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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalist takes for women, use kids weird.

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Speaker 2: I am Mary Kathy him and I am Carol Marco

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Speaker 2: and H'm Mary Catherine. How was your weekend?

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good. Had a nice dinner out, enjoyed

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Speaker 1: some chill time yesterday. Not really much going on as

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Speaker 1: far as plants. Watched robin Hood with my kids yesterday,

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Speaker 1: the Disney one.

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Speaker 2: Do they like it?

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Speaker 1: That's a fantastic That's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. I have to see that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, it's so great.

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Speaker 2: Added to my list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they basically it was like nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 1: strange time, and they basically took English Middle medieval figures,

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Speaker 1: folk heroes and made them into rednecks. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like that, Okay, I'm going to enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Clearly some good country music. It's fantastic. It's a weird thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a weird movie.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of medieval times. I went to the Renaissance Fair

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Speaker 2: in South Florida this weekend because I really love my

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Speaker 2: twelve year old son, who is you know, into this

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Speaker 1: It was ninety degrees.

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Speaker 2: It was like on dirt, so like as you're eating

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Speaker 2: their wares or whatever, it's like dirt is flying up everywhere.

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Speaker 2: It felt very medieval.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you that. I was gonna say, that's

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Speaker 1: very much like the true experience that you're having. Aside

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Speaker 1: from the ninety degrees, right.

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was suffering the way they might

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Speaker 2: have been suffering. So yeah, I wanted to give a

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Speaker 2: shout out to my friend Josh Hammer. He has a

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Speaker 2: book out today called Israel and Civilization, The Fate of

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Speaker 2: the Jewish Nation and the Destiny of the West. It

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Speaker 2: is doing super well on Amazon right now. It's number

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Speaker 2: three on the entire site. I haven't read it yet,

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Speaker 2: but I know it's going to be a banger because

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Speaker 2: Josh is really smart and has it going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will look for that. I did not pre

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Speaker 1: order it, and I need to get on it.

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Speaker 2: I have pre ordered. I should be getting it today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, alrighty well, I got some news coming out of

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Speaker 1: the Capitol.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'd to myself, Carol. Every time we

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Speaker 1: do a fight over a government shut down and a

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Speaker 1: continuing resolution, which is these stop gap measures that they

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Speaker 1: passed when they can't figure out how to do the

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Speaker 1: rest of the budgeting, I think to myself, let's get

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Speaker 1: back together and do this in a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: which is what we do every single time. So you'll

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Speaker 1: remember in fall or in during the lame duck Biden time,

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Speaker 1: right before Christmas, they passed another continuing resolution that got

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Speaker 1: us to now, so the government was not shut down

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Speaker 1: over Christmas, that wasn't shut down in January or February.

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Speaker 1: We get to now and once again they have to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation. They're having this conversation about a continuing

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Speaker 2: Right in there.

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Speaker 1: In the name, it just continues what was going on

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Speaker 1: during the Biden years. There are some things that are

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Speaker 1: as they call it, but it's basically that the House

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Speaker 1: by some miracle passes it. Way to go Speaker Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he managed that with his tiny margin,

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Speaker 1: but they passed it, and Democrats didn't know what to

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Speaker 1: on his face. So this continuing resolution to prevent a

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Speaker 1: government shutdown, which I can have many problems with the

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Speaker 1: funding of the government as it stands, but they were

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Speaker 1: preventing a shutdown by passing this. It goes to the Senate,

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Speaker 1: at which point Schumer sort of promises some resistance he

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Speaker 1: We can't vote for a thing Trump once, the thing

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Speaker 1: And also our whole argument to the American people is

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Speaker 1: that's their argument. So then they're on this weird tight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're mad. The squad is mad. You know. It's

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Speaker 2: interesting because I very rarely say that I think Schumer

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Speaker 2: I get that it's portrayed as like antics or not

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Speaker 2: He is absolutely right to protect his own hide. Basically

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Speaker 2: the fact that the resistance or whatever they're called these days,

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Speaker 2: of Trump getting any wins whatsoever. They don't seem to

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Speaker 2: realize that it will harm them, And I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it will harm them specifically. AOC is going to

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Speaker 2: like her in the Senate as well. But Schumer is

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Speaker 2: you know, feeling definitely some heat and is concerned that

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Speaker 1: Him well and for them. So I'm with you that sometimes,

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Speaker 1: like if there's a I know that the government shut

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Speaker 1: down is not smart politically for anyone basically. Let's however,

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Speaker 1: say is like the father of Project twenty twenty five, right,

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Speaker 1: that dude is put in charge of deciding who's essential

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Speaker 1: that will go well for our cause, which is federal bureaucrats.

