Speaker 1: Indies recently rediscovered swings, like just how fun swings are,
Speaker 1: and so I took them, took them to our park
Speaker 1: and you know, we walked to the park near us
Speaker 1: and I was putting them on the swings, and then
Speaker 1: I was thinking about our rope swing. Do you guys
Speaker 1: remember the rope swing at our house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Redwood chair. Yeah, that was the most that
Speaker 2: was the most fun thing ever. And the next time
Speaker 2: I went it had been taken down because somebody had
Speaker 2: broken their arm.
Speaker 1: No, they're back.
Speaker 2: Oh even better, Okay, let.
Speaker 1: Us people breaking their backs around you. Yeah, it's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's an adventure. Yeah. So we had so we where
Speaker 1: we grew up, there was a a guy who owned
Speaker 1: like the acreage below us, and so we would always
Speaker 1: end up on his property. And it was this Russian
Speaker 1: guy named Serge old God, yes, of course it st
Speaker 1: for Sergio. I don't know. We just knew him as
Speaker 1: Papa Surge. That's what we call him.
Speaker 3: Oh my.
Speaker 1: He he was actually, you know, in retrospect, probably the
Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world. But we were terrified of
Speaker 1: him because we were always sneaking onto his property and
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of dogs. But he also had
Speaker 1: this giant rope swing and I don't even know if
Speaker 1: he had put it up or if it was on
Speaker 1: the property left over from loggers, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it swung out over this lake on his property, and
Speaker 1: we knew about, you know, he would bring us out.
Speaker 1: We would go over there with our parents as kids
Speaker 1: and like, swing on this rope swing. It was epic.
Speaker 1: You could let go of the rope and jump in
Speaker 1: the water. And then, of course as we got older,
Speaker 1: we started sneaking over at night to swing on the
Speaker 1: swing at night, and that became like we would be
Speaker 1: each other and go and do it, and we'd be
Speaker 1: terrified of the dogs and the surge going to catch us.
Speaker 2: So what time was this, Like how old were you
Speaker 2: and at what time were you sneaking out of your parents'
Speaker 2: house at night to break into a neighbor's yard that
Speaker 2: had violent dogs to swing on a rope.
Speaker 1: So we started camping out in our meadow at the
Speaker 1: base of the edge of our property, and that so
Speaker 1: we would already be there like on the edge of
Speaker 1: the property, and then it would be like you want
Speaker 1: to make a mission, and so that would be ten
Speaker 1: eleven years old. That started and then we would you know,
Speaker 1: big camp out. Sometimes it would be like ten of us,
Speaker 1: sometimes it would just be three of us, four of us.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so then we would start to make
Speaker 1: missions into the woods, into surges woods and try and
Speaker 1: find the ropes swing in the dark and like at night,
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't use our flashlights to be terrified of
Speaker 1: getting caught. And then we'd swing on the ropes wing
Speaker 1: and it was like so exciting but also you know, terrified.
Speaker 1: And then when we were when I was, I guess
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, so Shiloh would have been. He was
Speaker 1: definitely sixteen at the time. So yeah, so he's sixteen,
Speaker 1: and he decided that we should have our own ropes
Speaker 1: wing on our property. And so he did all this
Speaker 1: research and figured out how to build this incredible ropes
Speaker 1: swing that required He had a friend who worked for
Speaker 1: a tree trimming company or whatever. So they got the
Speaker 1: like the spikes that you wear on your feet that
Speaker 1: you can stop kidding me what they got professional tree
Speaker 1: climbing equipment, climbed two redwoods on either side or like
Speaker 1: overlooking our meadow, climbed like one hundred feet in the air,
Speaker 1: and installed cable so there were two cables running from
Speaker 1: two trees to a middle point, and then the rope
Speaker 1: hung down from that, and then we set up a
Speaker 1: ladder that was a ten foot twelve foot orchard ladder
Speaker 1: on the edge of the woods or on the edge
Speaker 1: of the meadow, and so you would climb up the
Speaker 1: ladder and then jump on this ropes wing and just
Speaker 1: or out over the meadow. And then we didn't have
Speaker 1: to go to searches anymore. Then we had our own
Speaker 1: ropes swing where we were camping, like where we would camp.
Speaker 1: So it just became like what we would do with
Speaker 1: everybody who cameboard or our property. We would like at
Speaker 1: some point we'd be going swinging, and it became like
Speaker 1: people were doing flips off of it. People got really
Speaker 1: good and tricky. Let's see, Yes, one person broke their arm.
Speaker 1: As we were kids, they fell off, okay. And then
Speaker 1: when I was doing the graduate tour, you know, we
Speaker 1: had a big party because we did we opened the
Speaker 1: show in San Francisco, So I invited the entire cast
Speaker 1: up to our house for a big like barbecue cookout
Speaker 1: day and night, and like you know, it was like
Speaker 1: thirty or forty of us and it was a great
Speaker 1: day and the rope swing was a big part of
Speaker 1: the day. We all went down and we all went
Speaker 1: on the ropes swing, and there was one guy who
Speaker 1: was he was the male swing, so he was the
Speaker 1: understudy for all the male parts. You know, you have
Speaker 1: your swing, which is the person who just has to
Speaker 1: step in in case anybody was sick or injured for
Speaker 1: any of the parts. Ironic, He yeah, exactly, and he
Speaker 1: loved the rope swing. And we realized at one point,
Speaker 1: like it we had all had dinner and all been
Speaker 1: hanging out the house and we realized he was missing,
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, he went down to swing
Speaker 1: on the ropes swing again. So a bunch of us
Speaker 1: like got together and sure enough found him like swinging
Speaker 1: in the rope swing, and then we all started taking
Speaker 1: turns and then he i was like, you know, after
Speaker 1: about thirty minutes of swinging together, he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me go one more time, and he jumped on
Speaker 1: it and it snapped and he fell from jumping off
Speaker 1: of the like ten foot ladder onto the thing and
Speaker 1: then just hit the ground, landed on his butt, and
Speaker 1: just immediately we knew it was it was bad. So
Speaker 1: we're like running through the woods. We'd get the car
Speaker 1: down there, we'd load him up. He's like, he's in
Speaker 1: so much pain, and yeah, sure enough he broke his
Speaker 1: back and he couldn't do the tour like it was awful.
Speaker 4: So the rope swing is no way. I'm confused. You
Speaker 4: said that it would go out over a meadow, so
Speaker 4: it wasn't. But people would flip off of it, so
Speaker 4: it wasn't into water.
Speaker 1: No. People figured out how to do tricks and like
Speaker 1: dangle from it, you know, by their knees or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Shiloh can probably speak to it more,
Speaker 1: but like I mean, I was just a I was
Speaker 1: a pretty basic rope swinger, you know. I just kind
Speaker 1: of like to go out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's all I like to do too. That's
Speaker 3: that was enough for me.
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. And yeah, I remember when
Speaker 1: we did grinders, we had the ramps set up down
Speaker 1: there and the rope swing was there, so we would
Speaker 1: all like between shooting, everybody that was also ride in
Speaker 1: ramps with bikes and rollerblades and skateboards would also be
Speaker 1: swinging on the ropes. Tra I mean, our house was
Speaker 1: just the death drop.
Speaker 4: It should change it from redwood Shire to like bone
Speaker 4: breaker tents or whatever.
Speaker 1: Just break something when you come there.
Speaker 4: We had we had we had something very similar here,
Speaker 4: but it was out over water, right. And then the
Speaker 4: best we had trellis ones too, where you know, you'd
Speaker 4: go to like a a creek or something where there
Speaker 4: was a bridge and you jump off the very dangerous
Speaker 4: rickety bridge to think or the brave kids would I'd
Speaker 4: be like, wow, look at them jumping, but yeah.
Speaker 1: That always jump off a bridge and you didn't do it.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I was the guy who was not jumping
Speaker 4: off the bridge. I was always the guy who was
Speaker 4: who was too scared to do the kind of like.
Speaker 1: Hey man, we're gonna race, or we're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: we're off.
Speaker 3: To the side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, mutual killing myself, but I'd like to do
Speaker 4: it slowly.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hurt myself like jumping off a
Speaker 1: bridge or something.
Speaker 4: By the way, have you, either of you been on
Speaker 4: a swing set recently?
Speaker 3: Yeah? They make me a little dizzy.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, do you now get nauseous like
Speaker 4: I do on the swing a little bit?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was gonna happen because I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: come on, but it does.
Speaker 1: It's a little that's a real thing. Yeah, real thing.
Speaker 1: I felt the same way.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, swings are so much fun.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, this is wow. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 4: now completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You guys had much more adventurous childhoods than I did.
Speaker 2: I liked to go to the mall.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you had your mall.
Speaker 3: I had my mall.
Speaker 1: And it depends.
Speaker 2: Give me nice the coffee, being nice blendids and being
Speaker 2: for BRA's at Victoria's Secret, and watching X Files with
Speaker 2: my family and having sleepovers on the phone to Andy.
Speaker 2: That was just you know, that was that was my childhood.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I do miss the ropes wing. I actually
Speaker 2: didn't remember that the ropes swing. It snapped in half.
Speaker 2: I thought he like fell off, not the thing actually disconnected.
Speaker 3: Did they sue you? Yeah, oh wow, they really wait
Speaker 3: to bury the lead.
Speaker 1: I know, well, I mean, you know, I mean, and
Speaker 1: it was one of those things. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you knew what you were doing. But of course,
Speaker 1: like he had a I mean yeah, like there's a
Speaker 1: piece of equipment on your property, and he was like
Speaker 1: we talked about it later, like I ended up meeting
Speaker 1: up with the tour later. He did end up going
Speaker 1: back to the tour like after I left and working
Speaker 1: and get you know, but yeah, he sued. He sued us,
Speaker 1: and we lost our insurance. We had to you know,
Speaker 1: like whatever they settled our insurance luckily settled for us,
Speaker 1: but then dropped us and we had to get rid
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 3: Ropes wing and like buy ropes wing.
Speaker 4: That is the difference when you grow up with your
Speaker 4: parents as lawyers. We had a trampoline that no one
Speaker 4: was allowed to go on unless they signed a waiver.
Speaker 4: Right seriously, I had a waiver to go on.
Speaker 1: We would have had waivers right like yeah you have
Speaker 1: to or even like a poster a sign that said
Speaker 1: you swing at your own risk or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, welcome to Podmeets World.
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm rather or strong, I'm wil Ferdell. Guys,
Speaker 1: what the kids want to jump? Again and again and again.
Speaker 3: Well, now that Will doesn't have COVID. He wants to jump.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to jump without that sneeze that wouldn't go everywhere.
Speaker 1: Six months later, the tour is back.
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Speaker 2: It would be almost impossible to be a regular listener
Speaker 2: of Podme's World and not already know almost everything about
Speaker 2: this week's guest. He wrote, a unicycle, he juggled, He
Speaker 2: dressed like a very cool miming clown. He apparently broke
Speaker 2: to Hillary Tuck's heart. He shared a secret childhood pony
Speaker 2: with his brother. He loved Hacky Sack and dungeons and dragons.
Speaker 3: He went down a fiberglass slide naked. Listen.
Speaker 2: I could go on and on, but you probably already
Speaker 2: know that I am talking about Rider's brother, actor, director,
Speaker 2: and photographer Shiloh Strong.
Speaker 3: He was raised in the woods as a knife carrying hooligan.
