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Speaker 1: Family attorney, child support activists Cassandra Daniels, Hey, y'all, hey,

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Speaker 1: but like, like, explain this dichotomy of being a family

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Speaker 1: and all my faults. And I shouldn't be soldly responsible

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Speaker 1: Because the money comes out of the man's pocket. The

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Speaker 1: loan to figure out what happened? Well, so my father,

426
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: my father was married at four children, and then he

427
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: divorced and married my mother and he had four children.

428
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: So it's is eight of us total four with my

429
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: mom and dad. So I'm second with my mom and

430
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: dad six in the total weight. So how is growing

431
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: up in your household? And what did you were you?

432
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: I guess you were pretty shop in school? Were you

433
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: always shop in school? Or no? I'm an average student.

434
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: I was always an average student when I was in

435
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: law school. My motto was I'm gonna see my way

436
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: out of here. I wasn't. I wasn't trying to win

437
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: no awards, to be on nobody list. I just wanted

438
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: to get out, you know, from you got a degree.

439
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: Can't nobody what they're gonna do. Challenge me because I

440
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: gotta see you in torts, you or whatever. I got

441
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 1: my j d um. But no, I knew I'm a

442
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: peak So I grew up in the preacher's home, um,

443
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: and I knew I was lucky enough to just know

444
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: early on what I wanted to do. It's very challenging.

445
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: It's hard for young young people to try to figure

446
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: out that one path they want to take for their life.

447
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: But I knew. Yeah. So I knew in the seventh

448
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: grade that I wanted to be a lawyer. And I

449
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: never changed my mind. I never changed my mind about that.

450
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: At that time, I didn't know I wanted to be

451
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: a family lawyer. Lawyer. I just ended up in family law.

452
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: But I knew I wanted to be a lawyer because

453
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: I always was. I was. I would always say back then,

454
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: people get screwed because they don't know their rights. So

455
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I liked the advocacy part for part of being a lawyer.

456
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: That that's what attracted me, and so I just never

457
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: changed my mind. I ended up in family law because

458
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: out of undergrad my first job in the law office

459
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: was in the family law office. I was doing their billing,

460
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: and then I just because I was in a family

461
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: law office, I picked up on family law stuff, and

462
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: I just stayed in family law. So when I went

463
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: to law school and graduated past the bar, I'd already

464
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: been doing the work as a paralegal for other lawyers.

465
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'll just hang my own shingle

466
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: and do it for myself. How many times to take

467
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: you to past the bar? One time at the game.

468
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how big of a deal that was.

469
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: But I know a lot of people that that's that.

470
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: It's been a challenge for that. So I'm fortunate enough

471
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: to be able to that. I was able to kill

472
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: it the first time. Yeah, perfectly, Yeah, I killed it.

473
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: And that's your being a law Why it was that

474
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: I never want to do nothing else. If I was

475
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: if I wasn't doing law, if there was anything else

476
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: that I would want to do and I would love

477
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: doing it would be Instagram mother. Now I would be

478
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: like singing somewhere. I would have a band and like

479
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: just be singing. Can you say, I don't think you

480
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: don't do that? Why are you saying that? Why? Why

481
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: are you discourage me from my dreams. I can hold

482
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: a tune anything, anything, I don't sing for free, go

483
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: to your favorite I don't you're not give something. This

484
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: is the moment when I mean, you said, you said

485
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: if I wasn't, if I wasn't a lawyer, I sing.

486
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: So I mean, just anything proved to us that you

487
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: could have made I don't. Yeah, I will you. I

488
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: don't want I'm not saying that I would have made it.

489
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, this is what I want to. This

490
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: is what I want, lawyer, I show. But I grew

491
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: I grew up singing in the church, right. I was

492
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: the musician at my church. I was the praise and

493
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: worship leader at my church. And I enjoyed it. I

494
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: absolutely loved singing. I still sing now, like to myself.

495
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know. So why why why didn't you

496
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: grow up and get into the family business, UM ministry. Yeah,

497
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: that's a great question. UM, To be quite honest with you,

498
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: if my father hadn't passed Um, I probably would uma

499
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: passed when my dad passed. Um, I was eighteen when

500
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I got married, so he married at Yeah. So when

501
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: I was twenty when he passed, I just I just

502
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: turned twenty when he passed. Mm hmmm. Yeah. So I

503
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: was the last one of his daughters that he walked

504
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: down now wo yeah, but had he not passed, I

505
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: would have. Um. The gentleman that I married was a minister. Um,

506
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: he your divorce right. And she said the gentleman that

507
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I that's respect that that that said something about you

508
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: to be able to say that, because a lot of

509
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 1: gentle a lot of people are better, you know, after

510
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: they know he's top down on that exit. We at

511
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: that moment like I've been divorced now for almost ten years,

512
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: and believe me, we had Oh god, I acted bad

513
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: at what has acted? Bad man? Man? Bad? Just know

514
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: I acted bad man when we when we separated, and

515
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: because when we separate it I put him out and

516
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: put him. I put him out of his house, of

517
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: his house. I put him out, and he left. He

518
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: left our house and he moved in with this girl

519
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: that he was working with. And he ain't never left.

520
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: He'd been he still that right, web for thirteen years.

