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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie back
Speaker 2: with Don Schmid as we talk about the Roswell New
Speaker 2: Mexico crash. Don, the President elect, the Trump Do you
Speaker 2: think he's going to disclose anything? Do you think he
Speaker 2: is going to be important to this?
Speaker 3: Well? I think who will be a influence on him?
Speaker 3: Or two will be two people want will be his son,
Speaker 3: Don Junior. And then I'll mention why in a moment,
Speaker 3: but then certainly RFK Junior, and I'm I would just
Speaker 3: love to see RFK, for example, walk into the headquarters
Speaker 3: of the CIA over in Langley, Virginia and demand to
Speaker 3: see the files on his uncle on the assassination of
Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy. And he so much has said that's
Speaker 3: exactly what he intends to do. And as we both remember,
Speaker 3: it was Bill Clinton when he had requested his assistant
Speaker 3: at State Apartment, Webster Hubble, to look into two things
Speaker 3: for him. I want the answer, I want the truth
Speaker 3: on the Kennedy assassination and UFOs And we're.
Speaker 2: Not sure he got information if he didn't get it
Speaker 2: on both right.
Speaker 3: Right, he failed on both counts. I like to believe
Speaker 3: that rfk Jor, you know, he has nothing to lose,
Speaker 3: and he certainly, as a surviving family member, you know,
Speaker 3: has every right to know. But I mentioned Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump Junior the last time, and he did this
Speaker 3: as an annual Father's Day interview, fathered a son, and
Speaker 3: it was his last year in office, his first term.
Speaker 3: And the very last question that don Jor asked his
Speaker 3: father was, Dad, when are you going to release the
Speaker 3: Roswell files? Not the UFO files, the Roswell files and
Speaker 3: his father and I'm sure the questions were, you know,
Speaker 3: agreed to in advance. I'm sure he didn't blindside his
Speaker 3: own father. But then the president responds, we're working on it,
Speaker 3: and then he adds, I know that millions of people
Speaker 3: go there because they want to be where something important happened. Well,
Speaker 3: our museum in Roswell, we're approaching our six millionth visitor.
Speaker 3: So yes, millions of people have gone there, and we'll
Speaker 3: continue to go there. So then his son followed up
Speaker 3: again and then he said, well, we are doing all
Speaker 3: we can to get the files out, So I'd like
Speaker 3: to believe that it's going to be a father's son
Speaker 3: joint your project in that regard, and we would love
Speaker 3: to invite the president's son to Roswell to see if
Speaker 3: that would get things, you know, rolling in that regard.
Speaker 3: And so we have plans, especially given that we have
Speaker 3: a museum, we have landmarks, we could we can take
Speaker 3: them out to the crash sites. We can show them
Speaker 3: where you know, the the history making events actually took place.
Speaker 2: Why has this been a of secrecy done? Why has
Speaker 2: this been a shroud of secrecy?
Speaker 3: I on two counts, I believe not only does it
Speaker 3: remain a cover up of ignorance, that the powers that
Speaker 3: be still don't know from where, from why? From whom?
Speaker 3: I know, there's a long, you know, you know list
Speaker 3: of officers that we have interviewed within the military who
Speaker 3: you know, lament the fact that they're not being told anything,
Speaker 3: that the old Order was not passing down the information
Speaker 3: to them. We clearly have demonstrated with Roswell that most
Speaker 3: of the officers who were sworn to secrecy and had
Speaker 3: pensions and other benefits at stake, they took it with them,
Speaker 3: they took it to their graves. And what a crime,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, to all humanity. In that regard.
Speaker 3: And I think the other reason, George, is the culpability,
Speaker 3: the fact that they threatened witnesses. They threatened not only
Speaker 3: their own military, but they especially got pretty rough with
Speaker 3: the civilians involved, down to the children. Just imagine, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mean the thought that they were threatening to kill
Speaker 3: children over a balloon device es, and so yeah, there
Speaker 3: would be hell to pay just to think of the
Speaker 3: class action that could be taken against the government that
Speaker 3: they would finally concede that, Well, we had to, we
Speaker 3: were forced to do that. You know, we had to
Speaker 3: resort to extreme measures. Wow, how about the truth? How
Speaker 3: about just you know, we'll forgive you just to tell
Speaker 3: us the truth.
Speaker 2: What do you think of those witnesses who have disclosed
Speaker 2: over the past several hearings credible?
