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Speaker 1: s K Selects this week, I've chosen how McCarthyism works. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: it seems like it's always a pertinent time to cover

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Speaker 1: And I hope it opened some eyes might not otherwise

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Speaker 1: have been open. Uh. To our friends in the gay community.

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Speaker 1: to think we've evolved somewhat since then. But still sorry

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Speaker 1: about that. Uh. And just as a final note, you

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Speaker 1: defunct that's come up at the end of the episode.

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Speaker 1: Contest has come and gone and it was fun. So

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Speaker 1: enjoy this Stuff you Should Know Selects. Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: you Should Know from House Stuff Works dot com. The

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Speaker 1: dream Police, they get me out of my bed in

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Speaker 1: my head right, the dream Police, I live inside of

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Speaker 1: my head. Okay, Well come to me in my bed. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so glad you're here. Mr fourty year

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Speaker 1: old guy. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: and that is Chuck Bryant. Is that how we're starting? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: All right, and uh, since we started, since we started

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Speaker 1: They were like these white police uniforms and it was

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Speaker 1: Cheap trick? Oh? Is it? Yeah? No, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: one on one tour. So I'm Josh. That's Chuck Charles

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Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant. And this is the weirdest intro we've

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Speaker 1: Uh STU. Words can only afford so much tape, so

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Speaker 1: questioned by McCarthy and said, we're not cooperating. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: claim our First Amendment right to free speech. And eight

425
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 1: were sentenced to a year in prison, to who received

426
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Speaker 1: six month sentences and out of the black list, and

427
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: that was the Waldorf Statement, very famously was issued. Um,

428
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: the head of the m p a A met with

429
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: basically the member of every major Hollywood studio behind closed doors,

430
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: developed their blacklist, released the Waldorf statement because it was

431
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: at Waldorf Historia and said, uh, these people aren't gonna

432
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: work again, and hear their names, and I think only

433
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: at the end, out of the three hundred and something,

434
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: only about ten percent ever like worked again. It's so sad,

435
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Burgess Meredith, he was on the list. He worked again.

436
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: He was great in the Rocky movies. Oh and Batman.

437
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah remember the point um so zero Mustel he was

438
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: on there. He was creating the Producers pizza here he

439
00:25:45,760 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: was folk singer. Uh so. Um. There were like real

440
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: repercussions of this, not just you know, basically a single

441
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: senator deciding that he was going to interpret the Constitution

442
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: anyway liked um, not just whipping up this fear among

443
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: the average American person. Um, but there were people whose

444
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: careers were ruined, whose lives were ruined, who who just

445
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: lost their livelihoods because they went to a Communist meeting

446
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: or something ten years before or maybe even we're communists.

447
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: Probably The big problem with this is um McCarthy took

448
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: a really iron rand esque approach to this, where he

449
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of interpreted allowing Hollywood to bows any kind of

450
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: um communist ideas as a moral crime, just like um

451
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, recently, Congress tried to go after um MPR

452
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: for having liberal bias. They were going to cut off

453
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: its funding. It's very randy in where it's a moral

454
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: crime to support something that's trying to destroy you, and

455
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: McCarthy definitely had that that viewpoint, and I think that's

456
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: why he was going after Hollywood himself or at least

457
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: supporting it well, because yeah, they were supposedly making movies

458
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: that subversively, you know, supported communism. But the problem is

459
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: is that's going after the intellectuals. He's not going after

460
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: the spies any longer. He's going after communist thinkers, like

461
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: people who aren't trying to overthrow the government. They just

462
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: think communism is a better idea, and that's when that's

463
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: it's going after spies. I don't think anybody really has

464
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 1: a problem with that, but he went well beyond that.

465
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: So that, combined with his tactics, have basically smeared his

466
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: name through the mud. For the rest of history. It's true. Uh,

467
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: if you're interested in some good movies on on the

468
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Blacklist era Guilty by Suspicion as one DeNiro really good movie,

469
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: and good Night and good Luck of course, which was awesome,

470
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: or just read The Crucible that was great. Arthur Miller

471
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: famously in nineteen fifty three wrote a play that was

472
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: a very thinly veiled attack on McCarthy is m by

473
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: way of the Uh. The portal was the the witch Hunts,

474
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: the Salem witch Trials switch. It's basically like, here's what's

475
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: going on now, Goodie McCarthy right, Surprisingly didn't just outright

476
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: say it. Um. Also he went after Um books too.

