1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: A folks, today's guest is very very well known. This 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: is a much different guest than I normally have one. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: And if you had told me that I would be 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: sitting down with one of the leading thought leaders of 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: our time, I wouldn't have believed you. It's just definitely 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: not my john. The Deepak Chopra is a global leader 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and pioneer in the field of mind body medicine. It's 8 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: got so much insight into the spiritual, the physical, mental worlds. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: Turn up the volume a bit. I'm glad you're here. Well, 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to today welcome my guest, Deepak Chopra. 11 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: These are words that I never really thought would be 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: leaving my mouth here on a podcast. First off, I 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: never even imagined that I would be doing a podcast 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: when I got into this line of work, and certainly 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: that I would have such an esteemed guest with me today. 16 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: It's very nice to meet you, sir. I know that 17 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, there's a silly six 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: degrees of Kevin Bacon thing that has been going on 19 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: for a lot of years, and we actually believed or 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: not have a connection through the film business because of 21 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: the love Guru. So my first question for you is 22 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: how was how did you feel about acting? What was 23 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: what was your experience with being a performer. 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: You know, Mike has been a very good friend to me, 25 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: and when he came out with this idea, I wanted 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: to support the idea, but you know, it's not my 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: kind of humor and spend filming it was quite tiring 28 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: to daddy the truth and I'm not you know, I 29 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: like to speak on stage, but I'm not really an actor. 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: But it was an interesting experience. 31 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you say that because I think 32 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: that you know, I have listened to you, you know, 33 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit speaking, uh, and and and seeing you 34 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: also not in person but online speaking and while you're 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: not an actor, uh, there is something about your full persona, 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: your voice where it is placed, all those elements of 37 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: what you put out in the world that have a 38 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: very very powerful effect. I guess my point is that 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, beyond the words that that you say, there's 40 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,839 Speaker 1: also a there is an element of that's just you 41 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: that is powerful. Are you Are you kind of aware 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: of that that it's, for lack of a better word, charismatic. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: I kind of became a flure through comments from people 44 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: like yourselves, you know. But I was not aware of 45 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: that growing up. Although in high school I was a 46 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: professional debater, and I you know, I did a lot 47 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 2: of that in college and in medical school too, so 48 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: I do have that background of engaging in dialogue and 49 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: debate as a student in school and medical school and 50 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: even thereafter. 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: Well, speaking of background, where are you from? Where were 52 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: you born? 53 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 2: I was born in New Delhi. I went to high 54 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 2: school in New Delhi, and then I went to the 55 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: medical school that at that time and even now is 56 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: considered very prestigious in India. They take only fifty students 57 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: a year from all over India. It's called the All 58 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: India Institute of Medical Sciences. And then as soon as 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: I finished my school, I was only twenty two, I 60 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: came to the United States and worked in community hospital 61 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: in New Jersey. But fortunately the next year I got 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: fellowships and residencies in Boston at various institutions associated with 63 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: Harvard and Boston University and Tufts, and so I did 64 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: my training in Boston, four years of residency and three 65 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: years of fellowship, so that was seven years. And then 66 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: I started teaching at at the three universities medical schools, 67 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: mainly endochronology and neuroindochronology, which is the study of brain chemistry. 68 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: So this was in seventies when people didn't know much 69 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: about neurochemicals like serotonin and dopamine and oxytocin and opiates. 70 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: But we were right in the frontier. My mentor was 71 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: Simour Reichlan, who was the number one endochronologist in the 72 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: world at that time. 73 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: He was the. 74 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: President of the Endocrine Society. He's now ninety seven, by 75 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: the way, and if he catches a snake in his garden, 76 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: he still dissects the brain looking for neurochemicals. But it 77 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: was my insight as a result of my training with 78 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: these molecules, was that one day one of my colleagues, 79 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: Can Despert, who later became the head of brain chemistry 80 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: at the NIH, She said, these are the molecules of emotion, 81 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: and you know that kind of hit me. I said, 82 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: you should write a book about them. She said, I 83 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: will if you write the forwards. So she wrote this book, 84 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: Molecules of Emotion, and I actually did the forward. It 85 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: became a best seller that got me into my book 86 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: Quantum Healing nineteen eighty eight. And even though it was 87 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: vilified by my colleagues and medical schools, which they felt 88 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: it was totally outlandish or whatever. It also was very 89 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 2: popular with the public. So that was my forain into 90 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: mind body medicine, which then became integrated medicine, and then 91 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: deeper understanding of what we call consciousness and spirit. And 92 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: this year or thirty five years later, I along with 93 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: a couple of colleagues, including a quantum biologist who's at 94 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: the University of Calgary also in Poland in Europe, and 95 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: another colleague, Brian Fertig, who's neuroindochronologists like myself, we published 96 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 2: last week Quantum Body, which now brings the science into 97 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: what I was saying in nineteen eighty eight. So since 98 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: ninety eight, in eighty eight, there's a lot of science 99 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: on what we call epigenetics, neuroplasticity, and even you know, 100 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: the quantum effects in our body as a result of 101 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: a more fundamental experience of existence, which is going beyond 102 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: the mind into what we call the spiritual consciousness. Somehow 103 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: that begins to kick in self regulation and homeostasis in 104 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: the body. And so we have a science, you know, 105 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: and now the science is easy to check because anybody objects. 