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Speaker 1: one is amazing. Part two is even better. So, but

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Speaker 1: M you started getting going with transfers. Um, what what

428
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: do you remember about about that? Those Gonzaga teams. My

429
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: first my first day there, they had a recruit in

430
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: he was gonna walk on, but he was you. But

431
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: they were really high on him recruiting. And Uh, his

432
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 1: name was Jamie Dudley, and Jamie Dudley was a point guard. Uh,

433
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 1: the same high school, Steve Kurr, Pacific Palisades, and they're

434
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 1: tout him as the next step cur And so I

435
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: was really excited, you know, to meet this kid and everything.

436
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: And uh, he comes with his dad. His dad was

437
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: a doctor, knew nothing about basketball, and they're they're walking

438
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: across the old Martin Center and I go over to

439
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: meet him, and his dad first of all, takes his

440
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: shoes off because he was so didn't realize that. You know,

441
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: that's that's like nineteen sixties when you couldn't wear you know,

442
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 1: dress shoes on yeah. Yeah. So he takes his shoes

443
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: off and I look over and I'm thinking, well, he's

444
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: out of his little brother. He must be in a

445
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: bathroom or something, because this kid, duds is he's not

446
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: five nine. I mean he we listened him at five night.

447
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: He's five eight, five seven whatever. But back even then,

448
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: he was he had to be a hundred and thirty

449
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 1: pounds hundred, you know, I mean, he was just it was.

450
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my, and I'm coming from U

451
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: A B. Where we had some dudes. Now we had

452
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: some players and uh, I mean U A B was

453
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: sweet sixteen team, uh you know, and and uh you know,

454
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: been to the uh n C A for seven eighth

455
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: three years and stuff. So uh that was my first

456
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: memory of And I'm like, wow, this is the kind

457
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: of guys were recruiting here. And and James Jamie is

458
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: a friend of mine now and you know he's gonna

459
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: kill me when he hears this, but but he could.

460
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: I gotta so I gotta say he end up being

461
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 1: a starter, a really good player there. And I was

462
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: totally wrong by judging by the book by his cover,

463
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: but uh, it was a whole different you know. The

464
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 1: Kennel was, you know, first game, there were maybe five

465
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: hundred people there, and my four grandparents were sitting there

466
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,239
Speaker 1: out in a section by themselves. You know, they were

467
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: the only ones with reserve seats. Everybody else would Why

468
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: would you pay when you could get a general mission

469
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: ticket for you know, half the price and not have

470
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: to sit behind the bench. So uh, it was, you know.

471
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: And Mark said when they went to the final four,

472
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: the whole thing was built brick by brick and the

473
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: right way. But it was a slow, slow process. And

474
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: it started really with a foundation and and uh and

475
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: and a brick at the bottom of the of the

476
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: totem pole. Fits would take us out. He would drink

477
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: red wine and we would sit there, you know, as

478
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: single guys, just looking at the clock. How long are

479
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: we gonna be here? Nights? You know, night after night.

480
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: And he would tell us every time, you know, he

481
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: had he had a lot of the same old stories,

482
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: but one of us he's tried and true ones was

483
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: this is the worst job in the WCC. And he

484
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: had all these facts and and they were all true,

485
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, he said, he said, we have the worst weather.

486
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have the weather. San Diego or

487
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,239
Speaker 1: any l A or San Francisco or Portland's. You know,

488
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: we have the least amount of players in our area,

489
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: which which is true, you know, I mean the Bay

490
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: or or Portland or any of that. You know, we

491
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: have the worst facility besides uh um uh you know,

492
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: and we'd of the road besides St. Mary's, and we're

493
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: the most remote for recruits to get to so and

494
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: their families. So he had a lot of really good

495
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: points of why it was where it was and uh

496
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: and the only one not really listening to that was Mark.

497
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 1: I mean every time he you know, that's what makes

498
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: Mark who he is and where Gonzeg is now, because

499
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: you know, every time you hear something like that, it

500
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: would just uh, you know, you could just you could

501
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: just see I actually see his the skin turn on

502
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: him and the look on his face was just like,

503
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not I'm not listening to this. Your

504
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: your first good year when you were there really was

505
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: because you went first year there, you guys were terrible

506
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: first season like one like nine or like nine games, uh,

507
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: and then um, the team with Jeff Brown and Jared Davis.

508
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: You end up finishing fourth in WCC, but you win

509
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: twenty games, um the next and the next year you

510
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: win nineteen but ten and four in the league. What

511
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: what what first? How did Fits coach? Like? What was

512
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: his style? What was what was unique about him as

513
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: a coach? He was super negative. It's just super old school.

