WEBVTT - Shiloh Strong Meets World 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:25.360 Indies recently rediscovered swings, like just how fun swings are, 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:27.400 and so I took them, took them to our park 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.400 and you know, we walked to the park near us 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.480 and I was putting them on the swings, and then 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.680 I was thinking about our rope swing. Do you guys 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:36.360 remember the rope swing at our house? 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.239 Yeah, in Redwood chair. Yeah, that was the most that 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.520 was the most fun thing ever. And the next time 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.320 I went it had been taken down because somebody had 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.000 broken their arm. 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:45.440 No, they're back. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.720 Oh even better, Okay, let. 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:53.080 Us people breaking their backs around you. Yeah, it's a thing. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.360 It's an adventure. Yeah. So we had so we where 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.680 we grew up, there was a a guy who owned 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.840 like the acreage below us, and so we would always 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:08.840 end up on his property. And it was this Russian 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:13.319 guy named Serge old God, yes, of course it st 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.800 for Sergio. I don't know. We just knew him as 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:17.360 Papa Surge. That's what we call him. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:18.960 Oh my. 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.560 He he was actually, you know, in retrospect, probably the 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.840 nicest guy in the world. But we were terrified of 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.080 him because we were always sneaking onto his property and 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.280 he had a bunch of dogs. But he also had 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.120 this giant rope swing and I don't even know if 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:36.640 he had put it up or if it was on 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.080 the property left over from loggers, I don't know, but 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.880 it swung out over this lake on his property, and 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:46.320 we knew about, you know, he would bring us out. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.559 We would go over there with our parents as kids 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.160 and like, swing on this rope swing. It was epic. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.120 You could let go of the rope and jump in 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.520 the water. And then, of course as we got older, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.320 we started sneaking over at night to swing on the 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.800 swing at night, and that became like we would be 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:01.920 each other and go and do it, and we'd be 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.360 terrified of the dogs and the surge going to catch us. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.440 So what time was this, Like how old were you 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.000 and at what time were you sneaking out of your parents' 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:13.760 house at night to break into a neighbor's yard that 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.119 had violent dogs to swing on a rope. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.720 So we started camping out in our meadow at the 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.520 base of the edge of our property, and that so 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.239 we would already be there like on the edge of 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.200 the property, and then it would be like you want 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.119 to make a mission, and so that would be ten 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.040 eleven years old. That started and then we would you know, 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.520 big camp out. Sometimes it would be like ten of us, 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:39.680 sometimes it would just be three of us, four of us. 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.760 And then yeah, so then we would start to make 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.720 missions into the woods, into surges woods and try and 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.080 find the ropes swing in the dark and like at night, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.440 and we wouldn't use our flashlights to be terrified of 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.119 getting caught. And then we'd swing on the ropes wing 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.919 and it was like so exciting but also you know, terrified. 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.320 And then when we were when I was, I guess 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.680 fourteen or fifteen, so Shiloh would have been. He was 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.200 definitely sixteen at the time. So yeah, so he's sixteen, 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:11.080 and he decided that we should have our own ropes 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.200 wing on our property. And so he did all this 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.799 research and figured out how to build this incredible ropes 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.440 swing that required He had a friend who worked for 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.440 a tree trimming company or whatever. So they got the 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.440 like the spikes that you wear on your feet that 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.839 you can stop kidding me what they got professional tree 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.720 climbing equipment, climbed two redwoods on either side or like 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.640 overlooking our meadow, climbed like one hundred feet in the air, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.360 and installed cable so there were two cables running from 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.800 two trees to a middle point, and then the rope 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.360 hung down from that, and then we set up a 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.200 ladder that was a ten foot twelve foot orchard ladder 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.000 on the edge of the woods or on the edge 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.200 of the meadow, and so you would climb up the 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.520 ladder and then jump on this ropes wing and just 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.480 or out over the meadow. And then we didn't have 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.240 to go to searches anymore. Then we had our own 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.960 ropes swing where we were camping, like where we would camp. 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.840 So it just became like what we would do with 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.880 everybody who cameboard or our property. We would like at 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.640 some point we'd be going swinging, and it became like 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.120 people were doing flips off of it. People got really 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.560 good and tricky. Let's see, Yes, one person broke their arm. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.760 As we were kids, they fell off, okay. And then 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.800 when I was doing the graduate tour, you know, we 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.200 had a big party because we did we opened the 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.440 show in San Francisco, So I invited the entire cast 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.239 up to our house for a big like barbecue cookout 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.839 day and night, and like you know, it was like 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.799 thirty or forty of us and it was a great 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.800 day and the rope swing was a big part of 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.800 the day. We all went down and we all went 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.680 on the ropes swing, and there was one guy who 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.600 was he was the male swing, so he was the 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.880 understudy for all the male parts. You know, you have 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:57.000 your swing, which is the person who just has to 0:04:57.040 --> 0:04:59.200 step in in case anybody was sick or injured for 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.960 any of the parts. Ironic, He yeah, exactly, and he 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.279 loved the rope swing. And we realized at one point, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.240 like it we had all had dinner and all been 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.839 hanging out the house and we realized he was missing, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.679 and we were like, oh, he went down to swing 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.240 on the ropes swing again. So a bunch of us 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.240 like got together and sure enough found him like swinging 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:18.880 in the rope swing, and then we all started taking 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:23.000 turns and then he i was like, you know, after 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.800 about thirty minutes of swinging together, he was like, oh, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.760 let me go one more time, and he jumped on 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:32.240 it and it snapped and he fell from jumping off 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.479 of the like ten foot ladder onto the thing and 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.800 then just hit the ground, landed on his butt, and 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.120 just immediately we knew it was it was bad. So 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.960 we're like running through the woods. We'd get the car 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:43.960 down there, we'd load him up. He's like, he's in 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.120 so much pain, and yeah, sure enough he broke his 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.599 back and he couldn't do the tour like it was awful. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.440 So the rope swing is no way. I'm confused. You 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.560 said that it would go out over a meadow, so 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.039 it wasn't. But people would flip off of it, so 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:59.200 it wasn't into water. 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:02.120 No. People figured out how to do tricks and like 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.880 dangle from it, you know, by their knees or whatever. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.120 I don't know, Shiloh can probably speak to it more, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.360 but like I mean, I was just a I was 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.680 a pretty basic rope swinger, you know. I just kind 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:12.840 of like to go out. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.560 Yeah. Yeah, that's all I like to do too. That's 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:17.479 that was enough for me. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.640 That was so much fun. And yeah, I remember when 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.680 we did grinders, we had the ramps set up down 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.760 there and the rope swing was there, so we would 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.920 all like between shooting, everybody that was also ride in 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.760 ramps with bikes and rollerblades and skateboards would also be 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.719 swinging on the ropes. Tra I mean, our house was 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:34.440 just the death drop. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.240 It should change it from redwood Shire to like bone 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:39.680 breaker tents or whatever. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:42.440 Just break something when you come there. 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.160 We had we had we had something very similar here, 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.080 but it was out over water, right. And then the 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.640 best we had trellis ones too, where you know, you'd 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.040 go to like a a creek or something where there 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.320 was a bridge and you jump off the very dangerous 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:57.240 rickety bridge to think or the brave kids would I'd 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.760 be like, wow, look at them jumping, but yeah. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:02.680 That always jump off a bridge and you didn't do it. 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.720 I didn't. I was the guy who was not jumping 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.560 off the bridge. I was always the guy who was 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.880 who was too scared to do the kind of like. 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.000 Hey man, we're gonna race, or we're gonna you know, 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:13.400 we're off. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:13.760 To the side. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.440 Yeah, exactly, mutual killing myself, but I'd like to do 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:17.360 it slowly. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.560 I didn't want to hurt myself like jumping off a 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:20.200 bridge or something. 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.040 By the way, have you, either of you been on 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:25.600 a swing set recently? 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.000 Yeah? They make me a little dizzy. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:28.160 Now. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.000 I was gonna say, do you now get nauseous like 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:31.720 I do on the swing a little bit? 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:32.040 Yeah. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.320 I didn't think it was gonna happen because I was like, oh, 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.000 come on, but it does. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.960 It's a little that's a real thing. Yeah, real thing. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:40.920 I felt the same way. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.120 I was like, oh my god, swings are so much fun. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.280 Oh my god, this is wow. Oh my god, I'm 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:46.440 now completely. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.040 Yeah. You guys had much more adventurous childhoods than I did. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.360 I liked to go to the mall. 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:54.560 I was gonna say, you had your mall. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:55.640 I had my mall. 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:56.600 And it depends. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:00.240 Give me nice the coffee, being nice blendids and being 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.840 for BRA's at Victoria's Secret, and watching X Files with 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:09.320 my family and having sleepovers on the phone to Andy. 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:14.360 That was just you know, that was that was my childhood. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.880 So anyway, I do miss the ropes wing. I actually 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.720 didn't remember that the ropes swing. It snapped in half. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.680 I thought he like fell off, not the thing actually disconnected. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.560 Did they sue you? Yeah, oh wow, they really wait 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:28.640 to bury the lead. 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.360 I know, well, I mean, you know, I mean, and 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:32.640 it was one of those things. I was like, yeah, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.040 but you knew what you were doing. But of course, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.280 like he had a I mean yeah, like there's a 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:41.200 piece of equipment on your property, and he was like 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.520 we talked about it later, like I ended up meeting 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.120 up with the tour later. He did end up going 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.080 back to the tour like after I left and working 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.679 and get you know, but yeah, he sued. He sued us, 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.000 and we lost our insurance. We had to you know, 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.280 like whatever they settled our insurance luckily settled for us, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:57.920 but then dropped us and we had to get rid 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:58.080 of the. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.600 Ropes wing and like buy ropes wing. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:01.800 That is the difference when you grow up with your 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.679 parents as lawyers. We had a trampoline that no one 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.600 was allowed to go on unless they signed a waiver. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.600 Right seriously, I had a waiver to go on. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.199 We would have had waivers right like yeah you have 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.480 to or even like a poster a sign that said 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.320 you swing at your own risk or whatever. 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.440 But yeah, welcome to Podmeets World. 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:24.680 I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm rather or strong, I'm wil Ferdell. Guys, 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.680 what the kids want to jump? Again and again and again. 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.640 Well, now that Will doesn't have COVID. He wants to jump. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:33.200 I want to. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.640 I want to jump without that sneeze that wouldn't go everywhere. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.319 Six months later, the tour is back. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.599 We have re scheduled Durham, North Carolina. We will be 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.080 inside you on June nineteenth. Atlanta we will be there 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:51.000 on June twentieth, and New Orleans we will see you 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:52.439 on the twenty first. 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.640 Are we going to be there by ourselves in Durham? 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:55.880 We absolutely are not. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:01.439 We have the one and only Lee No Tis mingus 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 hold the plane for Minus himself is going to be 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:04.760 joining us. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.000 On the nineteenth, is exiting the time warp wormhole that 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.880 he entered and disappeared from our show and appearing on 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.840 our stage. I can't get Danielle saying Durham, We're going 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.040 to be inside of you on the night. I know 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.280 it's not a right. Why should you phrase it like that? 