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Speaker 1: The man joining us today is Austin Gale from Pro

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Speaker 1: Football Focus. We caught up with him a couple of

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Speaker 1: we're joined by Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. Austin,

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Speaker 1: it's been a month or so since the combine. It's

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Speaker 1: good to see again, man. How are you in lovely

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati doing fantastic surviving the weather here in Cincinnati very good.

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Speaker 1: Just want to reminder that Austin Gales, PFS director of Content.

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Speaker 1: He's the coast of the tailgate which is PFS. I

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Speaker 1: guess is it still technically an NFL Draft podcast? In

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Speaker 1: everything podcast now College Football NFL Draft to cover it

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Speaker 1: all again. Remember, PFS is also releasing a four episode

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Speaker 1: podcast series with projecting number one overall pick Aidan Hutchinson

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Speaker 1: titled hutch on Wednesday, April more than fifty interviews with

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Speaker 1: some of the most prominent voices in college football in

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft space. Be sure to subscribe and listen

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Speaker 1: to hutch wherever you find your podcast. So, Austin, I

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Speaker 1: us about it. Yeah, hutch is gonna be awesome. Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, kind of as you said there the over

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Speaker 1: fifty interviews, it's really given me insane perspective on a

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Speaker 1: projected number one overall pick. Right, It's been interesting to

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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson is a phenomenal athlete, a phenomenal person off

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Speaker 1: just his perspective around the league and his perspective around

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Speaker 1: all that it takes right to be a number one

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Speaker 1: interviews talking to people about he You know, I think

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Speaker 1: that the linebacker there at Michigan, Josh Ross, really was

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, but someone who's such a leader on that

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Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson's making making people, you know, miss all day

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Speaker 1: they don't get one of five or seven that can

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Speaker 1: step in and play and not be bad this first year. Yeah,

428
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think once you get to day

429
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Speaker 1: two and this class specifically, I think you're looking at

430
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Speaker 1: a lot of like developmental offensive tackles, met guys that

431
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Speaker 1: I don't think can start right away and have a

432
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Speaker 1: lot of success. Like, are there guys that I'd like

433
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Speaker 1: to develop his Day two options at that position? Sure,

434
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Speaker 1: Abraham Lucas Washington State. Um, you have Kellen Diash who's

435
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,120
Speaker 1: got a really weird frame the Arizona State offensive tackle,

436
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,520
Speaker 1: but it's graded really well and it's improved over the

437
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Speaker 1: course of his career. Tyler Smith and Tulsa another guy

438
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Speaker 1: that I think maybe you're not investing a Day one

439
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,879
Speaker 1: but you can invest the date, but you probably expect

440
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,520
Speaker 1: those guys not to be high end graded players are

441
00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,680
Speaker 1: high producers until you're two year three and Zach Tom

442
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,679
Speaker 1: of wake Forest is getting some love in this class.

443
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,840
Speaker 1: Also Luke Deckie, the other Central Michigan officie tackle oppositempreneur

444
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Speaker 1: rhyman Chris paul Of of Tulsa, as well as another

445
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 1: one that I really do like. And you can, in

446
00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,840
Speaker 1: my opinion, get projectable traits at the optic tackle position.

447
00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,640
Speaker 1: And I mean we didn't need to mention the big

448
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota kid Daniel Fallelee, who has like rare traits, rare

449
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: size combination. You can develop a lot of these guys

450
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,400
Speaker 1: that are gonna be there on day two, but don't

451
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Speaker 1: expect any of them to come in and start right

452
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Speaker 1: away and have a lot of success. I think the

453
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Speaker 1: start right away types are all gonna be drafted in

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Speaker 1: the first twenty picks. Specifically cross the quantuin Neal. Now,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm all right into your offensive line. Different conversation on

456
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Speaker 1: day two, who are the guys that you like as

457
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Speaker 1: potential plug and play guys in around two and round

458
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,119
Speaker 1: three in this year's on the int your offensive line,

459
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Speaker 1: you're saying, yeah, yeah, eat either guards center. Yeah. I

460
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: think it's it's an interesting into your oppensive line class.

461
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Speaker 1: I think there are some tackle converts that I would

462
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Speaker 1: love to start right away. I think one that's getting

463
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Speaker 1: underrated just Darian Kinnard of Kentucky, big monstrous offensive tackle

464
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Speaker 1: for Kentucky that I think does best project to the

465
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Speaker 1: foot speed and stuff like that to go into guard.

466
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Speaker 1: I think he'll come in and have some success early on.

467
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Speaker 1: Has some proven, you know, proven production in the secs.

468
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Speaker 1: Ion Johnson I don't think is available on day two.

469
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite plug and player types, Kenyan Green,

470
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: has fall falling down boards due to less than ideal

471
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Speaker 1: athletic testing, but I think he can have success as

472
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Speaker 1: a day two type of player. Now. Dylan Parham of Georgia,

473
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Speaker 1: Jamari Salier or Dylan Parma of Memphis, and Jamari Sayer

474
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Speaker 1: of of george are two you know, into your offensive

475
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Speaker 1: line prospects that I think can start really early. Cool

476
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Speaker 1: Strange of Chattanooga is probably a sleeper in this class.

