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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez.

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Speaker 3: And Wilmer about the rama. Welcome to those amigos. We're back.

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Speaker 1: We're back episode two.

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Speaker 2: Baby.

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Speaker 4: That's how fascinating she are it required a second episode.

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Speaker 2: Samara, she's a coach.

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Speaker 3: She's a Coacha is a very very giftedll coach, someone

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Speaker 3: that really helped me in the earlier years actually mid

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Speaker 3: years of my career. And we were talking about, uh,

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Speaker 3: the way you help leaders and actors convey story uh.

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Speaker 3: And in the same subject, the simplistic version that I

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Speaker 3: tell myself is the more prepared I am, the less

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Speaker 3: pit stops I have to make in order to make

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Speaker 3: my point.

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Speaker 2: The pit stop is the like.

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Speaker 3: Uh, these are the pit stops that you're like you

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Speaker 3: because you're trying to piece it together. Now, not all

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Speaker 3: conversations require you to stop your arms.

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Speaker 2: Like right, like you're talking to people. It is what

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 3: But what I found myself and I'm curious to see

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Speaker 3: you know, for you as a storyteller, as a you're

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Speaker 3: one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life.

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Speaker 3: You're also like you as one of the best spoken

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Speaker 3: people I've ever talked, you know, and you know and

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Speaker 3: also You're one of the most brilliant actors I've ever

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Speaker 3: seen in my life. This guy has been able to

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Speaker 3: to uh, you know, to really and I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: really sound smart there you see that, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm getting.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is like the idea that you have

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Speaker 3: to portray these characters that for the most part, you're

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Speaker 3: leading the story, you're driving us forward. And now I

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Speaker 3: don't want to say anything, but you're gonna play a

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Speaker 3: different ethnicity guy that's absolutely so far removed from who

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Speaker 3: you are, that that's going to be the next role

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Speaker 3: you're gonna take.

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Speaker 2: The people are going to be blown away by.

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Speaker 3: And you are going to have to learn the accent

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Speaker 3: and in the actual language, yes, to.

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Speaker 2: A place in the world that you've probably never been.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you haven't, you know, through the years, but like,

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Speaker 3: but you've never lived there to understand why those dialects

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Speaker 3: and why then you know where they come from. So

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Speaker 3: so for me, the thing that I realized the more

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Speaker 3: I understood, I used to say, like, and I'm so

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Speaker 3: much more back in the day when I was trying

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Speaker 3: to fit into so many smart conversations because I.

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Speaker 2: Knew I had an opinion about the things that was

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Speaker 2: being said.

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Speaker 3: But I've never communicated with those rooms before, so I

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Speaker 3: thought I had to really take my time in putting

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Speaker 3: these sentences together. So like, for example, you know, I

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Speaker 3: had to search my words more often than I could.

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Speaker 2: If I was just kind of flowing.

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Speaker 3: The more confidence I became in what I exposed myself to.

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Speaker 2: The Easter was to take those things out right. The

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Speaker 2: other thing is like you're.

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Speaker 3: Telling you talk about in your subject, but I look

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Speaker 3: for you, Freddie, what has it? Does this relate to you?

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Speaker 3: Does it trigger any emotion or memory or anything?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm from Chicago, right, And my first movie I

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Speaker 4: had to have a dialot coach because my Chicago accent,

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Speaker 4: which you can probably still hear, I'm told still there.

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Speaker 4: So I was nineteen years old. I was on the

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Speaker 4: set of a pretty big movie and it was my

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Speaker 4: first movie.

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Speaker 2: Was the movie.

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Speaker 4: It was called The Walk in the Clouds and it

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Speaker 4: took place in the nineteen thirties.

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Speaker 1: And here I was just like Chicago urban like street kid.

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Speaker 4: All of a sudden thrust it into this movie with

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Speaker 4: like Anthony Quinn and Caanu Reeves and gian Carlo Janini,

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Speaker 4: was incredibly difficult, and had I had a dialog coach

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Speaker 4: for like three months while I was on that side,

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Speaker 4: who was who's doing everything? You just said, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was a lot to process as like a nineteen

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Speaker 4: wasn't the first time. You know, my action has always

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Speaker 4: been really difficult to overcome.

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Speaker 2: I never knew that about you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you can hear it right, like

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Speaker 4: you know, this is sort of how I sound.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not here diagnosed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right.

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Speaker 4: And so when we was saying I I haven't announced

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Speaker 4: of German descent, and I was like me and they

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Speaker 4: were like, yeah you And I was like, okay, give

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Speaker 1: And so I'm.

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Speaker 2: Supposed to be starting with one.

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Speaker 4: I don't quite know who it is someone who's sitting

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Speaker 2: Gonna be nuts. Nudge.

