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Speaker 2: Yeah, in Redwood chair. Yeah, that was the most that

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Speaker 1: No, they're back.

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Speaker 2: Oh even better, Okay, let.

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Speaker 1: Us people breaking their backs around you. Yeah, it's a thing.

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Speaker 1: It's an adventure. Yeah. So we had so we where

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Speaker 1: for Sergio. I don't know. We just knew him as

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Speaker 1: He he was actually, you know, in retrospect, probably the

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Speaker 1: We would go over there with our parents as kids

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Speaker 2: So what time was this, Like how old were you

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Speaker 1: So we started camping out in our meadow at the

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Speaker 4: So the rope swing is no way. I'm confused. You

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Speaker 1: That was so much fun. And yeah, I remember when

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Speaker 4: I didn't. I was the guy who was not jumping

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, mutual killing myself, but I'd like to do

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to hurt myself like jumping off a

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Speaker 4: By the way, have you, either of you been on

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Speaker 3: Yeah? They make me a little dizzy.

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Speaker 1: It's a little that's a real thing. Yeah, real thing.

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, swings are so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. You guys had much more adventurous childhoods than I did.

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Speaker 2: I liked to go to the mall.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you had your mall.

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Speaker 2: That was just you know, that was that was my childhood.

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Speaker 2: didn't remember that the ropes swing. It snapped in half.

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Speaker 3: Did they sue you? Yeah, oh wow, they really wait

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Speaker 3: Ropes wing and like buy ropes wing.

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Speaker 4: That is the difference when you grow up with your

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Speaker 4: parents as lawyers. We had a trampoline that no one

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Speaker 4: was allowed to go on unless they signed a waiver.

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Speaker 4: Right seriously, I had a waiver to go on.

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Speaker 1: We would have had waivers right like yeah you have

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Speaker 2: But yeah, welcome to Podmeets World.

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Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm rather or strong, I'm wil Ferdell. Guys,

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Speaker 1: what the kids want to jump? Again and again and again.

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Speaker 3: Well, now that Will doesn't have COVID. He wants to jump.

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 4: I want to jump without that sneeze that wouldn't go everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Six months later, the tour is back.

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Speaker 2: We have re scheduled Durham, North Carolina. We will be

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Speaker 2: inside you on June nineteenth. Atlanta we will be there

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Speaker 2: on June twentieth, and New Orleans we will see you

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Speaker 2: on the twenty first.

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Speaker 1: Are we going to be there by ourselves in Durham?

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Speaker 1: We absolutely are not.

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Speaker 2: We have the one and only Lee No Tis mingus

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Speaker 2: hold the plane for Minus himself is going to be

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Speaker 2: this week's guest. He wrote, a unicycle, he juggled, He

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Speaker 3: He went down a fiberglass slide naked. Listen.

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Speaker 2: know that I am talking about Rider's brother, actor, director,

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Speaker 3: He was raised in the woods as a knife carrying hooligan.

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Speaker 2: He traveled to Hollywood alongside my co host here to

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Speaker 2: But today we are here to talk about life at

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: A man whose ears must have been ringing twice a

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Speaker 1: and she would respond, she would answer and then after

440
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,679
Speaker 1: she died, he kept doing it for years every time

441
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,640
Speaker 1: he would step on for Susie. He loved her.

442
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, would her ghost respond just you know.

443
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: Just terrified with that. Oh, that's a great scary story,

444
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,320
Speaker 1: just to say that, that's a good title for a

445
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 1: short story there. No, I remember we, like the parents

446
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 1: always brought her out when we'd have like kid get togethers,

447
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: you know, like there's already us having pony rides at

448
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 1: redwood Shire and it was like all the kids would

449
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: come over for a birthday party and they'd get put

450
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: on the back of the pony and then walked around

451
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: and you know it was Yeah, it was great. But yeah,

452
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: I remember feeding her a lot. That was always a chore.

453
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: That was the choice growing up. It was like opening

454
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: the gate feeding Susie. And we'd get a dollar a

455
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: week I think if we didn't. Yeah, big big bucks.

456
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 1: First job, only real job I've ever had. Yeah. Nice? Nice?

457
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 1: Did she break your foot child? No? I mean it

458
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: felt like it like it's just it was just so

459
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: intense and then she just you know, and I've heard

460
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: they do that, like they know when they're doing that.

461
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 1: Somebody told me that a little later. La was like

462
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Susy didn't like she was. She got

463
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: a little she got a little dramatic when she got older.

464
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: I remember she would like pretend to like fall down

465
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: if we put even a kid on her back. She

466
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: would be like, buckle, Okay, we're not going to ride

467
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 1: Susie anymore.

468
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: Well, we have talked a lot about the house you

469
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: were raised in, built by hand by your parents, and

470
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 2: how it really does seem like the antithesis of the

471
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: Hollywood scene. And we know how you guys would travel,

472
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, to and from for auditions. What other memories

473
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: do you have about your time at redwood Shire before

474
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: you officially made the transition down to La.

475
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: Before we made it down to La Gosh, I'm trying

476
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: to think. I mean, I have vague memories of the

477
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: house kind of you know, being built, you know, because

478
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 1: I was only like one year old. I think there

479
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: and then like the pool was always the most amazing

480
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 1: thing to have. So I remember just splashing in that

481
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: pool when we were kids endlessly or running around and

482
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: like Rder and I would take our hot wheels what

483
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: they called hot wheels, so they were the little yeah,

484
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 1: we wheeler, little guy and we would go around and

485
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: around this pool, which it's just so funny because looking

486
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: back on it, you know, nowadays you have to build

487
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: like gates and fences and fool covers, and it's like

488
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: you watch these videos and it's like, I swear our

489
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: parents were trying to kill us. I'm just like, like everything,

490
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, there's like construction equipment and trees falling and

491
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: kids running next to pools. And we always watched the

492
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: videos and I'm like, I'm like nervous for these kids,

493
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that's us. So I know we

494
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: make it. I know we make it to Okay. It's

495
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: still terrifying, but I think it just, you know, it's

496
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: kind of changed the way we all, you know, have

497
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: let kids do crazy. But yeah, but I mean I

498
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: think it was just the freedom. And I remember like

499
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: the idea of the forest being because we were back

500
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: next to like, you know, probably about twenty plus acres

501
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: I would say, rider like behind us. That was pretty

502
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: much it still is just open forest. So like we

503
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: grew up, I mean, I remember thinking that that went

504
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: on forever and it was this crazy fantasy, dark, scary place,

505
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, but we always and I still have dreams

506
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: about that I don't know. I think we've talked about

507
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: this all the time. Still it's something ingrained of this

508
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: idea of there's something in the forest out there. But

509
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: you know, I always felt so safe because my father

510
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: was always there and mom and so it was you know.

511
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: But and then yeah, we always watched this movie, The

512
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: Wilderness Family. I don't know if you've heard about this.

513
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: It's a series of films. They're incredibly bad. They're they're

514
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: so bad that they're amazing. But like, I like Writer

515
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 1: and I definitely related to that. When't you say writer,

516
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: that was like, oh story, it was like it was

517
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: like a movie. It's it's this horrible movie. I made

518
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: Indy watch it like a couple of months ago. It

519
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: really couldn't get through it. Oh so you can see

520
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 1: the boom mic dropping in. Like it was family, a

521
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: series of family films, and it was like an independent

522
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: family film that some like I think like Christian Company

523
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: had made or whatever, and it was actually kind of

524
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: a hit at the time. But they it was about

525
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: a family movie. I think, to Alaska and they they

526
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: in La from La they like lead the big city

527
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: and they go to this and then it's just them

528
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: dealing with the wilderness and all these animal encounters, and

529
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: we like watch these movies all the time and totally

530
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: absorbed it as sort of like a legend of our own.

531
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: Family, like so like that's us, Yes, that's us.

532
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: And we related so much and and yeah, like when

533
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: I rediscovered these movies and like I remember when I

534
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: was like in college, I think I was like, Sheela,

535
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: do you remember the and we got a hold of

536
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: one and we watched it. We were like this explained

537
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: so much, like this is this is why we still

538
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: have bear dreams, even though there aren't really bears up

539
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: in northern callifornia're like where we were, Yeah there have

540
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: been some, but but we were like always worried about

541
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: bears and wildcats. And it was like, oh, because we

542
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: watched these freaking films that are supposed to be family films,

543
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: but for us, they were like a horror film of

544
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: what our real life was. But if you remember right

545
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: when we watched them again and like there was no

546
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: like animal child safety on those sets. It's it is terrifying.

547
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: Like there's this one sequence where here's a little girl

548
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: and she's getting attacked by wolves and you like you're

549
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: literally seeing this child like crying on screen, like true fear,

550
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,239
Speaker 1: and there's like coyotes or dogs running around here, and

551
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: like as an adult watching and I was like, oh no,

552
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: like I have no idea how they shot. They have

553
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: they have raccoons with the kids in bed, they like

554
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: they have all these real animals and you know it's

555
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: pre cg like everything is real, and it's yeah that

556
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: I'm sure that shoot was not following labor laws. Yeah, no,

557
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like it.

