1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast. This is 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: an unusual one. I'm doing it from the grounds of 3 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: the Usta Billy Jan King National Tennis Center because well, 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: I never leave here, so I've decided to pull in 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: the person that I know who's also hasn't left the 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: grounds and it's pretty much had left sleep than me, 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: and that's Pam Shiverer. Pam, thanks for joining me today. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: We're going to recap the first week as best as 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: we can. 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 3: No, it's certainly a short night sleep last night, but 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: we both were looking forward to the Muhova Paolini match, 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 3: which we just called, and you were smoked to get 14 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: me while my energy is still up. 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: So anyway, let's get a little bit of recap. I mean, 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: this first week of the US Open has been pretty tremendous. 18 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: We had so many big upsets on the men's side. 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Something we didn't expect to see is both Novak Djokovic 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: and Alcaraz out of the tournament with two huge upsets, 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: one of course from vander down Sloop. That was probably 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: more of a surprise for me just the way it 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: happened against Alcarez, and obviously Alexi Popper and what he 24 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: was able to do against Novak Chokovich was impressive, but 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: Novac certainly didn't look his best. How much do you think, Pam, 26 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: that was a little bit also of the Olympic fatigue 27 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: factive for the guys playing best of five here is 28 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: a little different from the women coming backing up from 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: the Olympics playing best of three. Yeah. 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 3: I think obviously it had an effect. We knew this 31 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: summer for the players playing, and really, what is the 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: fifth major every Olympic four years, It was going to 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: be a lot because of the surface transition, clay grass, 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: clay hardcourt. To do all that in Mike, a seven 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: eight week span is a lot to ask physically, mentally, emotionally. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: And I think you're right. The main difference is because 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: the women medalists from the singles really played great tennis. 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: At the oment, two of the three are still in 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: it with Siontek and Jang, and I think the three 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: out of five set format is the reason why. 41 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I think that. Look Also, Alchiis was 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: losing his shit in Cincinnati, so you knew that his 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, just his capacity to deal with the 44 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: stress and the pressure of the US Open was going 45 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: to be tough, and I think that loss really stung him. 46 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: At the Olympics in his wonder Pam how much like Djokovic, 47 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: his energy levels were as well, because that was, as 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: he said, the greatest moment of his tennis career winning 49 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: the gold medal, which is pretty remarkable considering what he's 50 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: done in his tennis career. It's unbelievable. But also kudos 51 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: to the guys that got the wins, because you still 52 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: have to win the match. Something that's a real positive, 53 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, in this tournament so far, is just the 54 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: success of the Americans, particularly the American men. Were used 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: to the American women still being latent tournaments like the 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: likes of Cocoa Goth and Jess Bagool or etc. But 57 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: to see what Taylor and Tommy and Francis are doing 58 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: in this tournament and Brandon Nakashima who lost yesterday, but gee, 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: you've got to be if you're Americans tennis, got to 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: be pretty pumped about what you're seeing. 61 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: Now we've I've seen them this summer be ranked all 62 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: in a bunch right in the sort of the bottom 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: end end of the top ten, and the first few 64 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: spots of like eleven, twelve, thirteen, they're pushing each other. 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 3: They have that sort of friendly rivalry where they're sort 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: of using the energy of the group to push forward. 67 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: I think they're sick and tired, the men of hearing 68 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 3: how many years it's been since Andy Roddick won a 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: major on the US male side. That's two thousand and 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 3: three US Open. And I think all the men that 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 3: are still in it from the US I mean, Paul 72 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: has the toughest assignment, needless say, because by the time, 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: you know, he played center tonight. But I think Tiafo 74 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: and Taylor Fritz who knows, we could see an all 75 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: American semi final. 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually said that the other day. I looked 77 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: at the draw and I thought, oh my god, like, 78 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: we really could have two American men in the semifinals. 