Speaker 1: Meeting. Hi, welcome to the It Girl Podcast. Hi, thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited to have you. Do you want to introduce
Speaker 1: yourself to the people?
Speaker 2: I'm vet Hi, come on, oh, and thank you for
Speaker 2: saying that. And I'm a comedian.
Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah? It sud enough, no, perfect stand up.
Speaker 3: She's a stand up comedian. She's on the internet, she's
Speaker 3: doing all the things.
Speaker 2: I'm all over your internet. You're if you score far enough,
Speaker 2: you'll see me.
Speaker 3: You're so fun and I love you and you're my friend,
Speaker 3: which is so I'm so excited to have you acal
Speaker 3: and beautiful and pure, and I'm honored to have you
Speaker 3: here today. So I want to talk to you about
Speaker 3: being a female comedian because you basically have the job
Speaker 3: I'm most scared of in the entire world.
Speaker 1: And I think that's amazing.
Speaker 3: And I love that you do stand up in New
Speaker 3: York City.
Speaker 1: That is the most ballsy, badass, it girl thing I
Speaker 1: could ever imagine.
Speaker 3: That. It like, literally, when I have a nightmare at night,
Speaker 3: it's me standing on a stage and people looking at me.
Speaker 3: What did you do before you became a full time comedian?
Speaker 1: I worked in tech. Oh yeah, can you believe it?
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine that. I guess it.
Speaker 2: Well. I always sort of built my life having like
Speaker 2: a day job and then like doing my craft, and
Speaker 2: like I studied acting, like I wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 2: and then I like graduated college and like moved to
Speaker 2: New York and I was like, oh, that's not a
Speaker 2: that doesn't exist, and like I wanted to do Shakespeare too.
Speaker 2: Oh so I'm like literally a classically trained actor. And
Speaker 2: what I love about Shakespeare is that it's so over
Speaker 2: the top and like the language is crazy, and like
Speaker 2: the themes are really amazing, and.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, I just I just love that stuff.
Speaker 2: And then I realized that that's not a real job
Speaker 2: and you can't actually just do that.
Speaker 3: So then I deserve to perform Shakespeare all day every
Speaker 3: day for money and thinks so sad that that's.
Speaker 2: Didn't happen, but no one really wants to see that.
Speaker 2: I don't but right exactly, And so I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: there's like a way to do it. I'm sure I
Speaker 2: could do it, but I don't know. I was just
Speaker 2: kind of like looking and I was like, actually, I
Speaker 2: kind of fell into stand up.
Speaker 1: Actually, what was the question? Oh I did I did TECH?
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what I wanted to know.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted to know your journey of like
Speaker 3: what were you doing and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: one day you're standing on a stage performing comedy for people.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, So after COVID, I was I wanted to
Speaker 2: do sketch comedy and then because that's what I did
Speaker 2: in college too, and I was like doing UCB.
Speaker 1: COVID happened, wiped everything out.
Speaker 2: All that was left was stand up, and so I
Speaker 2: was like working my day job and then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me try and do stand up at night.
Speaker 1: And then I got fired from my job.
Speaker 2: Two years in when I started like posting on the
Speaker 2: internet and like blowing out consistently. Actually know, two weeks
Speaker 2: after my first like really viral video that I was
Speaker 2: like figured out my formula kind of, then I got
Speaker 2: fired and so then I was like, oh, I guess
Speaker 2: I'm a full time comedian.
Speaker 1: Now I have to make this work.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I mean I always I never was
Speaker 2: gonna do TECH. That was never like the thing. I
Speaker 2: was just like, Oh, this is good because it's like
Speaker 2: a salary and it like I have flexible hours and
Speaker 2: it was like a hybrid sort of like schedule, so
Speaker 2: I could like be at home sometimes, go in the
Speaker 2: office sometimes. But I was definitely like taking advantage of that.
Speaker 3: I love that you're I did not know this about you,
Speaker 3: that you're a classically trained actress who wanted to do Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: This is amazing.
Speaker 3: I didn't know you were like a Jeremy Irons vibe.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't have been like who I would have said,
Speaker 3: So that's amazing.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was just like my Yeah, that
Speaker 2: was sort of my launch pad. I like did Shakespeare
Speaker 2: in high school.
Speaker 1: And this is amazing. They should have put you in Hamnet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was booking Hamnet. Why didn't you put me?
Speaker 3: You should have been I don't remember that. I should
Speaker 3: have been Paul mescal you should have been.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: What personality trait do you have that you think would
Speaker 3: be a red flag in any other career?
Speaker 1: I say everything. Did this help you in tech? Probably not?
Speaker 1: Probably not. I couldn't keep a thing to myself.
Speaker 2: I was like literally I was like riffing in meetings
Speaker 2: with the CEO.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, one time, this is so bad.
Speaker 2: I like was talking with the CFO of the company
Speaker 2: because it was like a smaller ish.
Speaker 1: Tech I mean it was like a big it was
Speaker 1: big enough, but it.
Speaker 2: Was like small enough that like you like working on
Speaker 2: the same floor with like the CFO, and there was
Speaker 2: like a happy hour. And the CFO was this like
Speaker 2: scary woman who I was like obsessed with. But she
Speaker 2: was just like very intense and very.
Speaker 3: Powerful CFO female and tech love that kind of amazing
Speaker 3: like and she was also with homes.
Speaker 1: She was French.
Speaker 2: Oh, so she had this like very like blunt way
Speaker 2: about her, like she would look at you and be
Speaker 2: like what does that mean? In a way that I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, that's so cool because I feel people
Speaker 2: always pretend that they know what everyone's talking about. And
Speaker 2: she would be like, you didn't explain that well enough,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And she would like make
Speaker 2: you like really, And I was like, wait, okay, bitch, goals.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love her. I need to get her on here.
Speaker 2: So we were and she also had a sense of humor,
Speaker 2: but in a way that I couldn't read exactly, like
Speaker 2: we're dry.
Speaker 1: So we were like talking ones and I was like.
Speaker 2: We were talking about IPO in because I was like
Speaker 2: the whole thing with a tech startup and I.
Speaker 1: Literally know what is an IPO. That's amazing to see.
Speaker 2: She goes, uh, I do want to talk to you
Speaker 2: about this, but I don't know. I have a time
Speaker 2: right now, like I have to go to call. But
Speaker 2: she was like so scared. She was so worried because
Speaker 2: also I know what ipoing is.
Speaker 1: I just like I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to have a conversation I guess about like the
Speaker 2: nuances of like the pros and cons of it.
Speaker 1: But all I said was, wait, so why what is it?
Speaker 2: Which was like the kind of the funny version to
Speaker 2: say it, but so fucking insane to say to a
Speaker 2: CFO when you've worked at a company for three years
Speaker 2: where all they talk about every day is I cut too.
Speaker 1: You're fired, cut to like three weeks later, you're literally
Speaker 1: three weeks later, you're off.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I'm glad that your tech life and tech
Speaker 3: career didn't work out, so it was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad kicked out of the nest.
Speaker 3: I like that because you're doing what you were meant
Speaker 3: to do, and the world would have less laughter in
Speaker 3: it if you were still working there.
Speaker 1: So they did you a favor. I love that. Thanks.
Speaker 1: So you do comedy in New York, which to me
Speaker 1: is crazy. I don't. I could not do it.
Speaker 3: That's just the most New Yorkers in are just the
Speaker 3: most intimidating, Like this is a scary city. You're not
Speaker 3: in like some small town in Ohio, and you're not
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like, you're not like
Speaker 3: local celebina in the Midwest. You're in New York City.
Speaker 3: What is the worst city to perform in? And why?
Speaker 1: And is it New York? I feel les they must
Speaker 1: they're okay.
Speaker 2: New York audiences are smart and they have access to everything.
Speaker 2: I think the thing with comedy though, is that it's
Speaker 2: very subjective, and I don't think that there's like a
Speaker 2: bad city to perform in. I think that the culture
Speaker 2: of humor is different in every city. Yes, and there's
Speaker 2: local stuff. I mean, my job is to figure out
Speaker 2: what is universal enough that I can go to any
Speaker 2: city anywhere and perform and still make people laugh.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, there's like I have fans.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I will say New York is, Yes,
Speaker 2: New York is a competitive city.
Speaker 1: It's a hard city. I don't think any city is
Speaker 1: bad to perform in. Do you have a favorite?
Speaker 2: I have a few favorites. I mean, I love New
Speaker 2: York because it's my culture to my city. So it's
Speaker 2: like that part of it. It's like we're speaking the
Speaker 2: same language because like it's all the nuances there, you know,
Speaker 2: like I can make local jokes, I can talk about
Speaker 2: city biking, like I can do stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: I'm not like surprised by stuff anymore in this well,
Speaker 2: I mean you always are, but I have my bearings here.
Speaker 1: I also love London very close second.
Speaker 3: And that's a very very different sense of humor, different
Speaker 3: sense of humor.
Speaker 2: But they are super dark and they they really love
Speaker 2: they are dark.
Speaker 1: They love witticisms, like their culture.
Speaker 2: Is more like in words, and they're super smart.
Speaker 1: So anywhere that's like.