106 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: We say, go to AI or go to Google Bard 107 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: or whatever and check out the science yourself. I don't 108 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: have to defend what I was saying thirty five years ago. 109 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that brings up so many thoughts for me. 110 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: But I'll just speak from a personal level. I mean, 111 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: I am someone who kind of goes. I'm sort of 112 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: open to all different ways to stay healthy and to 113 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 1: fix things. 114 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: Uh. 115 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: If I use traditional medicine. I have a traditional medicine doctor. Uh, 116 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, I will if if I feel sick or 117 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: something's going on. I'm I'm very good about showing up 118 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: and taking blood work and you know, doing all those things. 119 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm not in any way anti it, but I also 120 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: sometimes go to alternative sources whatever they happen to be different, 121 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: you know what some people would call, you know, insane 122 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: kind of methods, meditation, you know, whatever it happens to be. 123 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: In the course of my life, there's been like, you know, 124 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: herbal kind of things and acupuncture, all kinds of stuff. 125 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: But what I find a lot of times is that 126 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: both of these sides of this particular issue are sort 127 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: of at odds with each other or disdainful of the 128 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: different kind of practices on both sides that there's a 129 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: lot of people that who are in you know, alternative 130 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: medicines that really you know, pooh pooh are disdained you know, 131 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: traditional medicine. And and you know, on the flip side, 132 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: you go to the doctor and you say, hey, you know, uh, 133 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, i have this, you know, pain in my throat. 134 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: I've been taking you know, you know whatever, zinc or something, 135 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, yeah, great whatever, you know it 136 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear about it. So I'm wondering, as 137 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: someone who comes from you were trained and you know 138 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: clearly very successful as a as a doctor in internal 139 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: medicine and the chronology, and then you've discovered this kind 140 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: of other connection, how do you balance those two types 141 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: of things? And which world is it that or do 142 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: you feel yourself on a bridge between two worlds? 143 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: Not really, Kevin, So, just to put things in perspective, 144 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: I currently have a professorship in three medical schools, University 145 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: of California, San Diego, Mount Sinai in New York, and 146 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: University of Central Florida in Orlando. So I teach, and 147 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: right now it's very popular this what is called integrated 148 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: medicine with medical students that they are offered electives and 149 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 2: there's always a waiting list. So I no longer say 150 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: this is alternative, but this is an integrative. 151 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: It's old list. 152 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: Say I think good medicine is that which works. Spirit 153 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: So medicine that works is good medicine. It doesn't matter 154 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: where it comes from. If it's you know, if it's 155 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 2: Eastern Western to me, doesn't matter. Having said that, what 156 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: we call traditional medicine as taught in medical schools for 157 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: the most part, although now medical schools are getting into 158 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: what they call integrated medicine. But in general, it's very 159 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:08,599 Speaker 2: clear that mainstream medical intervention, which includes antibiotics, includes chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, 160 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: now immunotherapy, and many other things. Mainstream medicine is extremely 161 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: effective in acute illness. So if you have pneumonia, you 162 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: better take an antibiotic. If you break your leg, you 163 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: should see an orthopedic surgeon, et cetera. If you have appendicitis, 164 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: that's an acute situation which needs intervention. So what we 165 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 2: call reductionist medicine Western medicine is based on understanding the 166 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: mechanisms of illness at a very precise level. So you 167 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: know how bacteria multiplied. Then you have a precision medicine 168 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: to interfere with that, whatever it is antibiotics, etc. Now immunotherapy. 169 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: There are major breakthroughs. 170 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: In medicine right now. 171 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: The first one is AI, which can put together every 172 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: biomarker and link it to everything that's happening in your life, 173 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: your sleep patterns, your stress, et cetera. So AI is 174 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: a breakthrough in modern medicine. Gene editing is a breakthrough 175 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: in modern medicine. You'll be able to cut and paste 176 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: genes the same way you cutt and based emails. You 177 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: metaphorically speaking, you'll be able to read the barcode of 178 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: a gene and delete the gene that's causing say, baraka 179 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 2: gene cancer. You replace it with a normal gene Wallah. 