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.319 If you haven't already, please buy your tickets. Podmeets worldshow 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:26.520 dot Com all the time script with her, Yeah right, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.160 we hope to see you there inside you. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.679 God, we hope to be inside of you. I mean 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.360 the town, your city, Please just come, just come. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.640 It would be almost impossible to be a regular listener 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.800 of Podme's World and not already know almost everything about 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.360 this week's guest. He wrote, a unicycle, he juggled, He 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.480 dressed like a very cool miming clown. He apparently broke 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:06.080 to Hillary Tuck's heart. He shared a secret childhood pony 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:09.240 with his brother. He loved Hacky Sack and dungeons and dragons. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.800 He went down a fiberglass slide naked. Listen. 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.560 I could go on and on, but you probably already 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.960 know that I am talking about Rider's brother, actor, director, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:20.720 and photographer Shiloh Strong. 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.560 He was raised in the woods as a knife carrying hooligan. 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.960 He traveled to Hollywood alongside my co host here to 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.960 chase a dream and ended up starring in the often 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.280 mentioned The Mommies, with appearances on Third Rock from the Sun, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.920 Dinotopia twenty four, and CSI, before transitioning behind the camera, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.280 where he teamed up with writer to direct fifteen episodes 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.360 of Girl Meets World. He has since focused on photography. 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.079 But today we are here to talk about life at 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.079 redwood Shire, always standing out in our nineties kid actor crew, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.800 and what it was like being one half of the 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.440 fabulous Strong Brothers. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:58.200 Welcome to the podcast. 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.559 A man whose ears must have been ringing twice a 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.000 week for the past two years. 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:03.960 It's Shiloh Strong. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.319 I don't think he's listened to the podcast. Oh I 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:07.920 have listened to. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:21.960 Yeah, so you have listened to the podcast? 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.680 I have a few. Yeah, sorry, I mean you guys 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.640 have made so many now it's you know. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.680 It's hard to keep up with two a week. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.640 You guys are doing two a week really? Ye oh no, 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:34.720 it's it's been great. I mean the few I have 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.600 listened to, it's just and you listening to the Hillary 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:42.360 Talk one? Right? I did? Yes, lieut present classic. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:46.160 Yeah, it's it's a question I have way later, but 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:47.440 since it came up again. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.000 Let's just talk about it real quick. Hillary Talk. 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.760 Was it the dinner at her house that that made you? 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:54.000 Was that the breaking point? 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:55.040 Because she thinks it was. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.480 Yeah. No, I mean it's funny because yeah, yeah, I know, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.120 well it was like at that period, I was like, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.600 I mean, I guess I was nineteen, I think, And 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:08.640 if you remember writer, do you remember the rope swing 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.320 broke on me that summer? I just didn't just talking 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.480 about that literally on YouTube and we built it again. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:18.880 Yeah no, So like I was out there, it was 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:20.720 like me and Nate and Matt and we were out 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.920 there and I came up and came back and broke 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.320 and I slammed into the ground. I thought for sure 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.760 I broke my back, like it was so bad. So 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.200 I went to the emergency room and they're scanning and 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.480 doing CT scans and everything, and it came back and 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.560 it said it wasn't broken, but it was like bruised 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:36.960 really bad. I couldn't get out of bed for like 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.080 seven days. And that was when I had this plan 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.360 to go to Texas with Hillary and I was going 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.080 to drive out there with my friend to do this 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.960 whole cross country trip. But because my back was so 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.360 messed up, I was just on viking in and like 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.720 just a mess. And then I ended up flying out 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.559 to meet her out there, and we hadn't seen each 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.559 other in a long time, and it had never been 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.760 like an official that we were together, I guess, And 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.960 it was just one of those classic like you know, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.080 jackass nineteen year old guys like well if we never 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.400 really talked about it, then it's not official, you know, like, 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.480 which is a classic guy moved to do because and 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.200 that so then when I got out there and it 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.880 was very much I mean, you know, her family was 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:22.120 very conservative, very Texas, right, you know, and she felt 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.960 like she was introducing you to her family potentially as 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.080 like boyfriend partner rightly, which you know, she's coming from 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.040 a traditional family upbringing in that world, which you know, 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.600 if you bring in this guy into that space, it's like, 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.600 this means a lot. And for me, I grew up like, oh, well, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.760 everybody's just here at redwood Shire and we do this thing, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.280 you know. So it's just yeah, but you know it 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.760 was awful because I really did care about her a 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.720 lot and was you know, yeah, she's wonderful, She's always 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:50.640 been wonderful, and. 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.200 So yeah, it was I say, from this point forward, 0:14:54.200 --> 0:15:01.960 we just blamed the vicodin Yeah, to the everybody's backs and. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.680 Yeah, everyone's had break your back in your heart that rope. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.720 So I'll tell it. That's that's amazing. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.840 I'm just the opposite childa by the way, I if 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.840 I don't discuss it with a woman, then I just 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:13.240 assume we're in a relationship. 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:14.680 That's exactly I. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.440 Don't want to hear. I don't want to hear that 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:18.160 she doesn't want me there, because then I get all 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:19.880 the like, what are you doing in my house? How 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.800 did you get in here? Like all that kind of stuff. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:27.000 A lot. Yes, Sue doesn't know we're married, so don't 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:27.680 say anything. 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.840 She's like, I love this shiny ring. You got me? 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.280 Yes, seriously. I was like, yeah, I love it. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.840 Oh, but to keep the ring, you have to sign 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.640 this piece of paper in front of my dad, in 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.560 front of all our friends. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:42.640 She's like, all right, so mum's the word. All right. 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.240 So Shiloh, there's another question. I just want to get 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.200 out of the way now. It is a question our 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.600 listeners have been hoping to ask you for a while. Now. Oh, really, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.280 did you know your brother had a grappling hook? 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.240 Oh? Yeah, he found it. He's the one who found it. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.880 I found just recently. I found that. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.160 uh no, I remember because you built it in like 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:09.840 welding class, right, class with class. Yeah, so like the 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.200 school and I'm sure you guys have heard about none such, 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.640 but like the that we went to, Like it was 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.320 like it was built on this crazy hill in the 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.680 Redwood forest and there was like this art studio down 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.120 on the bottom where they did pottery, and that's where 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.120 the did welding too. Wright right, yeah, until they got 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:29.280 shut down. They shut it down. But you have to 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.600 class because that would have been awesome. There was a 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.040 rope swimming, There was a climbing wall. We built our 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.720 own climbing while the students we all built the handholds 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.000 for it in pottery class and then put it on 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.680 the wall. And we had a climbing class, like we 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.200 actually learned how to rock climb, but it was all 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.360 like with our own handles. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:50.320 Was Robert the teacher, Yeah, Robert and the teacher teachers 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.720 were all where all your teachers called by their first name. 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.720 I'm just curious, and you know, Ocean's visiting me right 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.640 now in l A. He was. I walked out the door. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.720 He said, you know, have a strophy right recording and 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:05.560 we were reminiscing and Shiloh Chris recently reached out to 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.480 him about starting up a backgrounother. Yeah, Chris, who was 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.879 like one of our favorite teachers who like we just 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.040 he's a legend. He's changed his name though, he's Kestrel now, 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.639 ye isn't it. So I can't wait to send him 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.560 because I was like, you have his email address, I'm 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.520 going to email him. Yeah, but we were reminiscent about 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.600 the school last night. Yeah, so it was Chris. Robert 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.719 Lynn was the principal who ran the school, was at 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.479 her house. Yeah, so we knew them all by their 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.159 first names, and they were all like pretty amazing people 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.520 and you know, super interesting and like it was yeah, 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.080 I mean ocean. And I've spent a lot of time 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.440 the last couple of days reminiscing about it, and it's 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.719 a very interesting space. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:47.520 I'm not entirely sure any of my teachers had first names. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.200 like they were born mister whatever, missus whatever. I mean. Yeah, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.119 the idea where it's like, this is my teacher, Robert 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.040 is crazy. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.760 Robert was an ex Navy seal and like we we 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.119 just Robert was the best because he was so smart. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.600 He's brilliant, but you could just get him to talk 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.760 about anything. So we always knew we wouldn't have to 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:07.960 do biology or whatever. If we could just start, like 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.840 asking him about Vietnam. He was just like he would 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.879 just go on and we'd learn a lot, but no 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.520 biology would be that done. That day. It was amazing. 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.760 I want to get to why the welding studio may 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.520 have been shut down there. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.399 Inspector came through. Yeah I know, I remember, and I 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.320 was so pissed because I was really into it and 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.000 Robert was amazing, and and Tim got really into it. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.480 To remember, Tim Saluzzo, we were like the welding like kids, 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.600 and we would build all these things and and then 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:37.600 the next year it was like now the state or city, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:38.720 show state or. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.359 Whatever, no open flames, the middle of the forest, the 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.720 people thinking my way out of here. 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.080 It's a pretty incredible group of people. Yeah. I think 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.000 it's pretty amazing opportunity to be there. 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:53.800 Yeah, Chilo. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.399 It's also worth mentioning that Will and I did not 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:01.159 know that you two had a pony. That was a 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:05.120 real like shocking revelation to us on the podcast. 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.720 And thrown out sentence like. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.560 Susie our pony. Right, Yeah, do you have some fond 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:12.800 memories of Susie as well? 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.280 Yeah, well I remember when she stepped on my foot, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.560 which that's pretty dense. 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:19.520 We didn't know about that. 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.679 Yeah, no, I can't know. She was great, Like I 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.800 can't remember how we ended up getting a rider because 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.040 she was really old when she came to us. I 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:27.919 feel like it was a neighbor. It was a neighbor 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:30.480 who was getting rid of her and we were and 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.479 the parents were like, whoa, well, we'll take the pony 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.000 and we already had the barn. Did our parents build 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.040 the barn. They must have built. Yeah, they sure they 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:43.600 built the barn. I guess for Susie. Totally the real 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.440 The The thing about Susie, the story about Susie is 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.919 that our so, our grandfather, our mom's dad, was like 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.600 a horse fanatic and he had never been able to 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.399 have a horse his entire life, but he had grown 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:59.320 up working with horses. Well. First of all, he used 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.400 to like he used to like he used to tell 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:06.000 stories about how he would steal the wagons, like the 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.399 horses at the carriage, like horses been buggies in the 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:11.840 nineteen thirties or whatever. He would steal like horse and 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.639 buggies and like is he just loved her. And then 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:14.879 he worked with horses down on. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.520 Just enjoy riding them. 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.080 Yes, as a kid he would joy steal him to 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.040 sell them or no. 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.280 Just because he loved you know. That was our other grandparents. Yeah, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.480 that's true. And then so anyway, so Harry just always 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.000 loved horses. And so when we got Susie, Harry and 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:34.640 Susie had this like special bond and he would always 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.240 just step outside and at our house and say SUSI girl, 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.680 and she would respond, she would answer and then after 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.679 she died, he kept doing it for years every time 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.640 he would step on for Susie. He loved her. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.960 Yeah, would her ghost respond just you know. 