1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: The podcast playground. This is to take in a walk, 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: podcast music history on foot and on Buzznight. Follow what's 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: on your favorite podcast platform, Apple, Spotify, iHeart, tune In 4 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast, and when you click 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 1: follow him, that guarantees that you're never going to miss 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: an episode. Kindly share with a friend. Today we have 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: the bassist and keyboard player from a Canadian band that 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 1: defined arena rock in it's four decades. He's a dear 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: friend for many years. Please welcome Mike Levine to taking 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: a Walk. Well, Michael Stephen Levine, it's so awesome to 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: have you on taking a Walk. I only wish we 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: could be in person. But what joyous part of the 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: globe are you in? I have been the grill that 14 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: it is a beautiful sunny day, and I'm the I 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: could just detect the smile on your face when you 16 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: say that, yeah, and I also smiled. Though it's ever 17 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: ever in all the years I've been to interviews referred 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: to me as Michael Stephen are you You're with the 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: award my friend? So let's disclose first that I got 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: to know you from being a regular attendee of the 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: Superstars Radio convention led by our mutual friend Lee Abrams. 22 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: I remember being either in the bar line or the 23 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: chow line, and when I would see you, I knew 24 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the convention would be ultra fun if you were in 25 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: the house. We had a lot of laughs and we 26 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: probably dented ourselves a little bit in the process, but 27 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: it sure was a lot of fun. Yeah, those were 28 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: those were very heady days. I have. I have incredibly 29 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: fond and i'd also pednaky memories from those conventions. But 30 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: just the opportunity to hang with, you know, all the 31 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: radio guys and some of the artists that actually did 32 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: show up was it was just amazing for me. Yeah. 33 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: Do you remember some of the artists that were there. 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: I remember a few of them. I remember hanging in 35 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: the A and M suite. I remember hanging with Robert 36 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: Palmer for an extended period of time. He was probably 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: the most opinionated artist I ever met. I remember Robbie Robertson, 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: a fellow Canadian, hanging around there. Do you remember him. 39 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: I remember Robbie being there. I remember David Lee Roth there. 40 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: I remember being in a bathtub with David. There was 41 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: somebody's tweet, but we had a call was on. I 42 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: remember Bob and Doug McKenzie, your your fellow Canadians were 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: there one time? Do you remember that? I don't remember 44 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: them there. No, I have no recollection of that. But 45 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: there's a buzz. There's a lot of things I don't remember, 46 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: especially about then. Oh my god, me too. All Right, 47 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: we're going to talk later about the Triumph documentary Rock 48 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: and Roll Machine. We're going to touch on the tribute 49 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: album as well, and limited edition cool things that you've 50 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: got available. But first, let's start at the beginning. When 51 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: did you know that you were you were hooked being 52 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: a musician. I don't know. I just maybe when I 53 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: saw the Beatles at Mayleaf Gardens in Toronto, and probably 54 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: i'd have been I don't know, thirteen or fourteen years old. 55 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: I got at that point a sixty three or four 56 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: whatever that was. I just looked at odd at this 57 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: band that you couldn't hear for all the girls screaming. 58 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: And then I looked at all the girls screaming, and 59 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: I said, I want to be a musician. I'll tell 60 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: you that girl. That was it, right pretty much? Yeah, Now, 61 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: who were some of the other influences musically that shaped you? 62 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Around that time. Oh, I was me and my buddies. 63 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: We had little high school bands, part time bands kind of. 64 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: We were very R and B O oriented, So it 65 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: was Sam and Dave and Wilson Pickett and Still Johnson 66 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: and Aretha Franklin and Irma Franklin, you know, just we 67 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: used to because there was no black people in Toronto. 68 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: At the top forty station was tom which was very 69 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: famous station, but they listed Midnight Hour by Wilson Pickett 70 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: is number one, but they never played the record. Wow, 71 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: that's crazy. So we we had to listen to Buffalo 72 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: radio to hear hear the songs, so it'd be w 73 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: U f O the big w later with FM who 74 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: started happening w BLK FM, so we'd hear the songs. 