1 00:00:15,076 --> 00:00:22,196 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hey, Solvable listeners, I want to let you know 2 00:00:22,276 --> 00:00:24,196 Speaker 1: that this is going to be the last episode of 3 00:00:24,196 --> 00:00:28,516 Speaker 1: Solvable for the foreseeable future. Thank you for joining us 4 00:00:28,516 --> 00:00:31,196 Speaker 1: each week as we've mined the brightest brains around for 5 00:00:31,276 --> 00:00:35,756 Speaker 1: solutions to problems like climate change, imperialism in the arts, 6 00:00:35,756 --> 00:00:40,316 Speaker 1: size discrimination, exclusivity and gaming, the nation's mental health crisis, 7 00:00:40,356 --> 00:00:43,996 Speaker 1: and of course the pandemic. Now. Although the world has 8 00:00:44,156 --> 00:00:47,236 Speaker 1: many more problems, this is the last will aim to 9 00:00:47,276 --> 00:00:51,436 Speaker 1: solve for now. And with that, let's start the show. 10 00:00:54,316 --> 00:00:59,156 Speaker 1: This is Solvable. I'm Ronald doing Junior to just listen. 11 00:00:59,156 --> 00:01:01,876 Speaker 1: You're flying over a field abroccoli and there is nothing else. 12 00:01:02,556 --> 00:01:06,836 Speaker 1: That massive field is the Amazon rainforest, stretching from Brazil 13 00:01:07,036 --> 00:01:14,476 Speaker 1: to Bolivia, Peru, Eador, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, French, Guyana and Surinam, 14 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:17,876 Speaker 1: sometimes called the lungs of the Earth, or its ability 15 00:01:17,916 --> 00:01:21,276 Speaker 1: to absorb massive amounts of CO two and produce oxygen. 16 00:01:21,716 --> 00:01:25,436 Speaker 1: The Amazon now suffers from man made fires and deforestation. 17 00:01:25,876 --> 00:01:28,276 Speaker 1: If somebody came to your backyard and started you or 18 00:01:28,316 --> 00:01:30,556 Speaker 1: your block and started cutting down all the trees and 19 00:01:30,636 --> 00:01:32,916 Speaker 1: bulldozing the sidewalk, I mean you'd have the cops out 20 00:01:32,956 --> 00:01:35,276 Speaker 1: there in a second. We'd never allowed that. The jungle 21 00:01:35,356 --> 00:01:38,716 Speaker 1: is changing as people increasingly view the Amazon as a 22 00:01:38,796 --> 00:01:42,236 Speaker 1: resource for things like wood and gold, and so bit 23 00:01:42,316 --> 00:01:44,316 Speaker 1: by bit, day by day, they've just been shipping away 24 00:01:44,316 --> 00:01:47,556 Speaker 1: at it. People are cutting timber from rainforest, people are 25 00:01:47,596 --> 00:01:51,836 Speaker 1: gold mining from rainforest. Paul Rosalie is a conservationist and author. 26 00:01:52,436 --> 00:01:54,956 Speaker 1: In August twenty nineteen, he posted a video showing the 27 00:01:54,996 --> 00:01:58,676 Speaker 1: results of the wildfires destroying the Amazon rainforest. At that time, 28 00:01:59,116 --> 00:02:02,556 Speaker 1: it was viewed over one point four million times and 29 00:02:02,636 --> 00:02:06,036 Speaker 1: received a lot of media attention. Just by people posting 30 00:02:06,076 --> 00:02:08,476 Speaker 1: and resharing his video, Paul and his team got the 31 00:02:08,516 --> 00:02:11,476 Speaker 1: word out about what was being lost in those fires. 32 00:02:11,796 --> 00:02:14,116 Speaker 1: Give me a reason to be working in the Amazon 33 00:02:14,156 --> 00:02:16,636 Speaker 1: at a purpose I was helping with something, which is 34 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:19,756 Speaker 1: something I really wanted, was to not just be you know, 35 00:02:20,276 --> 00:02:21,836 Speaker 1: being like, yeah, it's a lot of fun and to 36 00:02:21,836 --> 00:02:23,716 Speaker 1: take pictures. It was like, no, I'm actually helping these 37 00:02:23,756 --> 00:02:28,276 Speaker 1: people to protect their land. Through his eco tourism company 38 00:02:28,436 --> 00:02:31,236 Speaker 1: and his team of forest rangers, Rosalie is trying to 39 00:02:31,236 --> 00:02:34,636 Speaker 1: get people to see why the rainforest exists, why it's 40 00:02:34,636 --> 00:02:37,436 Speaker 1: important to our daily lives, and what can be done 41 00:02:37,436 --> 00:02:41,036 Speaker 1: to preserve the thousands of animal and plant species that 42 00:02:41,156 --> 00:02:44,796 Speaker 1: make the rainforest their home. A single tree can be 43 00:02:44,876 --> 00:02:48,516 Speaker 1: covered in reptiles, and birds and frogs will be living 44 00:02:48,556 --> 00:02:51,596 Speaker 1: on the mosses, lichens, vines, all this stuff. It's just 45 00:02:51,636 --> 00:02:54,996 Speaker 1: like a skyscraper of life. The Amazon's existence is also 46 00:02:55,036 --> 00:02:58,116 Speaker 1: crucial to our own existence, helping to stabilize the climate. 