79 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: And can you remember the last time that happened, Well, 80 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: probably in the. 81 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: Era of the sampras Agasy courier chang, you know, certainly 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: it happened a lot in the Connors back and row. 83 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think over the other type. 84 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Mars out of Europe, and we haven't slept enough to 85 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: worry about that. But yeah, I mean, this is an 86 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: amazing opportunity for these guys, and I don't know, you 87 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: just think, you know, the changing in the guard of 88 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Novak's still around. He's not going anywhere for now, but 89 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, father time catches up with everyone, and you 90 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: just think he didn't look fresh, and we know what 91 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: he's been that through. But he's only made two finals 92 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: this year, Pam. I mean one he won at the 93 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: Olympics and the other one was Wimbledon. But for him 94 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: not to win a major in the year is you 95 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: just start to think how much more does he have 96 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: mentally and physically in his body. And these guys are 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: so good and so young and so hungry, and now 98 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: they actually believe they can beat him, and that's, as 99 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, is half the battle. 100 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Novak certainly seems to have lost a little bit 101 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: of that giant aura that he had that would sort 102 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: of make him start with a two love lead in 103 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: each set. But you know, obviously the French Open, the 104 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: injury to the knee, the surgery, the surgery on the meniscus. 105 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: But when you think about how he was you just 106 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: mentioned just one tournament went on the year, and that 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: was the Olympics. Yeah, well, I mean there was not 108 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: an ATV Tour tournament win. He got the finals of 109 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: the semi finals of the Australian Open. That was probably 110 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: foreshadowing his year when he couldn't fire at the caliber 111 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: that he usually does in a semi final of major, 112 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: losing the center and you know, the injury, and then 113 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: obviously he just put all in to do the one 114 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: thing the sport he had not done, which is an 115 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 3: Olympic gold medal. And I don't think there was enough 116 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: time for even him to reset. He didn't play Canada 117 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: or Cincinnati, didn't play a warm up tournament, but I 118 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: don't think he's been able to reset and establish his 119 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 3: next big goal. Is it to get to twenty five 120 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: singles majors? Is it to you know, he's got to 121 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: have something I think to push him. 122 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And you just wonder how much because really, 123 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the only thing that he has on his resume that 124 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: he you know, to just arguably say greatest player of 125 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: all time, not just man a woman, but greatest players 126 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to get twenty five Grand slams. If he does that, 127 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: then forget about it. But I don't know, at some point, 128 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: it's it just gets tiring to have to wake up 129 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: every day and be great and win every match, and 130 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: his kids are growing up, and you just wonder how 131 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: much he's got left in the tank. But we'll certainly 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: know because if he does it, he's going to probably 133 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: do it in Australia because that's where his best results 134 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: have come. And I'm glad that truck that takes all 135 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: the poop and stuff away from the US Open has 136 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,119 Speaker 1: finally stopped happening in the background outside our beautiful ESPN 137 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: bus here on site. But anyway, but I want to 138 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: just touch upon Francis Tiafo what he was able to 139 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: do the other day against reversing the lost to Ben Shelton. 140 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 1: I think you could see in his face, Pam that 141 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: it was kind of like he was not giving in 142 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: in that match, and I think that boy that could 143 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: turn around his career again. We know how well he 144 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: played in Cincinnati, so that certainly got his confidence up. 145 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: But what he did last night, even against Popera, and 146 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: he just didn't panic. He played great. You got to think, 147 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: I mean, does he have it in him to win 148 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: this tournament? 149 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he does. 150 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: Plays Demitrof next to play the winner of Fritz Zverev. 151 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: I think tis learned so much from a semi final 152 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 3: run of two years ago and he became even more 153 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: of a star. And I think he probably knows that 154 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: sometimes he needs to say no and kind of keep 155 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: into his lane and notice sponsorship and things like that. Yeah, 156 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: stay in his hula hoop a little bit more because 157 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 3: he's yeah, like stay within the hula a little expression. 