1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two forty two, 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: and today in the show, we are back with another 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: episode of our Rut radio mini series in which we're 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: getting from the field reports from deer hunters all across 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: the country about current conditions, deer activity, the progress of 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: the white tail rut, and everything you need to know 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: to have success right now, all right, welcome to the 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Onyx, and 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: we're back for our weekly Rut radio mini series in 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: which we are hearing from experts all across the country 14 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: about the latest in the white tell world. What kind 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: of action is happening right now, how the conditions are 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: impacting deer and dear activity, how other changing variables in 17 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: the future might impact things down the road, and all 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: that's done by way of the interviewing skills of my 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: buddy Spencer new Hearth. How are you, man, I'm doing 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: good and I am feeling especially optimistic because on Monday 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: night I saw a certain dear would this certain dear 22 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: be named after a Forced Gump character. Yes, yes, at 23 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: two hundred yards on Monday night, I had Lieutenant Dan 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 1: and I was hunting the property where I've been catching 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: him movement, catching him moving basically since July. I was 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: in the standard that I was trying to kill him 27 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: out of in early September, and I hadn't seen him 28 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: much since then. But that evening I saw him get 29 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: out of his bed, which was about four hundred yards 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: away and from where I kicked him out of his 31 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: bed back at the end of August. He was only 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: betted maybe a hundred hundred fifty yards from there, so 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: he hadn't moved too much. Um. But what I do 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: know about him is that he has kind of changed 35 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: his food pattern. Previously, in the summer and early early September, 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: he was hanging out my soybeans a lot, but now 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: he is obviously focused on some natural brows as well 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: as an LFLFA field on the neighbor's property. UM. On 39 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, Spencer, how freaking stoked 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: were you when he finally saw that deer? I kind 41 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: of believe that was excited. It was pretty excited. Uh, 42 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: And it's really like one of the biggest bucks that 43 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: I've seen on the hoof. I suspect him to be 44 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: in the one fifties or one sixties um, and so 45 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: I was really excited. If I didn't even know this 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: deer existed, I'd have been stoked. Now, something that has 47 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: me a little bit concerned is he was betting and 48 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: it appeared that he was feeding on the neighbor's property. 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: Now I can get sort of close to his betting 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: um on my property still, But right now, I'm not 51 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: sure in this next week or so that it's going 52 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: to happen with him, because he's probably not going to 53 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: change much of what he's doing. But once we get 54 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: into that late October early November, he starts getting a 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: little more restless. He would maybe be more vulnerable to 56 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: some calling. I think that you're gonna shot at him 57 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: some morning. That is awesome. Now, I know we're gonna 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: hear from a lot of folks here shortly about what's 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: been happening the last four or five six days, which 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: has been this this cold front and moved through for 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Do you attribute this sighting and 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: the activity that you saw in South Dakota would you 63 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: attribute it to this changing weather. Um, I'm not sure 64 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: about that, because North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, we've been 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: kind of unique and now we've been cold for a 66 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: long time, or prior to that cold front showing up, 67 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: we had already been cold for like five days. And so, uh, 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I would attribute that sighting to. 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Actually saw a lot of deer that evening, and I 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: think one of the big things is that those deer 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: had remained on pressured. Something we'll talk about a little 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: bit later here in the episode. Um, is precipitation. But 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: for me to get to this property, uh, I have 74 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: to travel long ways down m no maintenance dirt road, 75 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: and so I hadn't been back there in a long time. 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: I know the neighbors have not been hunting in a 77 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: long time, and so those deer are just largely on 78 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: pressured right now. It's a nice that's a nice thing 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: to have. That's that's gonna bode well for you, hopefully 80 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: for the next week or two. I mean, I would 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: you agree that probably the pressure won't ramp up around 82 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: you until more of that rut time period. Yeah, And 83 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 1: and even then, the archery pressure is still fairly low. 84 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: But once we hit firearm season in mid November. Uh, 85 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: that's when the deer are more likely to you know, 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: look up in trees and and that kind of thing 87 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: got you so South Dakota, you saw a lot of activity. 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: What what number would you stick on it? It was good? 89 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: I would put it like a seven or eight. And 90 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, really optimistic for this time of year if 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: you have a food source, if you can focus on 92 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: something that's a natural browse. Right now, it's coming like 93 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the deer, rapid moving. But still haven't gone back to 94 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: that big egg quite yet. Man, I'll tell you what 95 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:22,119 Speaker 1: I am being tempted. I'm being so tempted to hunt 96 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: the Holy Field property with this weather right now. Um, 97 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: the activity around us in Michigan has been really good. 98 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: I guess skipping ahead of a little bit to my 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: report if you don't mind. Um here in Michigan it's 100 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: been pretty darn good for most people. And um, you know, 101 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: it looks really great the next few days to really 102 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: really high pressure and cold temperatures, you know, ten or 103 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: more degrees below average for this time of year. Very 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: high pressure days coming up here like tomorrow. I think 105 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: it's gonna be lights out, um, and moving into the 106 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: weekend still too. And I one was this, This would 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: have been Friday night. Our buddy Andy May, who either 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: you've met or at least you've you've you've heard on 109 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. Probably my buddy Andy May. He shot just 110 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: a mega Michigan buck um on that second day of 111 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: the cold front. And then over the weekend I think 112 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: it was Sunday. Another one of my friends who's also 113 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: my taxidermist, he shot a huge eight pointer again on 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: one of these couple of days after the cold front. UM. 115 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: And I've just been seeing, you know, just been seeing 116 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: lighting up on social media, a lot of deer hit 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: in the ground, a lot of people are seeing great activity. UM. 118 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I can't remember which night this was, some night this weekend, 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: maybe Sunday night. UM. I was out watching the holy 120 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: Field property and I saw a buck I call Survivor. 