1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Fifteen years with the Giants, two time Super Bowl champ, 9 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: Phil Simms does some college stuff with the Believe Network 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: as well. Oh guy, Phil Simms. See okay, I saw 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: this story. 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: This. 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: Derek Gunn is a longtime reporter in Philadelphia, and he 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: was on the Seth Joiner Show, and I was told 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: during the summer by an executive in the NFL who 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I trust, talked about him. He said, Jalen Hurts is 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of beach to his own drummer. It's not Russell 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: Wilson Seahawks, but he's his own guy. He's not raw, 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: go out beers after the game of the Fellas. He's 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: not that guy. And there was a story Derek Gunn 21 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: reports this week is that he you know, he kind of. 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 4: Runs the offense. 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: He feels like running, and sometimes he frustrates coaches and 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: so between what I heard in that he was just 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: saying is you know, there's some discomfort with Hurts. So 26 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: here's my question to you. Do you have to be 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Brady chugging beers with the rookies? Do you have to 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: be Mahomes where everybody loves him or Peyton Manning would 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: go out to dinner with teammates to. 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 4: Pick up the bill. 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: Do you have to be popular to be a successful. 32 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 4: Long term quarterback. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 5: No, of course you don't, but it does help if 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 5: you are popular and you do certain things and blend 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 5: in with the football team. You know what I know, 36 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts has taken a lot of heat. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 6: For being successful right now in the NFL. 38 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 5: And you know two yes, is he a conservative player 39 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: without question. Doesn't like to throw it over the middle, 40 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 5: doesn't want to throw into tight coverage and make those 41 00:01:58,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 5: type of throws. 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 6: So he's very careful. And listen, when you've. 43 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 5: Got a defense like the Philadelphia Eagles, it's not the 44 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 5: worst thing that your offense is being very careful not 45 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: to turn the football over. It's a winning formula for 46 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 5: many teams. I kind of played that way. I didn't 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 5: mean to play that way. But it worked out that 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 5: way when you got a good defense, Why are you 49 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: out there trying to show everybody you can score thirty. 50 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 6: And forty points? 51 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: And you know, I think we saw something from Dalen 52 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: Hurts last year. This same thing was going on. And 53 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 5: then what happens. He goes to the Super Bowl and 54 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 5: all of a sudden he becomes man, he becomes Tom 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 5: Brady and the Super Bowl wins the MVP. 56 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: So you had a year back in the eighties, you 57 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl and through twenty two picks. I 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: have always defended interception quarterbacks. I defend Lway, I defend 59 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning. Aaron Rodgers was one of the 60 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: first quarterbacks in my life that you got all the 61 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: upside and no picks. That thing used to I mean, 62 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: at the bottom line is throw a ball down the 63 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: damn field like dink and dumb guys. So Donald has 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: Donald has nine games three plus picks, Andrew Luck had 65 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: nine games three or plus picks. It doesn't he may 66 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: never He's not as good as Luck. He may never 67 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. 68 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: But I like the. 69 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: Fact that Sam tows a horrible pick and it doesn't 70 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: bother him at all. Where are you on interceptions quarterbacks 71 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: bouncing off mistakes because Donald had a stinker, but Andrew 72 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: Luck had ten stinkers. 73 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a lot there. You know, I'll say this 74 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 6: right off the stuff. 75 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 5: You know, I never had the giants in those years 76 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 5: when we were really win the games. They never said, 77 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 5: you know, Peel, you got to be a little more careful. 78 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 5: You know, Parcelles was not that kind of guy. He 79 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 5: would not get too angry. I mean, sometimes he get 80 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 5: angry because I throw an interception. Go wow, that might 81 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 5: be the dumbest playoff ever made in my career. But 82 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 5: otherwise what you said is true, Man, throw it down 83 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 5: the field. We want big plays. Big plays win games. 84 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 5: And then if I started checking it down too much, 85 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: he goes. He would yell at me and go, oh, what 86 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 5: are you worried? Sim's about your completion percentage? And you know, 87 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 5: just go, hey, I'm just trying to move us down 88 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 5: the field and score right right. So yeah, and Sam Donald, 89 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 5: I would just say this, we know what happened in 90 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 5: the last two games last year with him, and then 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 5: they's playing the game, he's playing against the Rams and 92 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 5: all that. Sometimes as a quarterback, you're only your first, 93 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 5: and you try to do this is I'm not gonna 94 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 5: make that mistake today. Play it careful. If the game 95 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 5: is close, you're playing a really good team, that's all right. 