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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth Bizarre and Lazar, Hello, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined us always by our bar gap.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bark.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts about Boston sports and Boston

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Speaker 1: sports culture and doing this job and being a fan

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Speaker 1: of the Boston sports teams is that we are championship

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Speaker 1: driven people. We are championship driven. Like we do not

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Speaker 1: celebrate wild card wins with parades or banners or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. All right, we don't do that here. We

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Speaker 1: are super Bowl or bust. We are title or bust.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't lose that. Like, That's a great part about

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Speaker 1: this city and uh, these sports fans. Well, Bart, I

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Speaker 1: gave the house money take last week. I gave the

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Speaker 1: house money takes changed. I stand by it in the

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Speaker 1: moment of course, Oh yeah, I stand by in the

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Speaker 1: moment of the context of what we knew at this

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Speaker 1: time last week on Saturday, and I'm sitting on my

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Speaker 1: couch my lovely wife, and we're watching h probably the

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Speaker 1: Bruins game at this point, because you know her, you

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Speaker 1: got to put the Bruins game on. But I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there waiting for, you know, the second game to start,

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Speaker 1: and I looked down at my phone and I got

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Speaker 1: a push notification that says stunner Colon bo Nick's fractures

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Speaker 1: ankle out for the rest of the season, and I just,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, my energy completely shifted from I

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Speaker 1: don't really care what happens on Sunday, house money, gravy

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Speaker 1: if they keep winning, to holy crap, they got to

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Speaker 1: win this game. Like now, there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: pressure that went on the Patriots, and I give them

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Speaker 1: a lot of credit for going out there and winning

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Speaker 1: the game. It happened so suddenly before the game on

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Speaker 1: Sunday that I imagine that maybe the players didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: feel the same way that we all did because there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of time to think about it. Really,

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Speaker 1: you know, it happened Saturday night, they played Sunday, whatever

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Speaker 2: But they absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Have changed the stakes now, you know, this has changed everything,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that they you know, we're playing with

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Speaker 1: house money before I frankly, I don't feel that way

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Speaker 1: so much anymore. I think that this is a team

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Speaker 1: and a season and in a game on Sunday where

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Speaker 1: you have had a lot of things go your way,

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Speaker 1: and these are the times where you have to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of these golden opportunities. And they did on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna recap that one. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the stuff that gets you beat

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Speaker 1: and we're going to give them their flowers for beating

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Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. But now you definitely have to go

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Speaker 1: out there and win this game on Sunday in Denver.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly how I feel about it. No more house money,

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Speaker 1: no more gravy, go out and do it.

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Speaker 3: They're in the final four.

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Speaker 2: They are in the final four.

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Speaker 4: They're in the final four. And when you get to

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Speaker 4: this point, I mean, it's not fluky to get to

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Speaker 4: this point. It just isn't And they can obviously go further.

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Speaker 4: And it's just a testament to the job that that

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Speaker 4: Mike Rabel and the staff have done and the culture

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Speaker 4: they've built right away, and the way they've maximized the

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Speaker 4: roster they inherited, the way they changed it all that,

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Speaker 4: it's just it's stunning. It really, Like even the most

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Speaker 4: optimistic of us, I think if you said, yeah, they're

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Speaker 4: going to be a win over Jared's did them away

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Speaker 4: from the Super Bowl back in September, would have called

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Speaker 4: that better than a best case scenario.

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Speaker 3: But here we are.

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. It's truly unbelievable. I have not you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna show our age air a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and one. I was nine. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 2: I was there. I experienced it.

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Speaker 3: But you were nine.

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Speaker 2: I was nine.

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Speaker 3: Are you a year older than me?

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Speaker 2: Two? I was nine. I was in the third grade. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why you do this.

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Speaker 1: I tell you how old I was, and then you

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Speaker 1: go and you question it like I thought I was six. Well,

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Speaker 1: you can worry about your your math on your own time.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same thing. When you're nine year old

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Speaker 1: going on. You don't understand the levity, you know, the

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Speaker 1: gravity of it at that point in time. Now that

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Speaker 1: you do, I think it's it's the most remarkable turnaround

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen in Boston sports. You know, absolutely, to

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Speaker 1: go from back to back four win seasons. How low

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Speaker 1: they were at the end of both those seasons too,

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Speaker 1: Not just the fact that they only won four games,

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Speaker 2: Ending the Bill Belichick era.

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Speaker 1: His immediate replacement did not work out, firing him the

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Speaker 1: day of the.

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Speaker 3: Last game of the year within an hour hour and

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Speaker 3: a half.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was. It was a bad time.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of crazy, full circlement. I didn't

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Speaker 4: realize this until I started digging into the Broncos. Bill

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Speaker 4: Belichick's last win as the head coach of the Patriots

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Speaker 4: was that Broncos was against the Broncos, Right.

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Speaker 1: Yep U Chad Ryland, ye Chad huh. Chris Christian Barmore

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Speaker 1: had a huge game in that game. Bailey Zappy, Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 2: Duking it out.

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Speaker 3: They both played well in that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we can reminisce them more as the next

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Speaker 1: two hours go. But let's talk about this game on

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Speaker 1: Sunday against the Texans, and I just continue to just be.

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Speaker 2: Extremely impressed.

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Speaker 1: Uh, talk about unbelievable turnarounds. I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: is quite as unbelievable as going from four winsday AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game, but the way the defense has completely flipped

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Speaker 1: the switch, which from the regular season to the postseason

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Speaker 1: I knew that getting their guys back was going to help,

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Speaker 1: you know, Millan Williams, certainly, Robert Splaine, Tyris Tonga. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously they haven't gotten a ton out of Harold Landry,

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Speaker 1: but Harold Landry as well in that group. I figured

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Speaker 1: that we would go back to seeing the defense that

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Speaker 1: we saw with the healthy Milton Williams for the first

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Speaker 1: nine to ten weeks of the season, which was good.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think some of the advanced metrics would

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Speaker 1: But we knew about the straight to schedule, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 1: We had no idea that I really sided, and I

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Speaker 2: I never would have guessed that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they've held the Texans and the Chargers one

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Speaker 1: were the thirtieth ranked red zone defense in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: During the regular season, they're giving up i think it

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Speaker 1: you know, causing turnovers. They are absolutely dominating the line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage through two games, and we'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of that is his opponent driven as well.

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Speaker 1: They have Phase two of the worst, if not the

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Speaker 1: and they have also you know, another thing we can

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Speaker 1: that's when they're kind of winning. With some of the

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Speaker 2: So whether it's getting.

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Speaker 1: Your guys all back, whether it's up in the play

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Speaker 1: in the postseason, all the things that the players deserve

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Speaker 1: credit for, or all the things that Mike Rabel and

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Speaker 1: Zach Corer deserve credit for, this defense is carrying them.

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Speaker 1: They are in the AC Championship game because of their defense,

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Speaker 1: which I did not expect to be saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think it comes down really to two things.

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Speaker 4: One, you talked about how we had mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 4: we were getting a lot of questions about the defense.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong, what's wrong?

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Speaker 4: What's wrong when they did kind of limp in down

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Speaker 4: the stretch there, but they were down multiple key players

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Speaker 4: playing Milton Williams right, those guys Kiris Tonga. The question

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Speaker 4: usually they're not. Usually guys come back and there's some right,

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Speaker 4: there's been no rust. Usually guys come back and there's

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Speaker 4: picked up where they left off. So that's allowed things

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Speaker 4: people were wondering at the time, like, why are they

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Speaker 4: defense that way? I think Zach Korr was getting a

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Speaker 4: lot of heat. Zach Korr has called two excellent games

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Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Yes, to your point about the play calling,

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Speaker 4: he's been outstanding. I'm sure Mike Vrabel has played a

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Speaker 4: been on a heater here these last two games and

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Speaker 4: deserves a ton of credit for what this defense has done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's start there. It was Zach Korran and

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Speaker 1: the play calling. Like I said, they they've really flipped

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Speaker 1: the script from their early down play calling sequencing in

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Speaker 1: the regular season to what it has been in the postseason.

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Speaker 2: So in the regular season, and I know it drove a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of people crazy, They're playing a lot of soft

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Speaker 1: the defensive community of coaches and things like that is

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Speaker 1: the influence from the Shanahan Tree and all this kind

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Speaker 1: if you get into that loop of run, play action pass,

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Speaker 1: play action pass, run, it's extremely difficult to stop that.

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Speaker 1: The rhythm that it creates offensively, the easy throws it creates,

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Speaker 4: It's working, and you stick with the hot hand and

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Speaker 3: Different It is two games, it's two playoff games. We

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Speaker 4: We know they can do it at a high level.

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Speaker 4: Like yep, no, there's a reason to stick with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's always been a streaky player. This is kind

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Speaker 4: He's been outstanding. It is a good year to need

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Speaker 3: Lumit.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I would prioritize bringing him back

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Speaker 3: Caliber, and that's part of it. They need even if

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like in it was A twenty

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Speaker 4: The reality is the guys in their range, not at

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Speaker 4: not have any tape on him from the last two years?

441
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Speaker 3: That was a little weird time.

442
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna beat him deep like, so

443
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, he's basically impossible to complete a deep pass against.

444
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 1: So I just I don't know if you're going to

445
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: have to target him, which is sort of where the

446
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: coverage was taking Strat a lot of the time, because

447
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: that's where you know they were leaving him one on

448
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: one on the back side a lot.

449
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 2: So like, what else are you going to kind of do?

450
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: Like you're not going to beat him, especially not without

451
00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: Nico Collins, Like you're not going to have like Jaden

452
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: Higgins or Xavier Hutchinson's not running by Christian Zalaz, although

453
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: Higgins almost did, So that was the one rep where

454
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: I thought he got kind of lucky that there was

455
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: no PI on that play. But he also kind of

456
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: got pushed off on the back shoulder, you know, slot

457
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 1: fade there, I thought as well. So I kind of

458
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: chocked those two things up to a wash because I

459
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: thought they might have kept a flag in the pocket

460
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: on that one deep target to Higgins because they didn't

461
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Speaker 1: call the first push off. That was his only big

462
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: play that he allowed. Marcus Jones obviously had to pick six.

463
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: I thought there was some stuff early that from a

464
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: zone standpoint that we'll get to in the bads that

465
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones was in the middle of. But pick six

466
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 1: is a pick six, you know, Yeah, you have a

467
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: great return there. And then Carlton Davis two interceptions, another

468
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: pass breakup. I actually thought he could have had three.

469
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: I thought the pass breakup he could have caught two.

470
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, he had two, you know three you know,

471
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: plays on the ball in this game, and he was

472
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,880
Speaker 1: really good in this game as well. But when they

473
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Speaker 1: put this cornerback trio together in the off season, a

474
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: game like this, you know, interceptions, ball production, you know,

475
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: getting getting your hands on the football, shutting guys down

476
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: in man coverage like this was this was the vision,

477
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: This is what they wanted.

478
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Speaker 3: Is exactly what you were a building tours yep under Perc.

479
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: The other thing here that I wrote down just some

480
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: like I thought, unsung heroes on the defense from this

481
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: game that didn't necessarily register on the stat sheet like

482
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: the guys but we brought up first.

483
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: I still continue to just be.

484
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: Really impressed with the with Craig Woodson and the play

485
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: that he's bringing to the table. I don't think he

486
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: gets talked about enough that this is a rookie that

487
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: has played the most defensive snaps out of any Patriot

488
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: player on defense this season and is playing well.

489
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 2: I love how fast he plays.

490
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: He is a extremely his play speat is off the charts.

491
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: He plays extremely fast, extremely hard. Broke up a couple

492
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: of passes in this game. I had the interception on

493
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: the tip ball, had a quarterback hit on a blitz

494
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 1: as well.

495
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: In this game.

496
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: He flies, you know, he flies around it, plays all

497
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 1: over the field. It's kind of crazy that he a

498
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, played in all these snaps on defense.

499
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: Now he's getting the production to back it up as well.

500
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: This was a fine, good This was a good scouting

501
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: fine by the Patriots and they were right about this pick.

502
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's we talk a lot during the draft

503
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 4: about you're not just necessarily drafting guy to draft him.

504
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 4: You don't and ironically on day three is more when

505
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 4: you don't have to follow this rule. It's more about

506
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 4: the top one hundred. But they its applies to Wilson here.

507
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 4: You don't draft a guy because like, oh, we like him,

508
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 4: he's good. We're not sure what role he'll play, but

509
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 4: we'll figure it out, right, We just we just want him.

510
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: You really want to pick players with an idea of

511
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 4: this is what this guy is going to do for

512
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 4: us in the short term and the long term, on

513
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 4: and on, and Craig Woodson, I think is an example

514
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: of a guy who they had a role for that

515
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 4: fits well, always fit well in the role they were

516
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 4: putting him in. I think that's why, you know, and

517
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 4: I was in this group, some people weren't super high

518
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: on the pick.

519
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: It was the one non consensus pick that I feel

520
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: like everybody was again right.

521
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 4: And because the role that that he's in, I don't

522
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 4: know that we like pictured existing, but they had a

523
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: role to be filled and I think they filled perfectly

524
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 4: and and it's it's worked out and that's how that's

525
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 4: how you hit on on day four. You talk about

526
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 4: hitting singles in the draft, Yeah, you know, that's how

527
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 4: you hit a lot more in a single on day three.

528
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a starting caliber player. And you know, in

529
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: the fourth round, which is you know, huge for this team,

530
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: and they needed that. They need not only do they

531
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: need to hit at the top of the draft, they

532
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: needed to start hitting on some of these gems as well.

533
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: And I know that they you know, they hit on

534
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: like the Booties and the Pop Douglases, you know, during

535
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: the end of the Belichick years too. But hitting on

536
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: a Craig Woodson in the fourth round is is crucial

537
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: for their team building because you're not gonna it's not

538
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: all going to be you know, top five picks, like

539
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: it's not all going to be Drake Mason, Will Campbell's,

540
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: so they had to hit on some of these guys.

