WEBVTT - Ep 103: Romy, The xx

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<v Speaker 1>There's always been this kind of push and pull where

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually really liked the feeling of being scared and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thrived off of that kind of fear and

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, good evening, Welcome to Midnight Chats it is I'm

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<v Speaker 2>back with more episodes in the new year. On with

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<v Speaker 2>tonight's episode. Then, it is a huge pleasure to welcome

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<v Speaker 2>Rommy Madley Croft from the Xx onto the podcast. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been fans of that band for a long time, since

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<v Speaker 2>they've played a club night for Loud and Quiet magazine

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<v Speaker 2>many many years ago. Of course, they're now not just

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<v Speaker 2>headlining festivals but putting on their own new music from

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<v Speaker 2>them I'm sure is not too far away. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was chatting to Ronny as she recently released some music

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<v Speaker 2>under her own name for the first time. The single

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<v Speaker 2>Lifetime is a big dancelaw tune. Do go and check

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<v Speaker 2>it out if you haven't heard it already, And my

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<v Speaker 2>understanding is there's an album's worth of songs that she's

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<v Speaker 2>still working on, probably due for release in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Ronnie might only be releasing her own stuff now, but

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<v Speaker 2>she has been writing music outside of the band for

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<v Speaker 2>a while for other artists, like previous podcast guests Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Ronson and Jenny Beth. She also won a Grammy for

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<v Speaker 2>her work with Do a Leaper. That's all been happening

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<v Speaker 2>in the background the past few years. So part of

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation is about her new solo music, which sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like it's been really liberating experience to work on in

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<v Speaker 2>a number of ways. But there's also some stories about

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<v Speaker 2>her first visits to Hbitha, playing football for her local team,

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<v Speaker 2>Whippets FC, and the joy of recently seeing players that

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<v Speaker 2>she admires, like Meghan Rappino and Marcus Rashford bring about

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<v Speaker 2>really impactful societal change. What else can I tell you?

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<v Speaker 2>This was recorded at the beginning of November, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days after the US election and the first day

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<v Speaker 2>of the second UK national lockdown. And I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's everything you need to know. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>get into the chat. I'm delighted to bring you Rommy

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<v Speaker 2>on Midnight Chats episode one hundred and three. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like this has been quite a week for everybody sort

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<v Speaker 2>of with the US election, and today is the first

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<v Speaker 2>day of the second lockdown in the UK. So how

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing, how are you feeling? How's you're weeping? Hi?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm okay. It has definitely

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<v Speaker 1>been quite a week so far. I feel a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit overwhelmed, as I'm sure everyone does. I'm just sort of,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, learning to take each day as it comes

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and it definitely forces you just to

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<v Speaker 1>be literally in the moment because you can't, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we've all gotten a bit more used to

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<v Speaker 1>doing future plans and thinking, oh, you know, I can

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<v Speaker 1>do this in two months or whatever. But now I

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<v Speaker 1>just have to be like, I don't know, I just

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<v Speaker 1>have to see what I'm doing today. There's something that's

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<v Speaker 1>something about slowing down that has been kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>taking some getting used to, but is yeah, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>there's something beautiful in that as well, kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Still yeah, it's like these two polar opposites, isn't it

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<v Speaker 2>that I think we all learned during the first one to, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you say, slow down a little bit like maybe sort

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<v Speaker 2>of get back to basics with the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the time that you spend doing things and

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you enjoy. But also there is that

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<v Speaker 2>flip side of it being quite it is stressful and

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<v Speaker 2>it does bring on like anxiety not being able to

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<v Speaker 2>do the normal things you do. And so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how I feel about going into this sort of

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<v Speaker 2>second one a bit like I sort of know what

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<v Speaker 2>the deal is and so it's maybe a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>less scary, but I'm also still scared about doing another

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<v Speaker 2>lockdown haircut because yeah, definitely they're don't go well for

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<v Speaker 2>me first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, I just wanted to say, oh yeah, same.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, my cats just come and

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<v Speaker 1>sat right next to me, and so you might hear

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<v Speaker 1>some a low purring if you're if you're wondering what

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<v Speaker 1>that sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, Yeah, she's what's your call?

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<v Speaker 1>She's called Sola, but she's she's likes to get quite

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<v Speaker 1>up close and personal.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you hear I can hear there. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 2>was did? Because I think you've got a dog as well,

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<v Speaker 2>haven't you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So what's having the cat and the dog through

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<v Speaker 2>the first lockdown? Was like I mean, people talked a

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<v Speaker 2>bit about just having making sure they had like their

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<v Speaker 2>their pets and stuff to get make sure they're going

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<v Speaker 2>out and getting fresh air, and of having them there

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<v Speaker 2>was that a big, big help.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was super nice. I think, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think having having animals around, it's just it's just it

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<v Speaker 1>was a lovely thing. It's everything anyway, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, being just sorely in the house and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of it felt like, you know, like I

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<v Speaker 1>live with my girlfriend and it's like it actually felt

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<v Speaker 1>like there was four of us here because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the animals. And someone said to me today actually

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, oh, it's just nice having animals around.

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<v Speaker 3>It's more beating hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, that's actually very that's very sweet

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<v Speaker 1>thing to say. And so yeah, it was lovely. And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously being able to get out and our dog is

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<v Speaker 1>called Mouse and.

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<v Speaker 3>She is she's very big.

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<v Speaker 1>She's much bigger than a mouse, but she is was

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a real joy to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>get out and sort of have walking her as like

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<v Speaker 1>a real focused point of the day. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think normally with with you know, with work and

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<v Speaker 1>with kind of busy schedules and stuff like having a

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<v Speaker 1>dog is such a joy, but a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>time thinking okay, you know, he can have Mouse if

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<v Speaker 1>both of us are working, and you know, always feeling

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a juggling act. And then it

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<v Speaker 1>was just so nice to be able to have that

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<v Speaker 1>time and just be able to just enjoy being with

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<v Speaker 1>her and enjoy just sewing down.