96 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 6: When the time comes, there's. 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: Going to be a big play in the game where 98 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: it's going to be easy for you to make, and 99 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 5: when you do that, it changes the narrative everywhere. 100 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 6: But I was I got to tell you. 101 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 5: Some of those interceptions that Sam Donald through last week. 102 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 6: Wow, that's all I can say. Wow. You know you've 103 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 6: got to pull it back. Sometimes you just can't. 104 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 5: You can't swing for the damn fences every time the 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: balls pitched to you. 106 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 6: And that's kind of what Sam Darnald. He did it. 107 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 6: I was really. 108 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,119 Speaker 5: Surprised, but I was also really surprised about the type 109 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 5: of interceptions they were. 110 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: So I used to believe that you got to give 111 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: a quarterback three years, but now they have private coaching, 112 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: seven on seven summer drills. Kids throw ten thousand passes 113 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: by the time they're fourteen. So my take is not 114 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: three years, It is Thanksgiving of year two. GM coach 115 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: coordinator go upstairs, raise their hands. Do we draft again 116 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: or not? Do we extend eventually? So I have shortened 117 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the timelineup. So I mean Josh Rosen got thirteen starts, 118 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel got seven or eight. 119 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 4: What do you do with JJ McCarthy. 120 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: This is a good tool belt, Phil Justin, Jefferson, Jordan Addison, 121 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, great left tackle. Like this is not you know, 122 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: this is not a bad franchise. This is not what 123 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: Caleb got last year in Chicago. How long do you 124 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: give JJ McCarthy before you go upstairs? Just sit in 125 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: a room and raise your hand and say, guys, we 126 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: got to go in another direction. 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: Well, you know he's going to get the rest of 128 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 5: the year. I watched that game this past weekend. I thought, man, 129 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 5: if they had like a quality veteran backup, I think 130 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 5: they would have brought him in there. You know, JJ McCarthy. 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 5: You know, look, there are some things he does well. 132 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 5: He moves around well, he's got a strong arm. But 133 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 5: he's got one pitch and that one pitch is I'm 134 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 5: going to throw the damn thing as hard as I can. 135 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 5: And it doesn't matter if you're ten yards of twenty 136 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 5: or forty yards. 137 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 6: I mean, he's a. 138 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 5: I think deep down the field, you see it he's 139 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 5: a pretty good thrower, but in the NFL, the game 140 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 5: is really played from let's just say the line of 141 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 5: scrimmage to fifteen yards down the field, and you've got 142 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 5: to be a machine hitting those plays. And I haven't 143 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 5: seen that from JJ McCarthy and a lot of it. 144 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: There's many things. I think there are technique problems. I 145 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: see people talking about it all the time. Will tell 146 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: me what it really is and they can't do that, 147 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 5: But it's it's it's the You've got to hit all 148 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 5: those routine throws. And that's one of the biggest things 149 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 5: I think hurts him and hurts the football team right now. 150 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: And I'll give credit to the receivers very good. They're 151 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 5: successful and they're kind of biting their tongue and they're 152 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 5: not getting on the quarterback yet. But man, he's got 153 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: to pick up the way he plays. He's got to 154 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 5: become more accurate throwing the football. 155 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask you two questions because you 156 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: do college football stuff, and I'll get to Mendoz in 157 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: a second. I want to start with Shador Sanders. I 158 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: thought he was a at worst mid to late second 159 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: round guy. The people I trusted in the NFL said, yeah, 160 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean he's mid second. They liked him as much 161 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: as Jackson Dart some more and he drops the fifth. 162 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: I then heard about him basically blowing the Giants interview bad, 163 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: the legendary stuff all over his draft room, the speeding tickets. 164 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: Obviously some maturity issues there that I didn't know about. 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: He starts this weekend. Were you when you were doing 166 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: your college stuff the last few years, were you a 167 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: Sheduer fan? Or did he run backwards too much? You know, 168 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: there were signs he could be impatient. Where were you 169 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: on him coming out of college? 