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: He's this deer that last year was a three and 122 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: a half year old. And because I was targeting holy Field, 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: I said, all right, this buck is the buck I 124 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: really want to make it to next year because he'd 125 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: be awesome to see. He's a four year old. And 126 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: at that point I was hoping I was going to 127 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: kill holy Field that year and then Survivor would be 128 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: the buck I could chase until in eighteen. Um. Well, 129 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: Survivor didn't make it. He survived seventeen. He's alive now. 130 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: And last night, whatever night, this was Sunday night or 131 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: Saturday night or um whichever, that was the first time 132 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: I saw him moving daylight this year, and that was cool. 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: Got some really good footage of him with the spotting scope. 134 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 1: He was feeding in this Brassica and oates food plot 135 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: that I had planted out there, and he was moving 136 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: probably minutes before dark, just feeding. He wasn't nosing around 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: doze or anything. He was just hanging out. Um. So 138 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: that was exciting to see. Now, I don't know sure 139 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: what I want to do with that deer yet because 140 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm still holding not hope. You know, that holy Field 141 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: might be alive. So for now I'm not targeting Survivor. 142 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: But it was encouraging to see a four and a 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: half year old, Dear. Any other year, probably a four 144 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: and a half year old will be the best year 145 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: I have to hunt in Michigan, and I would be 146 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: getting after I probably would have haunted the next day 147 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: after him. In that case, but because I'm playing it 148 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: safe thinking about a whole we feel I haven't done that. 149 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: But gosh, with this weather, it's very tempting. I've got 150 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I've got a really good wind direction to go and 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: hunt that stand where Survivor was a couple of days 152 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: ago tomorrow thirty point four five, almost thirty point five. 153 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: As far as barre metric pressure in the forties, which 154 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: is like ten twelve thirteen degrees blow, I average drowned now. 155 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the kind of situation that usually I'd 156 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: be jumping on. So I'm kind of getting anti panty 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: over here. I don't know what to do. Spencer, Well, 158 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: I want to reiterate um that this last weekend there 159 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: were a ton of big deer that hit the ground, 160 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: and like we talked about in the last week's episode 161 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: of Radio, people were optimistic, probably the most optimistic episode 162 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: that we had had yet, so as we expected, you know, 163 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: a lot of deer got shot over the weekend and 164 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: that was exciting to see. In this week's episode, Um, 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: it may be leveled off a little bit and it 166 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: is more of the kind of things that you would 167 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: hear for mid October. It is still largely weather dependent 168 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: on how confident people are and who we talked to. 169 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: This week, we have Todd Pregnants from White Knuckle Productions 170 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: in Iowa, and then Clay Force from Stewart Ranch Outfigures 171 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. That in West Virginia from three or four 172 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Outdoors is Trey Kerns, and then from Deer Hunter Podcast 173 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: in Michigan is Kevin Vistison. Sounds like some good stuff. 174 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: I'll be interested to hear what whatever one's seeing and thinking. 175 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I know, I saw on Facebook that Todd pregnantzas Buddy 176 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Tyler killed an absolute jaw dropper in Iowa. Um does 177 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: he talk about that at all? Uh? He did bring 178 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: it up. He had, you know, a few takeaways from that. 179 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: Hunton that was another one of those deer over the 180 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: weekend that uh, you know, confirmed that what everyone was 181 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: saying last week on the episode was accurate. There were 182 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: going to be a lot of white tales killed. So 183 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: so I think what we have here is a perfect 184 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: case study of of how accurate helpful radio can be 185 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: because what everyone was saying last week ended up happening. 186 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: And if you took advantage of those ideas and thoughts, 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: maybe you had some success to like the folks that 188 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear about today. So I'm gonna I'm gonna 189 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: tout our own horn here, Spencer, good job to us. 190 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. And one final thing I want 191 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: to bring up before we get into the interviews is that, um, 192 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, last year we did kind of a year 193 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: in review and the subject for October was acorns. Every call, 194 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: every episode, people were talking about the huge amount of 195 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: acorns that were in the woods. Well, this year it 196 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: hasn't been so much about acorns. You know, people have 197 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: talked about it, but not to the level of sen 198 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: But but a big theme that you'll hear a lot 199 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: on this episode about and previous episodes is the rain. 200 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: Much of the Midwest and the Great Plains has gotten 201 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: unusual amount of precipitation over these last few weeks, and 202 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: like where I'm at salth Dakota, for example, we've had 203 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: some record breaking days for like twenty four our rainfall. 