Speaker 2: He traveled to Hollywood alongside my co host here to
Speaker 2: chase a dream and ended up starring in the often
Speaker 2: mentioned The Mommies, with appearances on Third Rock from the Sun,
Speaker 2: Dinotopia twenty four, and CSI, before transitioning behind the camera,
Speaker 2: where he teamed up with writer to direct fifteen episodes
Speaker 2: of Girl Meets World. He has since focused on photography.
Speaker 2: But today we are here to talk about life at
Speaker 2: redwood Shire, always standing out in our nineties kid actor crew,
Speaker 2: and what it was like being one half of the
Speaker 2: fabulous Strong Brothers.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: A man whose ears must have been ringing twice a
Speaker 2: week for the past two years.
Speaker 3: It's Shiloh Strong.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's listened to the podcast. Oh I
Speaker 1: have listened to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have listened to the podcast?
Speaker 1: I have a few. Yeah, sorry, I mean you guys
Speaker 1: have made so many now it's you know.
Speaker 3: It's hard to keep up with two a week.
Speaker 1: You guys are doing two a week really? Ye oh no,
Speaker 1: it's it's been great. I mean the few I have
Speaker 1: listened to, it's just and you listening to the Hillary
Speaker 1: Talk one? Right? I did? Yes, lieut present classic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a question I have way later, but
Speaker 2: since it came up again.
Speaker 3: Let's just talk about it real quick. Hillary Talk.
Speaker 2: Was it the dinner at her house that that made you?
Speaker 2: Was that the breaking point?
Speaker 3: Because she thinks it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean it's funny because yeah, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: well it was like at that period, I was like,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I was nineteen, I think, And
Speaker 1: if you remember writer, do you remember the rope swing
Speaker 1: broke on me that summer? I just didn't just talking
Speaker 1: about that literally on YouTube and we built it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, So like I was out there, it was
Speaker 1: like me and Nate and Matt and we were out
Speaker 1: there and I came up and came back and broke
Speaker 1: and I slammed into the ground. I thought for sure
Speaker 1: I broke my back, like it was so bad. So
Speaker 1: I went to the emergency room and they're scanning and
Speaker 1: doing CT scans and everything, and it came back and
Speaker 1: it said it wasn't broken, but it was like bruised
Speaker 1: really bad. I couldn't get out of bed for like
Speaker 1: seven days. And that was when I had this plan
Speaker 1: to go to Texas with Hillary and I was going
Speaker 1: to drive out there with my friend to do this
Speaker 1: whole cross country trip. But because my back was so
Speaker 1: messed up, I was just on viking in and like
Speaker 1: just a mess. And then I ended up flying out
Speaker 1: to meet her out there, and we hadn't seen each
Speaker 1: other in a long time, and it had never been
Speaker 1: like an official that we were together, I guess, And
Speaker 1: it was just one of those classic like you know,
Speaker 1: jackass nineteen year old guys like well if we never
Speaker 1: really talked about it, then it's not official, you know, like,
Speaker 1: which is a classic guy moved to do because and
Speaker 1: that so then when I got out there and it
Speaker 1: was very much I mean, you know, her family was
Speaker 1: very conservative, very Texas, right, you know, and she felt
Speaker 1: like she was introducing you to her family potentially as
Speaker 1: like boyfriend partner rightly, which you know, she's coming from
Speaker 1: a traditional family upbringing in that world, which you know,
Speaker 1: if you bring in this guy into that space, it's like,
Speaker 1: this means a lot. And for me, I grew up like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: everybody's just here at redwood Shire and we do this thing,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's just yeah, but you know it
Speaker 1: was awful because I really did care about her a
Speaker 1: lot and was you know, yeah, she's wonderful, She's always
Speaker 1: been wonderful, and.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was I say, from this point forward,
Speaker 2: we just blamed the vicodin Yeah, to the everybody's backs and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's had break your back in your heart that rope.
Speaker 1: So I'll tell it. That's that's amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm just the opposite childa by the way, I if
Speaker 4: I don't discuss it with a woman, then I just
Speaker 4: assume we're in a relationship.
Speaker 1: That's exactly I.
Speaker 4: Don't want to hear. I don't want to hear that
Speaker 4: she doesn't want me there, because then I get all
Speaker 4: the like, what are you doing in my house? How
Speaker 4: did you get in here? Like all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: A lot. Yes, Sue doesn't know we're married, so don't
Speaker 1: say anything.
Speaker 3: She's like, I love this shiny ring. You got me?
Speaker 1: Yes, seriously. I was like, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 4: Oh, but to keep the ring, you have to sign
Speaker 4: this piece of paper in front of my dad, in
Speaker 4: front of all our friends.
Speaker 1: She's like, all right, so mum's the word. All right.
Speaker 2: So Shiloh, there's another question. I just want to get
Speaker 2: out of the way now. It is a question our
Speaker 2: listeners have been hoping to ask you for a while. Now. Oh, really,
Speaker 2: did you know your brother had a grappling hook?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, he found it. He's the one who found it.
Speaker 1: I found just recently. I found that. Yeah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: uh no, I remember because you built it in like
Speaker 1: welding class, right, class with class. Yeah, so like the
Speaker 1: school and I'm sure you guys have heard about none such,
Speaker 1: but like the that we went to, Like it was
Speaker 1: like it was built on this crazy hill in the
Speaker 1: Redwood forest and there was like this art studio down
Speaker 1: on the bottom where they did pottery, and that's where
Speaker 1: the did welding too. Wright right, yeah, until they got
Speaker 1: shut down. They shut it down. But you have to
Speaker 1: class because that would have been awesome. There was a
Speaker 1: rope swimming, There was a climbing wall. We built our
Speaker 1: own climbing while the students we all built the handholds
Speaker 1: for it in pottery class and then put it on
Speaker 1: the wall. And we had a climbing class, like we
Speaker 1: actually learned how to rock climb, but it was all
Speaker 1: like with our own handles.
Speaker 4: Was Robert the teacher, Yeah, Robert and the teacher teachers
Speaker 4: were all where all your teachers called by their first name.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, and you know, Ocean's visiting me right
Speaker 1: now in l A. He was. I walked out the door.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, have a strophy right recording and
Speaker 1: we were reminiscing and Shiloh Chris recently reached out to
Speaker 1: him about starting up a backgrounother. Yeah, Chris, who was
Speaker 1: like one of our favorite teachers who like we just
Speaker 1: he's a legend. He's changed his name though, he's Kestrel now,
Speaker 1: ye isn't it. So I can't wait to send him
Speaker 1: because I was like, you have his email address, I'm
Speaker 1: going to email him. Yeah, but we were reminiscent about
Speaker 1: the school last night. Yeah, so it was Chris. Robert
Speaker 1: Lynn was the principal who ran the school, was at
Speaker 1: her house. Yeah, so we knew them all by their
Speaker 1: first names, and they were all like pretty amazing people
Speaker 1: and you know, super interesting and like it was yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean ocean. And I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: the last couple of days reminiscing about it, and it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting space.
Speaker 4: I'm not entirely sure any of my teachers had first names. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: like they were born mister whatever, missus whatever. I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the idea where it's like, this is my teacher, Robert
Speaker 4: is crazy.
Speaker 1: Robert was an ex Navy seal and like we we
Speaker 1: just Robert was the best because he was so smart.
Speaker 1: He's brilliant, but you could just get him to talk
Speaker 1: about anything. So we always knew we wouldn't have to
Speaker 1: do biology or whatever. If we could just start, like
Speaker 1: asking him about Vietnam. He was just like he would
Speaker 1: just go on and we'd learn a lot, but no
Speaker 1: biology would be that done. That day. It was amazing.
Speaker 2: I want to get to why the welding studio may
Speaker 2: have been shut down there.
Speaker 1: Inspector came through. Yeah I know, I remember, and I
Speaker 1: was so pissed because I was really into it and
Speaker 1: Robert was amazing, and and Tim got really into it.
Speaker 1: To remember, Tim Saluzzo, we were like the welding like kids,
Speaker 1: and we would build all these things and and then
Speaker 1: the next year it was like now the state or city,
Speaker 1: show state or.
Speaker 4: Whatever, no open flames, the middle of the forest, the
Speaker 4: people thinking my way out of here.
Speaker 1: It's a pretty incredible group of people. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing opportunity to be there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chilo.
Speaker 2: It's also worth mentioning that Will and I did not
Speaker 2: know that you two had a pony. That was a
Speaker 2: real like shocking revelation to us on the podcast.
Speaker 1: And thrown out sentence like.
Speaker 2: Susie our pony. Right, Yeah, do you have some fond
Speaker 2: memories of Susie as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I remember when she stepped on my foot,
Speaker 1: which that's pretty dense.
Speaker 3: We didn't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can't know. She was great, Like I
Speaker 1: can't remember how we ended up getting a rider because
Speaker 1: she was really old when she came to us. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was a neighbor. It was a neighbor
Speaker 1: who was getting rid of her and we were and
Speaker 1: the parents were like, whoa, well, we'll take the pony
Speaker 1: and we already had the barn. Did our parents build
Speaker 1: the barn. They must have built. Yeah, they sure they
Speaker 1: built the barn. I guess for Susie. Totally the real
Speaker 1: The The thing about Susie, the story about Susie is
Speaker 1: that our so, our grandfather, our mom's dad, was like
Speaker 1: a horse fanatic and he had never been able to
Speaker 1: have a horse his entire life, but he had grown
Speaker 1: up working with horses. Well. First of all, he used
Speaker 1: to like he used to like he used to tell
Speaker 1: stories about how he would steal the wagons, like the
Speaker 1: horses at the carriage, like horses been buggies in the
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties or whatever. He would steal like horse and
Speaker 1: buggies and like is he just loved her. And then
Speaker 1: he worked with horses down on.
Speaker 3: Just enjoy riding them.
Speaker 2: Yes, as a kid he would joy steal him to
Speaker 2: sell them or no.
Speaker 1: Just because he loved you know. That was our other grandparents. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. And then so anyway, so Harry just always
Speaker 1: loved horses. And so when we got Susie, Harry and
Speaker 1: Susie had this like special bond and he would always
Speaker 1: just step outside and at our house and say SUSI girl,
Speaker 1: and she would respond, she would answer and then after
Speaker 1: she died, he kept doing it for years every time
Speaker 1: he would step on for Susie. He loved her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would her ghost respond just you know.
Speaker 1: Just terrified with that. Oh, that's a great scary story,
Speaker 1: just to say that, that's a good title for a
Speaker 1: short story there. No, I remember we, like the parents
Speaker 1: always brought her out when we'd have like kid get togethers,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's already us having pony rides at
Speaker 1: redwood Shire and it was like all the kids would
Speaker 1: come over for a birthday party and they'd get put
Speaker 1: on the back of the pony and then walked around
Speaker 1: and you know it was Yeah, it was great. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember feeding her a lot. That was always a chore.
Speaker 1: That was the choice growing up. It was like opening
Speaker 1: the gate feeding Susie. And we'd get a dollar a
Speaker 1: week I think if we didn't. Yeah, big big bucks.
Speaker 1: First job, only real job I've ever had. Yeah. Nice? Nice?
Speaker 1: Did she break your foot child? No? I mean it
Speaker 1: felt like it like it's just it was just so
Speaker 1: intense and then she just you know, and I've heard
Speaker 1: they do that, like they know when they're doing that.
Speaker 1: Somebody told me that a little later. La was like
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Susy didn't like she was. She got
Speaker 1: a little she got a little dramatic when she got older.