170 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 5: Well, you know, listen the fact that I don't look 171 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 5: at their stats and say, oh, he ran around too much. 172 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,559 Speaker 5: Those are things you can really correct and very short time. 173 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: I did like him in college. Look, he looks to 174 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: me he plays really big on the field as he 175 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 5: takes too many sacks and try to extend plays. Absolutely, 176 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 5: he did it last week when he came in the game. 177 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 6: He did it. 178 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 5: He did it in college. But what, there's many things here. 179 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: I think he'll play. Of course, I think everybody thinks 180 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: he'll play really well against the Raiders. The Raiders the 181 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 5: defense not that good. Kevin Stefanski when I watch him 182 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 5: over the years, go back to when Joe Flackel took 183 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 5: the team to the playoffs and all that they had 184 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 5: one of the best, if not the best, deep throwing 185 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 5: offense in the NFL. So many good designs as Stefanski's 186 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 5: really good at. And you know what that fits Shador. 187 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 5: He's another guy he would rather. He's good throwing the 188 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: ball deep down the field. He's a good short thrower, 189 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 5: but it's the in betweens that you worry about. And 190 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 5: I would be shocked, and I said this to somebody 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 5: working with you. I just said, if he's I believe 192 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 5: when they start the game this weekend, he'll be about 193 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 5: eight for ten out of the first ten throws because 194 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 5: they're going to give him screens, make sure it's easy, 195 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 5: get him involved in the game, and then as time 196 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: goes on, they'll open it up and give him and 197 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 5: do what he's probably best at, and that's getting a 198 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 5: little more protection. 199 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 6: And throwing the football deep down the field. I don't 200 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 6: know if I answered you question. That's what I think. 201 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 202 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: No. 203 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza played at Cow. The kid is supposed to 204 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: be an unbelievable student and at Indiana and Cow. He's 205 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: not playing with five star vam Ohio State guys. That's 206 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: not what he's playing with. I like that, by the way. 207 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: I like college guys who come out of Cow. 208 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 4: N see state. 209 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Yourself, smaller schools. You know, it's not it's not Georgia talent. 210 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: It's like middling talents that you got to throw open. 211 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: I think he separated him in that Penn State drives. 212 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: I watched that drive and I thought, on the road, 213 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 1: big pass rush, Penn State's got elite defensive players, and 214 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: right in the teeth of it, he just threw Sunday throw. 215 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: Sunday throw, Sunday throw. I see potentially a really high 216 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: end college kid. 217 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 4: What do you see? 218 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 5: I see a really high end college kid big time. 219 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 5: And I mean, if you're phrasing it about the pros, 220 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 5: I think he'll be a very successful quarterback in the pros. 221 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 6: I mean he's tall. 222 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 5: I did their game against Iowa, probably the worst game 223 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 5: of the year for him, but I didn't come away 224 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: with it going oh my gosh, he played man. In fact, 225 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 5: I came away and I said, all the talents that 226 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: you want to see in the NFL. 227 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 6: He showed you on that field. He just makes great throws. 228 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 5: He's got a very compact motion, spins the ball, can 229 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: really drive it, and he's tough as hell. 230 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 6: And the other thing that really I like. 231 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 5: I like these college quarterbacks that are playing somewhat of 232 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 5: a pro offense. Yet I'm look at I look at Indiana, 233 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 5: and man, they do the same damn thing every week, 234 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 5: and they might put a little dressing to it sometimes, 235 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 5: But I like everything about him. 236 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 6: I think some people worry, oh is it going to work? 237 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 6: Is he mobile enough? Hey? 238 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 5: Man, when you're a quarterback like him who's been taught 239 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 5: so well and has the talent that he's going to 240 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 5: learn very quickly. Hey, the NFL's different, and I think 241 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 5: he'll be somewhat of an instant success, kind of like 242 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 5: Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart, I mean, he played Lane Kiff 243 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: and it's got so many pro looks to it, and 244 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 5: all the experience, all those years and all those throws. 245 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 5: It translates to the NFL very quickly. It's not like 246 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams was always in charge and now 247 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 5: he's playing better. Why because Ben Johnson is stepping on 248 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 5: him and the offense fitsing, and of course he's learning 249 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 5: and everything. 