180 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: So that's second major breakthrough. The third major breakthrough in 181 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: modern medicine is what we call messenger RNA, where you 182 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: can create, hopefully in the near future, vaccines for chronic 183 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: illness everything from heart disease to cancer, to diabetes to Alzheimer's. 184 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: So that's another major breakthrough. The fourth major breakthrough is 185 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 2: what we call the microbiome, which is the two million 186 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: extra genes you have in addition to human genes. We 187 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: can change the population of the genes through diet and 188 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: many other interventions. So that's a breakthrough. And the fifth 189 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: breakthrough is psychedelics, and you know that's happening in the 190 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: consciousness research. Those are very important breakthroughs in modern medicine. However, 191 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: when you look at the spectrum of disease, ninety five 192 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: percent or more disease is not due to what we 193 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: call fully penetrent genes. They are only less than five 194 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 2: percent of all disease, which includes cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, 195 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: you name it. Ninety five percent or more is not 196 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: due to what we call fully penetrent genes, for which 197 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: you will have this gene editing and so forth. Ninety 198 00:13:55,080 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: percent of disease is epigenetically or strated epigenetic. Above the genes, 199 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: there's a sheet of proteins called his stones, and so 200 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 2: imagine my fist as this his stone protein DNA is 201 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: wrapped around this, and every experience you have doesn't matter 202 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: what the experience is. Right now, we are having an 203 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: intellectual conversation. Your genes in your brain frontal godix are 204 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: being activated. Sure, not only those genes, but anyone who's 205 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: listening to us. Their genes are being activated, which means 206 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: our minds are affecting energy information, genetic activity in different 207 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: parts of our body depending on the experience. So if 208 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: this was an emotional experience, you know, then you know 209 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: you're in love, then some other part of your brain 210 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: would be activated, and gene activity would be activated and 211 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: neural networks would change. This is something we did not 212 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: know twenty years ago. You know, intuitively, these Eastern tick 213 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: niques have tapped into it, you know, and Iveda and 214 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: Chinese medicine even and indigenous medical practices. They tapped into 215 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: the idea that when you change experience, you change biology. 216 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: And so you know, Western medicine's being dismissive of this 217 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: because they say, oh, you're not it's place ebo. But 218 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: that's a term that we use when you don't know 219 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: what's happening. Now we know what's happening. Genes are being 220 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 2: activated precisely. So when you sleep, certain genes get activated. 221 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,359 Speaker 2: When you have an emotional experience, certain genes get activated. 222 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: When you manage your stress. Either way, it stress causes 223 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: genes to activate that cause inflammation. But when you have joy. 224 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: Other genes are activated. Every experience modulates the activity of 225 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: the change. What happens is these proteins they move around, 226 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: and then certain genes get closer to each other, certain 227 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,479 Speaker 2: genes get far from each other. They're literally genetic switches. 228 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: Like the lights in my room. Now you know, I 229 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: have a computer, I have a light, I have a microwave, 230 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: let's say, and depending on what I need, the appropriate 231 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: appliances will get activated. There's a computer in consciousness, call 232 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: it a cosmic computer whatever, that is constantly monitoring your 233 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: experience in trying to regulate your body, you know. But 234 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: we kind of sometimes interfare with that through lack of sleep, 235 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: for example, or a dysfunctional relationship or an improper diet. 236 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 2: And now we not only know the gene activity, but 237 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: also the part of the autonomic nervous system, which we 238 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: call the parasympathetic nervous system, which is activated by all 239 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: these techniques, whether it's yoga or breathing, or chanting or 240 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: singing or meditation or mind body coordination or tai chi 241 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: or chigong or what you call you know, acuper pressure. 242 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 2: So looking at the new era where we can combine 243 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 2: everything that we know in Western medicine, with everything that 244 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: we know in these healing traditions, and there's a science. 245 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: I love it. 246 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: That's that's I love the book. 247 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 2: Now want to body. 248 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 3: I love that. You know. 249 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: I had a experience many years ago where I was 250 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: a young man, uh and I was, you know, suffering 251 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: from a tremendous amount of back pain, low back pain, 252 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, to the point where like I'd 253 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: be driving down the road, I had to pull the 254 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: car over and lie on the ground that it was 255 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: but just it would literally like make me cry. And 256 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: I heard about this book, the Sarno Book, and I 257 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: remember I was on vacation. My back was killing me, 258 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: and I started reading this book and literally as I'm 259 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: reading it, my backstart stopped hurting. 260 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: And you know, back book. 261 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: Was a good friend of mine, do it was? 262 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: He yeah, yeah, I mean it changed my life, honestly, 263 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: and I've I've continued to you know, share that book 264 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: with with people, you know, because especially with backs. 265 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: You know, he talked about. 266 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: The you know, the fear that we have around and 267 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: we always think that it's there's something wrong with your 268 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: spine or you know, whatever it is, and this is 269 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: not the ascount people that have true spin as you've 270 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: pointed out, true things that need to be fixed, you know, 271 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: true spinal injuries. But once I started to think about 272 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: it and to think about, you know, what was actually 273 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: going on in my life that that I wasn't quite 274 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: dealing with, things got a lot better. I mean, my 275 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: back got better. I don't know, I don't know my 276 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: life necessarily got better, but my back back got better 277 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: for that time. And I think about that, you know, 278 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit now. But I have to ask you, 279 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, I I sometimes when i'm I'm not I'm 280 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: not what I would call a spiritual person, right, I don't. 281 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: I don't have a religion. I don't have a religious practice. 