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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How goes it?

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Speaker 3: It goes excellent, it goes Yes, we got a really

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Speaker 3: busy show today, don't we.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Emily's going to be joining us.

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Speaker 2: She just was having like some boomer computer issues, so

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Speaker 2: we'll let her work that out.

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Speaker 5: She can.

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Speaker 4: She can jump on whenever she gets that figured out.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, we're all watching to see whether

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Speaker 2: we're going to be at war with Ron over the

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Speaker 2: weekend or next week, or what exactly is going on there.

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Speaker 2: Ryan's got some new reporting about how Democrats are approaching

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Speaker 2: all of this. And you know, I would say you'll

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Speaker 2: be disappointed, but I think actually people probably expect the

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Speaker 2: way that Democrats are by and large elected official democrats

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Speaker 2: or buy and large approaching the possibility of a major

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Speaker 2: war with Iran.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, nobody can be disappointed anymore. Yeah, you have to

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Speaker 6: have hopes and expectations to be disappointed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, good point, excellent, high hopes. We take a look

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Speaker 4: at that.

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Speaker 3: We got a Wall Street Journal article on that right here,

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Speaker 3: and I was breaking this morning. Trump weighs initial limited

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Speaker 3: strike to force Iran into nuclear deal. President Trump is

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Speaker 3: way an initial strike to force it to Me's demands,

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Speaker 3: a first step that would be designed to pressure Tehran

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Speaker 3: into an agreement, but fall short of a full scale

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Speaker 3: attack that inspire a major retaliation. The opening assault, if authorized,

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Speaker 3: could come within days, would target a few military or

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Speaker 3: government sites. People familiar with the matter said, if Iran

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Speaker 3: still refuse to comply with Trump's directive to end its

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Speaker 3: nuclear enrichment, the US would respond with a broad campaign

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Speaker 3: against regime facilities. So what do we make of this,

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Speaker 3: this deal making, you know, strike first, deal later?

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Speaker 2: Well, the and what's different about this reporting is prior

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Speaker 2: to this, we'd been Obviously, we can see all of

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Speaker 2: the military equipment that is being amassed in the region,

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Speaker 2: you know, the largest amount since the Iraq War, So

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Speaker 2: everyone can see that. A bunch of the leaks to

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Speaker 2: Barack Ravied and others were saying, hey, they're actually preparing

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Speaker 2: for this to be much larger than the Twelve Days War,

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Speaker 2: potentially weeks long engagement. Iran also is in a place

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Speaker 2: but not really that obviously didn't work because we're still

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Speaker 2: being threatened. So they're in a very different place in

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Speaker 2: terms of how they're tactically and strategically thinking about this.

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Speaker 2: And you know the problem with this, I mean outside

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Speaker 2: But the problem with this tactically too is if you

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Speaker 2: reality is the exact opposite. They're going to walk away

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Speaker 2: the way, if you hit them in any way, they're

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Speaker 2: hoping that attacks from the US are going to create

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Speaker 2: of the other plans, makes no sense, especially when I

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Speaker 6: Yes, exactly, And it's a miscalculation probably in the sense

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: They expect this to be the you know, emptying of

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Speaker 6: this point, just you know, empty the cabinet, fire everything.

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Speaker 2: See if we can raise to a nuke, I mean,

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, is think of it from

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Speaker 2: our perspective, like if someone attacked us, would that make

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Speaker 2: us more likely to have a diplomatic solution with them

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Speaker 2: to come to the negotiating table. No, of course not,

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Speaker 2: And especially when what they've already seen is that any

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Speaker 2: Just encourages more escalation and more aggressive, more aggressiveness on

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Speaker 2: what is that going to teach them? I mean Ryan

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Speaker 2: and I being parents, like this is very basic sort

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Speaker 2: of candy. The same logic applies here if the US

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Speaker 2: that behavior by capitulating to what are in demands in

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Speaker 2: terms of you know, the full like, not only are

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Speaker 2: you giving up the nuclear program, which Iron has long

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Speaker 2: to the table on that. But in addition, we want

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Speaker 2: resistance groups in the region. None of this is really

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Speaker 2: you want to be a sovereign nation, whatsoever. Otherwise you're

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Speaker 2: just a complete sitting duck. So in any case, if

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Speaker 2: you reward this war like behavior and give into any

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Speaker 2: encourage more attacks from the US and from Israel. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's how they're thinking about it. There's also

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Speaker 2: a piece in this I camera if it's in, I

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Speaker 2: don't think it's in this article. I think it's in

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Speaker 2: a Financial time support about the way that Aroan is

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Speaker 2: thinking about this. And they said that there were a

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Speaker 2: bunch of IERGC commanders who did not want to agree

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Speaker 2: to the cease fere from the Twelve Day War. And

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Speaker 2: whereas the Western press has painted the Twelve Day War

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Speaker 2: as just a stunning victory for the US and for Israel,

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Speaker 2: it's not seen that way internally and Iran. From their perspective,

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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, you hit us hard. You know, were

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Speaker 2: able to take down a lot of people, infrastructure, etc.

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Were the ones who came to us wanting a ceasefire.