558
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: So it's like it's like Robinson Crusoe kind of but

559
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 4: a different, like, you know, a low budget kind of version.

560
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: Let's just get a bunch of wild animals and kids

561
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: and throw them into a Okay, interesting.

562
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: Well, we also heard all about the movies that you

563
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: and your parents would make when you were kids, and

564
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: basically that just kind of set the track for where

565
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: you both ended up. Did it feel like from the

566
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: time you were really young that you and writer were

567
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: just always going to work in the same field in

568
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry.

569
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I think we've traced it back before,

570
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: because we started making the movies when we were you know,

571
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: like four three around there, and then we kept giving

572
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: that every time we'd like, you know, come up with

573
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: an idea and then we'd get together and shoot it

574
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: with the whole family. And then we went We came

575
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: down to La and we must have been like seven,

576
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: I think or eight, yeah, and went to Universal Studios, right,

577
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: and we saw at that time they didn't have the

578
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: water World exhibit, but they did a whole wild West

579
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: like the Stunt Spectacular. Yeah, yeah, of course it was great. Yeah, right,

580
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: it was great, and we were you know, that was

581
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: our first movie we made. We were cowboys or turned

582
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Toto superheroes. We were already like into that fight anyway.

583
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: So then I remember we came back and we were like, well,

584
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: how do they do the punching? And we had this

585
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: whole thing where it was like, oh if you who

586
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: told us this, I don't know, but if you put

587
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: a piece of paper under your shirt and then you

588
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: like make a punch and then you slap your chest

589
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a sounds sounds like a really

590
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: good movie punch. Sound. Yeah, you're not doing fully, that's great. Yeah. Yeah.

591
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: So we we choreographed the whole fight sequence and did

592
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: it for the Talent Show, right, And this what grade

593
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: was that I was in kindergarten. So I was five, Yeah,

594
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: so you were in six or seven? Yeah, and we yeah,

595
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: and we we basically built a whole and it was

596
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: like we did a whole choreograph. We also had characters.

597
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: It was our first acting ever really and it just killed, like,

598
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, watching these two kids like beat the crap

599
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: out of each other, and like we had all these

600
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: bits and like I would go like in and in

601
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and in, and then you'd like punch me and we'd

602
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: roll around, we throw each other, and it was like

603
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: so yeah, we would just commit, you know, and our

604
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: parents helped us like choreograph the whole thing. And then

605
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: I remember when I was like nineteen or something or

606
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit younger, there was this guy I

607
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: think his name was Jamie, and he was like the

608
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: super tough kind of scary kid, and I remember he

609
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: was like I remember seeing you guys, like he remembered

610
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: that show that we had put off from kindergarten. Yeah,

611
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: And then every year we would do a different thing

612
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: at the talent show. So we did magic, we did

613
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: we did this the wrestling thing where I was amazing.

614
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Strong brothers what did you call yourself? Just the strong

615
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: Brother's Magic Show, Strong Brother's Magic Show. Okay, I knew

616
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: there was a title, the Strong Brother's Magic Show. Yeah.

617
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: And then we did birthday parties birthday parties to perform there.

618
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then we started taking acting classes. What was

619
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: your big trick though, Like, what was the ending trick?

620
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: What did you end on?

621
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Needles the balloon? I was just gonna say that. Yeah, yeah,

622
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: so you pull out you have balloons on our table

623
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: and we would pop a couple of them, and then

624
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 1: we would bring up someone from the audience using an adult,

625
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: like we brought up our principal or like somebody or

626
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: a parent from what the prince's name was, Yeah, exactly somebody,

627
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: and then we would and then we would take a

628
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: needle and put it through the balloon while they held

629
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: the balloon, and the balloon wouldn't pop, and it was

630
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: like how did they do it? And then we could

631
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: still Yeah it was a whole you know, special a

632
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: special balloon. How did you do it? Okay? It was

633
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: a special thick balloon. So it's like the certain balloons

634
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: that we knew were like you know hidden well oil too,

635
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: do you remember you had You would take the rag

636
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: and you would wipe wipe them across the needle and

637
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: it was like w D forty or something.

638
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: And that helps it go through, right.

639
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your memories about traveling to LA for

640
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: pilot seasons. Was it like a family trip? Did you

641
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: guys drive down together? What were those like?

642
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I've done that drive so many times, it's

643
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: just burn my memory. Like now when I do it,

644
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: actually take the one to one just for a change,

645
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, it takes a little bit longer, but yeah,

646
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean I remember it was always so I mean,

647
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: it's funny to try and think back on it now

648
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: because I can't believe how much we were doing when

649
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: I think about like how fast things were moving, you know,

650
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: but time is just so different when you're a kid too.

651
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: But it's really made me appreciate what my parents were

652
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: able to do, you know, to be able to adjust

653
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: their schedule, which I mean only you know, because our

654
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: father was a firefighter, he was able to make those

655
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: changes in the schedule. Yeah. Yeah, but I remember the

656
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: oak Woods was kind of our first spot where you know,

657
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: we hunkered down and then it was just always auditioning

658
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: and running around. But I mean, I have positive memories

659
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: of that whole experience because it was we were just

660
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: a group of kids, you know, playing all the time,

661
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, so rollerblading, yeah, role Oh my god, we

662
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: rollerbladed so much it was crazy. Yeah.

663
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the oak Woods. Who who was?

664
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: Who else was there with you? Who was kind of

665
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: like your la oak Wood crew?

666
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: I Rember because we were there a little We'll.

667
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: Just raised his hands.

668
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: Was there? Were you the oak Woods when we started? Boy? Yeah?

669
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: Why three seventeen? Baby? Why three seventeen?

670
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: Right?

671
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I totally forgot about that. Yeah, I was.

672
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: That's where Spencer and I lived. Oh that's right, totally

673
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: my first car, Spencer, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Oh man,

674
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: that was that was a show. Remember that. I know

675
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: that was a bummer man. Well, yeah, so I I was.

676
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: My first car was a nineteen seventy three Super Beetle

677
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: that Will's best friend Spencer had bought, and it was

678
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: like a convertible nable Beetle. It was so awesome. It

679
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: was sick.

680
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: It had Pender racing, the racing air shift, the racing clutch,

681
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 4: and there was like some kind of illegal engine in it,

682
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: which we did not know, so.

683
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't get it smogged, and then it was then

684
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: I ended up having to sell the thing anyway, but

685
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: it was it was the coolest car I was not

686
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: at sixteen, and that car was.

687
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: It was so great and I had to take so Spencer,

688
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 4: my roommate at the time.

689
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Spencer bought it, hated it. Had never driven stick before.

690
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: He lived and grew up in New York City and

691
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: then went to college in Pennsylvania, so he never had

692
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: a car or a license until he moved to la

693
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: at twenty seven twenty eight. The first car he got

694
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: was that he couldn't stand it because he hated the

695
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: stick shift. So he took my Selica, which was also

696
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: a stick shift, but a lot easier to use, and

697
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 4: I use that and so I'd bring that to work.

698
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: And that's when Shiloh, either writer. Shiloh saw it and

699
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 4: was like, I want that cars like it's my roommates.

700
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: I think he wants to get rid of it. So

701
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: he sold it to Shiloh. And then I get a

702
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 4: call from Shilah like, dude, I can't smock this car.

703
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: It's illegal.

704
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 4: I'm like what it's like, but I've been driving this

705
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: thing for months. He's like you've been driving it illegally.

706
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: Like what, I don't know what to do. Yeah, it

707
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: was a whole thing. I was like, I don't know

708
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: what to do. It was crazy California thing too. It

709
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: probably came from another state like this I'm with. It

710
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: was yellow and white, remember that. It was gorgeous looking.

711
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: It was great. It was silo. The big moment that

712
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: like that pulled us into LA was the Dick Tracy audition.

713
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you remember that? Like, yeah, yeah, it's funny.

714
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I remember the limo ride. That was the big Exactly,

715
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: they sent a rimo to Redwood Shire. So what happened

716
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: is we had gotten you know, we had been doing

717
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: plays locally and there was a local agent who represented

718
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: like you know, mostly background and commercial actors for the

719
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: local area and Sono mccount and she got ahold of

720
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: us and said, oh, they're auditioning for this part in

721
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: the Dick Tracy movie and we can put you on

722
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: tape for it and send it down to LA. And

723
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: so we went and did a whole scene with her.

724
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: Each of us took taking turns and they like had props,

725
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: like we set it up like as actual shoot, and

726
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: then they sent the tape off, and you know, we

727
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: were like, Wow, that would be cool to be in

728
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: a movie or whatever. And that was our first audition

729
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: really and then nothing. And then like six months later,

730
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: we got a call and they were like, can you

731
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: be it? Both of you? It's down to nine kids

732
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the same part for the same part. Can we bring

733
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna fly you guys down to Los Angeles. And

734
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: sure enough, like the next morning, a limo pulled up

735
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: to Redwitchshire, which was just the most like what is happening?

