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Speaker 2: Come?

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Speaker 3: Come, Come, Come.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: The leaders of the Sanhedrin accuse you of peaching perverted doctrine.

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Speaker 5: They also say, you call yourself the king of the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Well, are you king of the Jews?

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Speaker 5: If my kingdom were of this world, my followers would

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Speaker 1: Therefore you must be a king. Are you a king?

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Speaker 5: I was born for one purpose, to bear witness to

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Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome aboard to the chronicles of the Christians.

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Speaker 6: This is a journey unlike any you've embarked upon before,

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Speaker 6: breathing testament to faith, power and the divine. This isn't

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Speaker 6: your typical Sunday school lesson. This is history with its

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Speaker 6: We'll explore the miracles of healing, of resurrection, of divine

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Speaker 2: This is the Chronicles of the Christians.

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Speaker 6: All right, we're back Chronicles of the Christians. Jack Posobc

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Speaker 6: What's up, Blake, Jack, It's very very good to be here. So, Blake,

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Speaker 6: what is this Christianity thing? You know, we hear about it.

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Speaker 3: not as not holding value. And that was a big

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Speaker 3: innovation of Christianity, and I think that's one of the

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Speaker 3: most important things. It's not just that Christianity is monotheistic.

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Speaker 3: There had been other monotheistic religions, and there was a

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Speaker 3: trend towards a more monotheistic.

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Speaker 1: A Judaism time.

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Speaker 6: Judaism obviously was a monotheistic religion, and there were tons

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Speaker 6: of Jews that lived in Rome, the city and also

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Speaker 6: obviously throughout the Empire.

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Speaker 1: But you don't really.

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Speaker 6: Yes, you don't see that level of some obviously who

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Speaker 6: are even citizens, and but you don't necessarily see that

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Speaker 6: level of spiritual or theological acceptance of Judaism anywhere in

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Speaker 6: the Roman elite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not nearly as much.

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Speaker 3: And you do even see a trend, like I say,

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Speaker 3: towards a monotheistic attitude. So, for example, there's a cult

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Speaker 3: of this syncretic Egyptian Greek god named Serrapis, and this

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Speaker 3: is a big god in the East, and it is

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Speaker 3: people do go towards that faith, and you start seeing

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Speaker 3: people say things like, yeah, there are other gods, but

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Speaker 3: like Syrapis is definitely the number one god, and he's

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Speaker 3: cooler than the other ones, and he answers prayers that

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Speaker 3: other gods won't necessarily answer. There's a trend there. But

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Speaker 3: Christianity really is a level up over this where they're

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Speaker 3: very strong. It's a very strong belief in, you know,

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Speaker 3: this monotheistic god. But also just the level of moral

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Speaker 3: seriousness they bring to it is such an ad ants

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Speaker 3: over paganism there. In paganism, the gods are just are

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Speaker 3: much more capricious. They might the gods might have moral

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Speaker 3: expectations of you, but they don't necessarily listen to prayers,

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Speaker 3: and they don't the gods themselves are often not very

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Speaker 3: moral beings. You know, you have the famous stories where

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Speaker 3: Zeus has slept with every single woman, which is probably

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Speaker 3: some holdover from you know, every town had its own

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Speaker 3: chief god, and they all got merged into Zeus.

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Speaker 1: And Christianity was just such.

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Speaker 3: An advance on that of a God who individually cares

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Speaker 3: about you, who like your fate is, he cares deeply

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Speaker 3: about your spiritual faith, and he has very sincere expectations

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Speaker 3: for you that our faith. Our faith carries with it

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Speaker 3: moral commandments that we expect people to follow. And this

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Speaker 3: seems to have just really worked and resonated with people.

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Speaker 3: I think one of the most incredible things about Christian history,

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Speaker 3: and we can talk more about this if you want,

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Speaker 3: is one of the reasons Christianity wins is it really

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Speaker 3: embeds itself into people's mindsets. They think this is the way,

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Speaker 3: like the faith that the world needs. And you have elites,

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Speaker 3: you have so wealthy, very powerful people spreading it for

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Speaker 3: centuries on.