250 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 6: So I do like Mendoza a lot, Collin. 251 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: To answer your question, what you just said is exactly 252 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: A top offensive coach told me this week off air. 253 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: He told me he said Indiana runs so many he'll 254 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: be an easy quarterback to evaluate. They run so much 255 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: pro stuff that it's very obvious. You'll know very he goes. This, 256 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: coach said, I watched him a couple of times on TV. 257 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: You can see they're running pro stuff. He'll be an 258 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: easy evaluation. Even Mahomes out of the Big twelve, nobody 259 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: knew if some of that stuff was gonna work. Or 260 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: like Josh Allen at Wyoming, you're like, that's bad competition. 261 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: I've been told now that he'll be an easy comp 262 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: that's a lot of Sunday stuff and you just echoed it. 263 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 1: So you're seeing the same thing. 264 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: My guy was. 265 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I you know, these college quarterbacks when I'm bored, 266 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 5: I try to go through all these guys and just 267 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 5: watch them real quick and just seeing him in person 268 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 5: and talking to him, I mean, he is everything you 269 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 5: want at the professional level and being your quarterback the 270 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 5: guy you know, so you know it's hard on these 271 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 5: young quarterbacks, which like I've said before and probably said 272 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 5: to you already, and they we judge him too hard, 273 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 5: too fast, and you know, so we're seeing some of 274 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 5: these guys in the second year. 275 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 6: Kayleb Williams he's the greatest example of all. 276 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 5: You know, he's coached differently, different offense and fitsing and 277 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 5: you know, he's got pride and he's so he shows 278 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 5: that in the way he's playing. And it's I'm excited 279 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 5: just watching and seeing Ben Johnson with him and how 280 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 5: they're doing it, and I know they're being tough on 281 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 5: him and he's he's taking it the right way and 282 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 5: it shows on the field as always. 283 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 4: Philip's great seeing you is that it well it was 284 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: twelve minutes. That's all that's on my show. That's a 285 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: big hit, it is. 286 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: Okay, Hey, you know there's a couple of guys on 287 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 5: one one earlier. 288 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 6: Bo Nicks. 289 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 5: He's a man, okay, I mean a man, and he 290 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 5: does not even flinch what he's playing the game there 291 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 5: he is against Kansas City. 292 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 6: He's looking for the kill shot. 293 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 5: And of course he's coached by the guy that's right 294 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 5: with him and Davis Webb. They're helping the quarterbacks. I mean, 295 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 5: that's just one of these These young quarterback here are 296 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: a lot of talk at all, bone. 297 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 6: Nicks, this and that. 298 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, he might not be at the top of his 299 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 5: game yet, but he's he's finding a way to get there, 300 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 5: and I really I love watching him play too. 301 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: By the way, he is also aggressive. He's an aggressive 302 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: throw over the football. 303 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 5: Absolutely, he's not checked down, Charlie, let's put it that way. 304 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 6: And he did it against Kansas City. 305 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: So you saw that he's willing to do the right 306 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: thing and take a chance and not worried about if 307 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 5: he's going to be the goat or the hero, which 308 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: is pretty cool. 309 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 4: Good Scenia. All right, Concinia, thank you, Phil. 310 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: Good seeing you. Thanks for having me on J Mac. 311 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 5: Keep working on those arms, man, they're looking good. 312 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Anytime J Matt gets a chance to do the. 313 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: You know, the gun show. 314 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: What these are an all natural I'm not doing steroids. 315 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your shirts are always a little tighter 316 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: than mine. 317 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: That's okay. 318 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 3: This medium is my favorite size. 319 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 320 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 321 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app Hey. 322 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 7: We're Covino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day five 323 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 7: to seven pm Eastern. 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Listen to over Promised 346 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 8: with Cadino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 347 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 8: or wherever you get your podcasts. 348 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: J back with the news. 349 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: This is the headline news. 350 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 9: It's tough to get you to laugh sometimes, but I 351 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 9: like what I feel it out and that I could tell, Oh, 352 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 9: he's in for some good one liners today, Colin we 353 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 9: got we got to start here in the final hour 354 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 9: with Brian Dabole. Obviously was fired by the Giants, but 355 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 9: they played tough against the Packers, and Jameis Winston's getting 356 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 9: some praise from around the league that hey, he wasn't terrible. 