47 00:02:58,836 --> 00:03:02,156 Speaker 1: Rosalie remains optimistic that his efforts to save the rainforest 48 00:03:02,396 --> 00:03:05,676 Speaker 1: will not be in vain. Saving the Amazon rainforest is 49 00:03:05,676 --> 00:03:16,276 Speaker 1: a solvable problem. Do you remember the earliest time that 50 00:03:16,356 --> 00:03:21,236 Speaker 1: you fell in love with wildlife or with nature? And 51 00:03:21,436 --> 00:03:23,916 Speaker 1: you tell me about how that came to be for you. 52 00:03:24,276 --> 00:03:26,796 Speaker 1: So I was born in Brooklyn, and my parents wanted 53 00:03:26,836 --> 00:03:28,716 Speaker 1: to get away from the city, so so they moved 54 00:03:28,716 --> 00:03:31,316 Speaker 1: to like northern New Jersey, and so we had I 55 00:03:31,316 --> 00:03:34,156 Speaker 1: had access to a lot of forests. People don't realize, 56 00:03:34,156 --> 00:03:36,396 Speaker 1: like doing New York and New Jersey, there's actually a 57 00:03:36,436 --> 00:03:38,156 Speaker 1: lot of forests there. And so my parents used to 58 00:03:38,196 --> 00:03:42,036 Speaker 1: taking me on hikes. I loved like stormy summer days 59 00:03:42,076 --> 00:03:45,196 Speaker 1: when the foliage is really thick. I wanted to pretend 60 00:03:45,196 --> 00:03:47,796 Speaker 1: it was the jungle, and I used to love going 61 00:03:47,796 --> 00:03:51,516 Speaker 1: out and looking for snakes and turtles. And then as 62 00:03:51,516 --> 00:03:53,796 Speaker 1: I got older, took me to the Bronx Zoo. It's 63 00:03:53,836 --> 00:03:56,356 Speaker 1: like it's like legendary. You see these animals that you 64 00:03:56,396 --> 00:03:58,596 Speaker 1: know from all over the world that are so incredible. 65 00:03:59,076 --> 00:04:00,716 Speaker 1: It just stuck in my head that that's something that 66 00:04:00,796 --> 00:04:03,716 Speaker 1: you can do, that a person can do. And then 67 00:04:03,756 --> 00:04:05,316 Speaker 1: when I was a teenager, it was like going out 68 00:04:05,316 --> 00:04:09,676 Speaker 1: into the woods with like a knife and one match 69 00:04:09,796 --> 00:04:11,916 Speaker 1: and my dog and I'd have to like survive for 70 00:04:11,956 --> 00:04:14,716 Speaker 1: the whole weekend. So yeah, one match, add your dog 71 00:04:15,396 --> 00:04:18,676 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like enough to survive for the weekend. So 72 00:04:19,276 --> 00:04:22,396 Speaker 1: you dropped out of high school with your parents encouragement, 73 00:04:22,436 --> 00:04:25,076 Speaker 1: Tell me tell me that story. Yeah it always people 74 00:04:25,116 --> 00:04:26,796 Speaker 1: always scratch their head and I tell them that. But 75 00:04:26,876 --> 00:04:30,556 Speaker 1: I was the worst student you have ever heard of. Well, no, 76 00:04:30,636 --> 00:04:32,276 Speaker 1: second worst. There's always that kid that takes it to 77 00:04:32,356 --> 00:04:37,196 Speaker 1: another level. Always there's always that guy. But no, I was. 78 00:04:37,476 --> 00:04:41,396 Speaker 1: I think I got detention or suspended how many times 79 00:04:41,436 --> 00:04:43,236 Speaker 1: through middle school and then in high school it was 80 00:04:43,236 --> 00:04:45,156 Speaker 1: like I was old enough to be like getting in 81 00:04:45,196 --> 00:04:48,396 Speaker 1: fights with people and just failing all my classes and 82 00:04:48,516 --> 00:04:50,996 Speaker 1: miserable and depressed, I mean, you know, it sounds like, oh, 83 00:04:50,996 --> 00:04:53,196 Speaker 1: it was school, but it's like when you're a kid, 84 00:04:53,436 --> 00:04:55,636 Speaker 1: you're in a room and they tell you you're gonna 85 00:04:55,636 --> 00:04:58,476 Speaker 1: be in this room for a long time. It's January 86 00:04:58,836 --> 00:05:00,476 Speaker 1: and you got months ahead of you, and next year 87 00:05:00,556 --> 00:05:02,676 Speaker 1: is gonna be the same thing. And when you grow up, 88 00:05:02,676 --> 00:05:04,236 Speaker 1: you're gonna sit in an office and it's gonna be 89 00:05:04,236 --> 00:05:07,516 Speaker 1: the same thing again. And it's just assignments and it's boring. 