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Speaker 2: And again to Ryan's points about you know, the moderates

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Speaker 2: versus the more hard line approach, the hardliner said we

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Speaker 2: We should extract some more pain and assert ourselves more

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Speaker 2: because otherwise they're just going to come back and attack

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Speaker 2: us again. And guess what, They've been completely vindicated. The

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Speaker 2: hardliners have been completely vindicated by the approach and by

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Speaker 6: Because they could argue right now, and I'm sure that

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Speaker 6: they are arguing internally. If you had listened to us

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Speaker 6: and you had hit Israel for another week, or another

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Speaker 6: two weeks or another three weeks, yeah, we would have

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Speaker 6: taken on more damage. But they were depleted, did they

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Speaker 6: caused them the kind of damage that they're not used to,

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Speaker 6: which would then give them, you know, second thoughts about

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Speaker 6: You know, you have to go further to get to Israel,

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Speaker 6: so that just gives us more opportunity to knock stuff

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Speaker 6: out of the air. But yeah, you're you're exactly right there,

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Speaker 6: they are saying, right now, we told you so, We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan, you want to talk about what you guys

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Speaker 4: Tell us about our opposition party. How are they doing?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, opposition party quotes. You may have noticed that other

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Speaker 6: next week, there's been very little said publicly by Democrats

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Speaker 6: You're not seeing much of that this time. So back

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Speaker 6: in June, and this is what we'll be reporting later

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Speaker 6: day over at dropsite. If you remember, Trump was kind

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Speaker 6: of fainting that there had been progress in the negotiations

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Speaker 6: and actually, you know what, we might not go ahead,

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Speaker 6: you know, and strike Iran. And Schumer came out with

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Speaker 6: his video mocking him as Taco Trump, and this coalition

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Speaker 6: letter saying, Schumer, what are you doing, Like are you

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Speaker 6: trying to taunt Trump into going to war? Like, don't

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Speaker 6: do this is not a game. Don't do Taco Trump

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Speaker 6: stuff right here, Like, give him a political off ramp,

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Speaker 6: give him the space that if he wants to do it,

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Speaker 6: diplomatic solution. Eat the taco, Enjoy the taco, Like this

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Speaker 6: is much better than killing like a thousand plus or

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Speaker 6: who knows how many you're going to end up killing.

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Speaker 6: It ends up being about twelve hundred people, but who knows,

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Speaker 6: it could have been a lot more. And so after

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Speaker 6: that letter was sent, there was then a call with

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Speaker 6: to Israel paid for by APAK. So this aid calls

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Speaker 2: Wow, And how deep does this support for this approach

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Speaker 7: Which is interesting, right, because that's different, Hi, everyone, That's

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Speaker 6: Not exactly, like a lot of these Democrats are happy

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Speaker 7: I think that's right, and I think there are two

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the goalposts just keep getting shifted. So yes, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you guys listened

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Speaker 7: Well, just speaking of the chess board, who else was

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Speaker 6: our own you know d o J, are sitting on

435
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Speaker 6: at least John Bolton's in box. God only knows. This

436
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 6: guy's been involved in every you know, piece of American

437
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 6: shenanigan for decades, like God only knows what's in there?

438
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 6: So and what else have they hacked, like like what

439
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 6: other they have claimed to have, you know, all manner

440
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 6: of like uh, information about the Israeli government, Israeli politicians,

441
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 6: Amerrick like so that that that's what they're alluding to.

442
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 6: They are also like a staggeringly kind of conservative country

443
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Speaker 6: when it comes to their what they do, Like if

444
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 6: you look at their kind of conservative responses that they've

445
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 6: had to the attacks every time that they had, they

446
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 6: seem to have had that Barack inbox for a very

447
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 6: long time before it was leaked if it was them

448
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 6: that had it. Interesting because like the time that it stops,

449
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 6: there's many years before then between the like last email

450
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Speaker 6: and when it finally gets you know, made public. So

451
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Speaker 6: why like, why don't we have another Like according to

452
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Speaker 6: the FBI, they have Bolton's inbox, Like, why have they

453
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 6: not released that? I don't know? Uh So, you know, well,

454
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 6: that's that seems to be what he's he's referring to there.

455
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Speaker 2: Imagine being Trump, being the president of the United States,

456
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Speaker 2: being in the Epstein files like a million times and

457
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: that we know of, and then knowing that Israel has

458
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: all of that information. And now Aron's like, let me

459
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: just level the playing field here and tell you that

460
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 2: we also have all of that information. So your move, boss.

461
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: Right when you started the.

462
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 7: Sentence with imagine being Trump, I was like, oh my gosh,

463
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 7: where is this going.

464
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 4: To really really for this?

465
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 8: Imagine being Trump.

466
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: Open up all night on True Social Run is on

467
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Speaker 2: his way to you.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why Emily was late. She was putting makeup

469
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Speaker 3: on her hands.

470
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Speaker 8: But I take a lot of hybiprofen. I take a

471
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Speaker 8: lot of.

472
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Speaker 5: The big ones.

473
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Speaker 2: I think it's isn't it tail and all? She wants

474
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Speaker 2: her blood nice and thin.

475
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Speaker 3: Well, if Iran or the IATLA have have any info,

476
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Speaker 3: Ryan at drop site news dot.

477
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Speaker 6: Com, I'm not soliciting. I am not soliciting any information

478
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 6: from any designated terrorist organizations whatsoever. To be very clear, that's.

479
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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe all start. Apparently I'm studying a new Aol

480
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: account and everyone can access it from there. On that note,

481
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: we do have more Epstein stuff happening. Les Wexner, the

482
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Speaker 3: Epstein associate billionaire, came in to testify. We've got a

483
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Speaker 3: few clips from that right here, including one Ryan wanted

484
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: to start with about a Roman embassy and an exchange

485
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Speaker 3: with his lawyer.

486
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Speaker 6: Let's take a listen.

487
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Speaker 8: What about pleasure vest.

488
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 9: I could be walking out with forks. See, that's a

489
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 9: good idea. We got to have an inventory, and there

490
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 9: was I hired a lady to be like the house

491
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Speaker 9: manager who would run the US embassy in Rome and said, yeah,

492
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Speaker 9: I know how to do this. And I said, I said, well,

493
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Speaker 9: why don't we keep inventories of stuff?

494
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 6: And she said, yeah, I could do that. So she

495
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Speaker 6: did that.