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Speaker 6: End, and so I want to get into that in

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Speaker 6: the next segment here, but let me just ask you

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Speaker 6: that question right there is did they actually believe it

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Speaker 6: or was it all just cynical?

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Speaker 1: They one percent believed that what they did makes no

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Speaker 1: sense unless millions of people really believed.

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Speaker 6: This, millions of people really and truly cared about Christianity

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Speaker 6: and the Christian project to bring it forward through the ages,

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Speaker 6: starting in the Roman Empire all the.

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Speaker 2: Way up to today.

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Speaker 6: That's something that we need to talk about because that

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Speaker 6: is absolutely fascinating and you're not going to hear this

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Speaker 6: anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: Episode with Blake Nef Moore The Rise of Christianity, Chronicles

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Speaker 6: of the Christians. Ladies and jentleen, Welcome aboard today's edition

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Speaker 6: of Human Events Daily.

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Speaker 1: It's very clear what's going on here. Everything that you've

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Speaker 1: seen it boils down to this Human Events with Jack Pasobic.

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Speaker 6: Okay, folks, we're back here, Jack PROSOBC, Blake Nef The

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Speaker 6: Chronicles of the Christians, The Rise of Christianity.

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Speaker 6: All right, Blake, So we're talking about this idea that

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Speaker 6: the early Christians and the Christians as Europe became Christian,

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Speaker 6: and we're talking kings and elites and lords and all

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Speaker 6: of these other royals that this wasn't just some cynical

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Speaker 6: you know one off. Oh you know, we're doing this

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Speaker 6: because the Emperor said too that they actually devoutly believed

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Speaker 6: in Christianity. And you and I were talking prior to

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Speaker 6: the episode that one of the ways that we see

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Speaker 6: this is through the founding of the great monasteries, which

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Speaker 6: really become the blueprint for universities. But the fact that

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Speaker 6: tons of money the equivalent of like billions of dollars

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Speaker 6: today were spent on this project.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly the case, Jack.

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Speaker 3: They we have pretty good source records on this that

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Speaker 3: you know, we'll have people's wills where they'll leave money

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Speaker 3: for this, and you know, of course we have the

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Speaker 3: sites the monasteries themselves. We have people are spending Yeah,

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Speaker 3: as you say, millions and billions of modern day dollars

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Speaker 3: to establish churches, to establish monasteries, to support priests, to

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Speaker 3: support mission work in other places. And the author of

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Speaker 3: that book I mentioned, he says the word he uses

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Speaker 3: is like staggering, Like he says, the numbers are practically unbelievable,

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Speaker 3: except that it's so well attested that they actually did this.

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Speaker 3: And you know, obviously it's monasteries where there's an element

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Speaker 3: where you'd build a church and the monks there would

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Speaker 3: pray for your soul and all of that stuff. But

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Speaker 3: even like the Christianization of the public, a big reason

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Speaker 3: this happens.

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Speaker 1: It used to be.

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Speaker 3: The vast majority of churches in early Europe were built

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Speaker 3: by lay people. They were basically a private endeavor. You

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Speaker 3: would endow a church for the people within the lands

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Speaker 3: that you ruled, and.

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Speaker 1: The vast majority of churches are built this way.

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Speaker 3: And a notable thing that he hits upon is once

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Speaker 3: they scaled this back, and they had reasons for scaling

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Speaker 3: it back, because you had a lot of simony where

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Speaker 3: you know, you'd you'd endow.

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Speaker 1: A church, and then you'd go to name who.

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Speaker 3: The priest was, and oh, the priest is your nephew,

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Speaker 3: and then he collects the tithe There was stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But once that went away, the number of new churches

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Speaker 3: went down and it was much more difficult to get

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Speaker 3: those churches founded. So for hundreds and hundreds of years

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Speaker 3: you have the case where Christianity is mostly spreading as

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Speaker 3: a private endeavor that not you know, as in, it's

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Speaker 3: not the pope or you know, a central organization that's

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Speaker 3: doing all the missionary activity. It's thousands and thousands, really

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Speaker 3: millions and millions of lay Christians are doing it.

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Speaker 1: You'll have all of these, all of.