514
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: You know. We have some great I mean, we could,

515
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: we could do a whole podcast on Fit stories if

516
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: you got Mark and Billy and I. I'm down for

517
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: that one. Mark won't do it because he's like, you know, uh,

518
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: they the Godfather, we can't do it. Yeah, yeah, exactly

519
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: have to have the Godfather. But but Fits Fits what's

520
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: probably the guy because we we always say we probably

521
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: learned more not to do than to do. But we

522
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: learned a lot of valuable lessons from Fits. But the

523
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: best negativity one was one time we lost the jump

524
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: ball and he just stopped his feet and Mark and

525
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: I just both because we're on each side of him.

526
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: You know, I thought we were gonna lose loser. I

527
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna lose my right foot, and he

528
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna lose his left foot, and he

529
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: just just stood up and just stared us both down

530
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: into the ball game because we lost to jump ball

531
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: there's thirty nine minutes and fifty eight seconds left and

532
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: ball game. My the way I can relate to that

533
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: is so fam McCaffrey recruited me, said to Notre Dame,

534
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: and uh, Digger wasn't there. But Digger was still around

535
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: and he was broadcasting at the time, but he was

536
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: always in the training room that he always had an

537
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: opinion on everything, and I mean he was an entertaining guy. So, um,

538
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: I go over to Franny's house one time after practice. He's,

539
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, like I was really bad. You know, like,

540
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, freshman come in, they think they're gonna be

541
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: really good. I was so bad practice. I was just

542
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: in a bad place. So I said, what was Yeah,

543
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: said what was di? You're like, and he's sick. He's like, Okay,

544
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you my best Digger. This is my my

545
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: least favorite favorite Digger story. I'll go. He said, you know,

546
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: he fucking hated Indiana and Bob Knight and hated him

547
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: and he wanted, so, whoever got that scout you better

548
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: have everything to do. He's like, the problem with Indiana

549
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: is not really much the Scout, right, They don't do anything.

550
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: They run that little triangle they run two different types

551
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: of motion. They have one in bounced play, and then

552
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: you just kind of got to study their personnel and

553
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: like there's no plays, they just run motion. And but

554
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: he wants to know everything they do, when they did,

555
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: why they did it, and everything. So I think he

556
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: lost like seventeen pounds. It's like every night I'm watching.

557
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: I watched literally every Indiana game. It was like the

558
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: third game of the year, you know, every Indiana game

559
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: for the last two years. And this is you know,

560
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Poyet synergy and like you're watching legit tape or lining

561
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, and uh, second player the game and ball

562
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: goes out of bounds underneath their own basket, and they

563
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: always run one kind of in bounced plates. I actually

564
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: the same one do Gran forever, which is you know,

565
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: basically had four guys along the baseline and you just

566
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: kind of circle. The guy in the strong side corner

567
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: goes to the weak side corner of the guy in

568
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the week side corner comes off the staggering the strong

569
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: side corner. That's all they run. That's it, that's it,

570
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: that's it. You know, maybe sometimes the bigs will scream

571
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: for each other. Is like, but we're prepared for it

572
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: for a week and they line up in a completely

573
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: different set and he's like, here, I am like, my

574
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: suit doesn't fit me. It's hanging off me and look

575
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm going to chemo, Like I really look

576
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: bad because all I put all of my energy in

577
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: the preseason into this Indiana scout ry. What the fuck

578
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: is that? And he's like, you know, like I'm here,

579
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm run the practice, you know, the different side, you know,

580
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: but same kind of thing. Like it's it is interesting,

581
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you know Judd, at least outwardly,

582
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know what he was like as a coach,

583
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: but outwardly he's what he was one of the funniest

584
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: human beings I've ever met, dirty es l but the

585
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: funniest human beings I have ever met. But so many

586
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: of those older coaches, and I find myself coaching kids

587
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: like struggling with the because I was raised in the

588
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: household of whether it's like negativity right where it's just

589
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: somebody makes a mistakes, you just jump them. And it's

590
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting that that that's how it that's that's how

591
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: the game was taught then, and it is not it

592
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: has evolved in many ways to not be taught in

593
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: nearly the same fashion. Yeah yeah, and you know, but

594
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: fits us. You know, like those guys that he was

595
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: a good coach, I mean he he knew you know,

596
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I mean the exs and ohs and and we learned

597
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: a lot from him, um and a lot like like

598
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: we're saying a lot of things we wouldn't because he

599
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: was super hard on us. And like I don't think

600
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: to this day we we we had packed if we

601
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: ever get to be a head coach, will never have

602
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: a meeting the night of a game. After a game.

603
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: It's just too emotional because we would call it a

604
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: paper route because you know, he would run a jump ball.

605
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the jump ball was a big deal to him.