477
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: He apparently had people scan the libraries for books that

478
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: contain anti American sentiments. They identified thirty thousand titles and

479
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: purged libraries of these books. What a jerk, so Um said,

480
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: you said it, so chuck this guy. At one point

481
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: in for it his peak, there was a poll taken

482
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: that found it was a gallop pole. So you know

483
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: that's quality. Uh. Fifty percent of the American people had

484
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: a favorable opinion of McCarthy, Like I don't think Ronald

485
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: Reagan even ever had. Yeah, and everybody loved Uncle Ronnie. Well,

486
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: that was in January, that same pole taken in June.

487
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: I saw that number of fall tot for very good reason.

488
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: What happened, What happened. What happened was he made the well,

489
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: he didn't make the mistake. Uh President Eisenhower. For the

490
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: very first time in broadcast history, he said, let's broadcast

491
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: these hearings and this at this time, it wasn't the

492
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood Blacklist hearings. That was the his war on the Army. Yeah,

493
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: which is a bad move to do when your president

494
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: is a decorated general from the last war, like five

495
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: years before. Yeah. It was called the Army McCarthy hearings,

496
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: broadcast in nineteen fifty four on live television, and after

497
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: some one of a mundane start to the hearings, he

498
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: started accusing very heavily decorated and respected Army officers of

499
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: not being fit to wear the uniform. He told Brigadier

500
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: General Ralph Wicker, he compared him mentally to a five

501
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: year old, said he was a disgrace to the uniform.

502
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: And then everyone watching this on TV, it's like, wait

503
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: a minute, wait, this is what he's been doing. This

504
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: guy is a total jerk. Yeah, because before they were UM,

505
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: there were transcripts and there were minutes, but they were classified. Yeah,

506
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: well they weren't out. The media was also very sympathetic,

507
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: so they're portraying everything in a real light. So basically

508
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: Eisenhower was like, I'm gonna give you a little rope

509
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and I think you'll go hang yourself with it, and

510
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: he did, UM, and the American public turned on him

511
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: like crazy Truman or I'm sorry, not Truman, but Eisenhower.

512
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: UM also instructed as Vice President Richard Nixon to go

513
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: speak vaguely but publicly against McCarthy, which he did, which

514
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: gave the media tested approval to go after McCarthy. Gave

515
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: who the media, but who did he get to? Nixon?

516
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: Nixon was Eisenhower's VP, and Nix him out there was like,

517
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: oh okay, I love the UM and he uh yeah.

518
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: After that, the floodgates open and all of a sudden,

519
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: everybody was all against McCarthy because basically Nixon had been

520
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: like a government against McCarthy too, and the Army started

521
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: feeding the media. Army intelligence had dirt McCarthy. He used

522
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,719
Speaker 1: his office or tried to unsuccessfully UM to influence the

523
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: army to keep from drafting um David Shine, Roy Cohn's

524
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: lover or aid um. And it didn't work. And then

525
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: once he was drafted, they he used he tried to

526
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: use his influence again to get the army to take

527
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: it easy on the guy so that he wouldn't go

528
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: into battle. Um. So they released that to the media.

529
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: So this guy who's like, you know, smearing decorated army

530
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: generals on TV right, has has tried to use his

531
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: power to keep somebody else from having to serve. That

532
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't play very well either. So basically they centure him, right, Yeah,

533
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: they said, you know what, uh, we don't like you anymore.

534
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the official statement, because we don't like

535
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: you anymore. Um cruel and reckless. And he was centered

536
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: by a vote of sixty to twenty two. Originally in

537
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: nineteen there were forty six charges of abuse of legislative power,

538
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: but they reduced that to two. Or they only centured

539
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: him onto because they didn't want to appear like there

540
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: were big softies on communism. They were trying to strike

541
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: the right balance of getting him out of there without

542
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: looking like there you know, commues themselves. Um. So He

543
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: remained uh in office at least for a little while

544
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: longer um, but at age forty eight in nineteen fifty seven,

545
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: he died of acute hepatitis from alcohol abuse. If you're

546
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: forty eight and you die from alcohol abuse, then you've

547
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: been drinking since you were one and a half. Yeah,

548
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: he said. Apparently read some biography a bit that said

549
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: that he when he was on the wagon, that meant

550
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: he just drank beer and didn't drink whiskey. So when

551
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: he quit drinking, that meant he only drank beer. He

552
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: was like Dennis Hopper and Hoosiers, except in the Senate.

553
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Very powerful. Wait, so he was like Ted Kennedy. Well,

554
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: he was actually a friend of the Kennedy's, which is

555
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: weird because Kennedy's were very liberal obviously, but he was Catholic.