Speaker 1: I remember she would like pretend to like fall down
Speaker 1: if we put even a kid on her back. She
Speaker 1: would be like, buckle, Okay, we're not going to ride
Speaker 1: Susie anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, we have talked a lot about the house you
Speaker 2: were raised in, built by hand by your parents, and
Speaker 2: how it really does seem like the antithesis of the
Speaker 2: Hollywood scene. And we know how you guys would travel,
Speaker 2: you know, to and from for auditions. What other memories
Speaker 2: do you have about your time at redwood Shire before
Speaker 2: you officially made the transition down to La.
Speaker 1: Before we made it down to La Gosh, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think. I mean, I have vague memories of the
Speaker 1: house kind of you know, being built, you know, because
Speaker 1: I was only like one year old. I think there
Speaker 1: and then like the pool was always the most amazing
Speaker 1: thing to have. So I remember just splashing in that
Speaker 1: pool when we were kids endlessly or running around and
Speaker 1: like Rder and I would take our hot wheels what
Speaker 1: they called hot wheels, so they were the little yeah,
Speaker 1: we wheeler, little guy and we would go around and
Speaker 1: around this pool, which it's just so funny because looking
Speaker 1: back on it, you know, nowadays you have to build
Speaker 1: like gates and fences and fool covers, and it's like
Speaker 1: you watch these videos and it's like, I swear our
Speaker 1: parents were trying to kill us. I'm just like, like everything,
Speaker 1: you know, there's like construction equipment and trees falling and
Speaker 1: kids running next to pools. And we always watched the
Speaker 1: videos and I'm like, I'm like nervous for these kids,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's us. So I know we
Speaker 1: make it. I know we make it to Okay. It's
Speaker 1: still terrifying, but I think it just, you know, it's
Speaker 1: kind of changed the way we all, you know, have
Speaker 1: let kids do crazy. But yeah, but I mean I
Speaker 1: think it was just the freedom. And I remember like
Speaker 1: the idea of the forest being because we were back
Speaker 1: next to like, you know, probably about twenty plus acres
Speaker 1: I would say, rider like behind us. That was pretty
Speaker 1: much it still is just open forest. So like we
Speaker 1: grew up, I mean, I remember thinking that that went
Speaker 1: on forever and it was this crazy fantasy, dark, scary place,
Speaker 1: you know, but we always and I still have dreams
Speaker 1: about that I don't know. I think we've talked about
Speaker 1: this all the time. Still it's something ingrained of this
Speaker 1: idea of there's something in the forest out there. But
Speaker 1: you know, I always felt so safe because my father
Speaker 1: was always there and mom and so it was you know.
Speaker 1: But and then yeah, we always watched this movie, The
Speaker 1: Wilderness Family. I don't know if you've heard about this.
Speaker 1: It's a series of films. They're incredibly bad. They're they're
Speaker 1: so bad that they're amazing. But like, I like Writer
Speaker 1: and I definitely related to that. When't you say writer,
Speaker 1: that was like, oh story, it was like it was
Speaker 1: like a movie. It's it's this horrible movie. I made
Speaker 1: Indy watch it like a couple of months ago. It
Speaker 1: really couldn't get through it. Oh so you can see
Speaker 1: the boom mic dropping in. Like it was family, a
Speaker 1: series of family films, and it was like an independent
Speaker 1: family film that some like I think like Christian Company
Speaker 1: had made or whatever, and it was actually kind of
Speaker 1: a hit at the time. But they it was about
Speaker 1: a family movie. I think, to Alaska and they they
Speaker 1: in La from La they like lead the big city
Speaker 1: and they go to this and then it's just them
Speaker 1: dealing with the wilderness and all these animal encounters, and
Speaker 1: we like watch these movies all the time and totally
Speaker 1: absorbed it as sort of like a legend of our own.
Speaker 3: Family, like so like that's us, Yes, that's us.
Speaker 1: And we related so much and and yeah, like when
Speaker 1: I rediscovered these movies and like I remember when I
Speaker 1: was like in college, I think I was like, Sheela,
Speaker 1: do you remember the and we got a hold of
Speaker 1: one and we watched it. We were like this explained
Speaker 1: so much, like this is this is why we still
Speaker 1: have bear dreams, even though there aren't really bears up
Speaker 1: in northern callifornia're like where we were, Yeah there have
Speaker 1: been some, but but we were like always worried about
Speaker 1: bears and wildcats. And it was like, oh, because we
Speaker 1: watched these freaking films that are supposed to be family films,
Speaker 1: but for us, they were like a horror film of
Speaker 1: what our real life was. But if you remember right
Speaker 1: when we watched them again and like there was no
Speaker 1: like animal child safety on those sets. It's it is terrifying.
Speaker 1: Like there's this one sequence where here's a little girl
Speaker 1: and she's getting attacked by wolves and you like you're
Speaker 1: literally seeing this child like crying on screen, like true fear,
Speaker 1: and there's like coyotes or dogs running around here, and
Speaker 1: like as an adult watching and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: like I have no idea how they shot. They have
Speaker 1: they have raccoons with the kids in bed, they like
Speaker 1: they have all these real animals and you know it's
Speaker 1: pre cg like everything is real, and it's yeah that
Speaker 1: I'm sure that shoot was not following labor laws. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like it.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's like Robinson Crusoe kind of but
Speaker 4: a different, like, you know, a low budget kind of version.
Speaker 4: Let's just get a bunch of wild animals and kids
Speaker 4: and throw them into a Okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, we also heard all about the movies that you
Speaker 2: and your parents would make when you were kids, and
Speaker 2: basically that just kind of set the track for where
Speaker 2: you both ended up. Did it feel like from the
Speaker 2: time you were really young that you and writer were
Speaker 2: just always going to work in the same field in
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think we've traced it back before,
Speaker 1: because we started making the movies when we were you know,
Speaker 1: like four three around there, and then we kept giving
Speaker 1: that every time we'd like, you know, come up with
Speaker 1: an idea and then we'd get together and shoot it
Speaker 1: with the whole family. And then we went We came
Speaker 1: down to La and we must have been like seven,
Speaker 1: I think or eight, yeah, and went to Universal Studios, right,
Speaker 1: and we saw at that time they didn't have the
Speaker 1: water World exhibit, but they did a whole wild West
Speaker 1: like the Stunt Spectacular. Yeah, yeah, of course it was great. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it was great, and we were you know, that was
Speaker 1: our first movie we made. We were cowboys or turned
Speaker 1: Toto superheroes. We were already like into that fight anyway.
Speaker 1: So then I remember we came back and we were like, well,
Speaker 1: how do they do the punching? And we had this
Speaker 1: whole thing where it was like, oh if you who
Speaker 1: told us this, I don't know, but if you put
Speaker 1: a piece of paper under your shirt and then you
Speaker 1: like make a punch and then you slap your chest
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a sounds sounds like a really
Speaker 1: good movie punch. Sound. Yeah, you're not doing fully, that's great. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we we choreographed the whole fight sequence and did
Speaker 1: it for the Talent Show, right, And this what grade
Speaker 1: was that I was in kindergarten. So I was five, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you were in six or seven? Yeah, and we yeah,
Speaker 1: and we we basically built a whole and it was
Speaker 1: like we did a whole choreograph. We also had characters.
Speaker 1: It was our first acting ever really and it just killed, like,
Speaker 1: you know, watching these two kids like beat the crap
Speaker 1: out of each other, and like we had all these
Speaker 1: bits and like I would go like in and in
Speaker 1: and in, and then you'd like punch me and we'd
Speaker 1: roll around, we throw each other, and it was like
Speaker 1: so yeah, we would just commit, you know, and our
Speaker 1: parents helped us like choreograph the whole thing. And then
Speaker 1: I remember when I was like nineteen or something or
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit younger, there was this guy I
Speaker 1: think his name was Jamie, and he was like the
Speaker 1: super tough kind of scary kid, and I remember he
Speaker 1: was like I remember seeing you guys, like he remembered
Speaker 1: that show that we had put off from kindergarten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then every year we would do a different thing
Speaker 1: at the talent show. So we did magic, we did
Speaker 1: we did this the wrestling thing where I was amazing.
Speaker 1: Strong brothers what did you call yourself? Just the strong
Speaker 1: Brother's Magic Show, Strong Brother's Magic Show. Okay, I knew
Speaker 1: there was a title, the Strong Brother's Magic Show. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then we did birthday parties birthday parties to perform there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we started taking acting classes. What was
Speaker 4: your big trick though, Like, what was the ending trick?
Speaker 4: What did you end on?
Speaker 1: Needles the balloon? I was just gonna say that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you pull out you have balloons on our table
Speaker 1: and we would pop a couple of them, and then
Speaker 1: we would bring up someone from the audience using an adult,
Speaker 1: like we brought up our principal or like somebody or
Speaker 1: a parent from what the prince's name was, Yeah, exactly somebody,
Speaker 1: and then we would and then we would take a
Speaker 1: needle and put it through the balloon while they held
Speaker 1: the balloon, and the balloon wouldn't pop, and it was
Speaker 1: like how did they do it? And then we could
Speaker 1: still Yeah it was a whole you know, special a
Speaker 1: special balloon. How did you do it? Okay? It was
Speaker 1: a special thick balloon. So it's like the certain balloons
Speaker 1: that we knew were like you know hidden well oil too,
Speaker 1: do you remember you had You would take the rag
Speaker 1: and you would wipe wipe them across the needle and
Speaker 1: it was like w D forty or something.
Speaker 3: And that helps it go through, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your memories about traveling to LA for
Speaker 2: pilot seasons. Was it like a family trip? Did you
Speaker 2: guys drive down together? What were those like?
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done that drive so many times, it's
Speaker 1: just burn my memory. Like now when I do it,
Speaker 1: actually take the one to one just for a change,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it takes a little bit longer, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I remember it was always so I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny to try and think back on it now
Speaker 1: because I can't believe how much we were doing when
Speaker 1: I think about like how fast things were moving, you know,
Speaker 1: but time is just so different when you're a kid too.
Speaker 1: But it's really made me appreciate what my parents were
Speaker 1: able to do, you know, to be able to adjust
Speaker 1: their schedule, which I mean only you know, because our
Speaker 1: father was a firefighter, he was able to make those
Speaker 1: changes in the schedule. Yeah. Yeah, but I remember the
Speaker 1: oak Woods was kind of our first spot where you know,
Speaker 1: we hunkered down and then it was just always auditioning
Speaker 1: and running around. But I mean, I have positive memories
Speaker 1: of that whole experience because it was we were just
Speaker 1: a group of kids, you know, playing all the time,
Speaker 1: and yeah, so rollerblading, yeah, role Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: rollerbladed so much it was crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the oak Woods. Who who was?
Speaker 3: Who else was there with you? Who was kind of
Speaker 3: like your la oak Wood crew?
Speaker 1: I Rember because we were there a little We'll.
Speaker 3: Just raised his hands.
Speaker 1: Was there? Were you the oak Woods when we started? Boy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why three seventeen? Baby? Why three seventeen?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: That's where Spencer and I lived. Oh that's right, totally
Speaker 1: my first car, Spencer, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that was that was a show. Remember that. I know
Speaker 1: that was a bummer man. Well, yeah, so I I was.
Speaker 1: My first car was a nineteen seventy three Super Beetle
Speaker 1: that Will's best friend Spencer had bought, and it was
Speaker 1: like a convertible nable Beetle. It was so awesome. It
Speaker 1: was sick.