158 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: But anyway, I think, you know, we know guys mature 159 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: tend to mature a little bit later. But I do 160 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: think you mentioned that Shelton match that was huge because 161 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: he lost in the quarters that was last year to Shelton. 162 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: That was very painful loss. That's when Shelton kind of 163 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: did the hang up the phone game and. 164 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't really the same player after that loss. 165 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. 166 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: But I think Cincinnati was huge. I think the decision 167 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: for Francis not to play the Olympics. Obviously, Washington, d C. 168 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: Which is where he grew up, that was an important 169 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 3: tour stop. I think Francis getting on the hard courts, 170 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 3: getting his teeth sunk into this segment of the circuit 171 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 3: is why he has a chance to win this US Open. 172 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: From two SATs to one down against Shulton, we saw 173 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: the best of Francis. 174 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. But you got to give credit then 175 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: to Tommy Paul and Taylor Fritz because they both played 176 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: the Olympics right deep to the end. They've got a 177 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: silver medal in the doubles there, so what they've been 178 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: able to do has been impressive. Of Course, we've already 179 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: mentioned the guys that won medals at the Olympics have 180 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: not done well in the singles medals, So all credit 181 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: to Taylor and to Tommy Paul forgetting to where they've 182 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: gotten to at the US Open with that short bit 183 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: of rest as well. So it's just been an impressive 184 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: tournament from the American guys. And you have to think, 185 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, with the losses to al Karaz and 186 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: to Djokovic, does it give that impotence to the guys 187 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: that have been knocking on the door a little bit 188 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: to say why not me? And could this be the time? 189 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: Clearly we know Sinner's the one to beat in this 190 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: tournament now, and it's been pretty remarkable considering what he's 191 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: gone through emotionally over the last couple of weeks that 192 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: he's playing as well. As ears, but he will be 193 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: tested tonight against Tommy Paul for sure. 194 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, as we're talking now and recording this part, it 195 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: was almost two weeks since the news just spread so 196 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: quickly about what happened to Janick Center in March, when 197 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: two tests came up positive for a banned substance, and 198 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: he immediately went into the process of challenging it. 199 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: He could immediately. 200 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: Explain how it got into a system in three different 201 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 3: groups confirmed that that was most likely the case. Lost 202 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: his first set at this tournament, and he looked. 203 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Like a ghost. He looked like he'd seen a ghist 204 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: in that fast set, like he was not himself. 205 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, to Mackenzie McDonald. 206 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 3: But then since then his sets have been six two 207 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: six one six two sixty four six love six two 208 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: six one six four six two. So you think he's 209 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: playing well, Yeah, I think he is now, and I think, 210 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: you know, there must be an unbelievable relief. I mean, 211 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: he had known he had been dealing with this since 212 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 3: a month early April. Yeah, we just found out when 213 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: the news broke two weeks agost. We were all stunned. 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 3: But I do think he's starting to show the relief 215 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: that the worst is over for him on this process. 216 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, let's get a little bit to 217 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: the women before we wrap this little pot up and 218 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: get back to work here at the US Open. And 219 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: Pam has a nap, but Coco's lost yesterday. Let's just 220 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: dive into that one because it's fresh in our minds. 221 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: I just want to give so much credit to Emminavarro 222 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: because that was a really, really first It was an 223 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: incredibly entertaining match, but it was a great match with 224 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: Emma Navarro considering up a set and four to three, 225 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: was it thirty love or forty love? Thirty love for 226 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: sure on her serve, and then the wheels fell off 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: a little bit and Coco played great to win that 228 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: second set, and you thought, okay, train's back on the track, 229 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 1: definitely playing better golf. But the unfortunately for Coco, nineteen 230 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: double faults. Pam, you and I were both consider our 231 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: serves to be one of our strengths. I cannot imagine 232 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: double faulting nineteen times and feeling good about where my 233 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: serve was at and the anxiety I think that that 234 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: gives her on all aspects of her game. It has 235 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: to affecting her what is happening. 236 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think two shots are causing a lot of anxiety. 