556
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: He identified with the Kennedy's because they were Catholic. Joseph

557
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: Kennedy was big anti communist, and he thought, Hey, if

558
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: I can help this guy get into office, then that

559
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: will be a good road paved for other Catholics. Like

560
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: my son's Johnny, like my Johnny, my Bobby, and like

561
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: I said earlier, he dated two of the daughters supposedly

562
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: and um, well not supposedly he did. I just don't

563
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: know what went on on those dates. And um uh

564
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: John Kennedy was very quiet about this whole thing. He

565
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: never came out and attacked him because Uh McCarthy was

566
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: very uh had a lot of sway in campaigning against

567
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: Democrats and elections, and he never did that too to

568
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy. So Kennedy kind of laid off when

569
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: it came time to attack McCarthy. And I think Bobby

570
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: Kennedy actually worked with him. Well, that was another abuse,

571
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: Like basically he used this whole hysteria and the power

572
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: given to him by by targeting New Deal Democrats and

573
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: basically helping further Republican policies rather than going after the communists. Yeah.

574
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: He he was quoted at one time saying that Democrats

575
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: uh had been operating on quote twenty years of treason.

576
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: He accused them of being treasonist Democrats and Truman um

577
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: once referred to him as the best asset the Kremlin

578
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: has and said he was out the set abotage with

579
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: the foreign policy of the United States. So man, they

580
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: were not. They did. He did not get along with anyone,

581
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: so chuck outside of his group. Of course, here's the kicker,

582
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: as shamed and publicly humiliated and just kicked to the curb.

583
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Joseph McCarthy. The big jerk was he was writing a

584
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: lot of instances. He was in a way. Um, I

585
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: have a historian on my on my speed dial named

586
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: John Earl Haynes. He went over the Venona transcripts and

587
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 1: his conclusion was that out of a hundred and fifty

588
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: nine people identified by McCarthy, nine of them were aiding

589
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Soviet espionage efforts. And he said a majority of those

590
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: could legitimately have been considered risks, but a substantial minority

591
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: could not. So he said he has nine people, which

592
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: included a captain in the navy, Uh, Davy, he was

593
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: still in the Navy, And imagine he would be for

594
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: life to two atomic spies, someone who held meetings with

595
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: Churchill and Roosevelt. Yeah, who who is that? I don't know.

596
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't find out. I'm very curious. Um, and somebody

597
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: who held the top office in today's equivalent of the

598
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: c I A, oh yeah, it also says ten senior

599
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: level officials. Uh. We're also later shown to have had

600
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: Communist ties. Even though they weren't necessarily a security risk, right,

601
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: so there were a Um, you can also make the

602
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: case that if you cast a wide enough net, you're

603
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: gonna catch some some tuna along with the sea spiders.

604
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: As the old saying goes, Yeah, it's it's still divided

605
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: like some people and culture loves the guy now and said,

606
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, history has shown that he was right about it.

607
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: All is. She's still around. Yeah, she's alive. Okay, well

608
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think having to her?

609
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: I just thought she fell off the radar. Oh, I

610
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, she's not on my radar, but I'm

611
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: sure she's on somebody's radar. She's on Bill Mar's radar.

612
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: She's on um oh man, Ted Nugent's radar. Really yeah, man,

613
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: he used to uh he he would guest host for

614
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Neil Boort's years back. And I heard her on his

615
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: show once and um, He's like, I'm look, I'm just

616
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: a guitar player. And she stopped him. She's like, I

617
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: love it when you say that. It was like really wow.

618
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: Like I was like, if I were Ted Nugent's wife,

619
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: I'd be mad. Right now. That's a little creepy. You

620
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: got anything else? No, So in this episode, if you

621
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: come across the stuff, you should know quiz that mentions

622
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: the McCarthy ism episode. The four bands that made an

623
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: appearance were Cheap Trick Yep, the Dixie Chicks, Billy Joel,

624
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: and Ted Nugent. You knew, I don't know. The Billy

625
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: Joel that was a cheap one. It was good. It

626
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: was good man. Um. So that's about it for McCarthy ism.

627
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: It's still alive today. Instead of communists, we know, target

628
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: Muslims what a lot of people say, um, and the

629
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks Muslims in the Dixie Chicks. Basically anybody who

630
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: opposes America invading other countries. That's the new McCarthy ism.

631
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: All right. Um, I could throw an r M reference

632
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: in there already I already said it. We're not gonna

633
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: exum him what exuming McCarthy's r M? Oh is it? Well?

634
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Speaker 1: How did you wait this long to throw that in?

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