90 00:05:07,556 --> 00:05:08,876 Speaker 1: And so I'd be like, all right, well, at least 91 00:05:08,916 --> 00:05:11,276 Speaker 1: I'm going to read, and then like no, Paul gave 92 00:05:11,316 --> 00:05:12,476 Speaker 1: me the book. And then I'd be like, you're not 93 00:05:12,476 --> 00:05:14,516 Speaker 1: taking the book. Give us the book now, or else 94 00:05:14,556 --> 00:05:16,196 Speaker 1: you're onto the principal office. We're going to call this 95 00:05:16,276 --> 00:05:18,196 Speaker 1: a kid. It was My mom came to me and 96 00:05:18,236 --> 00:05:20,516 Speaker 1: she was like, look, if you want drop out, and 97 00:05:20,596 --> 00:05:22,796 Speaker 1: I was like what. She's like, yeah, you're not going 98 00:05:22,836 --> 00:05:24,316 Speaker 1: to be a couch kid. She's like, you're not gonna 99 00:05:24,316 --> 00:05:26,236 Speaker 1: go work at you know, the gas station. She's like, 100 00:05:26,236 --> 00:05:27,916 Speaker 1: you got to go to college. She's like, but you 101 00:05:27,956 --> 00:05:31,276 Speaker 1: can get your geed right now, which is two years 102 00:05:31,276 --> 00:05:32,756 Speaker 1: of high school. And I tell this to kids like 103 00:05:32,836 --> 00:05:34,476 Speaker 1: it's it's a get out of Jail free card. If 104 00:05:34,516 --> 00:05:37,276 Speaker 1: you're ready to go do something, if you want to 105 00:05:37,356 --> 00:05:39,436 Speaker 1: learn a trade, if you want to go exploring, whatever 106 00:05:39,516 --> 00:05:41,916 Speaker 1: does you want to do. You don't need to sit 107 00:05:42,076 --> 00:05:43,916 Speaker 1: for the second two years of high school. It's not 108 00:05:43,956 --> 00:05:45,676 Speaker 1: made for everybody. And if you're one of those people, 109 00:05:45,676 --> 00:05:48,916 Speaker 1: it's not made for you. Take this test. And I 110 00:05:48,956 --> 00:05:51,316 Speaker 1: went straight to community college and then I applied to 111 00:05:51,356 --> 00:05:53,156 Speaker 1: state school and I just you know, I did my 112 00:05:53,236 --> 00:05:57,676 Speaker 1: undergrad and that gave me the time to start focusing 113 00:05:57,716 --> 00:06:00,476 Speaker 1: on what I really wanted. And at that very very 114 00:06:00,516 --> 00:06:02,716 Speaker 1: young age, at like seventeen, I was already going, Okay, 115 00:06:02,756 --> 00:06:06,316 Speaker 1: well what about what am I doing here? You ended 116 00:06:06,396 --> 00:06:08,716 Speaker 1: up in Peru somehow, so take me on that trip. 117 00:06:09,636 --> 00:06:12,356 Speaker 1: It was actually, I think in school a teacher had 118 00:06:12,356 --> 00:06:14,396 Speaker 1: made a joke about like, oh, you know this wood 119 00:06:14,396 --> 00:06:16,476 Speaker 1: that they're cutting down the Amazon rainforest for and I 120 00:06:16,556 --> 00:06:18,756 Speaker 1: sort of said, wait a second, this is that's a 121 00:06:18,796 --> 00:06:24,116 Speaker 1: real place that theoretically I could go to. And so 122 00:06:24,156 --> 00:06:25,676 Speaker 1: I like got in my head and I started doing 123 00:06:25,716 --> 00:06:27,636 Speaker 1: searches on the internet, and like, you know, the first 124 00:06:27,636 --> 00:06:29,236 Speaker 1: thing you look up, like go to the rainforest, you 125 00:06:29,236 --> 00:06:30,556 Speaker 1: found like tours and stuff, and I was like, I 126 00:06:30,596 --> 00:06:32,796 Speaker 1: don't want to do that, you know, I want to go. 127 00:06:33,276 --> 00:06:34,916 Speaker 1: I want to go and do something. I want to 128 00:06:34,916 --> 00:06:38,196 Speaker 1: go be part of something, something authentic. And I found 129 00:06:39,036 --> 00:06:43,396 Speaker 1: this local indigenous guy who was working with mccause, you know, 130 00:06:43,396 --> 00:06:47,476 Speaker 1: the color for the big colorful parrots. And I sent 131 00:06:47,556 --> 00:06:49,756 Speaker 1: out an email and I asked it that like one 132 00:06:49,796 --> 00:06:53,316 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty other emails too. But I waited like 133 00:06:53,356 --> 00:06:54,876 Speaker 1: a month and a half, heard nothing, and then one 134 00:06:54,916 --> 00:06:56,476 Speaker 1: day I got an email back and it was like, hey, 135 00:06:56,716 --> 00:06:58,516 Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're good in the outdoors 136 00:06:58,516 --> 00:07:01,396 Speaker 1: and you feel this and that, you can come. It was. 137 00:07:01,836 --> 00:07:03,716 Speaker 1: It was very