75 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: And there was one store in downtown Toronto that carried 76 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: the stingles, so we used to head down there on 77 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: the weekendse because we lived in the suburbs and just 78 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: hang out and and look at the stinkles that came 79 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: in that week. And the ones that we heard on 80 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: the radio we bought and we learned and we played 81 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: in the band. So those were big, huge influences. Really, 82 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: the R and B guys, and of course you know 83 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the Beatles, the Stones, even Herban's herbit for for for 84 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: lack of a better band in those days, but to 85 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: Who and the Yardbirds. Uh, just you know all those 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: bands were so you listen to them and try and 87 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: cop their legs and be as good at players as 88 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: they were, which of course was pretty much impossible in 89 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: those days. Yeah, it influences for everything because there was 90 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: no FM radio, right, it was strictly Top forty. So 91 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: describe that chance meeting with Rick Emmett and Gil Moore 92 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: in Toronto that led to the band Triumph That was 93 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five, right, Yes, you have the year absolutely correct. 94 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: So Gil and I were in a part time band together, 95 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: and you know we played high schools on weekends. It 96 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: was a cover band. We've been good, good dull. But 97 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: then it was like, you know, he suckered me into 98 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: playing with them. He was I didn't want to do it, 99 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: but he basically conned me into just playing, you know, 100 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: for a few weeks because I was doing others things 101 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: at that point. So, uh, you know, I started to 102 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: like the playing part. It was kind of neat. We 103 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: sat down one day, just him and I and I said, look, 104 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. Either we try and get 105 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: something serious going, or I'm going to have to, you know, 106 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: go back to you know, rating and producing jingles, which 107 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: is what I was doing. He said, okay, So we'd 108 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: brainstorm you know, bottle Scotch or whatever over the court 109 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: course of a few weeks and decide, okay, we're going 110 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: to have a three piece band. It's going to be Ali, Jibbie, 111 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Hendrick Bella and Zeppelin, ality, purple, hard rock, heavy battle, 112 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. I I don't think anything 113 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: that terminology back then. But so you got a guitar player, sorry, 114 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: a bass player and a drummer, but you know you 115 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: need a guitar player. So we had auditioned a bunch 116 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,679 Speaker 1: of guys just to see if we could get along 117 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: and be playing with them, and nothing seemed to be working. 118 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: And then with guys we knew, their managers and agents 119 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: suggested that, you know, we go check out this guy 120 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: named Rick Evat playing the band called Act three and 121 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: they're playing this weekend at whatever club. It was like, 122 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: can't remember now. So we went, okay, and we went 123 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: and checked them out and they were playing you know, 124 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Gentle Giants and Queen Early Queen, you know, really kind 125 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: of complex prog rock stuff, and they're pretty good, and 126 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: Rick was amazing. Jill and I kind of looked at 127 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: each other and go says, yeah, he's really good. But 128 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: do you think you can play pull lot of love? 129 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: If you could play that, he can play a whole 130 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: lot of them. All right, it's not going to be 131 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: a problem. So Rick came over and sat down with us, 132 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: and we could. We chatted and decided that okay, let's 133 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: get together and play a little bit, see how the 134 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: vibes are. That seemed to work out just fine. And 135 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: the rest kind of his history. I like how you 136 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: focused on let's see if we could get along first. 137 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: That was that was really the priority, right absolutely, you know, 138 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: it's you know, that's what we did, uh, pretty much 139 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: all the way through our career. Like, okay, you know, 140 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: so we got a band, Now what are we going 141 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: to do? So we're playing high school so that was easy. 142 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: But then we need to go on the road. It's 143 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: what we could do. So we went on. The agent 144 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: put us a tour of northern Ontario. Okay, Now, I 145 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever been up there, but it'd 146 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: be like places like Thunder Bay, Ontario and sus Saint 147 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Marie and Darth Bay and Studbury and where else that's 148 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: in the winter and it's really I can't cold. So 149 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: we get there and there's no gigs. We're okay, we're here, 150 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: we have nowhere to play. The agent just made it 151 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: all up. So we went to the university and said, hey, 152 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: you guys got beer dight. Yeah, okay, we're going to play. Okay, yeah, 153 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: just give us the door through whatever pass beer. I 154 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: went to a club that was up there and they said, hey, 155 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: we'll play for food. And we lived through that experience. 156 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: We're up there for I don't know, five or six weeks, 157 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: and we lived and we laughed and we had I 158 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: couldn't say we had the most fun ever, but we 159 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: made fun of a really horrible situation. So again it 160 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you got to live, you know, through 161 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: the shitholes, you know, to play the dice places. And 162 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: we managed to do that. So then nineteen seventy nine, 163 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: this release called Just a Game comes out and it's breakthrough, 164 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: Hold On, lay It on the line, songs that are 165 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: still staples out there for classic rock and rock stations. 