477
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Speaker 1: Max Mitchell maybe kicks in the guard. At the next

478
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Speaker 1: level of the Louisiana offensive tackle. There is, in my opinion,

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of starters at off ball, linebacker, defensive tackle,

480
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Speaker 1: and um into your offensive line that you can get

481
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Speaker 1: on day two. And it's great because those positions, as

482
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Speaker 1: we've talked about a thousand times are low value positions

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Speaker 1: on the position of Value charton guys that you can

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Speaker 1: get starters on in picks fifty to seventy five is

485
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Speaker 1: a huge value to your team, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: funny you mentioned interior linebackers and off ball linebackers. I

494
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Speaker 1: was looking at that dude. Day we were doing our

495
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Speaker 1: draft season show and we had, you know, pick your

496
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Speaker 1: favorite Day two guy at each position, and I was

497
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Speaker 1: looking at the interior linebackers, the off ball guys, and

498
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is hard. Right, Like Chad MoMA

499
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 1: is good player, Troy Anderson, Montana State, good player, um

500
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Speaker 1: Asamoa from Oklahoma good player. Uh the to Georgia guys,

501
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Speaker 1: Quit Walker right, like his his physical profile is really

502
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Speaker 1: good to appeal to NFL teams. He's long. I think

503
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Speaker 1: he can even be an edge guy on on passing downs.

504
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that off ball class on

505
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Speaker 1: Day two? Who are some of the guys you particularly like? Yeah,

506
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Speaker 1: I think this is one of the best outball linebacker

507
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: classes we've seen in a very long time. In addition

508
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Speaker 1: to the top guys, and I think both go in

509
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Speaker 1: the first round, if not the first four to pick.

510
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Speaker 1: Devn Lloyd of Utah and the Kobe Dan a Georgia.

511
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Speaker 1: You've got Day two options. Co lorre Leo Chanel, the

512
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin oftball linebackers a freaky athlete, freaky three co and

513
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: freaky short shuttle type of guy that I think comes

514
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Speaker 1: in right away, and it's a really really good run defender,

515
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Speaker 1: high floor type of player. Brian Asamab Oklahoma you mentioned

516
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Speaker 1: is one of my favorite Day two types as well.

517
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Speaker 1: Chad MoMA Wyoming. I also really like the Montana State

518
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Speaker 1: kid Troy Anderson. I think had a three nine nine

519
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Speaker 1: short huntel yesterday at his pro day. That's insane. Those

520
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Speaker 1: are insane figures for you, and I think so when

521
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Speaker 1: you go back to like, Okay, thanks Austin, it's the

522
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: best winebacker class in a while. Why is that we

523
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Speaker 1: got a lot of athletes like Shanelle is a great athlete,

524
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Speaker 1: Anderson is a great athlete. Muma, you got Darien Beavers

525
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 1: is a good athlete for his size, Brandon Smith, the

526
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: Penn State way walker, Georgia Channing Tim Dall doesn't even

527
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Speaker 1: get brought up in the you know the conversation, and

528
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Speaker 1: he's one of the most explosive players in this class.

529
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Speaker 1: So it is a really good year to target starters

530
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Speaker 1: at off ball linebacker with good athleticism. On day two,

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Speaker 1: rounds two and three, I think a lot of teams

532
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Speaker 1: will be looking at that position. It's similar to safety.

533
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of first round talent

534
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Speaker 1: at safety in this Classic. There's a good chance and

535
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Speaker 1: no safeties going in the first round after Col Hamilton's

536
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: and then you look at around two there could be

537
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: this whole barrage of safety is coming off the board.

538
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie, who maybe best projects as a slack corner,

539
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: Louis seen of Georgia Kwon Brisker Penn State like, there's

540
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: a lot of options with that position as well. How

541
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Speaker 1: how do you think Dean and Lloyd are going to go.

542
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 1: You know, I watched Lloyd and I see a good

543
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: all around player. It doesn't pop to me like some

544
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: of these other guys do. But then you watch the

545
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: Kobe Deemon, some of that tape pops. But I know

546
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: we wait in and almost two thirty at the combine.

547
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: You know, I've been around NFL locker rooms for almost

548
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: sixteen years now. He looks like a safety to me,

549
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: lost and like you look at him, you say, I

550
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: got was around Landon Collins here, Lendon Collins was thicker

551
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: than that dude, al right, like he just he just

552
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: he just was. And I wonder if that's I don't

553
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Speaker 1: care about the site. He could be ivy for all,

554
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: like if you could play, could play. But at that

555
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: thickness playing linebacker, combined with the fact he hasn't tested,

556
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if he's going to. Maybe he

557
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: does his training and the numbers are on good, He's

558
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: like screwed. I'm just not gonna do it. How do

559
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: you think NFL teams are viewing those guys? How how

560
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: do you think good to go? And do you think

561
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Speaker 1: they have elite potential? Yeah? I think Devin Lloyd will

562
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Speaker 1: be the first off ball linebacker taken in this class.

563
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: I think Nakobe Dean there are some size concerns with

564
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Speaker 1: him right, and I think not seeing him test in

565
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: this pre draft process hasn't helped him at all. I

566
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Speaker 1: think he could come off the board in the twenty

567
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 1: to forty range right, even twenty five to forty ranges,

568
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: where I see him coming off the board pretty Two

569
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Speaker 1: to the Detroit Lions is something that I think will

570
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: be an option. That's for Devin Lloyd. I really do

571
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: buy into the Fred Warner comparisons. I think he's a

572
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: very similar player to what Fred Warner was. I know

573
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: those are two Utah gys, b y U and Utah,

574
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: but I think he's a similar player to him, and

575
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: that he's this all wrong type that can't excelling coverage,

576
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 1: really good to run defense instincts galore. I think he's

577
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: an older prospect. Can't find his age listen anywhere. I

578
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: think that's usually assignment. He might be twenty four years

579
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: old as a rookie, which is which is fine, but

580
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: at the same time, it kind of speaks to his

581
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: development and how how efficient his game was this past year.