Speaker 3: Credible? Yes, in the sense that there I would I
Speaker 3: would agree that they are courageous. I have talked to
Speaker 3: I've you know, met with David Grush indirectly during a
Speaker 3: Zoom meeting, and I asked him questions specifically about Roswell,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate the fact that even for being granted immunity,
Speaker 3: that they're still being threatened. Still it's almost like a
Speaker 3: continuation OF's like been there, done that. We've heard this
Speaker 3: time and time again with our witnesses. Yeah, but in
Speaker 3: Grush's case, for example, he's not a true whistleblower. He's
Speaker 3: not firsthand. He can't prove anything. He can only cite sources.
Speaker 3: What I'm concerned about, George, is that the sources supposed
Speaker 3: opposedly have been interviewed, they have testified behind closed doors.
Speaker 3: These are the people that can take us by the
Speaker 3: hands and lead us to supposedly the physical evidence, and
Speaker 3: we're not hearing anything. So the secrecy is kind of
Speaker 3: going both ways. That it's not only from the secret keepers,
Speaker 3: but then those that have information conveyed to them and
Speaker 3: they're still not disclosing it. That's something we're going to
Speaker 3: have to work around. And we're dealing with politicians and
Speaker 3: their careers are also at stake, and so it's really
Speaker 3: a tough nut to crack. It truly is do you think.
Speaker 2: These legislators really want to get to the answer. Are
Speaker 2: they doing this to show face? What do you think
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 3: I think it goes both ways, George. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times, when you know the cameras are rolling
Speaker 3: and they you know, they put on, you know, the
Speaker 3: appearance that they're being tough and you know, and being
Speaker 3: assertive and demanding the truth. But I think it's more
Speaker 3: a case of, and this is what I would especially
Speaker 3: be extremely livid about, is the fact you have been
Speaker 3: lying to us. I'm sitting here today as far as
Speaker 3: part of this congressional panel, and you have been deceiving us.
Speaker 3: How dare you? What gives you that right? You aren't
Speaker 3: elected you people? You know are you know? I have
Speaker 3: assumed as far as positions within the military, within the
Speaker 3: intelligence departments, and you are withholding information from us. That's
Speaker 3: what I would be the most you know, demanding of.
Speaker 2: And of course the big question is if that's true,
Speaker 2: why what are they hiding?
Speaker 3: I know, I know, And again I think it's they're
Speaker 3: they're they're they're they're hiding the fact that they don't
Speaker 3: have answers and if they do at all, they've had
Speaker 3: failure after failure after failure in trying to reverse engineer
Speaker 3: and develop the technology. And again, I think they have
Speaker 3: just perpetuated this lie for so many years that they
Speaker 3: would lose off face the idea that you're talking about
Speaker 3: the biggest story in the last thousand years and you
Speaker 3: have been deceiving the world about this. How could they
Speaker 3: ever recover from that? The stakes are that high? We
Speaker 3: know that.
Speaker 2: Tell us the story of John Musgrove. Who is he?
Speaker 2: Who was he?
Speaker 3: And what is that story? Yeah? You brought him up. John.
Speaker 3: John just passed away last year. He lived into his
Speaker 3: mid nineties, and he was a dento tech. He worked
Speaker 3: at Wright Patterson Air Force Base specifically, you know, within
Speaker 3: that background. And when he went into private practice. He
Speaker 3: was still in the Dayton, Ohio area, just down the
Speaker 3: road from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and his boss
Speaker 3: brings in a mandible, a bone mandible as far as
Speaker 3: a lower jaw, and wanted him to create a relief,
Speaker 3: make a replica of it. And he took to the
Speaker 3: sink to wash it off, thinking it was just a
Speaker 3: plaster mold or a cast mold, and he sees that
Speaker 3: it's actual bone, it's the actual mandible, and how oddly
Speaker 3: shaped it was. It wasn't human and it wasn't like
Speaker 3: anything he'd ever seen before. So he creates the relief.
Speaker 3: His boss retrieves it the next day and well, I
Speaker 3: need the work order, work order. You didn't do anything,
Speaker 3: and he takes the mold that it was cast out
Speaker 3: of the replica, crumbles it up and tosses it into
Speaker 3: the trash. So Mosgrove follows him and he sees him
Speaker 3: hand the original bone mandible and the replica to two officers,
Speaker 3: two Air Force officers in the parking lot, and he
Speaker 3: recognizes one that he served under when he was stationed
Speaker 3: at right Path. Well, he quickly races back up two
Speaker 3: the lab and he retrieves that crumbled you know, relief,
Speaker 3: and he makes another replica. He makes another one. He
Speaker 3: keeps it in a safe at a bank and a
Speaker 3: bank ball for thirty years, and it was a Lake
Speaker 3: Carl Day. He was reported with NBC at that time.
Speaker 3: It turned it over to him and the day contacted us.