166 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: So were you guys surprised at the success of Just 167 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: a Game? Nothing ever surprised me, to be honest with you. 168 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: I went, hey, we're either gonna it's It's kind of 169 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: like being in a band. It's kind of like going 170 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: to Vegas if you're a gambler, So you know what's 171 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the while you hit blockjack, But as soon as you 172 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: pick up your chip and walk away from the table, 173 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: you can't get lucky. So we got really lucky with 174 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: that record. It was a very good record. I'm very 175 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: proud of that record. But as you know, a lot 176 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: of great records just never got promoted, right, you know, 177 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: lousy record company. Uh you know, manager pissed off president 178 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: of record company. You know that was like you weren't 179 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: the number one priority. You weren't even the number three 180 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: priority with the promo department. So we managed to lobby. 181 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: RCA Records was amongst the worst lambels of the business, 182 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,599 Speaker 1: but they had a couple of guys there that were believers. 183 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: At a marketing was a guy named Tick Carter, and 184 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: he believed in the band. He said, we're going to 185 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: make this happen. And we managed to extract the whole 186 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: whack of do out of them. We just bullshited, We 187 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: made videos, we used TV commercials. Nobody else was doing 188 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. M TV didn't exist. But you know, 189 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: half a million bucks later we had songs on the 190 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: radio and people were paying attention to this span culled triumph. 191 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: But it was really difficult for you guys to break 192 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: into the US, wasn't it. Yes and no. You know, 193 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: another three piece band from Toronto had kind of led 194 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: the way, so to speak. We were able to follow 195 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: how they did it and learned from the mistakes they 196 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: made early out of their career because we were maybe 197 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: three years behind them. I can't remember the day. Oh yeah, 198 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: it was rush. So I got on a plane and 199 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: went to went to see five or six promoters. I 200 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: walked in, you know, our agent. At that point we 201 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: had a US agent or Detroy It Troy Blakely, you 202 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: may remember his nigh rest the stool. He was became 203 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: a very powerful guy in the business. So Troy set 204 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: up meetings for me with Bill Graham and Brian Burphy 205 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: at Avalon the Attractions in la and Jules Belkin in 206 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: Cleveland and Louis Messina and I went around to all 207 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: these guys and said, look, you never heard of us, 208 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: but we're going to want to come in your market 209 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: at headline and Bill, Bill Graham threw me out of 210 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: his office. Really, I said, but Bill, there's a Connistal. Okay, 211 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: here's the deal. Like, we're going to pay for all 212 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: the advertising. Okay, we got twenty five thousand dollar budget 213 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: for TV and radio. It's like, and I have to 214 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: show you this, buddy, Well, we'll write your check for 215 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: half the loss. And Bill said, you're absolutely out of 216 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: your fucking mind. Can So I'm walking back to my 217 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: rent a car in the parking lot a PGP and 218 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Danny Cher and Greg Pearloff who both became very famous promoter. 219 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: I think Craig still runs gee, I think they same 220 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: running after me and said, don't pay attention to Bill. 221 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: It's not his idea. He doesn't like it. But you know, 222 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: we're all in. We're going to do this. I said, great, fantastic. 223 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: So I felt really good about that. So I you know, 224 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: my balls got bigger, my dick got harder, and the 225 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: next guy with you, Brian Murphy, said, Brian, just to 226 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: lay down. Bill Graham's in on this, Okay, so it's 227 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: like you got to come in too, and and sure 228 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: every promoter Jerry Michaelson in Chicago, everybody bought in and 229 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: there wasn't one promoter that made money. Everybody lost money, 230 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: which was okay because they came in the dressing room 231 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: after the show and they were honest about how much 232 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: they lost it and try and steal money from us. 233 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: And we wrote that Rick, Mike and Golly signed a 234 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: check perhaps a loss, the only time in history and 235 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: act that signed a check to a promoter for a loss. Ever, 236 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: so those guys became our friends and they worked radio 237 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: on our behalf. They did everything they possibly could to 238 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: make the band successful in their marketplaces, and sure enough, 239 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: you know, it took a couple of times through. But 240 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: then we're playing the big building. Wow, what a great story. 241 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So thunder seven you worked with Eddie Kramer, 242 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: the legendary engineer and cop producer. Quite a history obviously 243 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: with some bands that we might have heard of that 244 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: he worked with. What was it like working with Eddie Kramer? 