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Speaker 3: These religious figures who decide I want to go become

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Speaker 3: a missionary, and they'll go into Saxony, they'll go into Poland,

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Speaker 3: they'll go into Scandinavia, they'll go into Russia, preaching Christianity

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Speaker 3: in dangerous places, and a lot of them die there.

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Speaker 3: We have no shortage of accounts of these individuals getting martyred.

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Speaker 3: Some of them get martyred five minutes after they walk

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Speaker 3: over the bord. They were very tough people they were

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Speaker 3: running into and we just have so many accounts like this,

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Speaker 3: so many that it's impossible to it's simply impossible to

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Speaker 3: argue that these are all made up or exaggerated.

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Speaker 1: There's just too much of it.

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Speaker 3: It just overflows the number of examples we have, and

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Speaker 3: it really was. People believed in this, and they thought

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Speaker 3: it was important to encourage other people to believe in this.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorites is the English of the Dark Ages,

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Speaker 3: early Middle Ages, the Anglo Saxons. They were very aware,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're part Saxon, we came from Saxony. And

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Speaker 3: so you have a ton of English missionaries who go

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Speaker 3: to Saxony in modern day Germany because they think it's

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Speaker 3: very important we need to get the other Saxons to

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Speaker 3: become Christians because they are brethren there this is our

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Speaker 3: homeland and they should join the Christian faith. And tons

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Speaker 3: of them do this, and eventually they do succeed.

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Speaker 6: And that's what's so amazing, because I do think that

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Speaker 6: part of this that is well known to a lot

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Speaker 6: of people that through the Middle Ages, it's in this

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Speaker 6: monastery system where we get the ideas of higher learning,

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Speaker 6: where the Bible is of course hand copied, hand copied

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Speaker 6: down again remember this is prior to the printing press,

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Speaker 6: prior to any of that folks. So where the Bible

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Speaker 6: itself is hand copied word for word, translated here and

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Speaker 6: there into the various monasteries. You have the Book of Kels,

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Speaker 6: which again in Ireland speaks to the ancient Irish tradition

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Speaker 6: of spreading Christianity. And it's through this system that they

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Speaker 6: really were able to preserve the document of the Bible

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Speaker 6: as well as keep the flame of the faith throughout

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Speaker 6: the entire Middle Ages, which is the time, as we know,

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Speaker 6: we're just brought with warfare and constant threats on all sides.

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Speaker 6: That it was the fact that you had kings and

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Speaker 6: knights and lords that truly believed in it and believed

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Speaker 6: that having this religion would be the best way forward

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Speaker 6: for their people that actually kept it together. And at

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Speaker 6: one point, and we'll be going further in depth in

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Speaker 6: all of this. In this period you have the founding

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Speaker 6: of Oxford as a university, and you even have the

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Speaker 6: building of the Notre Dame, the founding of that almost

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Speaker 6: a thousand years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: And just I'm looking at my notes here, just all

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Speaker 3: of the some of the fascinating stuff that was going

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Speaker 3: on in this period that would just capture the enthusiasm

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Speaker 3: for it.

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Speaker 1: There was one this is interesting.

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Speaker 3: So during the eight hundreds, of course, Spain was conquered

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Speaker 3: by Muslims, and you had Christians living under Muslim lords.

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Speaker 3: And in the eight hundreds there was a fad where

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Speaker 3: Christians in Cordoba, which was a Muslim city, they would

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Speaker 3: come out and they would publicly denounce Islam and say

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Speaker 3: they're Christians, and then they would be put to death

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Speaker 3: for this, because you weren't allowed to do that. And

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Speaker 3: there was actually a big debate among Christian leaders which

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Speaker 3: was are these people martyrs because martyredom Properly, you're not

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Speaker 3: supposed to intentionally seek death. You accept death if it

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Speaker 3: is inflicted on you, but you don't. It's you can't

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Speaker 3: just do it as a fancy way to commit suicide.

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Speaker 3: So they had to tell people you should affirm your faith,

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Speaker 3: but you should not go recklessly commit suicide in the

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Speaker 3: city of Cordoba.

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Speaker 1: And it's just.