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Speaker 5: Did you want Lucille Ball?

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Speaker 1: Can you teach with the Lucille Ball accent?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So so it's I've been struggling with it for a

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Speaker 4: long time too. I mean I've gone into rooms. I

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Speaker 4: remember in the nineties, I would audition and they would say,

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Speaker 4: I had read for something, you know, geez, like like

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean from Chicago?

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Speaker 4: I sounded like, oh, I sounded And so my accent

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Speaker 4: has always been something that's been a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Of a thorn on my side throughout my career as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I find that a lot of the work I

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Speaker 5: it's like subtle enough, like lowercase T trauma that you

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Speaker 5: That's what it is. And then I give people permission

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Speaker 5: And so many of us do that, and it's like

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Speaker 5: I just feel like no one.

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Speaker 4: So there's a therapy aspect attached to what you do

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean said therap but here's how I here's how I

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Speaker 5: say it. There is inevitably an element of therapeutic as

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Speaker 5: to this, which means healing. You know. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: ultimately we're just like, oh god, my mom said that

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Speaker 5: about me. Oh wait, do I need to keep that

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Speaker 5: story going? Is that helping me? Is it helping the

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Speaker 5: carry that burden of in this case, you know, like

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Speaker 5: my voice is annoying or whatever. Who's that helping? Is

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Speaker 5: that helping me? Like, like, do my best legacy work

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Speaker 4: So how do you how do you hand I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's not part of what you signed up for, right,

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Speaker 4: So how do you handle sort of you're coaching somebody,

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Speaker 2: They break down.

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Speaker 4: They're like in the second grade somebody you know, and

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Speaker 5: Released, Say, I love those moments, but I kind of

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Speaker 1: How do you how do you handle that?

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Speaker 5: You were clearly like you know what they say, like

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Speaker 5: I don't need to do anything. Now we're like you

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Speaker 5: that's a thing. Hey, that's a thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to undo a bunch of stuff the

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Speaker 3: beginning because when I was, when I became an actor,

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Speaker 2: There was two years ahead, you know.

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Speaker 3: When I got here, I had traded to and I

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Speaker 3: I was cheating. I think we talked about it on

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's math, like like I mean you know,

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Speaker 3: But question for you when it comes to nationalities and

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Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm asking for a friend. I'm asking

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Speaker 5: Okay. The main thing with the main thing with Spanish

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Speaker 5: think about it, and like dialect alert here I'm getting,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get technical because you asked it.

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Speaker 5: You know, even for the letter A alone in English,

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Speaker 5: if you see it in a word, you don't know.

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Speaker 5: It has five different pronunciations, the letter A. So it

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Speaker 5: can be all like about alc apple, all like father,

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Speaker 5: all like awesome, or a like.

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Speaker 1: Eight mm hmmm. And so that's confusing.

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Speaker 5: That's a lot. And when it comes to some of

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Speaker 5: those sounds, they exist or some version of them exists

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Speaker 5: in Spanish. Right, the a father is like our closest

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Speaker 5: American version to the ah. But then what's what happens

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Speaker 5: when you get to a apple? So for a lot

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Speaker 5: of Spanish speakers, they're they're, they're there. English is amazing, right,

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Speaker 5: this is not about this is no judgment on their

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Speaker 5: right acquisition of English. But if they always say apple

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Speaker 5: and now they have to go a apple. And now,

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Speaker 5: by the way, for American speakers out there, we also

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Speaker 5: And if we go at apple family, people think we're

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Speaker 5: English British family. That's that's what I mean West. That's

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Speaker 3: So we three hundred teaching teaching what a movie three

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Speaker 3: Mid Atlantic Atlantic, which is like British Buddy's not.

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Speaker 5: It's a made up nineteen thirties accent where everybody sounds fancy,

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's from somewhere like lower of the rings.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly exactly fairy sound.

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Speaker 2: I've had to audition with that accent before, didn't know it.

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Speaker 2: Did you call me?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: One of my.

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Speaker 3: Dreams is my one of my dreams is to perfect

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I've always been like.

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Speaker 1: Why because the bridge come here and they get the

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Speaker 3: Feel like it's just as if I go get James Bond,

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Speaker 1: You know, you think you can do a British accent.

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Speaker 5: Have you considered maybe you have a person, like a

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Speaker 5: Have you listened to him? Have you like repeated back?

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Speaker 2: You know, but he's so.

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Speaker 3: But the thing about his accent is he he's so

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Speaker 3: the last couple of James Bonds, They're like, his accent

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Speaker 3: But you know, but there's other characters that it's heavy.

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Speaker 5: So if I were to just like prod a tiny bit,

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Speaker 5: you might want to find someone else who also feels

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Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking.