357 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: Here's Dan Campbell talking about what he saw. 358 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 10: I think there was some fresh energy last week when 359 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 10: you watched him against Cream Bay. You know, you know, 360 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 10: I think it's sometimes it's just that that newness, you know, 361 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 10: and you don't know how long that can possibly last, 362 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 10: or the rebound on it. But I think just the 363 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 10: change itself, something a little bit different than little new 364 00:16:59,120 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 10: can spark. 365 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 9: You interesting take. Now, here's the latest. Is Jackson Dart 366 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 9: If he clears concussion protocol today, he's gonna get the start. 367 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 9: They're still waiting. I haven't seen anything. 368 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, this game is interesting. 369 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: Detroit plays on Thanksgiving, look ahead spot for them. Dart 370 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: may play. Everybody loves Detroit. They're great at home. It's 371 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: a weird spot. I'd stay away Detroit for me. I 372 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: think they'll win. But if Dart plays, it's a different offense, 373 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: no question. 374 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 11: Yeah. 375 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 9: So one of the other things is the Lions, off 376 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 9: of a loss with Goff and Campbell, have won thirteen 377 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 9: straight and covered all of them. They bounced back really 378 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 9: well from defeat going home against a bad team. 379 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: One thing is the Giants have dialed up the blitz 380 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 3: a lot more. 381 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 9: They were going after Jordan Love I mean, good luck 382 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 9: blitzing Jared Goff and leaving those fast receivers Jmo. 383 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 3: Amarah on an island. Laporta's the guy to watch. 384 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 9: Did you notice the offense was really bad against Philly 385 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 9: without Laporta? 386 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 3: Yes, huge loss. So what we'll see if they get 387 00:17:58,680 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: him back. 388 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 9: One of us may have bet the Lions earlier this 389 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 9: week and maybe regretting it at Jackson Dart starts, but 390 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 9: we shall see. All right, Let's move on to Tampa 391 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 9: Bay Colin. Huge game for the flailing Bucks on Sunday 392 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 9: Night Football. How about this news. Baker Mayfield and Amika 393 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 9: Abuca were among six Bucks who missed practice on Wednesday 394 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 9: due to an illness going around the facility. Todd Bowle 395 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 9: said the illness is hitting the team so hard they 396 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 9: made Wednesday's practice a walkthrough. I don't know what's going 397 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 9: on with Tampa. They you know, they have to play 398 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 9: a couple good teams here of late, and they're struggling. 399 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 3: Breaking news. The Rams are a really good team. 400 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. 401 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 9: I remember I tease this Stafford against the Bulls historically 402 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 9: and how he handles the blitz. You know, I'm gonna 403 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 9: save it for one more day. But I'm just telling 404 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 9: you guys right now, Todd Bowles stays to his principles 405 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 9: and blitz of Stafford. You know, Rams are gonna hang 406 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 9: a forty birder with ease. 407 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 408 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: Rams are really healthy right now. And I one of 409 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: the things that is so they are. The Rams do 410 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: not beat themselves. No, they just don't. 411 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 4: I mean they don't. 412 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: They're not turning it over, they don't have any penalties. 413 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: They are they're playing. 414 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: I think they're playing even better than the Super Bowl 415 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: year because the Super Bowl year. 416 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 4: They got off to a rough start with Stafford. 417 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: If you remember, he was new learning the system, and 418 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: Matt could be you know, he's learning the system. He 419 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: was a little reckless at times that year. This is 420 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: a as to me, the last five or six weeks 421 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: is as well, including the Super Bowl year, as Stafford 422 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: and McVay have ever been together. They are so in 423 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: unison right now. It's everything is working. They don't get penalized, 424 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: they're healthy, they can go thirteen personnel, they can go 425 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: three tight ends. Take Pooka off the field. They've got DeVante. 426 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: They they are really this is as good as Stafford 427 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: and McVay. This is about as good as I've ever 428 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: seen them play together. 429 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know from today's Tampa practice, no Jammel 430 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 9: Dean their top cornerback, no Hassan Reddick, arguably. 431 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 3: Their best aad rusher. 