496
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Speaker 9: As that's kind of a puny example that I wouldn't

497
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Speaker 9: have had the idea. Then the things were inventory. That

498
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 9: wasn't work for me or Jeffrey. It was just regularly done.

499
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Speaker 3: And uh, for those just listening on the podcast, uh,

500
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: les Wexner's lawyer leans in and whispers in his ear,

501
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 3: I will fucking kill you if you answer another question

502
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: with more than five words.

503
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Speaker 4: I sort of appreciate.

504
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Wexner's response to that too, was just to laugh, Yeah, yeah,

505
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: you're probably right.

506
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, let this but let this man cook, so that

507
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 6: that part of it went viral. What a lot of

508
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 6: people didn't notice was what led into it. Let's let's

509
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 6: let's unpack that for a second. If you are somebody

510
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 6: who has even dipped your toes in the history of

511
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 6: the US post World War Two, or even ever seen

512
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 6: a Jason Bourne movie, like what does what happens when

513
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 6: you hear the words embassy in Rome? Like that is

514
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 6: the locusts of the CIA's operations when it comes to

515
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 6: working with organized crimes, all of its, all of US espionage.

516
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 6: That's that's where it projects power to the Middle East.

517
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 6: It's it's worked with terrorist organizations, it's worked with drug trafficking,

518
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 6: arms trafficking, like that embassy in Rome, that is the

519
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 6: hub of like all of it. That is like to

520
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 6: hear like alarm bells are going off in everybody's mind.

521
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 6: Who's like, here's the embassy of Rome? So Jeffrey, According

522
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 6: to Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein had the woman who ran the

523
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 6: logistics for the US Embassy in Rome, which is also

524
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 6: like this is the CIA's hub of its operations in

525
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Speaker 6: this entire region, and moved her to Wexner's mansion to

526
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Speaker 6: count his forks in nineves, to do an inventory of

527
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 6: his forks and knives.

528
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Speaker 8: I see nothing wrong with this.

529
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to get anybody feels like

530
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: the anti Italian bias to me, to be honest with you,

531
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Ryan the sole approach.

532
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 6: It's so like, try to think of who is doing

533
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 6: logistics and operations for the US Embassy in Rome, Like

534
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: this is somebody who is read in on the deepest

535
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 6: secrets of US espionage like that that's the person that

536
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 6: that Epstein suggested to Wexner run his operation. Yeah, as

537
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 6: he don't. As he's also as we reported, like moving

538
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 6: the CIA's southern transport planes, you know, to his operation

539
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 6: to transport his apparel around the world. Like they are.

540
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 6: It's like they're they're taunting us.

541
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Speaker 4: To be honest with you.

542
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Speaker 2: The fact that wex just sort of like naively lays

543
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: out this piece of information and has to have his

544
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: life threatened by his lawyer. It does give some credence

545
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: to his claims, like I'm just kind of an idiot

546
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: and a rube and very naive and I had no

547
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: idea what's what was going on here? Fully at least, either.

548
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 6: Either that or he's saying, if you keep pushing me,

549
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 6: you keep prosecuting me, I might accidentally reveal a lot more.

550
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: So you see it more as a potential, sort of

551
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Speaker 2: like an easter egg for people who are in the

552
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Speaker 2: know of Like these are the type of connections that

553
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Speaker 2: I have, just so you know, so I'm not just

554
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: this like it is a bumbling old man.

555
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Speaker 6: It was a woman who ran the embassy in Rome.

556
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 6: That's who. That's who we're working with. Yeah, that is

557
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 6: like very like only lightly veiled reference too.

558
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's that intellectual. I think this gives

559
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: like old man at the retirement home and the kids

560
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: are I mean to visit and he's telling them old stories,

561
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: Like I don't think he's that calculator anymore.

562
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: I mean, maybe maybe he is. Maybe I don't know.

563
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I wish she'd keep cooking. Why

564
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 6: we don't.

565
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was going to.

566
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 7: Say, yeah, it would just some of it might explain

567
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 7: why we never ever hear from Les Wexner and that,

568
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 7: like they're utterly terrified.

569
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 8: That he lacks discipline in legal settings.

570
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Speaker 6: He's a blabber.

571
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Speaker 4: I mean, how old is he at this point?

572
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's clearly in there with

573
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 2: his leather vest, like, let me tell you about the

574
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: old days with my buddy Jeff.

575
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: They're like, don't do that.

576
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Speaker 8: I just love the concept.

577
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 7: They're like, sir, you have to you're being deposed by Congress.

578
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 8: What would you like us to pack?

579
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 7: Bring me my finest pleather vest.

580
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that you clopped that as pleather

581
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: because I feel like that could actually be real.

582
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 8: Other it could, it could.

583
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 7: But I but we'll watch this one.

584
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Speaker 3: I think he killed I think he killed many animals

585
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: for that best. All right, let's take this one from

586
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: the Rothschilds.

587
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 9: Personal work for the Rothschild family in France. Well, specifically,

588
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 9: I talked to Elie de Rothschild and so I mentioned

589
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 9: that earlier. Uh so he represented their whole families. That

590
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 9: have been a whole bunch of people that, I mean

591
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 9: most of them. I never would have met a new la.

592
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Speaker 9: He would say, like, I'm providing financial advice to the

593
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Speaker 9: founders of Google. I'm financial providing financial advice to Jeff Bezos.

594
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: This is why I'm like this guy, are leaning in again.

595
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Speaker 7: It's like when Sager starts going off and Crystal just

596
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 7: has to do like a saga.

597
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 6: Crystal, you should Chrystal. We need like button that you

598
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 6: can press that says Sager. If you answer one more,

599
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 6: I will more than words.

600
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 8: I'm gonna kill you.

601
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

602
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: It's very The whole thing is very And again dropsite

603
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: has done some of the best reporting here because Wexner claimed,

604
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, oh, we cut off all contact at this

605
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: certain point, and then you got those you know, access

606
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: to those emails and lo and behold that was not true.