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Speaker 5: But I'm just I mean, but I'm but I'm just saying,

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Speaker 2: But you asked me.

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Speaker 5: What I dare you and I would love it. What

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Speaker 5: What is the James Bond accent? I mean, Pierce President,

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Speaker 5: for like a straight British sound, right, It's not like

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Speaker 3: He's from there, so he grew up with all those

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Speaker 5: And you know many of them use dialect coaches.

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Speaker 3: Well for sure, but I will also say that they

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Speaker 4: Even Americans don't grow up watching British materials, so.

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, also, this is a pitch, you know, that's

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Speaker 5: the next that's the next bond sound. I think we're ready.

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Speaker 4: For for a lot of accent, for a little bonello,

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Speaker 3: Who are you got a mellow bond?

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Speaker 1: I think we really welcome to.

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Speaker 2: This is a little bond.

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Speaker 1: Who is this?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but that you said it's ready for

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Speaker 3: So the the I A e ou there's They pronounced

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Speaker 3: those a lot more closer to what Latino does right

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Speaker 5: That helps you as a bridge, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: Bridge, But it's more like.

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Speaker 3: You're just saying because they do pronounce the words like

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Speaker 3: the A. Yeah, it seems like they're pretty consistent with

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Speaker 5: They've got the same it's just that they don't do

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Speaker 5: that that ugly family. But yeah, it'd be like family.

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Speaker 5: The apple sound.

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Speaker 2: Is just uh, we say can't.

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Speaker 5: We say can't and they say can't. But that's the

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Speaker 5: awe sound like father father.

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Speaker 1: So is that the key to learning that action is

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Speaker 5: Oh, there's so many parts. Okay, there's so many parts.

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Speaker 5: When we're learning English as a first language from another

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Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to speak for all British people,

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Speaker 5: but I've talked to it and they don't realize that.

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Speaker 5: They say can and kan't.

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Speaker 2: They don't hear it. They don't hear it.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, is the word castle on the ask list?

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Speaker 5: And they're like, castle, Yeah, what's the list?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh, okay, right, right right. But the main

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Speaker 5: way technical. But the rs at the ends of words

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Speaker 5: actually vowels. They're not the same our our mouth doesn't

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Speaker 5: the word red, do the word red, river field, what's

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Speaker 5: happening your mouth redd?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Like what's happening? There's like a coming together everything red.

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Speaker 5: If we did that at the end of the word father,

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Speaker 5: would be a it's a dialect father. So what are

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Speaker 5: we really doing?

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Speaker 2: Father?

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Speaker 5: Or our mouth stays open? The definition of a vowel.

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Speaker 5: Can't believe IM talking about this, you guys, This is

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Speaker 5: like no, Yes, definition of a vowel is that your

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Speaker 5: why we can sing on vowels. So if your mouth

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Speaker 5: it's a vowel father, or just has some what we

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Speaker 5: that's British.

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Speaker 4: What would be some initial exercises that you do with

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Speaker 5: With I mean, I kind of build the exercises based

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Speaker 1: Like do you remember do you remember the exercises? What

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Speaker 1: did we do the pencil?

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Speaker 5: Did you do the pencil?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just like you put.

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Speaker 3: The pencil here and make sure that your mouth is

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Speaker 5: Just activated, It activates, you know. The main thing that

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Speaker 5: So certain muscles get used and the other muscles are like, no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never.

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Speaker 5: Been activated in the last twenty years. And then here

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Speaker 5: we are being like, let's activate those muscles, and so

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Speaker 4: From okay, so what does that do if you put

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Speaker 1: What's to just work a little harder?

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Speaker 5: Now I have to like really do it. You're not

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Speaker 1: Pen because because you're exercising certain.

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Speaker 5: Most yeah, yeah, it's just part of a warm up.

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Speaker 3: Also, honestly, I also phone, especially when I do a

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Speaker 3: up my vocals. You can't come in and just you know,

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Speaker 3: do it cold. So I you know a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 5: I like to joke that I have a long history

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Speaker 5: and it's true, although it's not the whole job.

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Speaker 2: Is that in your book?

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Speaker 5: I think I came up with that during the rest.

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Speaker 2: After the book.

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Speaker 1: And see.

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Speaker 4: That somebody quote she tells the levers what to do

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Speaker 3: Do you find that when actors have to play a

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Speaker 3: oh they're have like some weird acting, we'll buy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to throw under the bus what I

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Speaker 5: one's from Mexico. Shall we try to make them sound

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Speaker 2: If they're speaking English? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like because if they're speaking Spanish, I

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Speaker 4: Is it, because the perception is that they all sound

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Speaker 3: Yes, correct, Yeah, if you speak Spanish as your first language,

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Speaker 3: when you speak English, you're all going to sound similar,

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Speaker 5: Don't know when I hear from so many I mean

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Speaker 5: are like light offended, right, Like, of course, if you're

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Speaker 5: seeing something that's like a Cuban show and they didn't

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Speaker 5: thanks for putting millions of dollars into that show, but

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Speaker 5: not that part of it, right.