204 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: And I think that is an important subject for white 205 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: tail hunting on a number for a number of different reasons. Um. 206 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: One of them being is just that large amount of 207 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: standing water. If you hunt someplace that's like a horseshoe 208 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: and a river. UM. I have a couple of properties 209 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: like that that I that I like to check out. Um, 210 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: that almost creates a barrier place where deer would naturally 211 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: be able to cross in the fall. It's now almost 212 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: like a high fence that unless they're absolutely forced to 213 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: cross that river a predator or something, they're just not 214 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: going to. And so you know, the high water has 215 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: kind of change, dear movement. I would say. Another thing 216 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: is with acorns on the ground, if you get a 217 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: lot of this rain, uh, you know, some standing water, 218 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: soggy soil can promote fungus growth in the acorns, and 219 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: that can make acorns rot faster. So you know, we're 220 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: losing some of those natural food sources. And then the 221 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: biggest thing I think is that this will definitely slow 222 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: down harvest. Uh. You know, in my area of South Dakota, 223 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: it looked like beans we're gonna be out, you know, 224 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: over ten days ago or so. But we got all 225 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: this rain and that's going to delay things almost until 226 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: November possibly, And so the food sources are going to 227 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: look differently this year than they did last year for sure. 228 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: And a big part of that is precipitation. Yeah, that's 229 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,479 Speaker 1: a great point. I'll add one more thing on precipitation, 230 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: because every year when we get a spell of a 231 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: lot of rain, I get all sorts of emails or 232 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: face what messages saying what do you think about hunting 233 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: in the rain? Is it a good idea? What's the activity? 234 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Like blah blah blah, And so I just want to give, 235 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: like my thirty second cliff notes thoughts on hunting and precipitation. 236 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: I tend to like it quite a bit, especially in 237 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: states like Michigan where there's a lot of hunting pressure. 238 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it seems like compared to some other 239 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: guys that here that hunt, Like like Dan, when he 240 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: tells me what iowa, He's like, I don't really care 241 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: for those rainy days. But when I see a rainy 242 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: day in Michigan, I'm almost always in the tree and 243 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: those mature bucks that you never see moving in the 244 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: daylight otherwise, so consistently here in Michigan on those cruddy days, 245 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: that's like the first time or the only time I 246 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: see him on their feet. So something to think about. Now, 247 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: if it's like a torrential hurricane downpour, no, but if 248 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: it's like a light drizzle, those days can be money 249 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: or even if you do have a heavy rain, if 250 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: you're out in the tree stand during that heavy rain 251 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: and it stops. As soon as it stops, those deer 252 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: will be on their feet and moving around. You want 253 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: to be in the tree, then you don't want to 254 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: be walking in or you don't want to be sitting 255 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: on your couch because for an hour of the night 256 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: it was raining. So I'd recommend hunting on those rainy days, 257 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: but be careful about the implications of that. So obviously, 258 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: if it's raining a lot, you have concerns around a 259 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: blood trail, so be really, really careful with your shot selection, 260 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: be really smart about how you're gonna approach that. And 261 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: and something I'd highly recommend if you're going to hunt 262 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: in the rain is trying to make sure that you 263 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: have or look into options as far as having a 264 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: tracking dog. We had a situation this past Friday night. 265 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: My buddy and as I mentioned, shot this buck and 266 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: it started raining right after he shot the deer, and 267 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: he was concerned about it washing away the blood. So 268 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: he gave me a call. And I've got another friend 269 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: who has a tracking dog who I've had come out 270 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: and track deer with me, and and I kind of 271 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of helped train him on some of my deer 272 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: and he runs him on all sorts of other folks 273 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: that shoot deer around here. And this dog is great. 274 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: We went out there there was a lot of rain, 275 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: really hard to find blood, and probably would have not 276 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: found blood, maybe wouldn't have found the deer without a 277 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: ton of grid searching in this area. But because we 278 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: brought that dog out, within less than ten minutes of 279 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: getting out there, we were at Andy's deer, which was 280 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: more than two yards away probably from where he shot, 281 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: in very very thick like crp grass like you would 282 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: have never seen this thing. Probably that dog got right 283 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: on it, even though the rain had washed almost everything away. 284 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: These dogs can get on that smell. So that's something 285 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: to think about if you are going to hunt in rain. 286 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: Blood trailing can be more difficult, So make sure you've 287 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: got a dog handy if possible, that can make sure 288 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: that you know, of course, you gotta really prior ties 289 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: and make sure you can recover that deer, and um, 290 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: having a tracking dog is is a great way to 291 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: ensure that. Yeah, man, all great points, but Mark I'm 292 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: gonna cut us off. We have blown way past our 293 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: normal five minute conversation, so let's get to our first color. 294 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: Here's your heart beating really fast? Is your stomach grumbling? 295 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: Are you uncomfortable that I'm making this go so long 296 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: that we are beyond the thirty minute episode? So let's 297 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: let's get to the first color, all right. Before we 298 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: get to our first update, let's pause for a word 299 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: from our sponsors at white Tail Properties. This week, with 300 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: white Tail Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason, a 301 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: land specialist out of Kentucky, and Justin is gonna be 302 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: telling us about what government programs are available to help 303 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: landowners generate additional income on their property. Uh so, I 304 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: think you know. The number one thing I remember is 305 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: on your hunting property, as long as you own it, 306 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: there are programs that you could be eligible for. UM. 307 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,479 Speaker 1: I kind of break them down into a couple of categories. 