Speaker 4: It had Pender racing, the racing air shift, the racing clutch,
Speaker 4: and there was like some kind of illegal engine in it,
Speaker 4: which we did not know, so.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it smogged, and then it was then
Speaker 1: I ended up having to sell the thing anyway, but
Speaker 1: it was it was the coolest car I was not
Speaker 1: at sixteen, and that car was.
Speaker 4: It was so great and I had to take so Spencer,
Speaker 4: my roommate at the time.
Speaker 1: Spencer bought it, hated it. Had never driven stick before.
Speaker 4: He lived and grew up in New York City and
Speaker 4: then went to college in Pennsylvania, so he never had
Speaker 4: a car or a license until he moved to la
Speaker 4: at twenty seven twenty eight. The first car he got
Speaker 4: was that he couldn't stand it because he hated the
Speaker 4: stick shift. So he took my Selica, which was also
Speaker 4: a stick shift, but a lot easier to use, and
Speaker 4: I use that and so I'd bring that to work.
Speaker 4: And that's when Shiloh, either writer. Shiloh saw it and
Speaker 4: was like, I want that cars like it's my roommates.
Speaker 4: I think he wants to get rid of it. So
Speaker 4: he sold it to Shiloh. And then I get a
Speaker 4: call from Shilah like, dude, I can't smock this car.
Speaker 1: It's illegal.
Speaker 4: I'm like what it's like, but I've been driving this
Speaker 4: thing for months. He's like you've been driving it illegally.
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know what to do. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a whole thing. I was like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. It was crazy California thing too. It
Speaker 1: probably came from another state like this I'm with. It
Speaker 1: was yellow and white, remember that. It was gorgeous looking.
Speaker 1: It was great. It was silo. The big moment that
Speaker 1: like that pulled us into LA was the Dick Tracy audition.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember that? Like, yeah, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I remember the limo ride. That was the big Exactly,
Speaker 1: they sent a rimo to Redwood Shire. So what happened
Speaker 1: is we had gotten you know, we had been doing
Speaker 1: plays locally and there was a local agent who represented
Speaker 1: like you know, mostly background and commercial actors for the
Speaker 1: local area and Sono mccount and she got ahold of
Speaker 1: us and said, oh, they're auditioning for this part in
Speaker 1: the Dick Tracy movie and we can put you on
Speaker 1: tape for it and send it down to LA. And
Speaker 1: so we went and did a whole scene with her.
Speaker 1: Each of us took taking turns and they like had props,
Speaker 1: like we set it up like as actual shoot, and
Speaker 1: then they sent the tape off, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, that would be cool to be in
Speaker 1: a movie or whatever. And that was our first audition
Speaker 1: really and then nothing. And then like six months later,
Speaker 1: we got a call and they were like, can you
Speaker 1: be it? Both of you? It's down to nine kids
Speaker 1: the same part for the same part. Can we bring
Speaker 1: We're gonna fly you guys down to Los Angeles. And
Speaker 1: sure enough, like the next morning, a limo pulled up
Speaker 1: to Redwitchshire, which was just the most like what is happening?
Speaker 1: Hollywood is calling and they wanted, you know, they wanted
Speaker 1: to meet us, and and my mom was there, and
Speaker 1: my dad had just had brain surgery. Oh, he had
Speaker 1: had a brain tumor that Christmas. And so this was
Speaker 1: like January or February. I was nine years old and
Speaker 1: so you were ten, Chilah, and we and my dad
Speaker 1: was like I'm not you know, he was like I
Speaker 1: have to go too, because we're all going as a family.
Speaker 1: But he was still like.
Speaker 3: Completely covering surgery.
Speaker 1: My god. It was awful. And we all flew to
Speaker 1: l A and of course we were just so stoked
Speaker 1: in the limo. I think about how stressed out my
Speaker 1: parents were and that the company would only pay for
Speaker 1: one plane ticket for our parents, so we had to
Speaker 1: like buy a last minute ticket for my dad, which
Speaker 1: costs so much money. And that's how they get, you get.
Speaker 1: So we all went to l and I still remember
Speaker 1: every time I drive by the Universal Sheraton, that hotel
Speaker 1: that we stayed. Yeah, that's and we flew down. They
Speaker 1: picked us up in a limo. They drove us to
Speaker 1: the audition. We had to wait in the waiting room
Speaker 1: and we each read for the kid had a horrible
Speaker 1: experience because the well, they improved and we didn't, you know,
Speaker 1: we had no idea what we were doing. We just
Speaker 1: done plays. We wait, what are you?
Speaker 3: What are you doing there?
Speaker 1: We had the wrong.
Speaker 3: Thages exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Well, do you remember anything about who else was in
Speaker 4: the waiting room with you? I mean it was everybody there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I walked out and said they changed a line,
Speaker 1: So I told everybody, which then prep all the other kids.
Speaker 1: There was one kid who didn't end up getting the part,
Speaker 1: and he was with us a lot and talked to
Speaker 1: us and he was like, they would give this part
Speaker 1: to me, but I'm too tall. So you know, they're
Speaker 1: saying that they could just chop me off at the knees.
Speaker 1: I'd already have the part. He like totally, like you know,
Speaker 1: like a good kid actor, he already knows how to
Speaker 1: work the waiting room, work the waiting room. And then
Speaker 1: we went back to the Universal Sheraton and got the
Speaker 1: call that night that neither of us had gotten the part.
Speaker 1: And then we flew back the next day. But he
Speaker 1: was such a stressful but exciting. And then that was
Speaker 1: like that was when you know, agents and people started
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, these you know, you should come to
Speaker 1: LA And it still took a while. For one thing,
Speaker 1: we worked and I did a couple of commercials and you,
Speaker 1: I think you did too, right, We worked out of
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and then when I didn't, and.
Speaker 4: That was that took over everything for that you know, writer,
Speaker 4: does it ever hit you occasionally though, that when you're
Speaker 4: talking about stories like this, you're essentially Indie's age. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that weird to like look at him
Speaker 4: and be like, Okay, when I was at age, I
Speaker 4: was auditioning for Dick Tracy. It's crazy, I mean, right,
Speaker 4: But it also kind of like because Indy is very performed,
Speaker 4: like I'm like it kind of makes sense. And also,
Speaker 4: like like us, you just realize, like, oh, if if
Speaker 4: a kid can like do this in any capacity, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: you go right to the top. It's not like wanting
Speaker 4: to be in your twenties and wanting to be an
Speaker 4: actor where the pool is so big. When you're a
Speaker 4: kid who can do any of these things, you get
Speaker 4: jobs or you get callbacks because you're rare, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, like we we thought we were
Speaker 4: just doing something that came very naturally, but actually because
Speaker 4: of all the movie making and conversations and you know,
Speaker 4: we just put a lot of energy into acting and
Speaker 4: making up stuff and it paid off.
Speaker 1: You know, it was and it was always fun. It was.
Speaker 1: It was just it was the transportation that was stressful.
Speaker 1: And then I think about it from our parents' perspective,
Speaker 1: it's just, oh my god, I can't commitment. It takes totally.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you think about anybody whose parents
Speaker 1: aren't able to drop everything, because I mean, you guys
Speaker 1: remember those days. I mean you'd get an audition the
Speaker 1: same day, and back then before the fax machine, which
Speaker 1: was so amazing, you'd have to drive to your agent
Speaker 1: to pick up the script and the sides and then
Speaker 1: try and get a coaching or maybe not, and then
Speaker 1: go right to the audition. And we were doing that
Speaker 1: sometimes three times a day, and we're like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: Jeez, I don't miss those days.
Speaker 1: The parent, I like, yeah, doing it as a parent,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, I couldn't see it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do that.
Speaker 4: They'd have to plant because I was I lived three
Speaker 4: hours from New York. They'd have to plan when my
Speaker 4: audition was so i'd have to get the call, all right,
Speaker 4: four days from now you have an audition kind of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: last minute stuff didn't work unless it was for something huge,
Speaker 4: right that My my parents knew that. It was like
Speaker 4: the agent couldn't call and be like we need you
Speaker 4: here tomorrow at eight. It's like, we can't.
Speaker 1: It's not possible.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's weird to hear the la kids though.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're just you run in and you do
Speaker 4: your stuff, you.
Speaker 1: Go back to your life. Yeah, that's I don't remember
Speaker 1: how you got into it. Will I'd be so curious
Speaker 1: to hear how that all came about.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if I thought you listened to
Speaker 4: the podcast Shiloh.
Speaker 2: Season one, episode three about I started the kind of
Speaker 2: the same way you both did, just the East Coast version.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I started on stage in Hartford, and then I get
Speaker 4: auditions in New York and I would get on the
Speaker 4: bus three hours down in New York City and my
Speaker 4: manager would pick me up at the bus and I'd
Speaker 4: walk into the city and they'd say, you know, you're
Speaker 4: too fat, and I'd get back on the bus and
Speaker 4: any cigarettes and I would go back. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: what you know. My my manager wouldn't always.
Speaker 1: Pick me up.
Speaker 4: So by you know, twelve, I was a lot of
Speaker 4: times just walking the city myself, going to my auditions.
Speaker 1: It was great. I wouldn't change a.
Speaker 4: Thing, right again, coming you guys dealt with this when
Speaker 4: you know you love your town's basketball, it's an amazing place.
Speaker 1: But getting out to like a city.
Speaker 4: I had more real life in the four hours I
Speaker 4: was in New York City than you know, a week
Speaker 4: and eight, just because you're around people and culture and
Speaker 4: different languages, different sounds, different smells.
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is just.
Speaker 3: Like figuring it out on your own as a kid.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: Well, we have commonly heard story after story from different
Speaker 2: nineties kid actors we have had where they have a
Speaker 2: story where a certain role came down to them and
Speaker 2: Shiloh Strong. Yes, who do you remember always seeing at auditions?
Speaker 2: And was there anything you didn't book or that you
Speaker 2: came very close to booking that still haunts you?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, jeez, that's a fun question. Oh God, I
Speaker 1: feel bad. I don't remember, honestly, I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 4: But I remember one what you for Eric on board?
Speaker 1: I don't think I did Man.
Speaker 4: But I was told that it was between me and
Speaker 4: Jason for Almost Home.
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds familiar, yes, right?
Speaker 4: And then the next year was also between you, me
Speaker 4: and Jay for for Eric.
Speaker 1: Was I told before I ever got there? Oh, maybe
Speaker 1: they might have just been given you. They might have
Speaker 1: that might they they wanted you to network against Will
Speaker 1: and Jason. And I said, you got because you got
Speaker 1: offered the mommies. The moms gave me off. You didn't
Speaker 1: even have to read for it. That's right, you know what?
Speaker 1: Because I did that pilot odd Man Out, which was awesome,
Speaker 1: which I loved so much, and I was senior at
Speaker 1: the Star of and it was and it was like
Speaker 1: that was and yeah with Hillary Swank, which you know,
Speaker 1: seeing her go on to become a superstar, and it
Speaker 1: was like yeah, like yeah that was that was so
Speaker 1: much fun. Gosh what year was that? Oh god, right
Speaker 1: before Boys two? Really boy Yeah, yeah, you would have
Speaker 1: been shooting it in ninety three, like summer. It was
Speaker 1: a pilot, so it would have been spring of ninety three.
Speaker 1: And then when it didn't get picked up is when
Speaker 1: you got offered the Mommies Mommies or a network test
Speaker 1: to be on Boy Me's World, right, which and I
Speaker 1: remember being like, well, this would be weird if we're
Speaker 1: on the same show. Others, yeah, not playing brothers. I
Speaker 1: remember being I think we've had conversations like it's funny.