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Speaker 3: No, And by the way, I mean there was a

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Speaker 3: lot of criticians that have you ever done God for

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Speaker 3: because you know, there was not that emphasis of like, oh,

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Speaker 2: Of a Cuban man, you know. So people just bought it.

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Speaker 3: They're like, he has an accent, so right, so he

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Speaker 3: it goes it's just about also the actors should probably

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Speaker 3: best actors of our entire generation, So he can do

448
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Speaker 3: no wrong.

449
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: In my eyes, I love that man.

450
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 3: I think in general as a rule of thumb, for

451
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: most actors and for all young actors who are listening

452
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: to this thing is you know, it's what separates you

453
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 3: from you know, from the rest of going for the

454
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 3: same thing. It's like that little extra layer you put

455
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 3: in there. It's what keeps you on a set.

456
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 5: And to circle back to your German right Like, yes,

457
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 5: of course understandably you can. You anybody can get stuck

458
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 5: in like that's so different from me. But ultimately, what

459
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 5: you're going to be inside of, inside of a creative

460
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: process is like the curiosity and the wonder and the

461
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 5: beauty of like.

462
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: Who's this guy?

463
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 5: How do I this guy?

464
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 2: And that?

465
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 5: And that is such a more generative and creative space.

466
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 5: Then shit, I'm not this guy, you know.

467
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 2: So we're both by lingual.

468
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 3: We speak Spanish and English, right, well I kind of

469
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 3: speak English, but he doesn't want But so the so

470
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 3: for for people like Freddie and me who are bilingual

471
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,360
Speaker 3: and quite quite bi lingual, and I'm.

472
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: Both English and Spanish.

473
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 3: What are the accents that are probably the low hanging

474
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: fruit for us? What do you think, like will be

475
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: the accents that we'd be like very good at because

476
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 3: you have the understanding of how to pronounce stuff in

477
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: Spanish and.

478
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 5: How to pronounce okay, you tell me, what do you think.

479
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: A British accent like James Bond?

480
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: Is that.

481
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: There for you?

482
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: I guess other other Latin actions. Have you ever had

483
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: to do anything other than an American accent for.

484
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 2: For a project?

485
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: A lot, like for different Mexican accents, Yeah, like northern,

486
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: the fa you know, you know, like have you have

487
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: you gotten very specific about the mean? Yeah, in Mexico

488
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: you think, okay, this manta, this man, I think this

489
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: manata way right. And if you're in Colombia and there's

490
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: like three different Columbian accents, rights see, and you know

491
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 3: I'm an, I can butcher a Puerto Rican. I can

492
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 3: butcher the Dominican, right, I can also like Argentina.

493
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: It's like you know, you know, was a key landed

494
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: their nose and.

495
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: So everybody has like this little singer and I'm gifted

496
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: on all those South American accents because I grew up

497
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 3: with them, and I grew up imitating them, right, just

498
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,440
Speaker 3: like the British grew up imitating all different American accents,

499
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: the American, the New Yorker accent or the Boston accent,

500
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: you know, like.

501
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: All those guys. So I knew how to do those.

502
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, that lot.

503
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: But and so if I were to speak in English

504
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: as one of these nationalities, I could write, it's a Cowana.

505
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when I speak to Amelia seven

506
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: after I hang up the phone.

507
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: So I'm speaking Cuban.

508
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: Really were, But that's that's the thing. But yeah, I

509
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: mean I don't know, but commonly, you.

510
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: Know, for you is the only other one I would

511
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: add to that. I mean maybe Portuguese, right, maybe maybe

512
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 5: maybe Brazilian or Portuguese like.

513
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: Some of the.

514
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 5: And the other one, although it's like, you know, there's

515
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 5: a little bit of a dance over to it.

516
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: But Italian, oh yeah, Italian, I think I could probably.

517
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 5: And I you might have caught this on on that

518
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 5: list of names that you said earlier, but I got

519
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 5: to coach American crime story versace, and that's Edgar Ramirez,

520
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 5: your countryman. Yeah, yeah, I love them, Penelope Cruz and

521
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 5: a little bit of Ricky Martin.

522
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and were completely different places.

523
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: And none of them Italian.