541
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: Anthony Jennings another one that I just wrote down. I

542
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: thought he was really disruptive in this game. He had

543
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: the sack, he had a couple of hurries in this

544
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: game as well. Harold Landry is not right he's not healthy. No,

545
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: he's gutting it out with a little bit of opportunity

546
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: that they're giving him. And Anthony Jennings has taken that

547
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: role opposite of Klevon Chase On and has played it

548
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: at a really really high level. And I don't know

549
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: that could have been a really big sort of Jenga

550
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: piece if they had pulled that out with Harold Landry

551
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: and they didn't really have anybody that was capable of

552
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: replacing him, then that would have been a huge issue,

553
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, whether it had been in the run game

554
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: or the pass game. So being able to have Anthony

555
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: Jennings just kind of step up and step into this role,

556
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of I don't want to say

557
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: they got lucky, but they evaluated the safety position correctly.

558
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: They moved on from Jabrill Peppers, and they moved on

559
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: from Kyle Duggar, and they put Craig Woodson and Jalen

560
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Hawkins in and they were right.

561
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: They knew it. They were correct.

562
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: They held on to Anthony Jennings, and I don't know

563
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: if that was because he didn't have.

564
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: A market like who knows what the real.

565
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Reasons were for holding on from Anthony jen to Anthony Jennings.

566
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: But they did, and it's paid huge.

567
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: Dividends that Landry is compromising, is not himself. It's paid

568
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: huge dividends. He's been a starting caliber player for them

569
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: in the playoff and.

570
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: It's credit tam Free Jennings. Like we talked about this

571
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 4: in camp. He looked like he was going to get cut. Yeah,

572
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 4: just based on how they were using him. And was

573
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 4: it the second or I think it was the second

574
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 4: preseason game.

575
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: He was just awesome.

576
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he forced their hand, and you can do

577
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: that at times, especially on a roster that needed turnover,

578
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: was a lesser roster at the time. It was a

579
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: coaching staff that was at the front office that was

580
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 4: clearly going to overturn things.

581
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: He forced their hand to keep them.

582
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

583
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: He was just that good and so he deserves a

584
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 4: lot of credit in that too. But yeah, he's he's

585
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 4: kind of stepped into a key role for them here.

586
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: Okay, So that was the defense. I mean, there's a

587
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: lot of other things. I could probably gush about it

588
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: with the defense, but I think that does the trick.

589
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Moving over to the offense, there were some things that

590
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: I thought were good, even though it was a pretty

591
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: sloppy game. I just want to isolate, you know, some

592
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: of the things we're going to talk about with Drake

593
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: May that weren't on the goods. With the three touchdown

594
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: passes that were all spectacular throws.

595
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: I would say that one of Douglas.

596
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: Is more a spectacular play, you know, in terms of

597
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: dealing with the pressure and with the cover zero there

598
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: and sort of having an answer for that look. But

599
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: the throat of digs and the throat of booty. The

600
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: booty catch is one of the best catches I've seen

601
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: in person. I mean, that was just an unbelievable catch.

602
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: But these are the types of plays that even in

603
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: a game where I don't think he played particularly well.

604
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: On the whole of the game.

605
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: This is why the Patriots are also advancing is because

606
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: their quarterback keeps on making three or four plays a

607
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: game that are elite level plays that Justin Herbert and C. J.

608
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: Stroud have not been able to make for their teams.

609
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: And again, even on days where he hasn't been at

610
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: his best, Drake May has still made a handful of

611
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: plays that have elevated the Patriots and put the Patriots

612
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: in a position to win the football game. So whether

613
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: it was you know, in the second half against the

614
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: Chargers or the Booty.

615
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: Touchdown here, those are plays that the opponent is not getting.

616
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: And I look at all these advanced metrics that I love,

617
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: and C. J. Stroud and Drake May both did not

618
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: grade out well in this game. I actually think Stroud

619
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: actually had a higher QBR, which is crazy.

620
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know what I saw.

621
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: But Drake May made the better plays in the game. Yeah, right,

622
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: like he made the higher level plays. He made the

623
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: elite level plays. Even though the down to down success

624
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: rate was terrible. Those three individual plays and why the

625
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: Patriots advanced.

626
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is what it means being a high

627
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: level quarterback. Sometimes you're not gonna go out and throw

628
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: four hundred yards and three touchdowns every day. That's just

629
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: it's the National Football League, especially in the playoffs, not

630
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: going to happen. When you're having a down day. Can

631
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: you still make a player too to get your team

632
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: over the top, especially when the other guy can't. And

633
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: that's what Drake May did. Now, you don't want to

634
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: do that every game either. That's not good, that's not sustainable.

635
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 4: Somebody in Buffalo just got his coach fired by doing that,

636
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: but you we can talk about that well, so he

637
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 4: maynies do a better job holding onto the football first

638
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: and foremost, and that's combination things that him that's the

639
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: offensive line will get in all of that. But he

640
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: made the plays that Justin Herbert couldn't make. He made

641
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 4: the plays that CJ. Just Draft couldn't make. And that's

642
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: the difference right now, and that there is a level

643
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 4: of high level quarterbacking to that in the macro and

644
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: the micro. You don't want to be in that situation

645
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: where it's just three plays deciding the game.

646
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: You want to play a little.

647
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: More level and a little more comfortable football than what

648
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 4: Drake may is doing right now.

649
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: But credit to him.

650
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: Him and the receivers are making the plays that the

651
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: few plays they need to make to get over the

652
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: top with the defense playing spectacularly.

653
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: One hundred per Yeah, it's been the difference.

654
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: And I know that the defense I set at the

655
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: top of the show of the defense is driven the

656
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: bus and they're why they're in the AFC Championship game.

657
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: And that's one hundred percent true.

658
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: But without these three or four plays a game against

659
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: the Chargers and against the Texans, the Patriots would not

660
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: be advancing either, so you have to kind of, you know,

661
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: say the good and the bad. There the other couple

662
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: of things I had on the offense. On the goods,

663
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: I actually thought on the whole Will Campbell removed from

664
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: this conversation. I thought the rest of the offensive line

665
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: held up pretty well in this game.

666
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: I thought Jared Wilson struggled too. The right side was great.

667
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: Morgan Moses was unbelievable.

668
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson I only had for two pressures in the game.

669
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: He was the other one that had a couple pressures allowed.

670
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Morgan Moses and Garrett Bradbury both were clean and on

671
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: when it allowed. One got beat by Rankins on one play.

672
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I actually didn't think the pressure right was all that

673
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: bad in this game. PFF had it at twenty five percent.

674
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: Next Gen had a twenty five. I would say, you know,

675
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: somewhere in that twenty five to thirty ranges about right,

676
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, we'll get to.

677
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: Like, well, you know, I think there was some of

678
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: it too, is like may holding the ball too long?

679
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll get to all of that.

680
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: But I actually watching it back, I felt like they

681
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: had a lot more clean pockets and it felt like

682
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: watching it live. And I think that this tends to

683
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: happen with the offensive line and with pass protection in general.

684
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: When you have three catastrophic plays like the strip sacks were,

685
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: it just kind of throws out everything else, you know,

686
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: And I get that, and I'm not trying to, you know,

687
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: absolve or or detract from that or not mention it.

688
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: But when I went back and watched.

689
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: It, I thought that there were like probably thirty to

690
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty decent pockets and then three horrible

691
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: pockets like that can get your beat.

692
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent, And that's why it's on the list.

693
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: But I think it worthy of mentioning, especially Morgan Moses'

694
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: performance in this game. Morgan Moses pitching a shutout against

695
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: Daniel Hunter is extremely impressive. Yeah, And the one sack

696
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: that was happened, you know, on his side, Drake May

697
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: drifted into and I put that one more on May

698
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: than I did on Moses. The fumble that was backed

699
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: up near the Patriots own goal line, I felt like

700
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: was more on Drake May. So in general, I just

701
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: thought that the line was much better than I thought

702
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: it was watching live. The last one here, I'm just

703
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: gonna gush a little bit about this. The six minute

704
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: drive in the fourth quarter was poetry like that is

705
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: cinema like that was We're just gonna run it right

706
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: down your throats. You know we're running it. We know

707
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: we're running it. Uh just you know, four minute offense,

708
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: situational football. Let's close this thing out to run it

709
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: against that defense off your own four yard line like that.

710
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: That was some big boy football like that is championship

711
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: caliber stuff. It was really freaking good.

712
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: It was really good.

713
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: I was saying to my buddy like kind of joking,

714
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: kind of not is that the bet one of the

715
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: best drives in Patriots history that didn't result in points. Yeah, like,

716
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 4: obviously you want to end with points, but if you're

717
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: not gonna get points at for the for the moment

718
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 4: that they were in right there, hell of a drive,

719
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: hell of a drive to put that essentially put the

720
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: game away.

721
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was fantastic.

722
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: And Mike on Wanhu on that drive that was we're

723
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: running behind seventy one and seventy six to the Promised Land,

724
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and those two eyes just more more's Moses and on Wenne,

725
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: but especially on Wenne with some of the reach blocks

726
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: that he made in their zone schemes to get them

727
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: off the goal line was fantastic.

728
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 7: You know.

729
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: Efkein Chisholm through some good blocks in that drive too,

730
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: had a couple of good ones. Jack Westover, I thought

731
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: was actually pretty good on that drive as well. You know,

732
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: they got the sixth offensive lineman in there, which we'll

733
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: get to in a second, and they just ran the

734
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: ball right down their throats and and also just mentioning

735
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: this real quick, the Texans were ripping at the football

736
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: as they should be in that situation. And we all

737
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: know the fumbling issues knock on wood that remind me

738
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 1: Stevenson had earlier on in the season. Every single time

739
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,479
Speaker 1: I you know, it's whether this show or I'm listening

740
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: to your station or whatever, I still hear people will

741
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: be like, I'm still worried every single time he carries

742
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: the ball that he's gonna fumble. They were coming after

743
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: the ball on that drive and he was grinding out

744
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: some dirty yards like that wasn't like he was he

745
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: had these giant holes to run through, you know, like

746
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: you see sometimes that was big boy football.

747
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: And he held onto the ball and he rammed.

748
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 4: It then went down and they went right at to

749
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: Neil Hunter, right at Will Anderson to really good run stoppers.

750
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 4: Like those guys don't get enough credit for being the

751
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 4: run stoppers they are because they were going off tackle

752
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: good amount on that drive.

753
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: They really weren't testing the middle.

754
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 2: I loved it.

755
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 3: That was awesome.

756
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: That's that was my saying right there about established the run,

757
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 4: established line of scrimmage, where him now that that that's

758
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: what I watched the game for. That was even though

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: it's in points, that was that was awesome. And they

760
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 4: have I think it's the first run of that drive

761
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 4: right where they try to hemmerm Entre into the sideline

762
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 4: and he cuts back in and he willingly takes the

763
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: hit to stay in bounds and.

764
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: He was running.

765
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: That was actually the next drive.

766
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: Okay, either way, that was a great one. That wasn't

767
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: mentioned that that was.

768
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: Another run that was you know, just situational football. Knowing

769
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: not to go out of bounds. Also Al Scheier like

770
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: try to take his head off, which of course he did,

771
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: and so you know, it was it was just great

772
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: to watch. You know that that is when the run

773
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: game really in the playoffs. And I also just thought,

774
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: you know, not to completely be pants off about this,

775
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: but this was this was awesome.

776
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 8: This was not do it.

777
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: This was football at its finest.

778
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: Uh. Like, that's you always get on my guys for

779
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: not doing that kind of thing, right like the like

780
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, you always get on the Kyle Shanahans of

781
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: the world for throwing and like in that situation, that

782
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: game was it was twenty eight to sixteen, there was

783
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: ten minutes left. You were not playing to score points

784
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: at that point. You were playing the clock. You were

785
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: trying to chew clock. And they ran six minutes off

786
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: the clock.

787
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 3: Away.

788
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: Not only did they run six minutes, they ran ten plays.

789
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: They got it out to the fifties so that they

790
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: could punt and flip the field.

791
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 7: It was.

792
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: It was just so you admit, under perfect matters in

793
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: this stuff is relevant and it it can differentiate.

794
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: You're welcome.

795
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 4: I'm just making just keep that, keep that although there's

796
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: not many of your guys left in the playoffs, and

797
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 4: are there any Sean McVay, Oh yeah, Well I've always

798
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: said mcveigh's a McVeigh I think has figured that out.

799
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: Mcveag's the one that has is better about that because

800
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: I think he had Wade Phillips for years, and Wade

801
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 4: Phillips drilled it into his head that that stuff is important.

802
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: So it was great, But that was that was That's

803
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: how you manage the clock. That's how you close out

804
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: a game. You don't have you don't go bombs away.

805
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the bads.

806
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: So handful of things on the bads and then a

807
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: couple of things on the stuff that gets to beat UH.

808
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: In terms of the play calling offensively, I don't really

809
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: have any like super major gripes with Josh McDaniel's in

810
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: this game. It seemed to me like it was a

811
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: pretty simple UH plan in terms of the passing game.

812
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: And I think the reason for it.

813
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Was all of these like crazy schemed open plays are

814
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: usually longer developing plays. Yeah, you need more time back there.

815
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: You need to either execute a fake or execute.

816
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: Some sort of you know, double cut route.

817
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, like multiple routes, combinations and levels and guys crossing

818
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: and all this different stuff. And this definitely just seemed

819
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: like we're gonna run nine to eight nine, you know,

820
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: go post go and wherever that one on one is

821
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: when Drake is thrown up and hopefully kishon Boody catches

822
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: a one handed catch against Derek Stingley at some point.

823
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 8: Yeah.

824
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was sort of what I.

825
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Think they their downfield passing game looked like because they

826
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: just knew they weren't going to have enough time in

827
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: the pocket to sit there and wait for this like

828
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: you know, well orchestrated pretty drawn up play to come

829
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: to fruition.