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Speaker 2: So they're right, they're right, And while I would like

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Speaker 2: to see you know, that happen, they're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: For stopping that from happening. But they do have this

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Speaker 1: we've been here before. The Republican Party has been here before, concernatives,

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Speaker 1: he not vote for the shutdown. Yeah, let's hear a

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Speaker 3: I've never seen this level of volcanic anger at a

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Speaker 3: we want a Mitch McConnell. I remember when Obama had

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Speaker 3: all the cards. Mitch McConnell drove Obama nuts, twisted his pinky,

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Speaker 3: to this bully. Stand up this bully, do something. And

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Speaker 3: and I think Chuck Schumer has radically misread the room.

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Speaker 2: He's right, but I would love to see that emotionality

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Speaker 2: I know that the right was just as guilty of it.

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Speaker 2: Obviously politics is very emotional, but just bring it down

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Speaker 1: Well, what he's missing or he's he's saying two different things,

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Speaker 1: and he's correct about both of them, but they don't

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Speaker 1: work together. Mitch McConnell was not the emotional yes such

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Speaker 2: That's why people dislike him.

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Speaker 1: That's why people don't like him. He was the tactical

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Speaker 2: Emotional He does not.

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Speaker 1: And I would argue to Democrats that, much like with Republicans,

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Speaker 2: Pelosi actually walked that tightrope quite well, being the tactical

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Speaker 2: her for it. It's a tough place to be. And

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Speaker 2: he's also obviously lost his step. He voted against Hegseth

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, and I think that in politics

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Speaker 2: You need both.

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Speaker 1: Needing the emoting so much that the idea that democrats

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Speaker 1: that somewhere else. It will steer you wrong if you're

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Speaker 1: for instance, And this is not what Democrats wants. Had

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Speaker 1: they had they shut down the government, I would have

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Speaker 1: been like, let's go to work figuring this out right.

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Speaker 2: We would have loved it, and that would have made

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Speaker 2: them realize that they had made a terrible mistake.

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Speaker 1: But crisis averted for now. But all of all our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get every Yeah, see you guys again.

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Speaker 1: In six This one last still September, so we have this.

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Speaker 2: A little longer. Yeah, we'll be right back on normally.

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Speaker 1: Topic two.

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Speaker 2: Trump is using the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety

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Speaker 2: eight to deport Venezuelan gang members, and people are unhappy

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Speaker 2: about this. I don't quite understand it here I am

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Speaker 2: reading from the Free Press. It's indirect defiance of a

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Speaker 2: federal judge's ruling. The Trump administration has flown two hundred

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Speaker 1: experienced science and public health reporter. A Porva takes over

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Speaker 1: and I came across one of her old tweets today.

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Speaker 1: Compared to the Sunday piece about how we were misled

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Speaker 1: in May of twenty twenty one, a Porva was still saying,

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Speaker 1: someday we will start talking about the lab like theory

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Speaker 1: and maybe even admit it's racist roots. But alas that

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Speaker 1: day is not here yet. So the pandemic just fueled this,

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Speaker 1: these ridiculous witch hunts that tossed people out on their

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Speaker 1: butts who shouldn't have been tossed out, and then gave

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Speaker 1: their jobs to people who demonstrably betrayed the public trust

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again. And then I wonder

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Speaker 1: why we don't listen to them, right?

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Speaker 2: Why Americans have lost such a significant amount of trust

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Speaker 2: in our health agencies and our media. Obviously it's because

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Speaker 2: of stuff like this. She obviously has never apologized for

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Speaker 2: calling people racist because they believed well ended up being

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Speaker 2: the truth. I actually again, like you said, I think

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Speaker 2: that it's far more racist to be like those crazy

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Speaker 2: Chinese people eat bats and that's how viruses get spread.

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Speaker 2: I don't get how that's not the more racist version.