606
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: You know, you had to prepare and you had to win,

607
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, and you had to know where they were

608
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: tipping it and everything. And he would run to jump

609
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: ball back ten times. And we're like, this is gonna

610
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: be a paper route, you know, because we're gonna go

611
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: home and the paper is gonna be sitting right there,

612
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see the paper boy, you know, going

613
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: around the neighborhood because it's gonna be five in the

614
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: morning before we get out of here, you know. So

615
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: uh but but uh, you know those guys just uh

616
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: and and jud and my dad were and fits were

617
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot. They had a lot of similarities just how

618
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: they coach. Like I said, you know, left hand laians

619
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: and and uh jump stops and and uh you know

620
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the game the game now and and kids just don't

621
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: respond to the negativity or to do that kind of

622
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: coaching style anymore. So we've all evolved and and we're

623
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: all better for it. I think, you know, in the

624
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: longer run, did did it went? So? In ninety four

625
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: you guys won the league? Hmm? Won the league? Yeah? Was,

626
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: but it did. It didn't become a thing. Za I

627
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: didn't because because he didn't make a tournament, Like, why

628
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: wasn't it? It didn't because it didn't hit until you

629
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: became you became the head coach. Why wasn't Well, I

630
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: wasn't good zagamore on the map at that point? Well,

631
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I think it was. It was still still evolving, you know.

632
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: And and the fact that uh that that that group

633
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: that you said, you know that won the league the

634
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: first year. Those guys were I think the first recruiting

635
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: class we had as assistants. Lisa I was there. Mark

636
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: might have came next year. And that group, that group

637
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: changed Gonzaga's mind, said it had changed the culture a lot.

638
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: We read shirted five guys and and halfway through the

639
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: year we quit scrimmage in them because they were just annihilate,

640
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, confidence wise, they just were so much better

641
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: than the guys that we were put on. Four. I

642
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: think that was a year he said we won nine games.

643
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: And it fits his credit, you know, he bit the

644
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: bullet that year because all of them didn't need a

645
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: red shirt. You know, some of them could have played.

646
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Brown obviously couldn't because he was a transfer from

647
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Washington at the time. But we had Matt stan for

648
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I think Dudley might have been part of that. Um Uh, Jeff,

649
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Jared Davis was part of that. Matt Stanford who all

650
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: want we're part of that team that won the championship.

651
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: Then Marty Wall was the center of that of that

652
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: scout team and so you know it. Uh. The thing

653
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: about that program that is always the culture of it's

654
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: always been is like even my team in that that

655
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: went to the lead. Eight on that team, it had

656
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: I think three or four guys that had at least

657
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: paid one year of their college and it had about

658
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: five or six guys that UM that had red shirted,

659
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: and uh, you know that that's kind of always been

660
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: a staple Gonzaga is you wait your turn, you know,

661
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: you develop um uh you know, you get stronger. You know,

662
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: you come in with a chip on your shoulder. You're

663
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: not the player you want to be that you know

664
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: you can be, and we're gonna We're gonna develop you

665
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: and get you. We're gonna get you there in a

666
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: year or two. And uh, you know that that was

667
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: the start of that kind of culture and those that

668
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: those five guys sitting out and uh we we we

669
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: didn't win the league and then we didn't sustain it

670
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and u UM ended up. I think it took a

671
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: couple more years, you know, but we were we were

672
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: never you know, we were always on the cost. We

673
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: were we were a different program after we won that

674
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: league in two thousand and what would you say it was, yeah,

675
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: ninety four. Yeah, that's a lot of years ago. I

676
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: can't remember all of them. I know there's a lot,

677
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of a lot of blood

678
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: postgame meetans that you said, you wouldn't have that. You

679
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: actually never happened unless unless we're in the next day. Well,

680
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: I mean a postgame meeting had drinking a beer. Is

681
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: it really any any different? Right? Is it? Is? It?

682
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 1: Is it related? What happened is this last year? Because

683
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: when when bad at the end? Right? I mean you guys,

684
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: what what what happened at the at the end? No?

685
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: It went, Uh, we went he had a decent year.

686
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: I think I forget what his record was. Um, but

687
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: they about three years before he retired. Um Uh, the

688
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: University of Eastern Washington opened up and uh. John Johnson,

689
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: the a d there, talked to both my dad and I.

690
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: First my dad and my Dad's like, hey, I'm retired,

691
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in So then he offered me the job.

692
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: And I went into fits and I said, Hey, I

693
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go to Eastern. I think I'm ready

694
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: to be a head coach. He says, I know you're ready,

695
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: But he goes, you don't. You don't want to do that.

696
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: He goes, you can't win there, they don't have the resources.

697
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: He goes, You're you're crazy. You know you don't just

698
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: go would be a head coach to be a head

699
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: coach and I said, well, I don't know. I think.

700
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: He said, well, let's think. Let's talk about it tomorrow.

701
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, let's take a night. So I called the

702
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: Eastern said I need a couple of days. And so

703
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: he comes back the next day and he said, okay,

704
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: what if I coached five more years? And father Coglan says,

705
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, we can promise you that the job. And

706
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: I said, you know, five years. You know at that

707
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: your young and twenty. I don't know what I was then,

708
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: I was, I guess thirty thirty, five thirty. I'm like,

709
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: I I can't wait, you know, I mean this five

710
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: more years, this is hard living, you know. So I said,

711
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: I don't think. So I think I'm gonna do it.