736
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood is calling and they wanted, you know, they wanted

737
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: to meet us, and and my mom was there, and

738
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: my dad had just had brain surgery. Oh, he had

739
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: had a brain tumor that Christmas. And so this was

740
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: like January or February. I was nine years old and

741
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: so you were ten, Chilah, and we and my dad

742
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: was like I'm not you know, he was like I

743
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: have to go too, because we're all going as a family.

744
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: But he was still like.

745
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: Completely covering surgery.

746
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: My god. It was awful. And we all flew to

747
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: l A and of course we were just so stoked

748
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: in the limo. I think about how stressed out my

749
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: parents were and that the company would only pay for

750
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: one plane ticket for our parents, so we had to

751
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: like buy a last minute ticket for my dad, which

752
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: costs so much money. And that's how they get, you get.

753
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: So we all went to l and I still remember

754
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: every time I drive by the Universal Sheraton, that hotel

755
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: that we stayed. Yeah, that's and we flew down. They

756
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: picked us up in a limo. They drove us to

757
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: the audition. We had to wait in the waiting room

758
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: and we each read for the kid had a horrible

759
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: experience because the well, they improved and we didn't, you know,

760
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: we had no idea what we were doing. We just

761
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: done plays. We wait, what are you?

762
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: What are you doing there?

763
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: We had the wrong.

764
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: Thages exactly exactly.

765
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: Well, do you remember anything about who else was in

766
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: the waiting room with you? I mean it was everybody there.

767
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I walked out and said they changed a line,

768
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: So I told everybody, which then prep all the other kids.

769
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: There was one kid who didn't end up getting the part,

770
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: and he was with us a lot and talked to

771
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 1: us and he was like, they would give this part

772
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: to me, but I'm too tall. So you know, they're

773
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: saying that they could just chop me off at the knees.

774
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I'd already have the part. He like totally, like you know,

775
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: like a good kid actor, he already knows how to

776
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: work the waiting room, work the waiting room. And then

777
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: we went back to the Universal Sheraton and got the

778
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: call that night that neither of us had gotten the part.

779
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: And then we flew back the next day. But he

780
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: was such a stressful but exciting. And then that was

781
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: like that was when you know, agents and people started

782
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: saying like, oh, these you know, you should come to

783
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: LA And it still took a while. For one thing,

784
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: we worked and I did a couple of commercials and you,

785
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: I think you did too, right, We worked out of

786
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: San Francisco, and then when I didn't, and.

787
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: That was that took over everything for that you know, writer,

788
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 4: does it ever hit you occasionally though, that when you're

789
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 4: talking about stories like this, you're essentially Indie's age. Yeah,

790
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 4: I mean, isn't that weird to like look at him

791
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 4: and be like, Okay, when I was at age, I

792
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: was auditioning for Dick Tracy. It's crazy, I mean, right,

793
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 4: But it also kind of like because Indy is very performed,

794
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: like I'm like it kind of makes sense. And also,

795
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 4: like like us, you just realize, like, oh, if if

796
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: a kid can like do this in any capacity, it's like, oh,

797
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: you go right to the top. It's not like wanting

798
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: to be in your twenties and wanting to be an

799
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: actor where the pool is so big. When you're a

800
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: kid who can do any of these things, you get

801
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 4: jobs or you get callbacks because you're rare, you know.

802
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: And that's the thing, like we we thought we were

803
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 4: just doing something that came very naturally, but actually because

804
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: of all the movie making and conversations and you know,

805
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 4: we just put a lot of energy into acting and

806
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 4: making up stuff and it paid off.

807
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, it was and it was always fun. It was.

808
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: It was just it was the transportation that was stressful.

809
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: And then I think about it from our parents' perspective,

810
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: it's just, oh my god, I can't commitment. It takes totally.

811
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: Oh.

812
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what you think about anybody whose parents

813
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: aren't able to drop everything, because I mean, you guys

814
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: remember those days. I mean you'd get an audition the

815
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: same day, and back then before the fax machine, which

816
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: was so amazing, you'd have to drive to your agent

817
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: to pick up the script and the sides and then

818
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: try and get a coaching or maybe not, and then

819
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: go right to the audition. And we were doing that

820
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: sometimes three times a day, and we're like, oh my gosh.

821
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: Jeez, I don't miss those days.

822
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: The parent, I like, yeah, doing it as a parent,

823
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, I couldn't see it. I

824
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: couldn't do that.

825
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: They'd have to plant because I was I lived three

826
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: hours from New York. They'd have to plan when my

827
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 4: audition was so i'd have to get the call, all right,

828
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 4: four days from now you have an audition kind of thing. Yeah,

829
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: last minute stuff didn't work unless it was for something huge,

830
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 4: right that My my parents knew that. It was like

831
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 4: the agent couldn't call and be like we need you

832
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 4: here tomorrow at eight. It's like, we can't.

833
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: It's not possible.

834
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's weird to hear the la kids though.

835
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean, we're just you run in and you do

836
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: your stuff, you.

837
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: Go back to your life. Yeah, that's I don't remember

838
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: how you got into it. Will I'd be so curious

839
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: to hear how that all came about.

840
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know if I thought you listened to

841
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 4: the podcast Shiloh.

842
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: Season one, episode three about I started the kind of

843
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: the same way you both did, just the East Coast version.

844
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: You know.

845
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: I started on stage in Hartford, and then I get

846
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: auditions in New York and I would get on the

847
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 4: bus three hours down in New York City and my

848
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: manager would pick me up at the bus and I'd

849
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: walk into the city and they'd say, you know, you're

850
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: too fat, and I'd get back on the bus and

851
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 4: any cigarettes and I would go back. So yeah, that's

852
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: what you know. My my manager wouldn't always.

853
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: Pick me up.

854
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 4: So by you know, twelve, I was a lot of

855
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: times just walking the city myself, going to my auditions.

856
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: It was great. I wouldn't change a.

857
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: Thing, right again, coming you guys dealt with this when

858
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: you know you love your town's basketball, it's an amazing place.

859
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: But getting out to like a city.

860
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: I had more real life in the four hours I

861
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: was in New York City than you know, a week

862
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 4: and eight, just because you're around people and culture and

863
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: different languages, different sounds, different smells.

864
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean, everything is just.

865
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 3: Like figuring it out on your own as a kid.

866
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, it was great.

867
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: Well, we have commonly heard story after story from different

868
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: nineties kid actors we have had where they have a

869
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: story where a certain role came down to them and

870
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: Shiloh Strong. Yes, who do you remember always seeing at auditions?

871
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: And was there anything you didn't book or that you

872
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: came very close to booking that still haunts you?

873
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, jeez, that's a fun question. Oh God, I

874
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: feel bad. I don't remember, honestly, I have a terrible memory.

875
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: But I remember one what you for Eric on board?

876
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't think I did Man.

877
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: But I was told that it was between me and

878
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 4: Jason for Almost Home.

879
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds familiar, yes, right?

880
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 4: And then the next year was also between you, me

881
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: and Jay for for Eric.

882
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: Was I told before I ever got there? Oh, maybe

883
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: they might have just been given you. They might have

884
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: that might they they wanted you to network against Will

885
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: and Jason. And I said, you got because you got

886
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: offered the mommies. The moms gave me off. You didn't

887
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: even have to read for it. That's right, you know what?

888
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: Because I did that pilot odd Man Out, which was awesome,

889
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: which I loved so much, and I was senior at

890
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: the Star of and it was and it was like

891
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: that was and yeah with Hillary Swank, which you know,

892
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: seeing her go on to become a superstar, and it

893
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: was like yeah, like yeah that was that was so

894
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: much fun. Gosh what year was that? Oh god, right

895
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: before Boys two? Really boy Yeah, yeah, you would have

896
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: been shooting it in ninety three, like summer. It was

897
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: a pilot, so it would have been spring of ninety three.

898
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: And then when it didn't get picked up is when

899
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: you got offered the Mommies Mommies or a network test

900
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: to be on Boy Me's World, right, which and I

901
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: remember being like, well, this would be weird if we're

902
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: on the same show. Others, yeah, not playing brothers. I

903
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: remember being I think we've had conversations like it's funny.

904
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: I have a specific memory of being I was up

905
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: at redwood Shire and I remember trying to make that

906
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: decision about whether or not I should go and yeah,

907
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: I do this is this is right? And I remember

908
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,959
Speaker 1: I was climbed a tree because that's what we.

909
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: Did back where you went and thought, of course where

910
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 3: I would go.

911
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: And think and I remember being like, okay, do I

912
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: want to do this? And I remember I feel like

913
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: we were having conversations. Writer and also with the parents

914
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: just being like, how could we be on the same

915
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: TV show but not be brothers, Like it doesn't make

916
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: any sense, Like it's just going to be a weird

917
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: thing just from like a r standpoint, So they're not

918
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: really brothers, but I don't know. Yeah, And then I

919
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: was also so sick of auditioning, I think, and you know,

920
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: I was so bummed that Odd Man Out didn't go

921
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: because that had been such a fun project and I

922
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: was so excited about that. And then here was the

923
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: Mommy is where it was like a sure thing and

924
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: it was kind of a smaller part, and I was like, yeah,

925
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: I think I'll just you know, go that run. I

926
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: was also on NBC, which was a better network. I

927
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: remember it was always yeah, considered. Yeah. So then I

928
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: came back and I was like, yeah, no, so yeah,

929
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: So I don't think I ever auditioned for it well,

930
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like they offered it to me, but yeah,

931
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, if that had, I mean, you know,

932
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: alternate realities, I don't think the show would have gone if.