521
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good that's a good run. I give

522
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: it a good show. Yeah, remember years. But I acted bad,

523
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: So what does it acted bad mean? I tried to

524
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: amaze him. I remember, you scratched his carb? I probably did.

525
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: I remember. The one thing that stands out in my mind.

526
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember what happened. I burned up all his clothes,

527
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: like I took all his clothes out of the closet.

528
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: I did one of those waiting to excel things, put

529
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: them all in the backyard and burned up. Yeah, but

530
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: then I remember, I don't know what happened while I

531
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: was so mad, but I knew he was gonna be

532
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: in South Houston, South Park, as his people used to

533
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: live off re wrote, and I was on the north side.

534
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: And I remember driving all the way over to his

535
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: mama's house, and I was posted up down the street.

536
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: Why was I posted up? Was posted up down the street?

537
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: It was just me. I was posted up down the street,

538
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: and I had his mama's his mama house in my

539
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: eye view, and I saw him pull up with another woman.

540
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I'm trying to remember why

541
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: I was even wild and all like that, but I

542
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: pulled up. It caused the whole scene. I remember his

543
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: mama coming outside. I caused the whole scene. That would

544
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: have been dope, though like I was blowing the fact

545
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: I was looking at it. I was just like I

546
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: would have been. That would have been good for the story,

547
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: though not like like most of the time when when

548
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: women act like that would dudes because they did some

549
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: ship before? Did you do some ship? I wasn't mad

550
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: at him because he was with that girl. I was,

551
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, my anger with him and the

552
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: times that I acted out was because when he left,

553
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: he just left. He wasn't paying child support. Lord, he

554
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: wasn't helping our financially, and that that those were the

555
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: things that just made me angry. Did he did you

556
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: kick him out? Yeah? But your kids are still there,

557
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: so you want you want to kick him out and

558
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: making you want to come big, come back exactly what

559
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: the money at? Because I gotta take care of these kids.

560
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: And that's why I say, I understand how about the

561
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: child being a child, because there's a difference between I

562
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: think that there is nothing wrong with requiring someone to

563
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: support their children financially. Fine, but you don't have to

564
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: go through the goddamn powers that be to do that. Unfortunately,

565
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: you're you're right, But unfortunately that's sometimes it's the only

566
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: option because somebody may not. Sometimes that's not sometimes because

567
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: you may have Sometimes you may have an agreement. Okay,

568
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna we don't need to go to support. I'm

569
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna give you money. Okay, he agrees, he gonna give

570
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: you two hundred dollars. Then he's skipping out on the money.

571
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: He don't he's not paying, but the bills keep coming

572
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: every month, and he funny with the money. So now

573
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: you got you don't have a choice but to go

574
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: to the people and put him on child support because

575
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: they're gonna make sure he pay every month. So I

576
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: get it, ladies, I get it. I totally get it,

577
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: but I think it's wrong when you got situations where

578
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: like my guy, he wasn't the father, or I got

579
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: another client. He worked in all in Gas. He had

580
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: a child support order based on what he was making

581
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: at that time, which was good money. He lost his job.

582
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: He needed a modification. So when you lose your job,

583
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: they don't automatically change your child shopart obligation. Not just

584
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: lose your job. But like I know ball players that

585
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: their child shop work was based on what they were

586
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: what they were getting when they were playing ball. They're

587
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: not playing ball no more. The money is not coming

588
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: in the same, but they still on the hook for

589
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: the same amount they can't afford it. Wouldn't it be

590
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: easy if they just dropped it down like they made

591
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: the law, like based on a percentage as opposed to

592
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: a hard number. That that way. So if it's a percentage,

593
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: then if I got just like you automatically take money

594
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: out of my my, my, my, my, my pa, my

595
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: pay check, you know that money could automatically be calculated

596
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: when when you see a drop, you only get in.

597
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: You only get what that number is that I bring in. Period.

598
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: So if I if so, if I'm making you know,

599
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: ten thousand a month, and then you know and you're

600
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: get that's two thousand, right, So if if that if

601
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: that ten thousand drops down to five thousand, you know,

602
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: then we're talking what is that a thousand dollars money? Right?

603
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: And and that that should automatically I don't have that.

604
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: They don't have the um they're not compassionate in the state. Well,

605
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: here's the thing, I absolutely agree with you, and that's

606
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: a part of what I'm proposing, the change that I'm proposing. Okay,

607
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: So there's there's something called the Child Support Incentive Child Support,

608
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Child Support Performance and Incentive Act, right, and it pays money,

609
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: incentive money incentive payments to the states based on their

610
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: level of performance in four to five categories. I couldn't

611
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: think of the fifth one last night, and those categories

612
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: are the establishment of fraternity collection, I'm sorry, establishment of

613
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: child support orders, collections of child child support and collections

614
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: of arrears and something else I can't think of the

615
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: fifth one. And so what I've proposing is an amendment

616
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: to that Act where they would add as a fifth

617
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: or sixth um measurement modifications, because that's what we're talking about, right,

618
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: If you have a change in your circumstances, you need

619
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: that previous order modified. And it should be automatic, right,

620
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: not automatic, And maybe maybe I don't know if it

621
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: can be automatic in the sense of they detect that

622
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: there's a decrease in your pay and they automatically do it.