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<v Speaker 2>Mouse and Zola are going to hate it when you

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<v Speaker 2>go back to work, when you're off on tour for

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<v Speaker 2>like six months at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Oh, I think I'm going to hate you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to miss them so much as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>it does seem like a sort of distant, a distant thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean I really hope that that touring

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<v Speaker 1>and everything can can happen. I feel very very grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for the touring I've done at this point, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like more than ever. I'm already grateful for the places

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen, But it does seem slightly abstract at this time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm hopeful for more.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you thought about that a lot. Has that been

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<v Speaker 2>something that you've really missed or is it a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a mixture. Is that enforced break been a nice

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<v Speaker 2>thing as well to sort of imagine like touring occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>can feel like a little bit of a slog when

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<v Speaker 2>you're when you're doing like big, big tours, So like

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<v Speaker 2>just having that enforced break, has that been nice in anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>It has been. It's been.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been really good to slow down. But I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I spent pretty much my entire twenties. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one now, but our first album came out with

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<v Speaker 1>The XX, when I was just turned eighteen, No, just turn,

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<v Speaker 1>I had just turned twenty. Sorry, we started making it

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<v Speaker 1>when I was eighteen, and so yeah, basically the full

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<v Speaker 1>full of my twenties was with all basically everything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with The XX and touring and traveling, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was incredible and I didn't really stop very much. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think we've we've always been very much

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<v Speaker 1>like we're going on tour. We're like committing fully to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the tours can sometimes be like, you know, our

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<v Speaker 1>first album tour, we didn't know what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We had no expectations, and as things kind of grew,

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<v Speaker 1>the tour ended up being like two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>years long, and you're sort of like like, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what normal life is anymore at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, you know, just being a bit more

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<v Speaker 1>like slow and at home and keeping things simple has

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<v Speaker 1>been I don't know. I think maybe it's the age

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<v Speaker 1>I might as well. I'm really really appreciating it at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, but then in the context also it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so grateful for those experiences I've had and even

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<v Speaker 1>if I can, you know, even if I couldn't go

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere ever, again, I just I'm so grateful that I

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<v Speaker 1>got to see parts of the world. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about it before when I was when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, I was quite I developed a fear of flying.

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<v Speaker 1>I had like a flight that was just really bumpy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just got really scared. And I think I

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<v Speaker 1>could have been that kind of person that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>h do you know what I'm like, I'm just someone

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<v Speaker 1>that's afraid of flying, So I'm not going to travel really,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I would just, you know, I'll make it

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<v Speaker 1>work within the my kind of fear like parameters. And

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<v Speaker 1>because because of the XX and opportunities we had and

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<v Speaker 1>being in a band and my bandmates being like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, let's go, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I managed to face those fears and get

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<v Speaker 1>like as far as Australia and all these things, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just so grateful for having something I loved so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I'm going to push through that

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to still and the other places I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>I never would have done that if it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 1>the XX.

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<v Speaker 2>So that experience is kind of yeah, like almost like

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<v Speaker 2>forced you to confront some of those things, Like your

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<v Speaker 2>life could have been really different if it wasn't for that,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is what you're saying, Like it's that experience

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<v Speaker 2>has forced you to do that, but then like the benefit,

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<v Speaker 2>the sort longer term benefit, maybe it didn't feel that

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<v Speaker 2>that right at the beginning, has probably had huge impacts

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the places you've seen, the experiences you've

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<v Speaker 2>had shaping your personality which is in turn has probably

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<v Speaker 2>gone into your art now in terms of the music

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<v Speaker 2>you make. So absolutely, Yeah, maybe difficult at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>but the long term game was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, absolutely, And I think I think about that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, like just in terms of there's a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of duality I guess between like I love making music

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of more of like a quiet person

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<v Speaker 1>off stage. And then I think it took quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like to like build up my go past

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<v Speaker 1>nerves and stuff to get to the point where I

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<v Speaker 1>can be on stage and perform in front of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, again, I could have usually been like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not a performer, Like that's just not me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like flying. I'm just gonna, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>be this one side of my personality is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>quite low key, and it's kind of the more time

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<v Speaker 1>I spend off stage, the more I sort of forget

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually can be on stage and do that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's like quite an other side of my personality.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, it's funny like since so my girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>and I've been together for two years. We were together

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago at the very beginning of over ten

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<v Speaker 1>years ago before the EXE sort of did this all

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<v Speaker 1>this touring, and so she's never seen me play live

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<v Speaker 1>apart from in a small pub eleven years ago. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite funny because like when I'm with her, she's like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's seen videos and stuff. She's like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>crazy that you do that, but she's not used to

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<v Speaker 1>me doing that, and I'm sort of not used to

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<v Speaker 1>myself doing that with her there, So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>this other side of Yeah, it's kind of accentuated by

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<v Speaker 1>the fact of our relationship as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of a funny thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And has it given you the stuff that we just

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<v Speaker 2>talked about there in terms of how you've confronted some

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<v Speaker 2>of those things that could have become fears and prohibitors,

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<v Speaker 2>things that might have stopped you do things. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>sort of developed a sort of reflex of like having

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<v Speaker 2>the courage so safe for example, when you're when you

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<v Speaker 2>maybe perhaps when you approach starting to create some of

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<v Speaker 2>this solo music that you've been sharing, I imagine you know,

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<v Speaker 2>was there a reluctance there and did you sort of

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<v Speaker 2>have to have was the other side of your brain

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<v Speaker 2>sort of saying to you, you know what, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>in situations that I think were that I was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit nervous about before, but it was all okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be all right? Was that yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Totally?