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Speaker 1: No, it's pretty bad, I will say. I read both

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Speaker 1: through this one and the Near Times's coverage of what

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Speaker 1: we've learned about school closures for the next pandemic. I

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Speaker 1: know you won't be surprised to learn that in what

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Speaker 1: we've learned, they didn't go to the people who did

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Speaker 1: it right. No, of course not and ask them what

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Speaker 1: should we learn. They didn't go to the rural counties

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Speaker 1: and the counties the Brave County. There's a one Brave

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Speaker 1: county right near Henryko County in Virginia that did open

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Speaker 1: much earlier than other parts of Virginia in an attempt

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Speaker 1: to get kids back on track. And man, were they

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Speaker 1: abused in the public eye just for attempting this. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, they did the right thing. So I'm

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Speaker 1: reading this piece from the New York Times about what

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Speaker 1: we've learned and noticed that, of course it's all the

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Speaker 1: old bad actors talking again. But the thing that really

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Speaker 1: struck me is that they report on the school closure

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Speaker 1: decision being made, and they say the American Academy of

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Speaker 1: Pediatrics issue to report in June twenty twenty recommending that

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Speaker 1: school's real Republican runs. States like Texas and Florida forged

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Speaker 1: a head with plans to offer in person instruction to

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Speaker 1: families who wanted it. Yet thousands of schools in Democratic

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Speaker 1: majority states like California, Oregon, Washington, and Maryland stayed closed

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Speaker 1: or partially closed for another full year. Policymakers who had

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Speaker 1: a role in those decisions argue that applying evidence from

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Speaker 1: abroad was difficult. Blah blah blah. The politicization of the

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Speaker 1: pandemic also played a role. President Trump repeatedly caught on

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Speaker 1: schools to reopen, while many Democratic officials and advocacy groups

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Speaker 1: fought for stricter safety measures and more federal aid to schools.

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Speaker 1: They report on this without saying the politicization came from

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Speaker 1: the American Academy of Pediatrics, who reversed course when Trump

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Speaker 1: agreed was Trump right because they didn't want to be

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Speaker 1: on the same side as Trump and they were willing

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Speaker 1: to sell out science and kids to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the American acadeistic Pediatrics is just They also

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Speaker 2: ended up arguing that kids didn't need to see faces

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Speaker 2: when they were learning to how to speak, something that

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Speaker 2: they had always believed. They reversed themselves on so many things,

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Speaker 2: the Fittings, Yeah, we're great, screens are so good. They

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Speaker 2: reversed themselves on so many things that they believed to

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Speaker 2: fit in with the political moment. Another obviously very famous

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Speaker 2: example was that all the medical professionals were saying that,

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Speaker 2: you know, you had to stay inside, you can't be

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Speaker 2: mingling in groups. But then the George Floyd riots happened,

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Speaker 2: and they said, oh, you should go, you should go

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Speaker 2: protest because this is more important. Well, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people noticed at that point that they didn't think it

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Speaker 2: was more important than like seeing their parents who might

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Speaker 2: not have that much time, or or getting their kids

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Speaker 2: into schools. It's important to keep talking about it. We're

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Speaker 2: going to keep talking about it because it's a moment

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Speaker 2: that still has Nobody has taken responsibility, nobody's been held accountable.

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Speaker 2: The New York Times doing these little drip drips five

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Speaker 2: years later of we were lied to, Like, no, we

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Speaker 2: were not lied to you. You were doing the live you.

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Speaker 1: You lied I have found for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you and you made it hard for us

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Speaker 2: to tell the truth. You made it as difficult as possible.

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Speaker 2: You covered everything in a way that was completely opposite

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Speaker 2: of the truth. And I until somebody's held accountable, until

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Speaker 2: we know for sure this will never happen again, we're

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Speaker 2: going to keep talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, And not only did they report things that weren't

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Speaker 1: the truth, they in many cases colluded with the federal

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Speaker 1: government or approvingly like clapped as the federal government censored

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Speaker 1: people right who disagreed with their reporting or disagreed with

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Speaker 1: their conclusions. I mean, that's that's a real thing that happened.

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Speaker 1: By the way, would you like to hear what Randy

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Speaker 1: Winegarden has learned.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna say about Randy go ahead.