623
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: But it absolutely needs to be easily accessible. He needs

624
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: to be easily accessible. I should be able to just

625
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: like my baby mama can just call the Office of

626
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: Attorney General and be like, yeah, this is the baby

627
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: daddy and I need child support, and they pick up

628
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: the ball from there, up I will go. A payer

629
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: of child support should be able to pick up the phone,

630
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: call the Office of Attorney and Journal and say look,

631
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: I lost my job or it's COVID and I've been furloughed,

632
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and that that's all that needs to happen. The Office

633
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: of Attorney General will pick up the ball to do

634
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: the modification. Just as they are quick about establishing fraternity,

635
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: establishing child support, they need to be just and enforcements.

636
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: They need to be just as quick and automatic about

637
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: doing modifications because that's what's messing people up. That's what's

638
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: causing people. So if you lose your job and you're

639
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: still on the hook for paying a month and you

640
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: ain't got that kind of money coming in, now you're

641
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: in arrears. Now those aggressive collection measures are implemented. You

642
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: can't leave the country, all this stuff. They're taking your

643
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: tax returns, all those things, when all of that could

644
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: be alleviated by just simply making modifications easily, more easily

645
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: and readily available and provided through the Office of Attorney General.

646
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Currently you pretty much gotta go. Hi, you're a lawyer.

647
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: If you lost your job, how are you gonna pay

648
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: for a lawyer to get a modification? You know what

649
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean? Is there any time that you feel like

650
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: a client or a potential client may not need your

651
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: services and they can handle that themselves. In regards to

652
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: child support, that's a great question. That's a great question

653
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: the businesswoman and me. The business woman and me wants

654
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: to say, no, you always need a lawyer. There's nothing

655
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: you can do on your own because now you're cutting

656
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: into my revenuence, right. But but I'll be honest about it. Um.

657
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: When it comes down to child support, a lot of

658
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: stuff is done through the Office of Attorney General. And

659
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: again they don't represent you. They don't represen as mom,

660
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, you can come in there without

661
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: a lawyer. I don't advise it though. I just don't

662
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: advise it because you need somebody they're protecting your interests

663
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: as a non lawyer. There are some things you're just

664
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: not gonna know, you know. Like one of my clients,

665
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: he's got a child support order right now, that's so crazy.

666
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: They gave they said it's child support. He don't know

667
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: why they said it the way they did. He just

668
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: agreed to it. He's like, I don't know what they

669
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: got those numbers from, Like what you didn't You didn't

670
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: ask the right questions. You didn't you didn't ask, You

671
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: just signed off on it. So that's why I think

672
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: that it's important for you to go down. Can you

673
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: go down and do it without the lord? Yeah? But

674
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: is it a good idea though? Because no one's protecting

675
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: your interests, no one, no one who knows the right

676
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: questions to ask are asking those questions. No one that's saying, Okay, no,

677
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: we don't agree to that, because I know we don't

678
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: have to agree to that. No one is there doing that,

679
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I think they should have

680
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: like um court appointed child supporting attorneys in the Training

681
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: General's office. You get one, you get one, you get

682
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: an enforcement issue. If it's an enforcement like if they're saying, oh,

683
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: you haven't been paying your child support, it's an enforcement

684
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: case because those are quasi criminal. You can be sent

685
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: to jail for that and then this criminal's criminal contempt. Um.

686
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: They will appoint an attorney for you if you cannot,

687
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: if you're indigent, if you can't afford one. But if they,

688
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: if they accept my proposal, and they and they make

689
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: modifications a part of the thing that's a priority and

690
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: of the services that they provide, then people won't really

691
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: need lawyers. They would just like I said before, it'd

692
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: be that phone call that they would make, the Office

693
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: of Attorney General, would do everything else, would initiate the case,

694
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: all of that, because all they would need to do

695
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: is is initiate the case. Asked for his financials, asked

696
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: for the proof that there's been a change in your income.

697
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: How much you're making now? Okay, now we based child

698
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: support on what you're making now. So I had to

699
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: look it up real quickly. I was trying to remember

700
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: who may who said this quote a man who is

701
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: his own lawyer as a fool for a client. You know,

702
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: that's pretty pretty Abraham Lincoln, he is sucking? Is that

703
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia? Is that? Wikipedia is everywhere? But Abraham Lincoln

704
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: said that. But you know, I just want to make sure.

705
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, even a broken clocks right once

706
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: twice a day, right, so just because the truth, don't

707
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: care who tell it? Right? So, I mean, but that

708
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: is the truth in my opinion. I just don't think

709
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. There are are some things that

710
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: family law you can do for yourself, like a divorce case,

711
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: Like if you and your and your spouse y'all have

712
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: an agreement, y'all both want to be divorced, you don't

713
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: have a bunch of property. Or if y'all just have

714
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: an agreement, everything is laid out in y'all agreement. You

715
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: don't need a lawyer for that, and you can go online.

716
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: They got the forms and stuff you can fill out,

717
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but but yeah, but if you have

718
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: a situation where you you're on trial for double murder,

719
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: did you see that one guy? Yeah, if you see

720
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: the evidence will show show that I did not kill her,

721
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: like y'all said I killed her something. He watched too

722
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: much Madlock. He did too much TV. They would have

723
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: gave my lawyer. I find myself at in the middle

724
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: of the night watching Madlock. Look Madlock, don't sleep on Madlock? Now, okay,

725
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: they should put at the bottom of the television man.