607
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: And by the way, the philanthropy that you know, Wexner's

608
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: family like philanthropy was being run almost completely entirely by

609
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was one of the largest funders of Zionist causes.

610
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: By the way, and long after the supposed contact is

611
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: cut off, they're still saying, hey, what did what does

612
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: Jeff think about this?

613
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: What does Jeff want to do with X and Y

614
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Speaker 4: and Z?

615
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: And the other thing that is very revealing in terms

616
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Speaker 2: of trying to figure out, Okay, was this just some

617
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: like really stupid rub of an old man who was

618
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: completely you know, bamboozled and had his money stolen by

619
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, which is the story he's he and his

620
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 2: lawyers are trying to put forward. Or is this someone

621
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Speaker 2: who knew what was going on. You also uncovered an

622
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Speaker 2: email from him to Epstein that said, you know, after

623
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Speaker 2: his conviction, that said, you violated your your one rule,

624
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: always be careful, and Epstein replies to him, you know,

625
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: still there's no excuse. So that would end, you know,

626
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Speaker 2: I mean, that would seem to suggest that he had

627
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: some knowledge of Epstein's doings, not to mention the fact that,

628
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: like when you look at the birthday book, when you

629
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: look at the way he converses with effectively everyone in

630
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Speaker 2: his social circle, like they're constantly talking about his lifestyle

631
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Speaker 2: and girls and sex and you know, guydecologists and torture and.

632
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Speaker 4: All kinds of crazy shit.

633
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Speaker 2: So it certainly gives the impression of if you knew

634
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: this guy, you knew something of what he was all about.

635
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and he knew says the eighties, like,

636
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 6: there's what we're learning, like, you know, a much longer

637
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 6: relationship than we understood and all. So it's another wonderful

638
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 6: Easter egg for him to throw out saying that he

639
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 6: was working that Epstein was working with this Swiss bank

640
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 6: in the mid eighties, and these kinds of Swiss banks

641
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 6: were at the nexus of the Iran contra money laundering

642
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 6: and money movement operations. They were moving that money from

643
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 6: one bank to another something like I don't know, Emily,

644
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 6: you might remember from you've read Ari Ben Manascha's book

645
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 6: more recently, but every like ninety days or something, they

646
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 6: were moving huge amounts of money from one like from

647
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 6: these thirty banks to another thirty banks and other thirty banks.

648
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 6: And so the people involved with that got familiar with

649
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 6: the shady end of European banking, which might even have

650
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 6: been even shadier in the eighties than it is than

651
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Speaker 6: it is now that it's with the electronic records, it

652
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Speaker 6: is a little little bit trickier to move things around

653
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Speaker 6: than just with paper and pencil and bags of cash.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, so so connecting Epstein to this Swiss Rothschilds

655
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Speaker 6: Bank as far back as the mid eighties gives more

656
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Speaker 6: grist for the the the idea that he really did

657
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Speaker 6: get his connections to both intelligence and wealth through the

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Speaker 6: really epic change era changing around Contra scandal, and.

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Speaker 2: Didn't Wexner am I remembering this right? Doesn't he end

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Speaker 2: up with the some Iran Contra planes?

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Speaker 6: Mm hmm, yep, yep. So after after the after the

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Speaker 6: heat comes on to the CIA's airline that was shipping

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Speaker 6: the planes and the drugs in the in the nineteen nineties,

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Speaker 6: the thing files for bankruptcy and sells half of its

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Speaker 6: planes to like, I think some Angola company, and then

666
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Speaker 6: the other half get moved to Columbus, Ohio by Epstein

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Speaker 6: to work for Westerners.

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Speaker 7: The Victoria's secret around the country.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he already has I think maybe he only owned

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Speaker 6: Abercromm and Fitch at that point, but the limited brands

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Speaker 6: for sure, and which was already being managed apparently by

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Speaker 6: you know, the CIA's top logician out of the Rome Embassy.

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Speaker 6: Like ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And we have a little bit of sound on those

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Speaker 3: fashion shows in particular, let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: I would go to some of the Victoria's Secret fashion shows.

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Speaker 9: It was very important to the brand.

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Speaker 6: It's some of the very important to the brand.

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Speaker 9: Trump was there, and I remember because Trump would always

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Speaker 9: introduce himself to me. I always thought it was kind

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Speaker 9: of odd that he was a fashion show because he

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Speaker 9: had definitely dig you with the fashion.

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Speaker 5: Hmm.

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Speaker 3: So is that another veiled threat that he's gonna that

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Speaker 3: he's got more to say or or what how do we.

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Speaker 6: Feel about the fashion show comments here?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it could certainly be read through either lens.

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Speaker 2: Just an old man remembering things that he remembers and

689
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Speaker 2: sort of enthusiastic about having the opportunity to share them.

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Speaker 2: If that's that vibe of like, you know, yes, your

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Speaker 2: dad or your grandpa at the dinner table, like finally

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Speaker 2: I've got a captive audience. Let me tell you about

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Speaker 2: wheety three. Yeah, yeah, someone asked me a question. They're

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Speaker 2: engaging with me. I've got things I want to say. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it has that energy. But then, I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: view it through Ryan's theory of you know, he's mentioning

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Speaker 2: these little nuggets, none of which is conclusive, but just

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Speaker 2: to kind of indicate, like listen, if you take too

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Speaker 2: hard align with me, there are things, you know, I

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Speaker 2: have levers I can pull here. This would certainly fit

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Speaker 2: into that, you know, into that theory as well well.