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's there is that kind of there's those

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<v Speaker 1>two sides. One I'd going, oh, it's a bit nerve

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<v Speaker 1>wracking the other side just being like just go for it,

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<v Speaker 1>like just take the risk. And then there's always been

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of push and pool where I've actually really

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<v Speaker 1>liked the feeling of being scared and kind of thrived

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<v Speaker 1>off of that kind of fear and the pressure, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think under pressure, like I don't know, there's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I've kind of gone pushed past that and then

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<v Speaker 1>actually something really like good has come from it. So

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<v Speaker 1>there is kind of a push and pool going on

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<v Speaker 1>inside me. But I would say with making solo music,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't like it took me a little while to

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<v Speaker 1>come to it, even though it was quite obvious that

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<v Speaker 1>I was writing a lot of songs for myself. It

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<v Speaker 1>was I was not the last to know, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the first to know that I was like making

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<v Speaker 1>a solo album.

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<v Speaker 3>It was I think it was it was a confidence thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I really love being in the XX

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<v Speaker 1>and I've I've you know, I haven't had this burning,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of secret desire to be a solo artist like

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<v Speaker 1>all of my life. It's more like I just was

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<v Speaker 1>craving some new writing experiences outside of the XX. So

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<v Speaker 1>I in between our second and third albums. I did

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit of pop songwriting for other people. I

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<v Speaker 1>asked to be put in sessions and collaborate with new people,

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<v Speaker 1>and people kept thinking, oh, are we writing songs for

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<v Speaker 1>the XX? And I was like, well, no, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>quite passionate that I've only ever me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oliver and Jamie.

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<v Speaker 1>I've only ever written the songs for the XX. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's something I was really I'm really like, I take it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's special to me that. But so I

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<v Speaker 1>had to be like, oh, no, this isn't for the XX,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to learn about writing, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to learn, you know, how pop music is made and

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<v Speaker 1>how these big pop hits are like what you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was curious.

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<v Speaker 1>So once we kind of got over the head or that,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, no, this isn't a song for the XX,

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<v Speaker 1>which people work I think maybe hoping for. When I

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<v Speaker 1>was in the sessions, I was like, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>can we write for somebody else? And in writing for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, potential other people, I ended up realizing I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite freeing because I was thinking, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to sing this song, but obviously the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I was writing about were kind of still personal.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I wasn't just picking things from thin air. They

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<v Speaker 1>were coming from some from somewhere. And then i'd play

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<v Speaker 1>people with some of the songs and they'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>be sure you want to give that song away, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's like clearly about this thing I know you've gone through.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, no, no, I'm giving it away.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving it away. I don't you know what else?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm not going to give it with the

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<v Speaker 1>exits because someone else has worked on it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not releasing a solo album. And after a while,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of I built up a few of these

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<v Speaker 1>songs and I slowly kind of came around to it

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<v Speaker 1>being like, actually, I think I've got something i'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to say. And I started working with a producer called

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Gibson, and he's we just developed a friendship and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just very encouraging and playful with the songwriting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really liked being around him. And one day

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<v Speaker 1>we met up and he said who should we write for?

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<v Speaker 1>What should we do? And I said maybe me? And

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind and he was like, of course, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like it was a sort of as simple

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<v Speaker 1>as that, And then we wrote this song which kind

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<v Speaker 1>of started the whole journey of making a solo album.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was kind of even though it sounds kind

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<v Speaker 1>of straightforward that I would just ask to write for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually took me quite a long time to

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<v Speaker 1>get to that place.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed somebody else's kind of realization or a few

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<v Speaker 2>other people's realization to just sort of like prod you

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<v Speaker 2>and be like, hey, maybe this one's not for somebody else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And once I sort of got in that mindset, I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of just relaxed a bit more and then could

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<v Speaker 1>just enjoy it and just be a bit more playful

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<v Speaker 1>with it, which, you know, which has been the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>joy of making this solo music.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we talk a bit more about Lifetime and the

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<v Speaker 2>other solo material you've been working on, just that point

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned there, you deliberately went out and try and

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go and work with other collaborators and other

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<v Speaker 2>artists to write songs, and it ended up being people

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<v Speaker 2>like do A Leper and Mark Ronson and you had

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<v Speaker 2>a track on the Jenny Beth record that was out recently.

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<v Speaker 2>So what were your big takeaways from that experience of

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<v Speaker 2>going out and writing music for other people.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I loved that experience. It was a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a year and a half of traveling around and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get like being parts of other people's worlds

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<v Speaker 1>in a way. Jenny Beth is a really close friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine and we spent a lot of time hanging

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<v Speaker 1>out when we were on same festival tours and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And when she was saying to me that

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<v Speaker 1>she was making a solo album, I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because because we're close friends, I was like giving you

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<v Speaker 1>listening to things and giving her my thoughts and feedback

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<v Speaker 1>and as you would. And then she asked if we'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to write together, and it was that was a

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<v Speaker 1>really intimate experience because we were writing literally together in

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<v Speaker 1>the room very much like discussing so many thoughts, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's like so clever and sees things from such an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting place and she really like challenged me and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we talk a lot. And I really loved that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a very That's one side of the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of collaborative experience with other people. For a song

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<v Speaker 1>like The Electricity, which is with Juy Lipa and Mark Ronson,

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<v Speaker 1>that's another very different process where I got to know

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<v Speaker 1>Mark from He's somebody that I had met over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but not not very closely. But I was asked to

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<v Speaker 1>do a songwriting session with King Princess, who again has

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<v Speaker 1>now become a friend who I think is incredible artist

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I'm really excited for her with everything

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<v Speaker 1>she's doing. I met her before she had released any music,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found her to be a really inspiring person

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<v Speaker 1>about like, she's just very very confident in her sexuality.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very open about it. She's like, you know, she's

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<v Speaker 1>so young, and she's just really not afraid to be

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<v Speaker 1>who she is. And I really took so much from that.

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<v Speaker 1>And she is on Mark Ronson's label, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>a session with her and him, and when we were

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<v Speaker 1>working together, it was just, you know, I was really

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<v Speaker 1>interested in and I was you know, again, it was

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<v Speaker 1>more intimate working with King Princess, sort of like one

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<v Speaker 1>on one. And then Mark messaged me and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually need some help with some lyrics. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I like the way you work or whatever, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I was very flattered, and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's you know, I'd love to I'd love to try something.