432 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 9: So things are lining up. I'm guessing that Rams will 433 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 9: touch a touchdown here? Is that something that would interest you? U? 434 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 6: Rams? 435 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 5: At so far? 436 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 9: Interesting final story, Colin, Let's go to your boy bo Nicks. So, man, 437 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 9: he's got the magic touch. Denver's on an eight game 438 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 9: winning streak heading into their by with a nine and two, 439 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 9: mark well ahead of the lowly Chiefs in the AFC West. Now, 440 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 9: Drake May and the Patriots also a riding an eight 441 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 9: game win streak there first since Tom Brady had one. 442 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 9: This is the first time the league has had two 443 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 9: quarterbacks on an eight game win streak since nineteen eighty four. 444 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Wow, do you want to guess who those quarterbacks were 445 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: in eighty four? They're pretty Elway Marino? 446 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 9: Yeah, so I don't want to put bow Nicks and 447 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 9: Drake May in that category. Now they're two young quarterbacks. 448 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 9: Remember Marino and l we were very young. Do you 449 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 9: see like a holy cow? These guys could be superstars 450 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 9: down the road from Nix and May Well. 451 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: I think Drake May is like Marino and Elway is 452 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: the traits. He's just big with a big arm, and 453 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: he moves. Drake May's got better traits than bo. He's 454 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: just a bigger, stronger guy. So it's a real not 455 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: only accurate. I mean his completion percentage and I mean 456 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: the Patriots old line's solid. 457 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: It's not exceptional. 458 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: They don't have receivers that are getting massive space and separation. 459 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: He's completing seventy one percent of his thrones and he's 460 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: not a dink and dung guy throws the ball down 461 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: the field. 462 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 4: That's an insane number. 463 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 9: It boggles the mind to see these hot take artists say, oh, 464 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 9: the Patriots their fools gold with Drake May. If you 465 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 9: look at the gambling odds, they're favored to be the 466 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 9: number one seed. Drake May, I mean, I don't think 467 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 9: I'm ready to do this. He's like top three for MVP. 468 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: Colin. 469 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 3: If you look at the odds and they know a 470 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: little bit about the odds, like. 471 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 9: If Drake May's the number one seed, there's a world 472 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 9: where he's the MVP of the league. 473 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Now. 474 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 3: I don't know if Allan misses out on that, but 475 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: that's how good May's been. 476 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: Well, think about quarterbacks who in their second year won 477 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: the MVP, like Lamar Mahomes. I mean, you're in an 478 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: elevated class. Josh Allen didn't even win it in his 479 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: second year. So if Drake May, I mean, it almost 480 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: guarantees greatness. Is that that early MVP pretty much as 481 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: signed you're on a different plane. 482 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, jmck with the news, Well. 483 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by. The herd 484 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: Line News. 485 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: Weather forecast earlier in the show Phil Simms, Greg co Sell, 486 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff. I thought it was interesting 487 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Greg co Cell talking about Philadelphia's past offense, how it 488 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: was it was kind of simple, he said, it's, you know, 489 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: fairly remedial. It's not terribly complex. But you know, I 490 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: don't know why or what I mean to some degree, 491 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: I will say this, he throws a pretty good deep ball, 492 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and both DeVante and aj There are very few teams 493 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: that have two guys that are good deep ball targets, 494 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you know, like Pooka to me is like mid fifty 495 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: eighteen yards in under. 496 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: That's Puka's strength. 497 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of teams T Higgins and Jamar 498 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: Chase Addison and Justin Jefferson can both have some separation. 499 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: But I thought that was interesting by Greg Cosell. We'll 500 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: talk about that next to Herd. 501 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 502 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific. 503 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: Welcome back. 504 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Greg co Sell earlier today talking about Philadelphia. The 505 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: story that you know, he's kind of irritating the head 506 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: coaches in Philadelphia and Philadelphia is a one of the 507 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: things I like, and I like this about Nick Foles 508 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: and in Philadelphia, he kind of doesn't have the personality 509 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: to get people riled up. He kind of suppresses all 510 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: the noise. And I think that's one of the things 511 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: I've always loved about Dak. Dak doesn't he doesn't ignite fires. 512 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: He puts him out. You know, you had a lot 513 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: of Jerry and the Dallas media and the Cowboys and 514 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: comps and big rivalry games, and Dak just sort of 515 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: cools the noise, slows down the fear fury in Dallas. 