245 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: When when you look up the phrase piece of work 246 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: in the dictionary, there's a picture of Eddie right there 247 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: was there was a lot of fun to work with, 248 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: but Eddie was really quirky. We nearly came to fisticuffs 249 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: many many times. But it was all for the better. 250 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, the record 251 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: got better because you know, Eddie insisted on something and 252 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: I told him, you're dreaming, you know, your your your 253 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: brain dead. Rrs don't work anymore. He goes, yes, they do. 254 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: You The problem is you don't. Don't you know who 255 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: I am? I should really, I don't care who you are. 256 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: This isn't your record. This is a triumph record. It 257 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: became a you know, a battle of will, so to speak. 258 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: And you know, Edie one a few and I went 259 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: a few, and uh, you know, Rick went a few, 260 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, the record ended up being good. 261 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: But I learned a lot from any like on the 262 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: technical basis and you know, sound wise, you know, audio wise, 263 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: how we life stopped just listening to the because that 264 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 1: stuff with stories, it was a lot of fun. It 265 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: was it was worth the monddy. We paid them really 266 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: just for the stories. So you guys defined really this category. 267 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: You you were part of creating this category kind of 268 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: arena rock I guess I would call it, uh, which 269 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: included a lot of like lasers and explosions and things 270 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: of that nature. Uh where did you where did you 271 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: get the idea for that type of stage persona? Well, 272 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: going back to how we started our little walk there, Uh, 273 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: it was that was the idea from the beginning was 274 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: to have a big show. You know. Our feeling was, 275 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, imagine growing to a Broadway playing and there's 276 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: no lighting and there's no there's no audio and there's 277 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: no light and dark you know kind of thing. You know, 278 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: there's no lighting and no excitement. You just watching three 279 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: guys on stage standing there and looking like goofballs with 280 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: no you know, no kind of theatrical presentation around. It 281 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: was really not a very bright business plan. So right 282 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: from the beginning we overramped on everything. We bought our 283 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: own lighting system. We took the biggest lighting system no 284 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: into bars, into bars, we took tyrol, ran over these 285 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: pirol and you know in bars we used Tyro in bars. Uh. 286 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: We got a reputation as being a uh you know, 287 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: you have to see this band. It's like we were 288 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: totally unique and uh, both the music we played, which 289 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: was you know, we copped a step and Purple and 290 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: Hendricks and then we do a set of our own, 291 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: and that's how we ended up with fans. But the 292 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: whole show thing was an essential thing. Any time we 293 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: had extra though, Okay, what are we going to add 294 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: this time? We're going to add that more flash plots. 295 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: How we're going to go for lasers? Can we afford it? 296 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: Who cares? If we can afford it, let's do it. Anyway, 297 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: we were into the big show from the beginning, but 298 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: not just for the sake of doing it. It was 299 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: always okay, how do we use it to enhance the music? 300 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: So you know, dark makes light look great, light makes 301 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: dark work great, quiet makes loud sound great, Loud makes 302 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: quiet sound great. So you know all that. And from 303 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: Jerry Wexler, who I have the pleasure of meeting, was 304 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: this is people don't always there with the rears. They 305 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: here with their eyes too, and that's definitely true. So 306 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: the visual part of our show was there to adhance 307 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: the user, and that's how we taste the show. It 308 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 1: was up and down and then you know, like on 309 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: a good graph, Okay, started off here and here's the 310 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: turret on the stock. It started a buck and now 311 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: it's at one hundred and twenty. But it didn't go 312 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: all the way to the top straight up. There was 313 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: lulls and it's progression and that's how we we programmed 314 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: and show it to be. So what was the thinking 315 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: behind you guys building Metal Works studio? Where were your 316 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: aspirations at that time? So that was prior to the 317 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Ally Forces record. So we had done the Progressions of 318 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: Power record, which didn't do as good as we thought 319 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: it might. But you know, dot deturned at all. We 320 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: continued on and you know, we need to be able 321 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: to have a place where we could do demos. That 322 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: would be very helpful. So I'm on vacation. We had 323 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: a warehouse and you go with a couple of little 324 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: offices in front of it, and the warehouse restored here 325 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: and we rehearsed and but it was a warehouse. Uh. 326 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: One day Joe Ki was looking in Jamaica. Actually, Joe 327 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: calls me and says, hey, what do you think about 328 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: setting up at demo studio at the warehouse? And I said, hey, 329 