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:53.280 Just terrified with that. Oh, that's a great scary story, 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.320 just to say that, that's a good title for a 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:59.480 short story there. No, I remember we, like the parents 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.240 always brought her out when we'd have like kid get togethers, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.359 you know, like there's already us having pony rides at 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.600 redwood Shire and it was like all the kids would 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.800 come over for a birthday party and they'd get put 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:11.680 on the back of the pony and then walked around 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.480 and you know it was Yeah, it was great. But yeah, 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:17.040 I remember feeding her a lot. That was always a chore. 0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:19.639 That was the choice growing up. It was like opening 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.520 the gate feeding Susie. And we'd get a dollar a 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.240 week I think if we didn't. Yeah, big big bucks. 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:31.439 First job, only real job I've ever had. Yeah. Nice? Nice? 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.040 Did she break your foot child? No? I mean it 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.520 felt like it like it's just it was just so 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.720 intense and then she just you know, and I've heard 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:43.800 they do that, like they know when they're doing that. 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:45.600 Somebody told me that a little later. La was like 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:49.360 Oh my god, Susy didn't like she was. She got 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.040 a little she got a little dramatic when she got older. 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.600 I remember she would like pretend to like fall down 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.480 if we put even a kid on her back. She 0:21:56.520 --> 0:22:02.880 would be like, buckle, Okay, we're not going to ride 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:03.800 Susie anymore. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.480 Well, we have talked a lot about the house you 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.760 were raised in, built by hand by your parents, and 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.560 how it really does seem like the antithesis of the 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.520 Hollywood scene. And we know how you guys would travel, 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:20.760 you know, to and from for auditions. What other memories 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.960 do you have about your time at redwood Shire before 0:22:24.000 --> 0:22:26.200 you officially made the transition down to La. 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.840 Before we made it down to La Gosh, I'm trying 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:32.560 to think. I mean, I have vague memories of the 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:36.040 house kind of you know, being built, you know, because 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.640 I was only like one year old. I think there 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.960 and then like the pool was always the most amazing 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.360 thing to have. So I remember just splashing in that 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.400 pool when we were kids endlessly or running around and 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.560 like Rder and I would take our hot wheels what 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:51.600 they called hot wheels, so they were the little yeah, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.480 we wheeler, little guy and we would go around and 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.680 around this pool, which it's just so funny because looking 0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.720 back on it, you know, nowadays you have to build 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:04.199 like gates and fences and fool covers, and it's like 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.320 you watch these videos and it's like, I swear our 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.160 parents were trying to kill us. I'm just like, like everything, 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:13.840 you know, there's like construction equipment and trees falling and 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:17.000 kids running next to pools. And we always watched the 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.679 videos and I'm like, I'm like nervous for these kids, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.199 and I'm like, well, that's us. So I know we 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.560 make it. I know we make it to Okay. It's 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:27.040 still terrifying, but I think it just, you know, it's 0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.119 kind of changed the way we all, you know, have 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.919 let kids do crazy. But yeah, but I mean I 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:36.000 think it was just the freedom. And I remember like 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:39.480 the idea of the forest being because we were back 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.840 next to like, you know, probably about twenty plus acres 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:45.399 I would say, rider like behind us. That was pretty 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:49.360 much it still is just open forest. So like we 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:51.720 grew up, I mean, I remember thinking that that went 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:56.159 on forever and it was this crazy fantasy, dark, scary place, 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:58.960 you know, but we always and I still have dreams 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:00.920 about that I don't know. I think we've talked about 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.640 this all the time. Still it's something ingrained of this 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:06.800 idea of there's something in the forest out there. But 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.240 you know, I always felt so safe because my father 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.359 was always there and mom and so it was you know. 0:24:13.600 --> 0:24:17.000 But and then yeah, we always watched this movie, The 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.119 Wilderness Family. I don't know if you've heard about this. 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:22.880 It's a series of films. They're incredibly bad. They're they're 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:26.480 so bad that they're amazing. But like, I like Writer 0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:29.400 and I definitely related to that. When't you say writer, 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:31.679 that was like, oh story, it was like it was 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.840 like a movie. It's it's this horrible movie. I made 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:36.760 Indy watch it like a couple of months ago. It 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:38.680 really couldn't get through it. Oh so you can see 0:24:38.720 --> 0:24:42.919 the boom mic dropping in. Like it was family, a 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.520 series of family films, and it was like an independent 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.840 family film that some like I think like Christian Company 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:51.879 had made or whatever, and it was actually kind of 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.600 a hit at the time. But they it was about 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.800 a family movie. I think, to Alaska and they they 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.639 in La from La they like lead the big city 0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:02.880 and they go to this and then it's just them 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.359 dealing with the wilderness and all these animal encounters, and 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.720 we like watch these movies all the time and totally 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.560 absorbed it as sort of like a legend of our own. 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.600 Family, like so like that's us, Yes, that's us. 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.800 And we related so much and and yeah, like when 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.119 I rediscovered these movies and like I remember when I 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.919 was like in college, I think I was like, Sheela, 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:24.480 do you remember the and we got a hold of 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.400 one and we watched it. We were like this explained 0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.560 so much, like this is this is why we still 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.919 have bear dreams, even though there aren't really bears up 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:34.600 in northern callifornia're like where we were, Yeah there have 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.560 been some, but but we were like always worried about 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.919 bears and wildcats. And it was like, oh, because we 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.359 watched these freaking films that are supposed to be family films, 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.159 but for us, they were like a horror film of 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.800 what our real life was. But if you remember right 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.520 when we watched them again and like there was no 0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.680 like animal child safety on those sets. It's it is terrifying. 0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:56.920 Like there's this one sequence where here's a little girl 0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.200 and she's getting attacked by wolves and you like you're 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.879 literally seeing this child like crying on screen, like true fear, 0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.239 and there's like coyotes or dogs running around here, and 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:09.680 like as an adult watching and I was like, oh no, 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:11.760 like I have no idea how they shot. They have 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.399 they have raccoons with the kids in bed, they like 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:16.640 they have all these real animals and you know it's 0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:19.520 pre cg like everything is real, and it's yeah that 0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.879 I'm sure that shoot was not following labor laws. Yeah, no, 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:23.760 it doesn't sound like it. 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.119 So it's like it's like Robinson Crusoe kind of but 0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.560 a different, like, you know, a low budget kind of version. 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.400 Let's just get a bunch of wild animals and kids 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.520 and throw them into a Okay, interesting. 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.000 Well, we also heard all about the movies that you 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:50.879 and your parents would make when you were kids, and 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:54.120 basically that just kind of set the track for where 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.960 you both ended up. Did it feel like from the 0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.680 time you were really young that you and writer were 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.960 just always going to work in the same field in 0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:03.040 the entertainment industry. 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.320 Yeah, you know, I think we've traced it back before, 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.080 because we started making the movies when we were you know, 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.920 like four three around there, and then we kept giving 0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.359 that every time we'd like, you know, come up with 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.119 an idea and then we'd get together and shoot it 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.800 with the whole family. And then we went We came 0:27:20.840 --> 0:27:23.879 down to La and we must have been like seven, 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.200 I think or eight, yeah, and went to Universal Studios, right, 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:30.480 and we saw at that time they didn't have the 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.040 water World exhibit, but they did a whole wild West 0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:40.159 like the Stunt Spectacular. Yeah, yeah, of course it was great. Yeah, right, 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.000 it was great, and we were you know, that was 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.040 our first movie we made. We were cowboys or turned 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.840 Toto superheroes. We were already like into that fight anyway. 0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.320 So then I remember we came back and we were like, well, 0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:52.239 how do they do the punching? And we had this 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.040 whole thing where it was like, oh if you who 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:55.600 told us this, I don't know, but if you put 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.639 a piece of paper under your shirt and then you 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.080 like make a punch and then you slap your chest 0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:03.840 and it sounds like a sounds sounds like a really 0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.760 good movie punch. Sound. Yeah, you're not doing fully, that's great. Yeah. Yeah. 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:13.480 So we we choreographed the whole fight sequence and did 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:16.639 it for the Talent Show, right, And this what grade 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.840 was that I was in kindergarten. So I was five, Yeah, 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.720 so you were in six or seven? Yeah, and we yeah, 0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.960 and we we basically built a whole and it was 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.280 like we did a whole choreograph. We also had characters. 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:31.280 It was our first acting ever really and it just killed, like, 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:33.240 you know, watching these two kids like beat the crap 0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.520 out of each other, and like we had all these 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.439 bits and like I would go like in and in 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.320 and in, and then you'd like punch me and we'd 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.200 roll around, we throw each other, and it was like 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:44.520 so yeah, we would just commit, you know, and our 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.400 parents helped us like choreograph the whole thing. And then 0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.080 I remember when I was like nineteen or something or 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.360 maybe a little bit younger, there was this guy I 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:54.920 think his name was Jamie, and he was like the 0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.360 super tough kind of scary kid, and I remember he 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.400 was like I remember seeing you guys, like he remembered 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:07.000 that show that we had put off from kindergarten. Yeah, 0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.160 And then every year we would do a different thing 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.480 at the talent show. So we did magic, we did 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:17.080 we did this the wrestling thing where I was amazing. 0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:19.960 Strong brothers what did you call yourself? Just the strong 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:22.400 Brother's Magic Show, Strong Brother's Magic Show. Okay, I knew 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.440 there was a title, the Strong Brother's Magic Show. Yeah. 0:29:24.480 --> 0:29:27.920 And then we did birthday parties birthday parties to perform there. 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.800 Yeah, and then we started taking acting classes. What was 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.760 your big trick though, Like, what was the ending trick? 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:33.480 What did you end on? 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.560 Needles the balloon? I was just gonna say that. Yeah, yeah, 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.760 so you pull out you have balloons on our table 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:40.640 and we would pop a couple of them, and then 0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:42.719 we would bring up someone from the audience using an adult, 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.720 like we brought up our principal or like somebody or 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:51.480 a parent from what the prince's name was, Yeah, exactly somebody, 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:55.560 and then we would and then we would take a 0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:57.920 needle and put it through the balloon while they held 0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:59.920 the balloon, and the balloon wouldn't pop, and it was 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:01.880 like how did they do it? And then we could 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.320 still Yeah it was a whole you know, special a 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.240 special balloon. How did you do it? Okay? It was 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.240 a special thick balloon. So it's like the certain balloons 0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.400 that we knew were like you know hidden well oil too, 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.240 do you remember you had You would take the rag 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.520 and you would wipe wipe them across the needle and 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.520 it was like w D forty or something. 0:30:21.280 --> 0:30:23.440 And that helps it go through, right. 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:28.080 Yeah, what are your memories about traveling to LA for 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.360 pilot seasons. Was it like a family trip? Did you 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.680 guys drive down together? What were those like? 0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.360 I mean, I've done that drive so many times, it's 0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:40.600 just burn my memory. Like now when I do it, 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:42.480 actually take the one to one just for a change, 0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.360 and yeah, it takes a little bit longer, but yeah, 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.040 I mean I remember it was always so I mean, 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:50.880 it's funny to try and think back on it now 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.160 because I can't believe how much we were doing when 0:30:53.160 --> 0:30:56.320 I think about like how fast things were moving, you know, 0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.040 but time is just so different when you're a kid too. 0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.280 But it's really made me appreciate what my parents were 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.520 able to do, you know, to be able to adjust 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.520 their schedule, which I mean only you know, because our 0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:09.760 father was a firefighter, he was able to make those 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:13.760 changes in the schedule. Yeah. Yeah, but I remember the 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.800 oak Woods was kind of our first spot where you know, 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.600 we hunkered down and then it was just always auditioning 0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.000 and running around. But I mean, I have positive memories 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.280 of that whole experience because it was we were just 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.080 a group of kids, you know, playing all the time, 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:33.080 and yeah, so rollerblading, yeah, role Oh my god, we 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.160 rollerbladed so much it was crazy. Yeah. 