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Speaker 3: Amazing to read something like that, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: see some loser on the internet who just says, ah,

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Speaker 3: they were part timing to in Christianity, lets you control

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Speaker 3: people like dork losers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's it's kind of a joke when you

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Speaker 6: actually look back, and so this is one of those

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Speaker 6: myths and just talk a little bit about how people

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Speaker 6: totally get this wrong, especially your typical like redd and

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Speaker 6: atheist type.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you run into all of these like

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Speaker 3: the bizarre takes where it's so clear, I think that

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Speaker 3: they've never like they've never been around people of faith,

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Speaker 3: they've never been in a like really avid faith community.

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Speaker 3: So they come up with these bizarre narratives where oh,

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Speaker 3: like everyone just does it to get money or to

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Speaker 3: get wealth or to get status, and it's totally alien

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Speaker 3: to them.

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Speaker 1: It's alien to them.

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Speaker 3: That someone would sacrifice a great deal, like a huge

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Speaker 3: amount of wealth a huge amount of time, potentially their

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Speaker 3: very life, that they would sacrifice that for an idea,

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Speaker 3: an idea that they really truly believed in. And yet

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Speaker 3: throughout the Middle Ages we have countless cases of people

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Speaker 3: doing this, and in ancient times too, during the early

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Speaker 3: so clear that this is hugely important to people that

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Speaker 3: they would dedicate their entire lives to this. In a

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Speaker 3: period where life is life is relatively cheap, your life

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Speaker 3: is not as long, you don't have a secure retirement

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Speaker 3: to look forward to, things can be very tenuous, and

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Speaker 3: people growing up in that environment they think, I like,

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Speaker 3: what am I going to do? I Am going to

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Speaker 3: dedicate my life to God, and I'm going to try

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Speaker 3: to dedicate it to bringing God to the Heathens, whether

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Speaker 3: they're in my own country or in another country. And

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Speaker 3: that's one of the most remarkable things with Christianity is

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Speaker 3: them taking their faith of their locality and saying, I

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Speaker 3: want my enemy to accept the saith. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go to the place where they send raiders they kill us,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to preach the word of God to them.

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Speaker 6: And they did so because they had devout and deep

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Speaker 6: faith in Christ, the true rise of Christianity. The chronicles

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Speaker 6: of the Christians will be right back.

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Speaker 4: Let's make them wonder, Let's squeeze them for a change

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Speaker 6: All right, folks are back the chronicles of the Christians,

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Speaker 6: there's something pretty big that happens in ten fifty four,

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Speaker 6: and that's called the Great Schism where the church this

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Speaker 6: and obviously there have been other schisms and uh there

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Speaker 6: have been different sects and things that have broken up.

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Speaker 6: But this, this is the really big one that people

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Speaker 6: point back to. The Church basically splits into West and East,

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Speaker 6: And personally, I've always viewed it as kind of, you know,

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Speaker 6: just just kind of political in nature, because this is

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Speaker 6: where you also kind of see Byzantium is growing in

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Speaker 6: has totally changed its character into uh, into a different

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Speaker 6: you know, different kingdoms and different areas where you know,

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Speaker 6: the the Western Empire is like just not the Roman

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Speaker 6: Empire anymore. You've got different kingdoms people claim to the

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Speaker 6: Roman Empire, et cetera. But Byzantium really becomes the home

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Speaker 6: of Eastern Christianity. Talk to me a little about the

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Speaker 6: Great Schism.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Great Schism for those a lot of

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Speaker 3: our viewers are probably Protestant, they might not be familiar.

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Speaker 3: There's divisions within the church that pre date the Reformation

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Speaker 3: in the fifteen hundreds, which broke up Western Christianity. So initially,

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Speaker 3: of course, ideally there is only one Christian faith community,

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Speaker 3: but they do like to argue about things. They disagree

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Speaker 3: about things, and so one of the big disputes. By

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Speaker 3: ten fifty, you've got a big growing chasm between Christianity

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Speaker 3: as it's practiced in the eastern part of the Mediterranean,

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Speaker 3: in the Greek Byzantine Empire, the Roman Empire what you

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Speaker 3: might call it, and then the West, which is where

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Speaker 3: there's the Pope in Rome. And then you have tons

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Speaker 3: of different kingdoms in Spain, in France, in England and