582
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Efficient feet, good instinct speaks to just how long he's

583
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: been playing the position and how mature his body is. Right,

584
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Speaker 1: But I am really confident in Devin Lloyd coming in

585
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: and being a really good starter. How value is that

586
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Though, you know that that's where that's

587
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: where my mind goes. I feel comfortable if I have

588
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: multiple first round picks and I'm taking him, Say I'm

589
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Speaker 1: the Eagles right in the middle of the first round,

590
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Speaker 1: or even um, you know now they have two different

591
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: picks right now, even not fifteen sixty nineteen. I think

592
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: they have the sixteenth and eight teams pick this year.

593
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Speaker 1: So I do like what you know, him in the

594
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Speaker 1: middle of the first round. But again, I only do

595
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: it if I kind of have an embarrassment of riches

596
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: at some of the high value positions, right because he's

597
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: a starter. He's a high end starter at a low

598
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Speaker 1: value position. I'm gonna take that if I don't have

599
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: an obvious win at offen to tackle maybe available, or

600
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: or why receiver or corner. If I'm already off some

601
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: of the blue chip players in this class. Yeah, I agree.

602
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 1: I think Lloyd's a got with the pretty high floor.

603
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: I think he's a fairly safe pick given his tools

604
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: in his length, and you know he used to be

605
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: a safety two, so you feel pretty good that he

606
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: can cover and I think a linebacker, given how hard

607
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: is to play the position, I do think there's some

608
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: value there. You mentioned the Eagle Saints trade. What do

609
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: you think, aside from always trying to go for it,

610
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: what do you think the Saints general approaches here trying

611
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: to get the two picks this year? Are they gonna

612
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: try to package those to move up now? Are they

613
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: just trying to get two different positions in the middle

614
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: of the round. I know what the Eagles are thinking.

615
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: What do you think the Saints goals are given that

616
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: trade they just made. It's not too dissimilar to how

617
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: what other people have highlighted, right, Mickey Loomis is such

618
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: a huge fan of trading up in the draft. He

619
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: locks into a player that he really wants to select

620
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: and make sure he can go get him. Right. There's

621
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Speaker 1: a lot a lot of the players on their roster,

622
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: guys that they've traded up, like Marcus Davenport and Marcus

623
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Speaker 1: Davenport Um, It's it's really important. They are so confident

624
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: in their own evaluations, right, like they feel probably that

625
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: the Chargers are locking into similar positions off to tack

626
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: on receiver. That's where the Saint's going to get better

627
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: as well. Getting ahead of them matters, right, Getting getting

628
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: a second first round pick. Knowing that this receiver class,

629
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: in this office to tackle class, there could be options

630
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: maybe four or five guys that ultimately go in the

631
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: first round at opts to tackle and six or seven guys.

632
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Being first to some of those is something that making

633
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: Lomas will prioritize. Right someone They're like, why would you

634
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: move up to go get the wide receiver three or

635
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: wide receiver four in this class, or the O T

636
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: three or O T four in this class. That's not

637
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: how Lumis sees it. Lomis is moving up to get

638
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: a guy, a guy that he wants every single time.

639
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: It's a specific player, and he's really confident we'll have

640
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: success in the NFL, and he's gonna do whatever it

641
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: takes to go get it. It makes a ton of

642
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: sense of the Eagles, it doesn't always make sense for

643
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: the Saints. I don't think it makes sense a ton

644
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: of sense sense for the Saints. But making Louis is

645
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: going to continue to do this to his in tenure, right,

646
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: He's like I want to go get this player in

647
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: this player, I'm gonna make it happen. I don't think

648
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: it's for a quarterback though. I don't think they're looking

649
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: to package these picks now and get ahead of the

650
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: Panthers at five and and go grab a quarterback in

651
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: this class. I think it's more that, hey, we're really

652
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: high on two or three of these receivers and two

653
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: or three offensive tackles. Let's make sure we get ahead

654
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: of the Chargers and go get some of these guys. Yeah,

655
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Was awesome. I'm gonna be honest.

656
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far off the beating

657
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: path here. This is a giant's podcast. But I feel

658
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: better about Jamis Winston playing well the next two or

659
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: three years than I do any quarterback in this class.

660
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. No, I agree with you.

661
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: I think they're in They're in a position to where

662
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: they think they have such a good roster right that

663
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: bringing in developing quarterback with the new coaches. I don't

664
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: think that's where they want to go. I think they

665
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: think they can be competitive in the NFC South, in

666
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: the NFC with Jamis Winston in a really talented roster,

667
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: right Ran check album, Kamara, Michael Thomas coming back, CD

668
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: do I. It's a very good team. It's a very

669
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: good roster. Camera Jordan's stilling that team as well. Marcus

670
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: Davenport continues to get better as long as he's healthy.

671
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: They don't feel like they're rebuilding in any way. I

672
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: think resetting at the quarterback position, specifically in this quarterback

673
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: class I don't think would be high value. Now they've

674
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: essentially punted one class though, right Like, if if they're

675
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: looking to get a quarterback in next year's class, it's

676
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna be that m it's more difficult. Oh they can.