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Speaker 7: And the Victoria's secret element is not unimportant because the

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Speaker 7: Wall Street Journal has a great like TikTok of what

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Speaker 7: went on was Jean Luke Burnell, and there's a lot

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Speaker 7: more depth. I mean, it's it's probably like a two

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Speaker 7: thousand word story or something, but there's a lot more

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Speaker 7: depth on their John Luke Bernel saff Actually Crystal has

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Speaker 7: been like in on that stuff for a long time,

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Speaker 7: but it's the You can see how the Victoria's secret

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Speaker 7: partnership or the partnership with Wexner who oversees Victoria's secret,

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Speaker 7: would have been important to Epstein. You can see where

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Speaker 7: that becomes interesting that Trump is at the fashion shows when,

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Speaker 7: as Wester says, he didn't really have anything to do

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Speaker 7: with fashion, which is just cutting, unintentional and just absolutely cutting.

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Speaker 7: But what they were, what they were doing very clearly

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Speaker 7: was using modeling agencies, and the Journal, I mean, I

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Speaker 7: think it's it's conclusive at this point. You can see

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Speaker 7: in emails, but the Journal pretty much clearly connects the

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Speaker 7: dots that they were using John Ley Bernell and Epstein,

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Speaker 7: we're using modeling agencies to recruit women to come to

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Speaker 7: the United States. And basically work as mistresses. There's an

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Speaker 7: email where one of them says, you know, she's reminiscing

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Speaker 7: and Epstein. She's getting into a tussle with him, but

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Speaker 7: reminiscing and says, you know, when I look back on it,

725
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Speaker 7: mistress was the only job proposition that you were ever

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Speaker 7: serious about having my pictures taken with Bill Gates and

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Speaker 7: woodyel And it's nice, but it's not going to help

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Speaker 7: me get a job. And so that really puts it,

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Speaker 7: I think, in that's a pretty good picture of what

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Speaker 7: was happening. It's one example, but that's a pretty good

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Speaker 7: example of what was happening across the board. So Wexner

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Speaker 7: the question then for me, and I don't know if

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Speaker 7: Ryan or anyone else has thoughts on this Chicken her egg?

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Speaker 7: Is Wexner CIA and then Victoria's secret or is he

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Speaker 7: Victoria's secret and then CIA or another intell agency.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a useful You could imagine him being, you know,

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Speaker 6: a useful figure in many respects. You know, he's moving

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Speaker 6: vast amounts of material around the world, you know, from

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Speaker 6: a you know, particularly from from Asia, but elsewhere, you know,

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Speaker 6: in and out of the United States. Yeah, yeah, I don't,

741
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Speaker 6: I don't know. He's also one of the largest funders

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Speaker 6: of pro Israel nonprofits here in the US and helping

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Speaker 6: to helping to organize support for Israel at a and

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Speaker 6: at a very extreme level like this, like the guy

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Speaker 6: that's doing you know, maybe the top three of pro

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Speaker 6: Israel donors over the last like forty years.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's also a lot of that seemingly directed by

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Speaker 2: Epstein too, literally, And.

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Speaker 7: And it's also this is Cold War right after the

750
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Speaker 7: Cold War, and John Leck, Burnell Epstein are and it

751
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Speaker 7: goes into the last like ten years before they died.

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Speaker 7: But they're bringing a lot of Eastern European women over

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Speaker 7: and so that's with Wexner having Victoria's Secret models, like

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Speaker 7: you have like international group of hot women moving around

755
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Speaker 7: the world. You can see how that also can come

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Speaker 7: into potential intel capacity as well.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Well, and we know Epstein used his connection with Victoria's Secret.

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Speaker 2: You know, when he was personally approached, he was, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm close to Theaomi Campbell, I'm you know, I'm he

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Speaker 2: would hold himself down as an actual representative of Victoria's

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Speaker 2: Secret to try to you know, cultivate young women potentially

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Speaker 2: girls around the world. And so Wexner that's why this

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Speaker 2: guy is so important. I mean, people watch the show

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Speaker 2: probably already know this. But not only does he have

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Speaker 2: all of this money and hands over power of attorney

767
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Speaker 2: to Jeffrey Epstein. You know, this is the first place

768
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Speaker 2: where you can really, you know, sink your teeth into Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is where Epstein got a lot of funds from

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Speaker 2: from this Wexner character. And then he has also the

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Speaker 2: you know, the modeling angle with Victoria's secret, and then

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Speaker 2: there's all these you know, the Rome embassy and all

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Speaker 2: and the Iran planes and all of these things that

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Speaker 2: are very eyebrow raising about what other connections he may

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Speaker 2: have had.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, we've got a guest waiting in the

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Speaker 3: lobby here. Why don't we let her in and see

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Speaker 3: what's going on with her?

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, so we're very excited to have another

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Speaker 2: candidate joining us this morning. So this is Julie Gonzalez.

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Speaker 2: She's the state senator in Colorado and she is challenging

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Speaker 2: Colorado Democratic Senator John Hickenlooper in the Democratic primary.

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Speaker 4: Welcome State Center. Julie Gonzale is great to have you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for the opportunity. Great to be

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Speaker 5: here with you'all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, So just tell us why you decided

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Speaker 2: to jump into this race.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think, like a lot of Colorado's and a

789
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Speaker 5: lot of Americans, that we are sick and tired of

790
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 5: go along to get along politics. And what I mean

791
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Speaker 5: by that is our Democrats who are telling us, oh,

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Speaker 5: if only there was something that we could do in

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Speaker 5: the midst of our dissentant of fascism, and then at

794
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Speaker 5: the same time going and voting for those very Trump nominees.