282 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: I don't I do things, for instance, like meditate, and 283 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll use you know, apps or or or you know, 284 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, voices or things that I've subscribed to to 285 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: kind of walk me through it. But when it starts 286 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: to dip a little too far into some spirituality, I 287 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: kind of find myself pulling back from that. So I'm wondering, what, what, 288 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: what kind of advice you would have for somebody like me. 289 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 4: Let me. 290 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: Actually take you a little deeper on this, Okay, because 291 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be afraid of exploring spirituality for the following reasons. 292 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: This is going in to the heart of two very 293 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: big scientific conundrums that we have today. If you go 294 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: on the Internet and you type out the following question, 295 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: what are the one hundred and twenty five open questions 296 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 2: and science today? 297 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: There are one hundred and twenty five open questions and science. 298 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: By the way, you know, how did life begin? 299 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: E said, But the first thing that comes up is 300 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: what is the universe made of? And I won't go 301 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: detailed into it. You would think that, you know, most 302 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: of the universe is gravity and particles and force fields, 303 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 2: and you know what we call atoms and molecules. Well, 304 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: that's point zero one percent of the universe, which is atomic. 305 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 2: The rest is dark energy doc matter, non atomic. We 306 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: can't even interact with it, so we have no idea 307 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: what it is point zero one percent of the visible universe, 308 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 2: which is two trillion galaxies one hundred you know, seven 309 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: hundred sixtillions. That's seven hundred followed by twenty one zeros. 310 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: And now they say uncountable trillions of probably habitable planets, 311 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 2: including sixty billion habitable planets just in the Milky Way 312 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 2: galaxy atomic. But the problem with atoms is or particles, 313 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: when you're not observing them, they disappear. They're not physical anymore. 314 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: They disappear into mathematical space, and they're called wave functions. 315 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: That's therefore the first question in size today's what's the 316 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: universe made of? And nobody knows what it's made of? 317 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: Zero They say it's made of nothing, which leads to 318 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: our second question in science, Then why does it. 319 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: Look like this? 320 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: You know, like you and me and the computer and 321 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: the Milky Way galaxy and stars and trees and rocks 322 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: and animals. That's called the hard problem of consciousness. Now, 323 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: in the short time we have right now, we can't 324 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: go into detail, but there's an emerging science which we 325 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: call consciousness, which might be fundamental reality. Conscious not the mind, 326 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: it's not the body. It's that in which we experience 327 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 2: the mind and body. So if I ask you where 328 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: are you having this experience right now listening? You probably 329 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: point to your ears or your brain, But there's no 330 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: sound in your ears or your brain either. If I say, 331 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: where are you seeing my image the park on your screen? 332 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: Where is this experience happening? You might point to your eyes, 333 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 2: your brain, but there's no experience in your eyes in 334 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 2: your brain either, there are only chemical activities eellectual So 335 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: there's a growing body of evidence that experience happens, for 336 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: lack of a better word, in what we call awareness 337 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 2: or consciousness. Without awareness or consciousness, there's no experience. There's 338 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: no sound, there's no touch, no sight, no say it tastes, 339 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: no smell, no thought, no feeling, no emotion, no no ideas, 340 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: no creativity, no any no experience. So consciousness is that 341 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: which makes experience happen, and we don't know where it is. 342 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: So the spiritual traditions have said, if you go really 343 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: deep beyond your mind, you do encounter and experience where 344 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: you feel connected to everything ineffable, You lose the fear 345 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: of death, you have spontaneous emergence of what is called 346 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 2: platonic values like truth, goodness, beauty, harmony, and you actually 347 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: find your identity beyond space and time. Now this was 348 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: very difficult for people to explain in the past, because 349 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,719 Speaker 2: you know, it did sounds so esoteric and so vague. 350 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 2: But now with all that we're learning from psychedelics and 351 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: so on, it looks like your brain is not the 352 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: orchestrator of experience. It's like it's like a radio set 353 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: which receives experience from another domain beyond space and time. 354 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: You don't have to call it God, you don't have 355 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: to call it spirit. Just call it it whatever it is. 356 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: But we are on a little planet, little planet in 357 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: the junkyard of infinity, and we think we figured it out. 358 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: We have it. 359 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: So the biggest experience you can have is a spiritual being. 360 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: Is astonishment, is wonder, is curiosity, and it's almost bewilderment. 361 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: Those are spiritual experiences because we don't know why there 362 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: is existence, or why there's awareness of existence. Because if 363 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: you weren't aware that you exist, then what's the point. 