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<v Speaker 1>But then he so he played me a track that

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<v Speaker 1>it was an instrumental track that he'd made with a

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<v Speaker 1>vocal melody over it that was by Diana Gordon. He

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<v Speaker 1>was an amazing artist herself, but the melody was just wordless,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was like just the extreme of consciousness melody

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<v Speaker 1>and I found it really inspiring. And he said, can

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<v Speaker 1>you know, would you would you write the words for this?

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<v Speaker 1>So this is kind of like a patchwork quilt of

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<v Speaker 1>a song essentially, because I'm coming in to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>give it meaning. I guess I give it the story

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<v Speaker 1>and that was quite new for me to be that

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<v Speaker 1>later on in the process, just to inject that part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I actually really loved the challenge, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I really studied exactly what the vocalmenity sounded like, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of picking up on the phonetics of what she was

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<v Speaker 1>subconsciously saying, and at one point I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like she's saying electricity. And you know, then

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of sparked this story which I put into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I sang the demo and then you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>like again in this place where I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this this is not something I would sing myself. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Mark went and to find someone to sing it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's amazing that that dua sat like

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<v Speaker 1>said yes, and so she then sang it and then

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<v Speaker 1>you know, added it and developed it into her own

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<v Speaker 1>way and like made some changes and you know, has

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<v Speaker 1>then gone on to breathe so much life into the song.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just amazing to see the journey it

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<v Speaker 1>went on, because then you see her do this amazing

0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.840
<v Speaker 1>pop performance at like an award show.

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<v Speaker 3>She has like a music.

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<v Speaker 1>Video where she's dancing in it, all of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Wow, she's taken this song to

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<v Speaker 1>a place I never could have taken And I just

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<v Speaker 1>loved watching the journey and that she's made it so

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<v Speaker 1>amazing for what it made it into something so special.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it wasn't until after us that I met Jolipa.

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<v Speaker 1>So then we were both happened to be in La

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, and I sent her a message saying, hi,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've never actually met, Like you know, I

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:14.960
<v Speaker 1>saw we were in La, like, do you want to

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:16.199
<v Speaker 1>have a drink, and she was like, of course. So

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<v Speaker 1>we met and we had a really nice chat about

0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the song. It was great to meet her. But the

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<v Speaker 1>context of this story is just like, it's so different

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<v Speaker 1>to say, working with Jenny Birth or King Princess, where

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<v Speaker 1>I was there at the beginning of the song and

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it grow. This was like I met the

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<v Speaker 1>person that ended up singing the song after it was

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<v Speaker 1>already out, you know, and then we could talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was just like a whole other side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just very very different each song and each

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 1>different collaboration and things I've worked on. I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>they're different scales. But I've noticed that the bigger pop stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is something I got told by people in

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 1>the industry. It is like, well, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a room necessarily with a big, big pop star.

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<v Speaker 1>You present them with this with a trap and you know, I,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I totally get if that's the way it works.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say that there's something very special about

0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 1>being able to be a part of the songwriting process

0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>with the person that's going to sing the song. And

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.320
<v Speaker 1>if I get the opportunity to do that with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>I would really rather that because I want it to

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.720
<v Speaker 1>be personal to them and if I can help them

0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.159
<v Speaker 1>get the words out and be a part of that,

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that is like a really special thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There must have been such a thrill seeing that song

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.240
<v Speaker 2>with do Ale, a kind of go stratospheric, maybe a

0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit surreal as well, perhaps, But I mean you

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.440
<v Speaker 2>described two quite different experiences of songwriting. There are they

0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.200
<v Speaker 2>both ones that you want to pursue in future or

0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:42.640
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like you have a slight preference for being

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of there at the very sort of nucleus of

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 2>the song, like being there at the beginning, which is

0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like you say, it doesn't always happen when you're

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.880
<v Speaker 2>writing for big pop artists. So you're going to continue

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 2>to do a bit of both? Are you going to

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 2>continue to do one over the other?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to do both.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's something quite there's something quite sort of

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 1>instantaneous about getting center of vocal melody, writing some words,

0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.200
<v Speaker 1>sending it off again, and then that being the only

0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:07.679
<v Speaker 1>that's hit.

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.240
<v Speaker 3>You're done. It's quite.

0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:12.200
<v Speaker 1>It's very fast, and it's actually like quite an amazing feeling,

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and I really love It's like having this very specific

0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:18.560
<v Speaker 1>role within the process because you know, I'm used to

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 1>being part of every single part of it, from you know,

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.360
<v Speaker 1>from the initial songwriting to the production to the arrangement

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>and the mixing and the and the promotion of it

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:29.439
<v Speaker 1>and everything, and then I was literally like wow, I

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 1>just worked on the lyrics and watched it grow and

0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>that was that was really interesting. But for me, songwriting

0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 1>is that it's my biggest passion. So I just think

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>it depends on the on the person as well. Like

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.359
<v Speaker 1>there are some people that work really well, you know,

0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.480
<v Speaker 1>one on one and like opening up and stuff, and

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 1>there are some people that it's not really what they want.

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So it just got to adapt, I think to what

0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is over a decade of writing songs with THEX and

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously other people that we've just been talking about, what

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>is the difference to or what is the difference when

0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 2>coming to write a song that has your own name

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:09.360
<v Speaker 2>on it.

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I put a lot of pressure on myself, I think

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>to I don't know, I've tried to just have a

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 1>bit more fun at lately with the songs I'm writing,

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's been quite different for me writing by myself

0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>or a full story because with Oliver from the XX

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm so used to sharing a song in the sense

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that the way that we've always used word. We initially

0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.680
<v Speaker 1>started working as Oliver might have a verse or a

0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.240
<v Speaker 1>chorus idea, which he would then send over to me.

0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:40.160
<v Speaker 1>We used to work separately. We used to work over

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 1>eye chat. Went in like two thousand and eight or nine.