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Speaker 5: John Hickenlooper has always been a centrist incrementalist and has

796
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Speaker 5: voted for not one, not two, but ten different Trump

797
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Speaker 5: nominees in the midst of the second Trump administration, y'all,

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Speaker 5: make it make sense. At the same time, in the

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Speaker 5: Colorado Legislature, we have been doing the work in order

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Speaker 5: to protect Colorado's whether that's defending and advancing reproductive freedom,

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Speaker 5: passing the Colorado Voting Rights Act, and ensuring that when

802
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Speaker 5: ice agents trample on our constitution that there are remedies

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Speaker 5: and penalties in place. And so we have done the work,

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Speaker 5: and yet those victories end at the state line. When

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Speaker 5: we don't also have a fighter in Washington, DC fighting

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Speaker 5: for those same values. And the real question is, yes,

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Speaker 5: we do absolutely need to go and flip red seats

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Speaker 5: blue to build a governing majority. And at the same time,

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Speaker 5: we've got to really start asking ourselves as the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 5: let's look at the caliber of leaders that we're sending

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Speaker 5: to DC from the safe, safe blue states. And that's

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Speaker 5: why I'm stepping up to run.

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Speaker 2: Give people a little bit of a sense of your

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Speaker 2: background before you were state center or the work that

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Speaker 2: you probably still continue to do. What is your background,

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Speaker 2: what brought you to politics to start with?

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Speaker 5: Certainly my family goes back in Colorado generations. We are

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Speaker 5: the types of Chicunos down in southern Colorado northern New

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Speaker 5: Mexico who we didn't cross the border. The border acrossed us.

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Speaker 5: And when I went to Yale, went to Yale for

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Speaker 5: my undergraduate degree, I learned there about power that if

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Speaker 5: you don't have institutional power, if you don't I don't

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Speaker 5: have a bajillion dollar endowment or tremendous access to wealth.

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Speaker 5: The wave that you earn concrete wins is by organizing people.

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Speaker 5: And so I've done that work since I graduated college

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Speaker 5: in two thousand and five. I've been in Colorado organizing

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Speaker 5: on affordable housing, educational justice, and immigrant rights. When Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump came down that golden escalator down in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 5: those of us who had been in the immigrant rights

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Speaker 5: movement knew that his candidacy was viable. And even when

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Speaker 5: a lot of our establishment Democrat colleagues were saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: don't worry, there's nothing to see here, we got involved

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Speaker 5: in organized and after he won in twenty sixteen, I

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Speaker 5: then stepped up and was part of that blue wave

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Speaker 5: during that first midterm election that achieved a Democratic trifecta

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Speaker 5: here in our state legislature. I've been proud of the

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Speaker 5: work that we've been able to accomplish.

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Speaker 2: Since obviously you come from the immigrant rights advocacy issue

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Speaker 2: near and dear to your heart. You know there's a

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Speaker 2: national debate on the Democratic side about what the future

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Speaker 2: of ICE should be. You know, are you in the

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Speaker 2: reform camp or are you in the abolished camp?

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Speaker 5: Look, I actually when my family was when I was

844
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Speaker 5: growing up, my dad managed ranches, and when I was

845
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Speaker 5: ten years old, my dad got a job managing a

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Speaker 5: ranch in Deep Deep South Texas, and so we moved

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Speaker 5: there in the summer of ninety three, and in the

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Speaker 5: summer of ninety four, I'm sorry, in January of nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety four, NAFTA was enacted, and so middle school me

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Speaker 5: actually witnessed the real beginnings of the militarization of the

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Speaker 5: US Mexico border growing up down in deep South Texas.

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Speaker 5: I've now seen I went to my very first Dream

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Speaker 5: Act rally in August of two thousand and one, and

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Speaker 5: the Dream Act is now old enough to get a beer,

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Speaker 5: and we still haven't passed it. And ICE is younger

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Speaker 5: than the Dream Act. So for those who say, oh, no,

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Speaker 5: let's just go and reform ICE, let's just go and

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Speaker 5: add some additional training and body camps. No, I've seen

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Speaker 5: it firsthand. I've seen what border enforcement look like before

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Speaker 5: the militarization and the fear mongering of the creation of

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Speaker 5: immigration and Customs enforcement. And I stand firmly in the

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Speaker 5: abolish ICE camp in order to replace it with a

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Speaker 5: system that provides an actual legal pathway to citizenship, that

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Speaker 5: restores do process, that treats everybody with dignity and respect,

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Speaker 5: doesn't ask babies and three year olds to represent themselves

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Speaker 5: in immigration proceedings. Let's ensure that everybody has access to

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Speaker 5: legal counsel so that they can navigate this incredibly important system.

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Speaker 5: Let's make sure that there's enough judges and immigration adjudicators

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Speaker 5: to be able to not have people waiting around for

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Speaker 5: twenty years to try to have their application reviewed. But

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Speaker 5: right now, our immigration system is broken, and too many Democrats,

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Speaker 5: for far too long have gone and played political football

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Speaker 5: with people's lives. And that's on both the Democratic side

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Speaker 5: and the Republican side.

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Speaker 7: I was going to pick up on one of those

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Speaker 7: points too. You mentioned due process. Colorado is one of

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Speaker 7: the places for all of the nonsense that's been spewed

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Speaker 7: about trendy Iragua that actually really did have a serious

879
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Speaker 7: situation with trendy a Raga. I think it was an Aurora,

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Speaker 7: and President Trump picked up on all of that. So

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Speaker 7: I imagine, you know, even Democratic Coloraden's were upset with

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Speaker 7: some of what was happening. So I imagine voters will want

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Speaker 7: to hear you talk about what the if ICE has

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Speaker 7: gone or if there's no cooperation with ICE, what does

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Speaker 7: an orderly law enforcement system look like for people who

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Speaker 7: are taking advantage of the country's immigration laws.

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Speaker 8: How would you answer that question?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. Look, we have always wanted to ensure that in

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Speaker 5: a moment of crisis that you are able anybody, whether

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Speaker 5: you are I don't care where you were born or

891
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Speaker 5: how long you've been here, that in a moment of crisis,

892
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Speaker 5: that you can feel safe to call nine to one

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Speaker 5: one and.