Speaker 2: Really cosmopolitan, I think has that sensibility just because you're
Speaker 2: you're exposed to so much more all the time every day.
Speaker 3: And I bet they appreciate your Shakespearean background.
Speaker 1: Spirts there you go.
Speaker 2: But I think more so it's just like the dark
Speaker 2: humor of at all. Like sometimes I'm in Brooklyn here
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 1: They just don't everyone's like, wait, am I allowed to
Speaker 1: laugh at that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Kind of vibes because I think you have to walk
Speaker 2: into a stand up show to saying, like with the
Speaker 2: knowledge that like everything that said is a joke, it's
Speaker 2: not literal. Yeah, and if you're not that kind of
Speaker 2: person in general, Like I don't think stand up is
Speaker 2: for everybody. So like sometimes people like go to a
Speaker 2: show and they're like, wait, what like, but you have
Speaker 2: to understand that, like it's I'm saying I say really
Speaker 2: over the top things because they're insane, you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's obviously a kernel of truth at the core of everything.
Speaker 2: But like if I'm talking about like buying a gun,
Speaker 2: it's like it's not I'm not.
Speaker 1: Gonna buy a gun, not gonna buy a gun.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like more like a thought exploration or
Speaker 2: like a surprise at the end of a joke kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Is there anything you do before you go out to
Speaker 3: hype yourself up or you just you just go.
Speaker 1: Fullballs to the wall.
Speaker 3: I mean, I perform so much it is literally my
Speaker 3: worst fere. So if somebody puts me on a stage
Speaker 3: and says, be funny, yeah, I would rather cry.
Speaker 1: I would sit on the stage.
Speaker 3: I would mind would be more of like a performance piece,
Speaker 3: and I would be sitting up there crying.
Speaker 1: Totally and that would be the.
Speaker 3: And then you would do if not long enough, and
Speaker 3: then people be like, hah, they'd laugh until they cried.
Speaker 2: Sure, everyone would cry together at that point. I don't
Speaker 2: really do much to hide myself up anymore. I think, like,
Speaker 2: if I'm on the road, I needed to take like
Speaker 2: an afternoon nap, oh, just so I'm like, and then
Speaker 2: I try and like work out in the morning and
Speaker 2: like eat well enough that I like have full brain
Speaker 2: function because it's like I'm just always trying to like
Speaker 2: make sure my brain is available, you know, Like and
Speaker 2: I never get enough sleep, but.
Speaker 1: That would probably help. Oh, I love laughing. But otherwise,
Speaker 1: like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I drink a kombucha before I go on stage.
Speaker 2: Well you're a mamte Oh she's crazy. But at the clubs,
Speaker 2: theyingly have diet coke, so sometimes I do that.
Speaker 3: They should have kombucha. This should be something we change
Speaker 3: about the comedy world.
Speaker 2: I've always said that whenever I'm began to have a rider,
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm used.
Speaker 1: To like Mazzarelli sticks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of get accustomed to it at a
Speaker 2: certain point, so now I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, meat chicken my yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah literally, but yeah, no, it's definitely like you don't
Speaker 2: have to like the And also because every night I
Speaker 2: like eat dinner basically like after my sat at like
Speaker 2: eleven pm, so my options are super limited and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to like cook at that time.
Speaker 3: So we need health food available for comedians exactly. This
Speaker 3: is something that people aren't where it could be like.
Speaker 1: Better at planning my life maybe if I if I
Speaker 1: ever figure that out, It's okay. I never have time.
Speaker 3: I don't eat breakfast for lunch, I basically drink a
Speaker 3: macha and then hope I don't pass.
Speaker 1: Out when that's being a girl, and you know what,
Speaker 1: that's what that's happening right now. Guess what I had today?
Speaker 1: Two cappuccinos. I've literally had a macha. I don't know
Speaker 1: what time it is, but I'm just basically trying not
Speaker 1: to pass out.
Speaker 2: And then you just go until you can and then
Speaker 2: you eat something and then you go okay.
Speaker 1: And I also have no time today to eat anything.
Speaker 3: I don't have time to date, so I guess at dinner.
Speaker 1: I'll have dinner. For sure, I'll have dinner. This is
Speaker 1: bad for all the young girls listening. Don't till starve yourself.
Speaker 1: We're just busy. We're running around and I took a cab.
Speaker 1: We're really busy. Literally, I have a croissant in my pack.
Speaker 1: Actually we should split it. That some's amazing. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like as a woman in comedy?
Speaker 3: And I mean the answer is obviously yes, But is
Speaker 3: there something specific to you and your experience that you've
Speaker 3: had that you feel like you have had to deal
Speaker 3: with as a woman in comedy.
Speaker 1: That men don't. Yeah, everything, I was gonna say it's
Speaker 1: I know it's everything, and I know it's a it's
Speaker 1: a long list.
Speaker 3: And are there things that you've personally experienced that you're
Speaker 3: like that are you're you're deeply passionate about that you
Speaker 3: really feel like are an injustice that you have had
Speaker 3: to face.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing about being a woman in any
Speaker 2: industry is that, especially like a male dominated one, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, men don't everybody's women aren't funny, even though they
Speaker 1: are right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that narrative is changing a lot, Like
Speaker 2: I don't really hear that as much. I think people
Speaker 2: are really understanding that, like women are. I think there's
Speaker 2: also so many women that have paved the way for
Speaker 2: my for my class of women and stand up especially
Speaker 2: where like like the Amy Schumers of the world, like
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Eliza's Lessinger is feminine. Like there's like a few
Speaker 1: like really big uh people like Ali.
Speaker 2: Wang, like you know, doing pregnancy, yes and stuff like
Speaker 2: you can be feminine and do comedy now, which you
Speaker 2: wasn't a given that. It was like you have to
Speaker 2: be even if you are a woman, you have to
Speaker 2: be sort of somewhat masculine on stage. I think there's
Speaker 2: there's just like a hurdle of like proving yourself, proving yourself,
Speaker 2: Like even when I walk on stage, it's there are
Speaker 2: certain rooms still where I can you can just feel it,
Speaker 2: like you walk on stage and you can tell before
Speaker 2: you've spoken a word, they're like, who is this girl
Speaker 2: and why is she talking?
Speaker 1: And like that's that's just like room to room. I
Speaker 1: don't get that a lot on the.
Speaker 2: On the whole, but it is something that just like
Speaker 2: is like latent like in our culture because it's like
Speaker 2: stand up is such an exposure of our culture.
Speaker 1: And like the culture anywhere. I guess you just get
Speaker 1: like such a.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I mean like comedy clubs
Speaker 2: historically have like favored men, but something like that is
Speaker 2: super hard to like put your finger on. You're like,
Speaker 2: am I not getting this because I'm not ready? Like
Speaker 2: maybe I should be funnier. But it's also on the
Speaker 2: other hand, you look at people and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: well I have X y Z thing like beneath my belt,
Speaker 2: like I you know, these followers I headline internationally and
Speaker 2: then like they give and then the club books. You know,
Speaker 2: a guy who's been doing it the same amount of
Speaker 2: time as me but doesn't have the accolades that I have.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well is that is what? What
Speaker 1: is that is that? Because I'm a woman, and.
Speaker 2: It's like super hard to like take it seriously, you're
Speaker 2: not gaslight yourself. I mean there is this like really
Speaker 2: interesting thing happening right now where there was this girl
Speaker 2: who she came forward that a comedy club owner sexually
Speaker 2: assaulted her basically like she he was he was making
Speaker 2: a joke and tried to I don't want to like
Speaker 2: butcher her account of events, but this was the video
Speaker 2: she posted online.
Speaker 1: He like tried to grab her and like her crotch as.
Speaker 2: Like he was like because she was asking about like
Speaker 2: how do I get booked on more stuff?
Speaker 1: And then according to her like try to grab.
Speaker 2: Her and hearing that really kind of because we there's
Speaker 2: it's so interesting because it's like there's a tip of
Speaker 2: the iceberg.
Speaker 1: Right where you're like, oh, I kind of feel.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not being prioritized or like other people maybe
Speaker 2: are getting things that I'm not getting because I'm aware,
Speaker 2: or maybe I'm not being taken as seriously as I should,
Speaker 2: or like you know, it's sort of like a running
Speaker 2: thing in like women that stand up like oh yeah,
Speaker 2: men are men are prioritized to like clubs whatever, Like
Speaker 2: oh but maybe that's just like comedy subjective and that's
Speaker 2: the book or like it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: But then and then I heard that, and I was like, there's.
Speaker 2: Deep, there's deeper than that, and like you don't know
Speaker 2: where it ends, right like so that's that was really
Speaker 2: eye opening for me. And I've I've obviously also had
Speaker 2: some like a lot of like a lot of like
Speaker 2: there's like avert sexual harassment. Yeah, that I've already experienced,
Speaker 2: and like that sucks. That sucks because it's like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to just do my thing and there is no
Speaker 2: hr and stand up. But on the other hand, like
Speaker 2: those are some cons but like also I work with
Speaker 2: men every single day and so many of them are
Speaker 2: fantastic and my really close friends, and like they're like
Speaker 2: brothers to me, you know, and they're so funny.