712
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: He comes back the next day, since I talked to Darlene,

713
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: how about if I coach this year and next year? Uh?

714
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: And we promised you and I said, yeah, that'd be

715
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: you know. So I was a coach and waiting for

716
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: and I go out. We go out and recruit the

717
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: one that that year before my first, and he didn't

718
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: go out at all. We got crucified recruiting wise, and

719
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: the fact that everybody was well how are you gonna

720
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: go with this young staff? None of them ever been

721
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: a head coach and you know all that, and and

722
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: yet it became a blessing because the Casey Calvaries of

723
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: the world that said, screw it, this is who I

724
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: want to play for and I'm gonna show you guys

725
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: that this is gonna You know that that was our

726
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, Santangelo was already already on board. But you know, uh,

727
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: I think Richie and Matt were those first two guys

728
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 1: that really believed in us. Um. Okay, see it, see

729
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: you take over? And yeah, Paccardi Hendricks, right, how did

730
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: you get How did you get Paccari? Uh bcry. I

731
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: saw Bacari that the year before in Vegas at one

732
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: of those j C you know, offshoot should go to

733
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: Vegas and there's a million high school, but there was

734
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: one j C tournament and uh, I really liked his game,

735
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: and I remember I never forget calling him and and

736
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: uh and you know, saying hey, you know, um, we're

737
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: gonna recruit your next year and everything. You know, I

738
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: really liked what you saw. We're gonna need a big man.

739
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be my You know, I'm gonna

740
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: be the coach in a year or so, and and

741
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, really love to have you, because he was

742
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: he had another year of junior college left. And so

743
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: at the end of the phone call, I said, now,

744
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: if you if we're gonna do this, you know, if

745
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna recruit, you gotta have good grades. You know,

746
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 1: give him the academics. Bill Gonzega is a good school,

747
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: and we've got to make sure that you keep your

748
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: grades up. And he goes, he was, oh, I'm a

749
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: good student, which every every j C guys gonna tell

750
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: you I'm a good student. And I said, I said,

751
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean by a good student? He goes, well,

752
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm a predictor. I I could you know I predicted

753
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: out of high school. I said, you mean you're eligible

754
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: right now? I said, he said yeah. I said, well

755
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: does your j C coach and a that. He goes, yeah,

756
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: he just didn't tell anybody or something like that. And

757
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: I said, well, we got a scholarship, now would you

758
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: be interested in coming now? And so, um, I think

759
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of quote unquote stole him because

760
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 1: nobody really knew that he had three years and could

761
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: back then. You know that there was that wasn't a

762
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: very normal path for kids to get the Division one.

763
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, and he was, uh, you know, he

764
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: was a man out of I forget what junior college

765
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: out of out of northern California, but uh he came

766
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: up and I remember, um, he committed to me, and

767
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: then uh, renigged and went to on a visit to

768
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: New Orleans and came back and and I was going

769
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: to go there and and I just said, hey, you

770
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: you are you tell me you're a man in your word,

771
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: and you're shamed him into coming to Gonzaga because I

772
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: think New Orleans was, you know, a better place, and

773
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: we were at that time, you know, that was the

774
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: kind of got people were recruiting against. Okay, So Santangel Now,

775
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: for the record, I think Santames look gets lost in

776
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: all the discussions about the great Gonzaga cards because I

777
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: remember in your first year flipping on ESPN late at

778
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: night and watching w c C games and be like, Yo,

779
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: this dude can go. And we used to watch this

780
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: kind of late night game. How did tell him about

781
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: his recruitment? Well that was all Mark. You know, Mark

782
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: had a vendetta against Fits. Fits was as far as

783
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: recruiting goes because fits would uh get pissed if if

784
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: we're recruiting anybody to pack back, then it's a Pac ten.

785
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: Pat Ken was recruiting um because hey, you're we waste

786
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: the school's money. You know you you guys are stupid.

787
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: You know you You're not ever gonna beat you know

788
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, those kids are gonna

789
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: just string you along, string along. But at the end

790
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: of the day, they're gonna go to a Pac ten school.

791
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: So just despite because they just go head to head

792
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: on so many things. Just to spite him, Mark would

793
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: only recruit guys that had a Pack twelve school on

794
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: their list and so um. So Santangelo was um. His

795
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: three schools that he visited was was Stanford, Rice and Gonzaga.

796
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: And if that shows you that and back then, I

797
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: mean those those two schools were academically and athletically had

798
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was a no brainer for

799
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: a kid, you know. And and the thing that Mark

800
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: has that quality that that you know and that people

801
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: that know him though his ability to to make people

802
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: believe something that I mean, he can go off on

803
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, climate control and whatever he wants and

804
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: make you whatever side you're on and convince you the

805
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: other way, you know, I mean, he I just I

806
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: heard him for hours because Mark and I and Bill

807
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: now we lived together for eight years. Mark and Marcy

808
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: lived with me the first year they're married. You know,

809
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: they got enough to get their own house. So you know,

810
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: I listen to every recruiting call, and even I was

811
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: I was kind of on fits the side. I'm like,

812
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: this kid's going to Stanford. Okay, he is not coming here,

813
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, and Marco would give him the oh you

814
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: think Stanford he goes. Really, so what you're telling me

815
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: is is you're not you know, you don't like basketball.