surreal and I had to fight that one. 138 00:07:03,716 --> 00:07:05,076 Speaker 1: I had to fight with my parents with because they 139 00:07:05,076 --> 00:07:06,436 Speaker 1: were like, you are too young to be getting on 140 00:07:06,516 --> 00:07:08,676 Speaker 1: a plane by yourself, going to the middle of the 141 00:07:08,756 --> 00:07:11,556 Speaker 1: jungle down a road completely out of contact for days 142 00:07:11,596 --> 00:07:13,876 Speaker 1: and days and days and weeks and with anacondas and 143 00:07:13,916 --> 00:07:18,196 Speaker 1: bushmasters and jaguars and poachers and all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah, 144 00:07:18,236 --> 00:07:19,876 Speaker 1: So that one was tough. That was a tough one 145 00:07:19,916 --> 00:07:21,956 Speaker 1: to sell. And I basically had to play the you know, 146 00:07:21,996 --> 00:07:24,916 Speaker 1: if I'm turning eighteen, I can do it without your things. 147 00:07:24,916 --> 00:07:26,556 Speaker 1: So I'd rather do it with you, so I had to. 148 00:07:26,996 --> 00:07:30,036 Speaker 1: We got into it on that one. But yeah, getting 149 00:07:30,036 --> 00:07:41,156 Speaker 1: there the first time was that was an adventure. Describe 150 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:43,796 Speaker 1: how big the Amazon is and I don't know if 151 00:07:43,796 --> 00:07:46,716 Speaker 1: you have any comparative terms. I can't really imagine the 152 00:07:46,716 --> 00:07:50,596 Speaker 1: scope in the size the Amazon basin itself is larger 153 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:56,836 Speaker 1: than the continental US, and we Yeah, it's huge. And 154 00:07:56,956 --> 00:07:59,556 Speaker 1: when you're in this forest, when you fly over it, 155 00:07:59,796 --> 00:08:02,196 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to be in like a small 156 00:08:02,236 --> 00:08:04,676 Speaker 1: cess and of flying over we were monitoring for shorterier 157 00:08:04,756 --> 00:08:08,756 Speaker 1: dogs and you we reach parts where you can't see 158 00:08:09,276 --> 00:08:11,876 Speaker 1: anything but forest. It just looks like you're flying over 159 00:08:11,916 --> 00:08:15,396 Speaker 1: a field a broccoli and there's nothing else. Yeah, as 160 00:08:15,396 --> 00:08:17,036 Speaker 1: far as the eye can see. And it's just it's 161 00:08:17,076 --> 00:08:19,756 Speaker 1: such a massive forest. And it's not just jungle. It's 162 00:08:19,756 --> 00:08:22,356 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize there's in the Amazon. 163 00:08:22,356 --> 00:08:25,316 Speaker 1: There's grasslands, and there's wetlands, there's the pentanale, there's there's 164 00:08:25,316 --> 00:08:27,676 Speaker 1: all this different other types of ecosystems there's been but 165 00:08:27,756 --> 00:08:31,916 Speaker 1: bamboo forests. It floods and it recedes is it's so 166 00:08:31,916 --> 00:08:36,036 Speaker 1: so much more complex than we think. That. My big 167 00:08:36,076 --> 00:08:38,236 Speaker 1: thing there that that really blew my mind. Was that 168 00:08:38,276 --> 00:08:39,916 Speaker 1: you show up and you see a bunch of green 169 00:08:39,956 --> 00:08:42,476 Speaker 1: and these giant trees, and you're like, okay, cool. But 170 00:08:42,516 --> 00:08:45,476 Speaker 1: then it takes you a few years of learning to 171 00:08:45,676 --> 00:08:49,036 Speaker 1: learn how much you don't know. Because once you learn all, 172 00:08:49,236 --> 00:08:51,716 Speaker 1: you know, let's say, out of out of fifteen hundred 173 00:08:51,756 --> 00:08:55,596 Speaker 1: tree species, I learned, you know, thirty trees, you know, 174 00:08:55,636 --> 00:08:58,236 Speaker 1: and and fifty birds and a few snakes and the Okay, 175 00:08:58,236 --> 00:08:59,716 Speaker 1: so I learned those things, But I say, well, wait, 176 00:09:00,116 --> 00:09:04,676 Speaker 1: the size of this jungle is so beyond our comparison 177 00:09:05,676 --> 00:09:07,516 Speaker 1: that it's other than comparing it to the to the 178 00:09:07,596 --> 00:09:10,236 Speaker 1: United States. I don't I can't even I can't even begin. 179 00:09:10,356 --> 00:09:13,156 Speaker 1: It's just massive. Do you remember the first time you 180 00:09:13,196 --> 00:09:16,196 Speaker 1: stepped in there? I imagine that's different from the New 181 00:09:16,316 --> 00:09:20,476 Speaker 1: York forests. So what what was it like? You ever 182 00:09:20,516 --> 00:09:23,116 Speaker 1: see the beginning of Jurassic Park? Would you see the 183 00:09:23,116 --> 00:09:26,396 Speaker 1: broad of sources? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, he like grabs her 184 00:09:26,396 --> 00:09:28,916 Speaker 1: face and she she stands up and like everyone gets 185 00:09:28,996 --> 00:09:30,596 Speaker 1: chills when you see that. And it was like the 186 00:09:30,756 --> 00:09:33,756 Speaker 1: first time I stepped off the boat and saw a giant, 187 00:09:33,956 --> 00:09:37,276 Speaker 1: you know, thousand year old capoc tree and trails of 188 00:09:37,356 --> 00:09:39,476 Speaker 1: leaf cutter ends and you hear two cans and there's 189 00:09:39,556 --> 00:09:42,316 Speaker 1: spider monkeys. It was literally just like, this is where 190 00:09:42,516 --> 00:09:45,036 Speaker 1: I am supposed to be. It felt like it felt 191 00:09:45,036 --> 00:09:47,436 Speaker 1: like it felt like waking up from the matrix for 192 00:09:47,476 --> 00:09:49,356 Speaker 1: the first time. I was like, oh, this is what 193 00:09:49,396 --> 00:09:52,956 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Like, this is great. The one 194 00:09:53,036 --> 00:09:57,036 Speaker 1: thing that my teacher didn't know was he was scared 195 00:09:57,036 --> 00:10:00,116 Speaker 1: of snakes, and I had. I had grown up like 196 00:10:00,156 --> 00:10:02,916 Speaker 1: rescuing snakes. Like one time on a trail in like 197 00:10:02,996 --> 00:10:04,596 Speaker 1: New York, in New Jersey, this some old guy was 198 00:10:04,596 --> 00:10:07,316 Speaker 1: trying to kill a copper head and I just, you know, 199 00:10:07,356 --> 00:10:09,036 Speaker 1: stepped in and like picked it up and moved it. 200 00:10:09,116 --> 00:10:11,636 Speaker 1: Which by that point I'd caught hundreds of non venomous 201 00:10:11,636 --> 00:10:13,316 Speaker 1: snakes and so I knew how to do it. No, 202 00:10:13,716 --> 00:10:17,876 Speaker 1: thank you, Paul. This is yeah with your guy, no 203 00:10:18,156 --> 00:10:21,516 Speaker 1: trying to stay away from them. I mean, I support 204 00:10:21,556 --> 00:10:23,636 Speaker 1: you on that. Everybody should stay away from them. But 205 00:10:24,036 --> 00:10:26,076 Speaker 1: the funny thing is a snake will never, in any 206 00:10:26,076 --> 00:10:29,756 Speaker 1: circumstances um attack a person. You know, anybody that's messing 207 00:10:29,756 --> 00:10:31,556 Speaker 1: with a snake. You know, you hear about people like 208 00:10:31,596 --> 00:10:33,516 Speaker 1: killing rattlesnakes and stuff. It's like, well you could do 209 00:10:33,596 --> 00:10:38,116 Speaker 1: that or you could just keep walking like you just 210 00:10:38,636 --> 00:10:42,636 Speaker 1: you just not you know what a radical copdown. It's 211 00:10:42,716 --> 00:10:45,876 Speaker 1: it's amazing and there's a lot of that in conservation um. 212 00:10:45,956 --> 00:10:47,476 Speaker 1: But yeah, going to going to the jungle for the 213 00:10:47,516 --> 00:10:51,196 Speaker 1: first time absolutely was a major life changing moment. That 214 00:10:51,316 --> 00:10:53,556 Speaker 1: moment of seeing the jungle for the first time, that's it. 215 00:10:53,676 --> 00:11:05,156 Speaker 1: That was like really the start of my actual life. 216 00:11:10,796 --> 00:11:12,396 Speaker 1: As you got there and you know, you see this, 217 00:11:12,556 --> 00:11:16,236 Speaker 1: you have this Jurassic Park moment. Were there? Did you 218 00:11:16,276 --> 00:11:20,036 Speaker 1: have another Jurassic Park moment when you know the juggle 219 00:11:20,116 --> 00:11:22,476 Speaker 1: kind of turned, don't you? Or you saw less less 220 00:11:22,476 --> 00:11:25,676 Speaker 1: glamorous parts of the jungle that weren't so weren't so great, 221 00:11:25,676 --> 00:11:28,556 Speaker 1: the grittier parts you know about visiting and living in 222 00:11:28,556 --> 00:11:34,596 Speaker 1: the Amazon. Well, the thing is I love everything about 223 00:11:34,596 --> 00:11:37,076 Speaker 1: the jungle. I mean the you know, people say, what 224 00:11:37,116 --> 00:11:39,756 Speaker 1: about the piranhas, what about this? What about that? It's like, dude, 225 00:11:40,436 --> 00:11:47,236 Speaker 1: piranhas are delicious, Fried piranhas are delicious. I mean anaconda's 226 00:11:47,236 --> 00:11:49,876 Speaker 1: black Cayman. I've had close en concounters with jaguars. The 227 00:11:49,916 --> 00:11:53,796 Speaker 1: only thing that that after I had started learning and 228 00:11:53,836 --> 00:11:56,196 Speaker 1: gone on adventures and and sort of got in my 229 00:11:56,276 --> 00:11:58,276 Speaker 1: jungle feet, which is something you literally had to do 230 00:11:58,396 --> 00:12:01,476 Speaker 1: because the native guys they're like, look, you're too loud 231 00:12:01,516 --> 00:12:04,156 Speaker 1: with boots on, take them off. So they want you 232 00:12:04,196 --> 00:12:06,596 Speaker 1: to walk barefoot with the scorpions and the snakes and 233 00:12:06,636 --> 00:12:09,356 Speaker 1: the spikes and the jung yads. No, thank you, this 234 00:12:09,436 --> 00:12:12,116 Speaker 1: is all Ronald repellent. You're describing a place that Ronald 235 00:12:12,156 --> 00:12:15,876 Speaker 1: Will Will we'll see from Afar on a tour. Wait, 236 00:12:15,916 --> 00:12:17,876 Speaker 1: but your team just told me they got your plane tickets. 237 00:12:17,876 --> 00:12:21,476 Speaker 1: You're coming with me next week. Yeah. My My goal 238 00:12:21,516 --> 00:12:23,916 Speaker 1: to preserve the Amazon is by staying out of it. 239 00:12:24,036 --> 00:12:29,396 Speaker 1: So that's you're not a lot of people that really 240 00:12:29,396 --> 00:12:31,436 Speaker 1: help us protect the Amazon. I've said the same thing. 241 00:12:31,436 --> 00:12:34,236 Speaker 1: They're like, look in in theory, I want to protect 242 00:12:34,236 --> 00:12:36,796 Speaker 1: the rainforest. I don't want to set foot there. I'm 243 00:12:36,836 --> 00:12:39,916 Speaker 1: glad that it exists, and hey, you know, I respect 244 00:12:39,996 --> 00:12:41,956 Speaker 1: I really respect that. At least for me, there's a 245 00:12:42,036 --> 00:12:44,756 Speaker 1: huge benefit of that. I enjoy it. You wanted to 246 00:12:44,796 --> 00:12:48,476 Speaker 1: go yourself. How do you get other people excited about 247 00:12:48,516 --> 00:12:51,756 Speaker 1: about the Amazon, about preserving it? How do you get 248 00:12:51,796 --> 00:12:55,716 Speaker 1: somebody that you know that maybe apathetic or indifferent about 249 00:12:55,756 --> 00:12:58,596 Speaker 1: the Amazon. How do you get them excited about your 250 00:12:58,596 --> 00:13:01,276 Speaker 1: work and what it is that you're doing. The rainforests 251 00:13:01,276 --> 00:13:05,796 Speaker 1: are huge global forces in the stabilization of our climate 252 00:13:05,836 --> 00:13:08,516 Speaker 1: that keep tons of carbon in the ground. That's where 253 00:13:08,556 --> 00:13:11,916 Speaker 1: all of our bio diversity is, huge amounts of land 254 00:13:11,996 --> 00:13:14,396 Speaker 1: for indigenous people. I mean, there's there's just the crown 255 00:13:14,476 --> 00:13:18,716 Speaker 1: jewel of planet Earth, and some people still don't care. Yeah, 256 00:13:18,756 --> 00:13:21,636 Speaker 1: you know, But the thing is, if that's where you 257 00:13:21,636 --> 00:13:24,156 Speaker 1: get to the level of like, yeah, but a bad environment, 258 00:13:24,156 --> 00:13:26,356 Speaker 1: if you can't breathe the air and drink the water, 259 00:13:26,836 --> 00:13:29,156 Speaker 1: it ain't good for business either. I I was on 260 00:13:29,196 --> 00:13:31,476 Speaker 1: a Fox News show at some point and the guy, 261 00:13:31,716 --> 00:13:33,876 Speaker 1: he was actually nice off camera. He goes, luck, he goes, 262 00:13:33,916 --> 00:13:35,876 Speaker 1: I'm about to come after you. And I went, Okay, 263 00:13:35,956 --> 00:13:38,316 Speaker 1: he goes, but this is a financial show. And and 264 00:13:38,316 --> 00:13:40,236 Speaker 1: then they started and he goes and I got a 265 00:13:40,236 --> 00:13:42,116 Speaker 1: tree hugger on here. Now, why would we want to 266 00:13:42,116 --> 00:13:44,876 Speaker 1: protect the Amazon? And I was like, you got millions 267 00:13:44,876 --> 00:13:47,596 Speaker 1: of starving people because there's no rainforest, and everybody up 268 00:13:47,636 --> 00:13:49,836 Speaker 1: here starts choking and the weather goes all out of whack. 