308 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: There are one time in roll it programs like the 309 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: Wetland Reserve program. You unroll the program one time, it 310 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: pays up front, and then that you know that program 311 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: is established for a lot of times in the lifetime 312 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: of the property. The most common would be those annual 313 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: payment programs like CRP UM it's short for Conservation Reserve 314 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: Program And really what CRP does is it pays the 315 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: landowner not to farm the property, so it goes into 316 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: either some sort of UM annual program with either trees. 317 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: You either play some trees or a lot of It 318 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: is uh kind of a cool season drafts, which when 319 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: you're hunting those Midwest states and you see those CRP fields, 320 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: that's that's what a lot of those are enrolled in. UM. 321 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: So those are probably the most common types of government programs. 322 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the 323 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: properties that justin currently has listed for sale, visit white 324 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: Tail properties dot com backslash Mason that's m A S 325 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: O N alright, and joining me on the line first 326 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: is Todd pregnants from White Knuckle Productions in Iowa, not 327 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: Todd in Iowa. What would you say the bucket activity 328 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: has been lately on a scale of one to ten. 329 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: On a scale of one ten, probably about a two 330 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: or three. In the last two weeks, it's been pretty slow. UM, 331 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: what we basically do this time of years, watched the 332 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: weather fronts and yesterday was the first real kill date 333 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: that we've seen here in Iowa. And actually one of 334 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: my good buddies uh knocked down a big, big buck 335 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: last night, And just through the community and group of 336 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: guys that um I hang out with, everybody has been 337 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: kind of saying the same thing on their trail cameras 338 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: that bucks have just disappeared the last couple of weeks. 339 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: And I don't think it has anything to do with 340 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: hunting pressure. I think it has more do more with 341 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: food sources. Uh. They have been on the acorns hot 342 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: and heavy, and a combination of that with a lot 343 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: of standing crops. Still not a lot of farmers have 344 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: gotten their their food out just because the weather has 345 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: been so wet down here, So I think a combination 346 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: of servile factors have really restricted the movement. But boy, 347 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: when you get that one cold front coming like we 348 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: did yesterday, it absolutely changed everything. And of course my 349 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: buddy got a crack at one of these bucks that 350 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: hadn't shown up on a camera a couple of weeks. 351 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: So this is the time here you really got to 352 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: watch the weather. Are there any takeaways that you had 353 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: from your buddy getting that big buck on the ground. Yeah? Absolutely. 354 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: It was actually kind of an interesting UM when when 355 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: he was. When he finished gutting the deer, I asked him, 356 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: let's cut off the stuffic, I want to see what's 357 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: what this buck has been feeding on. And it was 358 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: a big dandy buck, and um, it was very interesting. 359 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: I find it fascinating to see what these animals eat. 360 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: But the one thing that really was a surprise to 361 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: me was there was quite a few acorns inside of 362 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: its belly that literally hadn't been chewed. He was swallowing 363 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: the thing's hole, which I honestly didn't know white deal 364 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: did I've I've watched so many deer over the years 365 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: sit and crunch on acorns, and you find it amazing 366 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: that they can get the nuts out of the shells. 367 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: But this sucker head all sorts of big acorns inside 368 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: of its belly, as well as tuns and into green brows, 369 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 1: which is very normal. Usually the belly contents are at 370 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 1: least thirty green brows. And then he also had quite 371 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: a few corn colonels in there as well, so can 372 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: I have a mix of variety of different foods. But 373 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: but that weatherfront really really put everything on their feet. 374 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: I was out hunting and filming with a different front 375 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: of mine. We saw some nice dear moving last night, 376 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: but before yesterday it was almost like a week of 377 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: just not even worth going out. We're recording this on October, 378 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: and you said you suspect the buck movement is at 379 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: two or three right now. Um on year's past in 380 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: mid October, is it typically that poor in your area? Yes, generally, 381 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 1: And each year's front based on when they get the 382 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: crops out. Some years the crops are all out by now. 383 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: Other years that send them into November. But usually we 384 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: hunt the front um. And I'm just looking at like 385 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: the next five days, for example, and they're pretty mild 386 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: temperatures fifty four sixty and six before. So my five 387 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: day goal, I would hunt that one afternoon Thursday, which 388 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: is October eighteen. There's going to be a small front 389 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: coming in and it's not it's not a significant front, 390 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: but that would be a spot eyed move into one 391 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: of my easy to access areas, possibly a green food 392 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: plot or a field edge. And that's the type of 393 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: hunting I'm doing this time of year. I just I 394 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: don't want to get into my my betting areas or 395 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: any of my thick cover because it's just too early 396 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: to generally catch those big ones moving much so with 397 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: all that standing cornette and other crops available, do you 398 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: suspect a lot of bucks have not fully transitioned to 399 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: their fall range? Then, Uh, like a lot of the 400 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: deer that you're going to be targeting come November, are 401 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: they betting and feeding in the areas that they will 402 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: be a few weeks from now? Um, some will just 403 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: start moving in now. And last year, for example, I 404 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: killed a beautiful but a one ninety class typical ten 405 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: and I never had a single trail camera picture of 406 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: that book until October. It was the fourteenth or sixte um. 407 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: And I mean, honestly, in the last twenty four hours, 408 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: I've gotten a bunch of texts from bodies who literally said, man, 409 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, deer just starting to show up again. 