677
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you might as well just throw that out

678
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: the window. That's not gonna happen at this point. All Right,

679
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: you mentioned Kyle Hamilton's the safety class before. I feel

680
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: like people have jumped to shark a little bit on him. Now.

681
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: I get some of the worries where all I I

682
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: don't trust him to guard and cover slot receiver. I

683
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: don't know if he has the quickness and the speed

684
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to do that. But there are still plenty of things

685
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: you can have a safety do that he's really good at. That.

686
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: He's going to be an excellent player, and I feel

687
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: like some of the lazy scouting of all bad forty

688
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I can't draft him that high is starting to bite

689
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: some people in the urntier. How much do you buy

690
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: the drop and where do you think he should go

691
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: based on what he can do? Yeah, I have no concerns.

692
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: Not no concerns. I mean there's concerns with cal Hamilton's

693
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: combine testing, right. I do think when you go back

694
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: and watch him in his forty times, I think you

695
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: can see he's not a track athlete, right, Like his

696
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: start is kind of sloppy and hasn't mastered the technique

697
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: of that, right, And he's also a really big player,

698
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, two are and twenty pounds. I don't know

699
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: when you go to the tape and you don't see

700
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: speed concerns and you don't see you know, instinct concern

701
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: or in any of these concerns that are now popping

702
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: up in the combine, I think you have to lean

703
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: into that a bit now. I think there's more reason, right,

704
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: you can't just ignore data. I think there's more reason

705
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: now to see him as you know, a ten to

706
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: fifteen player than like this consensus top three type of guy.

707
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: I think there's more reason to buy into that, especially again,

708
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: I probably say that a thousand times on this podcast.

709
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: But positional value, right like, safety is not an overly

710
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: valuable position in terms of how much they're paid on

711
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: the open market. Now is it increasing in value his

712
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: team start to play two absolutely more too high looks.

713
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: You're looking for guys that can do different things. Safety

714
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: position is getting increasing in on field value by a lot.

715
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: Same with into your defensive line, specifically those like two

716
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: gaping run stopping defensive tackles. Jordan Davis has more value

717
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: now than he did five five years ago when there

718
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: was a lot more single high looks. So I'm a

719
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: big cal Hamilton's guy. I think he's going to be

720
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: this type of player right that. Maybe it is a

721
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Derwin James like fall. You know Derwin James falls the

722
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: seventeen overalls, the Los Angeles charters, and it's one of

723
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: the more productive safeties when healthy. I think Cayl Hamilton

724
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: could see a similar fall into this twenty range and

725
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: team is gonna get a really productive, versatile player. I

726
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: talked to Brian Kelly when he was still the coach

727
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame and he said, I've never coached a

728
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: more versatile player. I think that that that that comment

729
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: from him, and just to tape combine, I think it

730
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: doesn't really just speak more to me than seeing him run,

731
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit slower than maybe people expected.

732
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's easy to say he can't cover wide receivers,

733
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and I've said it too, and that's fine. But when

734
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: you have a guy that can play too high single

735
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: high box and cover tight ends, if you're a d

736
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: C and you can't figure out how to use that guy,

737
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: go get a new job, all right. I mean that

738
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: that is versatility. I agree with you, and I think

739
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: once you get to the point, I get it, you

740
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: want to pick the three offensive tackles over them, the

741
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: top three or four pass rushers, the top couple of

742
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: cornerbacks was or you know, big time positions. I get it.

743
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: But once you're to the sign between him and like

744
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Petting and you know guys like that, I don't.

745
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can, you know, just dismissed

746
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: the even with the positional value thing and say all

747
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: right at eleven or twelve, Uh, he's he's not worth

748
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: that pick. I don't see it this wide receiver class,

749
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: when do you start going there? And I guess the

750
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: question I find interesting, how big do you think the

751
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: drop off is Austin from the Drake London Garrett Wilson

752
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:58,959
Speaker 1: area of this class to the Pickings sky More area

753
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: of this class? Like for me, would it shock me

754
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: in three years that like sky Moore is a better

755
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: player than more productive than Chrystal Lava. I wouldn't be

756
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: shocked by that. How do you how big of a

757
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: drop you think it is between that kind of top

758
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: guys in the thirty five type of guys in this class.

759
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: It's such a little drop off, and I think it's

760
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: a great point from you, right. I think that Drake London,

761
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: Crystal Lava, Jamison Williams are my top three receivers in

762
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: this class, and they're in that kind of tier one

763
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: in this class. But like I think there isn't a

764
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: drop off. I don't think there's a drop off in

765
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: talentil After like Christian Watson, who's wide receiver twelve on

766
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: my board, then you get to some kind of slot

767
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: only types or big bodied, slower athletes. I think the

768
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: first twelve receivers in this class all have tools and

769
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: trying you know, can project it's like productive players in

770
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. Like I said, there's a lot of high

771
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: end wide receiver to ceilings in this class, right. I

772
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: feel that about Drake London as the number one player,

773
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: and I feel that about George Pickens is my number

774
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: seven player in this receiver class. So I do think

775
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: that there is not a lot of drop off, and

776
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I think it could ultimately put you know, make it

777
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: to where Jamison Williams is one of the highest drafted

778
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: receivers in this class, even with the injury Drake London.

