's That's 985 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,280 Speaker 1: kind of what I'm trying to say, is I think 986 00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: that there's something in you have a choice about how 987 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:07,240 Speaker 1: you respond to. Why I love Claude Maxwell. He responded 988 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: correctly to getting smacked, not for anybody else's sake, but 989 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,920 Speaker 1: for his own. I mean, he he just he just 990 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: he just went forward and it has done well and 991 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: and him doing well to me. I said it on 992 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: the podcast, but I say it again. It's not didn't 993 01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,479 Speaker 1: everything to do with business success, but like he wasn't 994 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:30,680 Speaker 1: an intact man. He's been married for however long, I 995 01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,920 Speaker 1: mean decades, decades, decades, and you know a lot about 996 01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: somebody when you meet their grown children, watch them interact, 997 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean for real, like just people. Hey. One of 998 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: my favorite parts of the whole thing was the story 999 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,280 Speaker 1: about the little boy thinking everybody was having a party 1000 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:49,840 Speaker 1: in him trying to show him how to get things. 1001 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,760 Speaker 1: That was good about that. Yeah, yeah, and he uh, 1002 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,959 Speaker 1: he's like his dad too. I mean he's pretty sharp cat. 1003 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,080 Speaker 1: He said, Dad, you need to do this, and I 1004 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,760 Speaker 1: think he was right. I think this is gonna help 1005 01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,160 Speaker 1: him some way. I think something good will come from this. Um, 1006 01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 1: I deeply I hope. So yeah, Claude, Claude would be 1007 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,120 Speaker 1: welcome on the Bargras Surrender anytime, or cast his son, 1008 01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,400 Speaker 1: any of them. You know, cast is super sharp. The 1009 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,000 Speaker 1: other thing that I didn't do real well is the 1010 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: bowling alley and the restaurant are actually castes. Yeah, and 1011 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I boy, we just had such a short production window 1012 01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: for this one because I just went there and then 1013 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,960 Speaker 1: just turned around and did it. And uh and and 1014 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: I just wasn't able to clarify some of that stuff. 1015 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: But but but I should have done a better job 1016 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,840 Speaker 1: at that. But fantastic series. I think it was. It was, 1017 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 1: it was, It was real. Like what was kind of 1018 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,080 Speaker 1: unique about it is that this wasn't a fabricated story, 1019 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: real story. All the stories are real, but it kind 1020 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: of happened. Happened in a way that surprised me. Even 1021 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,720 Speaker 1: so Bigary's Baby, I like it. Any foreshadowing of what's 1022 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:25,880 Speaker 1: coming up, Oh yeah, hold on, you'll see this right here. Yes, 1023 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: this was made by a famous Arkansas duck call maker. Brant. 1024 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Do you know the name of that? Do you know 1025 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: that name? I'm trying to read it. Jim Stinson in Clarendon. Yeah, 1026 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,880 Speaker 1: and let's hear a duck That's a beautiful duck call. 1027 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: Let's hear a duck call. That's pretty excellent. Look at awesome. 1028 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: That is the only foreshadow you get. That is the 1029 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 1: only foreshadow you get. Man, Hey, Merry Christmas to everybody. 1030 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,880 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for listening. We didn't sing. I think 1031 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 1: that they'll be okay everybody, everybody, everybody picked your own song. 1032 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Then three, well, everybody has a great, great Christmas. Hope, oh, 1033 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: you have a great Christmas that are here in the room. 1034 01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,720 Speaker 1: And uh, I think the next Burger shrender will be 1035 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: after the first of the year. Marches on. I think 1036 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: John Anderson has a song about that. Years we see 1037 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,400 Speaker 1: Tracy Lawrence Lawrence, Yeah, sing it, Brent. I don't I 1038 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,360 Speaker 1: going to sing the John Anderson version. Come on, I 1039 01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:59,680 Speaker 1: don't know it. All right, Merry Christmas, everybody, We wish 1040 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:07,080 Speaker 1: you Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. Jingle? Who 1041 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:16,520 Speaker 1: is to write that was true?