0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 2>It feels super retro.

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was that time. It was we were

0:23:49.920 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 1>off MSN Messenger, we were on eye chat and it

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 1>was like MySpace I Chat sort of time.

0:23:55.880 --> 0:24:01.120
<v Speaker 3>That's we were. Yeah, yeah, we were.

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 1>We've been best friends since we were three years old,

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>but we still were quite shy about writing together in

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the same room. We would sort of collage things over,

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>sending messages to each other on iChat and would build

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, if Oliver had some a verse idea, he

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 1>would send it to me, send like a clip of

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the voice memo or like whatever. Then I would react

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to that, you know, not asking him what is this exactly.

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:27.120
<v Speaker 3>About for you?

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I would just read the lyrics, kind of think about, well,

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>this kind of connects with something I've been through.

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Then I would.

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>Write based off what he'd said about my experience, collage

0:24:36.760 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>that back, does it flow?

0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:38.480
<v Speaker 3>Does it match?

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Then we'd kind of work out maybe a chorus together,

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 1>and in doing that college this song that sounded like

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>a very intimate song between two people, but it was

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 1>actually from two very separate experiences formed into one song.

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's the way that we've kind of been. And

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 1>so I was used to writing half a song, you know,

0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 1>and sharing it with him and bouncing off him and

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.679
<v Speaker 1>a kind of you know, collaborating in that way. And

0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 1>then so for me writing solo music, it's like, okay,

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to write the beginning, the middle, and

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the end of this story within the song. And that

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>was kind of and I've you know, spoken to all

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 1>of about that, and it's like kind of a new challenge.

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Can I finish this song myself and and like, you know,

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>give it the full meaning. And I've really I've enjoyed that.

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 1>It's been it's been like good to have the space

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to do that and a new challenge. And I've enjoyed

0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 1>in the songs that will come, just being more personal

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>and more open about my sexuality, singing about like I

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 1>love her rather than in the ex sex. We've always

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 1>kept it, you know, intentionally, very universal. We use you,

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>I we they and never hear or she. And I

0:25:48.080 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>think that was you know, that was partly as well

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>feeling a bit more shy about being so open about

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>my sexuality when I was younger. You know, I think

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>now just being older and being more comfortable in my

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 1>own skin, and you know, things have progressed in the

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:06.200
<v Speaker 1>world and I just feel like more happy. I don't

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>know if it's just getting older and caring a bit less,

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:12.120
<v Speaker 1>but just to include that in my songwriting for myself.

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.879
<v Speaker 2>And have Jamie and Oliver have been encouraging along this

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>process of writing your own Solin material. Have they been

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>on hand to sort of sounding boards and there with

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>sort of encouragement and advice.

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh totally, Yeah, they've been. They've been amazing. And it's

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's very much like when Jamie made his solo album.

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>It was very much the same thing. Like it's an

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>extension of him that I just I saw him. It

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 1>was great to watch him like fly off and explore that.

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like they, you know, Oliver and I

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:44.280
<v Speaker 1>were very encouraging of him doing that. And I can

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>really feel that same thing from Oliver and Jamie with me,

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.679
<v Speaker 1>which I'm so grateful for, and you know, I am.

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Jamie worked on some additional production and arrangement of Lifetime.

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>He was very much the sounding board for me with

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>everything with Oliver. I was always playing him things and

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>talking to him about it and it was great.

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>He's like, I sent him the version just before I

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>got mixed. He's like, I really missed that that vocal

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>take you before you really sang it out on the bridge,

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:10.199
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I was like, Oky, yeah, I'm going

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>to put it back in. I'm going to put it

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 1>back in in. You know, these little details and what's

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's nice. It's like Jamie was saying, it's

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 1>just this song sounds so you like in a nice way,

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's I've got like this taste of music which

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>is quite like pop dance, a bit like playful and

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:27.879
<v Speaker 1>it's nice to be able to show a bit more

0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>of that in lifetime and in what's to come.

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:32.480
<v Speaker 2>And I want to ask a little bit about your

0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:36.479
<v Speaker 2>love of DJing and club music and dance music. Am

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I right in thinking? You went to Ibtha for the

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.880
<v Speaker 2>first time last year? Yes? And how did you find

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the experience did did it? Was it what you were

0:27:44.240 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 2>expecting or something different?

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 3>I loved it. We went.

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>I went twice last summer. I went one for once

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>for Oliver's birthday, which was amazing. We got we went,

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Me and Oliver and Jamie and our friends went to

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Pasha for the first time, which was a real which

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 1>was amazing. You know. I think the iconography and the

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>graphics and everything of Pasha, I just like, I love

0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>it and I.

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 3>Was really excited to go.

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 1>And we went to Dixon's night and it was great

0:28:08.760 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>and like the music was, you know, it was really cool,

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and I realized that Dixon doing and there was one

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>of the more like tasteful nights that passion that it

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>was doing at the time. But like I'm all for

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>like quite brush pop dance music anyway, but it was

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>it was, it was amazing.

0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 3>I loved it.

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 1>And then I went back a few months later in

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>August for my birthday. It was both of our thirtieth

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>that year, so I think we were both kind of

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do something fun and I loved I loved

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 1>it so much I decided to go back and I

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 1>went back to Pasha and I saw John Talibot and

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it was Dixon's like again, I saw Rasheen Murphy play

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 1>there and Dixon play. It was amazing, so that you know,

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 1>there was a great lineup that Dixon was putting on.