Speaker 3: We talked to the Mosgrove and we have that replica
Speaker 3: at the museum in Roswell, and every anthropologist who has
Speaker 3: looked at it says it is not human. It is
Speaker 3: not of any animal species here on earth. So the
Speaker 3: fact that it came from right pat and where did
Speaker 3: the bodies from Roswell go? And was this something that
Speaker 3: these officers stumbled upon or were they just you know,
Speaker 3: making a replica of a souvenir of what they knew
Speaker 3: to be something truly extraordinary.
Speaker 2: The mainstream media don seems lately to really beginning to
Speaker 2: grasp UFO stories. Is that a good thing?
Speaker 3: Yes and no, if they go to the right people,
Speaker 3: if they speak to the actual historians, the ones that
Speaker 3: can look at this as far as a greater picture
Speaker 3: of what we've been through and how much of this,
Speaker 3: you know, repeats itself. We went through all this at
Speaker 3: the Lake Congressman Stephen Schiff of New Mexico. Yes, and
Speaker 3: we worked directly with them, and we would meet with
Speaker 3: him in Washington and at his office at Albuquerque. And
Speaker 3: I'll never forget when the Air Force in September of
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four and they had the press conference at
Speaker 3: the Pentagon and they came out with their third official
Speaker 3: explanation on Roswell and at being Project Mogul, the Russian
Speaker 3: spy balloon, same balloon materials, same off the shelf materials,
Speaker 3: which any five year old would recognize, but it was
Speaker 3: part of a top secret project at that time, but
Speaker 3: the materials were not top secret. Well. Nonetheless, I thought
Speaker 3: that would be the end of our relationship with the Congressman,
Speaker 3: and I call up his office in Washington. He comes,
Speaker 3: he finally gets back to me, and I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 3: I guess that's the end of this project. And I
Speaker 3: will never forget the way he said, Don there are
Speaker 3: a bunch of damn liars, and he said, I'm going
Speaker 3: to get reelected and we're going to hit them twice
Speaker 3: as hard. Well, he got reelected, and then we know
Speaker 3: what happened as far as with the skin cancer, and
Speaker 3: within six months he was gone, age of fifty one.
Speaker 3: But just imagine if he would have had support, if
Speaker 3: there would have been colleagues as far as congressional colleagues
Speaker 3: that would have stood with him, and we could have
Speaker 3: had hearings back then, and we could have had one
Speaker 3: hundred first tent roswel witnesses, true whistleblowers who could describe
Speaker 3: what they held in their hands, what they witnessed, what
Speaker 3: they experienced, and then point their fingers at the military
Speaker 3: and say, and you threatened us, you threatened to kill
Speaker 3: our children over this. Just imagine should that have happened.
Speaker 2: Don tell us about the mortician who's dead now, Dennis, Well,
Speaker 2: that story fascinates me.
Speaker 3: Yes and no. And you know we originally Kevin Randall
Speaker 3: and I originally interviewed Glenn, I think, all the way
Speaker 3: back in nineteen ninety and the story was consistent. But
Speaker 3: he provided us with the name of a nurse, and
Speaker 3: no one spent more time trying to verify the existence
Speaker 3: of that nurse than we did, and we always came
Speaker 3: up empty handed. And then Glenn finally admitted to us, well,
Speaker 3: he gave us a pseudonym, he gave us a phony name.
Speaker 3: And then when I learned that what was actually happening
Speaker 3: is that Glenn was having an affair with that nurse
Speaker 3: at the base at the time, and that not only
Speaker 3: was his wife from that time still alive and then
Speaker 3: his present wife. So it kind of, you know, jaded
Speaker 3: the whole story, but nonetheless the story of the we
Speaker 3: feel we've identified her, and as Glenn had told us
Speaker 3: that she had been transferred to England, and she did
Speaker 3: die a few years after the incident of a childhood disease,
Speaker 3: so that was all correct. The phone cause to the base,
Speaker 3: to the mortuary, the Ballard funeral Home, we believed it
Speaker 3: happened that there was a request for child size caskets.
Speaker 3: We even spoke to the son of the trucker who
Speaker 3: went up to Amarillo, Texas, and that's where they would
Speaker 3: actually pick up the coffins. And the Sun described how
Speaker 3: he accompanied his dad and when they returned back to Roswell,
Speaker 3: everything was cordoned off and they had a circle coming
Speaker 3: from the east to the west of town, and his
Speaker 3: father dropped him at home and then he proceeded off
Speaker 3: to the base. So those are the things that are
Speaker 3: concerned distant. The phone caused, the child size caskets, and
Speaker 3: the personal thing's okay, fine, but I'm not gonna throw
Speaker 3: out the you know everything just because somethings didn't check out.
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