Speaker 1: I have a specific memory of being I was up
Speaker 1: at redwood Shire and I remember trying to make that
Speaker 1: decision about whether or not I should go and yeah,
Speaker 1: I do this is this is right? And I remember
Speaker 1: I was climbed a tree because that's what we.
Speaker 3: Did back where you went and thought, of course where
Speaker 3: I would go.
Speaker 1: And think and I remember being like, okay, do I
Speaker 1: want to do this? And I remember I feel like
Speaker 1: we were having conversations. Writer and also with the parents
Speaker 1: just being like, how could we be on the same
Speaker 1: TV show but not be brothers, Like it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense, Like it's just going to be a weird
Speaker 1: thing just from like a r standpoint, So they're not
Speaker 1: really brothers, but I don't know. Yeah, And then I
Speaker 1: was also so sick of auditioning, I think, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was so bummed that Odd Man Out didn't go
Speaker 1: because that had been such a fun project and I
Speaker 1: was so excited about that. And then here was the
Speaker 1: Mommy is where it was like a sure thing and
Speaker 1: it was kind of a smaller part, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I'll just you know, go that run. I
Speaker 1: was also on NBC, which was a better network. I
Speaker 1: remember it was always yeah, considered. Yeah. So then I
Speaker 1: came back and I was like, yeah, no, so yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't think I ever auditioned for it well,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like they offered it to me, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, if that had, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: alternate realities, I don't think the show would have gone if.
Speaker 4: I oh, who knows. I just think I remember looking
Speaker 4: at the two of you though. If this makes sense,
Speaker 4: how I'm going to describe this. If you were the
Speaker 4: same age as you were ten years later, there's no
Speaker 4: way Disney Channel wouldn't have come to you and been like,
Speaker 4: we want to do a brother show. It would have
Speaker 4: been perfect for that, because like ten years later is
Speaker 4: when the all the twin Stuff kids started happening on
Speaker 4: Disney Channel and all the brothers sister stuff are. You
Speaker 4: would have been the perfect Disney team to do some
Speaker 4: kind of a show.
Speaker 1: If in reality, if we had just not if we
Speaker 1: didn't have other shows we were on, it probably would
Speaker 1: have happened because you look at the Lawrence brothers, they
Speaker 1: were already being cast together as brothers consistently because it
Speaker 1: is it's even more rare that you have kid actors
Speaker 1: who can both you know, act and look alike and
Speaker 1: be brothers, and it's more convenient for the family. Like
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, we never we never
Speaker 1: got there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I want to see a show that starred
Speaker 4: the Lawrence brothers, the Savage Brothers, and the Strong Brothers.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what it would be, but just
Speaker 4: every all that Powerhouse teams together.
Speaker 1: Would have been really interesting to watch. There's still time
Speaker 1: will our first pilot season, Shiloh, you the job. Our
Speaker 1: mom said, Okay, we're going to go down to the
Speaker 1: oak Woods. We're going to go down for pilot season,
Speaker 1: which was two or three months, and if the kids
Speaker 1: get jobs, then we'll pursue this part of our lives.
Speaker 1: If they don't, then we won't. And by the end
Speaker 1: of that pilot season, I had booked The Jewelie Show.
Speaker 1: So I was on a sitcom and you booked House
Speaker 1: of Cards right right. It was a great movie with
Speaker 1: Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones and that was Do
Speaker 1: do you remember your audition for that with Mally Finn,
Speaker 1: the legendary casting director. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. She
Speaker 1: was so supportive and that was all improv I remember
Speaker 1: we were like but by that time I had some
Speaker 1: chops in those situations, and I remember, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a great audition. And then that was an amazing experience
Speaker 1: because going out there the director Michael Lessak, who I
Speaker 1: think this was the first feature that he had made,
Speaker 1: and it was a I don't know if it was
Speaker 1: a Mirramax film at that point, yes, was it already
Speaker 1: because then it went to Sundance, But did it get
Speaker 1: bought when it went to Sunday, and I think it
Speaker 1: was always a Mirramax film, but like we had an
Speaker 1: entire month I think of rehearsal of what just wow.
Speaker 1: And Michael Jackie was the like dialogue coach, so she
Speaker 1: worked with me one on one on like all of
Speaker 1: our scenes, and I remember, like it was just such
Speaker 1: an incredible experience for a young actor to be able
Speaker 1: to have that kind of support and the ability to play,
Speaker 1: you know. But I remember I had no idea how
Speaker 1: like the first scene that we shot. I didn't understand
Speaker 1: how like camera angles worked and like how multiple takes happened.
Speaker 1: So I remember like doing it kind of like once
Speaker 1: and thinking Okay, great, we did it, and they're like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: we're going to do it again and move And I
Speaker 1: was like wait what, Like that was such a foreign concept,
Speaker 1: just the basic mechanics of it. Like yeah, but that
Speaker 1: was a very cool, very cool experience like that three
Speaker 1: months in North Carolina. Yeah. I mean the movie doesn't
Speaker 1: age well. Unfortunately. It's kind of an outdated way of
Speaker 1: like perceiving autism, you know, based on what we understand
Speaker 1: about autism nowadays, you know, and like one woman trying
Speaker 1: to get back in touch with her daughter who might
Speaker 1: be autistic. But so, you know, from a medical standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't think it really right, but yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very cool experience. I then going to
Speaker 1: Sundance as a you know, eleven year old and being
Speaker 1: an adip. She's being like, what's happened?
Speaker 2: Were you wildly intimidated around Tommy Lee Jones and Kathleen
Speaker 2: Turner or did you just feel right in your element?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, they were great, Like I mean, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was awesome, you know. I mean that's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think all of us had that, Like when you're acting
Speaker 1: and you know, like if you're working with a real actor,
Speaker 1: like a profictional older actor, like they're going to be
Speaker 1: giving you everything you need as a young actor to
Speaker 1: be able to go, oh oh you get it. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: let's let's do this and then we're playing you know,
Speaker 1: And that was and that was great to be able
Speaker 1: to have them and support for that. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was cool.
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. Did you come by the Boy Meets
Speaker 3: World set a lot?
Speaker 2: I don't really remember you being on set all the time,
Speaker 2: but you must have been, right, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember coming by, like Danielle. We didn't really
Speaker 1: hang out that much.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't hang out. I was I was really young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and I think we I would come for
Speaker 1: tape show for the eight nights, yeah nights. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was always fun or stop by I you know,
Speaker 1: once Rider got a car and we were all kind
Speaker 1: of like driving around LA and doing stuff. So I know,
Speaker 1: we all like went out for like lunch, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: you know where Jerry's I think was another one.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Jerry's Amsterdam yea and Amsterdam.
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. We was just looking at
Speaker 1: pictures of though maybe you sent him to me. It
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Jason Marsden, you me and Marsden and
Speaker 1: an angel I did.
Speaker 2: We've heard the story about you having was it your
Speaker 2: backpack basically.
Speaker 1: But I know who calls that to a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: the car back literally on the ride back.
Speaker 3: From the I don't want to do this trade.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is a fair trade, and handing
Speaker 4: him back to the backpack he had used.
Speaker 1: The entire trip. We looked at each other like this
Speaker 1: can't that can't be real. It can't it just happened.
Speaker 4: I remember one of the coolest moments of that trip, though,
Speaker 4: I remember was you and I were walking through the
Speaker 4: lines applying and I looked at you and I went, dude,
Speaker 4: I like your shirt, and you I like your Sure,
Speaker 4: I want to trade. And in the middle of the
Speaker 4: street we just swap shirts. And I think I had
Speaker 4: it to like a month ago.
Speaker 3: I want to trade is like, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's such a such a teenager thing, like I want
Speaker 2: to trade.
Speaker 1: We were very we were very big into the magic
Speaker 1: cards then too right, Oh yeah about because we would
Speaker 1: play for anti and it was if you got the
Speaker 1: one card and then we would be trading cards.
Speaker 4: And like I still I still use when I do play,
Speaker 4: I still use a card that I won from you.
Speaker 4: I still use Balance all the time. Remember Balance, That's
Speaker 4: such a great card. It's a great card, and I
Speaker 4: still use Yeah, yeah, it was great.
Speaker 2: I want to try that out in the wild with
Speaker 2: another woman's handbag.
Speaker 3: I love your handbag. Oh thanks, I love yours. Would
Speaker 3: you like to trade?
Speaker 1: Trade?
Speaker 3: You just want to try to offer trades. I want
Speaker 3: to see how it goes. I'll let you know how
Speaker 3: this experiment works.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 4: When two people consider it equal the trade goes very well,
Speaker 4: and when one is not trying to take advantage of
Speaker 4: the other person, the trade it is very successful. It's
Speaker 4: when one person is nefarious.
Speaker 1: Said trade does not work. So I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason that you didn't I weren't always on the
Speaker 1: set is that you were also on the Mommies. You were,
Speaker 1: so you guys, were you Friday tape nights? Is that
Speaker 1: what you did? Do you remember? That sounds familiar? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what It was a period there
Speaker 1: because I got my proficiency when I was sixteen, and
Speaker 1: then I got emancipated, and so I was like pretty
Speaker 1: much on my own down here. You know. We were
Speaker 1: living in that Encino house, if I remember. But then
Speaker 1: I started going to La Valley Community College, so I
Speaker 1: would go there for night classes and then go to
Speaker 1: yeah work, But I feel like I was only showing
Speaker 1: up because I didn't have to do school and I
Speaker 1: didn't you know, I would only have a couple of
Speaker 1: scenes usually in an episode, so it was a pretty
Speaker 1: easy thing. So I would just drive on and you know,
Speaker 1: do my rehearsal and then do the run through, and
Speaker 1: then I was pretty much done until you know, the
Speaker 1: tape night. Do you do you have a clear like, like,
Speaker 1: do you have a memory of what the difference between
Speaker 1: the sets was like in terms of like the creative
Speaker 1: environment or the production process, Like what is there? That's great?
Speaker 2: H you know.
Speaker 1: The thing was you guys. What I loved about coming
Speaker 1: to you guys was you guys were all the same age,
Speaker 1: and you had a bunch, you know, and you guys
Speaker 1: were all friends. Like it was just it was a
Speaker 1: great group of people, like and you know, we were
Speaker 1: all you know, like you guys were all playing together
Speaker 1: and working the scenes and getting the laughs, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was just a it was a really great energy
Speaker 1: on the set, you know, and on the Mommy is
Speaker 1: like everybody was nice. But I was the only teenager,
Speaker 1: Like it was basically everybody else were adults or they
Speaker 1: were young kids. So I was just kind of by myself,
Speaker 1: you know, and I was kind of going through a
Speaker 1: period where I was didn't really want to be in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Like I was flying back up to Northern
Speaker 1: California pretty much every weekend because I had at do
Speaker 1: you have.
Speaker 3: Someone to give a white rose too? As well?
Speaker 1: Who was your Maureen? Yeah, let's see at that time
Speaker 1: I was I was dating this this this girl Emily
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, but then I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: then Hillary, and then that was dating Hillary and that
Speaker 1: was kind of you know which I don't know how
Speaker 1: long we were together for until I broke her heart
Speaker 1: apparently to say, yeah, just long enough to meet her
Speaker 1: parents once, and that was it. I'm actually seeing her.
Speaker 1: We're going to beat up. Because after I listened to
Speaker 1: the podcast, I was just like, oh my god, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To reach out to her.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm such positive memories of her, like she was
Speaker 1: She's wonderful, and also hearing her voice on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I miss her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's awesome. You know.