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Speaker 6: Ask for help.

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Speaker 5: But what we've seen is when local law enforcement is

896
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Speaker 5: also doing ICE's job for them, that fear prevents entire

897
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Speaker 5: segments of community who are either immigrants, or live in

898
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Speaker 5: mixed status families or have mic status neighbors. They then

899
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Speaker 5: don't have that trust in local law enforcement. And so

900
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Speaker 5: we've seen what happens when ICE is doing it is

901
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Speaker 5: not even following the law that local law enforcement abides by. Right,

902
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Speaker 5: They're roving and causing panic and fear, not only for

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Speaker 5: immigrants but for US citizens as well. Right. And so look,

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Speaker 5: I'm proud of the work that in Colorado we have

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Speaker 5: done to say ICE, go get a warrant. ICE, don't

906
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Speaker 5: come at me with a wanna be warrant something that

907
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Speaker 5: is signed by a supervisor. Go actually and follow the

908
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Speaker 5: due process that every other law enforcement agency in the

909
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Speaker 5: United States has to abide by, which is judicial review.

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Speaker 5: Go talk to a lawyer, go get a warrant, and

911
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Speaker 5: then absolutely we will comply with said judicial orders. But

912
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Speaker 5: what we have seen take place is fear mongering and

913
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Speaker 5: scapegoating of communities against one another. The whole trenda AWA

914
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Speaker 5: situation that took place in Aurora was put forward as

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Speaker 5: a red herring by a slum lord who actually owed

916
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Speaker 5: a whole bunch of was involved in a whole series

917
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Speaker 5: of legal problems in Aurora, and those fear mongering local

918
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Speaker 5: elected city council members in Aurora were just booted out

919
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 5: in this last November's election. You know, Donald Trump's entire

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Speaker 5: mass deportation effort, he named Operation Aurora after our community

921
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Speaker 5: here in Colorado. But those local elected officials who were

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Speaker 5: a part of building that that false narrative, we're all

923
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Speaker 5: booted out in a suite this past November, which I

924
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Speaker 5: think really demonstrates the extent to which Colorado's are sick

925
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 5: and tired of the fear mongering. They actually just want

926
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Speaker 5: to be safe, and Donald Trump and his mass deportation

927
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Speaker 5: agenda ain't achieved in safety at all.

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Speaker 6: I'm also curious it's what it's like in today's media

929
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Speaker 6: environment to try to go from the state legislature to

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Speaker 6: the Senate, Like how how are you going about getting

931
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Speaker 6: your message out? Hick and Looper obviously has huge name

932
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Speaker 6: ID across the state, and he's got good relationships with

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Speaker 6: all of the local TV stations, the I'm sure the

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Speaker 6: Denver Post or whatever else, like, but where do voters,

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Speaker 6: particularly ones who vote in the primary, Like where are

936
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Speaker 6: they getting their information? And how are you how are

937
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Speaker 6: you reaching them? And have you found how's how's the

938
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Speaker 6: fund isn't going in order to reach them? Going?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, it's been very fascinating, I would say,

940
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Speaker 5: in this moment, the disconnect between the establishment and the base,

941
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Speaker 5: and we have some real soul searching to do, as

942
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Speaker 5: you know, i'd say, loosely, Team Blue. We've got to

943
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Speaker 5: decide whether or not we are going to continue to

944
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Speaker 5: be beholden to the corporate interests and the corporate lobbyists

945
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Speaker 5: who say, ooh, not too much, ooh, can't do that. Hmm,

946
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Speaker 5: if only there was something we could do. Turns out, actually,

947
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Speaker 5: we can have nice things if we're willing to fight

948
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Speaker 5: for them.

949
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Speaker 8: And what we have seen in the.

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Speaker 5: In the wake of Donald Trump's second election has been

951
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Speaker 5: an incredible grassroots movement that has been energized and activated

952
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Speaker 5: to stand up to say no Kings in this country. Dems,

953
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Speaker 5: do your job, and let's go and build the governing

954
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Speaker 5: majority that will defeat this MAGA extremism once and for all. Look,

955
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Speaker 5: I'm not handpicked by Chuck Schumer. It's fine. I wasn't

956
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Speaker 5: voluntold to step up and run for this seat. But

957
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Speaker 5: I stepped up after seeing not only those election victories

958
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Speaker 5: in Aurora and in school boards and city councils across

959
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Speaker 5: the state booting out mag extremists who are trying to

960
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Speaker 5: ban books instead of opening libraries and better funding our

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Speaker 5: local schools. And there is a real energy in our

962
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Speaker 5: state to actually elect someone who is willing to stand

963
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Speaker 5: on the values of ensuring that we are fighting for

964
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Speaker 5: an economy that works for everyday people and not just

965
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Speaker 5: for the billionaire. And so, look, I'm not going to

966
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Speaker 5: outraise John Hickenlooper. That's never been the goal. We're always

967
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Speaker 5: going to do the work to outwork him and out

968
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Speaker 5: organize him.

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Speaker 3: So, Julie, you mentioned Chuck Schumer. We reported on a

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Speaker 3: New York Times focus group this week where a lot

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Speaker 3: of voters were talking about wanting a progressive instead of

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Speaker 3: a moderate. They called the party weak, paralyzed, useless. Where

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Speaker 3: do you fit in that dem tea party? Do you

974
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Speaker 3: believe that Chuck Schumer and a Kim Jeffries should step

975
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Speaker 3: down or not be in leadership of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: Look, Chuck Schumer would not earn my vote for Democratic

977
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Speaker 5: leader of the US Senate Democratic Caucus. I think that also,

978
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Speaker 5: given Senator Klobachar's shift to run for governor and Senator

979
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Speaker 5: Durbin's retirement, that there's a real opportunity for an entire

980
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 5: new generation of Senate Democratic leadership. And I think that

981
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 5: it is time for us to think differently about how

982
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 5: we go and organize our base. You don't negotiate with bullies,

983
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 5: you don't. You don't. You don't negotiate with terrorists.