933
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 4: I oh, who knows. I just think I remember looking

934
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 4: at the two of you though. If this makes sense,

935
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 4: how I'm going to describe this. If you were the

936
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: same age as you were ten years later, there's no

937
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: way Disney Channel wouldn't have come to you and been like,

938
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: we want to do a brother show. It would have

939
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 4: been perfect for that, because like ten years later is

940
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: when the all the twin Stuff kids started happening on

941
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 4: Disney Channel and all the brothers sister stuff are. You

942
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: would have been the perfect Disney team to do some

943
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: kind of a show.

944
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: If in reality, if we had just not if we

945
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: didn't have other shows we were on, it probably would

946
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: have happened because you look at the Lawrence brothers, they

947
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: were already being cast together as brothers consistently because it

948
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: is it's even more rare that you have kid actors

949
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: who can both you know, act and look alike and

950
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: be brothers, and it's more convenient for the family. Like

951
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, but yeah, we never we never

952
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: got there.

953
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I want to see a show that starred

954
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 4: the Lawrence brothers, the Savage Brothers, and the Strong Brothers.

955
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: I don't even know what it would be, but just

956
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: every all that Powerhouse teams together.

957
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: Would have been really interesting to watch. There's still time

958
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: will our first pilot season, Shiloh, you the job. Our

959
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: mom said, Okay, we're going to go down to the

960
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: oak Woods. We're going to go down for pilot season,

961
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: which was two or three months, and if the kids

962
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: get jobs, then we'll pursue this part of our lives.

963
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: If they don't, then we won't. And by the end

964
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: of that pilot season, I had booked The Jewelie Show.

965
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: So I was on a sitcom and you booked House

966
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: of Cards right right. It was a great movie with

967
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones and that was Do

968
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: do you remember your audition for that with Mally Finn,

969
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the legendary casting director. Oh, yeah, that was amazing. She

970
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: was so supportive and that was all improv I remember

971
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: we were like but by that time I had some

972
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: chops in those situations, and I remember, Yeah, that was

973
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: a great audition. And then that was an amazing experience

974
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: because going out there the director Michael Lessak, who I

975
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: think this was the first feature that he had made,

976
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: and it was a I don't know if it was

977
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: a Mirramax film at that point, yes, was it already

978
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: because then it went to Sundance, But did it get

979
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: bought when it went to Sunday, and I think it

980
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: was always a Mirramax film, but like we had an

981
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: entire month I think of rehearsal of what just wow.

982
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: And Michael Jackie was the like dialogue coach, so she

983
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: worked with me one on one on like all of

984
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: our scenes, and I remember, like it was just such

985
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: an incredible experience for a young actor to be able

986
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: to have that kind of support and the ability to play,

987
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: you know. But I remember I had no idea how

988
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: like the first scene that we shot. I didn't understand

989
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: how like camera angles worked and like how multiple takes happened.

990
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: So I remember like doing it kind of like once

991
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: and thinking Okay, great, we did it, and they're like, okay, great,

992
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: we're going to do it again and move And I

993
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: was like wait what, Like that was such a foreign concept,

994
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: just the basic mechanics of it. Like yeah, but that

995
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: was a very cool, very cool experience like that three

996
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: months in North Carolina. Yeah. I mean the movie doesn't

997
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: age well. Unfortunately. It's kind of an outdated way of

998
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: like perceiving autism, you know, based on what we understand

999
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: about autism nowadays, you know, and like one woman trying

1000
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: to get back in touch with her daughter who might

1001
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: be autistic. But so, you know, from a medical standpoint,

1002
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't think it really right, but yeah, but it was.

1003
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: It was a very cool experience. I then going to

1004
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Sundance as a you know, eleven year old and being

1005
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: an adip. She's being like, what's happened?

1006
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: Were you wildly intimidated around Tommy Lee Jones and Kathleen

1007
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: Turner or did you just feel right in your element?

1008
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: Oh? No, they were great, Like I mean, yeah, it

1009
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: was awesome, you know. I mean that's the thing. I

1010
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: think all of us had that, Like when you're acting

1011
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: and you know, like if you're working with a real actor,

1012
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: like a profictional older actor, like they're going to be

1013
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: giving you everything you need as a young actor to

1014
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: be able to go, oh oh you get it. Okay, great,

1015
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: let's let's do this and then we're playing you know,

1016
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: And that was and that was great to be able

1017
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: to have them and support for that. You know, Yeah,

1018
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 1: it was cool.

1019
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: That's so awesome. Did you come by the Boy Meets

1020
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 3: World set a lot?

1021
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: I don't really remember you being on set all the time,

1022
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: but you must have been, right, I do.

1023
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember coming by, like Danielle. We didn't really

1024
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: hang out that much.

1025
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: No, I didn't hang out. I was I was really young.

1026
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and I think we I would come for

1027
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: tape show for the eight nights, yeah nights. Yeah, and

1028
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: that was always fun or stop by I you know,

1029
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: once Rider got a car and we were all kind

1030
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: of like driving around LA and doing stuff. So I know,

1031
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: we all like went out for like lunch, you know, yes,

1032
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: you know where Jerry's I think was another one.

1033
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Jerry's Amsterdam yea and Amsterdam.

1034
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: That was so much fun. We was just looking at

1035
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: pictures of though maybe you sent him to me. It

1036
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, Jason Marsden, you me and Marsden and

1037
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: an angel I did.

1038
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: We've heard the story about you having was it your

1039
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: backpack basically.

1040
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: But I know who calls that to a kid, you know,

1041
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: the car back literally on the ride back.

1042
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: From the I don't want to do this trade.

1043
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 4: I don't think this is a fair trade, and handing

1044
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: him back to the backpack he had used.

1045
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: The entire trip. We looked at each other like this

1046
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: can't that can't be real. It can't it just happened.

1047
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 4: I remember one of the coolest moments of that trip, though,

1048
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: I remember was you and I were walking through the

1049
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 4: lines applying and I looked at you and I went, dude,

1050
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 4: I like your shirt, and you I like your Sure,

1051
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 4: I want to trade. And in the middle of the

1052
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 4: street we just swap shirts. And I think I had

1053
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 4: it to like a month ago.

1054
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: I want to trade is like, I don't. I don't know.

1055
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: It's such a such a teenager thing, like I want

1056
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: to trade.

1057
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: We were very we were very big into the magic

1058
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: cards then too right, Oh yeah about because we would

1059
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: play for anti and it was if you got the

1060
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: one card and then we would be trading cards.

1061
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 4: And like I still I still use when I do play,

1062
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: I still use a card that I won from you.

1063
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: I still use Balance all the time. Remember Balance, That's

1064
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 4: such a great card. It's a great card, and I

1065
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: still use Yeah, yeah, it was great.

1066
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: I want to try that out in the wild with

1067
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 2: another woman's handbag.

1068
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: I love your handbag. Oh thanks, I love yours. Would

1069
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: you like to trade?

1070
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: Trade?

1071
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 3: You just want to try to offer trades. I want

1072
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: to see how it goes. I'll let you know how

1073
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: this experiment works.

1074
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing.

1075
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 4: When two people consider it equal the trade goes very well,

1076
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: and when one is not trying to take advantage of

1077
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 4: the other person, the trade it is very successful. It's

1078
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 4: when one person is nefarious.

1079
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: Said trade does not work. So I think part of

1080
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: the reason that you didn't I weren't always on the

1081
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: set is that you were also on the Mommies. You were,

1082
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: so you guys, were you Friday tape nights? Is that

1083
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: what you did? Do you remember? That sounds familiar? Yeah,

1084
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what It was a period there

1085
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: because I got my proficiency when I was sixteen, and

1086
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: then I got emancipated, and so I was like pretty

1087
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: much on my own down here. You know. We were

1088
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: living in that Encino house, if I remember. But then

1089
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: I started going to La Valley Community College, so I

1090
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: would go there for night classes and then go to

1091
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: yeah work, But I feel like I was only showing

1092
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: up because I didn't have to do school and I

1093
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: didn't you know, I would only have a couple of

1094
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: scenes usually in an episode, so it was a pretty

1095
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: easy thing. So I would just drive on and you know,

1096
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: do my rehearsal and then do the run through, and

1097
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: then I was pretty much done until you know, the

1098
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: tape night. Do you do you have a clear like, like,

1099
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: do you have a memory of what the difference between

1100
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: the sets was like in terms of like the creative

1101
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: environment or the production process, Like what is there? That's great?

1102
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: H you know.