Speaker 1: So it's it's just it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. I will say, Okay, here's here's a good
Speaker 2: example of like I think this only happened to me
Speaker 2: because I was a woman.
Speaker 1: I was booked on a big show.
Speaker 2: And I won't say what the show is because I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I mean, I genuinely think it was
Speaker 2: just like a mistake. And I don't think ill of
Speaker 2: this person necessarily. I think he made a mistake and
Speaker 2: I think he's a fucking idiot, and I would say
Speaker 2: that to his face, and I think I did. But
Speaker 2: it was a big show. He's a friend of mine,
Speaker 2: and he and I did have a romantic past, but
Speaker 2: like not really like we just like, you know, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 2: but we like there was a dalliance between us. He
Speaker 2: was short and then we immediately became friends and like
Speaker 2: we're very close friends. He started dating someone, also a comedian.
Speaker 2: She was opening for him.
Speaker 1: Did he cut you out? Did he push you off?
Speaker 2: Of the two days before the show was the biggest
Speaker 2: show of his career, and he was he asked me
Speaker 2: to open for him, and I've had him open for me,
Speaker 2: Like I mean yeah, two days before he called me
Speaker 2: and was like, I can't have you on the show
Speaker 2: because my girlfriend doesn't want you on the show, and
Speaker 2: that I was like, Okay, yes, maybe this is my fault,
Speaker 2: like shit where you eat kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, I'm like, you got basically
Speaker 3: got fired for dating someone.
Speaker 2: Yes, which like if we were in a corporate environment
Speaker 2: that would be illegal, yes, and like to.
Speaker 1: Retaliate against me.
Speaker 2: It was also eye opening for me because on our
Speaker 2: relationship because I was like, oh, you will only ever
Speaker 2: see me that way. Yeah, Like that was I think
Speaker 2: the most upsetting part. Like obviously losing an opportunit unity.
Speaker 1: Sucks and he's like.
Speaker 3: Dickless and like couldn't tell his girlfriend this is completely unprofessional.
Speaker 1: This is my job, this is different, This is because
Speaker 1: isn't what this is what sucks.
Speaker 2: Is that Like I engaged in that with him, knowing
Speaker 2: that if we were ever in the same comp if
Speaker 2: the tables returned, which they have been, like I've been
Speaker 2: headlining and he's been on. You know, it's just like
Speaker 2: one of those if the tables returned, I and I
Speaker 2: had a boyfriend who was like, you know, actually, like
Speaker 2: I don't I would be like, excuse me, he is,
Speaker 2: this is my job.
Speaker 1: He's a good comedian.
Speaker 2: I didn't book him because of her, because of whatever
Speaker 2: has happened between us years ago. I booked him because
Speaker 2: he's a friend and a colleague, and because he's an
Speaker 2: amazing stand up comedian. I don't ever want an opportunity
Speaker 2: because of like whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's like that's it.
Speaker 2: It was just like there was a lot of convolusion
Speaker 2: there that is sort of unclear, Like I can see
Speaker 2: it from his perspective, but also it's hard not to
Speaker 2: at the end of the day be like I'm a
Speaker 2: I'm a girl, and like this happened because I'm a girl,
Speaker 2: and I lost an opportunity in a way that I
Speaker 2: just maybe for society.
Speaker 1: There's reasons like bigger things, bigger things than the two
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: This happened, and it does feel like it does come
Speaker 2: back to the fact that I'm a woman. Whereas, like
Speaker 2: I think if the tables were turned because he's a man,
Speaker 2: if it were like a different if it were the
Speaker 2: roles reversed, I just I think it would play out differently.
Speaker 3: Have you seen that thing online that's like men should
Speaker 3: be put in jail and then just from birth and
Speaker 3: have to work their way out. Sure, that's how I feel. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I feel guilty until proven innocent. Yeah, Like truly, it
Speaker 3: never ceases to amaze me. It really, it really really doesn't.
Speaker 3: And just like just the things they get away with,
Speaker 3: it's absolutely insane to me. And I feel like that
Speaker 3: space is just so I don't want to say toxic
Speaker 3: necessarily because I don't know that that's everyone's experience or
Speaker 3: like I don't know that that's how you would describe
Speaker 3: your you know, I don't think your career is much
Speaker 3: bigger than that. But it's just so crazy to me
Speaker 3: that there's the things they get away with and the
Speaker 3: way they're able to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just to do yeah. And also mind you, like
Speaker 1: he was so apologetic, he knew what he was doing.
Speaker 2: He I mean, he called me multiple times and was
Speaker 2: like I'm so sorry, but I was like, this is
Speaker 2: just like not enough his loss. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 2: will see, we'll see how this situation plays out. I
Speaker 2: in some ways, I don't even hold it against him, Like,
Speaker 2: I know he was in a tough spot. I think
Speaker 2: I wish he were more mature. I wish he could
Speaker 2: zoom out and see it differently, you see it the
Speaker 2: way I see it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I don't. I don't think he's like
Speaker 1: I really want to reiterate, like he's not a bad person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this isn't me like coming down on him.
Speaker 2: I've had other things where people are legit bad people,
Speaker 2: but he's not one of those people. It's just like
Speaker 2: a really unfortunate byproduct of like this industry, which is
Speaker 2: like very friendship based, relationship based. I'm a girl, I'm
Speaker 2: one of the few women in stand up. I'm around
Speaker 2: ment all the time. Things happen like and it's sort
Speaker 2: of like haha, yeah, I hook up the comics and
Speaker 2: then it's like oh fuck.
Speaker 3: You know, as a stand up watcher, I feel like
Speaker 3: I love going and every time I'm like there's at
Speaker 3: least one guy that I'm like his friends told him
Speaker 3: he was funny one too many times. Like, you are
Speaker 3: only up there because your bros told you you were funny.
Speaker 3: There is absolutely no justification for you to be standing
Speaker 3: up like you and you turn you were funny in
Speaker 3: conversation once and now you're trying to turn it into
Speaker 3: a career and it's literally unbearable. But what's good about
Speaker 3: stand up is that actually it is ultimately the great
Speaker 3: equalizer because if you see someone that's not making you laugh,
Speaker 3: you don't see them again, you know, and you have
Speaker 3: to work so hard to get people laugh. I did
Speaker 3: see someone really bomb one time and like get and.
Speaker 1: He just it was so sad. I felt so bad
Speaker 1: for him. And then he just like he didn't get
Speaker 1: booed off.
Speaker 3: Essentially he got like silenced off where nobody was laughing.
Speaker 3: It was it was one of the most excruciating things
Speaker 3: I've ever watched. And I was like, this is why
Speaker 3: this is my biggest fear on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's quite little and that's part to stand up,
Speaker 1: Like that's happened to me too, it has Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I would cry. I did cry, Yeah, I had.
Speaker 1: I think he cried too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like sometimes you literally just fumble. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's just a bad circumstance and like whatever they
Speaker 2: can maybe so, yeah, it happened, that's part of it.
Speaker 1: Never never will you see me up there.
Speaker 4: Never you will never see me up there.
Speaker 3: Do you think that social media is positive for comedy
Speaker 3: culture or negative for a comedy.
Speaker 2: You know as a girl because of the situations I've
Speaker 2: just mentioned it has. It is the only reason why
Speaker 2: I can do this.
Speaker 1: It is the most positive thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, there are parameters around the Internet that don't exist
Speaker 2: in other forms, like you have to you know, make
Speaker 2: videos that have like the hook and like blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: whereas like stan up have a little more.
Speaker 1: Leeway in that for like creativity and whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think it is made again like equalizing platform,
Speaker 2: Like anyone can do it. You just have to focus
Speaker 2: and post and work really hard. But if you put
Speaker 2: those steps in and if you're taking the care to
Speaker 2: make it happen, like you.
Speaker 1: Can do it.
Speaker 2: And I think what's cool is that now I don't
Speaker 2: have to rely on clubs and the booker or but yeah,
Speaker 2: like my only avenue isn't just relationships, which is where
Speaker 2: like in like the fall out of like me too.
Speaker 1: Stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like that's that was sort of how they help
Speaker 2: because there wasn't any other way in so that they
Speaker 2: were the gatekeeper. Right, there's the gatekeepers don't really exist
Speaker 2: in the same way anymore. And on the other hand,
Speaker 2: which is sort of also good and bad because then
Speaker 2: there's no taste makers either. It's all just direct to consumer,
Speaker 2: so like it's whatever works to like the masses, which
Speaker 2: is sort of like the algorithm is like the gatekeeper
Speaker 2: gatekeeper and the taste maker, which I feel like, as
Speaker 2: to some it may seem silly, but I've like it
Speaker 2: genuinely is better to hand the power back over to
Speaker 2: the general public as opposed to the creepy club wriner,
Speaker 2: which I mean in any power hierarchical system like that,
Speaker 2: there's just gonna be exploitation, Like it's just human nature,
Speaker 2: like incentives make people misbehave and like that that can happen,
Speaker 2: and again doesn't mean it's everyone. But I think what's
Speaker 2: cool is that it's it's made it possible for me
Speaker 2: to sort of just go like just build your own lane,
Speaker 2: like in so many people like men and women like
Speaker 2: you can just you can build your own lane, you know,
Speaker 2: and you can go.
