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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie back

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Speaker 2: with Don Schmid as we talk about the Roswell New

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Speaker 2: Mexico crash. Don, the President elect, the Trump Do you

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Speaker 2: think he's going to disclose anything? Do you think he

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Speaker 2: is going to be important to this?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think who will be a influence on him?

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Speaker 3: Or two will be two people want will be his son,

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Speaker 3: Don Junior. And then I'll mention why in a moment,

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Speaker 3: but then certainly RFK Junior, and I'm I would just

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Speaker 3: love to see RFK, for example, walk into the headquarters

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Speaker 3: of the CIA over in Langley, Virginia and demand to

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Speaker 3: see the files on his uncle on the assassination of

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Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy. And he so much has said that's

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Speaker 3: exactly what he intends to do. And as we both remember,

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Speaker 3: it was Bill Clinton when he had requested his assistant

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Speaker 3: at State Apartment, Webster Hubble, to look into two things

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Speaker 3: for him. I want the answer, I want the truth

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Speaker 3: on the Kennedy assassination and UFOs And we're.

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Speaker 2: Not sure he got information if he didn't get it

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Speaker 2: on both right.

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Speaker 3: Right, he failed on both counts. I like to believe

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Speaker 3: that rfk Jor, you know, he has nothing to lose,

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Speaker 3: and he certainly, as a surviving family member, you know,

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Speaker 3: has every right to know. But I mentioned Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump Junior the last time, and he did this

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Speaker 3: as an annual Father's Day interview, fathered a son, and

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Speaker 3: it was his last year in office, his first term.

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Speaker 3: And the very last question that don Jor asked his

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Speaker 3: father was, Dad, when are you going to release the

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Speaker 3: Roswell files? Not the UFO files, the Roswell files and

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Speaker 3: his father and I'm sure the questions were, you know,

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Speaker 3: agreed to in advance. I'm sure he didn't blindside his

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Speaker 3: own father. But then the president responds, we're working on it,

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Speaker 3: and then he adds, I know that millions of people

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Speaker 3: go there because they want to be where something important happened. Well,

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Speaker 3: our museum in Roswell, we're approaching our six millionth visitor.

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Speaker 3: So yes, millions of people have gone there, and we'll

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Speaker 3: continue to go there. So then his son followed up

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Speaker 3: again and then he said, well, we are doing all

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Speaker 3: we can to get the files out, So I'd like

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Speaker 3: to believe that it's going to be a father's son

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Speaker 3: joint your project in that regard, and we would love

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Speaker 3: to invite the president's son to Roswell to see if

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Speaker 3: that would get things, you know, rolling in that regard.

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Speaker 3: And so we have plans, especially given that we have

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Speaker 3: a museum, we have landmarks, we could we can take

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Speaker 3: them out to the crash sites. We can show them

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Speaker 3: where you know, the the history making events actually took place.

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Speaker 2: Why has this been a of secrecy done? Why has

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Speaker 2: this been a shroud of secrecy?

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Speaker 3: I on two counts, I believe not only does it

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Speaker 3: remain a cover up of ignorance, that the powers that

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Speaker 3: be still don't know from where, from why? From whom?

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Speaker 3: I know, there's a long, you know, you know list

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Speaker 3: of officers that we have interviewed within the military who

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Speaker 3: you know, lament the fact that they're not being told anything,

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Speaker 3: that the old Order was not passing down the information

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Speaker 3: to them. We clearly have demonstrated with Roswell that most

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Speaker 3: of the officers who were sworn to secrecy and had

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Speaker 3: pensions and other benefits at stake, they took it with them,

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Speaker 3: they took it to their graves. And what a crime,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, to all humanity. In that regard.

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Speaker 3: And I think the other reason, George, is the culpability,

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Speaker 3: the fact that they threatened witnesses. They threatened not only

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Speaker 3: the civilians involved, down to the children. Just imagine, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean the thought that they were threatening to kill

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Speaker 3: would be hell to pay just to think of the

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Speaker 3: class action that could be taken against the government that

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Speaker 3: they would finally concede that, Well, we had to, we

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Speaker 3: were forced to do that. You know, we had to

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Speaker 3: resort to extreme measures. Wow, how about the truth? How

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Speaker 3: about just you know, we'll forgive you just to tell

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Speaker 3: us the truth.

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Speaker 2: What do you think of those witnesses who have disclosed

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Speaker 3: Credible? Yes, in the sense that there I would I

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Speaker 3: I've you know, met with David Grush indirectly during a

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Speaker 3: Grush's case, for example, he's not a true whistleblower. He's

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Speaker 3: not firsthand. He can't prove anything. He can only cite sources.

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Speaker 3: What I'm concerned about, George, is that the sources supposed

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Speaker 3: opposedly have been interviewed, they have testified behind closed doors.