830
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Which probably is gonna be the same thing this week.

831
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

832
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: But so I think that that was part of the reason,

833
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: because I know that a lot of people were asking, like,

834
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: why weren't there guys open, you know, and stuff like that,

835
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of that has to do with the

836
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Texans coverage, Like the Texans are great in the back end.

837
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: We talked about that all last week.

838
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: But I think some of it had to do with

839
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: the fact that, you really it's a tougher time to

840
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: start the scheme guys open when you know the ball

841
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: needs to come out as quickly as it does.

842
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 5: Yeah.

843
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

844
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 4: My bigger thing with the play calling was could they

845
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 4: have done more six oz with Munford because they've done

846
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 4: more to help Campbell on the left side that I

847
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 4: didn't think this. I didn't think McDaniels was terrible in

848
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: this game. I didn't think it was his best game either.

849
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was what I had written down.

850
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really surprised at how little they went, like,

851
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, let's send two guys in the route max

852
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: protect play action. We're gonna put seven eight guys on

853
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and try to block it. We're

854
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna put you know, we're gonna get Monford out there

855
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: with the six offensive line. They only threw one pass

856
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: out of six offensive line the entire game. It was

857
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: that Austin Hooper play on the last drive of the game.

858
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: So they didn't do it. It wasn't part of their

859
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: game plan. It wasn't part of what they did. I

860
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: was shocked by that. I thought that would be a

861
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: major part of the game plan, just like it was

862
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: against the Chargers. You know, let's get Munford out there.

863
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Can we get seven.

864
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: Guys maybe eight with the back and the protection.

865
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Let's send Kyle Williams and Digs out on deep routes

866
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: down the field and let's try to block it and

867
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: get you know, three v two down the field and

868
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: somebody's going to be one on one and hopefully we

869
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: win a few routes that way, and they really didn't.

870
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: That wasn't the strategy was much more spread the field

871
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: type of passing game instead, and I was pretty surprised

872
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: by that. And I do think that some of that

873
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: did lend itself to Will Campbell being isolated maybe a

874
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: little bit too much. I'm not trying to absolve Will Campbell.

875
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: He's got to be better, but I thought that, you know,

876
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: other than some chips here and there, it wasn't like

877
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: they were doing anything super crazy to try to help

878
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: him out. And I thought that that was one thing

879
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: that you could kind of second guess from McDaniels in

880
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: this game. I heard Greg on with You Know Your

881
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: Station yesterday saying that maybe he outsmarted himself, thinking the

882
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: Texans are going to prepare for the six to zero

883
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: line all weeks, I'm not going to use it, which

884
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: might have been the case. But then maybe you know

885
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: a little bit too much in your head, you know,

886
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: by doing that right like, that was clearly something that

887
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: they probably had an advantage in. And it's not lost

888
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: on me that they put Munford on the field for

889
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: that drive that we just gushed about out and went right.

890
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: Right down the throat, So hopefully they kind of figured

891
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 4: that out and the hus for next week. But yeah,

892
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: I thought, I everybody knows I've raved about Josh this year.

893
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: You've raved about Josh here. I think he's had a

894
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: great season. That wasn't one of his better games of

895
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: the year.

896
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so i'd be interesting to see, you know, a

897
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: very different test with Denver. Denver is they're more of

898
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: a chaotic defense. You know, the detections are more of

899
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: like do what you do simple defense, structure defense. This

900
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: is going to be more of a chaos game on

901
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Sunday against Denver. So it's very different. So I don't

902
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: know exactly how that's going to change things, but just

903
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: something that I I agreed, you know, I think we're

904
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: both on the same page with that.

905
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: The other couple of bads here, I did not think that.

906
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson played well in this game, and this was

907
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: one of those games where I just didn't think he

908
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: was seeing it very well in terms of the rush

909
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: lanes and you know his run reads, especially on the

910
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: interior runs. I thought that there was one player perticular

911
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: I actually sent it to you on Monday, where if

912
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: he had just continued on his path right up the middle.

913
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: I think he might have scored, you know, it was

914
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: it could have been like a forty fifty yard touchdown,

915
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: that's how much open space he had with his speed.

916
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: It just felt like he was breaking, you know, cutting

917
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: into contact, like just not seeing it right. I also

918
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: just am really surprised that him on verticals out of

919
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: the backfield has not been a big part of their

920
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: offense all year, Like they haven't done that with him

921
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: at all. You know, wheel routes, you get him in

922
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: the seams, you know, whatever the case may be. I

923
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: just I'm really shocked that that's not been a bigger

924
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: part of what they have done with him, because we

925
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: saw it in camp in the preseason, and then it

926
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: just hasn't been.

927
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: I've been waiting for it, and I thought this was

928
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 4: the week, like we I think we talked about talking

929
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 4: about shows get him out. Why get him out, you know,

930
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 4: put him out on the line of scrimmage and have

931
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 4: him run. Look, it's there was kind of a trend

932
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 4: here outside of Craig Woodson, who he talked about earlier,

933
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: like a lot of the young guys struggled. Campbell did

934
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: not have a great game Wilson, who were just talking

935
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: about Henderson. Yeah, you know, Drake Bay second year guy

936
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: had his issues, so I yeah, I thought there was

937
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 4: more there for Travon Henderson against a tougher defense, against

938
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 4: a quicker defense. I wonder if it's sped up on

939
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 4: him again a little bit. But another guy that they

940
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 4: need to be better for next week.

941
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that. You know, that's a good point,

942
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of these guys.

943
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: And this is sort of what I wrote as well,

944
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: like this is a baptism by fire for all the

945
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: young Patriots on offense, May Campbell, Henderson, Wilson. This is

946
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: two of the best defenses in the NFL that they

947
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: played in back to back weeks. And I think the

948
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: Texans have a case to be the best defense in

949
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: the entire league. And this is what you've gotten thrown

950
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: into in your first taste of the playoffs, Like this

951
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: is not they have not had, at least on that

952
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: side of the ball. They have not had the luxury

953
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: of like a tomato can game where they get, you know,

954
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: a watered down defense that really probably shouldn't be in

955
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they're able to get their feet wet

956
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: at this stage at this level. This has been right

957
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: into the fire and they've struggled. The rookies have struggled,

958
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: and May has struggled a little bit, and I think

959
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Henderson's in that category as well. And we'll get to

960
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: May here in a second. The other thing just going

961
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: back to the defense, and then I want to just

962
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: kind of focus in on May and Campbell for the

963
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: last part of this. There were a couple of coverage

964
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: busts in this game that I didn't love, especially in

965
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: their quarters structures when they had the four deep guys

966
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: across the field. When you go quarters, you usually you

967
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: have four deep and then you might have only two

968
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: or three guys underneath, so there is going to be

969
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: open space underneath the defense in those shells. But the

970
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: forty two yard pass the Dalton Schultz was just a

971
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: straight up coverage bust.

972
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: There was nobody out there on him. Marcus Jones, I

973
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 2: think was supposed.

974
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 4: To be in that flat area that one, So is

975
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: that one you almost put on the pass rush because

976
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 4: Stroud was back there for a long time.

977
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: And so Stroud.

978
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: I think what happened was is Stroud he climbed the

979
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: pocket and it was looking like he was about to run. Yes,

980
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: so he came in yeah, and Schultz was blocking and

981
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: then released late into the pattern has like a check down, right,

982
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: And so Marcus Jones came to play the scramble, came

983
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: to play the quarterback and and Schultz kind of leaked out.

984
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 4: So again that's when I look at and I'm like,

985
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: do you put that almost as much on the pass

986
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 4: rush as you do the secondary?

987
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: Like you got to get home sooner?

988
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit, but I you know this in

989
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: terms of you know, in that situation, not to pick

990
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: on Marcus Jones, but like you would rather play like

991
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: let the quarterback run. Like if the quarterback runs, you

992
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: just come up and make a tackle and it's you know,

993
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: maybe it is a first down still, but it's probably

994
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: like a ten yard game, especially with a guy like Stroud.

995
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: This is not Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen, right, so

996
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: you know you get eight nine ten yards out of

997
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: it instead of forty two. So that's always one where

998
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: I kind of err on the side of, you know,

999
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: play play the receiver first, and then if he does,

1000
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, break and tan and and get on the

1001
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: other side of the line of scrimmage. Just rally to

1002
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: the ball and get him down right, and I think

1003
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: you live with that damage. The other one, Stroud just

1004
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: missed the guy in the flat. But there was another

1005
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: one later on in the game. It wasn't Schultz because

1006
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: he was out of the game at this point. It

1007
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: was there other tight end Stover I think it was

1008
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: was also wide open in the flat.

1009
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: So just some little things there.

1010
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the red zone sequence to where

1011
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: they got the touchdown wiped out by that penalty or

1012
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: the illegal shift penalty. Stroud just didn't see two open

1013
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: receivers on the fall the following next two plays, So

1014
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: like there's a little bit of that going on, you know.

1015
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: I think it's the same thing as the Charger game.

1016
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 4: In fact, always said at the beginning, one quarterback made

1017
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 4: the plays that are there to be made, the other

1018
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: the moment was too big or he got too flustered

1019
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 4: or whatever you want.

1020
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 9: To call it.

1021
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1022
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So not like again the bad Like it's not

1023
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: like something that I'm like panicked about or anything like that.

1024
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: But on every film, you're going to watch it back

1025
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: and see opportunities for the opposing quarterback. And I thought,

1026
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: watching this game back if Stroud didn't play as bad

1027
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: as he did, there was probably a lot not probably,

1028
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: there was a lot of yards he left on the

1029
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: field in this game. And so you know, I don't

1030
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: know if Stidham's going to be able to take advantage

1031
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: of it, but Matthew Stafford or Sam Darnold will. So

1032
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, that's the difference between maybe winning the Super

1033
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: Bowl and not winning the Super Bowls getting some of

1034
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: these things tightened up. All right, let's talk about May

1035
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: and the turnovers and Will Campbell and the turnovers. With May,

1036
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: I separated the turnovers with some of the other things

1037
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: that I saw between.

1038
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: The good and the stuff that gets you or the

1039
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 2: bad and the stuff that gets you beat.

1040
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: So in the bad category, I kind of chucked some

1041
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: of the sprays or some of the misthrows up to

1042
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: the weather.

1043
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 2: It was a tough weather game.

1044
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: This is two weeks in a row now that both

1045
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and we're talking about I know some people probably

1046
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: don't think much of Straut at this point, but justin

1047
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: Herbert and Drake May both throwing the ball under their

1048
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: normal sort of level of accuracy, tells me that that

1049
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: was probably a pretty tough condition to throw the ball.

1050
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: In this game, there was four or five throws like

1051
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: that again with Drake May, where he either flat out.

1052
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: Missed or he just kind of missed in a small win.

1053
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: You know. Like one of them was a deep ball

1054
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: to Kyle Williams where Kyle Williams has Lassiter beat. He's

1055
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: behind Lassiter for a big play and Drake May just

1056
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: kind of threw it to his outside shoulder just a

1057
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: little bit too much and made it a difficult catch.

1058
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Normally you see that ball out in front of Kyle Williams.

1059
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: If Drake May throws that ball in front of Kyle

1060
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: Williams and stride, it might be a touchdown. You know,

1061
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: he's behind him. And so there was just little things

1062
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: like that as he sort of gets used to playing

1063
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: in the bad weather that I noticed with him on film.

1064
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: The other thing that I was a little bit more

1065
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: alarmed about that might you know, kind of fall into

1066
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: both categories. The drifting in the pocket seems to be

1067
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: back and the issues that he was having. You know,

1068
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: some of these dropback story he's getting strip sacked feel

1069
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: a little bit too much like rookie Drake May, you know,

1070
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: where he's just kind of drifting into pressure, drifting into

1071
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: problems and causing problems in the pocket, especially the strip

1072
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: sack when he was backed up on his goal line

1073
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: where he just went right did right into Daniel Hunter.

1074
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 2: You know, you just right into him. So those ones,

1075
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 2: you know, those type of things I think are.

1076
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Just more to me and the bads like that's not

1077
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: you're going to lose games because of that necessarily, I

1078
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: don't think. But these are little things that are starting

1079
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: to pop up on film with him that you'd like

1080
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: to see him start to get corrected.

1081
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the big thing for me is it's really

1082
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 4: the first time this year he hasn't corrected an issue

1083
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: after a game. A lot of the issues he had

1084
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 4: against the Texans were similar issues he had against the Chargers.

1085
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 4: So like when he's made those mistakes here, he comes

1086
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: out the next week and he's better about it, and

1087
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 4: he didn't do that this time. So whether it's because

1088
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: it's the playoffs or higher level of defense, it's in

1089
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: his head whatever, like these things need to be fixed.

1090
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: And you gotta hope he can turn around quickly.

1091
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: So those were sort of the little things that I

1092
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of put more in the bad category, the stuff

1093
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: that gets to be I want to kind of talk

1094
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: about all four fumbles and sort of divvy up the

1095
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: blame here, blame pie. I thought there were two clear

1096
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: turnover worthy plays on May, so he had four fumbles.

1097
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: I thought two, and I'm of course taking the hail

1098
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: Mary interception out of it. That doesn't count in any

1099
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: of this. There were two clear turnover worthy plays. One

1100
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: is the one I mentioned about him drifting into pressure

1101
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: on the first strip.

1102
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: Sack backed up on his own goal line. The other

1103
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: one was, of.

1104
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Course, when he tried to scramble on the botched hand

1105
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: off with Ramind Gray Stevenson and got the ball punched out.

1106
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: I actually don't hate that he tried to run with

1107
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: that one because the blocking was still blocking a run

1108
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: play and it actually worked like they were actually getting

1109
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: a push. So you know, two hands on the football.