779
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: But then after that you start to see, you know,

780
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 1: this receiver class trip out a little bit more more

781
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: in the back end of the first round, in the

782
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: top second. So I think a lot of receivers are

783
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: gonna get drafted in the top fifty. I think it

784
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: could be eight plus type of guys, but not like

785
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: I said at the top right, I think Jamaar Chase,

786
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: Jamante Smith, Janal Waddle all better receiver prospects than any

787
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: of the receiver prospects in this class. So I think

788
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a lot of teams will see that. I think the

789
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: first receiver comes off the board in that either at

790
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: eight the Atlanta Falcons or tend of the Jets. That's

791
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: where I see the first receiver coming off the board,

792
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: whether that's London or or Garrett Wilson or hell even

793
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. But after that, I think it drips out

794
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: a little bit um into the late round one and

795
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: then top of day two. You know, I think Jamison

796
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Williams is interesting before we jump off a wide receivers

797
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: because you get to the second half of this draft

798
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: and you have a bunch of teams that are trying

799
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: to win now that need wide receivers. Right. You mentioned

800
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: the Saints already they're trying to win. Now, Chargers trying

801
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: to win, now, Packers trying to win now, Chiefs trying

802
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: to win. Now. Do you think that they get scared

803
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: off by the A C L They pass on him

804
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,239
Speaker 1: because they don't want to risk the guy that might

805
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: not show up till October and he might drop a

806
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: little bit further than he should. Because for me, Austin,

807
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he's my number one one receiver in

808
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: this class. I think he's that different. Like you watch

809
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: all these receivers, the one guy that looks different, that

810
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: guy looks different, right, But do you think the injury

811
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: might push him to add a little bit or No.

812
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: I think there's a chance. Right, he's my wide receiver

813
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: one in this class if he's fully healthy. He moves different, right,

814
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: I think the way I've kind of explained it is,

815
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a better mover in this class.

816
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: Like he moves at a different speed. He's he's kind

817
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: of he's really he's similar to a lobby in that

818
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: he's like smooth with how he runs routes, but faster, right,

819
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: so he's more explosive. We could do so many different things.

820
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: I think Jamison Williams, the concerns will be the injury,

821
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: and there are maybe some other concerns. Right, doesn't play

822
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: as strong as you probably want. You need to add

823
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: that weight back, you know, in addition like being healthy.

824
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: I think another part of it's like he waited in

825
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: the combat one seventy eight said he plays at one right,

826
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: adding that way back getting into the swing of things

827
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: could push him into like an October type of star.

828
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: He's his goal and every time you talk to like,

829
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: you know the player us that are you know recovering

830
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: from these injuries. He wants to be ready by training

831
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: camp ready by training camp ready by the preseason. I

832
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: think it's more likely that he misses misses the off

833
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: season program than is maybe you know, starting to flow

834
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: back in similar like Rashod Bateman's timeline to return. That's

835
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: what I see more with Jamison Williams. But that's gonna

836
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: drive him down and give some team a really valuable player.

837
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: Does that rule out him being the first receiver off

838
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: the board? Absolutely not. I think there are teams that

839
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: probably still view him as the wide super one and

840
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: don't care if he misses hell the entire rookie season,

841
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: knowing what he can be in year two and year three.

842
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he gets past the charges at seventeen.

843
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, I think that's the floor for

844
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams. I'd be so excited to see him in

845
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: that offense with Mike Williams and Keen now And I

846
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: think he's a perfect compliment to what they already have

847
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: in that offense, and hell, one of the best quarterbacks

848
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: in the a f C as well. You want to

849
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: see just On Herbert throw the ball like eight yards

850
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: in the air. Yeah, so do I be too? Uh Um.

851
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: Derek Stingley. This is gonna air on Wednesday. We're recording

852
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday, so when people are watching this, they've

853
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: likely will have seen the Derek Stingley road day. Can he,

854
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: you think, push himself? I know you guys see him there.

855
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if the rest of the world does.

856
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Can he push himself back into cornerback one conversation? You

857
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: think with a good enough pro day. I think he's

858
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: already in the cornerback one conversation for some teams in

859
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the league. Right. I think the media is a bit

860
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: lower on him because they haven't seen him play a

861
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: ton since obviously his true freshman season in that twenty

862
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: nineteen run with L s U. I'll say this, and

863
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I said the entire previod process. I don't think we'll

864
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: ever see as good of a season from a true

865
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: freshman cornerback in the SEC. Ever, Again, like it was

866
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: the most impressive season, I think we'll ever see borderline

867
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: defensive player, right, And to do that at eighteen years

868
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: old against the flight of NFL caliber receivers is so

869
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: rare that I'm buying into that. I'm buying into that projection.

870
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: And you know, you hear some conversations about maybe Derek

871
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: Stanley not being like an alpha in this class and

872
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: not a chirpy corner, maybe not willing like toughness to

873
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: play through injury and all that stuff. I don't know.

874
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't really buy into that stuff. I see it

875
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: very similar to Thibodeau, right, Like, I don't buy into

876
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: some of these conversations that I'm not having with these players, right,

877
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: I'm not having with these coaches. And I think often

878
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: times when you do talk to coaches that coach came

879
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: on CIMA or coaches there at l s U that

880
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: coach Derek Stanley, you see you hear a different things.

881
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: So I'm buying Derek Stanley's production in twenty nineteen and

882
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: buying the fact that he's one of the rare athletes

883
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: in this class. And I don't think he gets past

884
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: Minnesota atwelve. Like if he goes to Baltimore at fourteen,

885
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the bigger steals of the draft, right,

886
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: And if he keeps dripping down I would be stunned.