364 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: So these are very big questions and I think they 365 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 2: deserve exploring in every which way possible, whether it's through 366 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: Web three or artificial intelligence, or psychedelics or meditation, or 367 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: even the rituals that go with religion. Because those people 368 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: had an experience which was ineffable and they couldn't explain it, 369 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: and you know, the followers just were believing in the experience, 370 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: not having that experience on their own. If Buddha had 371 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: an experience, I don't want to worship the Buddha. I 372 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: want to know what that experience was or Jesus so well, 373 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: you know. So that's my take on spirituality. I would say, 374 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: take the plunge and explore it. 375 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 3: You'll be surprised. 376 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 5: If you are inspired by today's episode. Please join us 377 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 5: in supporting six degrees dot org by texting the word 378 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 5: bacon to seven zero seven zero seven zero. 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And so the 395 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 4: purpose of the Triple Foundation is to really make this 396 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 4: vision a reality. But where we really focused on right 397 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: now is in three areas as we speak in this 398 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: one hour podcast, more than sixty plus people would have died. 399 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 4: Mental health is one of the silent pandemics every forty 400 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: seconds blue some of the suicide globally in this great 401 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 4: country every eleven minutes every day below twenty two veterans 402 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 4: you know, to suicide. So one of the big movements 403 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: what we are looking at at the Foundation is how 404 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 4: do we really address this mental health And that's really 405 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 4: we've started a movement called Never Alone with our co 406 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 4: founders also Gabrielle right with Deepak, truly look at mental health, 407 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 4: but really look at this consciousness based approach. Like Deepak 408 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 4: always says, don't confuse yourself with your selfie and. 409 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: I know who you are. 410 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 4: And in the deep dark, when you know the deep 411 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 4: in the dark night of the soul, how do you 412 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 4: going to reach into that part of you to find 413 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: the resilience to transcend whatever you're going through at that point. 414 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 4: So that's really a big focus for us mental health 415 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 4: and the reason for that is also if you can 416 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 4: think about the second leading cause of death for my 417 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: young adults is dead by suicide? 418 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Isn't that a tragedy? Right? As we talk. 419 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 4: Sending people to Mars and we talk about all the 420 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 4: innovation and AI, a younger generation saying take me out 421 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 4: of here. 422 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: I don't want to be part of this. 423 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: So when you look at that, we realize that, Okay, 424 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: how do we talk to them? 425 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: As you look at meditations, we believe. 426 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: We need to talk through them gaming. How do you 427 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 4: look at gaming as a platform to talk to young adults. 428 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 4: So we're doing a lot of interesting work in gaming. Example, 429 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: let's say playing Fortnite or Call of Duty or Legal 430 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 4: Legends or Roadblocks. Don't tell kids not to play the game, 431 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: because obviously they're connecting with that. How do you change 432 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 4: the mechanics in between games? How can we teach them 433 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 4: focus attention, so mini games between games. So that's a 434 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 4: focus for us and Deepark touched on this. On psychedelics, 435 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 4: we really believe that if medication's not working, but there's 436 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 4: an entire domain of psychedelics which is really creating a 437 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: profound effect on mental health, how do they kind of 438 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: bring these education in awareness. So that's part of mental health. 439 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: The second area which we have focused on is Deepark's 440 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 4: bodio work over the last four decades, is how do 441 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: you transform human well being? And very specifically, if we're 442 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: looking at health span, people are obviously doing a lot 443 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 4: of work and longevity. People will live longer, that's modern science, 444 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: live better. How do we improve health span quality of life? 445 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 4: So we say we want the wisdom of age and 446 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 4: the biology of youth. So as people live longer, how 447 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 4: do you talk about purpose, your relationship with time, and 448 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: how do you kind of give these knowledge and information. 449 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 4: So that's a big focus for us in the Foundation. 450 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: And the third area of focus for us is. 451 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: How can we in these times. 452 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 4: Have a leadership crisis globally and globally we believe there's 453 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 4: a lack of trust. People don't trust anything these days 454 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: and that really did ritic correlation to leadership, personal and 455 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 4: professional leadership. 456 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: So we have a program. 457 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 4: Which they Parkash to teach at calag and Columbia over 458 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 4: the last fifteen years and we are already taking that 459 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: to the global caordiance. 460 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: Called the Soul of Leadership. 461 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 4: So connecting with not your LinkedIn profile, we can always 462 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 4: google that, sure, but what do we look at the 463 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: soul profile? Who are you as a person, how do 464 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 4: you lead from that? So these are the three areas 465 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: which we are broadly focused on in the foundation. 466 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: And then how do you in in the day to 467 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: day work? How how do how are you implementing these 468 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: ideas and how are you spreading spreading this these these 469 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: these ideas. 470 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: So then we say it takes a village to you know, 471 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: bring up a child. So what we're doing is creating 472 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 4: global collaborations. 