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.960 We've talked a lot about the oak Woods. Who who was? 0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:39.760 Who else was there with you? Who was kind of 0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:41.560 like your la oak Wood crew? 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.280 I Rember because we were there a little We'll. 0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:44.840 Just raised his hands. 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.440 Was there? Were you the oak Woods when we started? Boy? Yeah? 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.960 Why three seventeen? Baby? Why three seventeen? 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:51.320 Right? 0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.600 Oh my god, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, I was. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:57.160 That's where Spencer and I lived. Oh that's right, totally 0:31:57.280 --> 0:32:00.520 my first car, Spencer, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Oh man, 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.360 that was that was a show. Remember that. I know 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.000 that was a bummer man. Well, yeah, so I I was. 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:09.440 My first car was a nineteen seventy three Super Beetle 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:13.040 that Will's best friend Spencer had bought, and it was 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.120 like a convertible nable Beetle. It was so awesome. It 0:32:16.200 --> 0:32:16.560 was sick. 0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:21.320 It had Pender racing, the racing air shift, the racing clutch, 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.840 and there was like some kind of illegal engine in it, 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.000 which we did not know, so. 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:29.160 I couldn't get it smogged, and then it was then 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.240 I ended up having to sell the thing anyway, but 0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.200 it was it was the coolest car I was not 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:36.520 at sixteen, and that car was. 0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.440 It was so great and I had to take so Spencer, 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:40.480 my roommate at the time. 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.920 Spencer bought it, hated it. Had never driven stick before. 0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.320 He lived and grew up in New York City and 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:47.360 then went to college in Pennsylvania, so he never had 0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.160 a car or a license until he moved to la 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.080 at twenty seven twenty eight. The first car he got 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.720 was that he couldn't stand it because he hated the 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.680 stick shift. So he took my Selica, which was also 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.560 a stick shift, but a lot easier to use, and 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:02.400 I use that and so I'd bring that to work. 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:04.880 And that's when Shiloh, either writer. Shiloh saw it and 0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:07.280 was like, I want that cars like it's my roommates. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.800 I think he wants to get rid of it. So 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.080 he sold it to Shiloh. And then I get a 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:14.959 call from Shilah like, dude, I can't smock this car. 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:15.440 It's illegal. 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:17.600 I'm like what it's like, but I've been driving this 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.320 thing for months. He's like you've been driving it illegally. 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:21.800 Like what, I don't know what to do. Yeah, it 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.160 was a whole thing. I was like, I don't know 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.960 what to do. It was crazy California thing too. It 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.360 probably came from another state like this I'm with. It 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:33.320 was yellow and white, remember that. It was gorgeous looking. 0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.560 It was great. It was silo. The big moment that 0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:39.520 like that pulled us into LA was the Dick Tracy audition. 0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.840 Oh yeah, do you remember that? Like, yeah, yeah, it's funny. 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.120 I remember the limo ride. That was the big Exactly, 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.960 they sent a rimo to Redwood Shire. So what happened 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.560 is we had gotten you know, we had been doing 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:55.280 plays locally and there was a local agent who represented 0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.840 like you know, mostly background and commercial actors for the 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.160 local area and Sono mccount and she got ahold of 0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:04.400 us and said, oh, they're auditioning for this part in 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.120 the Dick Tracy movie and we can put you on 0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.279 tape for it and send it down to LA. And 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:11.600 so we went and did a whole scene with her. 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:15.240 Each of us took taking turns and they like had props, 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.560 like we set it up like as actual shoot, and 0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:19.759 then they sent the tape off, and you know, we 0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:21.120 were like, Wow, that would be cool to be in 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.200 a movie or whatever. And that was our first audition 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.560 really and then nothing. And then like six months later, 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.000 we got a call and they were like, can you 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:32.000 be it? Both of you? It's down to nine kids 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:34.560 the same part for the same part. Can we bring 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.319 We're gonna fly you guys down to Los Angeles. And 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.480 sure enough, like the next morning, a limo pulled up 0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:43.960 to Redwitchshire, which was just the most like what is happening? 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.720 Hollywood is calling and they wanted, you know, they wanted 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.279 to meet us, and and my mom was there, and 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.560 my dad had just had brain surgery. Oh, he had 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.640 had a brain tumor that Christmas. And so this was 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.600 like January or February. I was nine years old and 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.160 so you were ten, Chilah, and we and my dad 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:03.560 was like I'm not you know, he was like I 0:35:03.600 --> 0:35:05.640 have to go too, because we're all going as a family. 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:06.640 But he was still like. 0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:08.840 Completely covering surgery. 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.560 My god. It was awful. And we all flew to 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:13.120 l A and of course we were just so stoked 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.000 in the limo. I think about how stressed out my 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.880 parents were and that the company would only pay for 0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:19.680 one plane ticket for our parents, so we had to 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:21.719 like buy a last minute ticket for my dad, which 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:25.359 costs so much money. And that's how they get, you get. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.080 So we all went to l and I still remember 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.400 every time I drive by the Universal Sheraton, that hotel 0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.560 that we stayed. Yeah, that's and we flew down. They 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:35.480 picked us up in a limo. They drove us to 0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.239 the audition. We had to wait in the waiting room 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.920 and we each read for the kid had a horrible 0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:46.520 experience because the well, they improved and we didn't, you know, 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:48.960 we had no idea what we were doing. We just 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.600 done plays. We wait, what are you? 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:51.400 What are you doing there? 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:52.720 We had the wrong. 0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.360 Thages exactly exactly. 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.279 Well, do you remember anything about who else was in 0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:00.920 the waiting room with you? I mean it was everybody there. 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:03.680 Yeah. Well I walked out and said they changed a line, 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:06.520 So I told everybody, which then prep all the other kids. 0:36:07.120 --> 0:36:09.080 There was one kid who didn't end up getting the part, 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.640 and he was with us a lot and talked to 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.919 us and he was like, they would give this part 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:17.080 to me, but I'm too tall. So you know, they're 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.879 saying that they could just chop me off at the knees. 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.640 I'd already have the part. He like totally, like you know, 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.360 like a good kid actor, he already knows how to 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:28.799 work the waiting room, work the waiting room. And then 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.759 we went back to the Universal Sheraton and got the 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:33.799 call that night that neither of us had gotten the part. 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:35.920 And then we flew back the next day. But he 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:39.400 was such a stressful but exciting. And then that was 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.400 like that was when you know, agents and people started 0:36:42.400 --> 0:36:44.440 saying like, oh, these you know, you should come to 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.040 LA And it still took a while. For one thing, 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.840 we worked and I did a couple of commercials and you, 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.440 I think you did too, right, We worked out of 0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.000 San Francisco, and then when I didn't, and. 0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:57.040 That was that took over everything for that you know, writer, 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.120 does it ever hit you occasionally though, that when you're 0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:03.400 talking about stories like this, you're essentially Indie's age. Yeah, 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:05.399 I mean, isn't that weird to like look at him 0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:06.680 and be like, Okay, when I was at age, I 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.960 was auditioning for Dick Tracy. It's crazy, I mean, right, 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.760 But it also kind of like because Indy is very performed, 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.400 like I'm like it kind of makes sense. And also, 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:19.919 like like us, you just realize, like, oh, if if 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.640 a kid can like do this in any capacity, it's like, oh, 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:25.640 you go right to the top. It's not like wanting 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.359 to be in your twenties and wanting to be an 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.239 actor where the pool is so big. When you're a 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.600 kid who can do any of these things, you get 0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.239 jobs or you get callbacks because you're rare, you know. 0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.719 And that's the thing, like we we thought we were 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.680 just doing something that came very naturally, but actually because 0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.200 of all the movie making and conversations and you know, 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.960 we just put a lot of energy into acting and 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.000 making up stuff and it paid off. 0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.440 You know, it was and it was always fun. It was. 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.920 It was just it was the transportation that was stressful. 0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:56.480 And then I think about it from our parents' perspective, 0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.000 it's just, oh my god, I can't commitment. It takes totally. 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:00.279 Oh. 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.040 I mean, that's what you think about anybody whose parents 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:05.160 aren't able to drop everything, because I mean, you guys 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.080 remember those days. I mean you'd get an audition the 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.839 same day, and back then before the fax machine, which 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:12.280 was so amazing, you'd have to drive to your agent 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.560 to pick up the script and the sides and then 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.080 try and get a coaching or maybe not, and then 0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.040 go right to the audition. And we were doing that 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.000 sometimes three times a day, and we're like, oh my gosh. 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:23.600 Jeez, I don't miss those days. 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.640 The parent, I like, yeah, doing it as a parent, 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.080 I'm just like, you know, I couldn't see it. I 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:30.719 couldn't do that. 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.640 They'd have to plant because I was I lived three 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:34.319 hours from New York. They'd have to plan when my 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.439 audition was so i'd have to get the call, all right, 0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:39.399 four days from now you have an audition kind of thing. Yeah, 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.000 last minute stuff didn't work unless it was for something huge, 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.719 right that My my parents knew that. It was like 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.400 the agent couldn't call and be like we need you 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.640 here tomorrow at eight. It's like, we can't. 0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:49.960 It's not possible. 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.440 So yeah, it's weird to hear the la kids though. 0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:54.920 I mean, we're just you run in and you do 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:55.880 your stuff, you. 0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.360 Go back to your life. Yeah, that's I don't remember 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.400 how you got into it. Will I'd be so curious 0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:02.560 to hear how that all came about. 0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:04.239 Like, I don't know if I thought you listened to 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:11.320 the podcast Shiloh. 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:15.640 Season one, episode three about I started the kind of 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.319 the same way you both did, just the East Coast version. 0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:18.480 You know. 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.839 I started on stage in Hartford, and then I get 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.200 auditions in New York and I would get on the 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.440 bus three hours down in New York City and my 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.239 manager would pick me up at the bus and I'd 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.799 walk into the city and they'd say, you know, you're 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:32.440 too fat, and I'd get back on the bus and 0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:37.919 any cigarettes and I would go back. So yeah, that's 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.719 what you know. My my manager wouldn't always. 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:40.960 Pick me up. 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:42.759 So by you know, twelve, I was a lot of 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:45.000 times just walking the city myself, going to my auditions. 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.279 It was great. I wouldn't change a. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.640 Thing, right again, coming you guys dealt with this when 0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.520 you know you love your town's basketball, it's an amazing place. 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.880 But getting out to like a city. 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.600 I had more real life in the four hours I 0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:59.640 was in New York City than you know, a week 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:02.680 and eight, just because you're around people and culture and 0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:04.840 different languages, different sounds, different smells. 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:05.759 I mean, everything is just. 0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.399 Like figuring it out on your own as a kid. 0:40:08.520 --> 0:40:10.040 It's awesome. Yeah, it was great. 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:25.040 Well, we have commonly heard story after story from different 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.080 nineties kid actors we have had where they have a 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:31.960 story where a certain role came down to them and 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:37.520 Shiloh Strong. Yes, who do you remember always seeing at auditions? 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.560 And was there anything you didn't book or that you 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.000 came very close to booking that still haunts you? 0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:47.040 Oh gosh, jeez, that's a fun question. Oh God, I 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.840 feel bad. I don't remember, honestly, I have a terrible memory. 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:55.480 But I remember one what you for Eric on board? 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.280 I don't think I did Man. 0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:00.400 But I was told that it was between me and 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:01.959 Jason for Almost Home. 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.839 Oh that sounds familiar, yes, right? 