Speaker 4: I that that same I had a similar I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously I got along with Rider very well, and got
Speaker 4: along with Ben and got along with Danielle, but I
Speaker 4: was the same thing. It was like, there were the
Speaker 4: adults and then they were kind of they had their group.
Speaker 4: Then then Rider and Ben they were all kind of together,
Speaker 4: and then I was just old enough to kind of
Speaker 4: be in the middle totally.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like, well, do.
Speaker 4: I want to go have an uncomfortable lunch with the
Speaker 4: adults or an uncomfortable lunch with the younger guys.
Speaker 1: Like you remember Shilah decided he was going to learn juggling, right,
Speaker 1: and he would say, you have your own trailer and
Speaker 1: you would just juggle and like you were just got
Speaker 1: to decided you were going to like learn all these
Speaker 1: like your own tricks and your own things. And yeah,
Speaker 1: like my memory is that you you didn't really like
Speaker 1: the mommies that much. Like the job itself was was
Speaker 1: dissatisfying creatively, but you were kind of like, eugh, I
Speaker 1: want to be doing the real stuff. Yeah, well was
Speaker 1: I remember the character was like kind of a deadbeat character.
Speaker 1: That was the ongoing joke is like, oh, he just
Speaker 1: never does anything. He's always just making out with his
Speaker 1: girlfriend on the couch, you know, which was always a
Speaker 1: funny thing. So I remember she was great, but you
Speaker 1: know she was I think she was like twenty five
Speaker 1: or something, and you know, here I am like nineteen
Speaker 1: year old. She's just laying on me, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: don't think too much about what's actually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember that you're on camera seventeen.
Speaker 1: Dude, you weren't nineteen. You were only sixteen seventeen doing
Speaker 1: the Mommies. It's so hard to try and put this
Speaker 1: in perspective because you know, I mean, you're acting like
Speaker 1: an adult at such a young age, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, not having that sense of you know,
Speaker 1: community or friendships on the set kind of right a toll.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, do you remember the creative team that
Speaker 1: was in charge, like who was the executive producer, what
Speaker 1: the note sessions were like, or any of them? No,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't remember anybody. I don't
Speaker 1: remember anybody really giving me. I just didn't have much
Speaker 1: to do, like much of a character, you know, so
Speaker 1: I didn't have really I think I had one episode
Speaker 1: that was like actually about my character, and every other
Speaker 1: one it was just sort of like one or two
Speaker 1: lines here there, bopping in. And you know, it only
Speaker 1: went for two seasons, if even that, I think, I
Speaker 1: don't even think. We got picked up halfway through the
Speaker 1: second season.
Speaker 4: But the Mommies, now, so the Mommies, if memory serves,
Speaker 4: they were two were they stand ups? Originally two stand
Speaker 4: up comedians that worked together. They're like a comedy team, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, And their whole bit was sort of like being
Speaker 1: the moms and you know, mom jokes, right, you know.
Speaker 1: Then they yeah, and then they got this TV show,
Speaker 1: so they you know, I don't think they were classically
Speaker 1: trained actors, but they might have been. But no, no,
Speaker 1: it was the nineties. It was the nineties.
Speaker 4: I mean the nineties with Seinfeld and the Jeff fox
Speaker 4: Worthy Show. I mean, if you were a stand up,
Speaker 4: you were you'd get a sitcom. So so that was
Speaker 4: kind of yeah exactly, I said, they're handing them out
Speaker 4: and when you when you get out of it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's I remember that because I remember you you
Speaker 4: and I talking about it where it was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're stand ups and they're kind of do their bit
Speaker 4: every week, and it was like, okay.
Speaker 1: Well, strangely they were from Petaluma, which is right by Sebastopos,
Speaker 1: so they were from northern California, and yeah, they had
Speaker 1: just become a phenomenon, like their stand up routine, you know,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, they got these They had competing offers,
Speaker 1: they had offers from every network to do a sitcom,
Speaker 1: and they chose NBC and got a full first season
Speaker 1: order just off of selling their show. So that's what's
Speaker 1: so interesting is that The Mommies was a higher profile
Speaker 1: show like Boy Meets World was like what will this
Speaker 1: thing go? You know? And then The Mommies was like
Speaker 1: the more short thing, and I mean they were great.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows why things don't work out, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean back then it was all about the ratings
Speaker 1: and you know, like who you're up against. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was always ruffle that they were trying to do.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: an age that's passed now, right. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: really a conversation that people have anymore. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how shows keep going.
Speaker 2: As writer mentioned in your Downtime, then on The Mommies
Speaker 2: you learn to juggle. There have been many times on
Speaker 2: the podcast where we have waxed poetic and praised the
Speaker 2: uniqueness of the overall just cool vibe that is Shiloh Strong.
Speaker 2: Did you see yourself as confident then or was it
Speaker 2: just that you wanted to ride around on a unicycle
Speaker 2: and wear a top hat.
Speaker 4: The cool and smoke a pipe pipe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a top app it was a It
Speaker 1: was a bowler bowler bowler, which was great. That was
Speaker 1: like my ultimate hacky sack move because you could.
Speaker 4: Like storm, I remember that, and you could put oh buddy,
Speaker 4: are you kidding me?
Speaker 3: Warm memory unlocked?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you guys hacky sacking and you resting
Speaker 2: that hacky sack on the book.
Speaker 3: I literal core me.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, like yeah, I definitely did not
Speaker 1: think I was cool. I don't think like cool. Was
Speaker 1: not like a uh no, it was just it was,
Speaker 1: you know, coming from northern California and none such and
Speaker 1: this kind of awkward, weird. Everybody was like encouraged to
Speaker 1: be creative in themselves, you know, non judgmental or try
Speaker 1: to be right, and you know, it kind of worked
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, as anybody who like
Speaker 1: conformed to the norm.
Speaker 3: Was you know, oh yeah, you were allowed to judge them.
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. So I'm back.
Speaker 4: I'm back here in Avon, and I went to my
Speaker 4: clean out my closet. When I got here, I was
Speaker 4: putting stuff in there and.
Speaker 1: Most of it's gone.
Speaker 4: But there's still one stick left from the juggling things
Speaker 4: that we brought to.
Speaker 1: Adam to me, Yes, oh my god, what these are
Speaker 1: the ones, by the way, that we would do in
Speaker 1: Vondel Park.
Speaker 4: This is literally the same one that was there. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw that today. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: the Devils sticks.
Speaker 1: That's what we would just hang out in the park
Speaker 1: and Hacky Sack play with the sticks and like, oh
Speaker 1: that was so much fun. Oh it's a great trip.
Speaker 1: It was an absolutely great I remember the juggling thing
Speaker 1: I had trying to remember. I had this whole theory, which
Speaker 1: was okay, and I still believe this. There's a part
Speaker 1: of your brain that that actually connects the left and
Speaker 1: the right hemispheres of your brain, you know how the
Speaker 1: two were kind of like a logical and you know,
Speaker 1: more creative. And so I had this idea that if
Speaker 1: you have anything that ever crosses between those two hemispheres,
Speaker 1: like if you're passing a ball back and forth or
Speaker 1: hacky sacking, as long as you're using ambidextris right, that
Speaker 1: that's going to be like strengthening that part of your
Speaker 1: brain and causing you to feel more creative, but also
Speaker 1: bringing in some of your reasoning capacities. So that was
Speaker 1: thinking of it in that way, and it was always
Speaker 1: just a good challenge and something to do. You know,
Speaker 1: while I was by myself sitting in the waiting or trailer,
Speaker 1: you know, and you were always so like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're athletic, but you were also just acrobatic because we
Speaker 1: did gymnastics and you were really good at gymnastics. And and
Speaker 1: then I remember you discovered chaplain and like the whole
Speaker 1: idea of like physical comedy, and you decided to master
Speaker 1: a lot of these like cool skills, which in retrospect
Speaker 1: is like pretty awesome for a you. Like, I'm not
Speaker 1: just going to be a kid actor. I'm also going
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do all these tricks. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Buster was so cool. No, that's nice to hear. Thanks, guys,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, yeah, I love all that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's transferred over now as an adult. I
Speaker 1: mean I still juggle, like I still have my juggling balls,
Speaker 1: these little pasts, because that's why I have notes to
Speaker 1: myself if I start stressing out, it's like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: just juggle. I'm like, all right, okay, you know, find
Speaker 1: the ways to calm the anxiety if you start freaking out.
Speaker 3: I love those tools, those little self help tools.
Speaker 1: Those are great. You gotta find them some way. I
Speaker 1: would get so anxious trying to juggle. Damn it. I
Speaker 1: would love to learn how to juggle. Yeah, it's so
Speaker 1: it's very therapeutic, you know. Okay, I could totally see that.
Speaker 2: Jumping ahead a bit, We haven't talked a lot about
Speaker 2: making Girl Meets World on the show, mostly because we
Speaker 2: try to keep it up beat, but I do know
Speaker 2: that a major high point for everyone on the show
Speaker 2: was how much you and Writer were able to direct us.
Speaker 2: You guys were so wonderful. It was such a major
Speaker 2: high point for the entire cast. How did it feel
Speaker 2: to not only step foot again on a show you
Speaker 2: had both obviously been very close to for so long,
Speaker 2: but to now work with like a new generation of kids,
Speaker 2: little writers and Shiloh's essentially decades later.
Speaker 3: How was that? What did that feel like for you?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah. Working with the kids was amazing.
Speaker 1: Like walking back on that set just felt like going
Speaker 1: back into like a time capsule, you know, like but
Speaker 1: in the best possible way, because it was so comfortable
Speaker 1: and familiar and being with you guys and working with
Speaker 1: you guys again in that way was so rewarding. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. And seeing the kids being able to
Speaker 1: I mean, they were so great and so down and
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, I just love that sitcom. You know,
Speaker 1: you get to rehearse, you get to work the jokes
Speaker 1: and figure out the blocking and get you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like the the whole week is just and then
Speaker 1: leading up to that show, it was just so much fun.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and we did a live studio audience on
Speaker 2: Girl Meets World, which which is still very rare. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's really rare. We were one of
Speaker 2: the only people who was doing it even back then,
Speaker 2: and that is that was just.
Speaker 1: It nothing like it.
Speaker 4: There's not I mean, there really is nothing, and it's
Speaker 4: it's a shame because it's dying and it is.
Speaker 1: It is you know, the full sitcom.
Speaker 4: You're rehearsing a play every week, but then you get
Speaker 4: to lead up to show night where you're actually, yeah.
Speaker 1: Then taping the thing. It is just it's it is.
Speaker 4: It's so unique in our industry and it's a shame
Speaker 4: that it's going away because it is a wonderful experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just gone now. Yeah, I remember, I mean
Speaker 1: as directors for Shilah and I like the week. You know,
Speaker 1: during the week, you're just rehearsing without really you know,
Speaker 1: you have some props and but there's no cameras, there's
Speaker 1: no audio equipment, and for us, it was just kind
Speaker 1: of like our domain, you know, Like and I remember
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conscious like conversations about like,
Speaker 1: let's make sure that these kids are not only hitting
Speaker 1: their beats and saying our lives, but like learning how
Speaker 1: to act or like understanding what acting is, you know,
Speaker 1: because kid actors come in with all their own ideas
Speaker 1: and they're you know, and they're always being told what
Speaker 1: to do or what the end results should be. And
Speaker 1: we knew from having been in those shoes, like how
Speaker 1: crazy that can be and how intimidating that can be.