410 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: But there is people call it the October law. The 411 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: deer are always moving around. But the hard part is 412 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of guys, myself included, access on farms 413 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: is dramatically reduced when all these staying crops are out. 414 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you just can't get into the areas unless 415 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: you're going along the field I does, um, and certain 416 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: cases you just can't get into certain areas and So 417 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: for my my situation, my experience, what I've seen over 418 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 1: the years, this is the time of year where I 419 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: like to be patient, watch my cameras and let the 420 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: cameras dictate my next move, because there's been years passed 421 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: where I was hunting a big eight year old four 422 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: or five years ago, and all of a sudden on 423 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: October one, I got pictures of him. He had moved 424 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: into the area, and I went right after him. I didn't. 425 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: I didn't end up feeling the season. But I really 426 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: do trust material games, and that's the one thing we 427 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: do have going for us today that we you know, 428 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: before you really had to hunt in order to get 429 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: that intel, but now all the cameras just help you 430 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: so much. I try to be very patient this time 431 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: of year because I think more often than not, guys 432 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: ruling their opportunities for later in the season this time 433 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: of year because they're just they just want to get 434 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: out in a tree. You know, there's a dying hunt. 435 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: The expect in mid October like this that the woods 436 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: would be lit up with signmaking right now? Is that 437 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: something that you're seeing in Iowa? Um, a little bit. 438 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: But again I'm not getting into my my deep, deep 439 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: dark secret areas not until round Halloween and then obviously 440 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: in November, but anywhere near a buck's core area will 441 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: be torn up. Right now. They're starting to get build 442 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: up their neck muscles, their testosterones growing by the day, 443 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: and they're getting more and more riled up. So this 444 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: is definitely an area or a time of year where 445 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: if you if you are in the timber and come 446 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: across a lot of concentrated sign and aggressive sign, set 447 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: up your stand right now, like that is the best 448 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: indicator that he is very close by, because if they're 449 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: just not moving very far, but they do move every day, 450 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: I mean they're up feeding, doing their thing. It's just 451 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 1: a smaller, smaller area than when the rod hits. Then 452 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: they're they're generally just putting on more miles looking for 453 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: those But most of the bucks here in my local area, 454 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: I hunt in the dobetting areas and most of the 455 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: big dominant box they don't even show up and start 456 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: hanging out in those areas until right about Halloween. I 457 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: mean they have they know when the dough is coming 458 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: to heat. They don't waste any time energy um out 459 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: chasing them around, grunting and doing the things that immature 460 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: bucks do until they know that the dos are getting 461 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: very very close going forward, then it next week or still, 462 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: what do you think that bucket activity is going to 463 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: be on a scale of one to edit, Iowa probably 464 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: a five. Um, I would just be looking at the 465 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: front I I would honestly be hunting the fronts. And 466 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: based on trail camera pictures, um your buck activity. The 467 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: younger bocks will start becoming more and more active daily, 468 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: basically the two, three, four five year old animals. But 469 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: the big domino box that I'm chasing, the old ones, 470 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: they just don't move that much until very very close 471 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: to the route. And my role of thumb is really Halloween. 472 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: The thirty one of October is really when things start 473 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: to magically change in the in the big dominant deer. 474 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: But um, this is the time here, I think again, 475 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: You've gotta hunt smart and plan for later in October. Unluss, 476 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: You're You're trail cameras are talent? You different? And I 477 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: really do That's pretty much the maker break this time 478 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: of year is if if deer showing up on trail 479 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: cameras during daylight or just after dark, because then that 480 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: gives you a very good idea where they're where they're 481 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: batted based on the time of pictures that you're getting 482 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: up these dare we thought it seems like every season 483 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you kill a giant buck. I'm sure this year will 484 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: be no different. So good luck this here and thanks 485 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: for joining me. Well, thank you very much, appreciate the opportunity, 486 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: and I just want to wish everybody out there the 487 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: bust of locking. Where are your harness use lifelines and 488 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: be safe out there guys, all right, and joining me 489 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: on the line next is Clay Force from Stewart Ranch 490 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: Outfitters in Oklahoma. Now, Clay in Oklahoma, what would you 491 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: say the bucket activities been lately on the skill of 492 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: one to ten uh, from what I've been seeing based 493 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: on camera and based on just getting around buck activities high. Um, 494 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: I think i'd probably put it around a six to 495 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: a seven right now. Is that typical for mid October 496 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: for you guys to have around a six or seven 497 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: for buck movement? Um? Honestly, no, I think typically it's 498 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: a little less than that. We're having some at least 499 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: for Oklahoma standards, extreme weather shift. We're in the mid 500 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: forties right now, and I think that's kind of attributing 501 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: to bucks being on their feet a little more. Typically 502 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: it's still highs in the up seventies, low eighties kind 503 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: of thing, and so typically this is kind of that 504 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: October lull, uh so to speak time of time frame. 