887
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you're this is a really talented player that

888
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: has battled injuries and also battled you know, what was

889
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: obviously an interesting post championship run by Edward durn and

890
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: that coaching staff. Right, there's a reason he got pushed out,

891
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: and there's some difference in the opinion there. So I

892
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 1: think he's had a really tough go in terms of

893
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: injuries and just kind of like support there at l

894
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: s U coming after his twenty nineteen season. So I'm

895
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: buying into a lot of what he was and what

896
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: he can be. In the NFL Dome. Is your chance

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902
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: is my fun thing. I like talking to you guys

903
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: at PFF with because you guys do view these guys

904
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: differently than others. You have more data than anybody. So

905
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: give me a few guys that you guys really like

906
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: that maybe the rest of the world isn't as high

907
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: on that you think, and give some teams some really

908
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: good value on day two and day three some some

909
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: really good value. I do think that I am again

910
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: looking at this into your defensive line class and it's like,

911
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: you give me Travis Jones. Travis Jones on day two

912
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: is a starter. I think he can be like a

913
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl caliber talent that's probably not gonna go on

914
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: day one because it's just a value of the position

915
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: and obviously like some of the small school stuff as well,

916
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: but like you get you give me the that starter value.

917
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: As knows. I think it's a really good athlete that

918
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: would have been more often highlighted as that if Jordan

919
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: and Davis didn't like legitimately, like his testing was great,

920
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Like Jordan Davis screwed that kid over and I'll give

921
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: you one sleeper. And this is a receiver I'm super

922
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: high on. I just talked on talking with him yesterday.

923
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Is bow Melton of Rutgers, Right, Rutgers. You hear Rutgers

924
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, you know, I don't know, it's

925
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: you know what happened. He's a four star from Jersey

926
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: and he had offers to Michigan, Boston College. He's big

927
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: Power five programs. Stayed true to Jersey and said, now

928
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm playing for Rutgers. My dad playing for Rutgers. This

929
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: means a lot to me four three speed, smooth route runner.

930
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I compare him to Eddie royal Am. I taking him

931
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: over some of the like true outside guys in this class.

932
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: Probably not a lot of teams have already told him

933
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: that he's going to play in the slot in the NFL.

934
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: But man, I'm buying into that speed. I'm buying into

935
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: that polish. He's a veteran type. He's played five years

936
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: at Rutgers. You get that guy on day two, day three.

937
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: I think he could slip to day three. I think

938
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: you're getting a really polished player at the slot. And

939
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: when you compare him to some of the other guys

940
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: in this class that people do really like, I think

941
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: he's comparable, right, everyone likes Khalil Shakira, boys he stayed.

942
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: I think he's comparable and even a better athlete. Everyone

943
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: likes um John Mechi of Alabama, Calvin Austin of Memphis.

944
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm right in that tier with him. I think bow

945
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: Melton's that good. I like him over David Bell, like

946
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: him over Romeo Dubs Wandall, Robinson, Kyle Phillips. I think

947
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: bow Melton is going to be this guy on day two,

948
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: day three, someone comes away really impressed with what he

949
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: can do from the slot. You know, the one thing

950
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: that impressed me about bow Melton. You know we uh

951
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: we were both at the Senior Bowl. That second day

952
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 1: was a mess. It was raining, it was nasty, water,

953
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: backs couldn't throw the ball. Hall The best wide receiver

954
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 1: that day was actually bow Melton, And I thought he

955
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: played great in that bad weather. And I think if

956
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: you're a Northeastern team and you're looking for a guy

957
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: that can, you know, he's a Rutger's gonna make sense

958
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: Jersey gay right that if I thought that was a

959
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: pretty impressive performance that he was not bothered by that

960
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: rain at all. I do think that doesn't get brought

961
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: up enough with non quarterbacks, right. Everyone brings up, oh,

962
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: you got a quarterback to complain the weather and all

963
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: this stuff, and you know, I need a guy that

964
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: can like really control. It's like, dude, you need receivers

965
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: need that too. You know, you need receivers that can

966
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: play in the rain and playing the snow and playing

967
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: cold weather. I think you need tight ends that can

968
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: do that. That toughness, that extra layer of Jersey toughness.

969
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: He definitely has that as well. All Right, let's flip

970
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: the script. Then who are the guys that you and

971
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: p FF say pumped the brakes your way overvaluing this guy?

972
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: This is a trap. I think in previous draft passes

973
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: one of those names, but Apps resolutely be Trayvon Walker. Right.

974
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the production among every pass rusher in

975
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: the Power five over the last five years, going back

976
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: to seventeen, he has the ranks outside the top one

977
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: fifty and single season pass rushing production on true passss.