269 00:13:49,916 --> 00:13:52,556 Speaker 1: I was like, that is not good for your third 270 00:13:52,636 --> 00:13:55,636 Speaker 1: quarter or whatever it is you're worried about. And that's 271 00:13:55,636 --> 00:14:05,996 Speaker 1: the truth. You know, we need a function ecosystem. You 272 00:14:06,116 --> 00:14:10,876 Speaker 1: started the eco tourism company, Tamandua Expeditions, telling a little 273 00:14:10,876 --> 00:14:13,596 Speaker 1: bit about how that came about. The local guy I 274 00:14:13,636 --> 00:14:15,596 Speaker 1: first met. His name is Juan Julio, and he just 275 00:14:15,636 --> 00:14:17,516 Speaker 1: told everybody to call him JJ because he thought that 276 00:14:17,556 --> 00:14:19,836 Speaker 1: was easier for the green goes. But it stucks now 277 00:14:19,836 --> 00:14:22,516 Speaker 1: we all call him JJ. Originally he was doing that. 278 00:14:22,596 --> 00:14:24,356 Speaker 1: He was saying, look, you know, I'll bring people onto 279 00:14:24,396 --> 00:14:26,476 Speaker 1: my land because I'm trying. He was trying to protect 280 00:14:26,556 --> 00:14:28,876 Speaker 1: his land, and he said, look, we'll take you out 281 00:14:28,916 --> 00:14:30,996 Speaker 1: for animals, and he worked with scientists and so like, 282 00:14:31,156 --> 00:14:33,076 Speaker 1: go out in the morning and take that on my cause, 283 00:14:33,116 --> 00:14:34,516 Speaker 1: and then at night I'd be free to run out 284 00:14:34,556 --> 00:14:36,196 Speaker 1: and look for snakes or do whatever else I wanted 285 00:14:36,236 --> 00:14:39,716 Speaker 1: to do, climb trees and stuff. Originally that was the 286 00:14:39,756 --> 00:14:41,836 Speaker 1: first thing I was told, was like, do that, you know, 287 00:14:41,956 --> 00:14:43,956 Speaker 1: bring people that'll help. And it also gave me a 288 00:14:43,956 --> 00:14:46,436 Speaker 1: reason to be working in the Amazon. Had a purpose. 289 00:14:46,476 --> 00:14:49,276 Speaker 1: I was helping with something. Our deal is that we 290 00:14:49,316 --> 00:14:52,596 Speaker 1: want to take people on authentic wildlife experiences. And so 291 00:14:52,636 --> 00:14:55,516 Speaker 1: that's whether that's tracking tigers in India or coming to 292 00:14:55,596 --> 00:14:59,916 Speaker 1: the Amazon and taking part in conservation, it's it's always 293 00:14:59,916 --> 00:15:02,876 Speaker 1: like the real deal. And then also like now that 294 00:15:02,956 --> 00:15:05,116 Speaker 1: we have a ranger team and that we have all 295 00:15:05,156 --> 00:15:07,836 Speaker 1: these projects running, I mean, things have grown so much 296 00:15:07,916 --> 00:15:10,276 Speaker 1: that now the so much for people to see when 297 00:15:10,316 --> 00:15:14,196 Speaker 1: they come. How do you think eco tourism drives conservation. 298 00:15:16,676 --> 00:15:20,276 Speaker 1: I've heard people criticize ecotourism for conservation, and I think 299 00:15:20,276 --> 00:15:22,676 Speaker 1: in some places there's you know, like anything. I mean 300 00:15:22,956 --> 00:15:24,836 Speaker 1: in some places, I mean, water is great, you know, 301 00:15:24,916 --> 00:15:27,636 Speaker 1: until it's a flood. But in the Amazon, in my region, 302 00:15:27,716 --> 00:15:31,516 Speaker 1: it is incredibly beneficial. If you're a guy with some forest, 303 00:15:31,636 --> 00:15:35,156 Speaker 1: or if you're an indigenous community with some forests, you 304 00:15:35,276 --> 00:15:39,076 Speaker 1: might not have a way of interacting with the global economy. 305 00:15:39,356 --> 00:15:41,996 Speaker 1: Even if you're an indigenous community that mostly survives off 306 00:15:41,996 --> 00:15:45,076 Speaker 1: of piranha and monkeys and a few crops. At some 307 00:15:45,116 --> 00:15:47,116 Speaker 1: point you're going to need gasoline for your boat motor 308 00:15:47,116 --> 00:15:48,356 Speaker 1: and it's like, well you got to buy that. And 309 00:15:48,396 --> 00:15:50,596 Speaker 1: then when the loggers come and try to cut down 310 00:15:50,676 --> 00:15:52,796 Speaker 1: your land, it's like, well, now I need a lawyer. 311 00:15:52,956 --> 00:15:56,036 Speaker 1: So you do have to interact with the global economy, 312 00:15:56,036 --> 00:15:57,036 Speaker 1: and so if you want to do that, you have 313 00:15:57,076 --> 00:15:59,276 Speaker 1: to earn a little cash. And it's like, well, ecotourism 314 00:15:59,356 --> 00:16:01,596 Speaker 1: is a great way to do that, Paul. Can you 315 00:16:01,636 --> 00:16:03,956 Speaker 1: talk me through some of the ways that people are 316 00:16:05,316 --> 00:16:09,436 Speaker 1: pillaging I guess we're, lack of a better word, the rainforest. Yes, 317 00:16:09,956 --> 00:16:12,196 Speaker 1: if somebody came to your backyard and started, you know, 318 00:16:12,316 --> 00:16:14,556 Speaker 1: or your block and started cutting down all the