1103
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: The thing was you guys. What I loved about coming

1104
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: to you guys was you guys were all the same age,

1105
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: and you had a bunch, you know, and you guys

1106
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: were all friends. Like it was just it was a

1107
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: great group of people, like and you know, we were

1108
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: all you know, like you guys were all playing together

1109
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: and working the scenes and getting the laughs, and you know,

1110
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: it was just a it was a really great energy

1111
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: on the set, you know, and on the Mommy is

1112
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: like everybody was nice. But I was the only teenager,

1113
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: Like it was basically everybody else were adults or they

1114
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: were young kids. So I was just kind of by myself,

1115
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, and I was kind of going through a

1116
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: period where I was didn't really want to be in

1117
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Like I was flying back up to Northern

1118
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: California pretty much every weekend because I had at do

1119
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: you have.

1120
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: Someone to give a white rose too? As well?

1121
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: Who was your Maureen? Yeah, let's see at that time

1122
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: I was I was dating this this this girl Emily

1123
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah, but then I mean, I guess

1124
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: then Hillary, and then that was dating Hillary and that

1125
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: was kind of you know which I don't know how

1126
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: long we were together for until I broke her heart

1127
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: apparently to say, yeah, just long enough to meet her

1128
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: parents once, and that was it. I'm actually seeing her.

1129
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: We're going to beat up. Because after I listened to

1130
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: the podcast, I was just like, oh my god, I'm going.

1131
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 3: To reach out to her.

1132
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: Well, I'm such positive memories of her, like she was

1133
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: She's wonderful, and also hearing her voice on the podcast,

1134
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I miss her. Yeah,

1135
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: she's awesome. You know.

1136
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: I that that same I had a similar I mean,

1137
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: obviously I got along with Rider very well, and got

1138
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 4: along with Ben and got along with Danielle, but I

1139
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: was the same thing. It was like, there were the

1140
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 4: adults and then they were kind of they had their group.

1141
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 4: Then then Rider and Ben they were all kind of together,

1142
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: and then I was just old enough to kind of

1143
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 4: be in the middle totally.

1144
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was like, well, do.

1145
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 4: I want to go have an uncomfortable lunch with the

1146
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: adults or an uncomfortable lunch with the younger guys.

1147
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: Like you remember Shilah decided he was going to learn juggling, right,

1148
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: and he would say, you have your own trailer and

1149
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: you would just juggle and like you were just got

1150
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: to decided you were going to like learn all these

1151
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: like your own tricks and your own things. And yeah,

1152
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: like my memory is that you you didn't really like

1153
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: the mommies that much. Like the job itself was was

1154
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: dissatisfying creatively, but you were kind of like, eugh, I

1155
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: want to be doing the real stuff. Yeah, well was

1156
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: I remember the character was like kind of a deadbeat character.

1157
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: That was the ongoing joke is like, oh, he just

1158
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: never does anything. He's always just making out with his

1159
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: girlfriend on the couch, you know, which was always a

1160
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: funny thing. So I remember she was great, but you

1161
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: know she was I think she was like twenty five

1162
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: or something, and you know, here I am like nineteen

1163
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: year old. She's just laying on me, and I'm like, okay,

1164
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: don't think too much about what's actually.

1165
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember that you're on camera seventeen.

1166
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Dude, you weren't nineteen. You were only sixteen seventeen doing

1167
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: the Mommies. It's so hard to try and put this

1168
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: in perspective because you know, I mean, you're acting like

1169
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: an adult at such a young age, you know. Yeah,

1170
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: so I think, yeah, not having that sense of you know,

1171
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: community or friendships on the set kind of right a toll.

1172
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, do you remember the creative team that

1173
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: was in charge, like who was the executive producer, what

1174
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: the note sessions were like, or any of them? No,

1175
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, I don't remember anybody. I don't

1176
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: remember anybody really giving me. I just didn't have much

1177
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: to do, like much of a character, you know, so

1178
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have really I think I had one episode

1179
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: that was like actually about my character, and every other

1180
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: one it was just sort of like one or two

1181
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: lines here there, bopping in. And you know, it only

1182
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: went for two seasons, if even that, I think, I

1183
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: don't even think. We got picked up halfway through the

1184
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: second season.

1185
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 4: But the Mommies, now, so the Mommies, if memory serves,

1186
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 4: they were two were they stand ups? Originally two stand

1187
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 4: up comedians that worked together. They're like a comedy team, right.

1188
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, And their whole bit was sort of like being

1189
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: the moms and you know, mom jokes, right, you know.

1190
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: Then they yeah, and then they got this TV show,

1191
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: so they you know, I don't think they were classically

1192
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: trained actors, but they might have been. But no, no,

1193
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: it was the nineties. It was the nineties.

1194
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 4: I mean the nineties with Seinfeld and the Jeff fox

1195
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 4: Worthy Show. I mean, if you were a stand up,

1196
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: you were you'd get a sitcom. So so that was

1197
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 4: kind of yeah exactly, I said, they're handing them out

1198
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: and when you when you get out of it. But yeah,

1199
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: so that's I remember that because I remember you you

1200
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 4: and I talking about it where it was like, yeah,

1201
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: they're stand ups and they're kind of do their bit

1202
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: every week, and it was like, okay.

1203
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: Well, strangely they were from Petaluma, which is right by Sebastopos,

1204
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: so they were from northern California, and yeah, they had

1205
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: just become a phenomenon, like their stand up routine, you know,

1206
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: and then yeah, they got these They had competing offers,

1207
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 1: they had offers from every network to do a sitcom,

1208
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: and they chose NBC and got a full first season

1209
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: order just off of selling their show. So that's what's

1210
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: so interesting is that The Mommies was a higher profile

1211
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: show like Boy Meets World was like what will this

1212
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: thing go? You know? And then The Mommies was like

1213
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: the more short thing, and I mean they were great.

1214
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows why things don't work out, you know.

1215
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean back then it was all about the ratings

1216
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like who you're up against. I mean,

1217
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: that was always ruffle that they were trying to do.

1218
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because I feel like that's

1219
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: an age that's passed now, right. I mean, it's not

1220
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: really a conversation that people have anymore. I don't even

1221
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: know how shows keep going.

1222
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: As writer mentioned in your Downtime, then on The Mommies

1223
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: you learn to juggle. There have been many times on

1224
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: the podcast where we have waxed poetic and praised the

1225
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: uniqueness of the overall just cool vibe that is Shiloh Strong.

1226
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: Did you see yourself as confident then or was it

1227
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 2: just that you wanted to ride around on a unicycle

1228
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: and wear a top hat.

1229
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 4: The cool and smoke a pipe pipe.

1230
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't a top app it was a It

1231
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: was a bowler bowler bowler, which was great. That was

1232
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: like my ultimate hacky sack move because you could.

1233
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 4: Like storm, I remember that, and you could put oh buddy,

1234
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 4: are you kidding me?

1235
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: Warm memory unlocked?

1236
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, you guys hacky sacking and you resting

1237
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: that hacky sack on the book.

1238
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: I literal core me.

1239
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, like yeah, I definitely did not

1240
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: think I was cool. I don't think like cool. Was

1241
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: not like a uh no, it was just it was,

1242
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, coming from northern California and none such and

1243
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: this kind of awkward, weird. Everybody was like encouraged to

1244
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: be creative in themselves, you know, non judgmental or try

1245
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: to be right, and you know, it kind of worked

1246
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, as anybody who like

1247
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: conformed to the norm.

1248
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 3: Was you know, oh yeah, you were allowed to judge them.

1249
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. So I'm back.

1250
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 4: I'm back here in Avon, and I went to my

1251
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: clean out my closet. When I got here, I was

1252
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 4: putting stuff in there and.

1253
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 1: Most of it's gone.

1254
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 4: But there's still one stick left from the juggling things

1255
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 4: that we brought to.

1256
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: Adam to me, Yes, oh my god, what these are

1257
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: the ones, by the way, that we would do in

1258
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: Vondel Park.

1259
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 4: This is literally the same one that was there. So yeah,

1260
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 4: I saw that today. I was like, oh my god,

1261
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 4: the Devils sticks.

1262
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: That's what we would just hang out in the park

1263
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: and Hacky Sack play with the sticks and like, oh

1264
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: that was so much fun. Oh it's a great trip.

1265
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: It was an absolutely great I remember the juggling thing

1266
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: I had trying to remember. I had this whole theory, which

1267
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: was okay, and I still believe this. There's a part

1268
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: of your brain that that actually connects the left and

1269
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: the right hemispheres of your brain, you know how the

1270
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: two were kind of like a logical and you know,

1271
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: more creative. And so I had this idea that if

1272
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: you have anything that ever crosses between those two hemispheres,

1273
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: like if you're passing a ball back and forth or

1274
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: hacky sacking, as long as you're using ambidextris right, that

1275
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: that's going to be like strengthening that part of your

1276
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: brain and causing you to feel more creative, but also

1277
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: bringing in some of your reasoning capacities. So that was

1278
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: thinking of it in that way, and it was always

1279
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: just a good challenge and something to do. You know,

1280
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: while I was by myself sitting in the waiting or trailer,

1281
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, and you were always so like, I mean,

1282
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: you're athletic, but you were also just acrobatic because we

1283
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: did gymnastics and you were really good at gymnastics. And and

1284
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: then I remember you discovered chaplain and like the whole

1285
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: idea of like physical comedy, and you decided to master

1286
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these like cool skills, which in retrospect

1287
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: is like pretty awesome for a you. Like, I'm not

1288
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: just going to be a kid actor. I'm also going

1289
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: to figure out how to do all these tricks. And yeah,

1290
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,479
Speaker 1: Buster was so cool. No, that's nice to hear. Thanks, guys,

1291
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: that's cool. I mean, yeah, I love all that. I mean,

1292
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 1: it's funny. It's transferred over now as an adult. I

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Speaker 1: mean I still juggle, like I still have my juggling balls,

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: these little pasts, because that's why I have notes to

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00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: myself if I start stressing out, it's like, hey, dude,

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00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: just juggle. I'm like, all right, okay, you know, find

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00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: the ways to calm the anxiety if you start freaking out.