505 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: So I think with this weather, the rain that we've 506 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 1: been having, crops are up a little more than typically 507 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,239 Speaker 1: they usually are this time of year. I think that's 508 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: kind of all attributing to a higher buck activity for 509 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: this year. The story in much of the Midwestern Great 510 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: Plains has been rain over these last few weeks. Is 511 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: that something that's affected you guys in Oklahoma as well? Yes, sir, Yeah, 512 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: we've had, uh, depending on where you're at on the ranch, 513 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: somewhere between fourteen and about eighteen inches in rain in 514 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: the last two weeks. Um. I don't think it's affected 515 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: the deer uh negatively, um or at least what I've 516 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of our creature up and just 517 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: as far as us getting around and check things, it's 518 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: affected that. But as far as deer movement and dear 519 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: being out and about, um, I don't think it's affected 520 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: it negatively in any in the aspect. Right now, What 521 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: are you seeing for signmaking in the woods. I think 522 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: I think bucks are hits about five fifty here on 523 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: the ranch right now. I'm still seeing dear bachelord up, 524 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: still moving in groups, but I'm also seeing dear her 525 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: groups starting to break up a lot more scrape activity 526 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: and starting that seeking phase a little bit um as 527 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: far as this time of year, So I think for 528 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: right now we're about a fifty fifty split and the 529 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: weather is supposed to stay consistent. So I see bucks 530 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: really starting to hit scrapes, really starting to start moving 531 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: toward that rut time frame, uh here in the next 532 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, which should really shape up pretty well 533 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: because we've got muzzleloader season coming up here in about 534 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: a week and uh so it really should shape up 535 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: for a good season for us with that Muzzlelottle opener 536 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: happening at the end of October. What are the conditions 537 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: that would be ideal for you when it comes to 538 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: weather or moon phases or crop status? Uh? Right now, 539 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: if we could keep this consistent weather pattern where our 540 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: highs are in the mid sixties, lows are in that 541 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: mid up or forties, low fifties. Uh and if I 542 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: haven't checked the moon to face calendar or anything. But 543 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: if we could get that rising moon late in the afternoon, 544 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: it would be about as prime conditions as we've had 545 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: for muzzloader opener in the last probably two to three years. 546 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: Weather it seems like the last couple of years we 547 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: still have had highs in the eighties and uh we've 548 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: had some success, but I'm really optimistic on this year 549 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: just do with the weather the way it's playing into 550 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: this opener, I think we should have a high success 551 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: rate with our hunters coming in and around that muzzleloader opener. 552 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: Would you be using any calling techniques rattling, grunting, snorwheeze, 553 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: is anything like that? Yes? Or our deer tend to 554 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: tend to be a little more vocal or at least 555 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: from what I've been seeing on the ranch. And I 556 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: always recommend our guys to bring a drunk to bring 557 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: their horns. Uh, it can't hurt anything. And I think 558 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: with these deer starting to break up and starting to 559 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of established that pay king order, making a grunt 560 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: or hitting the horns is always beneficial b our hunters 561 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: going forward. Thenis next week or so, what do you 562 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: think that bucket activty is going to be on a 563 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: scale of one to ten in Oklahoma. Um, I would 564 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: keep it around that seven mark. Um. I don't want 565 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: to go too much higher than that. I think with 566 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: the weather, I think with everything kind of shaping up 567 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: with a kind of a pre a little bit of 568 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: a pre rut seeking checking scrape phase, I think seven 569 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: is a pretty solid number for the next week or 570 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: so in Oklahoma. Alright, Clay, Well, good luck to you 571 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and your hunters in camp. Thanks for joining me alright. 572 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate Spencer alright and joining me on the line. Next 573 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: is Trey Currents from three or four Outdoors in West 574 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: Virginia now trade in West Virginia. What would you say 575 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: the bucket activity has been lately on a scale of 576 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: one to ten, I'll say the buck activities been around 577 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: a four or five spencer. It's uh, you know, it's 578 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: not been, you know, super shut down. But um, I've 579 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: seen a lot of smaller bucks maybe around the area, 580 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and I feel like a lot of those bigger bucks 581 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: have really been keaning on scrape activity. Um, but a 582 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: little bit of pre rud action. I feel like with 583 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: this cold front coming in and has really been getting 584 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: the bucks on their feet. Are you seeing a lot 585 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: of scrapes in the woods end. You mentioned that mature 586 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: bucks are checking them, but are you finding a lot 587 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: of signmaking in general? Yeah, Actually, you know, uh, seeing 588 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of scrapes pop up um throughout the property 589 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: that we've been hunting. And then also you know, scrapes 590 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: that you know have been there since last year are 591 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: really starting to heat up right now, and uh, definitely 592 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: starting to keen on those and move some trail cameras 593 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: around to try to locate where these big bucks are 594 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: hitting those in the daylight hours. It seems like a 595 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: lot of hunters in your area are focused on acorns 596 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: right now. How about you, guys at three or four outdoors, 597 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: what food sources are you interested in this time of year? Yeah, 598 00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: definitely definitely acorns right now. Um, we try to establish 599 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: um acorns have an overlying factor on our deer movement, 