516 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 4: I think Jalen Hurts is great at that. 517 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: But there are reports from Derek Gunn is a long 518 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: time reporter in Philadelphia, that he can kind of drive 519 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: the staff, you know, a little crazy because he's kind 520 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: of doing his own thing in games in which you know, 521 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: they want him to make certain throws and he does 522 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: it at practice, game time. 523 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 4: He does his own thing. 524 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: And here's I asked Cosel, I mean, what do you 525 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: see on film about Philly's pass offense. 526 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 11: When you watch their offense and their pass game in particular, 527 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 11: the one thing you definitely see is that it's it's 528 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 11: rather elementary and remedial in their concepts. And that's just 529 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 11: what the tape shows they don't do a lot, you know, 530 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 11: talk about other quarterbacks and other coaches. You watch a 531 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 11: Ben Johnson offense, you know me. You will have to 532 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 11: know I don't rip coaches. This is not a knock 533 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 11: on Jalen Hurts. I don't know what goes on in 534 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 11: their meetings. I don't know what goes on in their 535 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 11: locker room, but I can tell you that the tape 536 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 11: shows that their offensive pass concepts are just there. They're 537 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 11: rather basic and simplistic for the NFL. 538 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: Another quarterback story, and I do think Shadur Sanders is 539 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: interesting his dad's primetime. But usually when a quarterback comes 540 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: in in a late game situation or it's a late drive, 541 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: you would see Tom Brady do this a lot. He 542 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: would tell the crowd, quiet down, quiet down, we need 543 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: to hear. That's something you I've seen. I can think 544 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: in my head, I can think of Peyton Manning doing that, like, guys, 545 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: bring it down. You know the crowd, you got to 546 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: be on our side here, bring it down. Apparently Shadeur 547 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: came in this week and did the opposite. It was 548 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: like makes some noise and Joe Batonio one of his 549 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: offensive Lineman's like time out. 550 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 4: We can't hear, don't do that. Here's his interior offensive line. 551 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 6: I was like, hey, makes you quite the crowd down. 552 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 12: And then I watched the replay and he was hyping 553 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 12: him up, and I was like, well, I can't really 554 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 12: hear here, but you know, it was it was, you know, 555 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 12: his moment to play. But I think as the game 556 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 12: got on, you know, there was a couple of moments 557 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 12: where he was getting really you know, excited, and those 558 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 12: moments are important, but like there's a fine line of 559 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 12: like great energy and like, hey, let's get the next 560 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 12: play call in, you know. And so I think he'll 561 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 12: understand that as he goes. But you know, when you're 562 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 12: in that moment, he's kind of just playing off feelings 563 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 12: and those were kind of the moments that he was 564 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 12: he was playing with. 565 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a that's a very reasonable criticism. 566 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: He hasn't had a ton of awareness. Two speeding tickets, 567 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: legendary draft room, going in headsets onto the New York 568 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: Giants interview, Like he's telling the crowd, bring it on, 569 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: bring it on, and his teammates like, no, don't do that, 570 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: we want to Quiet's Chad is kind of in the Chaduer. 571 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: He's kind of his own guy and whatever. I don't 572 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: want to pick on the kid, but I think one 573 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: of the reasonable criticisms of him he runs backward too much. 574 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: You can't argue that lacks some self awareness, and uh, 575 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's not the end of the world, but 576 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: it's not great and self awareness becomes very important in 577 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: this league. And by the way, this is what you 578 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: know Greg Cosell and Phil simm said about Sam Darnold, Like, 579 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: when you have a defense as good as Seattle, you 580 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: don't need to take as many risks. I mean the 581 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: coaching staff, they run. I think they run their run 582 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: rates like top four or five in the league. So 583 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that go into quarterback. What's 584 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: your defense, Like where's our field position? What's the momentum 585 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: in the game, Like, there's all sorts of things. When 586 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: you're a corner, you're on an island, your responsibility is 587 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: stay on my guy right or you have quarters in 588 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: the NFL on his own, this is my quarter quarterback. 