0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.400 And then the next year was also between you, me 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.000 and Jay for for Eric. 0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:12.160 Was I told before I ever got there? Oh, maybe 0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.120 they might have just been given you. They might have 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:18.760 that might they they wanted you to network against Will 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:21.160 and Jason. And I said, you got because you got 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.080 offered the mommies. The moms gave me off. You didn't 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:25.799 even have to read for it. That's right, you know what? 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:30.040 Because I did that pilot odd Man Out, which was awesome, 0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:31.920 which I loved so much, and I was senior at 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.799 the Star of and it was and it was like 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:40.040 that was and yeah with Hillary Swank, which you know, 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.520 seeing her go on to become a superstar, and it 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.680 was like yeah, like yeah that was that was so 0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:50.160 much fun. Gosh what year was that? Oh god, right 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:55.400 before Boys two? Really boy Yeah, yeah, you would have 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.719 been shooting it in ninety three, like summer. It was 0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.759 a pilot, so it would have been spring of ninety three. 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.720 And then when it didn't get picked up is when 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:08.000 you got offered the Mommies Mommies or a network test 0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.120 to be on Boy Me's World, right, which and I 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:12.160 remember being like, well, this would be weird if we're 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:15.640 on the same show. Others, yeah, not playing brothers. I 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.720 remember being I think we've had conversations like it's funny. 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.719 I have a specific memory of being I was up 0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.239 at redwood Shire and I remember trying to make that 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.520 decision about whether or not I should go and yeah, 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.520 I do this is this is right? And I remember 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:30.959 I was climbed a tree because that's what we. 0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:33.279 Did back where you went and thought, of course where 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:33.600 I would go. 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.840 And think and I remember being like, okay, do I 0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:37.320 want to do this? And I remember I feel like 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:40.280 we were having conversations. Writer and also with the parents 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.120 just being like, how could we be on the same 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:44.399 TV show but not be brothers, Like it doesn't make 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:46.480 any sense, Like it's just going to be a weird 0:42:46.520 --> 0:42:50.759 thing just from like a r standpoint, So they're not 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.239 really brothers, but I don't know. Yeah, And then I 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:58.000 was also so sick of auditioning, I think, and you know, 0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.400 I was so bummed that Odd Man Out didn't go 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.799 because that had been such a fun project and I 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.160 was so excited about that. And then here was the 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.759 Mommy is where it was like a sure thing and 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:09.919 it was kind of a smaller part, and I was like, yeah, 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:11.880 I think I'll just you know, go that run. I 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.000 was also on NBC, which was a better network. I 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.400 remember it was always yeah, considered. Yeah. So then I 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.640 came back and I was like, yeah, no, so yeah, 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:21.359 So I don't think I ever auditioned for it well, 0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:24.399 and it wasn't like they offered it to me, but yeah, 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.000 I mean, gosh, if that had, I mean, you know, 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.920 alternate realities, I don't think the show would have gone if. 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.840 I oh, who knows. I just think I remember looking 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.120 at the two of you though. If this makes sense, 0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:36.960 how I'm going to describe this. If you were the 0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:41.239 same age as you were ten years later, there's no 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.200 way Disney Channel wouldn't have come to you and been like, 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.200 we want to do a brother show. It would have 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.400 been perfect for that, because like ten years later is 0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:51.600 when the all the twin Stuff kids started happening on 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:53.680 Disney Channel and all the brothers sister stuff are. You 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.040 would have been the perfect Disney team to do some 0:43:57.160 --> 0:43:57.920 kind of a show. 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.400 If in reality, if we had just not if we 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.960 didn't have other shows we were on, it probably would 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.120 have happened because you look at the Lawrence brothers, they 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.800 were already being cast together as brothers consistently because it 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.000 is it's even more rare that you have kid actors 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:14.239 who can both you know, act and look alike and 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.640 be brothers, and it's more convenient for the family. Like 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:19.480 it makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, we never we never 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:19.919 got there. 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:23.280 Yeah, yeah, I want to see a show that starred 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:26.800 the Lawrence brothers, the Savage Brothers, and the Strong Brothers. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:29.759 I don't even know what it would be, but just 0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:32.400 every all that Powerhouse teams together. 0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:34.520 Would have been really interesting to watch. There's still time 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:39.160 will our first pilot season, Shiloh, you the job. Our 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:40.920 mom said, Okay, we're going to go down to the 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:43.120 oak Woods. We're going to go down for pilot season, 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:45.280 which was two or three months, and if the kids 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:48.359 get jobs, then we'll pursue this part of our lives. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.879 If they don't, then we won't. And by the end 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:53.839 of that pilot season, I had booked The Jewelie Show. 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.000 So I was on a sitcom and you booked House 0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.279 of Cards right right. It was a great movie with 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:04.000 Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones and that was Do 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.919 do you remember your audition for that with Mally Finn, 0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.600 the legendary casting director. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. She 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:12.160 was so supportive and that was all improv I remember 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.640 we were like but by that time I had some 0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:18.640 chops in those situations, and I remember, Yeah, that was 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.400 a great audition. And then that was an amazing experience 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.719 because going out there the director Michael Lessak, who I 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.920 think this was the first feature that he had made, 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:30.400 and it was a I don't know if it was 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.320 a Mirramax film at that point, yes, was it already 0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.239 because then it went to Sundance, But did it get 0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.080 bought when it went to Sunday, and I think it 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:40.680 was always a Mirramax film, but like we had an 0:45:40.840 --> 0:45:44.160 entire month I think of rehearsal of what just wow. 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.640 And Michael Jackie was the like dialogue coach, so she 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.279 worked with me one on one on like all of 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.919 our scenes, and I remember, like it was just such 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.000 an incredible experience for a young actor to be able 0:45:58.040 --> 0:46:01.280 to have that kind of support and the ability to play, 0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.040 you know. But I remember I had no idea how 0:46:05.280 --> 0:46:08.080 like the first scene that we shot. I didn't understand 0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:12.480 how like camera angles worked and like how multiple takes happened. 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.120 So I remember like doing it kind of like once 0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.759 and thinking Okay, great, we did it, and they're like, okay, great, 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:20.000 we're going to do it again and move And I 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.680 was like wait what, Like that was such a foreign concept, 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:28.000 just the basic mechanics of it. Like yeah, but that 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.040 was a very cool, very cool experience like that three 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.720 months in North Carolina. Yeah. I mean the movie doesn't 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.719 age well. Unfortunately. It's kind of an outdated way of 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.360 like perceiving autism, you know, based on what we understand 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:44.319 about autism nowadays, you know, and like one woman trying 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.799 to get back in touch with her daughter who might 0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:51.360 be autistic. But so, you know, from a medical standpoint, 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:54.920 I don't think it really right, but yeah, but it was. 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:56.640 It was a very cool experience. I then going to 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.120 Sundance as a you know, eleven year old and being 0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.920 an adip. She's being like, what's happened? 0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.640 Were you wildly intimidated around Tommy Lee Jones and Kathleen 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.520 Turner or did you just feel right in your element? 0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.600 Oh? No, they were great, Like I mean, yeah, it 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:11.680 was awesome, you know. I mean that's the thing. I 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.800 think all of us had that, Like when you're acting 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.560 and you know, like if you're working with a real actor, 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.560 like a profictional older actor, like they're going to be 0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.400 giving you everything you need as a young actor to 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:25.319 be able to go, oh oh you get it. Okay, great, 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:27.360 let's let's do this and then we're playing you know, 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:29.759 And that was and that was great to be able 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:33.880 to have them and support for that. You know, Yeah, 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:34.439 it was cool. 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:37.080 That's so awesome. Did you come by the Boy Meets 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.080 World set a lot? 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.120 I don't really remember you being on set all the time, 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:43.000 but you must have been, right, I do. 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:46.200 Yeah, I remember coming by, like Danielle. We didn't really 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:47.200 hang out that much. 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.640 No, I didn't hang out. I was I was really young. 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.239 Yeah, totally, and I think we I would come for 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:58.319 tape show for the eight nights, yeah nights. Yeah, and 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:00.640 that was always fun or stop by I you know, 0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:02.799 once Rider got a car and we were all kind 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.000 of like driving around LA and doing stuff. So I know, 0:48:05.040 --> 0:48:09.080 we all like went out for like lunch, you know, yes, 0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.040 you know where Jerry's I think was another one. 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:14.879 Oh yeah, Jerry's Amsterdam yea and Amsterdam. 0:48:14.920 --> 0:48:18.319 That was so much fun. We was just looking at 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:20.600 pictures of though maybe you sent him to me. It 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.000 was like, yeah, Jason Marsden, you me and Marsden and 0:48:24.200 --> 0:48:25.640 an angel I did. 0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:27.839 We've heard the story about you having was it your 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:29.800 backpack basically. 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:33.520 But I know who calls that to a kid, you know, 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:38.080 the car back literally on the ride back. 0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.760 From the I don't want to do this trade. 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:41.600 I don't think this is a fair trade, and handing 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:43.520 him back to the backpack he had used. 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.920 The entire trip. We looked at each other like this 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:48.280 can't that can't be real. It can't it just happened. 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.279 I remember one of the coolest moments of that trip, though, 0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.680 I remember was you and I were walking through the 0:48:53.760 --> 0:48:57.160 lines applying and I looked at you and I went, dude, 0:48:57.160 --> 0:49:00.200 I like your shirt, and you I like your Sure, 0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:02.480 I want to trade. And in the middle of the 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:05.359 street we just swap shirts. And I think I had 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:06.279 it to like a month ago. 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.520 I want to trade is like, I don't. I don't know. 0:49:10.600 --> 0:49:14.000 It's such a such a teenager thing, like I want 0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:15.960 to trade. 0:49:16.760 --> 0:49:19.080 We were very we were very big into the magic 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.839 cards then too right, Oh yeah about because we would 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:23.640 play for anti and it was if you got the 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.760 one card and then we would be trading cards. 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:28.279 And like I still I still use when I do play, 0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.200 I still use a card that I won from you. 0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:32.680 I still use Balance all the time. Remember Balance, That's 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.440 such a great card. It's a great card, and I 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.560 still use Yeah, yeah, it was great. 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:40.520 I want to try that out in the wild with 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:41.800 another woman's handbag. 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.719 I love your handbag. Oh thanks, I love yours. Would 0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:45.480 you like to trade? 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:46.160 Trade? 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.879 You just want to try to offer trades. I want 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:50.600 to see how it goes. I'll let you know how 0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:51.840 this experiment works. 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:52.680 Well, here's the thing. 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.879 When two people consider it equal the trade goes very well, 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:58.920 and when one is not trying to take advantage of 0:49:58.960 --> 0:50:02.560 the other person, the trade it is very successful. It's 0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.560 when one person is nefarious. 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:08.960 Said trade does not work. So I think part of 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.200 the reason that you didn't I weren't always on the 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:14.160 set is that you were also on the Mommies. You were, 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.040 so you guys, were you Friday tape nights? Is that 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:20.360 what you did? Do you remember? That sounds familiar? Yeah, 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.200 I'm trying to remember what It was a period there 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:26.319 because I got my proficiency when I was sixteen, and 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.720 then I got emancipated, and so I was like pretty 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:32.719 much on my own down here. You know. We were 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:35.640 living in that Encino house, if I remember. But then 0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.160 I started going to La Valley Community College, so I 0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.239 would go there for night classes and then go to 0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:46.280 yeah work, But I feel like I was only showing 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.319 up because I didn't have to do school and I 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:49.800 didn't you know, I would only have a couple of 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.680 scenes usually in an episode, so it was a pretty 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.360 easy thing. So I would just drive on and you know, 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.719 do my rehearsal and then do the run through, and 0:50:57.760 --> 0:51:00.279 then I was pretty much done until you know, the 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.719 tape night. Do you do you have a clear like, like, 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.560 do you have a memory of what the difference between 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.280 the sets was like in terms of like the creative 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:14.160 environment or the production process, Like what is there? That's great? 0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:14.680 H you know. 