600 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: and we've had a huge mass production this year, so 601 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: I feel like that's you know, definitely a good spot 602 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: to see you know a lot of deer um throughout 603 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: the day whenever you're sitting, So there's never you know, 604 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: there's never a bad option of you know, going and 605 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: sitting on an acorn flat throughout the day. How about 606 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: as we get into November, or is your focus for 607 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: food sources going to be the same and staying with 608 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: acorns and we start looking to something else. No, I 609 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't say staying for acorns. I think, you know, first 610 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: in November, UM, a lot of our properties and properties 611 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: that I hunt, my dear start to transition um into 612 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: the you know, thicker cover um and then definitely start 613 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: hitting uh some green forge. As far as you know, 614 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: our fall plots that we've we've had established the turn ups, 615 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: winter week, et cetera. And UM, I really feel like 616 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, deer masure deer um you know, three or 617 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: four or five year old deer or really they starting 618 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: to get on their feet as far as you know, 619 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: pushing those around, and I feel like a food source 620 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: you know is good for those. But as far as 621 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, just you know, trying to hold those deer down, 622 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: I think these deer are really starting to target think 623 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: it's come come in first November and really start to 624 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: pending these deer down within that area. And that's where 625 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: we see a lot of the movement UM in our 626 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: area around the first November. Some of the hunters though 627 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: with three or four Outdoors have found some success here 628 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: in mid October. What have those setups been like? Yeah, 629 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: those um, those successful setups that we've had thus far. 630 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: Um in the month of October, it's you know, it's 631 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: always a slow month for us around this area. But UM, 632 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: we've mainly just been focusing on getting as close as 633 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: possible to those betting areas that we believe that these 634 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: deer betting areas um that they're you know, betting in, 635 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: and then moving towards those foot sources right at last light. 636 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: And that's where we've had our success this year, is 637 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: in the evenings and having those big bucks that are 638 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: mature moving from those betting areas right at last like 639 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: to those food sources. And I think that's that's where 640 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: we've really made our money this year so far. How 641 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: about calling if you started hitting the rattling antlers together 642 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: yet or you carry your dune tube with I. I've 643 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: carried my stuff with me. I have not hitting anything yet. 644 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: My cameras are starting to show some buck activity as 645 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: far as you know, starting to fight in some pictures 646 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but I I haven't yet, just 647 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: based on I just feel like personally in my area. 648 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: It's it's not you know, really keen knowing right now, 649 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: but I can definitely see that with this, you know, 650 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: the quarter weather coming in and then you know, the 651 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: next week or so really starting to maybe get some 652 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: light running in and hitting the rattling horns. But you know, 653 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: anything you know is capable of happening in the next 654 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and deer really start to start getting 655 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: on fire. So going forward, then, in this next week 656 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: or so, what do you think that bucket activity is 657 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: going to be on a scale of one to tend 658 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: in West Virginia And the next week or so I 659 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: look forward to definitely be probably around a seven UM 660 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: in West Virginia as far as really heating up um. 661 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: And then you know, I think you're really going to 662 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: start to see some mature deer start to get on 663 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: their feet towards the end of the month. Alright, J Well, 664 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: good luck to you and the other hunters at three 665 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: or four Outdoors. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate Spencer. 666 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: Thanks for getting hold of me alright and joining us 667 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: on the line. Next is Kevin Vistison from Deer Hunter 668 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: Podcast in Michigan. Now, Kevin in Michigan, what would you 669 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: say the bucket activity has been lately on a skill 670 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: of one to ten one turn, I'm going to go 671 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: right down the middle and go five. This week might 672 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: be one of the more difficult weeks of hunting that will, 673 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, that will encounter all season. Essentially, the deer 674 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: are out of their summer patterns and they're just settling in. 675 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: You know, those new small game hunters have been in 676 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: the woods now for a couple of weeks as well 677 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: as archery, and the deer starting to get bumped around. 678 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: They're out of their summer patterns. They're starting to move 679 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: into the rut phase. They will, you know, probably not 680 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: do a lot of daylight moving um here in the 681 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: next week or to until the rut you know, starts 682 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: going in, some ghosts start coming into astros and uh, 683 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: then I think people will be able to start capitalizing 684 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: on some some daylight movement. Now. I know you've been 685 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: hunting northern Michigan as well as Southern Michigan lately. How 686 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: those two areas been different for you when it comes 687 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: to seeing buck movement or what do you think the 688 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: rut stages in those areas. I think the biggest thing 689 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: is the food sources Southern Michigan. I mean the food 690 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: sources are similar, but Northern Michigan they're just stretched out 691 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: over a larger area. And obviously all properties are vastly different, 692 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 1: and that has to be taken an account. A piece 693 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: of managed land with food pots is going to hunt 694 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: a lot different than a UM state forests that you're 695 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: competing with pressure and other hunters. But oaks a ton 696 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: of acorns on the ground this season, more than I 697 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: remember seeing UM in any recent history. UM clear cuts 698 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: that