Speaker 1: And we were like, let's make this just the coolest,
Speaker 1: safest space ever. And I feel like we just always
Speaker 1: had fun, you know. I just remember having so much
Speaker 1: fun with the kids and they were so Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the kids.
Speaker 4: I mean, Danielle, you weren't directing yet at the time
Speaker 4: that I had gone on Girl Mets World. So I
Speaker 4: remember because again I would have loved to have worked
Speaker 4: with you, but that was part of the deal of
Speaker 4: me coming back, because I, you know, was dealing with anxiety.
Speaker 4: I hadn't been on camera in years and years and years,
Speaker 4: and part of the quote unquote contractor for me coming
Speaker 4: back was that you guys directed me. It was like
Speaker 4: I knew that, you know again with someday I'm going
Speaker 4: to work with Danielle as a director. But at the
Speaker 4: time you guys were there and I knew it was
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, at least they'll know I'll be it'll
Speaker 4: be safe, it'll be calm, it'll be comfortable. So that
Speaker 4: was like part of the deal was Okay, I'll come
Speaker 4: back and do these episodes if writer and Shilock can direct.
Speaker 1: It, and they're like, oha, fine.
Speaker 2: I was obviously very close to all of those kids,
Speaker 2: and every time we would see your names on a script,
Speaker 2: there was just a sense of like relief. There was
Speaker 2: really a sense of oh good, We're going to have
Speaker 2: a good week. We're going to be in safe hands.
Speaker 2: We're going to be in hands that are gonna encourage
Speaker 2: us and guide us and make it fun. You know,
Speaker 2: you guys played running charades. You made sure that you
Speaker 2: built time into because as fun as the Boy Meets
Speaker 2: World set was, Girl Meets World did have a different energy.
Speaker 2: It was not the same and it didn't need to
Speaker 2: be different. It could have been the same, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't for whatever reasons, and you guys tried to infuse
Speaker 2: it with fun wherever you could, and so that it
Speaker 2: was such a It was just such a joy to
Speaker 2: work with you both, and so thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thank you. Looking back, I mean, especially working
Speaker 1: with you in particular, was anytime we had a scene together,
Speaker 1: I was just always like, oh, I just know this
Speaker 1: is going to work. Great. That's what started directing too, right,
Speaker 1: wasn't that during that period?
Speaker 2: Yeah, second season I got to do one and then
Speaker 2: in season three I got to do three more, so
Speaker 2: I I yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: Amazing to see even in the first season. I remember
Speaker 1: when whenever we first started working together, I remember you
Speaker 1: were already able to see how the whole scene would work,
Speaker 1: and having your relationship with the kids independently was so
Speaker 1: helpful to be able to talk to you and recognize,
Speaker 1: oh the dynamics here. I think it was just Yes,
Speaker 1: you were like a rock of support. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the number one thing I was most
Speaker 2: excited about when we came onto Girl Meets World. Was like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going to get to be the adult,
Speaker 2: the responsible adult who looking back, I didn't even realize
Speaker 2: until we started this podcast how much I had taken
Speaker 2: Betsy and Rusty and Bill Daniels for granted. But I
Speaker 2: even then, even when we started Girl Meets World, was
Speaker 2: aware enough that they were such like good examples of
Speaker 2: professionalism that I was like.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I get to be a I get
Speaker 3: to be one of those, right exactly.
Speaker 2: And because I'm the mom to the mom on the
Speaker 2: show to these kids, I'm going to have developed strong
Speaker 2: relationships with them, and we'll be able to work with
Speaker 2: the directors as just an actor, but.
Speaker 3: To help bring all of this to life.
Speaker 2: It was like literally the number one thing I was
Speaker 2: most excited about. And some directors, of course, are more
Speaker 2: receptive to that feeling. And it's usually the actor directors
Speaker 2: who are who know very well that actors have a
Speaker 2: lot to contribute to making a show come to life
Speaker 2: if you're willing to allow them as collaborators instead of
Speaker 2: a Stuppens.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, that's the thing. When we came in,
Speaker 1: I remember watching because we started shadowing the directors that
Speaker 1: were already working, and they would just be stand over here,
Speaker 1: walk over here, do this, you know.
Speaker 2: Helping them by the elbow, literally pulling up by the
Speaker 2: elbow a couple of inches.
Speaker 1: And I remember shallow and I being like, okay, day
Speaker 1: one question number one to the kids is what do
Speaker 1: you want to do? What do you think? How do
Speaker 1: you know? And and I remember like the biggest accomplishment
Speaker 1: for child and I was like, there was one there
Speaker 1: was one episode where we realized that Rowan was doing
Speaker 1: it different every take and we're like, she feels confident,
Speaker 1: He's she's free. She's like she had somehow like every
Speaker 1: lie every time she did it, she was like I
Speaker 1: just out of her head and like in the moment
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, she's good, it's happening, And
Speaker 1: it was like that's what that's what we miss, you know,
Speaker 1: like that's the best feeling. Yeah. I remember one another
Speaker 1: girl be Well moment. I remember Will. It was seeing
Speaker 1: you and I don't know if it was the first
Speaker 1: time you came back, but when you did the mister
Speaker 1: Squirrels bit with you and watching you like work that
Speaker 1: through and finding the beats, it was it was just magical. Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think you are hands down one
Speaker 1: of the best comedic actors, I've ever seen you in
Speaker 1: that in that moment and finding it and feeling the
Speaker 1: audience reaction when the door opened, like it's just burned
Speaker 1: in my memory. Oh well, it was nuts. Do you
Speaker 1: remember they had they gave Will like seventeen beats, yes, comedy,
Speaker 1: and he had to like show up in the costume,
Speaker 1: the costume if play a trumpet. At one point, I
Speaker 1: feel like it was like all this stuff that they
Speaker 1: were just loading on you, And I remember getting in
Speaker 1: the rehearsal and being like, oh my god, like looking
Speaker 1: at the script and be like, how are we going
Speaker 1: to get this? And then we'll just it. Well, do
Speaker 1: you remember.
Speaker 3: Two that week?
Speaker 2: That was one of the examples of Michael who has
Speaker 2: an almost cartoon like image in his mind and he
Speaker 2: just is telling you, well, you need to figure out
Speaker 2: how to bring this to life. And the whole bit
Speaker 2: with that was he wanted in one move the entire costume,
Speaker 2: including the beard and the hair and all of the
Speaker 2: clothes in one move, like, let's say, from the beard.
Speaker 2: He wanted him to pull the beard and have all
Speaker 2: of it disappear so that he was only wearing boxers
Speaker 2: and we were like.
Speaker 3: The realm of reality. How do you say? And I
Speaker 3: don't care, I don't know. Whatever you need to do.
Speaker 2: Talk to wardrobe, talk to and he just expected you,
Speaker 2: guys and will to bring it to life. And that
Speaker 2: was definitely a moment where I just tiptoed my way back,
Speaker 2: like you know.
Speaker 3: Homer Simpson into a bush. I'm just gonna knock out
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 1: If it was anybody else, Shallow and I would have
Speaker 1: been like, absolutely impossible. But we were like, I think
Speaker 1: we'll do it, and.
Speaker 3: Just what he figured out a way.
Speaker 1: It was fun. I just remember working with the kids.
Speaker 1: Working with the kids was amazing.
Speaker 4: It really was.
Speaker 2: Totally well, Shiloh, Now you have shifted your focus to photography,
Speaker 2: and I know a quick look at your Instagram shows
Speaker 2: new profile pictures of Seth Rogen and Kristin Davis, as
Speaker 2: well as an interest in men's dating profile pics.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's a's a that's a pretty fun story.
Speaker 1: I randomly, when I was living up in Northern California,
Speaker 1: I was looking for a job and I found this
Speaker 1: listing for a company that was looking for like a
Speaker 1: said male dating profile photography, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that that's fascinating, and so I applied and I'm like this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this sounds like it'd be kind of fun to do.
Speaker 1: And then it's this company. They're called the Match Artist,
Speaker 1: and they basically are a nationwide but it's they cater
Speaker 1: mostly to men, but women do it.
Speaker 3: Too, but right, it's a matchmaking service.
Speaker 1: It's not even that, it's just the photography.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Then I went to school for photography, Like photography has
Speaker 1: always been my thing that I love. Like that's when
Speaker 1: I went to college. I was like it was kind
Speaker 1: of my backup plan for everything else because I was,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, get a real job, like a photographer,
Speaker 1: Like only an actor can think that. That's like a
Speaker 1: steady gig. Right, I'll get a real job. I'll play
Speaker 1: drums in a band. But it's been great. I mean
Speaker 1: I really I've always loved photography and visual storytelling, you know,
Speaker 1: so that kind of and in these situations, you know,
Speaker 1: I go and I meet somebody who needs looking for love,
Speaker 1: which is always a noble west and kind of to
Speaker 1: know them and then you craft a story about who
Speaker 1: they are and photograph them in the best possible light.
Speaker 1: And it's been amazing, Like I've met so many really
Speaker 1: interesting men, all different ages from like twenty five to
Speaker 1: fifty five and photographing their profile pictures to help them
Speaker 1: go out there and do it.
Speaker 3: I love this so much because every dude I know.
Speaker 2: Has pictures, like if you were to if they were
Speaker 2: going to go and put together a dating profile, they
Speaker 2: have pictures of themselves, but they've never taken consideration for
Speaker 2: the lighting where they took a photo, who else is
Speaker 2: in that photo, what the positioning of their body was,
Speaker 2: Like you're just not thinking about that. So then you
Speaker 2: go to create a profile and you want to put
Speaker 2: your best foot forward because somebody has to make a
Speaker 2: quick judgment about whether or not they're interested in dating you,
Speaker 2: and you're looking through probably a bunch of photos that
Speaker 2: are either too old do not represent you in a
Speaker 2: way that is putting your best foot forward.
Speaker 3: This is so, this is so smart.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's totally it's yea, every no, it's it's true.
Speaker 1: It's been an amazing experience, and yeah, and recognizing how
Speaker 1: much that has changed in the culture now this is
Speaker 1: how people meet online, especially the younger generation. So like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm exploring them, working on a documentary trying to
Speaker 1: explore this kind of world because it's just fascinating to
Speaker 1: me of like these you know, men looking for love
Speaker 1: and following them, but then also trying to understand the
Speaker 1: changing dynamics of masculinity and how we present ourselves and
Speaker 1: what that means in today's society. So it's a work
Speaker 1: in progress. But yeah, so yes, thank you for But
Speaker 1: the photography has always been a part of my life
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the next Yeah, it would.
Speaker 3: Be your dream subject for a portrait.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, I I just love people. I
Speaker 1: mean that's what I've realized. Like who's oh Will, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do a photo Shore Will if you want to.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, this is what I've realized. No, no, no, stop,
Speaker 1: can do this. I realized I love photographing creative people,
Speaker 1: you know, like portraits, and if there's some way that
Speaker 1: I can give a little bit of like a collaborative collaboration,
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. We've all worked in this
Speaker 1: same industry where you know, collaboration is key, and so
Speaker 1: finding some way that somebody wants to present themselves either.