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: if you want to take that on, buddy, you know, 330 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: price it up. So he went to work and uh, 331 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: he phoned me a week later he goes, well, it 332 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense if we don't have a controller, a 333 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: little controller, And I said, yeah, you're right, Okay, let's 334 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: let's go for it. A week later or he calls me, 335 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, I can get this deal, a sponsorship deal 336 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: on these on these mci as recording console and two 337 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: twenty four track machines. He said, He say, unbelievable deal. 338 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: I said, okay, it sounds pretty good. Over the course 339 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: of two months, we based on the phone, uh you know, 340 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 1: and I give this all killed because he did all 341 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: the heavy lifting. But we the studio got designed, We 342 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: had a control designed by the top guy in Canada 343 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: had some of the best recording year ever and we 344 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: had to record by early late nineteen eighty, I guess 345 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: we had a full blowing forty eight track recording studio. 346 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Of course, when we wanted to use it, it was 347 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: rented of course, of course, so we have to have 348 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: someone come in and actually use it, right, that had 349 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: to be done. Don't bed to Vancouver called Dugge. The 350 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Slugs used it to make their album, which Wet Cold Canada, 351 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: by the way, but they loved it. The sounder came 352 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: out of there was good. It was just an incredibly 353 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: pleasing experience for them. But we go in there for 354 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: Allied Forces and we spend weeks rehearsed songs and rewriting 355 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: them and rewriting the hooks, rewriting the first is, coming 356 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: up with better intros, better solos, and then we were 357 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: ready to make a record finally, right. So, and I 358 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: think that record really was the one that set us 359 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: apart one hundred percent. Uh you know, it had you know, 360 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: maagure power and try the good fight, and just it was. 361 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: It was a game changer. Just the studio was definitely 362 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: a major major part of that. Plus we had become 363 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: a little better as writers and performers and musicians, et cetera. 364 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: And being able to say, just because we wrote it 365 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you know that it smells really good. You know, 366 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: shit is shit. It always smells bad. So we were 367 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: able to We were able to go, you know what 368 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: because we could then go and then that debo process, 369 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: we go, Okay, let's play it out of bedtracks, we 370 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: have drums, based atar, put a scratch focal on it, 371 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: and go that song real least. You can't repair it. 372 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: There's no way that you could. You could work on 373 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: it for ten years, it will never get me better 374 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: than what it is. You know, it's hit the erase 375 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: button that it disappeared forever. You know what's so funny. 376 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks of Canadians as being gentle, maybe not willing 377 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: to give their opinion on things, and you've just you know, 378 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: went counter to that. Mike, Well, yeah, I'm the anti 379 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: apathetic Canadian. I don't like Canadians for that because they go, oh, well, 380 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: gee whiz. You know. I guess I spent a lot 381 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: of time in America early on in my life, and 382 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, I met people that were hardcore Democrats or 383 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: hardcore Republicans. Nobody's hardcore. They just go, oh, well, I 384 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: guess I have to vote, right. I guess that's just 385 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: the way it is. So the documentary, I love the documentary, 386 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: Oh my God, A Rock and Roll Machine. Talk about 387 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: the process of working on that and how that felt 388 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: sort of going back in time. Well, it's really a 389 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: weird kind of experience because it started, I would say 390 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: around I'm going to say two thousand and fifteen when 391 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: it first began. It's you know, it's embryonic stage and 392 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: it was a friend of ours, Brian Houston, and a 393 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: director named Don Allen. A ton of Triumph Videos. They 394 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: got together and said, you know, we should get the 395 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: boys to make a film, and so that's kind of started. 396 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: It kind of went, yeah, that sounds good, and then 397 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: there was a screenwriter hired and Don went about business 398 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: trying to raise funds and that our Canady. You get 399 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of government funding if you're smart and you 400 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: played the game right. So Don did a great job, 401 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: but he was really lousy at getting funding. So they 402 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: kind of went by the wayside for a while and 403 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: then it kind of rud It's ugly head again. I 404 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: guess the early twenty nineteen when we said to Dodd 405 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: Todd either we got to do something or you know, 406 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: you're out, you know, and he said, well, let me 407 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: go to the boys at Banger Films and see if 408 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: we could do some kind of co production. They said, sure, 409 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: we're in, and they went and raised the rest of 410 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: the money that was needed and then we still went 411 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: to work on it. And they wanted to do something, 412 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, because they had done you know, Iron Maiden 413 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: and Alice Cooper and Rush, you know, and they were 414 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: like the gold standard if guys doing rock Box, but 415 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: they want to there's something different with us. They wanted 416 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: to tell the story of the band from the point 417 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: of view here are three guys that kind of came 418 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: from nowhere and built this incredible career. And how did 419 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: they do it? And how did the fans react? And 420 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: let's not make it all about well, here's a picture 421 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: of Mike Kevin dinner with his parents. Doesn't that swell? 