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.160 The thing was you guys. What I loved about coming 0:51:17.200 --> 0:51:19.400 to you guys was you guys were all the same age, 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:21.560 and you had a bunch, you know, and you guys 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.160 were all friends. Like it was just it was a 0:51:23.200 --> 0:51:25.920 great group of people, like and you know, we were 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:28.320 all you know, like you guys were all playing together 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.680 and working the scenes and getting the laughs, and you know, 0:51:31.840 --> 0:51:34.320 it was just a it was a really great energy 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:37.560 on the set, you know, and on the Mommy is 0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:40.960 like everybody was nice. But I was the only teenager, 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.279 Like it was basically everybody else were adults or they 0:51:44.280 --> 0:51:48.360 were young kids. So I was just kind of by myself, 0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.200 you know, and I was kind of going through a 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.360 period where I was didn't really want to be in 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:55.840 Los Angeles, Like I was flying back up to Northern 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:58.400 California pretty much every weekend because I had at do 0:51:58.400 --> 0:51:58.759 you have. 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.640 Someone to give a white rose too? As well? 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:05.160 Who was your Maureen? Yeah, let's see at that time 0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.760 I was I was dating this this this girl Emily 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:13.040 for a while. Yeah, but then I mean, I guess 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:15.239 then Hillary, and then that was dating Hillary and that 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:17.000 was kind of you know which I don't know how 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:20.960 long we were together for until I broke her heart 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:22.839 apparently to say, yeah, just long enough to meet her 0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:25.759 parents once, and that was it. I'm actually seeing her. 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:27.200 We're going to beat up. Because after I listened to 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.600 the podcast, I was just like, oh my god, I'm going. 0:52:30.600 --> 0:52:31.319 To reach out to her. 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:34.160 Well, I'm such positive memories of her, like she was 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.760 She's wonderful, and also hearing her voice on the podcast, 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.040 I was like, oh my god, I miss her. Yeah, 0:52:40.120 --> 0:52:40.920 she's awesome. You know. 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.719 I that that same I had a similar I mean, 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:45.680 obviously I got along with Rider very well, and got 0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.239 along with Ben and got along with Danielle, but I 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:48.960 was the same thing. It was like, there were the 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.960 adults and then they were kind of they had their group. 0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.839 Then then Rider and Ben they were all kind of together, 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.640 and then I was just old enough to kind of 0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.000 be in the middle totally. 0:52:58.120 --> 0:52:59.520 So yeah, it was like, well, do. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.600 I want to go have an uncomfortable lunch with the 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:04.480 adults or an uncomfortable lunch with the younger guys. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:08.560 Like you remember Shilah decided he was going to learn juggling, right, 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:10.759 and he would say, you have your own trailer and 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:13.319 you would just juggle and like you were just got 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:15.640 to decided you were going to like learn all these 0:53:16.400 --> 0:53:18.919 like your own tricks and your own things. And yeah, 0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:21.200 like my memory is that you you didn't really like 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.160 the mommies that much. Like the job itself was was 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:27.319 dissatisfying creatively, but you were kind of like, eugh, I 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.680 want to be doing the real stuff. Yeah, well was 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.760 I remember the character was like kind of a deadbeat character. 0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:34.839 That was the ongoing joke is like, oh, he just 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.160 never does anything. He's always just making out with his 0:53:37.200 --> 0:53:40.520 girlfriend on the couch, you know, which was always a 0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:43.319 funny thing. So I remember she was great, but you 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.319 know she was I think she was like twenty five 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:47.760 or something, and you know, here I am like nineteen 0:53:47.840 --> 0:53:50.280 year old. She's just laying on me, and I'm like, okay, 0:53:50.400 --> 0:53:52.160 don't think too much about what's actually. 0:53:52.160 --> 0:53:56.160 Yeah, remember that you're on camera seventeen. 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:59.160 Dude, you weren't nineteen. You were only sixteen seventeen doing 0:53:59.200 --> 0:54:01.160 the Mommies. It's so hard to try and put this 0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.759 in perspective because you know, I mean, you're acting like 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:08.000 an adult at such a young age, you know. Yeah, 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.440 so I think, yeah, not having that sense of you know, 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.920 community or friendships on the set kind of right a toll. 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.680 I think, yeah, do you remember the creative team that 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:19.040 was in charge, like who was the executive producer, what 0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:22.600 the note sessions were like, or any of them? No, 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.000 I don't, you know, I don't remember anybody. I don't 0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.000 remember anybody really giving me. I just didn't have much 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.000 to do, like much of a character, you know, so 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.400 I didn't have really I think I had one episode 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:36.399 that was like actually about my character, and every other 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:37.839 one it was just sort of like one or two 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.239 lines here there, bopping in. And you know, it only 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:42.640 went for two seasons, if even that, I think, I 0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:44.600 don't even think. We got picked up halfway through the 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:45.280 second season. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:49.920 But the Mommies, now, so the Mommies, if memory serves, 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.879 they were two were they stand ups? Originally two stand 0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:56.000 up comedians that worked together. They're like a comedy team, right. 0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:57.960 Yes, And their whole bit was sort of like being 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.560 the moms and you know, mom jokes, right, you know. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.560 Then they yeah, and then they got this TV show, 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:06.080 so they you know, I don't think they were classically 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.360 trained actors, but they might have been. But no, no, 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:09.800 it was the nineties. It was the nineties. 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.040 I mean the nineties with Seinfeld and the Jeff fox 0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:13.640 Worthy Show. I mean, if you were a stand up, 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:17.200 you were you'd get a sitcom. So so that was 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:19.319 kind of yeah exactly, I said, they're handing them out 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.680 and when you when you get out of it. But yeah, 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.000 so that's I remember that because I remember you you 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.399 and I talking about it where it was like, yeah, 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:27.520 they're stand ups and they're kind of do their bit 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.480 every week, and it was like, okay. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:32.120 Well, strangely they were from Petaluma, which is right by Sebastopos, 0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:34.040 so they were from northern California, and yeah, they had 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.440 just become a phenomenon, like their stand up routine, you know, 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:39.640 and then yeah, they got these They had competing offers, 0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.720 they had offers from every network to do a sitcom, 0:55:42.200 --> 0:55:45.840 and they chose NBC and got a full first season 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:50.399 order just off of selling their show. So that's what's 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.200 so interesting is that The Mommies was a higher profile 0:55:53.239 --> 0:55:55.839 show like Boy Meets World was like what will this 0:55:55.880 --> 0:55:58.719 thing go? You know? And then The Mommies was like 0:55:58.800 --> 0:56:01.080 the more short thing, and I mean they were great. 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.239 I mean, who knows why things don't work out, you know. 0:56:03.400 --> 0:56:05.080 I mean back then it was all about the ratings 0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:07.480 and you know, like who you're up against. I mean, 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:09.640 that was always ruffle that they were trying to do. 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:11.799 You know, it's so funny because I feel like that's 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:14.360 an age that's passed now, right. I mean, it's not 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:16.920 really a conversation that people have anymore. I don't even 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:18.680 know how shows keep going. 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.960 As writer mentioned in your Downtime, then on The Mommies 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.279 you learn to juggle. There have been many times on 0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:26.920 the podcast where we have waxed poetic and praised the 0:56:27.040 --> 0:56:32.400 uniqueness of the overall just cool vibe that is Shiloh Strong. 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.640 Did you see yourself as confident then or was it 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:39.279 just that you wanted to ride around on a unicycle 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.080 and wear a top hat. 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.839 The cool and smoke a pipe pipe. 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.120 Yeah, it wasn't a top app it was a It 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:51.160 was a bowler bowler bowler, which was great. That was 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.719 like my ultimate hacky sack move because you could. 0:56:53.480 --> 0:56:58.760 Like storm, I remember that, and you could put oh buddy, 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.120 are you kidding me? 0:56:59.760 --> 0:57:01.319 Warm memory unlocked? 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:06.440 Oh my gosh, you guys hacky sacking and you resting 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:07.640 that hacky sack on the book. 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:09.480 I literal core me. 0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:14.880 Yes, I don't know, like yeah, I definitely did not 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.560 think I was cool. I don't think like cool. Was 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:20.880 not like a uh no, it was just it was, 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.600 you know, coming from northern California and none such and 0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:27.680 this kind of awkward, weird. Everybody was like encouraged to 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:32.760 be creative in themselves, you know, non judgmental or try 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:35.360 to be right, and you know, it kind of worked 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.120 on the flip side of that, as anybody who like 0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:38.680 conformed to the norm. 0:57:38.560 --> 0:57:40.560 Was you know, oh yeah, you were allowed to judge them. 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.960 Yes, of course. So I'm back. 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:48.800 I'm back here in Avon, and I went to my 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:50.800 clean out my closet. When I got here, I was 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:52.320 putting stuff in there and. 0:57:52.200 --> 0:57:53.080 Most of it's gone. 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:57.320 But there's still one stick left from the juggling things 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:57.960 that we brought to. 0:57:58.440 --> 0:58:05.560 Adam to me, Yes, oh my god, what these are 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.280 the ones, by the way, that we would do in 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:08.000 Vondel Park. 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.240 This is literally the same one that was there. So yeah, 0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:12.520 I saw that today. I was like, oh my god, 0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:13.360 the Devils sticks. 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:16.680 That's what we would just hang out in the park 0:58:16.720 --> 0:58:20.480 and Hacky Sack play with the sticks and like, oh 0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:22.200 that was so much fun. Oh it's a great trip. 0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.400 It was an absolutely great I remember the juggling thing 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.800 I had trying to remember. I had this whole theory, which 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.360 was okay, and I still believe this. There's a part 0:58:30.360 --> 0:58:33.440 of your brain that that actually connects the left and 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.840 the right hemispheres of your brain, you know how the 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:38.000 two were kind of like a logical and you know, 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.520 more creative. And so I had this idea that if 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.600 you have anything that ever crosses between those two hemispheres, 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:45.720 like if you're passing a ball back and forth or 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.760 hacky sacking, as long as you're using ambidextris right, that 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:51.720 that's going to be like strengthening that part of your 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.680 brain and causing you to feel more creative, but also 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:58.960 bringing in some of your reasoning capacities. So that was 0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:01.360 thinking of it in that way, and it was always 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.840 just a good challenge and something to do. You know, 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:07.440 while I was by myself sitting in the waiting or trailer, 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:10.440 you know, and you were always so like, I mean, 0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:14.080 you're athletic, but you were also just acrobatic because we 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:17.720 did gymnastics and you were really good at gymnastics. And and 0:59:17.440 --> 0:59:20.240 then I remember you discovered chaplain and like the whole 0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.840 idea of like physical comedy, and you decided to master 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:26.320 a lot of these like cool skills, which in retrospect 0:59:26.440 --> 0:59:29.520 is like pretty awesome for a you. Like, I'm not 0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:31.080 just going to be a kid actor. I'm also going 0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:34.480 to figure out how to do all these tricks. And yeah, 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.479 Buster was so cool. No, that's nice to hear. Thanks, guys, 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:40.840 that's cool. I mean, yeah, I love all that. I mean, 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.280 it's funny. It's transferred over now as an adult. I 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.560 mean I still juggle, like I still have my juggling balls, 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:49.520 these little pasts, because that's why I have notes to 0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:51.760 myself if I start stressing out, it's like, hey, dude, 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:55.080 just juggle. I'm like, all right, okay, you know, find 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:58.280 the ways to calm the anxiety if you start freaking out. 0:59:58.520 --> 1:00:01.640 I love those tools, those little self help tools. 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.320 Those are great. You gotta find them some way. I 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:13.640 would get so anxious trying to juggle. Damn it. I 1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.560 would love to learn how to juggle. Yeah, it's so 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:19.640 it's very therapeutic, you know. Okay, I could totally see that. 1:00:31.200 --> 1:00:33.800 Jumping ahead a bit, We haven't talked a lot about 1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:36.200 making Girl Meets World on the show, mostly because we 1:00:36.520 --> 1:00:39.000 try to keep it up beat, but I do know 1:00:39.120 --> 1:00:42.840 that a major high point for everyone on the show 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:46.680 was how much you and Writer were able to direct us. 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.640 You guys were so wonderful. It was such a major 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:53.320 high point for the entire cast. How did it feel 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.640 to not only step foot again on a show you 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.720 had both obviously been very close to for so long, 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:02.840 but to now work with like a new generation of kids, 1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:06.439 little writers and Shiloh's essentially decades later. 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:08.000 How was that? What did that feel like for you? 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:09.480 Uh? 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:12.840 Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah. Working with the kids was amazing. 1:01:13.080 --> 1:01:16.600 Like walking back on that set just felt like going 1:01:16.640 --> 1:01:19.120 back into like a time capsule, you know, like but 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.800 in the best possible way, because it was so comfortable 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.080 and familiar and being with you guys and working with 1:01:25.120 --> 1:01:29.840 you guys again in that way was so rewarding. Like, yeah, 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.880 it was. Yeah. And seeing the kids being able to 1:01:33.080 --> 1:01:35.520 I mean, they were so great and so down and 1:01:35.840 --> 1:01:40.000 you know, gosh, I just love that sitcom. You know, 1:01:40.040 --> 1:01:42.720 you get to rehearse, you get to work the jokes 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:44.600 and figure out the blocking and get you know, it's 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:48.040 just like the the whole week is just and then 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:51.000 leading up to that show, it was just so much fun. 1:01:51.120 --> 1:01:53.720 Like yeah, and we did a live studio audience on 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:58.240 Girl Meets World, which which is still very rare. So yeah, 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:00.640 I mean it's it's really rare. We were one of 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:02.560 the only people who was doing it even back then, 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:06.880 and that is that was just. 1:02:05.600 --> 1:02:06.880 It nothing like it. 1:02:06.920 --> 1:02:08.880 There's not I mean, there really is nothing, and it's 1:02:08.920 --> 1:02:12.000 it's a shame because it's dying and it is. 1:02:11.880 --> 1:02:14.400 It is you know, the full sitcom. 