1110
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: You just got to protect the ball. You know, It's

1111
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: that simple. And then the one backed up on the

1112
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: goal line. You know, obviously when we also talk about situationally,

1113
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: you know, getting backed up on your own goal line

1114
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: and also getting stripsacked right before halftime, like those are

1115
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: two situations where you just can't have it, like you know,

1116
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: and you really really really lucky on the one on

1117
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: the goal line that wasn't a fumble six like that

1118
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: that easily could have been scooped and scored by the

1119
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: Texans for a walk in touchdown, or even if they

1120
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: just recover it. You know they're gonna be scrimmaging from

1121
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: their own two yard line, right, So they are the

1122
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: Patriots two yard line, I should say, so they're probably

1123
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: gonna score touchdown on that play. He was very fortunate

1124
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: with the fumble luck, so those two ones too, I

1125
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: clearly put on him. There was then one stripsack, blindside

1126
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: stripsack on Will Campbell that was flat out on Will Campbell,

1127
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no way you can survive a

1128
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: sack that happens in two point four seconds like that is.

1129
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: I think some of them were holding the ball too long.

1130
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: That was not one of them, no, uh.

1131
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: And then the third one, I kind of split the

1132
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: baby here a little bit because I thought on the

1133
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: one that he was backed up and on this one

1134
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: he's loading up to throw downfield, right, And I have

1135
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 1: no idea who he's trying to throw the ball.

1136
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 4: Not just that, I think, isn't there an element of like,

1137
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 4: because I know Brady used to do that, not just Brady,

1138
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: like other quarterbacks have done this. I don't want to

1139
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 4: hold them to the Brady standard, but like you, if

1140
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 4: you sense that pressure is coming behind you, right, yeah,

1141
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: you can't do the full wind up because you don't

1142
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: have time or frankly the room.

1143
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: Right.

1144
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 4: And it's like in basketball, if there's zero point five

1145
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 4: seconds on the clock, you're not going to do your

1146
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 4: full jump shot.

1147
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: You don't have time.

1148
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: You got to kind of quickly, so you know, I

1149
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: in those moments, and he did this earlier this year.

1150
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 4: And this is the whole when you talk about like

1151
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 4: the Josh Allen thing, right, the little flip or this

1152
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: or whatever, can you get out to somebody even if

1153
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: you're just getting it to your running backs feet and

1154
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: it's incomplete Like he'd been good about that, and I

1155
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 4: thought in this game there were a couple of times

1156
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 4: where he fully loaded up when like he very regardless

1157
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 4: of who he's throwing to.

1158
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 3: Yep, he didn't have time to fully load up. You

1159
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: got to just kick that ball out of your eye.

1160
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: I think we're saying the same thing, which is good

1161
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: because your point's good too. Yeah, he's trying to hit

1162
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: a guy that's like, you know, running a vertical route

1163
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: down the field when he knows that he's probably one

1164
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: on onto his blind side with Will Campbell against Will Anderson, Like,

1165
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: you probably don't have the luxury now you want to

1166
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: pick on McDaniel's there a little bit too for calling

1167
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: vertical routes against that pass right totally valid, But I

1168
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: also just think that to your point, like there's a

1169
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: different sort of arm angle, different sort of like slot.

1170
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 3: That you kind of come out of quickly.

1171
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1172
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: And secondly, you know, you just the other stripsack that

1173
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about here.

1174
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm just watching the film.

1175
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to throw the ball deep to Diggs, Yeah,

1176
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: and then the other one, I think he's trying to

1177
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: throw the ball deep to Pop And in both instances,

1178
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: I feel like the guys are covered, so like I

1179
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: feel like he's throwing he's fully winding up when he

1180
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: knows that he's going up against an elite pass rusher.

1181
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fully winding up. And I don't exactly know

1182
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: where he was trying to go.

1183
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: I didn't even get to the point of looking for

1184
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: he's trying to go, Like I I part of me

1185
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 4: was like remember last year he had that problem where

1186
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 4: he kept throwing the ball away like barely, Yeah, and

1187
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 4: it got picked off a couple of times.

1188
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know when he throws the ball away, now

1189
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: he hums it.

1190
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1191
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 3: I kind of figured he was just winding up to

1192
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: throw it away, but he was again when he throws

1193
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: the ball away.

1194
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 2: That would certainly be a better explanation, but it's.

1195
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: Still you need to that's the one that throw it

1196
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 3: at the running backs feet.

1197
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the and only he can answer that question right

1198
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: of where he was trying to go with the football,

1199
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: the one.

1200
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: Uh, maybe he was going I don't know, Well, that's.

1201
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: Just where his eyes and where he was pointing and everything.

1202
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: It looked like where he was going the one to pop.

1203
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: You know, maybe he was just going to try to

1204
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: like him or nobody loft it.

1205
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: See that's what I mean sort of thing.

1206
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: You know, he did have, like Henry in the flat

1207
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: that maybe he could have just taken the check down

1208
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: and punted and that finished the drive with a kick, right,

1209
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: Like that would have been better. Uh, the the one

1210
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: that digs I just didn't think it was a great read.

1211
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: You know, like they have the single high safety in

1212
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. Now the safety is reading

1213
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: his eyes, so you know, you have to put that

1214
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: out there. And I think this kind of comes back to,

1215
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: you know, when you face a pass rush like that too,

1216
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: Like he's looking at Diggs and Booty's one on one

1217
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 1: on the back side with nobody over the top because

1218
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: the safety is in the middle of the field and

1219
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: he's getting moved. So like, ideally, if you have more time,

1220
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: like you move the safety and then you come back

1221
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: to Booty and you hit the one on one with Booty.

1222
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 2: But this just wasn't that kind of game.

1223
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: And I think that that's sort of the next iteration

1224
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: for Drake May is the time in the pocket, like

1225
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: understanding managing the game, understanding what you're going up against,

1226
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: who you're facing, you know, is are my tackles one

1227
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: on one? Do they have chip help? Do they not

1228
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: have chip help? You know, one of those two strip

1229
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: sacks they did. Campbell did have help one of them

1230
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: he didn't, you know, like knowing these kinds of things

1231
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: I think are the next iteration of him. The last

1232
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: thing that we have to mention, you know, some of

1233
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: this is on Will Campbell, and Will Campbell has to

1234
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: play a lot better. I'm not ready and I think

1235
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: that it's partially and I know people probably think that

1236
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm dodging it because we're Will Campbell guys.

1237
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: You know, all the people want to just take their

1238
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 4: victory lap on social media about him moving to guard.

1239
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 2: Here, I'm just ready to have that conversation real quick.

1240
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I'm just not ready to have that conversation

1241
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: because we're in the middle of a playoff run.

1242
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: Like, like, that's an off season conversation to me. So

1243
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: we'll get to that.

1244
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 4: Well, I'll just say this, where are you getting a

1245
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 4: better left tackle? Yeah, they're not gonna being free agency.

1246
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 4: We've been through this and like at thirty two in

1247
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: the draft, you can't just move him to pat yourself

1248
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 4: on the back.

1249
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: I told you he was a gord. If you get

1250
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 3: worse at left tackle, it doesn't help you.

1251
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 4: So and plus and I talked with David Andres about

1252
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 4: some Monday. Do you think he's fully healthy?

1253
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: I don't see any evidence that he's not, but there's

1254
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: absolutely the case that that could be the case.

1255
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he might not be showing it because

1256
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 4: he's compensating, but like it's that it's his drive leg

1257
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 4: it's the right leg, it's the right knee.

1258
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1259
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just and also Will Anderson's a top

1260
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 4: three pass run yeah, so not to not to I

1261
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: know I'm making excuse here, not some excuse, but like

1262
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: you don't want to make don't don't do the entire

1263
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 4: season evaluation off one game.

1264
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I al would say that, you know, this is a conversation,

1265
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of his longevity there at the

1266
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: position that i''ll you know, we can have real quick.

1267
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1268
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, back in the day with Matt Light,

1269
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: who was a Patriot Hall of Famer, a really solid

1270
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: NFL left tackle for like a decade. Matt Light was

1271
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: good fifteen out of twenty weeks out of the year,

1272
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: seventeen out of twenty weeks out of the year. There

1273
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: was two games and maybe three if you want to

1274
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: count the playoff games that they faced against the guy

1275
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mention that he struggled Jason Taylor, Yeah, who

1276
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: just flat out eight his lunch. Jason Taylor was a problem.

1277
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: And Jason Taylor is it wearing a gold jacket. He

1278
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: was an NFL Hall of Famer. And I think Will

1279
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 1: Anderson and Miles Garrett are going to also be wearing

1280
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: gold jackets someday. Yeah, Miles Garrett one hundred percent will

1281
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: be Will Anderson if he continues on this track. The

1282
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: other guy that he had trouble with Matt Light was

1283
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeny. Yeah, so those were two of the best

1284
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: pass rushers of his era that were both in the

1285
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: Pro Football Dray Freeney's in the Profleball Hall of Fame. Right,

1286
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: they're they're both They're both in the Hall of Fame,

1287
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: I think, And so do you do you make the

1288
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: switch of Cambell going from left tackle to left guard,

1289
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: because in two games against Miles Garrett and Will Anderson

1290
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: he's given up four sacks, right, or do you look

1291
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: at it and say, Okay, so we might need to

1292
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: manage him schematically a little bit when we go up

1293
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: a level to those elite, elite guys, But against ninety

1294
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: percent of the league, he's gonna be perfectly fine at

1295
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: left tackle. And I think that's the conversation that you

1296
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: need to have. I would also mention I think that

1297
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: he would be an outstanding run blocking guard. Yeah, I'm

1298
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure that moving him inside is

1299
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: going to make him a better pass.

1300
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: Player's just technical stuff that he needs to get better at.

1301
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 4: And he's a rookie, right he's going to have the

1302
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 4: You hope he's gonna have the year two jump. You

1303
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: hope he's gonna come back next year. He'll be healthy,

1304
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 4: he'll be improved.

1305
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: All of that.

1306
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Speaker 4: Now, that doesn't help I mean, it's Denver, and it

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Speaker 4: doesn't help them if they make the super Bowl and

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have to continue to manage that. His knee

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 4: is probably not gonna get if it's if he's not

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent now, he's probably not gonna be a

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Speaker 4: hundred percent by Sunday.

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Speaker 3: But there is a long term picture here too.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with him technically that I

1314
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: would like to see him improve on is his anchor,

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Speaker 1: if he can.

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Speaker 2: Sit back a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people want him to bring

1318
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: the fight to them because of the arm length and

1319
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe be a little bit more aggressive. But I think

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Speaker 1: what happens when you know what Dad is is that

1321
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: when he gets so aggressive, like he's gonna overseet when

1322
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Speaker 1: he gets aggressive like that, and then he's gonna end

1323
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Speaker 1: up having more blowbys. I think i'd rather him die

1324
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Speaker 1: slowly then then go if you try to go out

1325
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Speaker 1: and get guys, especially well schooled rushers like Anderson, like

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna swim here, They're just gonna spin inside

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Speaker 1: or something like that.

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Speaker 4: And you're gonna go and that, And that's where you know,

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Speaker 4: the big concern is with me for him now, I

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Speaker 4: know talking to David and I just keep citing him

1331
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Speaker 4: because obviously knows much more.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he mentioned that he thought he saw some instances

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Speaker 4: where Campbell was maybe trying to do too much and

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Speaker 4: you know, trying to do like like fake jab.

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Speaker 2: In his hands and this and that and like independent

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Speaker 2: hands stuf.

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Speaker 4: You just don't want it to get in his head.

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Speaker 4: And there was that moment he was on the tunne

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Speaker 4: where Rabel gives him like the chin up. I think

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Speaker 4: that's important, right, just you know you don't want it.

1342
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Speaker 4: You don't want the issue compounding, like, hey, you had

1343
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Speaker 4: a rough week, two rough weeks. That's life in the NFL.

1344
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Speaker 4: Like you got to get back out there and be

1345
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Speaker 4: better and not let it get to you. Like that's

1346
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Speaker 4: my big concern with him right now.

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Speaker 1: Last thing, and we have to take a break on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we can talk about this some more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, after the break, Sure we have calls about it.

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Speaker 1: I think the number one thing that I just look at,

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Speaker 1: like I was saying, if he can improve his anchor

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Speaker 1: to the point where he can really rely on it,

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Speaker 1: then he can kind of like win the second phase a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit more, which is what he's done. He didn't

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Speaker 3: can't we still do that?

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Speaker 2: So like he might not ever be able to get

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Speaker 2: his hands on the guy first.

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Speaker 1: Like that might just be especially against some of these

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Speaker 1: longer guys, you know, away with the Chargers gave him

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Speaker 1: some problems because of his length, Anderson I thought gave

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Speaker 1: him some problems because of his length. These longer guys

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Speaker 1: that are just gonna have the you can't grow his arms, right,

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Speaker 1: So the longer guy might he's only twenty one, maybe

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Speaker 1: the guys that have that reach advantage that he has.

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Speaker 1: If I, if I was, you know, I would hope

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Speaker 1: that maybe with some more you know, technique work, with

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Speaker 1: some more NFL weight room work, like all that good stuff,

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Speaker 1: if you can win the second phase where Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna kind of concede that you're gonna get your hands

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Speaker 1: on me, but then I'm gonna be able to have

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Speaker 1: you know, like, can we develop like a snatch move

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Speaker 1: where the guy gets his hands on him and then

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Speaker 1: he just punches his hands off of him and kind

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Speaker 1: of just ends the rep. Can you develop a more

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Speaker 1: sturdy anchor so that you can just kind of sit

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Speaker 1: back and just absorb the contact instead of having to

1377
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: be so aggressive with the set. I think those are

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Speaker 1: the types of things that he will sort of start

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Speaker 1: to work on and learn as we move forward here.

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Speaker 2: And I think he can still be a really good

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Speaker 2: NFL left tackle.

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Speaker 7: I really do.

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. But can he be a Mallie

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Speaker 1: Mattlite Nate Solder?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so.

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Speaker 1: back and we'll open it up a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: We're getting hit by some snow. We're getting hit by

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Speaker 1: something we got. It does sound like yeah on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So definitely time of year where that might you know,

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Speaker 1: you need a snowblower. Today it's freezing. It's like twenty

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Speaker 1: degrees out. Maybe it's on Saturday, it's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: the single digit's getting snow in.