237 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: It's both the serve and the forehand and when you 238 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: have two such important shots that can break down, and 239 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: everybody in the locker room, every coach, everybody knows it. 240 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 3: And there you obviously can't target the serve, but you 241 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 3: can certainly target the forehand side. And you can sort 242 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 3: of see by some of the stress this summer that 243 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: Coco's displayed, whether he's at Wimbledon, when she also lost 244 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: to Novarro at the Olympics, when Donna Veketch got the 245 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: better of Cocoa Golf, and really she was defending all 246 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: these points this summer on the hard courts, didn't look 247 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: herself and had the pressure of trying to defend this title, 248 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: but she didn't have the game to do it. However, 249 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: we know Coco Golf has won a lot of tough 250 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: matches not with her a game, and it looked like 251 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: maybe that was going to be the case yesterday, but 252 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: then Navarro was able to capitalize on the mistakes and 253 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: be the better of the two. 254 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like, you know, if you're going 255 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: to teach demeanor and composure on the tennis goll It. 256 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: We thought Coco was one of the best of that. 257 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: That's being challenged little bit over the last couple of 258 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: months with some of the demonstrative behavior we've seen sort 259 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: of at her coaching box and things, And that's what 260 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: happens when you're in a bit of stress. You sort 261 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: of look to help and you're not quite got the 262 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: answers yourself. But Emma Navarro, on the other hand, I mean, 263 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: she just like, if I want someone to play poker 264 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: for me, you're in girl. Like her attitude, her composure, 265 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: her willingness to look at things like I feel like 266 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: with a glass half full or rose colored glasses all 267 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: the time, is so bloody impressive on the tennis court, 268 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: and she stepped up in the end and won that match. 269 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: You know, I really have enjoyed watching Navarro's rise. Donaveca's 270 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 3: the player of Coach Ramas two years, actually played Navarro 271 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: in the second round of Mono Ray March a year 272 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: and a half ago, and Navarro was just beginning to 273 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: make her move. Dona beaterr fairly comfortably scorelne wise, but 274 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: during the match, I'm like, oh my goodness, I knew 275 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 3: the backhand was really good the forehand was getting stronger, 276 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: the movement, the athleticism, and she's just become a great 277 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: hard worker. I think her coach Peter and Emma are 278 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: one of the best coach player tandems out there. I 279 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: love the fact they made a two year contract with 280 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 3: each other that was up just a little while ago, 281 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: and it was like, we're renewing because this is going 282 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: really well. On Navarro, who knows what her ceiling is 283 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: because she is proving a little bit like Pagoula. Maybe 284 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 3: you don't see it necessarily in the juniors that she's 285 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: going to be like a top tenor, but I think 286 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Navarro is definitely has a chance to win a major 287 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: and be a consistent member of the top ten. 288 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, consistent member of the top ten foreshore. I mean, 289 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, just like we just called the Pegoula, sorry, 290 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: the Pawelini Mukhova match, and both of those players that 291 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: have been in the top ten. Paolini is there now. 292 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: I suspect that Macova will probably move back in there 293 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: at some point if she stays injury free. But Emma 294 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: Navarro is a very similar player. You know, all court 295 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: player can come forward, you know, great top spin on 296 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: the forehand, and then you've got that beautiful backhand that 297 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: can go anywhere, cross caught down the line so easily. 298 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: She can slice very good serve, so not a lot 299 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: of weaknesses, and that's really the key. And I think 300 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: that's what happened in the end yesterday with Coca, is 301 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: that Coco's weaknesses you can see, Emma's you don't really see. 302 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: So you know, there's a little bit of work for 303 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: Coco to do in the not the off season, because 304 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: she's still got to play in the fall. But certainly, look, 305 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: she's twenty years of age. The improvement is still possible. 