726
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Who would like some of your inspirations growing up in

727
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: terms of law? Well, that's a great question and interesting answer.

728
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: Nobody I didn't like you knew you like Johnny Cochrane though,

729
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: oh well, yeah, like during the o J I thought

730
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I was Johnny Cochrane and I wouldn't even know lawyer

731
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: like damn during the o J trial, you know that

732
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: was interesting. But the crazy thing is like I didn't

733
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: idolize any lawyer's I wasn't like that little girl that

734
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: was like looking at all the court shows growing up,

735
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: like I just wanted. I don't know where the idea

736
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: of being a lawyer came from, not even Judge Judy

737
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: or none of that. No, I didn't really Judge. She

738
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: was something I did Judy. I really didn't get caught

739
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 1: up in that Judy entertainment strictly entertainment. All those court

740
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: shows are just strictly entertainment in my opinion. Yeah, but

741
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: what not all when I watched Judge Mathis, you know,

742
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I watched dude that he come with conviction. He really

743
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: he lost his my daddy. I've been seeing the stuff

744
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: on ball Alert when he like going off the cup

745
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: time about stuff, right, who George Judge Mathis, No, you

746
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: ain't talking about JD. You're talking about Somebut you got

747
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: to figure out the other black judge, the Black Maire

748
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: Judge Black skin. Yeah, what's his name? Let me google

749
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: that round. Hey, Siri, who Judge? That's going crazy? I

750
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: do not understand. That's Judge Brown. Oh it's Joe Brown.

751
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: What's going on with him? But the thing about it

752
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 1: is that like Joe Joe Brown. No, the thing about

753
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: it is that he's just he's just the type of

754
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: cat that he's uncompromised, you know. And and see, this

755
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: is when we're not used to We're not used to hear. No,

756
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't clearly I don't have a relationship with him,

757
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: but you hear what I said to him. But but here,

758
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: that ain't the point, bro. The point is. I mean,

759
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: you're a friend of mine. But you know what I'm saying,

760
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: The truth is the truth. If you're speaking the truth,

761
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: you're speaking the truth. The problem. The thing is is

762
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: that you know, like us, oftentimes, you know, people are

763
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: not used to people speaking candidly, people that are not bought,

764
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: people that stand for something, and even when our opinions

765
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: are unpopular, Uh, it's still our truth. And people are

766
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: not used to that. They're used to people complying and

767
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: being politically correct and and and being afraid to speak.

768
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: Judge Joe Brown is not afraid to speak on what

769
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: he believed to be the truth. And whether you agree

770
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: with him or not, to me, to hear a black

771
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: man speak like that in such a way that he's

772
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: not afraid of the establishment, he's not afraid of the

773
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: dominant society. He don't care about all of these social

774
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: construction constructions, constructs. He ain't tripping on all of that

775
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: he's speaking. And so you're not gonna agree with everything

776
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: he said. Obviously he's not gonna agree. The reason why

777
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: he sounds like he is to some people, he sounds

778
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: unhinged because that's what the truth due to you. The

779
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,959
Speaker 1: truth would make you sound like a radical. The truth

780
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: would make you sound like a radical when you're just

781
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: being a human. Well, you know, when you when you

782
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: when you give him that little explanation, it just makes

783
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: me think about Trump because that's exactly what we don't

784
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: speak the truth. Where you can do that, you can

785
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: speak the truth, you can speak you can speak the

786
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: truth and all of that stuff. And that's fine that

787
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: Trump speaks the truth. My sister speaks the truth, but

788
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't vote for as president. I wouldn't want her

789
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: to be the president. Can you respect him? And his truth.

790
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: I don't respect nothing about Donald Trump. Donald Trump, Donald

791
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: Trump is a sucker. The difference between him and Joe

792
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Brown is that Joe Brown, Joe Brown loves his people.

793
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: He loved black people, and Trump don't. Well that's Trump

794
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: that I don't think people don't. I really don't. I

795
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think he loved white people because

796
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: if he did, he wouldn't put them in these types

797
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: of these compromising positions like that ride at the Yeah,

798
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do that. And when he and when he

799
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: when he basically sicked them on the United States, and

800
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: when he sicked them on the United States, he was like, yo, man,

801
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm with And then

802
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: when they went out there to do it, Trump was

803
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: hitting the opposite direction. And then they never called him

804
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: and while it was happening, he never called him off.

805
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: The dude is not now we love you that guy. Yeah,

806
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: that dude, ain't he ain't right? Man? Ain't that something

807
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I will never forget? You know? They talked about where

808
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: were you when Kennedy was shotting Malta Ki? Where were

809
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: you when they ride when they on the Capital? Man,

810
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, be right. I cannot be. This

811
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: cannot be what I'm saying with my own eyes. Why

812
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: does why does the Senate refuse to put that that

813
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: committee in place to really check it out. Man. It's

814
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: so crazy, man, And it's and it's really happened. They

815
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: running for their lives, running from these people, but it

816
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: never really happened. But it's so crazy. It's it's such

817
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: a slap in the face of those law enforcement officers

818
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: that were there that we're trying to protect. You know.

819
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 1: They want to put that guy that shot that chick.