816
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: You're you're not a basketball player because and they were,

817
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: like they were like top ten in the country basketball wife,

818
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: he said, because you're not gonna you're not gonna play there.

819
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 1: They got this guy, they got this guy, they got

820
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: this guy. So you're gonna go for the education and

821
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: mL cart and wave a towel in the end of

822
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: the bench because you know, um, they've already got two

823
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: or three point guards and so you don't really you

824
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: don't really care about your career, and he would just

825
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: and you have the ability to do it. And say

826
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: it in a way where he would challenge the kid

827
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: but not piss him off, which you know is a

828
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: is an art form. And uh and uh, you know,

829
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I remember there weren't a lot of games on, but

830
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: I turned on one and right he was on a

831
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Rice visit and Rice upsets I. I don't you know, uh,

832
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: not Texas but Texas Tech or somebody at home. And

833
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: and he's out in the middle and they got him

834
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: in on the on the field tearing down the goal

835
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: posts and he's on a you can see him on there,

836
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: and We're like, oh, we're not getting this kid. There's

837
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: no way even if Stanford doesn't well Stanford, you know,

838
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: as I'm down at Long Beach now, Glenn McDonald's in

839
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame here and it was an NBA

840
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: player and his son, Michael McDonald ends up going from

841
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: uh going to Stanford. Yeah, yeah, and Michael McDonald. Stanford

842
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: takes Michael McDonald and uh, and so they don't end

843
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: up going on Matt and uh and Mark just dug

844
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: it out through the with Rice and uh and convinced him,

845
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: did he And one thing he convinced him too, is

846
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: that he could read shirt at Gonzaga because Matt was uh,

847
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't deadly size. He was six one

848
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: or six to maybe uh maybe not maybe six ft

849
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: but he's super athletic. But he was a hundred fifty pounds.

850
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: And he came in and read shirted of his first year.

851
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Um and uh, you know, and and and and then

852
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: played for Fits a year and then and then played

853
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: a year for me and two for Mark and and

854
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: as you and you're right on. I mean he was

855
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: the um he and he in Quentin Hall. And you

856
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: know the great thing about those teams is they had

857
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: two point guards on it, and they could they played

858
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: off each other. And I've always said, you know, two

859
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: point guards, and I think I heard you say that

860
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: on TV the other day, that, uh, two point guards

861
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: is really a dangerous way to play because you know,

862
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: you're so versatile, you can't knock down stuff and and

863
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: they I think, I think and and I think that

864
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: one of the things is that we we underrate or

865
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: we don't understand viewers, especially dunerstand and basketball people understand

866
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: is Um, even guys like me and Quinn Hall couldn't

867
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: shoot right. The fact is that the more the more

868
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: guards you have the fewer turnovers you're gonna have, and

869
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: some guards turn it overlap okay, but by large more guards.

870
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: We know the weakness to it rebounding obviously interior defense,

871
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: but you're gonna turn over us and you're also, I believe,

872
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: always going to shoot a higher percentage because it's not

873
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: just that they pass more, they passed better create, they

874
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: create for others more to right. So so you had

875
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: that and then you had Okay, so what about Richie?

876
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: Because Richie became after his career, the best player right

877
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: played some in the NBA. Richie was. I played with

878
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: him at the Portsmith. He was unbelievable shooter and he

879
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: could move and catch with great balance. He was a

880
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: very good player. Um, how did you get Richie? Um?

881
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: Richie was a battleground Washington, you know, just Um, he

882
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of recruitment. He was and and

883
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: again it's it was kind of the Gonzega mold of

884
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: getting guys, you know, under the radar, and that he

885
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: wasn't very developed. I mean Richie in the NBA and

886
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: and even in his last few years of Gonzega, I

887
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: mean he had a great basketball body. I mean he

888
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: was six six and chiseled and and but he didn't

889
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: come that way. I mean he was he was six

890
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: four or five and and gangly and and and and

891
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: weak and uh and all he all he had really

892
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: was a jump shot coming out of out of high school.

893
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: Uh and it couldn't really put it on the floor

894
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: at all. And uh just a just kind of a

895
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: catchy shoot guy. But but we really valued shooting the

896
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: ball at Gonzega and uh he was just us in

897
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Portland where his his uh last two schools, and uh

898
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: we were starting to have a little bit more success

899
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: then and uh, um, you know, and he was he

900
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: was a real key because uh because that area, you know,

901
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: his familiarity. Then then he kind of brought Zach gord

902
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: and and uh and Dan dick Ow. Uh we're like

903
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: from that same fifteen mile radius that knew each other.