978
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: As a pastor, I mean that that production I'm not

979
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: buying into at all. But I think for him compared

980
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: to Sean Gary, compared to some of the other guys

981
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: that we have been lower on, I'm buying into this

982
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: high end athleticism. And I'm also buying into the fact

983
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: that he just didn't play a role that you know

984
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: that was like catered to his strength. Right, I think

985
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: what he's going to play in the NFL. I think

986
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: another guy that I'm like lower on than probably the consensus,

987
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: is Trevor Penning. I've seen Trevor Penning mocked in the

988
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 1: first you know, top ten picks six. Overall, the Caroline

989
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: Panthers love the grit, love the nastiness, but he also

990
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: leaved the scs and penalties last year. Like it's it's

991
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: a player that I think has a lot of projectible

992
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: athleticism but needs a lot of polished but that offensive

993
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: line coaches will fall in love because so eat a

994
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: leather football for breakfast, right, And I think that, in

995
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: my opinion, gets a little bit overvalued. Right. I think

996
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: we've had I've had a lot of conversations recently in

997
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: this pre JAFT process, specifically with question marks around um

998
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Derrek Stingley is an alpha and Cavon Thibodeau is committed

999
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: to football. Right. I think there's a lot of you know,

1000
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: as you know, we get continue to go through like

1001
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: this millennial phase. Right, there's like intimidating there's intimidating off

1002
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: field interests from a Stingley or AIAU. Right for for

1003
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: coaches like Dean P's who still writes on paper and

1004
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: doesn't trust people who use computers and stuff, Like, there's

1005
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: a lot of intimidating interest, you know, intimidating interest from players.

1006
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: And I think with Penning, people immediately buy into this like,

1007
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's gonna be so coach fable. He

1008
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: loves football more than anything. That's great, and I think

1009
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: you can start to overvalue that in the process, where

1010
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: maybe a guy that you know, hey likes to do

1011
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: other things, but also as a really productive player and

1012
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: has more polished probably more valued. Alright, three more rapid

1013
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: fire favorite edge defend their on Day two Wow Arnold Evokeetty,

1014
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Arnoldbakeetti a Penn States might mean too. I like him too.

1015
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: I really like Evicketty. There's a chance he doesn't make

1016
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: it to the second round, right, I think I feel

1017
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: very similar about boy A Mathe of Minnesota. Concerned a

1018
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: little bit about the arm length, though everyone's made a

1019
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: big deal at Aidan Hutchinson's arm like those guys the

1020
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: top five pick, like boy MafA A I think also

1021
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: has sub thirty three inch arms. He's explosive, but that

1022
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: shows up on tape. Arnold of the Ketty has got

1023
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: thirty four inch arms. Right, This guy think can be really,

1024
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: really productive in the NFL. I'd honestly be stunned if

1025
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: he does get to Day two. I think he's my

1026
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: favorite Day two player if he does get that far.

1027
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: And I think another one to Kingsley and agree the

1028
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: South Carolina and to he's getting devalued in this class

1029
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: because he's not a high end athlete. Great length, really

1030
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: good production in the SEC high character guy. I think

1031
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: on day two you're not getting a World Peter as

1032
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: a passworsher, right, but I think you're getting a consistent

1033
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: producer and someone that you can lean on as a

1034
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 1: legitimate starting caliber piece. I just learned something. I thought

1035
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: it was any Bari say that again for me. I

1036
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: think it's a nag Brie. Actually I talked to him,

1037
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it is. But it could

1038
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: be an Igbar right too. I think I think, I

1039
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: think you're right. I like it all right, and b A,

1040
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: I like that, all right? Cool, alright, let's go tight end.

1041
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned the tight end, and that's probably because

1042
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: we might not have one go in the top fifty picks.

1043
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: Do we have a tight end go in the second round?

1044
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: Who do you think it is? And who's a value

1045
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: play at that position in like round four? I don't

1046
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: think I'm taking a tight end in this class until

1047
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: like round three, round four. I don't love the tight

1048
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: end group. I don't think it's a really good group.

1049
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: I like Trey McBride of most of all of them

1050
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: right now, but like it's really close, right it's a

1051
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: weird tier. I feel very similar about the running back class.

1052
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I think the tight end and the running back class

1053
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: isn't that good this year. And then you factor and

1054
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: obviously two low value positions as well, it's like, okay,

1055
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: maybe you're passing on these even passed round two, round three.

1056
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: So trying to McBride Kylard state and press the four

1057
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: or five time that he rangage a little bit, smaller,

1058
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: shorter arms and what I look for at a tight end.

1059
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: That's what kind of pushes me to dul sitch the

1060
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: U c L a tight end that didn't run that fast,

1061
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: but like you see more speed on tape. I think

1062
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: you see the place speed on tape, and they've leverage him.

1063
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Knowing that Kate Dotten is an interesting one. Probably the

1064
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: biggest value that is gonna be Jeremy Rucker. I think

1065
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: Jeremy Rucker has an opportunity to the first tight end

1066
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: off the board. Really good run blocker, and that's what

1067
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: people look for. And in a tight end class where

1068
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, Darren Waller, type.

1069
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you're getting anyone in this class that's

1070
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a legitimate receiving through in the NFL. Go

1071
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: and get the guy who's maybe the best blocker, and

1072
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: if that fits your offense better than you know, some

1073
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: of these other guys that will be tier three, tier

1074
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: four type of receiving tight ends in the NFL, I

1075
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: think Ruckert could beat the value play all right. Final question.

1076
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: When you guys got your initial draft guy out and

1077
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: after the season and Johnant found sadly and you know,

1078
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: December and January we're calling us about the draft and

1079
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: they're like, well, why don't you just pick Tyler linder

1080
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Bomb at number seven? And and you know you're gonna

1081
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: feel great about it now all of a sudden, people

1082
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: are like twenties. I know, you guys love him. You

1083
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: watch the tape. There's not much not to love. I mean, look,

1084
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: he had some trouble with some those tackles, like the

1085
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: Michigan game, he got pushed back a little bit. What

1086
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: do you think the process is going to be like

1087
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: for him? As he tries to sell his Tryinosaurs Rex

1088
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: arms and his two hundred and ninety pound frame to

1089
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: the NFL teams who see it on tape. You love

1090
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: the production. He's from a great offensive line program, but

1091
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: the traits just aren't there. Yeah, I mean he's an outlier.