820
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: They want him, they want him a charge. He shot

821
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: that lady and killed him, the one I was trying

822
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: to get in the well? What was the how was

823
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: the room? It's after the fact, man, I was. I

824
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: was just sitting there and such discussed watching it happened,

825
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: and I said, this is white privilege. This is white privilege.

826
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: Where where is the black Black Lives matter matter? Tear

827
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: gas and all the stuff they was using on the

828
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: Black lives matter? I know, y'all got some o left.

829
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: And then when they came out with new laws that

830
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: same night. There was some stuff yesterday man that was

831
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: mind blowing y'all about Um about slave patrol. Yeah, yeah,

832
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: that's the that's what the slave patrol to pull least,

833
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: and how how they how it started. Not only that,

834
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: but like they don't they don't do that too. It's

835
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: it's only for black people, Like I gotta pull this

836
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: up to y'all, go ahead and let me find it

837
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: because it's only for black people, Like the police is

838
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 1: only for black people. Mm hmm. That's what I read,

839
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: like it's only for the slaves. Well, you ain't got

840
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: to read that to know that exists. All you gotta

841
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: do it's just watch how they move and watch how

842
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: they deal with people, watch how they deal with us

843
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: versus others. Yeah, if you look at the origin, if

844
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: you trace it back to its origin, right, you trace

845
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: it back to his origin, And absolutely I think it

846
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: is it's aligned with what you're talking about. Um yeah,

847
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the origin of it. So

848
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of um, it kind of makes

849
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: sense that what we see today it still has those

850
00:49:50,239 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: remnants from the genesis. It's genesis. You know. How do

851
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: you feel about then that many lawyers get just over

852
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: all the culture of law, what people feel that lawyers

853
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: are crooks, and liars, and you know, people as long

854
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: as you shoot them a dollar, you know, yeah, they're

855
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: holly for a dollar. Yeah, that we do have that reputation,

856
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: don't we. Well, I mean, it is what it is.

857
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: And too, you know, I heard not to cut you off,

858
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: but I did hear that the lawyers and then and

859
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: the judges were in cahoots in general. Yeah, well answer

860
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: that question first and then come back. Well, it is

861
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, it's a stereotype, right, No,

862
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: No different than a stereotype that they have for black people,

863
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: No different than the stereotype that they have for black women,

864
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: for women in general. So there's a stereotype raps. Right.

865
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: Arguably there is a little bit of truth in every stereotype, right,

866
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 1: I think, so there's a little you there's a little

867
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: bit of okay when um, so, I don't have a

868
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: problem with it is what it is. I just accepted, like,

869
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: it ain't me, you know, I don't you know, I

870
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: don't do what I do for the money. The money comes,

871
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: but it's not what motivates me. It's not what motivates

872
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: me at all. Mr Crump's case, I work pro bono.

873
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: Now I had to stop doing this because I I

874
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: if someone came to me and they didn't have the resources,

875
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: and I saw that they really needed help, I would

876
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: extend myself and I'd be like, Okay, I got you

877
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: for free ten times out of ten, and I have

878
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: been screwed. No, lie, ten times out of ten that

879
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: I have done that, I have been screwed. The person

880
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: has not appreciated what I've done. It has just not

881
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: worked out. Yeah. So what I started doing was I said, Okay,

882
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: I gotta they gotta have some skin in the game.

883
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: They gotta be able to pay me something because I

884
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: need them to be invested in this because this they

885
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: life my mine. So with Mr Crump, that's basically what

886
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: I did. He paid me. He paid me some money.

887
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: You pay me a portion, not not what I would

888
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: normally request. And then I said, Okay, I got you,

889
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: and I don't. I didn't get paid for the bulk

890
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: of his case. I don't. I don't get paid for

891
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: any of the stuff that I'm doing, um, promoting his case.

892
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, what about taking that portion and then

893
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: after the case is resolved give it backulous I haven't

894
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: been a spent about it. I'm going back and get

895
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: it from Sacks. Listen, listen, I'm just talking, well, what

896
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: what what I'm what I'm doing that what I'm what

897
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm doing is like like I'm just looking at the

898
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: angles here like so I'm listen, I'm about I'm about

899
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: my paper. You know, I love my people and I

900
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: love the community, and I do give as a I

901
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: think that all of us. I think, uh service is

902
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: the greatest like gift that you can give to the world. Service.

903
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: But there has to be a balance, and so you

904
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: can't just be running around here just doing everything for free,

905
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: because then you're gonna be asking for somebody. You're gonna

906
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: be You're gonna become a beggar. Yeah, it's and it's

907
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 1: hard because, like I said, for me, I'm not motivated

908
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: by the money. So like, um, it's hard for me

909
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm having a conversation with somebody and

910
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: you know, I see what they really really really need

911
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: help and they can't afford it. The one guy, Um,

912
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean I took this case. What what why do

913
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 1: you do that you don't believe money? I mean, the

914
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: money comes, the money comes, I don't have to It's

915
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: kind of like what you're saying is that money is

916
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: not your primary No, it's not the focus. It's not

917
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: the focus. I don't. I don't, that's not that's not

918
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: the focus. I didn't go to law school for them.

919
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean the money is a as a perk, it's

920
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: a perk, But that's not my motivator. You know what

921
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Does that make sense? It's a motivator, but

922
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: not your primary motivation. Maybe that's because the question is

923
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: for me if you were not going to get paid

924
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: at all with a little sick Absolutely, if you do something,

925
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: if you do something for money, you'll never have none.