Speaker 1: You know, I remember shooting a guy years ago who
Speaker 1: was a magician, and this is when I had a
Speaker 1: studio downtown and he came in with like all of
Speaker 1: his props and his stuff, And it's just so fun
Speaker 1: to work through somebody to figure out how they want
Speaker 1: to present themselves and how I can kind of help
Speaker 1: tell their story. I guess in a way that I
Speaker 1: am feeling like I'm contributing some aspect to that in
Speaker 1: the storytelling. And I you know, for me, I like
Speaker 1: photos that kind of make people question, like, oh, what's
Speaker 1: kind of going on here? Are something funny or quirky
Speaker 1: or interesting? Yeah, but like I don't really have like
Speaker 1: an ideal subject, I mean, honestly, I just yeah, any
Speaker 1: creative endeavor person honestly would be a good one, right,
Speaker 1: But you definitely like people with personality or their own
Speaker 1: their own Yeah, like the worst would be I mean
Speaker 1: because you actually have done quite a bit of fashion
Speaker 1: photography too, which is cool, but you always veer towards
Speaker 1: a storytelling. So even your fashion photography, you would find
Speaker 1: ways to like, oh, the story of this photo shoot is,
Speaker 1: and you would come up with this insanely complicated narrative
Speaker 1: just we're basically selling close, I know, And that was
Speaker 1: I kind of got when I was in school. I
Speaker 1: had this amazing instructor, Nino, who was a fashion teacher,
Speaker 1: and you know, it was And that's what I loved
Speaker 1: about is because I would create these photo shoots and
Speaker 1: do a whole thing. And I realized, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't care about the clothes. I'm like, that's not a
Speaker 1: good thing. That's not good. This shouldn't be. But I
Speaker 1: mean that's why. You know, when you do a fashion shoot,
Speaker 1: you've got a stylist. You know, it's a full production
Speaker 1: if you have the money. It just costs a lot
Speaker 1: to do it right. And also, you know, majority of
Speaker 1: fashion photography is up against a white wall photography and
Speaker 1: put it on the internet. You know. I got like
Speaker 1: the editorial fashion photos, and that's a really tough world
Speaker 1: to break into, especially in Los Angeles, Like it's more
Speaker 1: of a New York, you know, which I'd considered going
Speaker 1: to New York. But yeah, then like house burned out
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, and then.
Speaker 3: I moved back to Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: You with me, and then you came and lived with
Speaker 4: me after I was like, well, I have nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: I was like, come live with me. That was awful.
Speaker 4: I remember I had to give you a belt, like
Speaker 4: you literally had nothing nothing.
Speaker 1: No, literally everything fit in my car. I actually went
Speaker 1: to Goodwill and got rid of everything that I that
Speaker 1: wouldn't fit in my car because I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I you know, luckily I had a
Speaker 1: change of clothes and a surfboard and writer was right
Speaker 1: down in the World Canyon and you were there at
Speaker 1: the time. So yeah, it was two and seven right.
Speaker 3: Burned down.
Speaker 1: So it was in Santa Barbara and there was just
Speaker 1: a wildfire that came through and I was down in
Speaker 1: La Rider and I were down in and I remember
Speaker 1: I got the call from the people who lived in
Speaker 1: the front house and they were like, hey, there's a
Speaker 1: fire here, you better get back up. And I jumped
Speaker 1: in the car and I couldn't get back up and
Speaker 1: just sat in Santa Barbara was able to stay with
Speaker 1: a friend of mine at the time, and just watched
Speaker 1: the hillside explode.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah didn't you didn't you have a
Speaker 4: motorcycle at the time, so I remember there wasn't there
Speaker 4: a photograph. The only thing left was like a melted engine.
Speaker 4: That was all you could make out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the chrome on the wheels of
Speaker 1: the tire had melted and created like river of chrome.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so it must have been so hot.
Speaker 1: I mean every glass thing I had in the house
Speaker 1: was like just turned into like marbles basically. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the most surreal experience anybody Like it was the
Speaker 1: most surreal experience I'd had up to that point in
Speaker 1: my life. Like still to this day, if I smell fire,
Speaker 1: I get I can feel myself getting like, you know,
Speaker 1: crazy about it. I was awful, man. Yeah, you lost
Speaker 1: all your photo negatives because you had you you have
Speaker 1: been shooting on film a lot. Yeah, that went all
Speaker 1: the way through.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you lost all your magic cards. I remember, you
Speaker 4: lost all your magics, like you lost everything. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: he had a whole complete Legends collection, which I.
Speaker 1: Remember, I won't look up to see how much that's worth.
Speaker 1: But I would never I would never sell that. But still, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it taught me a lot of lessons about uh,
Speaker 1: you know stuff. We have so much stuff in our lives,
Speaker 1: you know, And it made me try and be as
Speaker 1: conscious as possible moving forward, because not many people get
Speaker 1: an opportunity like that to kind of get a clean slate.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, how old was I thirty one?
Speaker 1: I think or something and was.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a way to reframe it. That
Speaker 2: what an opportunity to start with a clean slate. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, that's a healthy perspective instead of you know
Speaker 2: what most of us would probably think, which is why
Speaker 2: did my life get ruined at thirty one?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: luckily I had an amazing support system some of the
Speaker 1: people right here, you know, so I can imagine not
Speaker 1: not having that. But I remember at the time too,
Speaker 1: like actually Shiloh's reaction was was too good in the
Speaker 1: sense that he he was like, I shouldn't care about this,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be emotionally affected because it's just stuff. It's
Speaker 1: just stuff, and it doesn't matter, and I don't care
Speaker 1: about things. And I was like, yeah, you don't care
Speaker 1: about things, but allow this to be a sad tragedy.
Speaker 1: And like I remember just crying with him and like
Speaker 1: having to be like, it's okay to feel bad about
Speaker 1: losing your stuff. It is just stuff, but it's still
Speaker 1: an emotion. It's still awful, still a loss, yeah, still loss,
Speaker 1: Like you where you're at now? Sounds you're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: But you were already there right away. You're like, I
Speaker 1: shouldn't be upset about this. I was like, it's okay
Speaker 1: to be upset. Yeah, I remember we had the time.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember coming back that night and we
Speaker 1: went to Cat in the Fiddle and if you remember
Speaker 1: that ryder but sitting there and I just remember being
Speaker 1: I was so wrecked, you know, but I was just
Speaker 1: in shock. You know. It's not every day you walk
Speaker 1: up to your house and it's just literally, you know,
Speaker 1: six inches of ash and you're just like, Okay, what what's.
Speaker 3: The meaning of this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I never really get into that.
Speaker 4: But it's also unless you've seen a California wildfire, any
Speaker 4: kind of wildfire, what they can do. People can kind
Speaker 4: of they think of like a burnt out house or
Speaker 4: there was a fire in a kitchen something like that.
Speaker 4: Every single thing was gone. There weren't pillars in the house.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was gone. So you left a house
Speaker 4: and you came back to an ash covered field. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really amazing to because you hear, oh, there was
Speaker 4: a fire in the house, and sometimes you don't get
Speaker 4: the visual of like nothing level right, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: crazy crazy Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Shiloh, we have so enjoyed having you here
Speaker 2: with us today. Your name has come up obviously, of course,
Speaker 2: so often since we've been doing the podcast. We appreciate
Speaker 2: you allowing us to talk about your life and share
Speaker 2: your stories, you know, through all of our experiences, but
Speaker 2: especially through writers. You're obviously such an important part of
Speaker 2: Writer's life and childhood, so he wouldn't be who he
Speaker 2: is without you as well, and vice versa. So thank
Speaker 2: you for sharing your time with us, and we'd love
Speaker 2: to have you back anytime. But we're so appreciative you
Speaker 2: came here with us today.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you guys. This has been so great. I
Speaker 1: love seeing you guys, so yeah, and I love what
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. So I got to catch up
Speaker 1: on some more.
Speaker 2: Yeah you've got like maybe one hundred episodes or so.
Speaker 1: No, thank you guys so much. This is this has
Speaker 1: been great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, maybe you can come back and let us know
Speaker 2: how your dinner with Hillary goes.
Speaker 3: Whenever you've seen her.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys could come back and just you know,
Speaker 2: let us know how that goes.
Speaker 3: Great to see you, Shiloh, you.
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, bye, dude, I of you two of you.
Speaker 3: Oh man, jeez, how was that? Writer great?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's so funny because I feel like
Speaker 1: we didn't even cover like our twenties. You know, we
Speaker 1: only come out of adolescence. It's like so much more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, he's my brother. I love him.
Speaker 1: It's so great to talk to him. But it's it
Speaker 1: is funny because, like he we don't actually talk about
Speaker 1: this period of our life that much like our adolescence.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's sort of just understood. So
Speaker 1: it's cool to hear his perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, you talk about the twenties
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's like, of course we're you know, so
Speaker 2: much of our show is talking about our teen years
Speaker 2: and all that time we spent together. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it is. I've never I mean I think about
Speaker 2: it every now and then when I think about things.
Speaker 2: Writer and I both tend to be very open book
Speaker 2: like anything. We're just ready to talk about whatever it
Speaker 2: is that has gone on in our lives. I never
Speaker 2: really think about how so much of sharing your childhood
Speaker 2: is also sharing childhows and so have you.
Speaker 3: Guys talked about that at all since we've started the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, Like he's listened to some episodes
Speaker 1: and and brought them up, and we've had like some
Speaker 1: good and really intense conversations actually like good ones, you know.
Speaker 1: But like reflecting on I think, like what we talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about here, reflecting on our parents' experience
Speaker 1: has just been mind blowing because I don't think I
Speaker 1: had really done that until right around this, doing this podcast,
Speaker 1: and like thinking about my poor mom driving around with
Speaker 1: the Thomas Gootide and like how many times you'd get lost,
Speaker 1: how many times you'd be late for auditions? How many
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's like, oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: that must have been so much work because not only
Speaker 1: were you doing it for one kid, you were doing
Speaker 1: it for two, and we were both so committed and
Speaker 1: into it, and she supported they both my both my
Speaker 1: parents supported both of us, and like, it's just a
Speaker 1: it's such a it's so impressive to me, you know,
Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, we survived and and
Speaker 1: enjoyed it and have positive memories about it is pretty remarkable.
Speaker 4: Well, it also just shows you how self centered everybody
Speaker 4: is when they're children, because but it mirrors what we're
Speaker 4: watching on the show where we all of us took
Speaker 4: us the Betsy even Bill for granted, and we're like,
Speaker 4: we talk about that every week.
Speaker 1: Man, we took them for granted. And then there's times
Speaker 1: we're at dinner where we're like, we really took our
Speaker 1: parents and everything they were going through for you know,
Speaker 1: it's that same thing where it's just your kid, your
Speaker 1: life is all about you and you're the center of
Speaker 1: your world, which is exactly what Boy Meets World is about.
Speaker 4: And then and even as adults now you're looking back
Speaker 4: and just going, wow, we took all this for granted,
Speaker 4: and the adults for granted, and our parents for granted.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just that's one of the things.
Speaker 4: Not to bring it back to the show, but I
Speaker 4: think one of the things that makes our show last
Speaker 4: as long as it has is it is a completely
Speaker 4: different show when you're watching it as an adult, right,
Speaker 4: So you know what's.
Speaker 1: Funny about I was thinking about how because Danielle uh At,
Speaker 1: when whenever we do interviews, her last question tends to
Speaker 1: be if you could go back and tell young you're
Speaker 1: so and what the number one answer is, just enjoy it,
Speaker 1: Just have fun. It's not look around with the parents
Speaker 1: and be more responsible. No, it's like, actually, like you
Speaker 1: just got to be a kid, you know, even if
Speaker 1: you are perfessional, working child actor or whatever, it is
Speaker 1: more the most important thing is to just be sure
Speaker 1: that you're aware of how fun it is and like
Speaker 1: how lucky you are. You know.
Speaker 4: Well, they say youth is wasted on the young, and
Speaker 4: it's the part of that is true.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for
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