Speaker 1: Directly to people and you can use your own voice.
Speaker 2: So that's been I think that's like the overall net
Speaker 2: positive thing. And I also think that it's an amazing
Speaker 2: place for creativity.
Speaker 1: You can really, you really can do whatever you want
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 3: And I think social media gives women so much power,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's given women so much freedom.
Speaker 3: And I feel like the reason that being an influencer
Speaker 3: is so dismissed and so mocked is and the guys
Speaker 3: are like.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's just an influencer.
Speaker 3: She's just an influencer, and it's not taken seriously is
Speaker 3: because so many of the people that are making money
Speaker 3: through being an influencer are women.
Speaker 2: Right But then and women are jealous and also look
Speaker 2: at it, like you, if you look at who is
Speaker 2: selling tickets, who is whatever, it's those people. It's the
Speaker 2: people who have built their own audiences. And it's super hard,
Speaker 2: super hard to do. It takes a lot of focus,
Speaker 2: takes a lot of effort. It's something that I am
Speaker 2: fighting for every single day to make good content that's
Speaker 2: like true and feels authentically me and like we're I mean,
Speaker 2: your holy just so many things you're juggling. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's just been an amazing thing to I
Speaker 2: just have my own vertical that doesn't rely on someone
Speaker 2: saying yes.
Speaker 1: I can just say yes to myself and do it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love it. I agree, we're aligned. I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: switching gears a teeny bit. What does a normal day
Speaker 1: in your city look like for you? What are you
Speaker 1: up to? What are you doing? We got every day's
Speaker 1: a nightmare and every day is different. Every day is
Speaker 1: a nightmare. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I wake up and I go, oh my god, I'm late.
Speaker 2: Like that is like literally every day for me. I
Speaker 2: am yeah, And it's just I like try and work
Speaker 2: out in the morning, and then I have a coffee
Speaker 2: and then I don't have time to eat lunch, and
Speaker 2: then I know that, you know, it's just like the
Speaker 2: day gets away from me.
Speaker 1: What's cool?
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, okay, pros and cons cool. Every day
Speaker 1: is different.
Speaker 2: I live cons. I cannot make plans. I cannot make
Speaker 2: plans ever. Like today I have this and then I'm
Speaker 2: filming a sketch and then I have to go pack
Speaker 2: because I'm going to Chicago tomorrow.
Speaker 3: And then I not Antarctica. What it's freezing, it's going
Speaker 3: to be insane. I'm going to be in an uber
Speaker 3: the whole time. I don't think I could possibly think
Speaker 3: of a worst place to go. I know this, And
Speaker 3: did I think about that at all? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Is it work? It's for work, I'm hadny. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm doing Chicago, Nashville and the Amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean that's like the middle of my week. And
Speaker 2: then I don't have weekends. I don't have I don't
Speaker 2: know whatever. And then at night, pretty much every night,
Speaker 2: I'm doing stand ups. Like tonight, I'm going to dinner
Speaker 2: with my parents, and then after I'm going to stand up,
Speaker 2: and then after that I might see my boyfriend because
Speaker 2: we're in town for the same for ten hours today together,
Speaker 2: like and then I leave again.
Speaker 1: He was gone. Is your boyfriend also a comedian? He's
Speaker 1: a content creator? Okay? Because I've seen him do like
Speaker 1: things with you, and so I was like, is he
Speaker 1: Oh that's not my boyfriend? Oh who did you think
Speaker 1: my boyfriend was? Wait a minute, so you have do
Speaker 1: you show your boyfriend online? Okay, okay, okay, but I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about Max Abna, who is my work wife.
Speaker 2: Got it, got it and we're we're basically siblings, okay, Fabulu,
Speaker 2: which is fun. We did do a Skim's Siblings or
Speaker 2: dating campaign together.
Speaker 1: That is who I thought was your boyfriend? Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that we are something, which we are. We're friends. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Wait but your okay, so your boyfriend is a content creator.
Speaker 1: But does do people know who your boyfriend is?
Speaker 3: Or no?
Speaker 1: It's a secret? Oh secret? Oh it's a sexy is
Speaker 1: a sexy secret? Now it's more like private, not secret
Speaker 1: kind of vibes. Okay, sexy private. It's all so new,
Speaker 1: so much. Oh I love this. Would you date You've
Speaker 1: said you did?
Speaker 2: I have data comedians. I think it's been a mistake
Speaker 2: every time I.
Speaker 1: Would not date a male content creator. So this is interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he seems like an outlier right now.
Speaker 2: My boy my boyfriend, But yeah, I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, it takes a little bit of an
Speaker 2: interesting but at the same time, like, I'm a content creator,
Speaker 2: so I'm like and a comedian. Which are the two
Speaker 2: things that I'm saying are red flags and everybody else?
Speaker 2: So I'm like, well, you know, oh.
Speaker 1: I'm a total hypocrite. When we all find each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want anyone anything like me.
Speaker 1: So there you go. You want like a yeah, you
Speaker 1: want like a like a finance guy or something, right,
Speaker 1: just something that's just someone that's not into themselves and
Speaker 1: doesn't want to broadcast themselves and someone right, I want
Speaker 1: to manipuate himself.
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, but I think that No, no, no, if
Speaker 2: you hate yourself, you are online because you need the validation.
Speaker 1: This is true.
Speaker 3: I just I'm afraid, like I don't know the guys
Speaker 3: who a man with Instagram followers would or TikTok followers,
Speaker 3: like a man who's like I gotta go make a TikTok.
Speaker 3: I'm no, yeah, I have to go make a TikTok.
Speaker 1: But don't you but you don't make it, don't you? Dare? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I yeah, it's it's case by case for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, if it were like a guy who was
Speaker 2: like thirst trapping, like you know those guys that do
Speaker 2: like the yeah, like they're shirtless and they're like hmm
Speaker 2: and transitions, they should be punished.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 3: I could, fine, there should be a fine for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like I get it. Do what works, Like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a whore too, but like just I don't
Speaker 1: even want to see a gym selphie. I don't even
Speaker 1: want you to own like have one on your phone,
Speaker 1: don't take photos, don't.
Speaker 2: Even look at yourself do that if you think that
Speaker 2: you're hot. I don't want to know that way.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to know you.
Speaker 2: It's a different I just we have different I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm such a like. What I like about anyone is
Speaker 2: like their sense of humor. Me too, So it's like
Speaker 2: that's my first and foremost.
Speaker 3: So he's funny, He's so funny, he's so many means
Speaker 3: the same sense of humor.
Speaker 1: We're like totally insane to each other. But I love this. Okay,
Speaker 1: this makes me so happy for you. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about dating, but we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: But this makes me very very happy, and I'm this
Speaker 1: is exciting and I love this.
Speaker 3: What is your favorite New York delusion? Mine is that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna live in a multimillion dollar.
Speaker 1: Apartment one day.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I believe this for myself, even though
Speaker 3: it's like truly never gonna happen, but I believe I
Speaker 3: will have a townhouse in the Lost Village.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, or like yeah, I think in Rook,
Speaker 2: I think you have to believe that to live here,
Speaker 2: you have to go. Yes, this is my life right now,
Speaker 2: but I.
Speaker 1: Will not be in this.
Speaker 3: I live in like a five hundred square photos maybe
Speaker 3: smaller apartment, and I believe every time I'm in there,
Speaker 3: I like, don't get down on myself because I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: my multimillion dollar apartment is around.
Speaker 1: The corner exactly, and I think you're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not, Like, I'm definitely not gonna ever have
Speaker 3: fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it iss like to get
Speaker 1: fillion dollars? You know what I mean? Like, that's just
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: Or you have fourteen million dollars, that means you have
Speaker 2: like so much more money than that. You have like
Speaker 2: exactly million dollars.
Speaker 1: I would have to have one hundred million dollars by
Speaker 1: a fourteen dollar year and then get the fourteen and
Speaker 1: it's like, what would I know what to do with
Speaker 1: a fourteen I know it is that, but in my head, yes,
Speaker 1: I see it as I'm living there, I see myself
Speaker 1: laying in the living room and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: my Brooklyn Brownstone and I'm in it. You can get
Speaker 1: something nice though for a two million not really like
Speaker 1: kind of like a couple of bedrooms.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even know how I would get a two
Speaker 3: million dollar apartment. My point being, I believe that it's free.
Speaker 1: Two million is fat. That's how I live here?
Speaker 3: Is I just like in my millions of dolls, I
Speaker 3: am like, I have this insane apartment that nobody could
Speaker 3: believe And like I'm walking around my fifty million dollar
Speaker 3: apartment and I'm having it. What is your New York
Speaker 3: delusion that just like gets you through being here?
Speaker 1: You have to have it? Or like I'm going to
Speaker 1: find the love of my life here. Sure it's like
Speaker 1: another deluge.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I'm just like, you know, honestly,
Speaker 2: I'm just like addicted to the grind.