926
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: But if you do it because you love it, you'll

927
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: never be without it. Who said that, Brad Jordan's Well,

928
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. Man. Listen, when I was

929
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: a cook for Kentucky friend, I was a cook for

930
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: a business broke into a Kentucky frog. I think that's probably.

931
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: First of all, that was not a Kentucky friends. Secondly,

932
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: that was allegedly allegedly happening on to a Kentucky frien.

933
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: You don't understand what I said. I said first and

934
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: five most allegedly start bringing up pass Now it's cool

935
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: he could bring up pass stuff. I mean you know,

936
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: I got to cover it. I mean, you know, in

937
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: statue of limitations and stuff like that, and I ain't

938
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: tripping on that, but I guess my my point here

939
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: is that I uh, I did not love cooking chicken.

940
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I cooked it out of necessity to I can so

941
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: I could get a check. So you you were saying that,

942
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you love what you do, you always

943
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: have money. I had. I was you never got money.

944
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: Well the reason that I was with I was with

945
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: money was because I was a cook. No what, No,

946
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: there was nothing else. I was doing something that I

947
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: did not love, but I was doing what I had

948
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: to do until I could do what I wanted to do.

949
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: So right now, I'm you know, I'm sitting here, you know,

950
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: and and and you know, having a conversation with an

951
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: attorney and floor shirt you got on looking good, just

952
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: sitting here having a conversation with an attorney. Cassandra Daniels

953
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: and and Brad Jorge. You know, this is this is

954
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: this life is good man. You gotta do is keep

955
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: on waking up, keep on waking up. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

956
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: The money is always a motivator, whether or not. The

957
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: question is if it's your primary motivator. I agree. I

958
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that. But there

959
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: are some cases that money for me, that money is

960
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: not the motivator, Like the one case w my guy,

961
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: Oh God, he lost his job and only guess like

962
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: they was he was getting unemployment. They were taking just

963
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: about all of his unemployment. Like he was really struggling

964
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: financially because most of his money was going to pay

965
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: out y'all support and he needed a lawyer. The other lady,

966
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: the mom on the other side, she had to the

967
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: money to pay a lawyer to litigate it. We went

968
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 1: all the way to trialing that on that issue. Nobody

969
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: else would have did what idea for him. Nobody else

970
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: would have done that. I worked that case for free.

971
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I worked it for free. He when he initially hired me,

972
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: he had money. He ran out, and what was I

973
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: supposed to drop him? Well, how did he appreciated? Now?

974
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: He is the only one and he knows it. He

975
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: is the only one of the people that I've extended

976
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: myself in that way that has actually appreciated it. He

977
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: said to me, I will work for you. I will

978
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: work for you to pay off whatever it is that

979
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: he does. I'll have him come in and you know,

980
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: do some administrative stuff for me, review my discovery things

981
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: like that. Even still this case is yeah, his case

982
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: is done and he still works for me. Even now

983
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: he could he could have chunked dudes and been like

984
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm out. So I respect him. I respect him, but

985
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: he's the only one everybody else. And I think that

986
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: since this UH podcast is is UM on such a

987
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: big level, on such a big platform, I think that

988
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: you should tell people how to get in contact with

989
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: you because I noticed his tons of men out there

990
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: that's going through the same ship that your clients are

991
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: going through, you know what I mean, They would love

992
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: to have somebody that represented them, that understood what was

993
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: really happening to them most definitely. So yeah, they can

994
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: call my office. My number is three four six seven

995
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: zero three one to three four six seven zero three

996
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: one to three four and your Instagram, so Instagram is

997
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: h was right, Willie. My instagram is at the Daniels

998
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: Law Firm p LC underscores and then you can go

999
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: to my website that's www dot the Daniels Law Firm

1000
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: dot com. Th and then rocket mind what's her stuff?

1001
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: You know? So her website is UM the child support

1002
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: hustle dot com. Um, I don't want to give out

1003
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: her number because I don't know if that but that's

1004
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: definitely And then she's also on Instagram. Let just know

1005
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: y'all working together on Yeah, I really want to have

1006
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: this bullcrap that's going on. I really want to have

1007
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: her on. Let me find her, Ina, I need to

1008
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: put her in here too. Yes, I might need to

1009
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: have another sit down to a partner one thing, so

1010
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: absolutely we can bring both of them back. Instagram is

1011
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: the child support hustle, the child support hustle, She's she's

1012
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: forever posting information stories. UM, definitely follow her. She has

1013
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: been m fighting for this for a very long time.

1014
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: And I'm just lending um my voice, M my my

1015
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: education might know how my abilities UM to partner with

1016
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: her because again, like, ain't no since to me reinventing

1017
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: the will and trying to go off and do my

1018
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: own thing when this sister has been fighting to fight.

1019
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? We other than one as

1020
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: they say, Yeah, I wanted to ask you about your family.

1021
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: How often do you get family members that come to

1022
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: you trying to get pro boned or action. Um, I've

1023
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: made it very clear to my family that I don't

1024
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: offer free services unless you are my my dad's siblings,

1025
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: like my my aunts and uncles. If they if they

1026
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: come to me, they don't pay. They don't pay anybody else.