904
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 1: And so he ended up being a one for three

905
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: package down the road a year two later. Okay, um

906
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: and an Axcel bench. I remember I played someone with

907
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Axcel Dench. He's a great personality. But and and that

908
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: was before Austine's were kind of the thing really, I

909
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: think in the WCC, right before St. Mary's went and

910
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: started getting all these Austs. Yeah, well that came from

911
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: uh my dad when he got when he got h done,

912
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: it was Oregon. I think that was eight two. Um

913
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: uh he went one year uh professionally and he was

914
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: a coach of the Adelaide thirty sixers over in Adelaide,

915
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Australia and uh by the way, absolutely um uh and

916
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: uh So I went over and visiting him. Uh And

917
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: I was assistant at Gonzaga and he had a young

918
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: like sixteen year old like six ten seven he ended

919
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: up being seven foot but six ten really skilled kid

920
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: and Paul Rodgers on his developmental team and uh so,

921
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: uh I was able to quote unquote you know, get

922
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: a relationship going with him and uh and and met

923
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: a couple of people over there, and I met Melbourne,

924
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: they played Melbourne, I met the GM, got his number

925
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: and that kind of thing. So and we had John

926
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: really but John really we didn't get through any pipeline.

927
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: John really came over on his own. Now he's assistant

928
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: at Santa Barbara and and he was he was a great.

929
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: He was a guy that got the Zags to the

930
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: very first n c A tournament. I remember he said

931
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: a WCC record for and I remember one of the

932
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: time outs, I was just an assistant for fits and

933
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: and I remember telling the guy's, guys, if you'll just

934
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: get out of the way, John's gonna to toe the

935
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: n c A tournament. I mean he he said, I

936
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: think he had thirteen threes in the tournament and seven

937
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: in the championship game or something crazy. Um. But uh,

938
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: he came over on his own and just went to

939
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: Tacoma Community College. And and uh, John has a great

940
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: story about that, you know. Uh, Mark and I go

941
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: over to watch him, and he wasn't Marks kind of player.

942
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: Mark originally was. Again he was into these pack twelve

943
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: athletes that that you know could go. John. We went

944
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: over and watch them, and it was a one on

945
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: zero workout and uh and uh, um he he shot

946
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: the mess out of the ball. I mean, John could

947
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: just I mean without anybody out there. And that The

948
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: amazing thing with him is is he you could face

949
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: guard him for twenty minutes, but if you let him

950
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: go after the twenty first minute and lost him, I mean,

951
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't didn't matter if he hadn't touched the ball

952
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: in twenty minutes, it was going in. He could really shoot,

953
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: but at the end of that workout after you know,

954
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: as John will tell the story, he thought he really

955
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: impressed us. Mark said to him, John, can you show

956
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: us your best? Don't It's like, oh my god, I'm

957
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: not that's what they're looking for. I'm the wrong guy.

958
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, so we did have a little bit

959
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: of pipeline. But for my dad going over there for

960
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: a year and I got a couple of connections and so,

961
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: um actual actual was one though. I just took a

962
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: flyer on as far as I hadn't seen him play,

963
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: and fits is like, hey, you know, if you trust

964
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: these people, and you know, they told me he was

965
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: six ten and and you know usually when you go

966
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: to meet him on to get him off the plane,

967
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: they're usually six five, you know. And but he was

968
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: everything they built him up to be, you know, a

969
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: very skilled big man. And uh, you know it was

970
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: an intercol cog in that in that Gonzega run. You know,

971
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting. And so your first year, you guys win

972
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: the league. Then you lost in the conference tournament finals, right,

973
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: So you went to the n I T and you

974
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: played two games in it. Um did that? I mean,

975
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: I again, I don't know at the time. Was that

976
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: part of the mentality that changed the next year was

977
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: that you guys just got better and that's why you

978
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: made the run the next year. How did that or

979
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: did you learn as a coach, because that's also your

980
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: first year as a coach. Um went from that first

981
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: year helped you with that second That was just the

982
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: culture of the program. Then you know those like I said,

983
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: we had a lot of guys that that had walked

984
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: on that didn't feel like that they had you know

985
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: UH or should thought that they should have been UH

986
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: players at the pack twelve level or had red shirted.

987
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: And we were a better team in in in night.

988
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: It was an actual better team than the team that

989
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: went to the Lead eight. It had all the same guys,

990
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: only pccardi Hendricks was player of the Year in the

991
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: league and he was just a stud you know, so

992
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: well we we had everybody coming back at ninety nine,

993
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: but we lost him, and but the chip on their

994
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: shoulder and the the you know, expectations after winning the

995
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: league the year before, and and if they would have

996
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: had the net or the you know, all the the

997
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: um UH technologies and you know, it was it was

998
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: r P I was that was a year before the

999
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: r P. If they would have had any of that,

1000
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: that team would have went to the n c A Tournament.