524
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, And Ricky's from the island. That that's

525
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 4: a whole other different sort of rhythm, you know, the

526
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: Puerto Ricans from the Eye Island in the Puerto Ricans

527
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 4: from like New York or Chicago. And my experience has

528
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 4: been different. And sometimes I'll go to Puerto Rico and

529
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: I listen to people in the island, I'll be like, what,

530
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if it's the speed or

531
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: or or there's something in the dialect and the and

532
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 4: the rhythm of it that that sometimes and Puerto Rico, yeah,

533
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: I mean it's the island where my family is from.

534
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: There's sometimes I have to kind of slow down.

535
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 4: And just.

536
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: Money swallow other words.

537
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: Right, it's a different it's a different rhythms.

538
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: In the world.

539
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 5: In order to make people feel like they haven't us,

540
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 5: which also means then that there's them, like there's this

541
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 5: there's this amazing quote from a from a woman I

542
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 5: quote in the book talking about how like put put

543
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 5: the same group of people on two sides of a

544
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 5: mountain range and within like months, they'll start to sound

545
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 5: different within generations. Obviously they're like fully drenched other languages,

546
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 5: like we do this, it's a human thing.

547
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: We do.

548
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: You talk about the Italian accident for that specific movie,

549
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 3: did you feel that the fact that they spoke Spanish

550
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: was in advantage for their Italian accents or everyone had

551
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: to have.

552
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 5: To ask them, You have to ask them. Yeah, I

553
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: think yes, But also like, okay, what's the what's this?

554
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 6: This is?

555
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 5: This is just like fun geeky, but like, what's the

556
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: biggest difference between the Spanish and Italian when speaking in English?

557
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: There's this, right, There's something about the musicality, and there's

558
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 5: also that I can't say this is not sounding like

559
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 5: being me and to Italian speakers, I am not. This

560
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 5: is just how sounds work. Spanish speakers know how to

561
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 5: stop a word on a consonant. Italians have literally never

562
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 5: done this in their life, so they will always add

563
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: a vowel on the end. So often we were like

564
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: artificially adding in a vowel. So if it was like

565
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: the word stop, you know, like stopped on a tell

566
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: or something, it'd be like stop, you need like the

567
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: little oh yeah, right, And so giving them the permission

568
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 5: to find like how to have more of a through

569
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 5: energy instead of a you know.

570
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember reading Marlon Brando when he played Sabada

571
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 4: and he was saying, I wasn't really trying to learn

572
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: an accent, but I was. I was just trying to

573
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: learn the rhythm. And so when he did that movie,

574
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 4: it was more about the rhythm that made it believable

575
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: to him.

576
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Is there a difference?

577
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 4: So like I was like, oh, that's an interesting thing

578
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 4: to say, you know, Like, is.

579
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 5: There also once we're doing English as a second language,

580
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 5: we're speaking in English, right, We're not doing language work,

581
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: that's its own thing. But we're speaking English as somebody

582
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 5: who grew up speaking Spanish or you know, Italian or

583
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 5: whatever whatever. There's range no, no, two people who were

584
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 5: in that scenario speak English the same. Because when did

585
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: you learn it? How what was your like interest in

586
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 5: learning it? What was your inner resistance? What is your

587
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 5: like vibe around? How dare I have to speak this

588
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: language versus I want to soak.

589
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: It all up? Right?

590
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,239
Speaker 5: This is all super personal. So that does actually give

591
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 5: us freedom also as as you.

592
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 3: Know, flipping in a little bit on your leadership work

593
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: and with those individuals that have to you know, talk

594
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: to whole company or do a key, don't speak, or

595
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 3: they're just in politics.

596
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing to ask for me because.

597
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: We know multiple cultures that are listening to our to

598
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: our to our show and very different you know, origins

599
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: of latinos as well when it comes to leadership, being noticed,

600
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: being you know, being listened to with a with a

601
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 3: sense of respect and authority. What what advice do you

602
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 3: give those who are embarking into like I want to

603
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 3: unlock a different world for me, And that doesn't mean

604
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: that I'm pretending to be someone else, because it's not

605
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: that you're changing who you are how you're talking. You're

606
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: just tapping into a different form of expression that allows

607
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: you to really you know, submers yourself in a different world.

608
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 5: I mean, you get it.

609
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: That's it.

610
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: That's it. There's so much of the work is like, Okay,

611
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: we'll have in front of us, say a speech or

612
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 5: a panel that we're prepping for or whatever, like, and

613
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 5: that's the deliverable, that's the thing, And we know we're

614
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 5: kind of doing the thing. We need the thing to

615
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 5: be good by that date, but we also know that

616
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: we're kind of using that as maybe a trojan horse

617
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 5: to work on the other stuff, which is like, how

618
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 5: do I show up? What is this like thing? What

619
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 5: happen like spiritually?

620
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: Right?