1092
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: He's an outlier in that. You know, when he got

1093
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: to Iowa, you know, he was a very small to

1094
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: player and not have a lot of weight. He's added

1095
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: a ton of weight. He doesn't have long arms, but

1096
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: he's over come a lot of that, right, I think that,

1097
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you bring up arm length, specifically along

1098
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: the offensive line, there are a lot of concerns. When

1099
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: you get to the tier that he's in, it's very

1100
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: low percense. How among centers, it's extremely low percent. How

1101
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: among guards, he's a center only with really good production

1102
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: that has been outlier like production for his size, especially

1103
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: playing in the big ten. I'm buying into that, but

1104
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm not buying into the top ten. You know. I

1105
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 1: think there's higher value positions and there's higher value traits

1106
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: that you can kind of attack yourself to. I think

1107
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: linder Bomb is gonna continue prove a lot of people wrong,

1108
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: even me. Right, I think he could even ultimately be

1109
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: one of the best center prospects that we've really seen

1110
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: over the last five years. But I think there are

1111
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 1: other players now in this class. Considering the traits, right,

1112
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: you have the factor be in. It's similar to Hamilton's,

1113
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: very similar to Hamilton's. Right, Hamilton's is this top player.

1114
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: The traits are not maybe what people expected, but the

1115
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: production and the tape and and what he's able to do.

1116
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're buying into. It's gonna push

1117
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: him down a bit, but not ultimately. I don't think

1118
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: out of the first round. I think Lindar Bomb is

1119
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: still gonna be a first round player. I'd be hard

1120
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: pressed to see him. You really get past the bill

1121
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: bills at five, I think makes a ton of sense.

1122
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: I think in that twenty to thirty two range, there

1123
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: will be teams jumping at it all right, final follow up,

1124
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: If you're sitting there, then at and you see, I

1125
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: mean into your offensive lineman, They're all still there. Zion

1126
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: is there, Green is there, Linda bombs there. You could

1127
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: pick any one of those three guys. You have an

1128
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: equal need at garden Center. Which one of those three

1129
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: you guys do you pick first? Austin, which one do

1130
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: you pick? Second? Which guy do you pick third? It's

1131
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: tough man. I I think linder Bomb probably makes is

1132
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: probably my guy, but I keep I keep struggling with

1133
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson. I love Dion Johnson long arms for the

1134
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: guard position, can play center, and guard really has like

1135
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: a like start tomorrow type of frame for him and

1136
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: start tomorrow type of game as well. I think Zion

1137
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: Johnson probably would be the guy I take because I

1138
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: just feel so good, especially if you're drafting in that tier. Right.

1139
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: If you're drafting in that range, you're looking for guys

1140
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: who can come and compete and play right away. Zion

1141
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: Johnson's exactly that. And if since Dative Angelson add like

1142
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: four new starters along the offense planet, be allowed to

1143
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: go to them if he gets that far. But now

1144
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I feel more confident that he could go to the

1145
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 1: Cowboys at twenty four, right. I think you can go

1146
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different places in that twin range because

1147
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: people are looking for starters at guard, and if you

1148
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: get one like on Johnson, I think that's gonna be

1149
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: a win. And by the way, who's to say Zion

1150
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: is not your starting center in a year too? Right?

1151
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean he can. I think he can do that too.

1152
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you. My order would be Zion linder Bomb

1153
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: and then Green Um Green. I don't know his movement

1154
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: skills even on tape, like he's powerful, he moves guys,

1155
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: He's he's little, He's a little unbalanced. He's a little sloppy.

1156
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: The way he moves his past pro would I think

1157
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: would worry me a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, tell the

1158
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: folks about your podcast with Mike, but we've had on

1159
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: the show obviously everything else you're doing over Pro Football Focus. Yeah,

1160
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: definitely check out my podcast that's Tailgate wherever you get

1161
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: your podcast, like an NFL draft, college football, all that

1162
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: stuff all year round. And we also have Hutch coming

1163
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: out on April thirteenth, four part podcast series where we

1164
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: sit down with eight and Hudsonson and fifty other people

1165
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: to really tell his story. It's and it's an interesting one.

1166
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: It's a crazy one to be a projected numbered overall pick.

1167
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: A lot goes into it and I think he details

1168
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: that very well. And we also go through the insane

1169
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: one Michigan season right o, how State winning in Arbor?

1170
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: All that stuff fantastic on Hutch And then make sure

1171
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: to check out PF dot com a lot of content

1172
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: going into the draft. Do you know how much older

1173
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: you actually got on tape for that Hutch podcast that

1174
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: in the cutting it down? Is it? Yeah, it's about

1175
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: twelve hours of audio. That's going to be about five hours.

1176
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: So we did. We did a lot, a lot of

1177
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff on the cutting room floor.

1178
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: It's a very saturated piece of content. So I'm excited

1179
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: about that. It should be great. Check out Austin good stuff.

1180
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to you soon. All right, absolutely, thank you.

1181
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: We're three weeks from the draft. Austin got from Pro

1182
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Football Focus. Stay tuned to the Johnson Podcast. We'll cover

1183
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: it all.