589 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: There are so many things to think about time in 590 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: the game, clock, what's the score, what down is it? 591 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: You know, do we have current momentum. I mean sometimes 592 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: you'll see this where somebody on defense gets banged up 593 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: and a coach like a Sean Payton will literally call 594 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: a play to pick on the new corner. Matt Lafleur 595 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: will see, you know, a corner get banged up for 596 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: the Bears, They'll call a play to go after the 597 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: new guy on the field at corner for the Chicago Bears. 598 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: So being a quarterback, it's really concentrating on the right stuff, 599 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: not the crowd. Not getting the crowd fired at irrelevant. 600 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: That's not your thing. If anything, suppressed crowd noise. 601 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: Don't elevate it. So it's a little thing. It's not 602 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 4: the end of the world. 603 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: And I think he plays pretty well against the Raiders, 604 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: who look like a beaten franch nothing's going on. There's 605 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: nothing about the Raiders I like it is. You know, 606 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Their first pick was Ashton Genty, who I 607 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: think is good. He's really hard to judge because the 608 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Raiders O line is so bad and also the Raiders 609 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: trail in a lot of their games in the second half. Well, 610 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: what aren't you gonna do? 611 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: Run the ball? 612 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: So Ashton Jenny has a bad old line and his 613 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: team trails a lot. Well, it's hard for me to 614 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: judge a rookie running back based on those two factors. 615 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 4: I'm you know, it's and I don't think. 616 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he's Zeke or Saquon Barkley is a talent, 617 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: but I do think he's good. 618 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: But there are certain young players. 619 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,719 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of the Raiders right now, 620 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: and I don't know what to make of Ashton Genty 621 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: once they put their arms around Geno Smith. To me, 622 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: the season has an absolute ceiling and it's been the 623 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: worst of times for it. For the record, j Mac, 624 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: I like Cleveland in this spot. I don't think the 625 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: Raiders will move the ball much. I like Cleveland here 626 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: in a low scoring game. 627 00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: What say you? 628 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 9: Well, I had also like Cleveland, but the line keeps 629 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 9: going up. It was three, now three and a half. 630 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 9: I'm seeing some fours. The Browns have some offensive line 631 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 9: injury issues. Let me let me get them for you. 632 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 9: Right now, it seems like their interior offensive line could 633 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 9: be missing a guy or two. Not great obviously, with 634 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 9: Crosby on the opposite side of the ball, I just 635 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 9: I can't I don't think I can back the Raiders 636 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 9: in any way, shape or form, I would say Browns 637 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 9: are pass I'm with you. 638 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was yesterday I noted this, so I love 639 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: mock drafts. Yeah, and I went and looked. It's really interesting. 640 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: And this is why I believe the Niners have so 641 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: much leverage with mac Jones now that Perty's back, is 642 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: that you go look at the mock draft Jmack. 643 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 4: You can make an. 644 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: Argument five teams in the first nine picks are going 645 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: to draft quarterbacks or could. 646 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: They'll need them. 647 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 9: But I don't know that there's quarterbacks there By the way, 648 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 9: speaking of quarterbacks, the Rams, I think have the Falcons 649 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 9: pick next year. They do and the Falcons keep losing it. 650 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 9: Now Kirk Cousins is starting Drake London's out. Are the 651 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 9: Rams going to maybe go to the Super Bowl and 652 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 9: get like a top seven pick? That would be insane. 653 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: That's what I've said about the Rams could draft a quarterback. 654 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: But I I will tell you what an executive in 655 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: the league texted me yesterday. He said, it's a thick 656 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: quarterback class. He goes, there'll be two in the first, 657 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: three in the second, two in the third. He said, 658 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: it's thick. Heause a lot of times you get like 659 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: three really good prospects, they're out of the first fourteen picks, 660 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: they're all gone, and there's maybe one second round quarterback, 661 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: and then you don't have one to the fifth. This 662 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: GM said, it's a thick class. He said, the lot 663 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: of a couple a couple first, a couple second. I 664 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: would say this a lot of high to middle seconds. 665 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: It could go from thick to thin. If like Dante 666 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: Moore doesn't come out, I don't think he's coming out 667 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: because I think I think Oregon has the ability to 668 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: pay five million bucks woo. I don't think Dante Morris 669 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: coming out. I think he's going to be excellent. My 670 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: guess is he comes back for one more year. He's 671 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: only twenty. 672 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: He could he could use it. 673 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 9: Yep.