422 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: You know? They wanted to, you know, to have the 423 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: fans engaged with it too, which I thought they did 424 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: a great job to make it more like a movie 425 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: than a documentary. And I think they they you know, 426 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, when I 427 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: look at the finished product, I think they did an 428 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: absolutely incredible job. It pushes all the buttons. You know. 429 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: It makes you laugh, it makes you cry, makes you happy, 430 00:27:54,160 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: makes you angry. So where can folks see it right now? Yeah? Uh, 431 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 1: debut Access TV last week. I think you can rent 432 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: or buy it on Amazon and through our merch store. 433 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: So tell me about the tribute album that produced by 434 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: Mike Klink. Tell me about that. So the tribute Mike Clink, 435 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: who's one of the great record producers of all time. 436 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: You know, he did Appetite for Destruction, White Steak your 437 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: Name and his time Botman Crew. He thought that there 438 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: would be a good idea to do a tribute record, 439 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: so I went to round Hill Music, who owns our 440 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: recording rights, got a budget that went to work basically, 441 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: so it's really his project. Uh you know, we have 442 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of input into it, but there's some 443 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: incredible people on it, you know, like uh, you know, 444 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: vocal wise Mickey Thomas and Tyner Cottley and Larry Dew 445 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: and Joey belladotas the Master of Bach amongst others, and 446 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: the players from Philax too By to Toaby Aldrich the Stross. 447 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 1: He's got great players and what I've heard so far 448 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: has been really good. So that should be out in 449 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: the uh in the they're they're hoping they'll be finished 450 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks and have it available by 451 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: the summertime. Well, I think folks should check out Triumph 452 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: music dot com too, because, uh it not only updates 453 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: what's going on, uh as far as the doc and 454 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: uh other cool happenings, but it's also where folks can 455 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: get limited edition uh vinyl. Right, Yeah, there's lots of 456 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: vinyl going on, uh, you know, colored vinyl more than 457 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: just straight vinyl like beat colors and that kind of thing. 458 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: So it's all limited edition stuff and a lot of 459 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: it is existing products, but a lot of it's going 460 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: to be uh I totally unheard of live stuff that 461 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: we've found in our vaults and that are you know, 462 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe we'll do a bootleg series. You know, won't be 463 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: the greatest quality because their boot legs, but it would 464 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: be fun to have that too, well, Mike and closing, 465 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: what would we do in our life if we didn't 466 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: have music, man, that would be I don't think life 467 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: would be anything. You know, you figure that music touches 468 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: everybody in some way, shape or form on a daily basis. 469 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: So I think it's more important than a car, although 470 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: you know, you still need a car to listen to 471 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: music sometimes. But music is one of the great experiences, 472 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: entertainment experiences you'll ever have. Plus it's it's got a 473 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: motion to it. And you know, the letters that we get. 474 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: I think it's referred to in the doc that we get. 475 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: We get letters from people how music changed your lives. 476 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, our music in particular, but everybody's music touches 477 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: somebody in some way, and you know, it's something that 478 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: I think all all musicians, all recording artists. You know, 479 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: I'll promo guys, all radio guys should be very proud 480 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: of they contribute to that whole process. Well, I got 481 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: to thank you for all the music that you and 482 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: the band certainly gave us, gave me. I hear from 483 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: friends from back in the day that say, you know, 484 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: I was just listening to the radio and Magic Power 485 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: came on and I thought of our time together. You know, 486 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: it just brings you back. So I can't thank you 487 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: enough for all of that and all of our our 488 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: high jinks together as well. And I'm really grateful that 489 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: we were on taking a walk. Well, it's a pleasure 490 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: to be walking right through the bus. You're You're a 491 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: hero in my books. You're the man. Thank you very much. 492 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spotify, Apple podcast, 493 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast fast