1001
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: I mean we had, we had, you know, a lot

1002
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: of quality, you know, power five wins, but they just

1003
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: weren't taking teams then that they didn't have to take.

1004
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: And we not only we only not only got snubbed

1005
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: by the n c A, but but the n I

1006
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: T takes us and for a party party gift, they

1007
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: sent us to learn me Wyoming, who only lost was

1008
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: tom Jaris and Utah that year at home to Altitude,

1009
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: just to get rid of us. You know, we go there,

1010
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: we win, uh and and and so we're you know,

1011
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: kind of exciting the locker room. We're proven that we

1012
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: should have been to the n c A tournament. And

1013
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: the director goes, congratulations, this is like a Tuesday Thursday,

1014
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: you're playing in in Hawaii. So we got to get

1015
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: from Learning Wyoming to Hawaii in like twenty four hours

1016
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: and uh and it ended up losing there, and so

1017
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: the guy has really felt you know, uh, from that

1018
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: we were capable of that, and I think that was

1019
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: the key to that team and the key to the

1020
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: culture of Gonzaga as they they've been proved trying to

1021
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: prove everything. You know, everybody always doubts them, doesn't think

1022
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: that they're the team they should be, or you know

1023
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: that they're getting you know, uh, you know, they're this

1024
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: little Cinderella that that you know, it was a fun story,

1025
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,280
Speaker 1: but they're not really as good as people are saying.

1026
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: And and that that that mindset and culture is can

1027
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: continue for twenty years um. The next year. Obviously, it

1028
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: wasn't just that you went to the tournament, right, It

1029
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: was you guys thumped everybody in the WCC tournam right,

1030
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: like kick the crap out of Portland. You beat same

1031
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: Area's by thirteen, and then you beat Santa Clara by

1032
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: like thirty in the in the championship. It was like,

1033
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: these are no doubters in Santa Cla and Santa Clara.

1034
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: How so I was worried about that because you know,

1035
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: we'd already beat him twice pretty good in a regular season.

1036
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 1: Now you gotta go to their place, you know. And

1037
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: that was that was all Matt sin TAngelo. I mean,

1038
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: he he had thirty some and he just again he

1039
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: had he had heard the noise enough and and as

1040
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: you said, he was really underrated and getting this whole

1041
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: thing started. Okay, so you go to take on, ironically

1042
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota in the n c A Tournament and now you're

1043
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: kind of cute, little fuzzy, little little good zaga. Um,

1044
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 1: how did you feel, because you had played some high

1045
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: majors in both the past, in both those two years,

1046
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: how did you feel about that team getting good ready

1047
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: to turn good good? I mean we felt we felt

1048
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: like it was a good draw. I mean, you know,

1049
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: they gave us a lot of respect. I think we

1050
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: were a twelve seed, you know, and that was pretty

1051
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: high for uh, you know, for a mid major school

1052
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: back then, you know, and um, and you know, we

1053
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: felt Minnesota. We looked at him and they had you know,

1054
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: the Lewis and Clark show, know to really you know,

1055
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: uh uh Lewis, I know it was an NBA player

1056
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: for a long time, and uh you know, but um,

1057
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: uh we get the pregame meal and there's this big

1058
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: uh uh scuttle or you know, they didn't really have

1059
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: the internet back then, so we didn't really but but

1060
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: there was a breaking story out of Minneapolis that they

1061
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: had this academic scandal and that some of their guys

1062
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: were gonna sit and we didn't know who. We had

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Speaker 1: practiced all week kind of triangling two and a lot

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00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: of different different looks, you know. Um, we had Quentin Hall,

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00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, on on Lewis. I remember that because Louis

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00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: was like six seven and and and we ended up

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00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: going to a boxing one because Clark did not play.

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00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: He was one of the guys they sat. But I

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00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: remember telling our guys, look, they're still gonna take out

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Speaker 1: five big ten players. None of you guys are big

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00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: ten players. You all know that you all got snubbed there.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we we we just got to worry

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00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: about ourselves and that team had a great ability to

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00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: do that. And uh and there was a picture of

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00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: of Quentin, you know, just trying to guard this sixt

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00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: seven guy who who never scored on him. I don't think,

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Speaker 1: you know. And uh and uh you know, we you know,

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: won the game, but the guys weren't that excited. It

1079
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: was like they had you know, we're kind of in

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00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: a in a bubble, you know, they felt like they

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00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: belonged there and and and really played like it. Um

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00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: triangle too is interesting because you used it. I've seen

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00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: self use it, employ used it. I saw a good

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: amount when I was in college, A good shoot, solid

1085
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: me and I was not one of the two. Um,

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00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: what why do you think? And we do this thing

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00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: when we call it a jug defense, right, called a

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00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: junk defense, you know, as if as if taking the

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00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: two best players out of the game is somehow uh

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00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: some underhanded philosophy, right, Um was your dad of trying

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00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: in two guys? Like how did you? Why? Why would

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00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: you use it? And so many others will not. Oh,

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Speaker 1: my dad is a huge he's a huge zone. He's

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00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: still every you know, I had a game last week.