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Speaker 2: The area as well.

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Speaker 1: But it's not supposed to be that bad in Denver.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be in like that, just be

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Speaker 1: like high forties and sunny. No, it's it's it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be in like the mid to high thirties. It was

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Speaker 1: that at one point, though I think that moved to

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Speaker 1: like Saturday or Monday or whatever. But yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not gonna be too bad. All right, Let's get to

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Speaker 1: the emails, Let's get to some of the calls, and

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Speaker 1: then we're going to talk about the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 2: Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we'll wait a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up? Hey? How were doing?

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Speaker 13: Not too dead? It's just a few things, Alex. I

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Speaker 13: don't know if you remember me. Call them the Sunday

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Speaker 13: morning kickoff show. But I predicted the score at twenty

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01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 13: seven to sixteen, So nailed it. There you go. You guys,

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Speaker 13: do you see this being more of an the ball

1465
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 13: Remondre Stevenston type of game with that big jumbo personnel

1466
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 13: and kind of pick and choose where you want to

1467
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 13: take your deep shots or do you envision Drake coming

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01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 13: out throwing because I think it's going to be tough

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Speaker 13: with the crowd is getting the snap counts, and I

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Speaker 13: just and and you know, with the whole offensive line

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Speaker 13: having a pass block with that crazy ass crowd. So personally,

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Speaker 13: I think this should be a big Remondre Stevenson game.

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Speaker 13: Where do you guys stand, I'll take it off there.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Patty.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very interested, and I'm not doing the whole

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Speaker 1: Denver thing, so don't don't get crazy. I'm very interested

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Speaker 1: in the crowd in Denver because history would obviously tell

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Speaker 1: you that it's going to be loud. Yeah, they've played

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Speaker 1: an AFC Championship game there. I mean, everybody goes back

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Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen when you know they were couldn't block

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Speaker 1: the edges and it was fallse starts and it was

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Speaker 1: bad silent count and it was a mess. But you

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Speaker 1: just lost your starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Like so how like you know, like that. I feel

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Speaker 2: like that could be a very nervous kind of crowd.

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Speaker 3: Like I think there's an element of like, we need

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Speaker 3: to help. They're playing with house money.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that let's go nuts, let's go wild, like,

1490
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Speaker 3: because I don't.

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Speaker 1: Think they feel that way if they if they even

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Speaker 1: have it, I don't know a little bit of I

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Speaker 1: would if it was me in that crowd, right, there's

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01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of nervousness, But it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I think once the game kicks off, it's

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Speaker 1: like why not us?

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Speaker 9: Right? Why?

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Speaker 4: And if they get a little bit of momentum early on,

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Speaker 4: it's like, oh, this could actually happen. This would be unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I guess my cult thing is like I feel like

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Speaker 1: if you're a broncos Man, I feel like we would

1503
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Speaker 1: feel the same way if Drake May got hurt in

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Speaker 1: the same fashion, it's over, season's over, that you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna win a game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but if we went out there on Sunday and

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Speaker 4: let's say Josh Dobbs starts the game with like twenty

1508
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 4: yard in cut over the mind, it would.

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Speaker 3: Be like, oh yeah, Okay, here we go. I guess

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Speaker 3: maybe that's what I'm saying, Like.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I could feel that all right. In terms of

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Speaker 1: Patty's question, I absolutely think this is a run game.

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01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that this is a heavy run game.

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Speaker 1: I don't wanted like, what's the word temp fate, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to like going it fly too close to

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01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: the sun. Is a very good Denver Broncos pass defense,

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Speaker 1: very very good, and the metrics are extremely gaudy. I

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Speaker 1: know that some people have brought up the fact that

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Speaker 1: they haven't been quite as good down in the stretch.

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Speaker 1: They haven't been quite as good against like good offenses

1521
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: versus bat that's all every defense, Like every defense cleans

1522
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 1: up on the bad teams that they play.

1523
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and isn't as good against.

1524
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: The good quarterbacks shocker, Like I know, like they weren't

1525
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: as good against Josh Allen as they were against the

1526
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: Chiefs third string quarterback on that game and a couple

1527
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, right, Like, that's that's for the every

1528
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: single team. But I watched them on film and I

1529
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: said it earlier. They're past defense in particular, they are

1530
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: a chaotic unit. This is not a team like the

1531
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: Texans that kind of just sit in their coverages and

1532
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: don't draw blitzes and don't know they're sending guys from

1533
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: all over the place. Their coverages are extremely exotic. Some

1534
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: of them are manned, some of them are match zones.

1535
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: They don't really spot drop zone very often. They bring

1536
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: pressure from all different places. You know, they're blitzing guys,

1537
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: they're dropping guys like this is one of those kinds

1538
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: of defense. Is it's a lot more in that respect,

1539
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: I'd say like the Chargers scheme than it is like

1540
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: the Texans defense. So for that reason, you know, just

1541
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 1: looking at some of their film and looking at some

1542
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: of their recent games, the Bills especially were able to

1543
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: just kind of line up and run it down their throats. Now,

1544
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: the Bills have a great run game, they have a

1545
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: great offensive line, but the Patriots have found a run

1546
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: game recently and have been able to move some people

1547
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: in the run game. The one thing that I look

1548
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: at with is Broncos defense. They're a little undersized up front.

1549
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: They're a little undersized. Their biggest defensive tackles DJ Jones.

1550
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: He's three to zero five.

1551
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 3: He doesn't play a lot right.

1552
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: He's more of like their rotational run stuffer.

1553
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah on first down.

1554
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: Now they get off the ball and they fly up

1555
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: the field and they can make plays on the other

1556
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: side of the line of scrimmage, which is why I

1557
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of their run metrics are really good,

1558
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 1: because they make a lot of stuffs in TFLs and

1559
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: things like that.

1560
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: But I do think that you can run the ball

1561
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: on them.

1562
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: And then the Bills were able to run it on

1563
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: them a little bit, and their play action passing game

1564
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: was extremely effective.

1565
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 2: Off the run game. They moved the pocket a couple

1566
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: of times with Josh Allen effectively in that game.

1567
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: So I look at this game as one of those

1568
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: games where I absolutely would expect the Patriots to go heavy.

1569
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they open up in like

1570
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: twenty two with the sixth offensive linemen out there and they.

1571
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: Try to rail it right down there.

1572
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 4: Three that if they're small up front, Bullium, yeah, Bully Morgan, Moses,

1573
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 4: and yeah damn to stop it.

1574
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: Very different schematically, very different, but just from a holistic standpoint,

1575
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of like how you want

1576
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: to play the Bills, where like this is an elite

1577
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: pass defense, but they're a little bit smaller, they're a

1578
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: little bit more finesse, like guys on the edge, like

1579
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: Bonito is really built to rush the pass or he's

1580
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: like five Like, So, would you rather try to dance

1581
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: with those guys or would you rather try to run

1582
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: those guys on it down their throats?

1583
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1584
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it. We can get to

1585
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: more of that in a second. Two h Brad is

1586
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: in Ohio. What's up, Brad?

1587
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 10: Good morning guys?

1588
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: How you doing morning?

1589
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 6: Uh?

1590
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 10: Just wanted to a couple of observations and questions there. Uh,

1591
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 10: first of all, on on defense, do you think that

1592
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,440
Speaker 10: the tight end for Denver will be the most appropriate

1593
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 10: response to their wide receiver problem they're having on their

1594
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 10: on their side and they're gonna and take away the

1595
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 10: run game and the tied end. I hope it would

1596
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 10: be our defensive philosophy. And then the cornerback who would

1597
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 10: replace David would what's his best trait?

1598
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: Do you know that?

1599
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 5: Like?

1600
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 10: Is it done?

1601
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 5: Is it?

1602
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 10: Man? And if if he has to be the one

1603
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 10: to take the tours there, what could Zack Corr do

1604
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 10: to counteract that, like roll coverage or safety that way?

1605
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 10: What do you guys think? And in regards to any

1606
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 10: you know, inadequate sieves he might have given. Carl Davis

1607
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 10: might not play.

1608
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Brad, thanks to the call.

1609
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: So I don't want to jump the gun on Carlton

1610
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,639
Speaker 1: Davis because we'll find out, you know, late this afternoon,

1611
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: maybe even when Rabel talks.

1612
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,560
Speaker 3: Also, I don't know what to be Charles Woods or

1613
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: to be Alex Austin.

1614
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: Charles Woods.

1615
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles Woods, I think is elevated to that spot

1616
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: as the fourth corner. But I saw Carlon Davis after

1617
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 1: the game. He seemed like he was in pretty good spirits.

1618
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 11: You know.

1619
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,480
Speaker 1: I think they've really gotten pretty strict with these concussions.

1620
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: You know, Trevion Henderson was put in the protocol in

1621
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: Baltimore and cleared in a week. Christian Gonzales was put

1622
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: in the protocol against the Chargers and cleared in a week.

1623
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: So I'm not ready to say that Carlton Davis isn't

1624
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: going to be available on Sunday. I don't know that

1625
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 1: for a fact. To his first question, you know, I

1626
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 1: think that's you know, Wilking at the Broncos defense or offense.

1627
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: Excuse me, this is one of the you know, the

1628
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 1: bigger kind of questions that I have about this Stidham

1629
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: thing with bow Knicks. They throw the ball a lot.

1630
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, they are a past centric offense, and I

1631
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of think that John Payton always has been. Now

1632
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: he had Drew Brees, so like that obviously influences that

1633
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: a lot. But for the most part, I don't when

1634
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: I think of Sean Payton, I don't think of like

1635
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 1: a guy that wants to play smash math football and

1636
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 1: run the football.

1637
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: Now they might be getting JK.

1638
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,560
Speaker 1: Dobbins back, which could change that a little bit, but

1639
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: they're sixteenth in EPA per rush, their top ten in

1640
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: pretty much every sort of like pass metric in terms

1641
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: of past rate, you know, overall pass rate dropbacks per game.

1642
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure bo Knicks was tied for second in

1643
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: past attempts. I think it was like him and Caleb Williams,

1644
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: and I forget who was number one, but it might

1645
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, he was up there in terms of past attempts.

1646
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: So this is they were fourth in total in past

1647
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: attempts this yere. Yeah, this has not been a run

1648
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 1: game offense. And my whole thing is is like when

1649
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: you have a backup quarterback playing in the AFC Championship

1650
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: game with no prep time. Basically, I don't think dropping

1651
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: him back fifty times like you did with Bo Nicks

1652
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: on Sunday again or Saturday against Buffalo is the answer. Like,

1653
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: that's not I don't think you're gonna win that way.

1654
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: So can Denver find a running game?

1655
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:24,600
Speaker 5: You know?

1656
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 2: Does JK. Dobbins come back and sort of fix that?

1657
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: I think is a huge key to this game because

1658
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots have been fantastic and stopping the run.

1659
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dobbin's gonna be an interesting one. He was having

1660
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 4: a really good year. He was he was having a

1661
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 4: really good year before he got hurt. He was kind

1662
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 4: of the driving force in that offense. And Liz Frank,

1663
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 4: Liz Franks havery pronounce it right, Liz Frank that that

1664
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 4: injury is no joke. No, that that's a nasty injury.

1665
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 4: And so it was supposed to be season ending. Now

1666
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 4: he's back, but like, where's he gonna be? How well

1667
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 4: is he gonna cut?

1668
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll be interested to see how he looks, because

1669
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: if he looks good, it does really open the door

1670
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: for them to kind of the offense through him.

1671
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's not. R. J.

1672
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 4: Harvey is not bad, but I don't know that he's

1673
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 4: a guy you want to give the ball to twenty

1674
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 4: five times in championship game.

1675
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: So he's also and yeah, and he's more of like

1676
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: a scat back pass game right anyways.

1677
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: Well but he's been their their lead back, hurt m choice.

1678
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

1679
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying if you're if you're.

1680
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 4: Trying to take the ball out of Stidham's hands and

1681
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 4: Dobbins isn't a hundred percent it's it's Archie Harvey unless

1682
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 4: you feel really good about your Louiam McLoughlin.

1683
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is my point, Like, right, what

1684
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to what I'm trying to do with this game,

1685
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: and we just let's just do it the kind of

1686
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 1: tea up the Broncos here.

1687
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to do with this game is find

1688
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: a path for Denver to win the game.

1689
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: Wistedham, you know that's what and in that, but that's

1690
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: like low hanging fruit, like if they if they turn

1691
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots turned the ball over four times, then yeah, Denver.

1692
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: Could win the game.

1693
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 3: But that that's the path.

1694
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 2: But there has to be Like my.

1695
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: Point is is like is there any other pass right?

1696
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: And the easiest thing to say, and I think here's.

1697
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 3: The thing Storry to cut you off.

1698
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 4: But even if it was Bonix, I say this with

1699
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 4: no disrespect to bon Knicks, and I says no disrespect

1700
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 4: to Jared's Didham. But the reality of the situation is

1701
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 4: the Broncos have been and we're always going to be

1702
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 4: a team carried by their defense.

1703
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,000
Speaker 3: That's just the way it's built. That's the way they've

1704
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 3: won all year.

1705
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 4: I know Bonnicks has made some plays late in games

1706
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 4: that have elevated them, and it's not saying he's done nothing,

1707
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 4: but these are late in close, low scoring games because

1708
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 4: the defense is dominated.

1709
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: The jareds Didham thing obviously makes it.

1710
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 4: It's a factor. It's an impact, especially those gotta have it.

1711
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 4: I think the individual plays. The overall big picture of it, though,

1712
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 4: is the Broncos defense. The Patriots not letting the Broncos

1713
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 4: defense dominate the game. I would be saying that if

1714
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 4: Bonix was starting.

1715
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think it's I hear what you're saying.

1716
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: The obvious thing for the Broncos here is can they

1717
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: get to a point where Jared's Didam can manage this game?