1027
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: They gotta pay. Now. I do this for all of

1028
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: my clients, and I end up doing this for a

1029
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: lot of my family that come to me. I end up,

1030
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe not building them for certain things.

1031
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, I don't just hear them like I would.

1032
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't just build them like I would normally build.

1033
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: I'll give them a break here and they're on some

1034
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: things and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you though,

1035
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: want to make man he charged us for everything. People

1036
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: don't understand that, man I wrote, I wrote your name

1037
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: down with a pencil, and I'm gonna need like right. People.

1038
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: People don't understand that that's how lawyers works. If they

1039
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: we build by the we build our hourly rates. We

1040
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: build them. Yeah, I build like a lot of tourneys,

1041
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: building fifteen minute increments. So that means that if I

1042
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: send an email or if I respond to an email

1043
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: and man taking me two minutes, but I'm going to

1044
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: charge you for fifteen minutes because that's how I bu

1045
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: build in fifteen minute increments. So everything that we munch

1046
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes worth. The law service, what depends on what

1047
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: your good answer good what good question? Good question? Exparence

1048
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: on what you're hourly ratings, So my hourly rate. Yeah,

1049
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: I won't say, Willy, wait a minute, she got to

1050
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: tell people what the radios don't. I don't need to

1051
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: tell me. It depends on who calls. Really, it's not

1052
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: just our we we love you, ma' I'm just making

1053
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah, Well, here's there's what I think about that. Anyway,

1054
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: I say, uh, there are lawyers for everything that you want,

1055
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Speaker 1: and that's different lawyers for different levels and whatever you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do. So I say, if you want to

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: call a certain lawyer, then you know, once you find

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Speaker 1: out what that rate is, you decide whether you want

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Speaker 1: to do business with that lawyer or not. And if

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01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: you want to do business with that lawyer, you don't

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Speaker 1: complain about the rate. Here's the thing. But you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that when I hire you lawyers,

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Speaker 1: I based on the certain I hire lawyers based on

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Speaker 1: the service that I need. And when any time I

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Speaker 1: need a lawyer, it's always serious stuff. So I want

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Speaker 1: a very good lawyer. Of course, I want the most

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Speaker 1: reasonable rate that I can get when I call these

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Speaker 1: this lawyer, I know what that rate is. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not tripping on it because I know I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: what i'm paying for. So as long as I'm getting

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Speaker 1: what I'm paying for, and he and he's getting what

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Speaker 1: I'm and he's getting what I'm paying for, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, he giving what I'm paying for.

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Speaker 1: I ain't got no problem with a lawyer. I know

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Speaker 1: a lawyer guys and and and and this is it's

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Speaker 1: not even a joke. I know he starts off at

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand. I don't give a dam. It's a traffic

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Speaker 1: to Yeah, how much is it gonna be? Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: that's a great point that, well, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: you gotta be talking about Ken you know. Yeah, I said, uh,

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Speaker 1: but that's as you get what you pay for, know that.

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01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: So if you want to go get a lawyer that's

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01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: cheap or want to give you a payment plan and

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01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: all that, you're gonna get that. If you want a

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: lawyer that's good at what they do, that's not gonna

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: you know, be you know, bad customer service, not give

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01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: you the run around, not not calling you back, all

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Then you're gonna have to pay

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01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: for that. So when you when you call and you

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01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: do that consultation and you get the rundown of how

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01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: much this person's our only radius, how much the retainer's

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01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: gonna be, you got to make that assessment or as

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01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: to whether or not you can afford it. If you

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01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: sign that contract and you hire that attorney, you have

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01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: just waived your right to complain about how much it

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: is costing you because you just agreed to pay my fees.

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Speaker 1: We do not. And I'm saying this because I've had

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Speaker 1: some conversations with my with my colleagues, my girlfriends, who

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: are also lawyers, and we get tired of having to

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: have these conversations with our clients about pain. You want

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01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: good service. I'm doing my part by providing good service.

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Speaker 1: Now you do your part by pain, don't bother? Right, Well,

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01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: that's how, that's how, that's how. You know you talk

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: to these criminal lawyers too. You're like, look, I'm gonna

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01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: do my part again. You this money, you keep the

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01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: cuffs off, you know, like I'm gonna do. As long

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01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: as I do my part, you do your part, everything's

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01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: gonna begin. It's an exchange. It's it's an exchange. And

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: if you can't afford that lawyer, go find go down

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: to wherever the other lawyers you get anything up under

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01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: you know uh what they call him uh in the

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Speaker 1: Martindale Hubble, the five pre eminent whatever you're you're, you

1113
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,919
Speaker 1: gotta deal with that because you took because you took

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01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: a chance putting yourself in that position. I'm going to say,

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: you can't shape up. Uh Latitia Kings, I won't get

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: a lawyer. And let me say this. Let me say

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01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 1: this as well. Okay, all right, and I'm speaking for

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: my my female colleagues and criminal No, I'm gonna say this.

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Speaker 1: You know, people, a lot of times it seems, and

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Speaker 1: I hate, I hate to accept this as being the truth,

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01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: but it seems a lot of times that people are

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: more willing to drop a bag on male attorneys that

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: there seems to be the especially especially when you're talking

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01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: about your female and your black female, there seems to

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01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: be this level of like lack of confidence that comes

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: because it's a female and it's a black female. You

1127
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: gotta know who I think in court, Willie, you have

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Speaker 1: to know, Like, if you got a white judge that's

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01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: a female, then you got to play the game accordingly.