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Speaker 1: She's quoted in the New York Times, and honestly, she's

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Speaker 1: smarter than Becky Pringle, who is the other head of

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Speaker 1: the teacher's unions, who's quote I will read next, because

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Speaker 1: she can fudget.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 1: She's like, Yes, I've learned a lot from this, said

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Speaker 1: Randy Winegarden, president of the American Federation of Teachers, in

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Speaker 1: a powerful force of democratic politics, who at times worked

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes to negotiate reopenings. No, she worked behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes to hold reopening's ransom. That's what she did right.

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Speaker 1: She also stood by locals in places like Philadelphia and Chicago,

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Speaker 1: where union members fought for vaccines, tests, ventilation, and other

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Speaker 1: safety measures even after classrooms and other parts of the

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Speaker 1: country had reopened. Miss Winegarden defended her members' rights to

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Speaker 1: work safely and emphasize the importance of ventilation, but said

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Speaker 1: she would strive to be clearer in the future that quote,

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Speaker 1: kids have to be the priority, that includes in person instruction.

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Speaker 1: She said, I thought I was pretty loud. She added,

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Speaker 1: I would be even louder. Oh my god, ma'am, you

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Speaker 1: are a liar, right, you were.

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Speaker 2: The person blocking the school door. You, Mitch, you can

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Speaker 2: cut that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should. I don't think we should.

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Speaker 1: So fakes it and that is a lie. Becky Pringle

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Speaker 1: of the National Education Association. She goes even further by

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Speaker 1: the way California Department of Public Health wouldn't even respond

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Speaker 1: to questions about school closures. Becky Pringle says that following

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Speaker 1: cautious Public Health Guide guidance was the right approach and

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Speaker 1: is the one she would follow again. What we needed

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Speaker 1: to do was listen to infectious disease experts. Miss Pringle said.

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Speaker 1: Those infectious disease experts, by the way, are the ones

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Speaker 1: who were lying to you, as The New York Times

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Speaker 1: just pointed out yesterday. Yeah, oh oh my lord.

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Speaker 2: But you're right. You're right that Randy is much smarter

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Speaker 2: because she's painting herself as somebody who tried to get

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Speaker 2: schools open, and that's a crazy thing to do. But

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Speaker 2: you know, she has a very friendly media, compliant media.

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Speaker 1: Hard can you imagine being a Republican and getting away

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Speaker 1: with that answer? Like, I've learned a lot to do

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Speaker 1: the things that are popular now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it was me who was doing the

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Speaker 2: things that were unpopular then.

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Speaker 1: But we're not going to talk about that.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, we're still mad. I'm gonna stay mad, and

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with that, because, yeah, it's the

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Speaker 2: best way forward. It's the way to not forget what

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Speaker 2: they did to us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm I'm going to leave you with one more

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Speaker 1: quote to be mad about. Yeah, this is Brent Jones,

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Speaker 1: superintendent of Seattle Public Schools, said he was not apologetic

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Speaker 1: about his system's eighteen month period of virtual and hybrid learning,

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Speaker 1: one of the longest in the country. I saw it

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Speaker 1: as a forced opportunity to step back. He said. We

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Speaker 1: were called upon, frankly to expand our mission to include

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Speaker 1: many other things nutritional, social, emotional, mental health. There was

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Speaker 1: a cry for support. Schools stepped into that gap. No,

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Speaker 1: they would do this again in a heartbeat. Yep, So

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Speaker 1: get ready to fight it when the time comes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'll add one more thing to that. We could

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Speaker 2: just keep going forever. My governor in New York at

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Speaker 2: the time, Governor Angecomo, said we needed to reimagine schools.

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Speaker 2: And he said, we have all these buildings, what for,

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Speaker 2: basically saying we could all have our kids learn online.

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Speaker 2: That man is now trying to be mayor of New

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Speaker 2: York City. This is all again. Nothing is in the past.

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Speaker 2: Everything is in the future, and we should be ready

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Speaker 2: for it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, I know, do it? What I forgot

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Speaker 1: to mention this line from the New York Times piece. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in some ways moving to online learning would be easier

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Speaker 1: next time, now that nearly all schools give students their

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Speaker 1: own laptops or tablets. Be ready for it, people, It

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Speaker 1: is coming. We've been right for five years we're right again.

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Speaker 1: They will do this in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and this time we hopefully will know what

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Speaker 2: to do well. Thanks for joining us on Normally Normally

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