1718
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: Hit the layups that Sean Payton's schemes open, don't turn

1719
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: the over, and let your defense.

1720
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 2: Win the game, right like that? That's yeah, that's the

1721
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: blueprint for Denver. We all can see that.

1722
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 4: I said this to you last week. Could Houston? My

1723
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 4: take going into that game was, could Houston get to

1724
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 4: twenty one without turnovers?

1725
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1726
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 3: And they couldn't even get to twenty one with a

1727
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 3: ton turnovers?

1728
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1729
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 7: Right?

1730
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 3: Can Denver get to seventeen without turnovers?

1731
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 5: No?

1732
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: And I think that the thing that I'm trying to

1733
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: get at, I guess is like I would feel more

1734
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: confident in trying to hype up Denver a little bit

1735
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: here in this game if they had a run game.

1736
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: But that's OK, that's really not who they are, Like

1737
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: they could try to be that well who they were

1738
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: at one point. I don't think they ever really were

1739
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 1: that Early in.

1740
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 4: The they Dobbins, they were really good run team and

1741
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 4: they had pretty high volumes in the first ten weeks

1742
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 4: of the year.

1743
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, that's just not the way

1744
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: I feel like they're structured. It just hasn't been.

1745
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 1: Like Dobbins is a fine player, but like it's not

1746
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: like they in order to win the game that with

1747
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback like that, like you need to have

1748
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: you need to really be able to run the ball

1749
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: like thirty five times in this game on Saturday Sunday.

1750
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think they're going to be able to

1751
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: do that because they're going to be in second and

1752
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 1: long too often because the Patriots are going to stop it.

1753
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 4: So so I agree with you that I don't think

1754
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 4: they can. My question to you is do you think

1755
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 4: they'll try it anyway?

1756
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what other choice they have really, but

1757
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: I guess, like I'm just saying that, I that's just

1758
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: not how I vision.

1759
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: Like, look at this offense.

1760
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 4: So over the first ten weeks, this is I think

1761
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,640
Speaker 4: Dobbins played through week ten, right, I correct me if

1762
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 4: I'm wrong.

1763
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did. He played through week ten.

1764
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 4: Over the first ten weeks of the season, the Broncos

1765
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: ran for four point eight yards per carry. It was

1766
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,679
Speaker 4: eighth in the NFL. They had the eighth most carries

1767
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 4: in the NFL two seventy.

1768
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have been possessed the ball a ton.

1769
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: I'll just all right, like this is this is not

1770
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: who they are, Like they did in this last game

1771
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,560
Speaker 1: against Buffalo, and I like if we all think that

1772
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 1: they're just gonna all of a sudden become like the

1773
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: Bills of the.

1774
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: Ravens or something like that because of JK. Dobbins. I

1775
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: just think that you're you're selling yourself a bridge, Like

1776
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: this isn't who they are when you have.

1777
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 3: Your backup quarterback starting AFC Championship game.

1778
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: They ran the ball twelve times last week with bis No,

1779
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: they ran it twelve times as traditionally as a team.

1780
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 1: He dropped back fifty Like this just isn't Like I

1781
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 1: don't think that they're just not built this way. Like

1782
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: and if like you think like JK. Dobbins not Derrick Henry,

1783
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: like he's not going to come back and all of

1784
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: a sudden make them a prolific rushing off.

1785
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, I know he's not.

1786
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: Isn't that what they kind of have to count on

1787
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 3: to happen to win the game?

1788
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I guess. But like I'm just trying to

1789
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: like this is what I'm trying to tell you, Like

1790
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: I just don't really know. I know, I just don't

1791
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: see it, Like I just you're talking.

1792
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: About what you think is going to happen. This is

1793
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 3: where we have. You're talking about what you thinks.

1794
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 2: Like I think that looking deep into JK.

1795
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: Dobbins coming back and then all of a sudden morphing

1796
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: into this like beast of a run team is just unreal.

1797
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 4: But as you said, the other not a beast of

1798
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 4: a run team, but just in terms of what they're

1799
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 4: going to do, what they're actually going to do.

1800
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:04,719
Speaker 3: Would you rather give the ball to JK.

1801
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: Dobbins twenty five times coming off the list Frank injury

1802
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 4: twenty five thirty times, or put the ball in Jared

1803
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 4: Stidham's hands. What do you think Sean Payton is going

1804
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 4: to do? Whether or not it will work. They don't

1805
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 4: have a good option, all right? Now, this is the

1806
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 4: point I understand.

1807
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: But like all this stuff is a domino effect, right

1808
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: because like if you try to come out and run

1809
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, sixteen seventeen times on first down,

1810
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: you can.

1811
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 2: Only keep doing it if you're if it's working right

1812
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: Because like event.

1813
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 4: So, you think that this is going to end up

1814
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 4: a game where Jared Citty maybe throws a ball thirty

1815
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 4: five to forty times, Yes, I.

1816
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,760
Speaker 1: Think because it just it inevitably is going to get there,

1817
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: all right, I mean weair enough. I don't This is

1818
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: like not the bigger point that I was trying to make,

1819
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: but I think the point that I really am trying

1820
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: to make about this Nixon Stidham thing.

1821
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest Nicks guy, you know that.

1822
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: But one thing that Nicks is really really good at

1823
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: is a he's a pretty good athlete, and he's pretty

1824
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 1: good at throwing the ball on the move, whether that's

1825
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 1: off design or that's him just jitterbugging around.

1826
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: And throw the ball off play.

1827
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 6: Right.

1828
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 1: And that is a huge, huge part of their offense.

1829
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: They are number two in the league and rollout rate,

1830
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: designed rollout rate, you know, bootlegs, things like that, And

1831
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: it's not just bootlegs, like they also move the pocket

1832
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 1: in different ways off motions and spinners, and they just

1833
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: move the pocket a lot. Okay, then they also have

1834
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: like his play extension and his like I swear to god,

1835
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 1: that guy never sits still. He's like a quarterback with

1836
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: ADHD Like he's just always moving around. And now you're

1837
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: going to go into a game with Stidham where it's

1838
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: going to be a completely different look.

1839
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Like Stidham is not a statue, but he's not.

1840
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 1: That's not His playing style is to be bouncing around

1841
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that back there like bon Nicks so

1842
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 1: second in the league, and bootlegs are design rollouts. He's

1843
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 1: also first in the league and throws on the run

1844
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: like him on the run throwing the football. He throws

1845
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: the ball on the run more than any other quarterback

1846
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: in the NFL. So, like that whole thing is I

1847
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: feel like it's just going to be completely gone from

1848
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: this game. So this is now going to become a

1849
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: much more traditional drop back, hand the ball off kind

1850
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: of game where everything is going to be kind of

1851
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 1: happening in the middle of the field. And I think

1852
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 1: for the Broncos is I'm trying to like come up

1853
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 1: with ways other than the Patriots turning the ball over

1854
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 1: five times, which is true for any game any week

1855
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 1: in any season. I look at this and I'm just like,

1856
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how you beat the Patriots defense away

1857
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: they're playing right now in like a traditional kind of way.

1858
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 2: I feel like that is probably not going to go

1859
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: with you.

1860
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: And so I'm really curious to see how they call

1861
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: the game for Jared'stidham. I think that interests me more

1862
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 1: than anything else about this whole thing. It's actually kind

1863
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: of stressing me out a little bit because there's nothing

1864
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: to go off of, which I think is a little

1865
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: bit stressful, Like there's no tape, there's no.

1866
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 3: Tub, But you just said they're gonna have to be

1867
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 3: pretty vanilla about it.

1868
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: So I went back and watched some of the preseason

1869
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: just did him, And I know everybody's gonna laugh and

1870
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: be like, that's preseason, that's crazy. But it's base plays, right,

1871
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: Like what is like their fundamental core base plays that

1872
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 1: they run all the time. That's the stuff that you run.

1873
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 2: In training camp in the preseason.

1874
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that that Jared Sendham knows like

1875
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 1: he's not getting first team reps in practice with an

1876
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: install and a game plan during the regular season or

1877
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,799
Speaker 1: the or the divisional round because he's not the starting quarterback.

1878
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 3: So the only is a young guy.

1879
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 4: So even more than an average I would say him

1880
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 4: not because you sometimes the backups will.

1881
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: Get very with the young guy. It's usually not the case.

1882
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 2: Sean Sean Payton said that he got next to none.

1883
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So.

1884
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: There's just like that. That was the first place I started.

1885
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: I also went back in twenty twenty three, started two

1886
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: games for Denver Wish Sean Payton. Now it's a completely

1887
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: different Denver roster. They were not good yet like it

1888
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 1: was it was came. So there's a couple guys that

1889
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: are still here.

1890
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 2: But you know, Bowles is still here obviously, I think

1891
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: you know a couple guys like that. But it's it's

1892
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: not a lot.

1893
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I expect the Patriots to be preparing

1894
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: for sort of their base system, you know, what is

1895
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: their regular base system. But the problem is is at

1896
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: their recent tape with Bo Nicks, he kind of like

1897
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: throws out the conventional stuff a lot and ran it

1898
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: just starts to run around back there, and so it's

1899
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: just very difficult.

1900
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I.

1901
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 4: Almost feel like, and I know this isn't exactly how

1902
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:33,520
Speaker 4: it works, but you almost have to look at tendencies

1903
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 4: more than you look at I don't know the film.

1904
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out the right way to phrase this.

1905
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 4: Like when he thrown to his left, first throw to

1906
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 4: his right. Okay, when you get this route concept, which

1907
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 4: route does he hit the most? Does he like to

1908
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 4: test this window or this window if he's getting pressured

1909
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 4: from his left, if he's getting pressured from his right,

1910
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 4: Like I think you just have to look at his

1911
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 4: tendencies more than the offense as a whole, and obviously

1912
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 4: that leaves you bare. And again, I know that's not

1913
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 4: exactly how works, because you have to look at it

1914
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 4: in the context of the offense. But for me, it's

1915
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 4: like tendency, Like that's just how he's wired. You have

1916
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 4: to look at how he's wired and how he sees

1917
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 4: the field. And maybe you go back to Vegas and

1918
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 4: look at some of that, because he started a couple

1919
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 4: of games in Vegas too, and I know that's in

1920
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 4: a different offense, but you know, okay, there's a.

1921
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: Little bit of a him.

1922
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's a Bill Parcell's guy. Like there's a tiny

1923
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,680
Speaker 1: little bit of overlap there with Peyton and with McDaniels.

1924
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: It's really as somebody that you know does these game

1925
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:33,600
Speaker 1: previews every week and I put it, you know, a

1926
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: game plan together, all this film cut ups and all

1927
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff to have like nothing to go

1928
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: off of. I can only imagine how that kind of

1929
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: feels for the coaching staff right now, because like, who

1930
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 1: gives a shit about.

1931
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: Me in the defensive meetings this week?

1932
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 2: Like the coaching staff like is I'm sure just kind

1933
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: of like all you got to look at.

1934
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,360
Speaker 1: I think all you can really do is what are

1935
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: like the core philosophies of a Sean Payton offense? Yeah,

1936
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: because that's they're gonna They're not gonna try to reinvent

1937
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: the wheel.

1938
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: They can't.

1939
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 3: They don't have another time.

1940
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: So they're gonna look at.

1941
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: It and say, what are the what are the core

1942
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: sort of tenants, staple concepts, route combinations like all that

1943
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that Sean Payton is known for and

1944
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: runs a yearly basis, regardless of quarterback.

1945
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: And that's kind of all you have to go off of, right,

1946
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 3: and you kind of hope that works, you know.

1947
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: The other couple of things I wanted to mention on

1948
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,919
Speaker 1: on the offense for Denver, this is the best offensive

1949
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: line the Patriots have faced in the playoffs.

1950
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 3: Is the best offensive line in the league.

1951
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: It's one of the best.

1952
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: It's definitely the best that they've faced in the playoffs

1953
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 1: by a country mile. Yeah, I guess it depends on

1954
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: what happens at center.

1955
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: You know, they if their starting centers back.

1956
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: They have two first team All Pros on the offensive

1957
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: line with Bulls and their right guard Miners.

1958
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 2: Is really good too.

1959
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: I think that this is I'm really interested to see

1960
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,600
Speaker 1: if all this domination the Patriots have had on the

1961
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: defense of line, like, is this for real?

1962
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 2: I think we're going to find out.

1963
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,839
Speaker 1: Was this a product of two of the worst offensive

1964
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: lines in football with the Texans and the Chargers. I

1965
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: think that might be thirty one and thirty two if

1966
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: I had to rate the offensive lines in the NFL

1967
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 1: that they played in the first two rounds. Now they're

1968
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: going to play an offensive line that's easily top three

1969
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 1: to five. You know, I think the only lines that

1970
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: give it a run for its money in terms of

1971
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: the teams of Patriots that played are Buffalo and Pittsburgh,

1972
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: both really good offensive lines too. So either way, you know,

1973
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 1: can they still get pressure against a good offensive line?

1974
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: Can they still stop the run against a good offensive line?

1975
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,880
Speaker 1: That's going to be a big question mark. And if

1976
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: they can and they dominate a game again up front,

1977
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: then it does for me at least change you know,

1978
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: obviously I assume they win that game. If they're dominating

1979
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: like that upfront, it does change a little bit or

1980
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 1: get me a little bit more confidence going into the

1981
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl against the Rams or the Seahawks, because that

1982
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: tells you that that's real, that's say, that's a real

1983
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: tangible thing now that this team can do is you know,

1984
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: dominate the line of scrimmage defensively.

1985
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 2: So you know, that's the way.

1986
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about, you know, the run game

1987
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 1: a lot for Denver, Like that's their path, right is

1988
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: Stidham's has a picnic back there all game. Like even

1989
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 1: though I don't think very much of Jared's Didham, I

1990
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: do think he's got arm talent and I do think that,

1991
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: like any NFL quarterback for the most part, if you

1992
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: keep a guy, you know, you keep the jersey clean.