306 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: But little Paula Medosa's really come back. Pam playing some 307 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: great tennis and she won Washington d C which Coco 308 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: did last year. And one of the things she said 309 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: after she won, and we mentioned it last week on 310 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: the podcast with Peco, she said, I finally figured out 311 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: how to be an athlete again. And when you think 312 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: about her back injury and all of that stuff, boy, 313 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: oh boy, does she look bloody good now and she's 314 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: hitting the ball really well. 315 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you always like to see a comeback. She was 316 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: number two in the world for a while, but it 317 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: wasn't because of great results in majors. She'd only been 318 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: to one quarter final of a major before, never a 319 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: Sammy or a final, and she's looked great here now. 320 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: She did have a match point against her when she 321 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 3: was playing Rusa in the third round. And we know 322 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: through the years how many times you kind of feel 323 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: this sense of relief and you know, what do you 324 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 3: call it? Like a second life and you play with 325 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: great freedom, And I thought Bidosa did that in her 326 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: fourth round match against one. Next up against Navarro, it's 327 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: not a match that we've I don't even know if 328 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: they've played. 329 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't recall them playing. 330 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: I think Bidoza's forehand is one of the biggest weapons 331 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: in women's tennis right now now that she's healthy again. 332 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 3: The serve is the big question because that second serve 333 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 3: and the toss can really go off when Bidosa's under stress. 334 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: And let's face it, Navarro knows how to exploit when 335 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: somebody had some vulnerability on the surf. 336 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, having said that, as you said, the first serve 337 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: is beak, So it's a matter of confidence. I don't know. 338 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: I maybe give a slight edge to Emma just because 339 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: of what she's done over the last twelve months and 340 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: the crowd is going to be a huge factor for her, 341 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: so you just have to give her a slight edge. 342 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: But if Badosa plays at her best, we know what 343 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: she's capable of, So looking forward to that matchup. Unfortunately 344 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: for you, Pammy was here till two fifteen am for 345 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: Donna Vekch losing to Chinwan Jiung. Great match. It was 346 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: such a shame it was on so late because I 347 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: would say that that was possibly the best match I've 348 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: seen on the women's side this year this tournament. Great 349 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: hitting of the ball. You know, both were hitting more 350 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: winners than unforced errors, and they were clocking the ball, 351 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: so it's like they were hitting winner after winner after winner. Yes, 352 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: there was some unforced errors, but in the end it 353 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: was Jiang who got the edge in the three sets. 354 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: I just think Donna ran out a bit of a 355 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: gas in the third set, but Jang to play Zapalannka, now. 356 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: Well, you know what was fun about this match is 357 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: to have within a month a rematch of the gold 358 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: medal match from Paris, which was a much more routine 359 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: win for Juang, and to have such high quality. I 360 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: mean the first set you had twelve straight holds. They 361 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: only faced a couple of break points. The quality the 362 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 3: serving and Donna was serving second, so the pressure on 363 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: her late in that set was immense. I was really 364 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: proud that Donna got at the tie break. Unfortunately, that 365 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 3: was one of the moments of the match, was that 366 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 3: Janga played a much better quality tie break. And it 367 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: turns out winning the first set usually matters in most matches. 368 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 3: But still did Donna come back and win the second set. 369 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: And to see Donna here at the US Open sort 370 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: of back up her results earlier in the summer when 371 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: she got the finals of the Olympics Semis of Women 372 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 3: and came within two points of the final, losing to Pallini. 373 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: You know Donna's match point, She didn't get to match point, 374 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 3: did not She was up eight to seven in the 375 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: match tiebreak. But for Donna at this point, at twenty eight, 376 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 3: we know the primes of careers. You can mature, you 377 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 3: can learn new skills as far as mindset and how 378 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: to just be mentally a little more resilient. And Donna's 379 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: been open to learning some new skills to manage the 380 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: mental side. Still she's always going to be emotional, but 381 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 3: she's learned how to reset a lot better and not 382 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: let the previous point affect the next point. So I 383 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: see Donna's upside. Kind of one of the reasons why 384 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 3: I was willing to join the team two years ago. 385 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: I think her best years are ahead. 