621
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: Like, how does the spirit of me show up in

622
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: these spaces, regardless of accent, regardless of my old stories

623
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: of my voice is annoying or film the blank? Right,

624
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: what does it take for me to like really really

625
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 5: show up in these spaces? And for each person it's

626
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: a little different obviously, right, It's like it would not

627
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 5: work in any way to be like, here's my framework,

628
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 5: you have to do this to do that, right, Like

629
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: this this is not this is not it, although there

630
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 5: are universal themes that do that do come up a lot,

631
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: but ultimately this is about visibility. This is about what

632
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 5: does it feel like to be seen? What does it

633
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: feel like to be seen? And also claim how I

634
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: mean I lovingly use the word weird, but it just

635
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: how how unique we are, who we actually are, what

636
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 5: we actually care about while being seen and continue to like,

637
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 5: continue to see, continue to make it about who we're

638
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: talking to and not about us. Right, So some of

639
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 5: this is practice, some of it is new perspective, right,

640
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 5: like how do I switch up my approach so that

641
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 5: I stop being like in the moments before I go on,

642
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 5: all I'm thinking about is I hope they don't notice

643
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 5: that I dot that dot and into something like I

644
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 5: can't believe I get to talk about my favorite thing.

645
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 5: My goal is that by the end, here's the new

646
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: thought that they will have, right, Like, there's just healthier mindset.

647
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: What is your intentions right before you even speak?

648
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: And then when we talk about accent, it's like, yeah,

649
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: of course there is sounds right if you've never made

650
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 5: a teach sound in your life, Like, this is the

651
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: thing we can work on. And maybe the teach maybe

652
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: getting the tongue outside of your mouth, which is what

653
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 5: has to happen, only tiny bit, but it has to

654
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 5: happen to make a teach happen. Maybe that will unlock

655
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: a sense of confidence. But maybe that's not it, or

656
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 5: maybe that in concert with and what's the with and

657
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 5: it's like different for everyone, but the spirit of it is,

658
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: what if I'm exactly right? What if I am the

659
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 5: right person to be on that stage talking the way

660
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: I talk with a little bit of my own personal mischief,

661
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 5: like the twinkle in my eye because I'm up to something, right.

662
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 4: What made you transition from dialect coaching to public speaking, Like, like,

663
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: what inspired it to talk to me about the what

664
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: that journey?

665
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 5: I'll tell you. It was the twenty eighteen midterms and

666
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 5: I was coaching gal Gado on Wonder Woman Too. I

667
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: got to do the US portion in DC before they

668
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Speaker 5: shot most of it in London, and I had downtime

669
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Speaker 5: because there was a lot of stunt sequences and she

670
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Speaker 5: wasn't even like like hooked up to a microphone, and

671
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Speaker 5: so I was like in DC for a month, we

672
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Speaker 5: had like washed, not washing what's it called Pennsylvania Avenue,

673
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Speaker 5: like shut down for stunt sequences. And I was just wandering,

674
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Speaker 5: being like I'm not needed, no one needs me.

675
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Speaker 2: What am I doing?

676
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Speaker 5: I'm I'm not great with like not feeling needed, you know.

677
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Speaker 5: And in the midst of that, I got this call

678
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Speaker 5: from move on dot org, which is one of these

679
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Speaker 5: organizations that finds good candidates and then is like, we'll

680
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Speaker 5: give you resources. Maybe that means money, but maybe that

681
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 5: means training. And that was the year that became the

682
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Speaker 5: Blue Wave, a huge amount of first time candidates, a

683
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Speaker 5: huge amount of women candidates. One but we didn't know

684
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Speaker 5: that the summer before all we knew that was that

685
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Speaker 5: there was a lot of first time candidates, which is

686
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Speaker 5: another word for members of the community who were like,

687
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Speaker 5: oh god, is it me? Should it be me?

688
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Speaker 6: Oh God?

689
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Speaker 1: But why did you get a call if you're a

690
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Speaker 1: dialect coach?

691
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Speaker 5: A friend recommended me, interesting, but she'd be good for this.

692
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Speaker 5: But an activist like I care about the world a lot,

693
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Speaker 5: so he knew that. And but the call came out

694
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Speaker 5: of the blue, and they literally were like, we have

695
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Speaker 5: no money. This is not that, that's not that's all

696
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Speaker 5: this is.

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Speaker 2: That's all this is.

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Speaker 5: But there's all these candidates. Could you do a zoom

699
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Speaker 5: call here and there?

700
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Speaker 4: And I was like, but why did they feel you

701
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Speaker 4: were qualified to do public speaking if if all you

702
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Speaker 4: had done before that was dialect coaching.

703
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Speaker 1: They were right, no, no, absolutely, such a sense.

704
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Speaker 2: To no, no, No.