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Speaker 3: Ireland and Germany, all these places, and they just they've

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Speaker 3: diverged in their practices, they've diverged in their beliefs. In

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Speaker 3: the West, there was increasingly the sense that the Pope

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Speaker 3: in Rome was the boss, the number one guy to

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Speaker 3: look to for guidance. In the East they tended to

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Speaker 3: disagree with that. They also had some religious disputes that

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Speaker 3: would seem that it would be very confusing to a

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Speaker 3: lot of people today. For example, there's a huge debate

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Speaker 3: over something called the filioque. If you are familiar with

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Speaker 3: the Nicene Creed, it's where the Holy Spirit, we say

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Speaker 3: in the West will say it proceeds from the Father

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Speaker 3: and from the Son. In the Eastern Creed it just

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Speaker 3: proceeds from the Father. And this is a huge debate.

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Speaker 3: This is if we didn't have this dispute, the Great

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Speaker 3: schism might not have happened, but they did schism over that,

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Speaker 3: and when.

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Speaker 1: They did, they thought it was going to be temporary.

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Speaker 3: It was they'd split before and then they'd reunited and

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Speaker 3: they just had a fractious relationship. But ten point fifty four,

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Speaker 3: it turns out, is the one that basically stuck. The

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Speaker 3: churches have not reunited since then, and that paves the

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Speaker 3: way towards today where you can say, unfortunately, we have

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Speaker 3: a huge diversity of Christian churches that are not in

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Speaker 3: accord with one another, are often very hostile to one another,

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Speaker 3: and that should trouble us. It might be inevitable, we're

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Speaker 3: humans that this would happen, but it should trouble us

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Speaker 3: because we want there to be one community of Christian believers,

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Speaker 3: and instead we have many small communities of Christian believers

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Speaker 3: that are often in conflict with one another. And we

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Speaker 3: have a duty as Christians to try to heal schisms

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Speaker 3: and to try to prevent new ones from emerging. It

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Speaker 3: is it is I, you know, within the Christian community, you.

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Speaker 6: Know I I just say no, I've been I've been

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Speaker 6: doing my parts, as everybody knows. I'm Catholic. But of

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Speaker 6: course my wife is Orthodox. So you know, I'm going

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Speaker 6: above and beyond over here to heal this, heal the

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Speaker 6: schism in my own personal uh, my own personal capacity.

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Speaker 6: And I have actually taken her to the Vatican and

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Speaker 6: we've discussed the Philly oquay in the Sistine Chapel. But

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Speaker 6: that is a story for another time. But you know,

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Speaker 6: Blake going going back on this and before we before

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Speaker 6: we end part one of this here, what's the role

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Speaker 6: of Rome?

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Speaker 1: Just very quickly has.

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Speaker 6: Rome fallen out of of you know, grace? Is it

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Speaker 6: still seen as a position of leadership as the empire fell?

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Speaker 1: What's the role of Rome in the church here in

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Speaker 1: this time?

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Speaker 3: I mean in the West, it's clearly become like the

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Speaker 3: leading voice in Christianity.

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Speaker 1: In the East.

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Speaker 3: It's a little funny because they do regard the Pope

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Speaker 3: as this the Bishop of Rome as at least a

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Speaker 3: first among equals. But it's just a question how much

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Speaker 3: do you defer to them. And one of the issues

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Speaker 3: they had is they still had an emperor who was

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Speaker 3: kind of a quasi religious position, and so they would

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Speaker 3: have an emperor who actually could weigh in on religious questions.

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Speaker 3: And we've moved on from that in the West, but

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Speaker 3: in the East it was much stronger.

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Speaker 1: That caused a lot of issues.

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Speaker 6: And so this becomes a huge, huge point going forward

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Speaker 6: because just about forty years after this in ten ninety six,

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Speaker 6: and we'll talk about this in part two, we get

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Speaker 6: to the start of the first So stay tuned, folks,

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Speaker 6: Jack prosoc Blake Nef be back at you with part

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Speaker 6: two of the Chronicles of the Christians the Crusades. Stay tuned,

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Speaker 6: and thank you once again. I've been Jack, Pasovia, Clods

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