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And then I went a few days later and I

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>saw Calvin Harris play there, and I think that was

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Pasha in It's In It's Full was what I was

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe more expecting from Pasha, and it was a different crowd,

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>but it was great to see it and it's different versions,

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was still actually so much fun

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a very different, very very different sort

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 1>of set. And I can sort of appreciate both nights

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 1>for what they are. It sort of feels like two

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>sides of my like tastes. Really, it's like I can

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate, you know, the beautiful, like the way that

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>the night progressed of the programming that Dixon had, and

0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.240
<v Speaker 1>like the you know, the subtleties within things. And then

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>there's like the Cowen Harris night where it's like it's

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 1>not about subtlety, it's it's kind of the opposite, but

0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 1>within the songs that he plays, it's a lot about

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:42.280
<v Speaker 1>there is a song. It's not just like it's not

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>like an instrumental club night. You know, it's like people

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>are singing along it's a song, they know the words,

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.120
<v Speaker 1>they're feeling the emotions of it, and there is something

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.440
<v Speaker 1>whether it, you know, it's maybe more brash than I

0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 1>would ever go. There is something I do love about

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 1>that too, and yeah, I had I had a lot

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of fun, But it's you know, I think I'm interested

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in the dream of what Abitha was, what I thought

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it was when I was like twelve and watching it,

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>like you're watching kind of music videos of like club classics,

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know this kind of I had this

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 1>fantasy of Abitha, but I don't know, if you know,

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's been that, or it has ever

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.440
<v Speaker 1>been that. It's this kind of collage of things that

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you kind of project on it from being young and

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>thinking about this place and you know, reading and like

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>seeing clips of like raving there, and like, I don't know,

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I have all of the graphics and all of the

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:35.120
<v Speaker 1>sort of visuals of that, and something I've really become

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>quite fascinated with.

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what it's going to look like when it

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>all comes back, having basically got like a lost year,

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:43.600
<v Speaker 2>like what I befa in that scene, will look like

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.239
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, if it can come back, if

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Yeah, it seems it seems

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 2>like such a strange time for Clubland as well as

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>everything else.

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>No, it really does. I really, I really hope that

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>places can survive. I hope that speaking to friends of

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 1>mine that are DJs that are just feeling a, look,

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a bit despondent that have tried to do the

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, they've done some social distance parties and things

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and they want to keep the you know, keep things going,

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and but it's I know some people are feeling a

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:14.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit edgy about it. So I'm really I'm really

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>hopeful that we can you know, all go back to

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Ibitha and keep the dream alive next year.

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 3>And fingers crossed.

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I really I long for those days like

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>just like being like sweaty in a club with people

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and not feeling like you need to step away. It's

0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>like something that I really I hope. I hope we

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>can all get that too.

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. I went to Ibitha. I've been a couple of times,

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>but I sort of want to go back at this

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 2>age now because when I first went, I was eighteen,

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>and I really didn't I think I was just the

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:48.239
<v Speaker 2>experience was wasted on me. You know, I went and

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>I just wasted is the kind of probably the operative word,

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 2>but it just it just didn't you know, I don't

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>appreciate for what it was. And I went a few

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>years later, and then I think I realized, Yeah, you

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 2>have to go different places to to seek out the

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 2>music that you really love. And I think now, more

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>than a decade on from that, I think if I went,

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 2>i'd go with a much clearer idea of where I

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to go and what I want to hear, because

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting. I was there. I was the one sort

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>of knee deep at the phone party doing that experience. Yeah,

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, catching a sort of fresh as flu

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>after two days and sort of just you know, almost

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>like the Kevin and Perry go larger or in between

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>us or something. I totally ruined my Abeth experience. But yeah,

0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to go back one time. I think it

0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.719
<v Speaker 2>would be I think I would get much more out

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>of the experience.

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Now, totally. I think there's so many different sizes to

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 1>it as well. Like you know, I spent a lot

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>of time out away from the clubs and like just

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>in the nature of it and lots and I went

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 1>to Pikes and Jamie had told me a lot about

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.080
<v Speaker 1>how much you loved Pikes and it was great to

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 1>go there.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>And I went to Pikes. Isn't it fascinating?

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 3>It's incredible.

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>We walked through the gates. Is it For anybody that

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know it. It's the sort of legendary hotel in

0:32:56.160 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Ibetha where George Michael stayed and lots of other people,

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>particularly in the sort of eighties and nineties, and it

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 2>was very famous for place in Abetha to visit. And

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>now it's still quite legendary now. Lots of people go

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 2>there and stay there and there are great parties and

0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.479
<v Speaker 2>things like that, but the place has a has a vibe.

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely.

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.000
<v Speaker 2>We met Tony Pike before he passed away, Oh wow.

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 2>And he was just he was propped up at the

0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>bar with a drink, and my wife and I stood

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>there chatting to him for hours because he was just

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 2>he was this quite sort of legendary figure who just

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>wanted to tell stories. And so you'd be stood at

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the bar and he was basically he'll tell the story

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 2>to whoever's there having a drink with him, basically. But

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget it. It was quite an experience.

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 3>That's amazing.

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>That's the dream experience to actually have Tony Pike right

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>there telling you everything.

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, in terms of the djaying aspect of it.

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you started out DJing when you're young. It

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:51.160
<v Speaker 2>was your first job being a DJ in a bar

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:51.760
<v Speaker 2>in so Home.

0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, technically I think it was so Yeah, that

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of something I never really mentioned before, like

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:01.960
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like the XX and it sort of

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of felt like it's just a separate part of

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 1>my kind of introduction to music. And it was just,

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I started going out and Soho when I

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was about sixteen growing up in London, and I could

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 1>get to Soho on a night bus and luckily I

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.959
<v Speaker 1>could get into like in Soho, there's a few gay

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>clubs that were like places that I really wanted to

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 1>get into and I managed to get in, and it

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 1>was it became like a real sort of community of

0:34:26.880 --> 0:34:28.840
<v Speaker 1>like every Thursday I would go there and I would

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:30.920
<v Speaker 1>see the same people living if I was a bit

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 1>shy to talk to them, and then I you know,

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>I ended up meeting one of my best friends.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 3>There were still best friends.

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And the whole like really, you know, something that I'm

0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>just so grateful for now, that sense of community and

0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I would go all the time, and one I don't

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 1>really know how it came about. You know, we were

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>doing the XX at this time, but you know, playing

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>in small bars and pubs, and it was quite a

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like a definitely wasn't I would say, going

0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 1>amazingly Well, it was just something we were doing. So

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that this DJ set would have been

0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>related to anything with the XX. I think it was

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>simply because I went a lot and this guy that

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>worked there was like, do you want a DJ? I said, well, DJ.