984
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Speaker 8: You don't give into bullies.

985
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Speaker 5: And so how we stand strong on our values in

986
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 5: this moment absolutely matters. And so I'm a known for

987
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Speaker 5: Chuck Schumer, and it's probably why so much of his

988
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 5: incumbent protection program is being deployed at this moment on

989
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 5: Senator Hickenlooper's behalf. That's fine. I'm proud of the work

990
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Speaker 5: that we are doing to earn the endorsements of Indivisible Colorado,

991
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 5: of SCIU, the Working Families Party, and the Sunrise Hub

992
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 5: here in Denver. And look, that momentum is indicative of

993
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 5: the faith and excitement that Colorado's have to actually send

994
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 5: someone to DC who's been battle tested, who has already

995
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Speaker 5: done the work to move policies that often were seen

996
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Speaker 5: as impossible on immigrant rights, on reproductive freedom, on voting rights,

997
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Speaker 5: and move those into getting signed into law and then

998
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Speaker 5: being implemented. That's how I've shown up. And I'll just

999
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: say one last thing here. Colorado is one of four

1000
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Speaker 5: states that has never elected a woman to serve either

1001
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Speaker 5: as governor or to serve in the US Senate, the

1002
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 5: other three states being Pennsylvania, Idaho, and Indiana. And with

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00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 5: Colorado being a Democratic trifecta and a long standing champion

1004
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Speaker 5: for gender equality, I think it's.

1005
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Speaker 2: Time I have a few like lightning round, yes or

1006
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Speaker 2: no questions for you, and we want to be respectful

1007
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Speaker 2: of your time. Okay, So first one, I think you'll

1008
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: find all of these easy. But we'll see a pack

1009
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Speaker 2: funding yes or no, no, corporate pack funding yes or no, nope,

1010
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: tax the billionaires, Yes or no?

1011
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1012
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: And last one, do you support Bernie Sanders' legislation to

1013
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: pause data center construction for AI?

1014
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1015
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: All right, Well, anybody else got another cue? Or should

1016
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 2: we let Senator Gonzalez get back to her busy day.

1017
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Speaker 4: I'm sure. Actually it's pretty early there, is it?

1018
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 5: None?

1019
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 4: Is it not?

1020
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

1021
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 5: It's eight in the morning over here.

1022
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Speaker 2: Well. One of the things that I think is very

1023
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: interesting about your race is and Ryan could probably speak

1024
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: to this better than me, but it seems to me

1025
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: that Colorado, it's not that long ago Colorado was a

1026
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: swing state. It's obviously become a you know, a very

1027
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: solidly democratic state, and yet you still have quite conservative

1028
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: democratic leadership between Hick and Looper Bennett and then Governor Paul.

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Speaker 2: There seems to me to be a big disconnect between

1030
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Speaker 2: where the base of the party in Colorado is and

1031
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,479
Speaker 2: the leadership that they're representing, which is why I find

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Speaker 2: your race, you know, a particularly interesting one to watch.

1033
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: So let people know where they can follow you and

1034
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: support you if they're so inclined.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Look, what is clear in this moment is that

1036
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 5: no one is coming to save us but us, and

1037
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 5: that we are the ones that we have been waiting for.

1038
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 5: And so if you're sick and tired of having to

1039
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 5: vote for someone who doesn't align with your values, that's

1040
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 5: why primaries matter. And the Republican Party in this state

1041
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 5: is trying to right now out extreme their themselves, moving

1042
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 5: further and further and further to the right. And so

1043
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 5: the question really now in this moment is who do

1044
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 5: you want to control your life? Do you want this

1045
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 5: insurance executives, the ice thugs, do you want the corporate

1046
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 5: lobbyists to control your lives? Or do you want people

1047
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 5: to have been listening to the people who too often

1048
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 5: have been either taken for granted or forgotten altogether by

1049
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 5: people in power actually making decisions. That's how I show

1050
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 5: up to this work and it's why I believe that

1051
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 5: we will win in Colorado. In order to get involved

1052
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 5: with the campaign, hit us up on social media. I

1053
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 5: met Sandaldora Julie on all of the socials and currently

1054
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: the only Latina in the state Senate here in Colorado.

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 5: If elected to the US Senate, I'd increase the number

1056
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Speaker 5: of Latinas in the US Senate by one hundred percent.

1057
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Speaker 5: The first and only Latina ever to serve Catherine Corticus

1058
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 5: Maasto Auta, Nevada. Right, and so in these times we

1059
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 5: can have nice if we're willing to fight for them.

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Speaker 5: Hit me up at Julie for Colorado dot com in

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Speaker 5: order to learn more about the campaign and get involved.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Julie, and we'll leave a link

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Speaker 3: in the description of the video.

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Speaker 6: Have a great day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that was Julie Gonzalez in Colorado. I forgot to

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Speaker 3: add my lightning round question our aliens reel in honor

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Speaker 3: of the Obama interview, but.

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Speaker 4: I thought about making that joke.

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Speaker 6: We'll leave that one alone after she has access. That's right,

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Speaker 6: that's true. The state legislators, no, no, no, beginuse.

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Speaker 7: But then you got to be very careful about revealing

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Speaker 7: classified information according to prison and Trump.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, yeah, do we have that?

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Speaker 4: Are we talking about that in the premium.

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Speaker 3: We're hiding all the classified info behind the premium paywall here.

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Speaker 3: So if you want to see that and more Breakingpoints

1077
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Speaker 3: dot com to see the full Friday shows, you can

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