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Speaker 3: These are the people that can take us by the

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Speaker 3: we're not hearing anything. So the secrecy is kind of

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Speaker 3: going both ways. That it's not only from the secret keepers,

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Speaker 3: but then those that have information conveyed to them and

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Speaker 3: they're still not disclosing it. That's something we're going to

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Speaker 3: have to work around. And we're dealing with politicians and

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Speaker 3: their careers are also at stake, and so it's really

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Speaker 3: a tough nut to crack. It truly is do you think.

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Speaker 2: These legislators really want to get to the answer. Are

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Speaker 2: they doing this to show face? What do you think

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Speaker 3: I think it goes both ways, George. I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of times, when you know the cameras are rolling

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Speaker 3: appearance that they're being tough and you know, and being

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Speaker 3: assertive and demanding the truth. But I think it's more

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Speaker 3: a case of, and this is what I would especially

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Speaker 3: be extremely livid about, is the fact you have been

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Speaker 3: lying to us. I'm sitting here today as far as

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Speaker 3: part of this congressional panel, and you have been deceiving us.

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Speaker 3: How dare you? What gives you that right? You aren't

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Speaker 3: elected you people? You know are you know? I have

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Speaker 3: assumed as far as positions within the military, within the

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Speaker 3: intelligence departments, and you are withholding information from us. That's

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Speaker 3: what I would be the most you know, demanding of.

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Speaker 2: And of course the big question is if that's true,

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Speaker 2: why what are they hiding?

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, And again I think it's they're

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Speaker 3: they're they're they're they're hiding the fact that they don't

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Speaker 3: have answers and if they do at all, they've had

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Speaker 3: failure after failure after failure in trying to reverse engineer

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Speaker 3: and develop the technology. And again, I think they have

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Speaker 3: just perpetuated this lie for so many years that they

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Speaker 3: the biggest story in the last thousand years and you

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Speaker 3: have been deceiving the world about this. How could they

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Speaker 2: Tell us the story of John Musgrove. Who is he?

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Speaker 2: Who was he?

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Speaker 3: And what is that story? Yeah? You brought him up. John.

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Speaker 3: John just passed away last year. He lived into his

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Speaker 3: mid nineties, and he was a dento tech. He worked

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Speaker 3: at Wright Patterson Air Force Base specifically, you know, within

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Speaker 3: brings in a mandible, a bone mandible as far as

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Speaker 3: His boss retrieves it the next day and well, I

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Speaker 3: need the work order, work order. You didn't do anything,

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Speaker 3: and he makes another replica. He makes another one. He

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Speaker 3: Carl Day. He was reported with NBC at that time.

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Speaker 3: It turned it over to him and the day contacted us.

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Speaker 3: We talked to the Mosgrove and we have that replica

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Speaker 3: at the museum in Roswell, and every anthropologist who has

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Speaker 3: fact that it came from right pat and where did

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Speaker 2: The mainstream media don seems lately to really beginning to

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Speaker 2: grasp UFO stories. Is that a good thing?

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Speaker 3: Yes and no, if they go to the right people,

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Speaker 3: if they speak to the actual historians, the ones that

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Speaker 3: of what we've been through and how much of this,

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Speaker 3: you know, repeats itself. We went through all this at

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Speaker 3: which any five year old would recognize, but it was

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Speaker 3: the materials were not top secret. Well. Nonetheless, I thought

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Speaker 3: and I call up his office in Washington. He comes,

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Speaker 3: he finally gets back to me, and I'm thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I guess that's the end of this project. And I

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Speaker 3: will never forget the way he said, Don there are

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Speaker 3: to get reelected and we're going to hit them twice

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Speaker 3: as hard. Well, he got reelected, and then we know

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Speaker 3: what happened as far as with the skin cancer, and

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Speaker 3: within six months he was gone, age of fifty one.

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Speaker 3: But just imagine if he would have had support, if

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Speaker 3: hundred first tent roswel witnesses, true whistleblowers who could describe

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Speaker 3: what they held in their hands, what they witnessed, what

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Speaker 3: they experienced, and then point their fingers at the military

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Speaker 3: and say, and you threatened us, you threatened to kill

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Speaker 3: our children over this. Just imagine should that have happened.

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Speaker 2: Don tell us about the mortician who's dead now, Dennis, Well,

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Speaker 2: that story fascinates me.

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Speaker 3: Yes and no. And you know we originally Kevin Randall

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Speaker 3: and I originally interviewed Glenn, I think, all the way

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Speaker 3: back in nineteen ninety and the story was consistent. But

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Speaker 3: he provided us with the name of a nurse, and

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Speaker 3: up empty handed. And then Glenn finally admitted to us, well,

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Speaker 3: he gave us a pseudonym, he gave us a phony name.

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Speaker 3: And then when I learned that what was actually happening

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Speaker 3: the whole story, but nonetheless the story of the we

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Speaker 3: so that was all correct. The phone cause to the base,

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Speaker 3: happened that there was a request for child size caskets.

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Speaker 3: went up to Amarillo, Texas, and that's where they would

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Speaker 3: he accompanied his dad and when they returned back to Roswell,

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Speaker 3: everything was cordoned off and they had a circle coming

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Speaker 3: the personal thing's okay, fine, but I'm not gonna throw

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