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, yeah, you can. You can always come.

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>I think you'd be could. So he was like, okay,

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just burn some CDs. You fade it in, you fade

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it out, You're fine. And I was like, right, okay,

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>So I really you know, I was like, I really

0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do it. So I went home. I burnt

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>all this music on CDs. I'd been sort of in

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the in the corner sort of observing anyway for like

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>months about like watching the kind of arc of it

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>and how people would you know, react to a song assume,

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you put it on and people knew it,

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>And so I just like burnt all a lot a

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of the songs that I loved and I knew

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the moment you put it on people would instantaneously just

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 1>hands in the air. Oh I love this song, and

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what I've been drawn to anyway. But

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, when I couldn't literally had the technique of

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>failing in and out, these songs that are quite bold

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and recognizable were actually a great tool and that's just

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 1>something I really loved. And so I was playing that,

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like pop dance music, hits like club classics,

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>eighties music like disco, and then at the same time,

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>starting with the XX, making music that was a lot

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 1>more sort of subdued and like it just kind of

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>not as kind of bold, I would say, is what

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I would play out, And that's just a different side

0:36:26.040 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 1>of my taste, I guess. I remember when the XX

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>was started to get some more opportunities, I was asked

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>to do a DJ set after a gig, and I

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>remember I played what I would had been playing, and

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>someone came up to me after us and they were like,

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>is this really what you like? I can't believe that

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.280
<v Speaker 1>you make this music and this is what you're DJing,

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>And they were like really confused and a bit like

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 1>offended I was, and I was a bit like, oh,

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of was a bit you know, I

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:51.440
<v Speaker 1>was really young and I was a bit like, I

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know, it just it just kind of stayed with

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>me and I still kind of I still have done

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 1>more DJing and stuff, but they just felt like two

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>different things at the time. And what's been quite nice

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 1>is that now ten years on or whatever, the music

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm making for myself is very much in line with

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>the music I was playing back then. I've just kind

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 1>of been on a journey, I.

0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Guess, yeah, kind of come full circling.

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does feel like that.

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which there's there's something I actually kind of love

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>about it, the fact that I've come full circle. But yeah,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it's funny when I think about those moments back then.

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:27.240
<v Speaker 2>We talked about your love of songwriting obviously in club music,

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and a bit about I Betha. But one thing I

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask you about was about football because I

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>know football as well, and you were in the campaign

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 2>to launch the England football Kit. Not that yes, are

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>you still playing as well because you play for Whippit's FC,

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>which is that's right local team.

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so football's in the past few years since

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 1>being on the last tour for the XX I came

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>back from touring and I was feeling a little bit

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>like I've been away for about eighteen months, and I

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, what's what's life like in London? What's

0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 1>my routine? Who are my friends? What's you know? And

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 1>some of my best friends were like, okay, we've started

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a women's five side football team.

0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:04.759
<v Speaker 3>You're in it?

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>No, like, you know, come on, let's see it. Every

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>week we're going to go. And I was like, oh wow, okay.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>We'd all been watching the World Cup that summer and

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>got really into it. And I'd been into football a

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>lot when I was a kid, but had sort of

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>moved away from it as i'd been like in my twenties.

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, so we started this team. It's

0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:26.280
<v Speaker 1>we're part of part of a women's league in Hackney

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 1>called Super five League. It's amazing. It's really grown over

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.359
<v Speaker 1>the past few years. And yeah, so I've ended up

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.439
<v Speaker 1>meeting so many amazing girls from this team and kind

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>of finding what I was sort of seeking, you know,

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>is that sense of community. Again, London can be quite

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>lonely and to meet friends, I think as you get

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a bit older, can be a bit weird. You know,

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>you got your friends from when you're younger in school

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But I think I don't know if it's

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>really enjoyed the meeting people again and also being like

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with music, Like nobody really cares on

0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>my team or on the pitch like what I do.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 3>It's more like, you.

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Know, they're like, oh, you defended really well today, and

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm like, great, Okay, that's that's it,

0:39:05.200 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. So I really loved that. And you know,

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>for me then to get a request to be in

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 1>a night campaign to launch the England Kit, I was

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like I got that request and was like you're joking,

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like what.

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 2>What you know?

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, it was just incredibly surreal

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and like just really cool and like a meeting of worlds,

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you know. And it was nice to be there on

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the shoot as like this is Ronny from Whippets FC.

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>It was not this is not Ronny from the XX

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, And and that was quite a cool thing

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 1>in itself and made me proud of our team and

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>that it made an impact in that way. And but yeah,

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>it was amazing the experience you know, it was a

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>really really cool group of people that were a part

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 1>of it and I got to meet Yeah, it was

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>great to meet them, and you know, a weird moment

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>to be able to go into the Nike shop and

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>just see myself there and be part of this this launch.

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I think football now has become you know,

0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>now we've just got told that it's all kind of

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>play in this league. It's been canceled and obviously, but

0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting to play a little bit in between

0:40:11.800 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>these two lockdowns has meant a lot to me. And

0:40:14.920 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 1>watching football is quite an escape for me as well,

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I am quite like a football fan, Like I

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>watch games and I watched the interviews and I just

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, I find it quite entertaining. And also

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the Women's World Cup last year was just an amazing

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>progression in women's football and just felt like so inspiring

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and just made me really excited for women's football and

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>hopefully pushing that on because there is still like a

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>big gap in that, but you know, I feel like

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 1>things are changing and that feels important and exciting.

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:50.919
<v Speaker 2>I actually really missed football when it was away during

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the lockdown, and I've really appreciated it's been great to

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:56.920
<v Speaker 2>see people like Marcus Rashford and raheem Sterling and obviously

0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>like Meghan Rapino and these players over the last few

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 2>years made quite considerable social change, haven't they. Yeah, I

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.720
<v Speaker 2>mean it's it's I think football in that sense has

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 2>played quite an important role in a lot of the

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:11.799
<v Speaker 2>big changes that we're seeing and being really encouraged by that.