Speaker 1: Like I love like the adrenaline of it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: I think like maybe my my delusion is that I
Speaker 2: will then I will one day be able to afford
Speaker 2: like a home outside of New York and living so
Speaker 2: I can have like a vacation house kind of vibes
Speaker 2: like an upstate or like a Hampton's kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Because that you could do that. I feel like, well.
Speaker 2: That's a similar like yeah, multimillion dollars, yes, But then
Speaker 2: I think that it's like.
Speaker 1: Practicality wise, are you coming in and out of the city?
Speaker 2: No, right, because then you also need a car yep,
Speaker 2: which I don't want.
Speaker 3: And it's like the time, and it's like you live
Speaker 3: two lives. You have your life in the city, and
Speaker 3: I know, I don't even know say they're going to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: They just end up moving to the suburbs, right, And
Speaker 2: I don't even have enough time for my life right now.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's I like this New York delusion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a good one that I could, like,
Speaker 2: I'll stay here because I have like room for that.
Speaker 2: I think my New York delusion is that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: raise my kids here because that's impossible, it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And also, I don't want my kids to be crackheads
Speaker 2: and do you think that they will be if they're here?
Speaker 1: Or pretentious monsters?
Speaker 2: Right? Like all of my friends who grew up in
Speaker 2: New York did cocaine when they were thirteen, And I'm
Speaker 2: just like, do it when you're eighteen, Like, don't do
Speaker 2: it when you're thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So my New York delusion is that if
Speaker 2: I had kids here, if.
Speaker 3: You have children, you're going to and from upstate, you
Speaker 3: have a car.
Speaker 1: Yes, you am going to private school. And your kids
Speaker 1: are in private school.
Speaker 3: And but and I can keep them normal and they're
Speaker 3: normal and and you're really really happy.
Speaker 2: They're well adjusted, and they're smart, and we have a
Speaker 2: very stable family life for them, and they can take
Speaker 2: violin lessons.
Speaker 3: Okay, I love this, Yeah, I love this. What's the
Speaker 3: worst date you've been on in New York?
Speaker 1: The worst day?
Speaker 3: I feel like every day in New York is like
Speaker 3: kind of the worst date. I feel like, Okay, so
Speaker 3: I haven't had like an egregious date, like because I
Speaker 3: don't really date that much.
Speaker 1: I mostly date people that I know. And oh, I
Speaker 1: was going to say, how do you meet people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I mean I met my boyfriend like through
Speaker 3: the internet, like through Instagram, slid.
Speaker 1: In the DMS. So I slid. I know he thought
Speaker 1: girl energy. So but I wasn't even doing it like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, let's be friends, because I didn't.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't thinking about it, but he followed me first,
Speaker 2: and then I DMed him and was like, hey, it's
Speaker 2: great to connect.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, because he's in the mix, I'm
Speaker 1: in the mix.
Speaker 2: And he was sort of like newer in the content world,
Speaker 2: and I'd heard about him from like just people being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this guy's blowing up right now, but
Speaker 2: I'd never seen his content. And then you followed me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, that's that guy.
Speaker 1: And it's great to connect.
Speaker 2: Is crazy, yeah, hilarious, thank you. And then he immediately
Speaker 2: like riffed on it and I.
Speaker 1: Was like he was like, yeah, I'm trying to what's up.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: But then before that, the reason I kept dating Comedian
Speaker 3: was dating is a strong word, but like, well, I
Speaker 3: really wasn't interested.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to think there is dating in New York.
Speaker 1: I think New York is just hooking up with people.
Speaker 1: It's not dating.
Speaker 3: Even if you go on ten dates so someone you're
Speaker 3: just the seconding them. They're like okay, so we're just
Speaker 3: looking up like it's it's either you're never going to
Speaker 3: see them again or they're like okay, so now we're
Speaker 3: hooking up.
Speaker 1: You're not. They don't go, oh, now i'm your boyfriend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you've been on fifteen dates, 've
Speaker 1: been seeing them for two months.
Speaker 3: The second you have sex, are like, okay, we're having sex.
Speaker 1: That's my taket. I hate that.
Speaker 3: Hate that so much unless you slide in the DMS.
Speaker 3: Apparently I love that. I love It's great to connect. Well,
Speaker 3: it was more normal, boss.
Speaker 1: It was just because.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, yeah, I think also the
Speaker 2: fact that like my relationship evolved the way it did
Speaker 2: was also because I genuinely was just like I just
Speaker 2: want to know this person.
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't thinking.
Speaker 2: About any outcome, and I think he I don't know
Speaker 2: if he was really either. I think we both kind
Speaker 2: of like thought each other were attractive, like we kind
Speaker 2: of but it wasn't like I mean because we like
Speaker 2: work in the same industry, so we weren't like thinking like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like a.
Speaker 1: Single goal here, you know.
Speaker 2: So I think that like took the pressure off it too,
Speaker 2: And then also like it saved me from being like
Speaker 2: toxic because I was just like, well, this.
Speaker 1: Is my friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then finally he was like Okay, but I
Speaker 3: I want more than that, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: and then I had to like not be crazy because well,
Speaker 3: I like usually you're like, oh yeah, let me text
Speaker 3: him back in like six hours or whatever, and I
Speaker 3: literally couldn't do that because I was like, well, we've
Speaker 3: already been texting his friends and you know that I
Speaker 3: text back right away.
Speaker 2: So now I'm like, fuck, I like gave my hand away.
Speaker 2: But then I don't know, but it was so nice
Speaker 2: because then we were just both completely ourselves.
Speaker 1: So that was cool. But the worst date I've ever
Speaker 1: been on I there was this guy who I met
Speaker 1: on a Hndeh. God, it's just every Hinge day, Hinge
Speaker 1: hinge hinges.
Speaker 2: They're just it's just like impossible because it's like if
Speaker 2: you're on Hinge. But I think about it like this,
Speaker 2: like if you're at a bar, you maybe there's like
Speaker 2: one person in the bar that you're like, oh, maybe
Speaker 2: like that guy's attractive, and I can feel like the
Speaker 2: vibe or whatever, and that's a bar of like two
Speaker 2: hundred people, and so you're like but and then Hinge
Speaker 2: is like swipe looking at every single person in that bar,
Speaker 2: looking at all of their like criteria whatever, and so
Speaker 2: bypasses the part where you're like, oh, what's the vibe
Speaker 2: of this, you know, and it's like anyway, So I
Speaker 2: like went on a hinge day with this guy and
Speaker 2: he was like being like weird and wishy, while she
Speaker 2: like he was like, oh wait, I'm supposed to be
Speaker 2: zoom with my friends tonight, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: let's cancel, Like what the fuck that's a crazy thing
Speaker 2: to say, like.
Speaker 1: And also, my life is a nightmare. I have to
Speaker 1: meet people after shows and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I was like it was like a Monday night
Speaker 2: and I had a show and then I was like,
Speaker 2: I can meet you at nine pm, you know, which
Speaker 2: like people fucking like hate that, Like I mean, my
Speaker 2: boyfriend likes it, but yeah, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's like inconvenient for like normal life, and so.
Speaker 1: I like he was like, oh, I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I was like okay, great, that's not then and he
Speaker 2: was like and I was like, well, clearly I'm never
Speaker 2: going to see you again, like I don't need this,
Speaker 2: and then he was like no, it's too it and
Speaker 2: I was like okay, so I like show up. He
Speaker 2: I wasn't drinking at the time because I for a
Speaker 2: second thought I was allergic to alcohol.
Speaker 1: That's a whole other side story. But I didn't.
Speaker 2: I basically didn't drink for like two years, and then
Speaker 2: I ended up actually not being anyway.
Speaker 1: It was something else fine.
Speaker 3: But he he had a drink already when I got there.
Speaker 1: I've shown up to handshakes and I already drunk. That sucks.
Speaker 1: That fucking sucks.
Speaker 3: And then I ordered a tea, like a hot tea
Speaker 3: because I'm not drinking. I've done this, and he didn't
Speaker 3: offer to pay for it, and I was like that's
Speaker 3: two dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why did you not pay for this? Like that's
Speaker 2: just basic chivalry, Like we're on a date. Like that's crazy.
Speaker 2: So I was like okay, so I like pay for
Speaker 2: my tea. We like sit down and then we're like chatting.
Speaker 2: It's like literally like no vibes at all, Like.
Speaker 1: He seemed fine but whatever.
Speaker 2: And then like he starts telling me like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm doing shrooms to like get through the day now.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh what, and he's like yeah,
Speaker 2: like makes me better at my tech job.
Speaker 1: I was like that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I like and then I like go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom in the middle and like and then I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: how do I get out of this situation? I like
Speaker 2: come back and I'm about to be like okay, like
Speaker 2: let's wrap it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he goes, so do you like to rave?
Speaker 1: And then I go, oh, do you do like a
Speaker 1: ton of drugs?
Speaker 2: And he was like yeah, and like one of my
Speaker 2: friends died recently, but like I really like doing like
Speaker 2: a lot of drugs, like blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I was like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, like no, and then I told him like, oh,
Speaker 2: I have this really big like opportunity tomorrow, and he
Speaker 2: just like glossed over that.