1993
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: And he's got no you know, he's got no pressure

1994
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: on him, Like I'm sure he can make sit back

1995
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: there and play seven on seven.

1996
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 2: All day long, right Like that's all these guys.

1997
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:36,960
Speaker 1: And then of course the run game, you know, can

1998
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: this offensive line you know, kind of spearhead with JK.

1999
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Dobbins maybe coming back a productive run game out of

2000
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 1: it like that? That to me, if I'm Denver has

2001
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: to be it like that. It has to be our

2002
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: best attribute right now because also, let's not forget Troy

2003
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: Franklin and Pat Bryant might not playing this game either.

2004
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 1: Their best attribute has to be their offensive line and

2005
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,879
Speaker 1: just kind of helping that unit can dominate the Patriots.

2006
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to your point before about okay, it was

2007
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 4: their dominance the last couple of weeks. The Patriots dominance

2008
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 4: more a product of a you know, facing week banged

2009
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 4: up offensive lines or what they were doing. I mean,

2010
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 4: I think it's probably some of both. They they had

2011
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 4: what thirty something pressures against the Chargers.

2012
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 3: I think they have seventy two total in the last

2013
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 3: two games. Are they going to do that?

2014
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: No, I doubt it.

2015
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 4: But can they be effective and make their presence felt? Yeah,

2016
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 4: and it was against weaker teams before, But we've seen this.

2017
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 4: We see this all the time, Like sometimes that's just

2018
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 4: what it takes to get the ball rolling. And when

2019
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,799
Speaker 4: you face a tougher team, it's going to get tougher.

2020
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 4: But you have this momentum now, you have things going

2021
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 4: the right way, that you're going to play better than

2022
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 4: you would otherwise. I guess the point I'm trying to

2023
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 4: make is if they had had to play the Broncos first,

2024
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 4: I don't know that I'd be as optimistic in their

2025
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 4: rush as I am now because they've had these two

2026
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 4: games to kind of work things out and figure out

2027
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 4: what they want to be. I would also blitz a

2028
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 4: lot and really pressure that offensive line and send more

2029
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 4: bodies than they can handle and force tight ends and

2030
01:29:59,120 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 4: running backs to block.

2031
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was, you know, the.

2032
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: Last thing I kind of had written down here on

2033
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball for the Broncos defense

2034
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: for the Patriots was just, you know, don't don't change

2035
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 1: the mac and cheese right like this, this is clearly

2036
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: working what you're doing in terms of some of the

2037
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 1: stuff that they've been mixing up on defense. Don't get

2038
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: into this game and be like, oh, it's it's only

2039
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Jared Sidham, right like, don't do that whole thing. Treat

2040
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: it like it like it's the starting quarterback. Come after him.

2041
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Do the same mix of blitzing forty percent blitz rate.

2042
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: I'm all for in this game. The other thing that

2043
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: I would just mention, and I know this is kind

2044
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: of a little bit contradictory to what I just said,

2045
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: but just.

2046
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 2: Like rule of thumb.

2047
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: Like Wise, normally, when you face a quarterback who hasn't

2048
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: seen a live defense in two years, like you usually

2049
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: want to play zone against those kinds of guys.

2050
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,600
Speaker 2: Because man to to man coverage.

2051
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Is actually pretty simple to read for a quarterback, Like

2052
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 1: you just find the one on one matchup right, and

2053
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 1: then it becomes receiver separation, contested catch ability, ball placement,

2054
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: like it becomes that kind of game. It's it's you know,

2055
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to go back to the other and it's seven on

2056
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 1: seven at that point right right, Like it's just we're

2057
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: gonna find the open man. We're gonna go one, two, three,

2058
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: find the open man, We're gonna put it on them

2059
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: and hope a guy can make the catch in traffic

2060
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: Like that, that's what man coverage becomes. Zone coverage is

2061
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: much more of a thinking man's game. Now you need

2062
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,200
Speaker 1: to read out this coverage shell. You need to find

2063
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: the soft spots. The receiver needs to be on the

2064
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: same page as the quarterback. And then I also think

2065
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 1: the biggest thing about zone there's eyes on the quarterback.

2066
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: So if he's gonna throw you a couple, you're gonna

2067
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: see him come in your way and you're gonna be

2068
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: able to pick him off. So all this stuff that

2069
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: we've seen them do throughout the course of the season,

2070
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: but especially in the playoffs, like all this like spin

2071
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: the dial, the sky zone stuff that they've done.

2072
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 2: Like that to me is the game plan, Like.

2073
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: We are just going to absolutely put this guy in

2074
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: a blender, Like we're gonna spin it. We're gonna spin

2075
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: pressure up front, We're gonna spin the dial in the

2076
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: back end. We're gonna be in different zone structures all long.

2077
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: He's not going to know what zone we're sitting in.

2078
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: We're going to change it up pre snap, post snap.

2079
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: And not only again, like does he not have a

2080
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: ton of experience reading that out in an NFL game?

2081
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: He hasn't worked with any of these receivers really.

2082
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 4: Well exact You mentioned that that Troy Franklin and Pat

2083
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,680
Speaker 4: Bryant might be out, so he might actually be with

2084
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:21,879
Speaker 4: some of the second and third team receivers.

2085
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,799
Speaker 1: That's true that that that that could be a factor,

2086
01:32:25,439 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, like how many

2087
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: passes has he thrown to Courtland's side? Right again, No,

2088
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: you're right, So like if you're trying to get them

2089
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: to be on the same page and understand the voids

2090
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: and understand the soft spots, that to me is a

2091
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:38,040
Speaker 1: lot harder to do.

2092
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 3: Force him into, like timing routes yeah, in that kind right.

2093
01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 1: Like finding just under being on the same page. You know,

2094
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit here, I'm going to break there, you know,

2095
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,240
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Moving over to the defense

2096
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more for the Broncos Patriots offense, a

2097
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 1: couple of matchup things. I think we you know, I

2098
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: don't want to bog down too much with like all

2099
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: the schematics of the Broncos defense, although Vans Joseph's doing

2100
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: a really good job with that.

2101
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 3: Having the time of his life.

2102
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Obviously, we know that Nick Bond, you know, excuse me,

2103
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna come off Will Campbell's edge. So I think

2104
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:18,519
Speaker 1: that the one advantage about this game. Bonito's not a

2105
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: long limbed.

2106
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 3: Drink drink something.

2107
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 2: Just relax. He's not a long limbed He's not a

2108
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 2: long limbed dude. Right. He is a two d and

2109
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 2: forty pounds speed rusher. Yeah.

2110
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a little undersized. You know, Campbell had some

2111
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 1: problems with her big early on in the season. Is

2112
01:33:35,720 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of a similar build. But I would much rather

2113
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: Will Campbell in that kind of matchup than in like

2114
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: a a matchup with like a cyborg like Will Anderson. Right,

2115
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 1: So you know he really has like two moves. He's

2116
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: gonna win with speed around the edge, and he's gonna

2117
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 1: win with like speed to power. He's gonna convert it

2118
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: into power. I at least feel cautiously optimistic that if

2119
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 1: I had to pick like the type of edge rusher

2120
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 1: that I'd want Will Campbell to go against in that

2121
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: category of like elite guys like this is probably more

2122
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: of the skill set that I'd rather him face than

2123
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 1: what he would faced with like Away or with Willie Anderson.

2124
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it's just it's it's a guy that.

2125
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,120
Speaker 4: Will Campbell should be able to handle if he's not

2126
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 4: two in his own head about it. And that's where

2127
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 4: I'm kind of at with him, is just I think

2128
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:22,759
Speaker 4: this is a matchup he can win, but he can't

2129
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,960
Speaker 4: try to do too much. Because the thing is, if

2130
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 4: you the big thing about a guy like Benito, like

2131
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 4: blocking him, you can't have wasted movements.

2132
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:30,799
Speaker 3: He's too fast.

2133
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 4: If you're trying to fake him or this or that,

2134
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 4: or he's just gonna get by you, just got to

2135
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 4: you gotta just get to your spot, get to your

2136
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 4: spot and make him go through you.

2137
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's not gonna like I watched you know,

2138
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 1: a bunch of his rushes, and I talked to Brandon Thorne,

2139
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: who's like an expert. Yeah, way smarter on this stuff

2140
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 1: than I am. It's two moves. It's he's got an

2141
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,479
Speaker 1: elite elite speed rush, you know. He uses a ghost move,

2142
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, to kind of fake the power and then

2143
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: dip underneath the edge. Elite at that maybe the best

2144
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 1: the league. And then he has a little bit of

2145
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: a bull rush just because of how explosive he is

2146
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: off the ball. But I looked, you know, through like

2147
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: fifty of his pass rushes recently and like to for

2148
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 1: any sort of like inside counter because that's what gives

2149
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 1: Will Campbell some issues. Is guys that can swim or

2150
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: jab or you know, give him a little crossover or

2151
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,759
Speaker 1: something like that. I didn't see any really from Benitos,

2152
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,360
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a little bit of like

2153
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: a I want to call him a one trick pony

2154
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: is probably disrespectful, but like he has like two tricks,

2155
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,519
Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of like Campbell in that

2156
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: kind of matchup. The other guy that I just circled

2157
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: that I think is important in this game is Zach Allen.

2158
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: He was a beast in the middle. I assume that

2159
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna line Zach Allen up over Jared Wilson a

2160
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: lot in this game, maybe even a little big air

2161
01:35:43,720 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Bradberry as well.

2162
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 2: He is a monster.

2163
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: He's a big dude more like, not like big in

2164
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: terms of weight, but just like sheer size and length,

2165
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: very powerful, a very very good arm over swim rush

2166
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: as well, which can give like smaller guys like Bradbury

2167
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,920
Speaker 1: and Wilson some problems just because they kind of come

2168
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: with power and then he just swims over you. So

2169
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: that's another guy on their front that you know, along

2170
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: with the scheming and stuff like that. You know, those

2171
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 1: two guys are kind of the centerpieces of their past

2172
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: rucks they have to worry about. So I'm very interested

2173
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to see how they they handle that, because, yeah, I

2174
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: do think that you can kind of key on Bonito

2175
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, if you chip them things

2176
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: like that, like if he's only gonna win with speed

2177
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: around the outside, like if you start chipping him and

2178
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that, then he's got really kind of nothing

2179
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 1: else to go to, right, you know, So that might

2180
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: help that out.

2181
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 2: But how they handle Zach Allen in the middle is

2182
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: going to be a big part of this game.

2183
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need Garret Bradbury, Mike go and want to

2184
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: step up again.

2185
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2186
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: In the secondary, you know a couple of cornerback matchups

2187
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: here to highlight. Obviously we know about Patrick Sartan. That

2188
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: guy's unbelievable hell of a player.

2189
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 2: I looked this up. He on deep targets this year, He's.

2190
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: Allowed one catch on a throw over twenty yards out

2191
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: of thirteen attempts. He's one for thirteen on deep. So

2192
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't really suggest testing him too much. Uh. Their

2193
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: slot corner McMillan has played really, really well. You had

2194
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the big pick in the game, controversial pick, I should

2195
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: say it picked it. Uh, he's been really good uh

2196
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 1: this year as well. So those two guys good. You know,

2197
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: the McMillan matchups kind of like a strength on strength

2198
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: like digs. You know, probably versus McMillan certain is probably

2199
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna be on the boundary. So if it's Keseh on booty,

2200
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: if it's Kyle Williams, no offense. But you're kind of

2201
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: just sacrificing yourself in this game, I.

2202
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 2: Think on that side of the field.

2203
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Uh, Waldo's Riley Moss right like like, where's Riley Moss

2204
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 1: And you know, let's let's get over the top of

2205
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Riley Moss.

2206
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 4: Is the matchup Riley Moss. So the Broncos. You want

2207
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:49,599
Speaker 4: a weak spot in the Broncos defense, Yes, no team

2208
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:54,839
Speaker 4: has been. No team had more defensive penalties or defensive

2209
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 4: penalty yards against this year in the Denver Broncos.

2210
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 3: The most penalized defense in football.

2211
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 4: Big part that Riley Moss eight pass interference penalties this

2212
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 4: year that led the league and by the way, Nick

2213
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 4: Benito second in off sides. They were the most penalized team,

2214
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 4: most penalized defensive team overall, but specifically they were called

2215
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 4: for the most defensive pass interference and the most defensive

2216
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 4: off sides or neutral zone infractions in the NFL.

2217
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 3: Now, they were better last week. They only had one,

2218
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:22,760
Speaker 3: but it was a potentially costing one.

2219
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 4: It was on that drive where the Bills were going

2220
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 4: to get the game tying field goal at the end

2221
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 4: of regulation third and one.

2222
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,840
Speaker 3: Benito jumps off sides. I think was that was technically neutral.

2223
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:35,640
Speaker 4: Zone, but Riley Moss very handsy corner and there's a

2224
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,719
Speaker 4: referee crew that calls it pretty straight down the middle.

2225
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 4: They're not flag heavy. They're not gonna let him play crew.

2226
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 4: They're they're about average. But the Patriots have some receivers

2227
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 4: that are good at drawing PI yep, and Riley Moss

2228
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 4: is susceptible to it.

2229
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: Ley Moss I heard this a long time ago.

2230
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's nothing revolutionary, but you know, somebody said

2231
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: to me, like they one of the receivers on the

2232
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: Patriots was like, you know, he's Waldo and I was like,

2233
01:38:59,400 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 1: what's happening?

2234
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: And he's like, you.

2235
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 3: Find specifically, just in general, you.

2236
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Find the corner that's Baldough and that's the matchup that

2237
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: we're hunted. You know, that's the guy we're hunting.

2238
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 2: In this match.

2239
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 4: Antonio Smith, Anthony Smith, Yeah, yeah, this match of Riley

2240
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:18,760
Speaker 4: Moss's Waldough. Yeah, Like they could target Riley Moss like

2241
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 4: fifteen times in this game and it wouldn't surprise me.