1:02:14.480 --> 1:02:16.640 You're rehearsing a play every week, but then you get 1:02:16.680 --> 1:02:19.040 to lead up to show night where you're actually, yeah. 1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:21.720 Then taping the thing. It is just it's it is. 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:24.360 It's so unique in our industry and it's a shame 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:27.200 that it's going away because it is a wonderful experience. 1:02:27.360 --> 1:02:31.880 Yeah, that's just gone now. Yeah, I remember, I mean 1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:35.840 as directors for Shilah and I like the week. You know, 1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:38.280 during the week, you're just rehearsing without really you know, 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.480 you have some props and but there's no cameras, there's 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:43.240 no audio equipment, and for us, it was just kind 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.080 of like our domain, you know, Like and I remember 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:49.000 we had a lot of conscious like conversations about like, 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:53.400 let's make sure that these kids are not only hitting 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:55.960 their beats and saying our lives, but like learning how 1:02:55.960 --> 1:02:58.560 to act or like understanding what acting is, you know, 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:01.720 because kid actors come in with all their own ideas 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:03.400 and they're you know, and they're always being told what 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:05.600 to do or what the end results should be. And 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:08.800 we knew from having been in those shoes, like how 1:03:09.080 --> 1:03:11.480 crazy that can be and how intimidating that can be. 1:03:11.560 --> 1:03:14.080 And we were like, let's make this just the coolest, 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:17.120 safest space ever. And I feel like we just always 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:19.080 had fun, you know. I just remember having so much 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:22.000 fun with the kids and they were so Yeah. Well 1:03:22.000 --> 1:03:22.919 it wasn't just the kids. 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:25.640 I mean, Danielle, you weren't directing yet at the time 1:03:25.800 --> 1:03:27.520 that I had gone on Girl Mets World. So I 1:03:27.560 --> 1:03:29.439 remember because again I would have loved to have worked 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.160 with you, but that was part of the deal of 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:34.320 me coming back, because I, you know, was dealing with anxiety. 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.040 I hadn't been on camera in years and years and years, 1:03:36.080 --> 1:03:39.120 and part of the quote unquote contractor for me coming 1:03:39.160 --> 1:03:41.560 back was that you guys directed me. It was like 1:03:41.600 --> 1:03:44.440 I knew that, you know again with someday I'm going 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:46.560 to work with Danielle as a director. But at the 1:03:46.640 --> 1:03:49.000 time you guys were there and I knew it was 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:50.840 just like, Okay, at least they'll know I'll be it'll 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:54.280 be safe, it'll be calm, it'll be comfortable. So that 1:03:54.400 --> 1:03:56.080 was like part of the deal was Okay, I'll come 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:58.880 back and do these episodes if writer and Shilock can direct. 1:03:58.640 --> 1:03:59.600 It, and they're like, oha, fine. 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:03.120 I was obviously very close to all of those kids, 1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:06.080 and every time we would see your names on a script, 1:04:06.360 --> 1:04:09.080 there was just a sense of like relief. There was 1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:12.400 really a sense of oh good, We're going to have 1:04:12.480 --> 1:04:14.440 a good week. We're going to be in safe hands. 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:16.600 We're going to be in hands that are gonna encourage 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:19.280 us and guide us and make it fun. You know, 1:04:19.320 --> 1:04:23.280 you guys played running charades. You made sure that you 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:28.200 built time into because as fun as the Boy Meets 1:04:28.200 --> 1:04:31.360 World set was, Girl Meets World did have a different energy. 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:35.240 It was not the same and it didn't need to 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.400 be different. It could have been the same, but it 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:41.440 wasn't for whatever reasons, and you guys tried to infuse 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:44.720 it with fun wherever you could, and so that it 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:47.040 was such a It was just such a joy to 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:49.120 work with you both, and so thank you. 1:04:49.560 --> 1:04:52.600 Oh yeah, thank you. Looking back, I mean, especially working 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:55.400 with you in particular, was anytime we had a scene together, 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:57.680 I was just always like, oh, I just know this 1:04:57.760 --> 1:05:01.240 is going to work. Great. That's what started directing too, right, 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.160 wasn't that during that period? 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:06.280 Yeah, second season I got to do one and then 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:08.680 in season three I got to do three more, so 1:05:08.800 --> 1:05:10.280 I I yeah, but it was. 1:05:10.280 --> 1:05:12.400 Amazing to see even in the first season. I remember 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:15.120 when whenever we first started working together, I remember you 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:18.240 were already able to see how the whole scene would work, 1:05:18.400 --> 1:05:22.360 and having your relationship with the kids independently was so 1:05:22.440 --> 1:05:25.600 helpful to be able to talk to you and recognize, 1:05:25.640 --> 1:05:28.360 oh the dynamics here. I think it was just Yes, 1:05:28.680 --> 1:05:32.960 you were like a rock of support. Yeah, totally. 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:35.840 Yeah, it was the number one thing I was most 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:38.760 excited about when we came onto Girl Meets World. Was like, 1:05:39.280 --> 1:05:44.000 I can't believe I'm going to get to be the adult, 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:49.640 the responsible adult who looking back, I didn't even realize 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:51.919 until we started this podcast how much I had taken 1:05:51.960 --> 1:05:54.600 Betsy and Rusty and Bill Daniels for granted. But I 1:05:54.720 --> 1:05:57.360 even then, even when we started Girl Meets World, was 1:05:57.400 --> 1:06:01.560 aware enough that they were such like good examples of 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:03.240 professionalism that I was like. 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:06.120 I can't believe I get to be a I get 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:08.120 to be one of those, right exactly. 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:11.400 And because I'm the mom to the mom on the 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:14.600 show to these kids, I'm going to have developed strong 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:17.160 relationships with them, and we'll be able to work with 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:19.840 the directors as just an actor, but. 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:21.600 To help bring all of this to life. 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:23.560 It was like literally the number one thing I was 1:06:23.600 --> 1:06:27.960 most excited about. And some directors, of course, are more 1:06:28.080 --> 1:06:32.280 receptive to that feeling. And it's usually the actor directors 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:36.240 who are who know very well that actors have a 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:38.720 lot to contribute to making a show come to life 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:41.320 if you're willing to allow them as collaborators instead of 1:06:41.360 --> 1:06:41.920 a Stuppens. 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:43.600 Oh yeah, well, that's the thing. When we came in, 1:06:43.720 --> 1:06:46.720 I remember watching because we started shadowing the directors that 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.360 were already working, and they would just be stand over here, 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:51.240 walk over here, do this, you know. 1:06:51.200 --> 1:06:53.560 Helping them by the elbow, literally pulling up by the 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:54.600 elbow a couple of inches. 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:57.600 And I remember shallow and I being like, okay, day 1:06:57.680 --> 1:06:59.680 one question number one to the kids is what do 1:06:59.760 --> 1:07:01.960 you want to do? What do you think? How do 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:05.080 you know? And and I remember like the biggest accomplishment 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.640 for child and I was like, there was one there 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:11.960 was one episode where we realized that Rowan was doing 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:15.360 it different every take and we're like, she feels confident, 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:20.280 He's she's free. She's like she had somehow like every 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:22.240 lie every time she did it, she was like I 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:24.200 just out of her head and like in the moment 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:27.320 and we were like, oh, she's good, it's happening, And 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:29.840 it was like that's what that's what we miss, you know, 1:07:29.960 --> 1:07:33.360 like that's the best feeling. Yeah. I remember one another 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:37.520 girl be Well moment. I remember Will. It was seeing 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:38.720 you and I don't know if it was the first 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:41.360 time you came back, but when you did the mister 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:45.840 Squirrels bit with you and watching you like work that 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:50.720 through and finding the beats, it was it was just magical. Man. 1:07:50.880 --> 1:07:52.920 I mean, I just think you are hands down one 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:56.680 of the best comedic actors, I've ever seen you in 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.480 that in that moment and finding it and feeling the 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:02.600 audience reaction when the door opened, like it's just burned 1:08:02.600 --> 1:08:05.560 in my memory. Oh well, it was nuts. Do you 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:11.200 remember they had they gave Will like seventeen beats, yes, comedy, 1:08:11.280 --> 1:08:13.200 and he had to like show up in the costume, 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:15.440 the costume if play a trumpet. At one point, I 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:17.519 feel like it was like all this stuff that they 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:19.920 were just loading on you, And I remember getting in 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:22.280 the rehearsal and being like, oh my god, like looking 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:23.519 at the script and be like, how are we going 1:08:23.600 --> 1:08:25.840 to get this? And then we'll just it. Well, do 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:26.800 you remember. 1:08:26.560 --> 1:08:27.360 Two that week? 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:29.720 That was one of the examples of Michael who has 1:08:29.760 --> 1:08:33.000 an almost cartoon like image in his mind and he 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:35.080 just is telling you, well, you need to figure out 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:36.960 how to bring this to life. And the whole bit 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:41.520 with that was he wanted in one move the entire costume, 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:44.519 including the beard and the hair and all of the 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:47.679 clothes in one move, like, let's say, from the beard. 1:08:48.040 --> 1:08:50.360 He wanted him to pull the beard and have all 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:52.839 of it disappear so that he was only wearing boxers 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:53.519 and we were like. 1:08:56.520 --> 1:09:01.479 The realm of reality. How do you say? And I 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:02.960 don't care, I don't know. Whatever you need to do. 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:05.080 Talk to wardrobe, talk to and he just expected you, 1:09:05.080 --> 1:09:07.720 guys and will to bring it to life. And that 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:10.479 was definitely a moment where I just tiptoed my way back, 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:11.360 like you know. 1:09:11.360 --> 1:09:14.320 Homer Simpson into a bush. I'm just gonna knock out 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:14.519 of this. 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:17.479 If it was anybody else, Shallow and I would have 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:19.680 been like, absolutely impossible. But we were like, I think 1:09:19.760 --> 1:09:22.559 we'll do it, and. 1:09:22.640 --> 1:09:24.440 Just what he figured out a way. 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:26.040 It was fun. I just remember working with the kids. 1:09:26.120 --> 1:09:27.200 Working with the kids was amazing. 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:27.680 It really was. 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:32.320 Totally well, Shiloh, Now you have shifted your focus to photography, 1:09:32.560 --> 1:09:35.120 and I know a quick look at your Instagram shows 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:38.880 new profile pictures of Seth Rogen and Kristin Davis, as 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:41.920 well as an interest in men's dating profile pics. 1:09:43.160 --> 1:09:43.960 I love it. 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:47.080 Well, yeah, that's a's a that's a pretty fun story. 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:50.120 I randomly, when I was living up in Northern California, 1:09:50.120 --> 1:09:52.240 I was looking for a job and I found this 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:55.000 listing for a company that was looking for like a 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:59.799 said male dating profile photography, and I was like, okay, 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:04.960 that that's fascinating, and so I applied and I'm like this, Yeah, 1:10:04.960 --> 1:10:06.439 this sounds like it'd be kind of fun to do. 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:09.479 And then it's this company. They're called the Match Artist, 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:13.040 and they basically are a nationwide but it's they cater 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:15.000 mostly to men, but women do it. 1:10:14.960 --> 1:10:16.839 Too, but right, it's a matchmaking service. 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:18.920 It's not even that, it's just the photography. 1:10:19.040 --> 1:10:19.240 Right. 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:22.360 Then I went to school for photography, Like photography has 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:25.320 always been my thing that I love. Like that's when 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:28.000 I went to college. I was like it was kind 1:10:28.000 --> 1:10:30.479 of my backup plan for everything else because I was, 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:32.960 you know, you know, get a real job, like a photographer, 1:10:33.000 --> 1:10:35.479 Like only an actor can think that. That's like a 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:40.120 steady gig. Right, I'll get a real job. I'll play 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:45.400 drums in a band. But it's been great. I mean 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:49.400 I really I've always loved photography and visual storytelling, you know, 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:52.559 so that kind of and in these situations, you know, 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:56.519 I go and I meet somebody who needs looking for love, 1:10:56.600 --> 1:11:00.240 which is always a noble west and kind of to 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:02.720 know them and then you craft a story about who 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:05.320 they are and photograph them in the best possible light. 1:11:05.560 --> 1:11:08.759 And it's been amazing, Like I've met so many really 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:12.599 interesting men, all different ages from like twenty five to 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:17.240 fifty five and photographing their profile pictures to help them 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:18.200 go out there and do it. 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:22.519 I love this so much because every dude I know. 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.120 Has pictures, like if you were to if they were 1:11:26.160 --> 1:11:29.960 going to go and put together a dating profile, they 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:34.719 have pictures of themselves, but they've never taken consideration for 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.479 the lighting where they took a photo, who else is 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:39.800 in that photo, what the positioning of their body was, 1:11:39.840 --> 1:11:41.760 Like you're just not thinking about that. So then you 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:44.080 go to create a profile and you want to put 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:46.479 your best foot forward because somebody has to make a 1:11:46.640 --> 1:11:49.800 quick judgment about whether or not they're interested in dating you, 1:11:50.320 --> 1:11:52.840 and you're looking through probably a bunch of photos that 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:56.000 are either too old do not represent you in a 1:11:56.040 --> 1:11:58.280 way that is putting your best foot forward. 1:11:58.320 --> 1:11:59.960 This is so, this is so smart. 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:04.000 Oh, it's totally it's yea, every no, it's it's true. 1:12:04.000 --> 1:12:08.760 It's been an amazing experience, and yeah, and recognizing how 1:12:08.840 --> 1:12:12.280 much that has changed in the culture now this is 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:16.439 how people meet online, especially the younger generation. So like, yeah, yeah, 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:19.400 so I'm exploring them, working on a documentary trying to 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.920 explore this kind of world because it's just fascinating to 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:26.160 me of like these you know, men looking for love 1:12:26.200 --> 1:12:29.200 and following them, but then also trying to understand the 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:33.040 changing dynamics of masculinity and how we present ourselves and 1:12:33.040 --> 1:12:36.000 what that means in today's society. So it's a work 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:38.640 in progress. But yeah, so yes, thank you for But 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:41.400 the photography has always been a part of my life 1:12:41.439 --> 1:12:43.799 and that's kind of the next Yeah, it would. 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:45.960 Be your dream subject for a portrait. 1:12:46.360 --> 1:12:50.120 Oh gosh, you know, I I just love people. I 1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:52.960 mean that's what I've realized. Like who's oh Will, Yeah, 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:54.400 let's do a photo Shore Will if you want to. 1:12:54.439 --> 1:12:57.280 I mean, honestly, this is what I've realized. No, no, no, stop, 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:04.920 can do this. I realized I love photographing creative people, 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.479 you know, like portraits, and if there's some way that 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:11.640 I can give a little bit of like a collaborative collaboration, 1:13:11.800 --> 1:13:13.559 I mean that's the thing. We've all worked in this 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:16.320 same industry where you know, collaboration is key, and so 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:20.080 finding some way that somebody wants to present themselves either. 