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Speaker 5: It is because I mean, I think it's because I

706
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Speaker 5: was doing activism work and I had been coaching my

707
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Speaker 5: clients who were doing public speak, and like, I think

708
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Speaker 5: my friend, his name is Joel, My friend put it

709
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Speaker 5: together before I did, and I told him this. He

710
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 5: came to one on book signings and he fully cried

711
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 5: because I was like, it's that dude.

712
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Speaker 1: Oh so he's the one.

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of touch points. There were a

714
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Speaker 5: lot of touch points, but that that moment when I

715
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Speaker 5: got that call from move On, how easy was that? Right?

716
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Speaker 5: They came to me and they were And it wasn't

717
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Speaker 5: like they were like, we're gonna throw you a bunch

718
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Speaker 5: of first time candidates for office and then we assume

719
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Speaker 5: that you're going to probably leave your career behind and

720
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Speaker 5: make a big pivot and then write a best selling book.

721
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Speaker 5: They didn't say that, right. They were just like, try

722
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Speaker 5: this thing. It's free, maybe you can help. And I

723
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: was like, sign me up. And then while I was

724
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Speaker 5: coaching those women, I was.

725
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Speaker 6: Like, oh, the whole history of the world of public

726
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 6: speaking is so mean. So it's so fear based, it's

727
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Speaker 6: so mean.

728
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Speaker 5: You're doing this wrong. You're doing this wrong. You're doing

729
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 5: this wrong. You're doing this wrong. You better get this right,

730
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Speaker 5: don't fuck it up. Do this with your hands or

731
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Speaker 5: everyone will laugh at you. Like right, like some version

732
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 5: of that we've all gotten m And I was like,

733
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Speaker 5: especially maybe for women, but also especially for people of color,

734
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Speaker 5: especially for queer folks, especially for English as a second language,

735
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Speaker 5: Like anybody who feels internally marked as different in how

736
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Speaker 5: we sound or how we seem. Right, I said early on,

737
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: like we get treated differently based on how he'd write.

738
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Speaker 5: This is where I was like, oh, we need a

739
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 5: different rule book for public speaking. That is like, I mean,

740
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 5: you know, the opposite of fear, they say, is life.

741
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 5: What is a love based approach to public speaking? How

742
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 5: do we talk about what we care about so the

743
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 5: care spreads? How does that change the world? How does

744
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: that change whose voices get heard?

745
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Speaker 3: From your perspective? What makes a good leader when it

746
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Speaker 3: comes to public speaking?

747
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Speaker 2: Like? What is that? What is that trade? What is that?

748
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Speaker 2: I don't want to call it character trait? But wait,

749
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Speaker 2: what is that? What is the aleming?

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Speaker 3: What is the thing that makes a good leader when

751
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Speaker 3: it comes to public speaking?

752
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Speaker 5: I feel like we could all answer this so many

753
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 5: different ways, sure, but what came to mind instantly when

754
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 5: you said that is like a real commitment to showing

755
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Speaker 5: up human.

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Speaker 1: For it not to feel forced or over our over.

757
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Speaker 5: And like the vulnerability laced with strength, right, vulnerability doesn't

758
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be in weak weakness, but saying when

759
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 5: we don't know something, but saying you know, like we

760
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 5: all know there's a way to say, I don't know.

761
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 5: That makes us feel instantly powerless. I'm tiny. Why should

762
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: I be here versus the I don't know. That's just like,

763
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 5: that's just such a good question, let's find out, right,

764
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: And this comes from like being in our spine, being

765
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Speaker 5: in our chest and really having the compassion for ourselves

766
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 5: and for others. That makes us be like I am

767
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: going to take up the amount of space in the

768
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Speaker 5: world that is like that is that is going to

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Speaker 5: offer humanity and like, you know, humanness, I mean like

770
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Speaker 5: our animal body, like the truth of oh my god words, right,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, but like this thing that feels very human,

772
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Speaker 5: I'm going to take up enough space that everybody else

773
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: also feels like they're allowed to be human, and then

774
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Speaker 5: we make rooms better.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 5: And I often say to my clients, like, think about

777
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: the the type of leader you wish there was more

778
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 5: of in the world, and then just show up that way,

779
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 5: like do it today. We're not we're not gonna be perfect,

780
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 5: but like do it today.

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Speaker 3: And if you're in the business more yeah, And if

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Speaker 3: you're in the business of leadership, I mean that's one

783
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 3: thing you have to really believe to your court that

784
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Speaker 3: you're standing on that podium for a specific purpose, and

785
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: you intentionally have to move to actually get to where

786
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 3: you're you're preaching.

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Speaker 2: H you heard it. You have to you have to

788
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Speaker 2: earn it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously this is there's like a Brazilian categories that we'd

790
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 3: love to talk.