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.239
<v Speaker 3>I am no. I love that.

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like they have such a platform to make

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:18.319
<v Speaker 1>some changes and like I think, yeah, Meghan Rappino, like

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just so inspiring and I loved yeah, exactly, Marcus Rashford,

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 1>where heem Sterling, They're just doing such good things. I

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>really like a play called Hector Bellerin as well, who's

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:30.080
<v Speaker 1>got a podcast that I've been listening to.

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Has he I've not listened to that. I need to

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 2>do that.

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's it's great.

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Actually he talks he's vegan, and he really he believes

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:42.200
<v Speaker 1>in like you know, he's very eco conscious and he

0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 1>has like started an incentive to plant trees when Arsenal

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>win matches, and you know, he's like he talks to

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he talks to a range of people about like mental

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>health and like racism and veganism and like stuff that

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't really I just like that he's got like

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 1>a voice and wants to talk to people about more

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>than football.

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 3>It's called more than actually, so.

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I've been telling people about that podcast, but I really

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It feels like they have got such

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.120
<v Speaker 1>a big platform and people really look up to them

0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and like in a very different way to I think

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to musicians.

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:13.760
<v Speaker 3>It's football is just huge.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>They have a lot of power, and I think my

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 1>dream is, like I hope that we can get to

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a place like Megan Rappino being so open about her sexuality.

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just so important and amazing. And if in the

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 1>men you know, in men's football, if there can be

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 1>a bit more openness about like sexuality, like that would

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>be a dream of mine. But who knows if that's you.

0:42:35.560 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Know, I feel like, yeah, I mean, we've been saying

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 2>it for a while when it's kind of like it's

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 2>only amount of time, But yeah, I hope it happens soon,

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 2>because it does feel like in the last eighteen months

0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 2>maybe a little bit longer, yeah, that the footballers have

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>felt able to be a bit more open and maybe

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>just you know, I mean I know where they take

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot of rahem. Sterling in particular took so much

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 2>horrendous criticism when he's spoken out about racism in football,

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's it's important, like they make it like

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 2>his voice and their voices collectively are the ones that

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.319
<v Speaker 2>happen to make progress. So totally does happen soon.

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 3>Totally.

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Final thing I was going to ask you was just

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:13.240
<v Speaker 2>about twenty twenty, like and just what you've been listening

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 2>to and what you'll take away from it, because I think,

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>because it's been such a memorable and strange and possibly

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>difficult year, that the sort of music I've been listening

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>to is left quite a sort of indelible mark, as

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I will always remember that this was the music that

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I loved in twenty twenty, and those records have been big,

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 2>euphoric pop records. I love the Dua liber album this year.

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I really like the Lady Gaga album from So I'm.

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 3>Glad you said that was about I was going to

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 3>say that one.

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so good, I mean yeah, and the way it

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 2>opens with that incredible string section. Yeah, if there are

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>any releases from this year that you will think that

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 2>in I don't know, five years time when things look

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 2>a bit different, that you'll be like, that's the album,

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the track that's that reminded me of twenty twenty.

0:43:55.400 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's funny that you say Lady Gaga, because

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 1>I would say that that particular album, Chromatica, coming out

0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of lockdown was a real just a

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 1>real like pleasure to have a bit of a gift,

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I've noticed that I've just gravitated to

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>music that kind of makes me feel you know, it's

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a sense of escapism within the sense that it's like

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>things have been pretty heavy, and like, you know, I've

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>been pretty glued to the news and as everyone has,

0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and to just have some like pop like dance music

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 1>that is just really ephoic and uplifting and I can

0:44:32.920 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>just turn off all the lights and just dance in

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.320
<v Speaker 1>my kitchen is actually the thing that I've really really

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.719
<v Speaker 1>craved and well, I don't know, I just reached a

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>point I think where I was like, oh, I'm just

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>so like stressed and like freaked out by everything. Was

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I think I just need to dance, even if it's

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>just me and my girlfriend in the kitchen with the dog.

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Like that felt like a release, and so I think

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I'll always remember that Gargo album for that. And I

0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.880
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even say a specific track. It's like the whole

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>thing has been with me as a journey. But I

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>really like the song Alice. I think it's just like

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 1>a really good It's just a really solid song. Oliver's

0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 1>favorite one is Replay and he called me and he

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, Rommie, you need to make music like this.

0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 1>It needs to be like this. I was like, you know,

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I loved that, and I was like, I'll do my best,

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I think that's for me. With Lifetime,

0:45:23.200 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 1>the song I put out, you know I've made that

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>for that was made in Lockdown in a time when

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>I was in my room, very still craving the pace

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:36.680
<v Speaker 1>of the outside world and connection and the euphoria of

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>clubbing and everything and having none of it. And I

0:45:39.440 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>guess I just tried to create that for myself when

0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I was missing it. And my dream was a you know,

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 1>it will come out and we'll all be able to

0:45:45.800 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 1>be together and hear it in a club, and that

0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>wasn't really the case, and you know, I was a

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>bit worried. I was like, is it insensitive to put

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>out this music at this time, you know, it was

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:58.440
<v Speaker 1>just overthinking it maybe. And the biggest compliment I got

0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>was from people sending me messages and saying to me

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.919
<v Speaker 1>in person, like I really needed to hear that song.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 3>It just cheered me up.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>It made me feel like like you know, the energy

0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.720
<v Speaker 1>of it just really like brightened my day or whatever,

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and like that was that was that was beautiful to

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>me because that's all I was trying to do, just

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>for myself as well, and so if if people can

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>get that from that, I'm super glad.

0:46:20.239 --> 0:46:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, here's to dancing in our kitchen and our pets.

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.080
<v Speaker 2>It's what it's going to get us through.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, good night,