473 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 3: So we have the content be of the knowledge. That's 474 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 3: what we are very good at. 475 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: So example, so we're taking the knowledge on mental health 476 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: and we're taking it to Africa. We're raising awareness for 477 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: something called FGM, female genital mutilation. But how now when 478 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: somebody has gone through that trauma, how can we use 479 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 4: our programs, our meditation, our content and enable people in 480 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 4: those communities to use it. So that's one example example. 481 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 4: On leadership, we have actually uh op on on our website. 482 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 4: We go to c FI dot Chopra Foundation dot org. 483 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 4: CFI dot Choprofoundation dot org. 484 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: You will see two courses. 485 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 4: One of the courses is called the Soul of Leadership. 486 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 4: We we're offering it free and this is through a 487 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: grant from Robert Smith's Foundation. We believe everybody needs to 488 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 4: be their own leader, so that's a free program we 489 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 4: are offering. We also have a program called Peace is 490 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: the Way. Our goal is to really create global peace facilitators. 491 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 4: If you can work in your community and then really 492 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 4: work through your community, become a facilitator. So our goal 493 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: is to enable those programs and content, and that's really 494 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 4: how we are building alliances. We're working in India through 495 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 4: our collaborations over there, in Australia, in Spain, in Majorca, 496 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: obviously doing a lot. 497 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: Of work in London. 498 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 4: A good example of this would be announced a collaboration 499 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 4: with Stella McCartney on equine therapy, right, and equint therapy 500 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: is something, but as as you look at mental health, 501 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 4: everybody has a different way. Like you said, people find 502 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 4: what they want, what resonates with them. But if you 503 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: be a young adult, you know you could don't have 504 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 4: access to psychedelics. Maybe we want to look at VR therapy. 505 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: We're working with that too. We're working with the leading 506 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 4: anxiety expert from Harvard to look at anxiety and VR 507 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: in the brain. 508 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 3: But maybe it's just easing equin So yeah, I would 509 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 3: say a. 510 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 4: Platora of tools, products and services which you're enabling other 511 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 4: third parties to use. 512 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: I love that you are. 513 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: I mean when you mentioned the gaming and the psychedelics, 514 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I love that you're You're you're not drawing a line 515 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: in the sand in terms of these things, because you know, 516 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways with this stuff, the horses 517 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: out of the barn and both of you have mentioned 518 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: AI and it makes me think about, you know, this 519 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: is not exactly AI, but I'm the intersection of this 520 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: incredible technology tsunami that we've experienced in the last you 521 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: know whatever, fifteen twenty years. It's it's it's I'm not 522 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: the first to say that it can be completely overwhelming, 523 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: but just to share a story for me that I 524 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: was thinking about. You know, a lot of times, if 525 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: I am going to meditate in the middle of the day, 526 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: I have a. 527 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 3: Sound which is a. 528 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: Light a light rain falling in a rainforest that I 529 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: that I like. And I was listening to it, and 530 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: there's there's some birds kind of like you know, kind 531 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: of tropical birds. They're overlaid on this sound, and I 532 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: go back to it all the time just because it's 533 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: a good one for me. Whatever, and all of a sudden, 534 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: I realized that I put in my headset and I 535 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: turned my phone on, and I realized that there was 536 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: a light rain falling where I was, and there were birds, 537 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: and I didn't need this thing in my hand, this 538 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: piece of machinery, and these things in my ears. So 539 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: and it was such a simple moment, but it kind 540 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: of made me go, why am I so wrapped up in. 541 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 3: Trying to. 542 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: Stay somehow technologically connected to something? Is it keeping me 543 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: from you know, being pride, from hearing, from seeing nature, 544 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: from experiencing people and people's faces and their eyes and 545 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: their voices and all this other stuff. So I'm wondering 546 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 1: about the kind of the intersection. Maybe you could speak 547 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: on this deep ok between you know, technology and spiritualism. 548 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you know when we were growing up, 549 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: when I was growing up, you know, by fourteen fifteen, 550 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: there were no computers. In fact, when I came to 551 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: the country, I had never to the United States nineteen seventy. 552 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 2: I had never seen a television set in my life. 553 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: And then, you know, while it was in color, I 554 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: was totally bewildered by the technology. Then came fax machines, 555 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 2: Then came the Internet, all, you know, in my lifetime. 556 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: There I miss a good facts machine. I miss a 557 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: good fax machine, or a. 558 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: Kid who grew up in India with no access to this. 559 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 2: My teenage years were full of adventure, you know, going 560 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 2: to the jungle with my father to look at tigers 561 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 2: and even go tiger hunts, going to the Himalias in 562 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: the summer in this and climbing mountains. There was total 563 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: exposure to nature. 564 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 3: From then. 565 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: I see these poor kids now in this country, especially 566 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: COVID and post after, who think that the world exists 567 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: on a computer. 