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01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: If you got a black judge that's a male, then

1131
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: you gotta play the game accordingly. You don't want to

1132
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: go into a courtroom with a Hispanic judge and a

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: cowboy hat win. Uh, white guy. It is a game

1134
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: because if you watch the even just on a on

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01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: a rudimentary level, just watching these ary if you just

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: watched the head if you just watch these judge shows,

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: you'll see if the judge is white, the bailiff is

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01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: is black, if if the judges the hispanic, those things matter.

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01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: Those things matter. But if you like a sorry, but

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: if you got a white judge, you need a white

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01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: lawyer you got a black judge. No, I don't think

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01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's that you got to know

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01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: the person. You got to know the proclivities of that

1144
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: particular Yeah, like you don't understand he know, you know,

1145
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, just us. I had to bring out my

1146
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: spell words because he got the Bible with match about this.

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Speaker 1: This is how this is how I hire your lawyers,

1148
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: Like I hire your lawyers, I hire your lawyers, especially

1149
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: if I got a serious situation, like some type of

1150
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: criminal case or something. I hire your lawyers based on

1151
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: not who they know, but who know them in the

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: inside of the courtroom. It's like it's like somebody saying, Man,

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01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: I know scar Face. Okay, yeah, you know scar Face,

1154
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: but don't mean scar face. No you because if scar

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: Face don't you know you, you can't get nothing done.

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01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: You see, So what does that mean? What you mean

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: what you say about knowing him, he can't get your done?

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: What does that mean that I said, if you if

1159
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: you don't know that person exactly, they can't get nothing done.

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01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: So so my my point is is that like I've

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01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: heard lawyers say yeah, oh that's the judge. Oh yeah

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01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: I know ife, and and somebody who ain't, who ain't

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01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: up on the on their game, might hear that and

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: be like, hey, that's comfy. I like that. You know

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Speaker 1: he know the j Yeah, yeah, he know the proc prosecute. Yeah,

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01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: but do they know you See, that's how you get

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01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: things done, because all of this stuff really bars down.

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01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: We are we're not computers, were human beings, So all

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: this stuff bars down to relationships. That's all it really

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:55,759
Speaker 1: is relationships, access and options. No, No, don't discredit. Don't

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01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: discredit the skill of and the ability and know how

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: the attorney. No, I'm not. I'm not discredited in that.

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01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 1: But I can tell you it's the old saying, it

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01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 1: ain't what you know, it's who you know, and you

1175
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: can have That's why. That's why, that's why sometimes, but

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: that's that's why a lot of times you can have

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01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: a job I law you that can be sharp and

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01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: know that and know that stuff. If you walk in

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: a certain kind of a certain courtroom, some judges are

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01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: intent on like shutting you down. I don't care how

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01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: prosecutors killed you are. Some lawyers are, yeah, because they're working.

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01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: Who's with the prosecutors. But some lawers, some judges are

1183
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: intent on shutting you down. I don't care how good

1184
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: you are. They'll make you go out and and and

1185
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: file some type of charge against them and fill again

1186
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,559
Speaker 1: file with the bar to get them this bar or something.

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: Because some of them they act like the curt room

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: is their house. Like what I say goes. It don't

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01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: matter what the laws goes. I am the law that

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01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: lady was has ain't goddamn me in court that I

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01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: went to like she was like making up her own ship.

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that ain't in the books. Some of

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: some of them have that type of mentality, old Republican

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01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: mean asked, wrinkle face as judges got that mentality. Yes,

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: some old democratic mean ass sprinkle face mother's got that

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 1: mentality too. And some of them got smooth faces and

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01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: they got that mentality that the deal is that man,

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: that we're just part of. We're we're a very wicked system.

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Speaker 1: Has stewardship over us. Stewardship is in the right word

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01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: to use. It's it's the cold game, bro, It's the

1201
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 1: cold game. But we appreciate you coming on the show

1202
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: and you know, giving us that information, insight, getting to

1203
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about you. Didn't answer my question,

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: are the lawyers and the judges in cos I would

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 1: say no. I mean, look, some people would say that

1206
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: you should. Thanks a lot, ladies and gentlemen appreciate you

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01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: joining us on another ghetto boys reloaded with with with

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: with Uncle Faith Marvin, Mr Willie d And we had

1209
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: a hell of a time with miss Casey. And she

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: killed us. She killed it, she killed it. She she

1211
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: kneeled that she hit the hammer I've been doing you

1212
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: for a long answer. That's a that's other ship, that's like,

1213
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: that's a professional name. We were just were just homeboys

1214
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: and homes I remember when you was taking that damn

1215
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: bartest and fucking uh Golden Corral. He was like, I'm study,

1216
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: I'm studying for the bar. I'm like, care, I studied.

1217
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: I was studying several different crocker barrel. Cracker barrel is

1218
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: a cracker barrel. Crocker crocker barrel, cracker barrel. That's what

1219
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out. How we met, That's

1220
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: how we met. You're using that with your brother? All right, FA,

1221
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: we can we'll continue. We're gone. We'll continue discussion later.

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01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: All right, in a minute, no more talk, Okay, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for having me. This episode was produced by

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Speaker 1: Aching and brought to you by The Black Effect Podcast

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