386 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it's just nice to see her back 387 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: in a terrible knee injury a couple of years ago 388 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,439 Speaker 1: with surgery, and just you know, a couple of years ago, 389 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with her and said, what do 390 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: you feel like you need to do? Because she was 391 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: still hitting the ball so well. I coached against her 392 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: a couple of times in doubles, and she said, stubbsy, 393 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: I gotta lose weight. And you know, that was just 394 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: such a frank and honest answer for Donna to give. 395 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: You can cough, Pam, It's okay, you know, we can 396 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: edit that out, but you know, it was just a 397 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: nice thing for her to realize. Look, I just got 398 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: to get fitter and faster and stronger. And I have 399 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: to say, Pam, Wow, James Blake and I were both 400 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: just so impressed with how well Donna was moving around 401 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: the court yesterday and just making jiang play one extra 402 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: great shot. And guess what, she did. Jiang was just 403 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: a little bit better, a little bit more energetic at 404 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: the beginning of the third set, and I think that 405 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: made the world a difference. And you've got to give 406 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: a lot of credit and the confidence that Jang possesses 407 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: now after winning that gold medal. And listen, I gotta 408 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: tell you, Pam, and I know this because of just 409 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: connections with some Chinese players over the past. The Olympics 410 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: means more to the Chinese than anything. So as big 411 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: as star as Lena is in the in the in 412 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: China after winning two slams, Qinuan, Jiang is bigger the 413 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: gold medal. She said, Yes, people recognize me for what 414 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: I've done in my tennis career. Tennis fans recognized me, 415 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: but she said, when I went back to China, now 416 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: everybody recognizes me. And that's how big that point is. 417 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: But how do you see the Saboleanca metchup. 418 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because I think while we known that 419 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: Sabolenka has been one of the power players of this generation, 420 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: now we have Jiang entering the conversation because the power 421 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 3: she possesses when the first serve is working well and 422 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 3: the groundstrokes and I tell you another really impressive shot 423 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 3: of Xang was the slice backhand when Jang was put 424 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: on defense by Donna Vekich. She's going to be on 425 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: defense at times, certainly against Sabolenka. That was like one 426 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 3: of those unsung hero type shots. So I was really 427 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: impressed by Jiang. She stands way back on the first serve, 428 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: which I think is going to be interesting visual for Sabolenka. 429 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 3: I looking forward to that match. Sometimes two power players 430 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 3: facing off isn't all that pretty. But remember the Australian 431 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 3: Open final less than two years ago between Remarka and 432 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: Saballanka is one of the best matches. 433 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: Of the year. 434 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: And I think the Jang having played Saballanka in the 435 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: finals of the Australian Open will help her in this match, 436 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: because look, she's been there. She's now won an enormous 437 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: title for herself in the Olympics, and I think her 438 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: confidence is so much higher than it was earlier this year. 439 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a little bit of a oh 440 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: who's this girl in the finals of the austray And Open, 441 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: and Sabalanka was so comfortable out on rod Laver arena. 442 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: She won the tournament the year before. She was like, 443 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: this is my house kind of thing, Whereas I feel 444 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: like Jang goes into this match with a lot more 445 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: confidence on hard court, and she's going to have to 446 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: play her best to beat Sablenka. But if Sabalanka is 447 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: serving drops off a little bit, Jang is also serving huge. 448 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: When she's getting the first survey and second service, still 449 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: vulnerable and Donna took advantage of that last night, just 450 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: not quite enough. We're sitting here watching Pegoula play against Schneider, 451 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts in first of all, in 452 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: this match that Jessica is winning pretty comfortable at five 453 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: to two, but also she on Tech tonight against Samsonova. 454 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: She has a winning record against Samsonova, but when Samsonova 455 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: plays well, she can beat anybody. It wasn't Yaki against 456 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: hadaj Maaya, and we just saw Makova beat Paulini. But 457 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this section of the draw, Pemmy. 