Speaker 1: Like it was just like totally like just could not
Speaker 1: be speaking.
Speaker 3: Different, Like I've had identical experience. I feel like I've
Speaker 3: had an identical experience. Yeah, that is just that's New
Speaker 3: York men.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: He was just it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: I was like, you were so deeply like running from
Speaker 2: your own life.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like, oh I do drug Like I don't
Speaker 2: think that doing drugs inherently is a problem, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I can tell that the reason you're doing
Speaker 2: this is because you are so unhappy.
Speaker 3: Do you trauma dump on men on dates? Yeah, or
Speaker 3: do you feel like they traumed up on you both?
Speaker 1: But I like that.
Speaker 3: I feel like I trauma up on them and they
Speaker 3: never traumed up on me. Oh okay, I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm the trauma dumper.
Speaker 1: And I was curious your take on that.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm a crazy person. So I like to just
Speaker 3: tell everybody everything, and like, I'm like, I want to
Speaker 3: I literally meet you, and I'm like, okay, let's start
Speaker 3: with every bad thing that's ever happened to me.
Speaker 2: Totally okay, yeah, no, totally. Actually, I was on a
Speaker 2: date with a guy who I liked. He's like a friend,
Speaker 2: he's he's a friend and straight up like he cried
Speaker 2: on our first date about his life or because of
Speaker 2: what you told him, because.
Speaker 1: Of what I ask asked. I asked a pointed question.
Speaker 3: I think making a man cry on the first dade
Speaker 3: is the sexiest thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: No, that, And then I was like, well, we're in
Speaker 2: love probably, Oh man, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: Love? For that was amazing? That was the best date.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That was a great date. Men should be
Speaker 3: not afraid to cry. I feel like I'm out here
Speaker 3: telling my secrets. I'm out here telling everything, and I
Speaker 3: just get like the most boring is nothing, just absolutely
Speaker 3: nothing back.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I hope my boyfriends. I'm out at
Speaker 2: me for saying this, but I told him I told
Speaker 2: him something about my life m and he like teared
Speaker 2: up and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, that makes men cry on dates. I love this.
Speaker 3: I need to make more men cry. You gotta just
Speaker 3: like really be available. That's like the best I think dates.
Speaker 2: What is cool about dates is that it is like
Speaker 2: a weird side plot where you can really you kind
Speaker 2: of have like leeway to ask anything you want.
Speaker 1: There's no like polite yeah, like oh, like we're coworkers.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to like pry or like, oh
Speaker 2: we're friends, so I'm going to like stay away from
Speaker 2: like this topic because we're just like here to have fun.
Speaker 2: It's like you can really like dig in with someone
Speaker 2: and like really get to know them because that's like
Speaker 2: what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's like I want to know what
Speaker 1: makes you tick, and so that makes you cry, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to make you cry. I'm gonna start sitting
Speaker 1: down and going what makes you cry makes you cry
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna do it right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing I like to ask a room full of
Speaker 2: people is what's your deepest darkest secret?
Speaker 1: Do you ask guys that on dates?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's a lull in conversation, because it usually
Speaker 2: gets a laugh and then they don't really answer, but
Speaker 2: like it's kind of fun to just sort of open
Speaker 2: the door.
Speaker 3: I was at a bar one time and this guy
Speaker 3: was going around asking everyone to write down their deepest
Speaker 3: darkest secret on a piece of paper and then he
Speaker 3: was gonna put it into a cup and then pull
Speaker 3: it out and start reading it to everybody. And he
Speaker 3: did it to like six of This was a bleaker
Speaker 3: street bar, and he did it to like.
Speaker 1: Just a random guy in Galaxy printed leggings. Cauch was crazy.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I was like, he might be from the future, so
Speaker 3: I feel like we should listen to him. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: he pulls out he keeps a pen and paper in
Speaker 3: his pocket. He pulls out pen and paper, gives it
Speaker 3: to us to the table next to us. The table
Speaker 3: next to us, et cetera, gets like thirty six answers,
Speaker 3: comes back and is just reading like the most unbelievably
Speaker 3: fucked up things you've ever heard in your entire life.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it does for him, but this
Speaker 1: is like his This is like his thing that he got.
Speaker 3: So fascinating because then everybody, because you don't know who
Speaker 3: it is, you know, you're in a room full of
Speaker 3: people with these things, with these secrets. It was absolutely insane.
Speaker 3: People were saying the craziest shit. It was like, it
Speaker 3: was crazy.
Speaker 1: What was the craziest thing that they said? Somebody?
Speaker 3: Oh, there was like cooking up with family members. There
Speaker 3: was like somebody somebody like cooked up with their cousin.
Speaker 1: Scary.
Speaker 2: Um.
Speaker 3: There were things like there was like boring things like
Speaker 3: anal like that wasn't exciting. Yeah, And I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think what else. I was just I was more so
Speaker 3: focused on him, like he was the fascinating thing to me,
Speaker 3: Like I was like, I don't care that this girl's
Speaker 3: hooking up with their cousin. I want to know why
Speaker 3: you're out here doing this at a bar during a
Speaker 3: football game in the middle of the day in galaxy leggings.
Speaker 3: He was crazy, and he said, like he gets people
Speaker 3: to admit absolutely anything to.
Speaker 1: Him, So he does that's his special skill. So he knows,
Speaker 1: yes that that is his thing. That he can get
Speaker 1: people to admit anything, and it really is genius. I
Speaker 1: feel like more people should be doing this. He'd be
Speaker 1: a good podcast host. I know. I don't know where
Speaker 1: he is in this world. Yeah, well he's probably a galaxy.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's he can't be picked. Yeah, he doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love connecting with people. I love
Speaker 1: connecting with people.
Speaker 2: And I think one thing that I think drives like
Speaker 2: everything I do, is that I feel crazy all the
Speaker 2: time because I'm like, I'm like, is everyone just feeling
Speaker 2: this and we're all just walking around like nothing's happening,
Speaker 2: Like like everything that happens to me, I'm like shocked by.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh wait, let's talk about this because.
Speaker 2: Like and then I and then I talk about it online,
Speaker 2: are on stage and then everyone's like, oh my god, totally,
Speaker 2: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, so you just weren't gonna say anything. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's why you're so successful is because you are
Speaker 1: like the most relatable.
Speaker 3: Like everything you put online, I'm like, this bitch gets me.
Speaker 3: I just like know what you're talking about, and you
Speaker 3: just like.
Speaker 1: You get it. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Has dating in New York taught you anything about yourself?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I'm so the funny part about it
Speaker 2: is that I'm like, I've never really like dated dated
Speaker 2: like that, Like I don't do that. I like, especially
Speaker 2: now that I have like internet stuff going on. It's
Speaker 2: like super hard to like, I can't really be like
Speaker 2: on hinge because it's just I don't know so many
Speaker 2: people recognize me usual memes they don't or like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just like a weird dynamic.
Speaker 1: And then I just don't really know.
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I know what people want from
Speaker 2: me all the time, which sounds like kind of like
Speaker 2: a crazy thing to say, but I think that's sort
Speaker 2: of complicated thing.
Speaker 1: So I and then I.
Speaker 2: Like, but I guess always I've I've kind of just
Speaker 2: preferred to like keep the circle a little bit tighter
Speaker 2: just because because I was because as every woman has
Speaker 2: been assaulted at one time, that was I've that's been
Speaker 2: my protective mechanism is always like let's let's hang with
Speaker 2: people that you know, like it'd strangers freak me.
Speaker 1: Out, but incredibly fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've always kind of wanted a lot of
Speaker 2: context on somebody before like taking that step with them.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like being online has that taught you
Speaker 1: a lot about yourself?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's been something that's like caused
Speaker 3: like a really big evolution for you For me massively.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 2: I I think it's actually made me like lose myself
Speaker 2: a little bit. Really, yeah, just because like I guess
Speaker 2: I know what my voice is a lot more like creatively,
Speaker 2: like I think I have to like do a lot
Speaker 2: of work to like really touch base with myself.
Speaker 1: And really be like, wait, who are you? What makes
Speaker 1: you laugh? Like whatever? Because I I there's so much exposure.
Speaker 2: And it's hard sometimes to not get tied into like
Speaker 2: outcomes and like oh the Scott views, so like that
Speaker 2: means I'm good, you know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 2: that part is hard not to get sucked into, and
Speaker 2: so it takes work to like be like these are
Speaker 2: my friends, this is my family, m h. These are
Speaker 2: the people that matter in my life, like every day
Speaker 2: that I need to focus on, you know, and then
Speaker 2: everything else is like entertainment and noise and like whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Obviously, it means a lot to me to be able
Speaker 2: to talk the way that I talk, and like share
Speaker 2: the way of share and stuff. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it's I think the cool thing is that just being
Speaker 2: in comedy in general has taught me so much about
Speaker 2: human behavior h and what makes people tick, what's what's
Speaker 2: universal HM, Like I don't necessarily know that something is
Speaker 2: relatable and then I say it and it goes viral
Speaker 2: and then everyone's like commenting and they're like this happened
Speaker 2: to me, and I'm like WHOA, Like that's cool because
Speaker 2: then you're like creating community. But yeah, it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of like a big it's like a it's like being
Speaker 2: in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your experience with it?