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:22.320 You know, I remember shooting a guy years ago who 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:24.200 was a magician, and this is when I had a 1:13:24.240 --> 1:13:26.840 studio downtown and he came in with like all of 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:29.479 his props and his stuff, And it's just so fun 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:32.120 to work through somebody to figure out how they want 1:13:32.160 --> 1:13:34.840 to present themselves and how I can kind of help 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:38.080 tell their story. I guess in a way that I 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:41.080 am feeling like I'm contributing some aspect to that in 1:13:41.360 --> 1:13:43.760 the storytelling. And I you know, for me, I like 1:13:43.840 --> 1:13:46.720 photos that kind of make people question, like, oh, what's 1:13:46.840 --> 1:13:49.000 kind of going on here? Are something funny or quirky 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:53.600 or interesting? Yeah, but like I don't really have like 1:13:53.640 --> 1:13:57.439 an ideal subject, I mean, honestly, I just yeah, any 1:13:57.479 --> 1:14:00.640 creative endeavor person honestly would be a good one, right, 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:03.559 But you definitely like people with personality or their own 1:14:03.960 --> 1:14:06.519 their own Yeah, like the worst would be I mean 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:09.719 because you actually have done quite a bit of fashion 1:14:09.760 --> 1:14:14.280 photography too, which is cool, but you always veer towards 1:14:14.280 --> 1:14:16.920 a storytelling. So even your fashion photography, you would find 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:20.880 ways to like, oh, the story of this photo shoot is, 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:24.320 and you would come up with this insanely complicated narrative 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:27.519 just we're basically selling close, I know, And that was 1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:29.360 I kind of got when I was in school. I 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:34.879 had this amazing instructor, Nino, who was a fashion teacher, 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:37.240 and you know, it was And that's what I loved 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:39.800 about is because I would create these photo shoots and 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.160 do a whole thing. And I realized, I'm like, I 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:44.680 don't care about the clothes. I'm like, that's not a 1:14:44.680 --> 1:14:48.200 good thing. That's not good. This shouldn't be. But I 1:14:48.200 --> 1:14:50.240 mean that's why. You know, when you do a fashion shoot, 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:52.439 you've got a stylist. You know, it's a full production 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:54.439 if you have the money. It just costs a lot 1:14:54.479 --> 1:14:57.160 to do it right. And also, you know, majority of 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.080 fashion photography is up against a white wall photography and 1:15:00.120 --> 1:15:01.880 put it on the internet. You know. I got like 1:15:01.920 --> 1:15:05.800 the editorial fashion photos, and that's a really tough world 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:08.680 to break into, especially in Los Angeles, Like it's more 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:12.000 of a New York, you know, which I'd considered going 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.400 to New York. But yeah, then like house burned out 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:16.519 in Santa Barbara, and then. 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:19.519 I moved back to Oh my gosh. 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:21.760 You with me, and then you came and lived with 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:24.360 me after I was like, well, I have nowhere to go. 1:15:24.439 --> 1:15:27.160 I was like, come live with me. That was awful. 1:15:27.840 --> 1:15:30.280 I remember I had to give you a belt, like 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.840 you literally had nothing nothing. 1:15:32.640 --> 1:15:35.400 No, literally everything fit in my car. I actually went 1:15:35.439 --> 1:15:38.200 to Goodwill and got rid of everything that I that 1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:41.080 wouldn't fit in my car because I was like, you know, 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:42.400 but I mean, I you know, luckily I had a 1:15:42.439 --> 1:15:45.679 change of clothes and a surfboard and writer was right 1:15:45.760 --> 1:15:47.640 down in the World Canyon and you were there at 1:15:47.640 --> 1:15:50.680 the time. So yeah, it was two and seven right. 1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:53.000 Burned down. 1:15:53.600 --> 1:15:55.400 So it was in Santa Barbara and there was just 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:58.000 a wildfire that came through and I was down in 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.759 La Rider and I were down in and I remember 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:03.600 I got the call from the people who lived in 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:05.400 the front house and they were like, hey, there's a 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:07.280 fire here, you better get back up. And I jumped 1:16:07.280 --> 1:16:09.280 in the car and I couldn't get back up and 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:12.200 just sat in Santa Barbara was able to stay with 1:16:12.240 --> 1:16:13.880 a friend of mine at the time, and just watched 1:16:13.920 --> 1:16:15.120 the hillside explode. 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:18.360 Oh my gosh, yeah didn't you didn't you have a 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:20.200 motorcycle at the time, so I remember there wasn't there 1:16:20.240 --> 1:16:23.599 a photograph. The only thing left was like a melted engine. 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:24.960 That was all you could make out. 1:16:25.280 --> 1:16:27.840 Yeah, it was like the chrome on the wheels of 1:16:27.880 --> 1:16:31.599 the tire had melted and created like river of chrome. 1:16:31.800 --> 1:16:33.840 I mean it was so it must have been so hot. 1:16:33.920 --> 1:16:36.639 I mean every glass thing I had in the house 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:40.040 was like just turned into like marbles basically. I mean, 1:16:40.080 --> 1:16:43.559 it's the most surreal experience anybody Like it was the 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:45.519 most surreal experience I'd had up to that point in 1:16:45.560 --> 1:16:48.840 my life. Like still to this day, if I smell fire, 1:16:49.000 --> 1:16:51.320 I get I can feel myself getting like, you know, 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:54.840 crazy about it. I was awful, man. Yeah, you lost 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:57.280 all your photo negatives because you had you you have 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:00.400 been shooting on film a lot. Yeah, that went all 1:17:00.400 --> 1:17:00.880 the way through. 1:17:01.280 --> 1:17:03.200 Yeah, you lost all your magic cards. I remember, you 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:05.960 lost all your magics, like you lost everything. Yeah, you know, 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:09.639 he had a whole complete Legends collection, which I. 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:11.960 Remember, I won't look up to see how much that's worth. 1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:17.360 But I would never I would never sell that. But still, yeah, yeah, 1:17:17.560 --> 1:17:19.919 I mean it taught me a lot of lessons about uh, 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:22.400 you know stuff. We have so much stuff in our lives, 1:17:22.439 --> 1:17:24.120 you know, And it made me try and be as 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:27.400 conscious as possible moving forward, because not many people get 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:30.040 an opportunity like that to kind of get a clean slate. 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:32.760 You know, I mean, how old was I thirty one? 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:33.880 I think or something and was. 1:17:34.080 --> 1:17:37.720 I mean, it's really a way to reframe it. That 1:17:38.080 --> 1:17:40.760 what an opportunity to start with a clean slate. I mean, 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:44.200 you know, that's a healthy perspective instead of you know 1:17:44.280 --> 1:17:46.639 what most of us would probably think, which is why 1:17:46.680 --> 1:17:49.160 did my life get ruined at thirty one? 1:17:49.960 --> 1:17:51.960 Right? Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, yeah, 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:55.519 luckily I had an amazing support system some of the 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:58.719 people right here, you know, so I can imagine not 1:17:58.720 --> 1:18:01.479 not having that. But I remember at the time too, 1:18:01.600 --> 1:18:06.080 like actually Shiloh's reaction was was too good in the 1:18:06.160 --> 1:18:08.600 sense that he he was like, I shouldn't care about this, 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:11.360 I shouldn't be emotionally affected because it's just stuff. It's 1:18:11.400 --> 1:18:13.160 just stuff, and it doesn't matter, and I don't care 1:18:13.200 --> 1:18:14.960 about things. And I was like, yeah, you don't care 1:18:14.960 --> 1:18:19.080 about things, but allow this to be a sad tragedy. 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:21.800 And like I remember just crying with him and like 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:24.200 having to be like, it's okay to feel bad about 1:18:24.280 --> 1:18:28.240 losing your stuff. It is just stuff, but it's still 1:18:28.320 --> 1:18:31.639 an emotion. It's still awful, still a loss, yeah, still loss, 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:34.960 Like you where you're at now? Sounds you're absolutely right, 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:36.560 But you were already there right away. You're like, I 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:38.280 shouldn't be upset about this. I was like, it's okay 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:40.479 to be upset. Yeah, I remember we had the time. 1:18:40.600 --> 1:18:42.600 I mean I remember coming back that night and we 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:44.280 went to Cat in the Fiddle and if you remember 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:46.360 that ryder but sitting there and I just remember being 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:48.600 I was so wrecked, you know, but I was just 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:50.559 in shock. You know. It's not every day you walk 1:18:50.640 --> 1:18:52.360 up to your house and it's just literally, you know, 1:18:52.640 --> 1:18:56.400 six inches of ash and you're just like, Okay, what what's. 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:57.040 The meaning of this? 1:18:57.560 --> 1:18:59.160 Yeah, I mean I never really get into that. 1:19:00.040 --> 1:19:02.920 But it's also unless you've seen a California wildfire, any 1:19:02.960 --> 1:19:05.240 kind of wildfire, what they can do. People can kind 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.280 of they think of like a burnt out house or 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:09.160 there was a fire in a kitchen something like that. 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:14.240 Every single thing was gone. There weren't pillars in the house. 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:17.519 I mean, it was gone. So you left a house 1:19:17.560 --> 1:19:21.120 and you came back to an ash covered field. I mean, 1:19:21.160 --> 1:19:23.960 it's really amazing to because you hear, oh, there was 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.400 a fire in the house, and sometimes you don't get 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:30.599 the visual of like nothing level right, right, Yeah, yeah, 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:32.519 crazy crazy Yeah. 1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:36.800 Yeah, well, Shiloh, we have so enjoyed having you here 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:39.519 with us today. Your name has come up obviously, of course, 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:43.600 so often since we've been doing the podcast. We appreciate 1:19:43.640 --> 1:19:45.960 you allowing us to talk about your life and share 1:19:46.000 --> 1:19:49.360 your stories, you know, through all of our experiences, but 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:52.160 especially through writers. You're obviously such an important part of 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:56.240 Writer's life and childhood, so he wouldn't be who he 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:59.519 is without you as well, and vice versa. So thank 1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:02.120 you for sharing your time with us, and we'd love 1:20:02.160 --> 1:20:04.320 to have you back anytime. But we're so appreciative you 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:05.120 came here with us today. 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:07.439 Oh, thank you guys. This has been so great. I 1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.639 love seeing you guys, so yeah, and I love what 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.280 you guys are doing. So I got to catch up 1:20:11.280 --> 1:20:11.800 on some more. 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:15.720 Yeah you've got like maybe one hundred episodes or so. 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:19.800 No, thank you guys so much. This is this has 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:20.280 been great. 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:20.960 Yeah. 1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:22.800 Also, maybe you can come back and let us know 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:24.400 how your dinner with Hillary goes. 1:20:24.439 --> 1:20:25.240 Whenever you've seen her. 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:27.600 Maybe you guys could come back and just you know, 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:28.880 let us know how that goes. 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:32.800 Great to see you, Shiloh, you. 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:35.400 Too, Okay, bye, dude, I of you two of you. 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:50.960 Oh man, jeez, how was that? Writer great? 1:20:51.600 --> 1:20:53.400 I mean, yeah, it's so funny because I feel like 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.760 we didn't even cover like our twenties. You know, we 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:58.439 only come out of adolescence. It's like so much more. 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:00.519 But yeah, I mean, he's my brother. I love him. 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:03.720 It's so great to talk to him. But it's it 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:07.600 is funny because, like he we don't actually talk about 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:10.360 this period of our life that much like our adolescence. 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:12.120 You know, it's like it's sort of just understood. So 1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:13.560 it's cool to hear his perspective. 1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:17.000 Yeah, I know, you know, you talk about the twenties 1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:19.280 and stuff. It's like, of course we're you know, so 1:21:19.360 --> 1:21:21.799 much of our show is talking about our teen years 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:25.200 and all that time we spent together. Yeah, I mean, 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:28.639 it's it is. I've never I mean I think about 1:21:28.640 --> 1:21:30.200 it every now and then when I think about things. 1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:33.240 Writer and I both tend to be very open book 1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:37.040 like anything. We're just ready to talk about whatever it 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:40.479 is that has gone on in our lives. I never 1:21:40.520 --> 1:21:44.360 really think about how so much of sharing your childhood 1:21:44.439 --> 1:21:49.160 is also sharing childhows and so have you. 1:21:49.040 --> 1:21:51.560 Guys talked about that at all since we've started the podcast. 1:21:53.160 --> 1:21:56.559 Yeah, I mean yeah, Like he's listened to some episodes 1:21:56.600 --> 1:21:59.400 and and brought them up, and we've had like some 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:03.320 good and really intense conversations actually like good ones, you know. 1:22:03.439 --> 1:22:06.280 But like reflecting on I think, like what we talked 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:08.600 a little bit about here, reflecting on our parents' experience 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.920 has just been mind blowing because I don't think I 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:16.120 had really done that until right around this, doing this podcast, 1:22:16.160 --> 1:22:20.080 and like thinking about my poor mom driving around with 1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:22.400 the Thomas Gootide and like how many times you'd get lost, 1:22:22.439 --> 1:22:24.320 how many times you'd be late for auditions? How many 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:26.920 you know, and and it's like, oh my god, yeah, 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:28.880 that must have been so much work because not only 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:31.160 were you doing it for one kid, you were doing 1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:34.320 it for two, and we were both so committed and 1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:37.439 into it, and she supported they both my both my 1:22:37.439 --> 1:22:40.200 parents supported both of us, and like, it's just a 1:22:40.760 --> 1:22:44.559 it's such a it's so impressive to me, you know, 1:22:44.640 --> 1:22:47.640 and the fact that you know, we survived and and 1:22:47.760 --> 1:22:50.600 enjoyed it and have positive memories about it is pretty remarkable. 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:53.080 Well, it also just shows you how self centered everybody 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:56.320 is when they're children, because but it mirrors what we're 1:22:56.320 --> 1:22:58.519 watching on the show where we all of us took 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.559 us the Betsy even Bill for granted, and we're like, 1:23:01.560 --> 1:23:02.479 we talk about that every week. 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:03.880 Man, we took them for granted. And then there's times 1:23:03.920 --> 1:23:05.639 we're at dinner where we're like, we really took our 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:07.600 parents and everything they were going through for you know, 1:23:08.000 --> 1:23:10.320 it's that same thing where it's just your kid, your 1:23:10.320 --> 1:23:12.320 life is all about you and you're the center of 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:14.719 your world, which is exactly what Boy Meets World is about. 1:23:15.280 --> 1:23:17.840 And then and even as adults now you're looking back 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.280 and just going, wow, we took all this for granted, 1:23:20.320 --> 1:23:22.759 and the adults for granted, and our parents for granted. 1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:25.040 And yeah, it's just that's one of the things. 1:23:25.040 --> 1:23:26.200 Not to bring it back to the show, but I 1:23:26.240 --> 1:23:28.719 think one of the things that makes our show last 1:23:28.800 --> 1:23:32.320 as long as it has is it is a completely 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:34.880 different show when you're watching it as an adult, right, 1:23:35.200 --> 1:23:35.920 So you know what's. 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:40.160 Funny about I was thinking about how because Danielle uh At, 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:43.360 when whenever we do interviews, her last question tends to 1:23:43.400 --> 1:23:46.120 be if you could go back and tell young you're 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:50.160 so and what the number one answer is, just enjoy it, 1:23:50.280 --> 1:23:53.240 Just have fun. It's not look around with the parents 1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:56.760 and be more responsible. No, it's like, actually, like you 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.360 just got to be a kid, you know, even if 1:23:59.360 --> 1:24:03.160 you are perfessional, working child actor or whatever, it is 1:24:03.200 --> 1:24:05.360 more the most important thing is to just be sure 1:24:05.360 --> 1:24:07.479 that you're aware of how fun it is and like 1:24:07.520 --> 1:24:08.840 how lucky you are. You know. 1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:12.400 Well, they say youth is wasted on the young, and 1:24:12.439 --> 1:24:13.880 it's the part of that is true. 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:16.960 So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.200 this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:21.639 us on Instagram pod Meets World Show. 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