791
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Speaker 2: To you about.

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00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: I mean we this might be in this might be

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Speaker 3: a two episode, you know, a two episode.

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Speaker 5: This is very h yeah, vast yeah.

795
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Speaker 3: And we didn't even open a little can of worms

796
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: of like what were my biggest problems? When you can

797
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 3: speaking about it like an American accent. I think for me,

798
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't get out of my own way. There's the

799
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Speaker 3: mold story. Like I think that as soon as I

800
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 3: knew that there was a word that I had a

801
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: problem with, I could flow.

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Speaker 2: Through the first three sentences.

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Speaker 3: And as soon as that word wasn't you know team

804
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: minus five seconds for me pronouncing it, I started falling apart.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's because I didn't want to let

806
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: people down around me as supposed to just like, let

807
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: me just tell the story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I need that tool, Okay, let me do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm you said here boom, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I'm a little more matter of fact now, but

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Speaker 3: you know back then, you know, I was giving roles

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00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: nobody's ever given me before. You know, So when you

813
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: talk about leadership, when you talk about community, delegation, right

814
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: doing specifically when it comes to communicating, whether it's change, inspiration,

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00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: you know, unity, all these things. You know, you have

816
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Speaker 3: to kind of find that those tools that allowed you

817
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Speaker 3: to unlock these destinations.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any other thoughts or questions?

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Speaker 4: I just think it's great that you pointed out that

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Speaker 4: there was a particular friend who saw something in you,

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00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 4: uh that that other people also started to see, and

822
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: how that eventually led you to where you're at now.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes life just kind of takes you in

824
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 4: different directions, right and.

825
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Speaker 1: Like here you are and that you're you're an author

826
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: now and you're you're.

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Speaker 4: Doing something completely different than what you initially intended to do.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's great.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes we all have these talents that it

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Speaker 4: takes other people to see within us.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: With what you do.

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Speaker 4: I've worked with dialect coaches in the past and it's

834
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: helped me so immensely, and I can just imagine how

835
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 4: what a profound impact you've had on other people, especially

836
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 4: like Wilmer, right, which is one of the reasons why

837
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: you're here now.

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Speaker 2: So thank yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also a big, big shout out to your book

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Speaker 3: Permission to Speak.

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Speaker 1: Permission to Speak, you do it by now.

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00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 5: So did I do the audio?

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm very, very.

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Speaker 5: Proud of my audio books. Yeah, and I've I've been

845
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 5: told here's my favorite compliment I've ever received. This is

846
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 5: not true, but it feels like it. I have been

847
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 5: told that I've ruined all other audios.

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Speaker 1: You ruined because yours is so good?

849
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Is that why?

850
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 5: Implication?

851
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Because you're like, you.

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00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 5: Know, look, some nonfiction that gets read by the not

853
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: author but bless you know, has this kind of detached vibe.

854
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to sound serious by saying these

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00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: sentences in this certain way. And I was like, I'm

856
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: going to, you know, I mean, perform, right, but not

857
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 5: perform like fake you fake perform like make come alive.

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Speaker 5: We have this the word in in the you know,

859
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 5: acting world of lifting, right, We're lifting the words from

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00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 5: the page. It's like we're lifting these ideas.

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Speaker 1: And so you were a tad more animated than I mean,

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00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: probably the average.

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: Listen y'all listen and report back. I don't.

864
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: That book anyway.

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Speaker 3: You get your books or audio books, and thank you

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00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: so much and thank you so much for being part

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00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: of my journey and uh and being so instrumental to

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Speaker 3: how I'm speaking on a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Now she's going to give you notes once we're done

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Speaker 1: with this.

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Speaker 2: Wilmer, You're welcome.

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00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 5: It's a podcast part well that would be a bit

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Speaker 5: more English, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it would.

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Speaker 1: This is Freddie Rodriguez and.

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Speaker 2: I'm Wilmer about the rama.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for watching this, uh, two part episode in Venezuela.

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Speaker 2: Chauma Samara, Yes.

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00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm seeing.

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00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: Is a production from the V Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael

881
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: through That podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez, and

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00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: Wilmer Valdorama.

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00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burleson and Sophie Spencer zabos.

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00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Wilmri Valdorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,

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00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 4: and Leo Klem at WV Sound.

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00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: This episode was shot and edited it by Ryan Posts

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00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: and mixed by Sean Tracy, and features original music by

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00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Madison Devenport and Helo boy.

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00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 4: Our cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed

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Speaker 4: by Deny Holtz.

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Speaker 3: Claw And thank you for being at Third Amigo today.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys always listening to those amigos.

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Speaker 4: More podcasts from My Heart, visit the R Heart Radio app,

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Speaker 4: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Speaker 2: See you next week.