Speaker 3: I have found that it has, yes, the lose yourself
Speaker 3: aspect of like trying.
Speaker 1: To please other people and doing things for other people.
Speaker 3: But for me, I've just like met so many people
Speaker 3: in real life through doing it.
Speaker 1: And it's also I thought that it was something that
Speaker 1: was gonna make me crumble.
Speaker 3: And I thought that like criticism or hate or being
Speaker 3: attacked or something would really like break me. And then
Speaker 3: when it didn't, I was like, I don't give a shit. Actually,
Speaker 3: I thought I cared a lot about what other people think,
Speaker 3: and I just realized that I really truly don't even
Speaker 3: a little bit kind of at all, And that was
Speaker 3: something I would have never I would I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: known if I didn't try, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have known if I didn't put myself in
Speaker 3: that position. And then I've had things happen and I've
Speaker 3: been like, just had crazy things happen.
Speaker 1: On the Internet, and I'm just like, oh, I actually don't.
Speaker 3: That means literally nothing to me at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't know that, and that.
Speaker 3: Was something I'm very grateful for from doing being online
Speaker 3: and being on TV just being like, yeah, it really
Speaker 3: means absolutely nothing to me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: You can build boundaries in your own brain, right Yeah, Yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I really have. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: great whatever. I will say, like the hate stuff doesn't
Speaker 2: really bother me. Every once in a while, there's like
Speaker 2: a cat I feel like I've.
Speaker 3: Caught astray here there, and I'm like, oh, yeah, because
Speaker 3: then it's like if it's on your most insecure about
Speaker 3: in the entire world and you never wanted to hear it, yeah,
Speaker 3: And then that's next to a thousand comments of people
Speaker 3: being like you're the best.
Speaker 1: I love you, and then you know, why did they
Speaker 1: say that?
Speaker 2: And it's like one random ass like whatever. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that's not the norm for me.
Speaker 1: Most of the time.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I'm dedicated to like what I think
Speaker 2: is funny, and I think if you just like focus
Speaker 2: on like this is what I'm doing and this is
Speaker 2: what I'm focused on, then like the rest of it
Speaker 2: feels more like noise.
Speaker 3: Think what is something in the next year or things
Speaker 3: in the next year career wise that you want to
Speaker 3: speak into existence?
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I think my next thing is I just don't
Speaker 2: want to get stagnant.
Speaker 1: Right now. I'm in.
Speaker 2: A really like creative period where I want to just
Speaker 2: I want to play and I want to try a
Speaker 2: bunch of things and I don't want to be worried
Speaker 2: about outcomes. I think I got a little bit in
Speaker 2: my head about like I know that face the camera works,
Speaker 2: and like that's that's what I do and I.
Speaker 1: Stand up and blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But like, and I'm always trying new jokes on stage
Speaker 2: because that feels like safe for me because I can
Speaker 2: like fail and people don't necessarily like no or like
Speaker 2: that room full of like forty people or whatever knows,
Speaker 2: but they don't remember and this doesn't really matter.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 2: The Internet feels a lot more like set and Stone
Speaker 2: because you kind of like one shot, like yeah, do
Speaker 2: that and it lives forever. Thing, yes, but also the.
Speaker 1: Internet moves so fast everything get married.
Speaker 2: It's like people don't actually give a shit and they
Speaker 2: don't care, and everyone's worried about their income and their
Speaker 2: boyfriend and they're like mom, you know. It's like so
Speaker 2: you have to remember that too, but like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think the next thing. I think the biggest thing this
Speaker 2: year is just experiment. I just want to see what happens.
Speaker 2: I have some ideas that I'm like trying to build towards,
Speaker 2: Like I want to double down on my podcast and
Speaker 2: like see what's possible there an experiment with mediums. I'm
Speaker 2: writing more sketches, like I'm feeling one filming one after this,
Speaker 2: Like I just want to get freaky on it. I
Speaker 2: want to get kooky. I just want to, Like I
Speaker 2: think it's hard. I think I got a little bit
Speaker 2: focused on like, well, who someone's gonna give me something?
Speaker 1: But I forgot that, like I already have it all,
Speaker 1: I already have everything. I already have a full platform.
Speaker 2: I already have the ability to create anything I want anything,
Speaker 2: and like speak in the way I want.
Speaker 3: I want to start a sub stack. That's what I'm
Speaker 3: speaking into existence. I love it so much. It has
Speaker 3: fulfilled my heart in so many ways. And I know
Speaker 3: that sounds stupid, especially because mine is like very fashioned
Speaker 3: and very much like here's a link.
Speaker 1: But I love it because you can just do like
Speaker 1: whatever whatever you want. You hit new posts and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: I could literally write anything I wanted. And there's times
Speaker 1: where I've sat down to write, like, oh, I'm going
Speaker 1: to write new shopping finds that I found this week,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, I'm actually faring.
Speaker 3: Very emo and I would really like to just talk
Speaker 3: about this. And then I write.
Speaker 1: Something that's like from the heart and I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I just did that, or like
Speaker 1: why I went this route, but it just felt like
Speaker 1: that's not what I want to talk about. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was like, it literally feels like a diary, and
Speaker 1: the audience is very intimate and really sweet and really supportive,
Speaker 1: and it's very like it's very curated you're kind of
Speaker 1: getting like the upper echelon of the Internet, not the
Speaker 1: like people with fake Nobody has a fake substack so
Speaker 1: they can hate you know what I mean. You're getting
Speaker 1: the people who really want to read what other people
Speaker 1: have to say and are genuinely interested. It's not like
Speaker 1: there's no trolls yet, it's not right, So it's literally
Speaker 1: just people who want to be there and they like.
Speaker 2: To want to read, Like paragraphs is something you have
Speaker 2: to sort of have a certain amount of like care
Speaker 2: and attention you want to give it so.
Speaker 1: And you really feel like you know the pert.
Speaker 3: I've read things that people people will write really deep
Speaker 3: personal essays on there and you read it, You're like, wow,
Speaker 3: I really feel like I know her, And you would
Speaker 3: never feel that way through looking at a TikTok even
Speaker 3: listening to someone's story time. It's not the same as
Speaker 3: reading their words. It really like draws you to them.
Speaker 2: You must start a substack because I wanted to start
Speaker 2: experimenting with personal essays because I do a lot of
Speaker 2: writing on my own just.
Speaker 1: To like figure out where I'm at, Like I journal
Speaker 1: a ton.
Speaker 2: And then like I'll sort of pick out funny things
Speaker 2: from here and there, and that's like how I write
Speaker 2: and evolve. But yeah, but I was like that also
Speaker 2: like liberates me from having to write something that's like
Speaker 2: funny funny, funny, funy, funny all the way through.
Speaker 3: And you can It's not one of those things where
Speaker 3: like with TikTok there, it's not like, oh, if you
Speaker 3: don't produce the same thing every week, it doesn't you
Speaker 3: know what I mean TikTok and Instagram, it's like you
Speaker 3: have to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: We on our consistency. We like consistency. If it works,
Speaker 1: we want you to give it to us. You could
Speaker 1: like write an experiment about a stand up thing you
Speaker 1: had one day. You could write like, oh, I thought
Speaker 1: of the funniest joke and write that and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, how hilarious is this?
Speaker 3: And then you could be like, here's something that I
Speaker 3: really want to talk about that I think we need
Speaker 3: to discuss and people will stick by and read it.
Speaker 3: It is like it's literally like a diary and the
Speaker 3: people that are reading it really want to read it.
Speaker 3: You're not like forcing it on them, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They're like want to be very opting in
Speaker 3: it has been it sounds so stupid, especially if you
Speaker 3: saw my substock because it's literally the.
Speaker 1: It girl guide. It's like, not my life. You're like,
Speaker 1: buy this topic. I'm literally like this. I'm like, here's
Speaker 1: the link for the Twitter. I'm Wally.
Speaker 3: But it's just cool to do whatever you want because
Speaker 3: you're not. Everything else is like you have to give
Speaker 3: Instagram what it wants, you have to give TikTok what
Speaker 3: it wants, you have to cons you can just like
Speaker 3: do what I love that And people are really well
Speaker 3: read on there, and people write really beautiful things, and
Speaker 3: it just I really feel like it is It's like
Speaker 3: a subsection of the Internet that I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 3: want to talk to these people. I want to talk
Speaker 3: to people who actually like read a book and go outside.
Speaker 3: It's those people that I think you would love it,
Speaker 3: and I will subscribe and I will read. I want
Speaker 3: to read your personal essays. I feel like the manifest
Speaker 3: your emotions. You can really put yourself and your feelings
Speaker 3: into it exactly. And I also write poems, so you're
Speaker 3: a Shakespearean girl, we know this. No literally poems actually,
Speaker 3: I see also a lot of poems on there, great
Speaker 3: a lot of poems, and I see people reshare them
Speaker 3: to TikTok and they like people really really resonate that,
Speaker 3: like people do entire TikTok pages that are just like
Speaker 3: poems I read on substock this week.