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Speaker 3: I love those tools, those little self help tools.

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Speaker 1: Those are great. You gotta find them some way. I

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01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: would get so anxious trying to juggle. Damn it. I

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: would love to learn how to juggle. Yeah, it's so

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01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: it's very therapeutic, you know. Okay, I could totally see that.

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01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 2: Jumping ahead a bit, We haven't talked a lot about

1304
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 2: making Girl Meets World on the show, mostly because we

1305
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: try to keep it up beat, but I do know

1306
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: that a major high point for everyone on the show

1307
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: was how much you and Writer were able to direct us.

1308
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: You guys were so wonderful. It was such a major

1309
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: high point for the entire cast. How did it feel

1310
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: to not only step foot again on a show you

1311
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 2: had both obviously been very close to for so long,

1312
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: but to now work with like a new generation of kids,

1313
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 2: little writers and Shiloh's essentially decades later.

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Speaker 3: How was that? What did that feel like for you?

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01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it was. Yeah. Working with the kids was amazing.

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Like walking back on that set just felt like going

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01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: back into like a time capsule, you know, like but

1319
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: in the best possible way, because it was so comfortable

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: and familiar and being with you guys and working with

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: you guys again in that way was so rewarding. Like, yeah,

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01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. And seeing the kids being able to

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Speaker 1: I mean, they were so great and so down and

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01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, gosh, I just love that sitcom. You know,

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: you get to rehearse, you get to work the jokes

1326
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: and figure out the blocking and get you know, it's

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: just like the the whole week is just and then

1328
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: leading up to that show, it was just so much fun.

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01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and we did a live studio audience on

1330
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: Girl Meets World, which which is still very rare. So yeah,

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's really rare. We were one of

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01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: the only people who was doing it even back then,

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01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: and that is that was just.

1334
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: It nothing like it.

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01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: There's not I mean, there really is nothing, and it's

1336
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: it's a shame because it's dying and it is.

1337
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: It is you know, the full sitcom.

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Speaker 4: You're rehearsing a play every week, but then you get

1339
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 4: to lead up to show night where you're actually, yeah.

1340
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: Then taping the thing. It is just it's it is.

1341
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Speaker 4: It's so unique in our industry and it's a shame

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01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 4: that it's going away because it is a wonderful experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just gone now. Yeah, I remember, I mean

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Speaker 1: as directors for Shilah and I like the week. You know,

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01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: during the week, you're just rehearsing without really you know,

1346
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: you have some props and but there's no cameras, there's

1347
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: no audio equipment, and for us, it was just kind

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01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: of like our domain, you know, Like and I remember

1349
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: we had a lot of conscious like conversations about like,

1350
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: let's make sure that these kids are not only hitting

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01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: their beats and saying our lives, but like learning how

1352
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: to act or like understanding what acting is, you know,

1353
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: because kid actors come in with all their own ideas

1354
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: and they're you know, and they're always being told what

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01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: to do or what the end results should be. And

1356
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: we knew from having been in those shoes, like how

1357
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: crazy that can be and how intimidating that can be.

1358
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: And we were like, let's make this just the coolest,

1359
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: safest space ever. And I feel like we just always

1360
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: had fun, you know. I just remember having so much

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01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: fun with the kids and they were so Yeah. Well

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01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the kids.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Danielle, you weren't directing yet at the time

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01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 4: that I had gone on Girl Mets World. So I

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01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 4: remember because again I would have loved to have worked

1366
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: with you, but that was part of the deal of

1367
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 4: me coming back, because I, you know, was dealing with anxiety.

1368
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 4: I hadn't been on camera in years and years and years,

1369
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 4: and part of the quote unquote contractor for me coming

1370
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 4: back was that you guys directed me. It was like

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01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 4: I knew that, you know again with someday I'm going

1372
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 4: to work with Danielle as a director. But at the

1373
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 4: time you guys were there and I knew it was

1374
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, at least they'll know I'll be it'll

1375
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 4: be safe, it'll be calm, it'll be comfortable. So that

1376
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 4: was like part of the deal was Okay, I'll come

1377
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 4: back and do these episodes if writer and Shilock can direct.

1378
01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: It, and they're like, oha, fine.

1379
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: I was obviously very close to all of those kids,

1380
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: and every time we would see your names on a script,

1381
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 2: there was just a sense of like relief. There was

1382
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: really a sense of oh good, We're going to have

1383
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 2: a good week. We're going to be in safe hands.

1384
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: We're going to be in hands that are gonna encourage

1385
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 2: us and guide us and make it fun. You know,

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01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: you guys played running charades. You made sure that you

1387
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 2: built time into because as fun as the Boy Meets

1388
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 2: World set was, Girl Meets World did have a different energy.

1389
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: It was not the same and it didn't need to

1390
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: be different. It could have been the same, but it

1391
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: wasn't for whatever reasons, and you guys tried to infuse

1392
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 2: it with fun wherever you could, and so that it

1393
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: was such a It was just such a joy to

1394
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 2: work with you both, and so thank you.

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thank you. Looking back, I mean, especially working

1396
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: with you in particular, was anytime we had a scene together,

1397
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: I was just always like, oh, I just know this

1398
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: is going to work. Great. That's what started directing too, right,

1399
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: wasn't that during that period?

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, second season I got to do one and then

1401
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: in season three I got to do three more, so

1402
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: I I yeah, but it was.

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01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: Amazing to see even in the first season. I remember

1404
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: when whenever we first started working together, I remember you

1405
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: were already able to see how the whole scene would work,

1406
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: and having your relationship with the kids independently was so

1407
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: helpful to be able to talk to you and recognize,

1408
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: oh the dynamics here. I think it was just Yes,

1409
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: you were like a rock of support. Yeah, totally.

1410
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was the number one thing I was most

1411
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: excited about when we came onto Girl Meets World. Was like,

1412
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going to get to be the adult,

1413
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: the responsible adult who looking back, I didn't even realize

1414
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 2: until we started this podcast how much I had taken

1415
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 2: Betsy and Rusty and Bill Daniels for granted. But I

1416
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 2: even then, even when we started Girl Meets World, was

1417
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: aware enough that they were such like good examples of

1418
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 2: professionalism that I was like.

1419
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: I can't believe I get to be a I get

1420
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: to be one of those, right exactly.

1421
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: And because I'm the mom to the mom on the

1422
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: show to these kids, I'm going to have developed strong

1423
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 2: relationships with them, and we'll be able to work with

1424
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: the directors as just an actor, but.

1425
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 3: To help bring all of this to life.

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01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: It was like literally the number one thing I was

1427
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: most excited about. And some directors, of course, are more

1428
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 2: receptive to that feeling. And it's usually the actor directors

1429
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 2: who are who know very well that actors have a

1430
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: lot to contribute to making a show come to life

1431
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: if you're willing to allow them as collaborators instead of

1432
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 2: a Stuppens.

1433
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, that's the thing. When we came in,

1434
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: I remember watching because we started shadowing the directors that

1435
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: were already working, and they would just be stand over here,

1436
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: walk over here, do this, you know.

1437
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 2: Helping them by the elbow, literally pulling up by the

1438
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: elbow a couple of inches.

1439
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: And I remember shallow and I being like, okay, day

1440
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: one question number one to the kids is what do

1441
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: you want to do? What do you think? How do

1442
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: you know? And and I remember like the biggest accomplishment

1443
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: for child and I was like, there was one there

1444
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: was one episode where we realized that Rowan was doing

1445
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: it different every take and we're like, she feels confident,

1446
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: He's she's free. She's like she had somehow like every

1447
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: lie every time she did it, she was like I

1448
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: just out of her head and like in the moment

1449
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,320
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, she's good, it's happening, And

1450
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 1: it was like that's what that's what we miss, you know,

1451
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: like that's the best feeling. Yeah. I remember one another

1452
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: girl be Well moment. I remember Will. It was seeing

1453
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: you and I don't know if it was the first

1454
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: time you came back, but when you did the mister

1455
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: Squirrels bit with you and watching you like work that

1456
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: through and finding the beats, it was it was just magical. Man.