458 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, shion Tech won here two years ago, the 459 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: only major she's won outside of rolling Garros. I thought 460 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: her match against Pavlio Chenkova was her best yeat. I mean, 461 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 3: Shibahara was a qualifier that Sfiontech beat easily, but I 462 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: thought there was some stress, certainly in Fiontek's opening round, 463 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 3: but seems to be settling in a little bit more. 464 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: IgA was pretty outspoken about the demands of this summer 465 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty four for top players who also wanted 466 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 3: to play the Olympics. But now it seems like she's 467 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 3: got her teeth in it. I think she'll be a 468 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 3: little too consistent for sam Sonova. But if sam Sonova's 469 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 3: a game, the power game is on, that's the kind 470 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: of power that can up end Fiontech. So a little 471 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: bit of a chance. And Pagoula is really interesting to 472 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 3: me because she's had the block, the quarter final block, 473 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 3: her whole career lasts so many times in major. She 474 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: still has a bit of business to do to take 475 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: out the talented lefty. But when will Pagoula have, you know, 476 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 3: success getting the semis or the finances of a major. 477 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna happen here. But it made 478 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 3: as far as was Niaki the benefit of probably the 479 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: best draw on the tournament, it was Niyaki has the 480 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: experience and the consistency to make good for that opportunity. 481 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: Hadad maya lefty, I mean, that's kind of the best 482 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: part of the drave you could choose to be in it. 483 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: And I think that just to add to it with 484 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Hadaj Maya against w was Niaki, I think the lefty 485 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: that helps Caroline because she likes to serve. The serve's 486 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: going to go to her back end a lot more. 487 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: We know that was Niyaki's got one of the best 488 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: back ends of all time, so she'll appreciate that. And 489 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Handaj Maya they win the other night against Callen skuy 490 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: We have to talk about the var a little bit. 491 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: There was a bit of a mess up there. I 492 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: was confused about it all and how it went down. 493 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: Clearly they didn't give the umpire the best angle of 494 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: the video, just for people at home to understand what happened. 495 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: There certainly something that the USDA would have learned a 496 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: lot from in the us Open officials about how to 497 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: take your time, look at every single angle. If it 498 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: takes an extra minute, get that extra video up to 499 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: the umpire. But I also think I don't know about you, Pam, 500 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: but I don't think the umpire should be the one 501 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: making that decision. Do you think it should be done 502 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: in house where they're looking at it on a massive, 503 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: big television screen and getting all the angles. 504 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there needs to be a VAR 505 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: official that just tells the umpire here, we've looked at 506 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: all the angles, here's the decision. 507 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's like a red light green light on 508 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: the umpires year. 509 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 3: You know, you talk about the US Open and the 510 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 3: usta kind of learning some things and whether it's how 511 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 3: to manage var better next year. But I think one 512 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: of the big things I want is for something like 513 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: what happened last night. 514 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: I don't want matches. 515 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 3: I don't want matches to end at two fifteen anymore. 516 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 3: I think the fact that they start ash Labor Day weekend, 517 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: when the matches are getting more competitive, they're going to 518 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: be longer, they're going to be more five setters, four setters, 519 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: three setters on the women's side, to start at noon 520 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: instead of eleven o'clock. The way they start on Grandstand 521 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: and Armstrong and all the other courts is a huge mistake. 522 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 3: And seeing what the two of the last three nights 523 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: that we've had all time late finishes, late starts. That's 524 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: not something a brag about in our sport. It's something 525 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: for us all to problem solve it and to fix 526 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: because it's not good for athletes. Even the winner has 527 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: less of a chance to recover because they've finished at 528 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 3: two am. So it's got to change. 529 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Starting at eleven is the absolute minimum 530 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: that I think they can do. I mean, Francis, you know, 531 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: went full four something else. I mean, it's just you 532 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: can't predict, and women having to play off to the men, 533 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: knowing the men could possibly play four or five hols 534 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: is just not fair to the women. 535 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: It's just not I made a play when I found 536 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: out that the tentative schedule was for Donna to play 537 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: last on ASH the match again Jang after Tiaffo coppran 538 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: I made the record, asked that it be reconsidered, and 539 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 3: I understood that it was much greater than me being 540 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: able to switch it around. And I was told by 541 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: the USTA that they have this equal thing where one 542 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 3: night the women start on ASH and the next night 543 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 3: the men, and they flip flop, so it's quote unquote equal. 