568 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: They're not nowhere there. 569 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: So I think giving them these tools, a little bit 570 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: like gaming, like we are experiences actually can make them 571 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 2: more interested in actually going for the real thing too, 572 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: you know. And there is when I was educated as 573 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 2: a child, even in India, there was poetry, there was music, 574 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: there was dance, there was ballet, there was storytelling, there 575 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: was theater, There was adventures in nature. And yes there 576 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 2: was sport too, but it wasn't the kind of sport 577 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: where you will you get a scholarships and make a 578 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: lot of money and that becomes the motivation. It was 579 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: sport for the joy of sport, music for the joy 580 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 2: of music. You know poetry, Well, how many kids these 581 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: days listen to poetry or even can quote Shakespeare or 582 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: ts Eliot. So you know, our education with all emphasis 583 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 2: or technology, engineering, science, mathematics. While it's good it makes 584 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 2: people nerds and experts to get a Nobel prize, it 585 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: deprives them of their humanity. We are actually a society 586 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: that has deprived our kids of their humanity. 587 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,959 Speaker 3: They don't even know what it means to be human. 588 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 4: Also, Deepog's point came, and I think it's conscious use 589 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 4: of technology. So what we're saying is that you're playing 590 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 4: a game. Yes, what I cannot get the kid playing 591 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 4: Fortnite play Fortnite, but imagine I could teach you how 592 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 4: to breathe. So when you get short in Fortnite, imagine 593 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 4: that the tip it tells you this is how you 594 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 4: activate your breathwork so you can get to the next level. 595 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 4: So between games, we can make them more conscious. So 596 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 4: don't change the game. But while you design the game, 597 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 4: let's be more conscious. Because I'm the generation which came 598 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 4: with fast internet and mobile phones, we trought addiction. Maybe 599 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 4: in this age of AI, we can create more conscious AI. 600 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 4: And I think we had a very interesting intersection because, 601 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 4: like Deepug always says, we have medieval mindset but very 602 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 4: godlike technologies at our disposal. So we better be conscious 603 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 4: as a global community how we. 604 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 3: Leverage but also put it to good use. 605 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 4: I think today just think about it, every forty seconds 606 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 4: we lose someone to suicide globally. The are not enough 607 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 4: therapists in this country. It takes six weeks to get appointment. 608 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 3: That's based on statistics. We have to use technology during 609 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 3: the pandemic. 610 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 4: The foundation we deployed any being a technology di chatbot, 611 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 4: we thought maybe left twenty thousand users. Maybe, you know, 612 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 4: we had more than twenty six million messages exchanged on 613 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 4: the platform, sixteen million minutes of conversation and four eight 614 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 4: hundred suicidal ideation interventions. 615 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 3: Right, this is on a simple chatbot. 616 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 4: But now that can be used for good. How do 617 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 4: we use it as an intervention? Because I think there 618 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 4: is a certain amount of use of technolo. This is 619 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 4: the use of technology using zoom, right, but we shouldn't 620 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 4: be dependent on that as the only means of communication. 621 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 2: Share shared with Kevin whatfit did with the mayor of Mammy. 622 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: You know, yes, he and this have bonded it now 623 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: because we created a game for them on roadblocks. 624 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: So we're basically thinking, you know, when you think. 625 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 4: About gaming, he said, okay, it's this and that, right, 626 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 4: you cannot game. So we said, we go to roadblocks. 627 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 4: Everybody is on roadblocks. Why don't we create yoga and 628 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 4: meditation on zuo roadblocks And we said, let's kind of 629 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 4: use that as a platform. And now the father and 630 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 4: son can both play together. Right, and those are things 631 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 4: experiences like father and son used to go camping. Maybe 632 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 4: now we go to go a little bit of a 633 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 4: given take father and son player game together and then 634 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 4: they go camping. 635 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 3: Right, I think this. 636 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 4: Bonding, we have to also meet in the middle. It's 637 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 4: not this or that. I think that train has left 638 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 4: the station. Like we are doing a lot of things 639 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 4: in immersive meditations these days. With the technology is brain 640 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 4: and trainment. Right when you go, when you use light, 641 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 4: photoic stimulation, sound by neuural beats, we can shift change 642 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 4: your reality. So when meditation used to be an ice 643 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 4: closed experience one on one, we worked with a company 644 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 4: to create this immersive experiences, which we believe now it's 645 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 4: going to be the collective shared experience. 646 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 3: As we go to the future amazing. 647 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: What would you say is the most pressing need that 648 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: the organization has. Now you've spoken a lot about mental health. 649 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: I suppose it's it's mental health and mostly or partly 650 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: amongst young people. 651 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 4: I would say it's both ends of the spectrum. I 652 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 4: think the younger suffering and the older suffering. Right, I 653 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 4: think it's both ends of the spectrum. So one ENVI 654 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 4: have mental health among young adults. We also have a 655 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 4: very big issue with cognitive decline arkinsas Alzeiber's design dementia. 