1457
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think you are hands down one

1458
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: of the best comedic actors, I've ever seen you in

1459
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: that in that moment and finding it and feeling the

1460
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: audience reaction when the door opened, like it's just burned

1461
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: in my memory. Oh well, it was nuts. Do you

1462
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: remember they had they gave Will like seventeen beats, yes, comedy,

1463
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: and he had to like show up in the costume,

1464
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: the costume if play a trumpet. At one point, I

1465
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: feel like it was like all this stuff that they

1466
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: were just loading on you, And I remember getting in

1467
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 1: the rehearsal and being like, oh my god, like looking

1468
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: at the script and be like, how are we going

1469
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: to get this? And then we'll just it. Well, do

1470
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: you remember.

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Speaker 3: Two that week?

1472
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Speaker 2: That was one of the examples of Michael who has

1473
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: an almost cartoon like image in his mind and he

1474
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: just is telling you, well, you need to figure out

1475
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: how to bring this to life. And the whole bit

1476
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:41,520
Speaker 2: with that was he wanted in one move the entire costume,

1477
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: including the beard and the hair and all of the

1478
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 2: clothes in one move, like, let's say, from the beard.

1479
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 2: He wanted him to pull the beard and have all

1480
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,839
Speaker 2: of it disappear so that he was only wearing boxers

1481
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: and we were like.

1482
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 3: The realm of reality. How do you say? And I

1483
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 3: don't care, I don't know. Whatever you need to do.

1484
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 2: Talk to wardrobe, talk to and he just expected you,

1485
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: guys and will to bring it to life. And that

1486
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 2: was definitely a moment where I just tiptoed my way back,

1487
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: like you know.

1488
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: Homer Simpson into a bush. I'm just gonna knock out

1489
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 3: of this.

1490
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 1: If it was anybody else, Shallow and I would have

1491
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: been like, absolutely impossible. But we were like, I think

1492
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: we'll do it, and.

1493
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,440
Speaker 3: Just what he figured out a way.

1494
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: It was fun. I just remember working with the kids.

1495
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: Working with the kids was amazing.

1496
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 4: It really was.

1497
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 2: Totally well, Shiloh, Now you have shifted your focus to photography,

1498
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: and I know a quick look at your Instagram shows

1499
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 2: new profile pictures of Seth Rogen and Kristin Davis, as

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01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: well as an interest in men's dating profile pics.

1501
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 3: I love it.

1502
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's a's a that's a pretty fun story.

1503
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: I randomly, when I was living up in Northern California,

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01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: I was looking for a job and I found this

1505
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: listing for a company that was looking for like a

1506
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,799
Speaker 1: said male dating profile photography, and I was like, okay,

1507
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 1: that that's fascinating, and so I applied and I'm like this, Yeah,

1508
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: this sounds like it'd be kind of fun to do.

1509
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: And then it's this company. They're called the Match Artist,

1510
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: and they basically are a nationwide but it's they cater

1511
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: mostly to men, but women do it.

1512
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 3: Too, but right, it's a matchmaking service.

1513
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: It's not even that, it's just the photography.

1514
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 4: Right.

1515
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,360
Speaker 1: Then I went to school for photography, Like photography has

1516
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: always been my thing that I love. Like that's when

1517
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: I went to college. I was like it was kind

1518
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: of my backup plan for everything else because I was,

1519
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know, get a real job, like a photographer,

1520
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: Like only an actor can think that. That's like a

1521
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: steady gig. Right, I'll get a real job. I'll play

1522
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: drums in a band. But it's been great. I mean

1523
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: I really I've always loved photography and visual storytelling, you know,

1524
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: so that kind of and in these situations, you know,

1525
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: I go and I meet somebody who needs looking for love,

1526
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: which is always a noble west and kind of to

1527
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: know them and then you craft a story about who

1528
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: they are and photograph them in the best possible light.

1529
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,759
Speaker 1: And it's been amazing, Like I've met so many really

1530
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: interesting men, all different ages from like twenty five to

1531
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: fifty five and photographing their profile pictures to help them

1532
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: go out there and do it.

1533
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: I love this so much because every dude I know.

1534
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: Has pictures, like if you were to if they were

1535
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 2: going to go and put together a dating profile, they

1536
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 2: have pictures of themselves, but they've never taken consideration for

1537
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 2: the lighting where they took a photo, who else is

1538
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 2: in that photo, what the positioning of their body was,

1539
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 2: Like you're just not thinking about that. So then you

1540
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: go to create a profile and you want to put

1541
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: your best foot forward because somebody has to make a

1542
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 2: quick judgment about whether or not they're interested in dating you,

1543
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: and you're looking through probably a bunch of photos that

1544
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: are either too old do not represent you in a

1545
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: way that is putting your best foot forward.

1546
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: This is so, this is so smart.

1547
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it's totally it's yea, every no, it's it's true.

1548
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: It's been an amazing experience, and yeah, and recognizing how

1549
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: much that has changed in the culture now this is

1550
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: how people meet online, especially the younger generation. So like, yeah, yeah,

1551
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 1: so I'm exploring them, working on a documentary trying to

1552
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: explore this kind of world because it's just fascinating to

1553
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: me of like these you know, men looking for love

1554
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 1: and following them, but then also trying to understand the

1555
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: changing dynamics of masculinity and how we present ourselves and

1556
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: what that means in today's society. So it's a work

1557
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: in progress. But yeah, so yes, thank you for But

1558
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: the photography has always been a part of my life

1559
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,799
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the next Yeah, it would.

1560
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: Be your dream subject for a portrait.

1561
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, I I just love people. I

1562
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: mean that's what I've realized. Like who's oh Will, Yeah,

1563
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: let's do a photo Shore Will if you want to.

1564
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, this is what I've realized. No, no, no, stop,

1565
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: can do this. I realized I love photographing creative people,

1566
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, like portraits, and if there's some way that

1567
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: I can give a little bit of like a collaborative collaboration,

1568
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. We've all worked in this

1569
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: same industry where you know, collaboration is key, and so

1570
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: finding some way that somebody wants to present themselves either.

1571
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: You know, I remember shooting a guy years ago who

1572
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: was a magician, and this is when I had a

1573
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: studio downtown and he came in with like all of

1574
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: his props and his stuff, And it's just so fun

1575
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: to work through somebody to figure out how they want

1576
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 1: to present themselves and how I can kind of help

1577
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: tell their story. I guess in a way that I

1578
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: am feeling like I'm contributing some aspect to that in

1579
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: the storytelling. And I you know, for me, I like

1580
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: photos that kind of make people question, like, oh, what's

1581
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: kind of going on here? Are something funny or quirky

1582
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 1: or interesting? Yeah, but like I don't really have like

1583
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: an ideal subject, I mean, honestly, I just yeah, any

1584
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 1: creative endeavor person honestly would be a good one, right,

1585
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: But you definitely like people with personality or their own

1586
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: their own Yeah, like the worst would be I mean

1587
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,719
Speaker 1: because you actually have done quite a bit of fashion

1588
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: photography too, which is cool, but you always veer towards

1589
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: a storytelling. So even your fashion photography, you would find

1590
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: ways to like, oh, the story of this photo shoot is,

1591
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: and you would come up with this insanely complicated narrative

1592
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: just we're basically selling close, I know, And that was

1593
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: I kind of got when I was in school. I

1594
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 1: had this amazing instructor, Nino, who was a fashion teacher,

1595
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: and you know, it was And that's what I loved

1596
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: about is because I would create these photo shoots and

1597
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: do a whole thing. And I realized, I'm like, I

1598
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 1: don't care about the clothes. I'm like, that's not a

1599
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 1: good thing. That's not good. This shouldn't be. But I

1600
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: mean that's why. You know, when you do a fashion shoot,

1601
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: you've got a stylist. You know, it's a full production

1602
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: if you have the money. It just costs a lot

1603
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 1: to do it right. And also, you know, majority of

1604
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 1: fashion photography is up against a white wall photography and

1605
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: put it on the internet. You know. I got like

1606
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: the editorial fashion photos, and that's a really tough world

1607
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: to break into, especially in Los Angeles, Like it's more

1608
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: of a New York, you know, which I'd considered going

1609
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: to New York. But yeah, then like house burned out

1610
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: in Santa Barbara, and then.

1611
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 3: I moved back to Oh my gosh.

1612
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 4: You with me, and then you came and lived with

1613
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 4: me after I was like, well, I have nowhere to go.

1614
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: I was like, come live with me. That was awful.

1615
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 4: I remember I had to give you a belt, like

1616
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 4: you literally had nothing nothing.

1617
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 1: No, literally everything fit in my car. I actually went

1618
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: to Goodwill and got rid of everything that I that

1619
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't fit in my car because I was like, you know,

1620
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: but I mean, I you know, luckily I had a

1621
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 1: change of clothes and a surfboard and writer was right

1622
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 1: down in the World Canyon and you were there at

1623
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: the time. So yeah, it was two and seven right.

1624
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 3: Burned down.

1625
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: So it was in Santa Barbara and there was just

1626
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: a wildfire that came through and I was down in

1627
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 1: La Rider and I were down in and I remember

1628
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: I got the call from the people who lived in

1629
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: the front house and they were like, hey, there's a

1630
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: fire here, you better get back up. And I jumped

1631
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: in the car and I couldn't get back up and

1632
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: just sat in Santa Barbara was able to stay with

1633
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: a friend of mine at the time, and just watched

1634
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: the hillside explode.