2242
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 3: You think they line up digs more outside to try

2243
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 3: to get him on Moss?

2244
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:27,400
Speaker 1: They could, Yeah, he's usually you know, uh certain usually

2245
01:39:27,439 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 1: plays the boundary and Moss plays the field corner spot, so.

2246
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 2: You know you could do that.

2247
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: They they he's given up you know, not a ton

2248
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: like the percentage isn't terrible. I think it's like nine

2249
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 1: for twenty eight, so it's like thirty five percent on

2250
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: deep targets, but it's better than one.

2251
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 3: For thirteen, right, exactly. You got to go with somebody.

2252
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the penalties, which is a good point.

2253
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's twelve overall. Eight dpi's you know,

2254
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: he's he's susceptible more than playing football. Yeah, he's subseptible

2255
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 1: to that. He's cleaned that up a little bit in

2256
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: the back half of the season. It was probably a

2257
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: really big problem early and he's cleaned that up a

2258
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: little bit. Now, you know, a couple more things and

2259
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: then we'll take the last calls and emails. Uh Hufunga

2260
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:09,680
Speaker 1: just a playmaking safety kind of.

2261
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he'll come down near the line of scrimmage sometimes.

2262
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 4: Really is a good tackling defense. I've always been a

2263
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 4: fan of his plays with an edge. Is not afraid

2264
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 4: to get dirty. Kind of reminds me a little bit, honestly.

2265
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 4: He's not dirty of a player, but like all Shire, yeah,

2266
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 4: like kind of similar, Like you just got to know

2267
01:40:26,360 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 4: where he is because he's gonna be flying around.

2268
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2269
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean they've played some really good hybrid safeties, you know,

2270
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: Petrie Derwin James. I think Kufunga is right in that

2271
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 1: category of guys that play a lot in the box,

2272
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 1: play a lot over the slot, and like some of

2273
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: their more nickel like standard nickel packages. Uh, he's just

2274
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 1: around the ball a lot and it's kind of like

2275
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: a heat seeking missile out there.

2276
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then uh, good play.

2277
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,640
Speaker 1: There are other safety there. Free safety is is it

2278
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:53,240
Speaker 1: lock or loki? It's spelled with an E at PJ lock. Yeah,

2279
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it's locked.

2280
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 3: So he's a backup, right.

2281
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: Well, he's played well. If he's a backup, I don't

2282
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

2283
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:01,040
Speaker 3: I thought they started the season with somebody else he

2284
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 3: might be.

2285
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:05,320
Speaker 1: He's he's a pretty good safety, pretty rangy in the

2286
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 1: deep part of the field. He plays free safety for them.

2287
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty clear like Hufunga is the box guy,

2288
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: he's the free guy. You know, he's the guy over

2289
01:41:13,880 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 1: the top of the defense. He made some really good plays,

2290
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 1: you know, I saw in film of him, like coming

2291
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: from one side of the field to the other to

2292
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 1: make plays on the ball.

2293
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 2: He's a ballhawk.

2294
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 9: You know.

2295
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 2: He can definitely cover a lot of ground back there.

2296
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 1: So if you are going to throw deep and at

2297
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: least move the safety first move for you, try to

2298
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 1: do it because that guy can come out of nowhere

2299
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: and make plays.

2300
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 2: On the football.

2301
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 3: Brandon Jones, this guy's better.

2302
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: I know Brandon Jones a little bit. I think this

2303
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: guy's got a lot of range. He's impressive.

2304
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, he only started three games, so he started fifteen

2305
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 4: last year. He got replaced by.

2306
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 3: Hufunga.

2307
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then it was it was him and Jones

2308
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 4: and now he's back at no. He's he played really

2309
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 4: good against the Bills.

2310
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, so you know a lot going on

2311
01:41:57,680 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 2: with this defense.

2312
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 1: This was watching their defense on film, Alex was like

2313
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: anxiety driven, not because of how good they are, but

2314
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 1: because it's an absolutely chaotic film to watch, like they're

2315
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 1: the game against the Jaguars especially. I watched a bulk

2316
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: of that just to kind of get a feel of

2317
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 1: what Jacksonville did. First of all, Jacksonville PJ. Washington broke

2318
01:42:20,360 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: two tackles on the outside. It turned like ten yard

2319
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: games into like seventy yard games. And that was a

2320
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 1: big part of the reason why Jacksonville started to score

2321
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: in that game. Was they they missed a couple of

2322
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 1: tackles they don't normally miss. But it's just like that's

2323
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: a chaotic offense because Trevor Lawrence is a chaotic guy,

2324
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: and then it's a chaotic defense.

2325
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't even know what some

2326
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:44,920
Speaker 2: of this is, like, you know, like I'm sitting there.

2327
01:42:44,840 --> 01:42:46,200
Speaker 3: Watching this back football.

2328
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, like some of the coverages that Denver's running, and

2329
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't I don't really even know what

2330
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 1: to call this.

2331
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 3: Like this is you felt like the Chargers players against Yes, again, Yes,

2332
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 3: it was.

2333
01:42:57,479 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Just like sometimes they they play combination coverages were one

2334
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 1: side zoned off and one side's manned. Sometimes they're matching

2335
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,720
Speaker 1: routes where they'd pass off crossers but carry verticals.

2336
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're just in straight man to man like it was.

2337
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:12,720
Speaker 2: It was a lot.

2338
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,640
Speaker 1: It was a lot to digest, you know, over my

2339
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: head in some cases, and so it was it was

2340
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: cool though. I was like, man, you know vance Joseph like, yeah,

2341
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 1: like really kind of cooking it up.

2342
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:26,320
Speaker 3: Is he getting interviews? I think he kind of should,

2343
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 3: Like I thought I saw he was interviewing for one

2344
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 3: or two jobs.

2345
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: All right, let's take these last couple of calls and

2346
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: we have a few emails here if you want to

2347
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: get to those as well.

2348
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 2: John is in Pittsburgh.

2349
01:43:37,320 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 10: Was up, John, John, Hey, guys, Hey, great great show.

2350
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 2: Thank you.

2351
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 5: By the way. It's it's fun living in Pittsburgh when

2352
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 5: people still come up to me and ask me if

2353
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 5: that was a catch by Jesse James go figure. Uh, well,

2354
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 5: one of the things that you brought up as far

2355
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 5: as Denver game, and I didn't see it, and I'm

2356
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 5: wondering if they're going to do this against Denver is

2357
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 5: a little bit more of a role out. I didn't

2358
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:10,480
Speaker 5: see that against Houston, and I was kind of surprised

2359
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 5: by that, and going into Denver, I think you're gonna

2360
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:20,360
Speaker 5: see with Stinham being pretty much statue asque, I guess

2361
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 5: probably some jet sweeps to Mims, contested downfield to Sutton

2362
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 5: and probably using Harvey out of the backfield. And if

2363
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 5: Dobbins comes back and he plays, well, you're gonna sit

2364
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 5: your hats on. Appreciate it, guys.

2365
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: Thanks Thanks John. Yeah, I think that's a lot of

2366
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 2: good points.

2367
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 3: I can to see him getting creative in the run game.

2368
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,840
Speaker 1: If Mims has to play a lot like he's not

2369
01:44:45,960 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: really a traditional wide receiver. He's more of like a

2370
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: gadget player on offense. And I would say, he's this

2371
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: guy with this like diverse route tree that's going to

2372
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,120
Speaker 1: go out there and be able to do that. So

2373
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: he's going to run vertical routes and he's going to

2374
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 1: run what he said and there at Jets, you know

2375
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:03,120
Speaker 1: that sort of thing screens, that's going to be a

2376
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 1: big part of what they do if Mims has to

2377
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 1: play a lot. What was the other thing that he said,

2378
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,679
Speaker 1: a statue. Yeah, he's definitely not a statue. I wouldn't

2379
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 1: call him a statue.

2380
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 4: No, he's not a mobile as Nicks. But he's not

2381
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 4: you know, no, you can roll him out. I wouldn't

2382
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 4: like he's not gonna design runs, by the way, that

2383
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 4: was what it was.

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01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: He said about the Patriots not running design I'd like mad.

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01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 1: So they tried it a couple of times against Houston.

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01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: One of them was a Will Anderson sack. They tried

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01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: to move the pocket and hit the route, you know,

2388
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 1: the throwback route, you know, back on a bootleg, and

2389
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:38,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't open. The Texans covered it well, and so

2390
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,719
Speaker 1: he took a sack. Uh, he got the Hooper playoff barely.

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01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: He had to throw it over to guys that were coming,

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01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: you know, dead to rights. And then they tried it again,

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01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 1: I want to say, going in the other direction, and

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01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: he took a zero.

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01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 2: Yard That was the zero yard sack.

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01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 2: So I think they tried it like three or four

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01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,080
Speaker 2: times against the Texans and it didn't work.

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01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,599
Speaker 4: The tests were over, a lot of people were saying,

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01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:03,439
Speaker 4: why aren't they rolling out more? They've been good at

2401
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: this this year, like roll Drake Maham where they have

2402
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 4: been good at it this year. I think teams are

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01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 4: kind of planning for it and sitting on it ready

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01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 4: for it. So yeah, that doesn't mean you don't do it,

2405
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 4: but it's something I think other teams are game planning against.

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01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,879
Speaker 1: I want to say they ran four or five rollouts

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01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 1: in the game against the Texans.

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01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 2: Only one of them worked. Yeah, and it was the

2409
01:46:21,640 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 2: Hooper play that he gained fourteen.

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01:46:23,320 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 1: It was a nice little play, but like if you

2411
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: watch it back, you're like, Okay, well that's not going

2412
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:29,679
Speaker 1: to work again. But it was kind of He's snuck

2413
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,600
Speaker 1: out behind the pass rusher that went after May and

2414
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 1: they got he just lofted it over the guy and

2415
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,840
Speaker 1: got it Cooper. It was not a clean play by

2416
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 1: any means. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up Mark?

2417
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,559
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Let's go past

2418
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 9: absolutely Will Campbell. Will Campbell has turned into ay if

2419
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 9: you want to call it, a turnstile on the left side.

2420
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 9: And now I know he's going up against the league guys.

2421
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 9: My comparison of him, which I believe he's going to

2422
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 9: be his logan Mankins. I think he's going to be

2423
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 9: a great guard in a tackle when you need him

2424
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 9: in emergency situation. So I just wanted to get your

2425
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 9: guy's take on that. And the last thing is Mac Collins.

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01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,960
Speaker 9: I am super psyched and hope that he's going to

2427
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 9: play this weekend because this guy is to elite in

2428
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 9: the blocking, in his just his catch ability. He has

2429
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 9: like sure hands. And is there anybody in the draft

2430
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,040
Speaker 9: coming up just to get ahead of ourselves that we

2431
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,200
Speaker 9: can replace him with, because I know Mac Collins is

2432
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:34,800
Speaker 9: getting older and he's on another one more year I

2433
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 9: think with us.

2434
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,080
Speaker 13: So just wanted to get you guys take on that.

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01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 2: Let's go Cap, Yeah, thanks for the call.

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01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: Mark is always on the Campbell thing. I think we

2437
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 1: can just kind of leave it at this. Yeah, I

2438
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: feel like we do this with everybody that like they're

2439
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 1: automatically going to be a better guard because they are.

2440
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 2: That's just the way it works. But I just I'm

2441
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:58,120
Speaker 2: not sold that he would be like that.

2442
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,639
Speaker 1: It would solve a ton of issues because the biggest

2443
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: thing that Campbell has an issue with is that he's narrow,

2444
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 1: Like He's literally just narrow like.

2445
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: He's narrow, and he's short arms.

2446
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: He's kind of like, you know, offensive line guys call

2447
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 1: it sowd off, right, He's got a sowd off frame,

2448
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 1: and so when you have this that frame, like he

2449
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 1: doesn't take up a whole lot of space, so when

2450
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 1: you're trying to like build a surface, like I just

2451
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: when I watch if the way that he sets, I

2452
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,360
Speaker 1: just would worry at guard that guys would just get

2453
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:30,320
Speaker 1: underneath him and just push him back into the pocket.

2454
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 1: And so I feel like developing him at tackle, he

2455
01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:36,720
Speaker 1: just looks like the way he moves, I guess is

2456
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at, the way he moves.

2457
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Looks more like a tackle than the guard.

2458
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like his natural movements of his body,

2459
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 1: he just looks more natural playing a little bit higher

2460
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,839
Speaker 1: up and playing a little bit more in space.

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01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 2: I said it earlier.

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01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great run blocking guard, that's

2463
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: no doubt, but I think that in terms of past protection,

2464
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know if that solves all the problems

2465
01:48:58,080 --> 01:48:59,200
Speaker 1: like a lot of people think it will.

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01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 3: You would also then a new left tackle, which we've

2467
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 3: been through this is not easy to find.

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01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,839
Speaker 1: It would be great if he plays well on Sunday,

2469
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: because this conversation is gonna be all off season long,

2470
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 1: So Sunday in Denver it should be a good one.

2471
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 2: It should be exciting. I'm not writing off the Broncos.

2472
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that.

2473
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take that bait. I do think

2474
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots come out and win this game, but I'm

2475
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 1: not going to write them off completely.

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01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 2: So it should be an exciting game. We'll be back

2477
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: next week, win or loose.

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01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:34,360
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week, hopefully win, and we'll talk

2479
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: about the Broncos game.

2480
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll talk a little bit about the super Bowl.

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01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: You know, we will have two weeks obviously if they

2482
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:42,760
Speaker 1: do win on Sunday, so I have plenty of time

2483
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: to talk about the super Bowl at that Hopefully if

2484
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots pull it off in Denver, so p you

2485
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:49,560
Speaker 1: will be up in ten minutes or so.

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01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 2: We'll see you guys next week, right.

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01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 3: Hey, this is Alex.

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01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:57,320
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2489
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,200
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01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,519
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2492
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,760
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2493
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 8: at the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,