were done in this past winter or this early 699 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: spring I've noticed are still green and holding leaves, whereas 700 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: clear cuts that are two or three or you know 701 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: more years older, the leaves have already begin to go 702 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: yellow brown and in some instance has fallen off. So 703 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: those clear cuts that were done this previous season definitely 704 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: have increased the deer activity, where those older cuts the 705 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: deer off of them, and they're already they're on acorns 706 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: and other brows versus. Down here in southern Michigan, the 707 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: food sources can be UM still just a lot of 708 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: stuff is green their natural forage as well as you know, 709 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: any food plots that were done for fall hunting, are 710 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: you know as good as they're going to get really 711 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 1: all season. And the deer on those um, they're tearing 712 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 1: the corn uh down that's not picked yet, and then 713 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that has picked there in those fields at 714 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: night uh on on the stuff that was left over 715 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: from the combine. Are you finding a lot of signmaking 716 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: in the woods right now as far as rubs and scrapes, skill, Yeah, 717 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: scrapes are. I mean every day now they're popping up 718 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: more and more. I checked some trail cameras this morning, 719 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: and just en route to two cameras, I think I 720 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: came across six scrapes. And we had some rain and 721 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: wind here yesterday, so I honestly wouldn't be surprised if 722 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: you know you and all six of them were done 723 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: just last night. We've had cold temperatures, um a lot 724 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: believes are starting to fall. I'm having had the opportunity 725 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,479 Speaker 1: to put these SD cards in and look at them yet, 726 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: but I assume that I'm going to see increased activity. 727 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: And I know, just going off the number of photos 728 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: that were on the cards that you know, it's it's 729 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: a sizeable more amount than the last time I pulled 730 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: cards back in beginning of September, So now you probably 731 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 1: have some of the more pressure deer in the country 732 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: there in Michigan. What are your calling strategies when it 733 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: comes to this time of year, as we even get 734 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: into the rut? Will you call it to those books 735 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: or do you find that typically has a negative reaction 736 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: uh rattling to start wheezing, the real aggressive loud calling. Um. 737 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,239 Speaker 1: All that I've ever seen happen from that is dear, 738 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: run the opposite direction. But if you can, and uh, 739 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: I spend a lot of time in the woods, so 740 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: I hear a lot of deer grunting. And I'll say, 741 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: even from northern Michigan to southern Michigan, the way the 742 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: deer talk to each other sounds just a little bit different. 743 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 1: And if you can identify that one way. I do 744 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: this as I run drill cameras on video mode, so 745 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: with sounds, so I actually get a lot of data 746 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: of deer talking to each other, and through a couple 747 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: of different calls that I use, I'm able to mimic 748 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: that fairly well. And I'll just use real subtle recreations 749 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: of the sounds that I hear. Of these books essentially 750 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 1: when they are you know, in pursuit of a dough 751 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: whether you know, I guess I'll identify it as attending grunt, 752 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: some just short, uh subtle grunts when a buck is 753 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: in pursuit of a doe. And I've had great success 754 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: with that for the course of the last ten years. 755 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: I've probably killed the half dozen bucks in that manner 756 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,760 Speaker 1: by replicating that sound and actually you know, bringing even 757 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: blind calling, uh, just having deer come in to investigate. 758 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: And I've passed a lot of year and a half 759 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 1: old bucks doing that. But every now and then a 760 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: nice two and a half year old or three and 761 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: a half will come in to investigate, and that's been 762 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: a a great Um, that's the only way I've ever 763 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: been effective to call and kill dear year in my state. 764 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: Going forward, Then, in the sixt week or so, what 765 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: do you think that bucket activity is going to be 766 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten in Michigan? I 767 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: would say that it's going to start to increase, provided 768 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: that people are conscious of how intrusive they're being with 769 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,319 Speaker 1: their properties and the places they hunt. Um, these deer 770 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,399 Speaker 1: are moving at night every night right now, So if 771 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: you're don't allow them to pattern you before you patterned 772 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: them and they do that pretty quickly. If you go 773 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: to a tree stand one or two times, I'm pretty 774 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: confident that those deer will come across that scent and 775 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: they will. I d where you are, Um, you have 776 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: to be on your toes, um. And if you're doing that, 777 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: if you're not letting them get ahead of you, and 778 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: you're staying ahead of them, then I would say over 779 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: the course of the next week, things are gonna you know, 780 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: increase where we'll be getting into the sixes and the 781 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: sevens and by Halloween. Um, you know, from Halloween to 782 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: essentially November. Um, you know that whole beginning, latter part 783 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: of November is is just gold. So all right, Kevin, 784 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 1: good luck in Michigan, and thank you for joining me. 785 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: Thanks Spencer, and that concludes this week's episode of Wired 786 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: to Hunt's Radio. Thank you to Todd, Clay, Trey and 787 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: Kevin for joining me, and thank you guys for listening. 788 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: As always, make sure you're following Wire to Hunt on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, 789 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: and YouTube, and follow me Spener New Hearth and my 790 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 1: blog rut Fresh on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram as well. 791 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: The next time I talked to you, guys, we are 792 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: going to be in the October twenties, and I'm really 793 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: excited to finally get some reports where people are talking 794 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: about seeking and chasing and pre ruts and just anything 795 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: that has the word rut involved, because we're pulling up