1635
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, yeah didn't you didn't you have a

1636
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 4: motorcycle at the time, so I remember there wasn't there

1637
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 4: a photograph. The only thing left was like a melted engine.

1638
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 4: That was all you could make out.

1639
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like the chrome on the wheels of

1640
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: the tire had melted and created like river of chrome.

1641
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean it was so it must have been so hot.

1642
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean every glass thing I had in the house

1643
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: was like just turned into like marbles basically. I mean,

1644
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: it's the most surreal experience anybody Like it was the

1645
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: most surreal experience I'd had up to that point in

1646
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: my life. Like still to this day, if I smell fire,

1647
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: I get I can feel myself getting like, you know,

1648
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: crazy about it. I was awful, man. Yeah, you lost

1649
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: all your photo negatives because you had you you have

1650
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: been shooting on film a lot. Yeah, that went all

1651
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: the way through.

1652
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you lost all your magic cards. I remember, you

1653
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 4: lost all your magics, like you lost everything. Yeah, you know,

1654
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 4: he had a whole complete Legends collection, which I.

1655
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: Remember, I won't look up to see how much that's worth.

1656
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: But I would never I would never sell that. But still, yeah, yeah,

1657
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,919
Speaker 1: I mean it taught me a lot of lessons about uh,

1658
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: you know stuff. We have so much stuff in our lives,

1659
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, And it made me try and be as

1660
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: conscious as possible moving forward, because not many people get

1661
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity like that to kind of get a clean slate.

1662
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, how old was I thirty one?

1663
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 1: I think or something and was.

1664
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a way to reframe it. That

1665
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 2: what an opportunity to start with a clean slate. I mean,

1666
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 2: you know, that's a healthy perspective instead of you know

1667
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 2: what most of us would probably think, which is why

1668
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: did my life get ruined at thirty one?

1669
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, I mean, yeah,

1670
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: luckily I had an amazing support system some of the

1671
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: people right here, you know, so I can imagine not

1672
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: not having that. But I remember at the time too,

1673
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: like actually Shiloh's reaction was was too good in the

1674
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,600
Speaker 1: sense that he he was like, I shouldn't care about this,

1675
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be emotionally affected because it's just stuff. It's

1676
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: just stuff, and it doesn't matter, and I don't care

1677
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: about things. And I was like, yeah, you don't care

1678
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 1: about things, but allow this to be a sad tragedy.

1679
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: And like I remember just crying with him and like

1680
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: having to be like, it's okay to feel bad about

1681
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: losing your stuff. It is just stuff, but it's still

1682
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: an emotion. It's still awful, still a loss, yeah, still loss,

1683
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: Like you where you're at now? Sounds you're absolutely right,

1684
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 1: But you were already there right away. You're like, I

1685
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: shouldn't be upset about this. I was like, it's okay

1686
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: to be upset. Yeah, I remember we had the time.

1687
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: I mean I remember coming back that night and we

1688
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: went to Cat in the Fiddle and if you remember

1689
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: that ryder but sitting there and I just remember being

1690
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: I was so wrecked, you know, but I was just

1691
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 1: in shock. You know. It's not every day you walk

1692
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: up to your house and it's just literally, you know,

1693
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: six inches of ash and you're just like, Okay, what what's.

1694
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 3: The meaning of this?

1695
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I never really get into that.

1696
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 4: But it's also unless you've seen a California wildfire, any

1697
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 4: kind of wildfire, what they can do. People can kind

1698
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 4: of they think of like a burnt out house or

1699
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 4: there was a fire in a kitchen something like that.

1700
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 4: Every single thing was gone. There weren't pillars in the house.

1701
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 4: I mean, it was gone. So you left a house

1702
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 4: and you came back to an ash covered field. I mean,

1703
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 4: it's really amazing to because you hear, oh, there was

1704
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 4: a fire in the house, and sometimes you don't get

1705
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 4: the visual of like nothing level right, right, Yeah, yeah,

1706
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 4: crazy crazy Yeah.

1707
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Shiloh, we have so enjoyed having you here

1708
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 2: with us today. Your name has come up obviously, of course,

1709
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 2: so often since we've been doing the podcast. We appreciate

1710
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 2: you allowing us to talk about your life and share

1711
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: your stories, you know, through all of our experiences, but

1712
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 2: especially through writers. You're obviously such an important part of

1713
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: Writer's life and childhood, so he wouldn't be who he

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01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: is without you as well, and vice versa. So thank

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 2: you for sharing your time with us, and we'd love

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 2: to have you back anytime. But we're so appreciative you

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01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 2: came here with us today.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you guys. This has been so great. I

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01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: love seeing you guys, so yeah, and I love what

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. So I got to catch up

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01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: on some more.

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01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah you've got like maybe one hundred episodes or so.

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01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: No, thank you guys so much. This is this has

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01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: been great.

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01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 2: Also, maybe you can come back and let us know

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01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 2: how your dinner with Hillary goes.

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01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 3: Whenever you've seen her.

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01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys could come back and just you know,

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01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 2: let us know how that goes.

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01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 3: Great to see you, Shiloh, you.

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01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 1: Too, Okay, bye, dude, I of you two of you.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, jeez, how was that? Writer great?

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's so funny because I feel like

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01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 1: we didn't even cover like our twenties. You know, we

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01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: only come out of adolescence. It's like so much more.

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01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, he's my brother. I love him.

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 1: It's so great to talk to him. But it's it

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01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: is funny because, like he we don't actually talk about

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01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: this period of our life that much like our adolescence.

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's sort of just understood. So

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 1: it's cool to hear his perspective.

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01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you know, you talk about the twenties

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01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: and stuff. It's like, of course we're you know, so

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01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,799
Speaker 2: much of our show is talking about our teen years

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01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: and all that time we spent together. Yeah, I mean,

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01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 2: it's it is. I've never I mean I think about

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 2: it every now and then when I think about things.

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01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: Writer and I both tend to be very open book

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01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: like anything. We're just ready to talk about whatever it

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01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 2: is that has gone on in our lives. I never

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01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 2: really think about how so much of sharing your childhood

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01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: is also sharing childhows and so have you.

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,560
Speaker 3: Guys talked about that at all since we've started the podcast.

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, Like he's listened to some episodes

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01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 1: and and brought them up, and we've had like some

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: good and really intense conversations actually like good ones, you know.

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01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: But like reflecting on I think, like what we talked

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01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about here, reflecting on our parents' experience

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 1: has just been mind blowing because I don't think I

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01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: had really done that until right around this, doing this podcast,

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: and like thinking about my poor mom driving around with

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: the Thomas Gootide and like how many times you'd get lost,

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01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: how many times you'd be late for auditions? How many

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01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, and and it's like, oh my god, yeah,

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01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: that must have been so much work because not only

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01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: were you doing it for one kid, you were doing

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01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: it for two, and we were both so committed and

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Speaker 1: into it, and she supported they both my both my

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01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 1: parents supported both of us, and like, it's just a

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Speaker 1: it's such a it's so impressive to me, you know,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that you know, we survived and and

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01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: enjoyed it and have positive memories about it is pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 4: Well, it also just shows you how self centered everybody

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01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,320
Speaker 4: is when they're children, because but it mirrors what we're

1776
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 4: watching on the show where we all of us took

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01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 4: us the Betsy even Bill for granted, and we're like,

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01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 4: we talk about that every week.

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01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 1: Man, we took them for granted. And then there's times

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01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 1: we're at dinner where we're like, we really took our

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01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: parents and everything they were going through for you know,

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01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: it's that same thing where it's just your kid, your

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01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: life is all about you and you're the center of

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01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 1: your world, which is exactly what Boy Meets World is about.

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Speaker 4: And then and even as adults now you're looking back

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01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 4: and just going, wow, we took all this for granted,

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01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 4: and the adults for granted, and our parents for granted.

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01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just that's one of the things.

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Speaker 4: Not to bring it back to the show, but I

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01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,719
Speaker 4: think one of the things that makes our show last

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01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 4: as long as it has is it is a completely

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01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 4: different show when you're watching it as an adult, right,

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01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 4: So you know what's.

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01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: Funny about I was thinking about how because Danielle uh At,

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01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: when whenever we do interviews, her last question tends to

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01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 1: be if you could go back and tell young you're

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01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: so and what the number one answer is, just enjoy it,

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01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Just have fun. It's not look around with the parents

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01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: and be more responsible. No, it's like, actually, like you

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01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 1: just got to be a kid, you know, even if

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01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: you are perfessional, working child actor or whatever, it is

1802
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: more the most important thing is to just be sure

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01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: that you're aware of how fun it is and like

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01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: how lucky you are. You know.

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01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 4: Well, they say youth is wasted on the young, and

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01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 4: it's the part of that is true.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well, thank you all for joining us for

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Speaker 2: this episode of Podmeets World. As always, you can follow

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Speaker 4: Pod Meets World is nheart podcast produced and hosted by

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Speaker 4: Danielle Fischel, Wilfredell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers, Jensen Karp

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Speaker 4: and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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