Speaker 1: WHOA Like I feel like that's where a lot of.
Speaker 3: Poetry is probably living on the Internet these days, because
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because it's super vulnerable to share that side of myself.
Speaker 2: But also, like I've written, not every poem I write
Speaker 2: is good, but like some of them, I'm like, this
Speaker 2: this actually is bigger, has legs or I think could
Speaker 2: be nice to share.
Speaker 3: And you have options if you want to put things
Speaker 3: behind a paywall, or if you don't, and some of
Speaker 3: the benefits of putting it behind a pay walls, then
Speaker 3: it's only your paid subscribers too, So like some people
Speaker 3: do write, I don't judge when people put the really
Speaker 3: intimate stuff behind a pay wall, because I'm like, maybe
Speaker 3: they just want to make sure that only the people
Speaker 3: who really want to read it are reading it. I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think's because they want to make money off
Speaker 3: of it. They already have those subs, So like you
Speaker 3: can decide is this something I want to talk to?
Speaker 3: Like these hundred people, or do I want to send
Speaker 3: this to every I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I am a I am a big advocate. I feel
Speaker 3: like every woman should have like her own little blog
Speaker 3: where she can talk.
Speaker 1: You know, girls, girls should have blogs. Girls should have
Speaker 1: It's so true. Men should not, well some men some
Speaker 1: mentioned No, actually I shan't know.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I don't. I don't want to read
Speaker 3: what you have to say.
Speaker 1: I've heard it. I've seen every book. I've seen it
Speaker 1: all being flooded. Yes, we know how you feel.
Speaker 3: Okay, last question, Okay, who do you think is the
Speaker 3: ultimated girl and why does she inspire you? Oh?
Speaker 1: My god? Who's the ultimated girl? And it can be many.
Speaker 1: It does not have to be a celebrity.
Speaker 3: It can be someone close to you, can just it
Speaker 3: could be a comedian who you feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: did something for you and your career in a way.
Speaker 3: So it can be anybody doesn't even have to be
Speaker 3: a real person.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna be this is so like cheesy, lame
Speaker 2: my mom. No, that's great, I think my mom.
Speaker 1: I'll cry. I'm about to cry. I I'm I'm gonna cry.
Speaker 1: The wait, why am I crying? So awesome. I've never
Speaker 1: really talked about Wait, that's so crazy. This question is
Speaker 1: meant to be, Like the whole point of the question
Speaker 1: is You're supposed to talk about a woman that like
Speaker 1: changed your life and say something nice about another woman,
Speaker 1: And that's emotional.
Speaker 3: Peak behind the garden of like who I am actually
Speaker 3: is like me, I'm crying all the time.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: I'm also gonna get my period like tomorrow, so just
Speaker 2: know that. Take this with a grain of salt. No,
Speaker 2: I think my mom is amazing. My mom is like
Speaker 2: the like most solid and like strong person, and she's
Speaker 2: such a great mother and she's so dedicated to like
Speaker 2: to her children and so altruistic.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Queen, I didn't know we had tosses. I would
Speaker 1: have to get RAI. This is like the craziest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever done. I've literally like cried on TV.
Speaker 3: It's okay, immediately I'm like known as the girl that
Speaker 3: cried on TV.
Speaker 1: Now that's like my claim to fay I were if
Speaker 1: I were on somehow, I would cry.
Speaker 3: I was the first person to ever cry the first day,
Speaker 3: that's really and I.
Speaker 1: Cried every day after that. So oh good.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, No, I think Also my mom, she is
Speaker 3: she worked in a male works in a male dominated industry.
Speaker 1: She's she.
Speaker 2: Has I think she just has a really strong sense
Speaker 2: of self and it's so just like she so just
Speaker 2: like loves to laugh and loves to be open, and
Speaker 2: like she's so loving, and they clearly.
Speaker 3: Shaped who you are, and it shaped the fact that
Speaker 3: you were able to go into it. And I do
Speaker 3: think that every anytime a woman goes into a male
Speaker 3: dominated an industry, it like has a it's a domino effect,
Speaker 3: like it wouldn't happen without that woman and that woman
Speaker 3: before her and that one before her.
Speaker 1: So that is a big deal. That's a huge part
Speaker 1: of your life, right, she clearly inspired that.
Speaker 2: And also I think she works really hard to make
Speaker 2: sure that my priorities were like what I want and
Speaker 2: not get caught up in like you know, this is
Speaker 2: what everyone's doing, and like everyone's getting married at twenty nine,
Speaker 2: so like you have to get married, Like that was
Speaker 2: never part of my Like, like my mom just like
Speaker 2: wants to make sure that I'm good and like I
Speaker 2: am happy, and like she's so encouraging and she's so loving,
Speaker 2: and she just like will listen to me complain about
Speaker 2: everything forever and just like be such a good sounding
Speaker 2: board and like such a strong presence in my life.
Speaker 2: But also just I think just the way that she
Speaker 2: interacts with like the people in her life is just
Speaker 2: such an amazing thing to watch because she's so calm
Speaker 2: and like nothing gets to her. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it does, and she's my mom, so she like pretends
Speaker 2: it doesn't. God, I wish I had that power, I know,
Speaker 2: because I also think that everything gets to me.
Speaker 1: You go, everything gets to me, and you can tell
Speaker 1: within three second.
Speaker 2: And I have no poker face, but like my mom
Speaker 2: can just like she just can sort of zoom out
Speaker 2: and like really stay even killed and like and yeah,
Speaker 2: and like when she's with you, like you feel like
Speaker 2: you're the only personal world because she's like will give
Speaker 2: everybody so much attention to and you can feel her
Speaker 2: like the way that she loves. I'm like, no one,
Speaker 2: no one has anything bad to say about my mom,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's so nice. And I just think that
Speaker 2: she has such strong like values and priorities, and I
Speaker 2: think that that's really beautiful and I'm just so lucky.
Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. She sounds so magnetic. She that's an
Speaker 1: IT girl. That's the best answer. I would love your mom.
Speaker 1: She sounds incredible.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: I hope I get to meet her. Sounds like an
Speaker 3: amazing IT girl. What's her name? Barbara, Barbara? Shout out Barbara,
Speaker 3: shout out Barbara. Ultimately girl, Barbara.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love her to talk about my family that much,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's yeah, she's she's the best.
Speaker 3: And it's funny too, because like I'll tease my I mean,
Speaker 3: I do talk about my family a little, like I'll
Speaker 3: tease my dad online or like in some of my
Speaker 3: jokes in my set, and I literally have nothing to
Speaker 3: say about my mom because I'm like, she's just kind of.
Speaker 1: Like perfect, and I know, I I guess like a
Speaker 1: lot of people.
Speaker 2: Say that about their parents or like, especially when you're younger,
Speaker 2: you're like, well my parents are perven, but like I'm
Speaker 2: nurse okay and totally but like yeah, no, I just
Speaker 2: feel like, I mean, yes, everyone is flawed, but I
Speaker 2: think I don't know, I just think that my mom
Speaker 2: has just done like a lot of you know, enough
Speaker 2: work on herself to not be and she's I'm not
Speaker 2: not flawed at all, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like she's just she's really special, powerful and just like
Speaker 2: likes to read and like hang out with my dad
Speaker 2: and I think and my dog and go to lunch
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, Barbara, we love you. Where were
Speaker 1: your special girl and a true A girl? And that's
Speaker 1: that's really.
Speaker 3: What being an A girl is in my opinion. That's
Speaker 3: that's the whole point of this. The whole point of
Speaker 3: why we're here is to shout out these amazing women. Okay,
Speaker 3: not to switch gears on you harshly here, but yeah,
Speaker 3: do you want to shout out your socials.
Speaker 1: Crying about my mom on the A Girl Podcast? Yes?
Speaker 2: I uh vetsy get on Instagram and ye have it
Speaker 2: on TikTok y e v I t randomly, but if
Speaker 2: you look up Eve, it'll come up. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to see me on tour,
Speaker 2: that's I'm touring the country right now and you should
Speaker 2: come out to a show.
Speaker 1: And also I'm doing a regular show in New York,
Speaker 1: so if you're in New York, freaking come.
Speaker 3: I love it fantastic, Thank you so much for coming today.
Speaker 3: I had so much fun with you. You're the best
Speaker 3: and I love getting my new York, my funny New
Speaker 3: York at girls. That means so much to me.
Speaker 1: And although I really wasn't funny today on this podcast,
Speaker 1: but hey, she might cry on tour. Go see here,
Speaker 1: go watch me try.
Speaker 2: One thing is usually I laugh until I cry on podcasts,
Speaker 2: and then the leak the last two I did.
Speaker 1: I have this one included.
Speaker 3: I have cried, cried, so you know what, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I cried before I got here. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Oh good, Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is because we keep not eating and just
Speaker 2: this is where it comes out.
Speaker 1: This is it.
Speaker 2: And then we cry just caffeine and no food at all,
Speaker 2: and then you're like, why am I so cryy today?
Speaker 1: We're doing the best that we can. Okay, we're New York,
Speaker 1: We're just women in New York City. This is so hard.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and stay tuned next
Speaker 1: week for another It Girl Girl
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