656 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 4: So our goal of the foundation look at both. I 657 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 4: look at this end of the spectrum. It's loneliness, right, 658 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 4: How do we create community? And I think, Deepuk, we 659 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 4: have a program called Love and Action where we want 660 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 4: to create love as the operating system of communities. We 661 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 4: really be separated the young and the old right when 662 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 4: they actually maybe it should be together. And so when 663 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 4: we want to kind of this the other program go 664 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 4: Love and Action. When Deepuk, maybe you want to share 665 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 4: this is the four tenants of how communities can come together? 666 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 3: Deepug? Do you want to share that? 667 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you know in Eastern wisdom traditions they say 668 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 2: when you have shared vision, when you have maximum diversity participants, 669 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: ethnic diversity, racial diversity, diversity in education, storytelling, humanity, science experts. 670 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 2: So shared vision maximum diversity, leveraging each other's strengths because 671 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 2: we all have different strengths and a spiritual and emotional 672 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 2: bond of some kind, then you can solve any problem. 673 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 2: So I took that seriously and we created this thing 674 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 2: called Never Alone dot Love and basically we connect people 675 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 2: with each other and we have four things that we 676 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 2: talk about. Attention deep listening to each other, Affection, deep 677 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,560 Speaker 2: caring for each other, appreciation, noticing everyone's uniqueness, and radical 678 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 2: acceptance doesn't matter who you are, you know, binary, non bordinary, black, white, yellow, whatever. 679 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: Radical acceptance of everyone. And so you know, this is 680 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 2: part of our attempt now to create both global online 681 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 2: and offline communities of support for each other. Attention, affection, 682 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 2: appreciation and acceptance. And they also combine it with leadership. 683 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 2: So you know, recently I was in Sweden and I 684 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 2: had no idea that in Sweden there's an African Swedish 685 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 2: population much like African American population, which is very marginalized, 686 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,400 Speaker 2: where crime rate is high, unemployment is high, illness is high, 687 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 2: depression is high. So you know, I started to work 688 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 2: with them, and it turned out that the Obama former 689 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 2: President Obama, has a forum called Global leaders and we 690 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 2: worked with them in Sweden to actually create a new 691 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 2: leadership for the Swedish American community. We've done the same 692 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 2: here in Queens in New York, where the crime rate 693 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 2: actually went down by ninety nine percent, so much so 694 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 2: that you know, Ponacha and I have now worked are 695 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 2: working with the school system in New York and in 696 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 2: corporate leadership training for young people, because I think you 697 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 2: give them purpose, you give them passion, you give them connectivity, 698 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 2: and you create an emotional bond. The best example is 699 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 2: sports teams. They have shared vision. You know, at least 700 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 2: in sports like we say baseball or not baseball, football 701 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,320 Speaker 2: and other sports soccer. 702 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 3: You have those elements. 703 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 2: You know, everybody's supporting each other, they're emotionally connected, they 704 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 2: want to win all they're not even competing with each other. 705 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,280 Speaker 2: They're leveraging each other's strengths. That's a great model for leadership. 706 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I think this is all great, great 707 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: work that you guys are doing, and it's been an 708 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating conversation. I'm going to be mentally tuning on 709 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,440 Speaker 1: this for some time. What is the This is a 710 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: call to action now, I mean how can. 711 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,880 Speaker 3: People get involved? 712 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,399 Speaker 1: Could be pitch the websites and and and and let's 713 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: let's hear how how people can check out this great work. 714 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 4: I think we have a website with Schoprofoundation dot org, 715 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:15,640 Speaker 4: which I did to share in the link. 716 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: Okay, that are We also. 717 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 4: Have a platform called CFI CFI dot Chopra Foundation dot org. 718 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 3: Courses. 719 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 4: We have the Soul of Leadership course and Piece of 720 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 4: the Way course if people can go on sign up 721 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 4: and roll and we also everybody updated on our website 722 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 4: on a newsletter, subscribe and. 723 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,240 Speaker 3: We will keep them updated. 724 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 4: And also right back to us, I think it's co creation, 725 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 4: right we as we co create together for more peaceful, 726 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 4: just sustainable, healthy and joyful world. And your platform with 727 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 4: what you are doing, is also a great enabler for 728 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 4: us to share this message. 729 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: Well, I want to thank you both so much for 730 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: being here today, and I, like I said, it's been 731 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: a fascinating conversation and I think I'm going to have 732 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 1: to listen back to this one to kind of reabsorb 733 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: some of the things that we spoke about. And so 734 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you so much for being here and 735 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: keep up the great work you know we need it. 736 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, Kevin. 737 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, thank you so much for listening to another 738 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: episode of Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon. And if you 739 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: want to learn more about the Deep Pop Chopra Foundation 740 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: and all the work that they are up to, head 741 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: to their website, the Chopra Foundation dot org. You can 742 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: find all the links in our show notes, and if 743 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,760 Speaker 1: you like what you hear, please make sure you subscribe 744 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: to the show tune into the rest of our episodes. 745 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,800 Speaker 1: You can find Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon on iHeartRadio, 746 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,719 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I see 747 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: you next time.