544 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: But guess what when it's three out of five sets 545 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: on the men's side, it's not equal. It's not equal 546 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: as far as time on the court exposure of men's tennis. 547 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 3: It puts the women at a great disadvantage when there's 548 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 3: a long men's match that's five sets versus a women's 549 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 3: match that's three sets, so it is not equal and 550 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: women should play first. 551 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: I agree. No, I agree, and we had it forever. 552 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: And of course, look, the guys do pay the penalty 553 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: sometimes because you know, if they do play five sets, 554 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: they are finishing at one or two o'clock in the morning. 555 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: And we've had that happen here at the US Open. 556 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: So I think the key is we got to figure 557 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: out a way to start a little bit earlier, get 558 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: the fans in and out. This is an enormous stadium. 559 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: It's difficult to get everyone out and get everyone in. 560 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: And we're talking twenty thousand spectators that come in. You 561 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: see it find us at ESPN when they're all just 562 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: standing there waiting to get into the into Arthur Ash Stadium. 563 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 3: They do need to manage the between the shifts. It 564 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 3: needs to be tightened up. They've got to somehow get 565 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 3: the power, the work power in to get the stadium 566 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: ready in like thirty to forty minutes. Yeah, not this 567 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: hour hour and twenty. 568 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're straight and open or it's a 569 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: smaller stadium. Obviously, I think it's a maximum of forty 570 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: five minutes I believe, to get everybody in and everybody 571 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: back out. But look, you know the popularity of tennis 572 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: is growing. We love that about our sport. We love 573 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: that people are willing to pay a lot of money 574 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: to come and watch the US Open. But if you 575 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: are going to come out, you get your little grounds 576 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: pass and get out to Armstrong Stadium because the matches 577 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: out there. You can sit with a grounds pass up 578 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: the tops. That court at Armstrong is probably the best 579 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: court in tennis. The atmosphere is awesome. There's four matches 580 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: on that court today and I think that's a day session, 581 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: I believe. So that's the place to go. You get four, wait, 582 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: four five matches on that call at one, two, three, 583 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: four matches on Armstrong, all incredible matches. Drapa and Mahatsha 584 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: playing there right now was Niyaki Hadaj Maya and then 585 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: Dimna and Thompson. The Aussie's a gonna round it up. 586 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: But anyway, listen, Pammy, thanks for joining me to do 587 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: this today. We are on an unbelievably long, tight schedule, 588 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: not on a lot of sleep, but God we love it, 589 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: do we? 590 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 591 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 3: And I just want to say, because I know I've 592 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 3: just suggested USTA make some major changes on things, but 593 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: I got to really admire how the USTA's kind of 594 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 3: led the way as far as having a major that 595 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 3: is not just about tennis. It's about the overall experience, 596 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: both food wise entertainment. It's a festival and it is 597 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 3: an event and an experience to go to, whether or 598 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: not you're a hardcore tennis fan or a curious experiential 599 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: person that wants to come to the US Open. I 600 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: also want to give them kudos. I always will for 601 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: the US Open that was played four years ago, the 602 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 3: first major played during a global pandemic. No fans, they 603 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: figured it out. Took a hit in the bottom line, 604 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 3: but anyway, we can still keep evolving and improving so 605 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 3: we have even a better product. 606 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: I agree. And another added extra for all you people 607 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: that do come out to the tennis if you're gonna 608 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: get a Honeyduce, get it as a double double the vodka. 609 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: It's much tastier. I think it's way too sweet. So 610 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: that's my little tidbit for all of you people, including Serena, 611 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: who had her first Honeydeuce apparently yesterday. It's nice to 612 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: see her on the grounds yesterday looking relaxed and may 613 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 1: I say, incredibly fit, to the point that I was like, 614 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: are you coming back? But anyway, it's been a great week, Pam. 615 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: We've enjoyed it. Thanks for joining me today, and everybody 616 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: enjoyed the second week of the US Open.