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Speaker 1: I said, I said, well, uh god, my guys just

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00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: don't believe in its own He said, well, yeah, you

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00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: gave it two possessions, so you really gave it a

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00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: good chance there, didn't you, Dan? You know, as soon

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Speaker 1: as I hit the one shot, you're out of it,

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00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: you know. And uh yeah, my dad was My dad

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: pride to himself on on his defensive schemes and and

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00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: taking people out, taking the best player out. And he

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00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: was a you know, different types of boxing ones, different

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00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: types of triangle in two different different types of zones.

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00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: Uh and actually uh he he and Judd heathco developed

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00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: the matchup zone uh uh and and and you know,

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00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Michigan State, you know, won a national championship with it.

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00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: But the um problem was a three point line came

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00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: in and it really uh you know, kind of stretched

1110
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: that out and was it became a little bit harder

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00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: to run. You get ready for you con cee lead eight? Right,

1112
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: and and they got they got Rip Hamilton's they got

1113
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: clid El A mean who by the way clidel mean

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00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. I think he was like, oh of

1115
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: twelve in that game, right like he was? It was.

1116
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: It was bad now Santangelo was bad too. Neither could

1117
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: could hit a shot When you think back to that game,

1118
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: what what what do you remember? I don't have any regrets,

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00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's a great thing. You know. The only

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Speaker 1: regret I have about that whole run is it was

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00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: too early in my career to appreciate, you know. I

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00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: mean I haven't. I mean, you know, here we are

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Speaker 1: twenty one years later, and that's still my claim to fame,

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00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of it. And don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 1: I know we're I mean not doing this interview without it,

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. But um, I felt

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00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: like we were you know, it was the first time

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Speaker 1: in the you know, we we after Minnesota, Stanford was

1129
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: a two seed, and and I remember Mike mc gramer's

1130
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 1: shaking my hand after the game. He said, you guys

1131
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: are better than we are. And I think our players

1132
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: felt that same way before that game. And then and

1133
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Speaker 1: in Florida, you know, uh, Florida, we end up on

1134
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: a on a tip in casey Calvary tipp in uh

1135
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: to win it. But are are we felt good? I'm

1136
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: not sure we weren't favored going into that game, you know,

1137
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean we felt like we were. It was a

1138
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: really good matchup for us. Connecticut was the first game

1139
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: where we're like, as a staff, are like a boy.

1140
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, we play these guys, we play these guys

1141
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: ten times. I'm not sure we're winning five of these

1142
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: you know so. Um, But as I told our team,

1143
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: we don't need to be we don't need to play

1144
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: him ten times. We need to play him once, and

1145
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: we need to be the better team tomorrow, you know.

1146
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: And um, and I think our guys, you know, really

1147
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: believe that. I remember after that Stanford and the kids

1148
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: had a tradition that I didn't even know about until

1149
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: I saw the films you know, after after the whole

1150
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: run was over. I guess every time they'd win, they

1151
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: get off the bus and they'd run to the the

1152
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: to the hotel pool and jump in with their uniforms on.

1153
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: So it got to be something that I guess everybody

1154
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: knew about me, but um, because back then I would

1155
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: have been worried about you know, hey, we don't have

1156
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: an extra set of uniforms. We don't have the money,

1157
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, but UM don't ruin those things. But I

1158
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: guess they're sitting in a hot tub because I saw

1159
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: the interview later and Quentin Hall sitting in there and

1160
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: uh and uh, good looking sideline reporter Gal was trying

1161
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: to interview him. They're like, no, no, no, you gotta

1162
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: get into the you gotta get into the jacuzzi if

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk to us, you know. So they go

1164
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: to her into getting in and she's got in her

1165
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: like sideline clothes, and she gets in and she said,

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00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: you guys are forty minutes from the final four. How

1167
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: does it feel being the underdog about forty minutes away?

1168
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: And Quentin Hall says we're the underdogs. Who says we're

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00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: the underdogs and that's just the mindset and mentality those

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Speaker 1: guys had. Okay, so that's it for part one. Um,

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Speaker 1: we'll drop part two. I don't know tomorrow. Not right,

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Speaker 1: we'll drop part two tomorrow. It's a long listen. Part

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Speaker 1: two is amazing. There's a little nugget about me and

1174
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: Coach Mons that a few people know. There's also a

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Speaker 1: story in part two about me and Mark Few and

1176
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: Marcy Few that I've never told anyone ever, but I'll

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: share it with the world on the part to the

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: podcast in the meantime, just a reminder, if you like

1179
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: what I do, would be like what we do. Download

1180
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: The Doug got Lip Show. We had the podcast version

1181
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: of it, or listen to it live three to six

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01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,680
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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,160
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1184
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: x M two seventeen and two oh three. I hope

1185
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. You will love Part two. I'm Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 1: This is all ball Limber