trees 319 00:16:14,556 --> 00:16:16,876 Speaker 1: and bulldozing the sidewalk, I mean you'd have the cops 320 00:16:16,876 --> 00:16:18,996 Speaker 1: out there in a second. We'd never allow that. Yeah, 321 00:16:19,036 --> 00:16:22,356 Speaker 1: But when it's the middle of the Amazon, a lot 322 00:16:22,356 --> 00:16:24,156 Speaker 1: of times no one's here to see it, and so 323 00:16:24,476 --> 00:16:26,516 Speaker 1: bit by bit, day by day, they've just been chipping 324 00:16:26,516 --> 00:16:29,836 Speaker 1: away at it. People are cutting timber from rainforests, People 325 00:16:29,836 --> 00:16:32,956 Speaker 1: are gold mining from rainforests. And so in my experience, 326 00:16:32,996 --> 00:16:36,556 Speaker 1: I've seen the logging industry going after giant ironwood trees. 327 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:40,356 Speaker 1: These are five hundred, six hundred, sometimes maybe thousand year 328 00:16:40,356 --> 00:16:45,316 Speaker 1: old trees that are habitat for thousands of other species, 329 00:16:45,596 --> 00:16:47,876 Speaker 1: and that at first even I was like, wait, thousands, 330 00:16:48,236 --> 00:16:51,196 Speaker 1: but yes, it's a single tree can be covered in 331 00:16:51,356 --> 00:16:54,476 Speaker 1: you know, reptiles and birds and all this other stuff. 332 00:16:54,476 --> 00:16:57,236 Speaker 1: Frogs will be living on the mosses, lichens, vines, all 333 00:16:57,276 --> 00:16:59,716 Speaker 1: this stuff is just like a skyscraper of life. And 334 00:16:59,716 --> 00:17:02,156 Speaker 1: so when you cut that down, this is all this 335 00:17:02,236 --> 00:17:07,116 Speaker 1: habitat that's gone. You started a second organization called jungle Keepers. Yes, 336 00:17:07,556 --> 00:17:10,236 Speaker 1: tell me about what that does and how that fights 337 00:17:10,276 --> 00:17:13,436 Speaker 1: some of the extraction that you're talking about right now. 338 00:17:13,476 --> 00:17:17,036 Speaker 1: What we have is a team of eight local rangers, 339 00:17:17,996 --> 00:17:21,276 Speaker 1: a fleet of boats, We have a ranger station, and 340 00:17:21,356 --> 00:17:27,036 Speaker 1: we are currently protecting fifty five thousand acres along this river, 341 00:17:27,116 --> 00:17:28,836 Speaker 1: so a lot of a lot of the area right 342 00:17:28,876 --> 00:17:30,956 Speaker 1: around where we were starting to see that deforestation. We're 343 00:17:30,956 --> 00:17:35,716 Speaker 1: sort of trying to arrest the cutting, protecting old growth 344 00:17:35,756 --> 00:17:39,196 Speaker 1: forest specifically. You know, it's like we can all do something. 345 00:17:39,236 --> 00:17:41,916 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be you know, running with a 346 00:17:41,916 --> 00:17:44,516 Speaker 1: sword on fire towards a bulldozer trying to save the 347 00:17:44,596 --> 00:17:49,076 Speaker 1: rainforest and one heroic you know, last hand. So I 348 00:17:49,076 --> 00:17:51,756 Speaker 1: imagine you guys aren't running at bulldozs with flaming swords. 349 00:17:52,116 --> 00:17:53,556 Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you guys do 350 00:17:53,596 --> 00:17:55,636 Speaker 1: in order to stop them, Like we're not talking about 351 00:17:55,676 --> 00:17:58,676 Speaker 1: like a citizen's arrest here, but if you guys are patrolling. 352 00:17:58,956 --> 00:18:01,196 Speaker 1: I imagine there's some sort of execution factor where you 353 00:18:01,236 --> 00:18:04,076 Speaker 1: guys are actually stopping folks from doing the things that 354 00:18:04,076 --> 00:18:07,156 Speaker 1: they're doing to extract from the rainforest. We gave them 355 00:18:07,156 --> 00:18:12,996 Speaker 1: a better job. One of our most esteemed colleagues is 356 00:18:13,356 --> 00:18:15,476 Speaker 1: and he drives boat for us, and he does maintenance 357 00:18:15,476 --> 00:18:17,556 Speaker 1: for us. He does all this stuff. Name is Victor. 358 00:18:18,436 --> 00:18:22,196 Speaker 1: He was a logger. Wow, I mean with logging. He 359 00:18:22,276 --> 00:18:24,716 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, man, it's dangerous. The trees fall over 360 00:18:24,756 --> 00:18:26,956 Speaker 1: and there's snakes and all the stuff, and you gotta 361 00:18:26,996 --> 00:18:29,036 Speaker 1: be out there cutting and it's weeks on end away 362 00:18:29,036 --> 00:18:31,956 Speaker 1: from your family. And I was like, what if you 363 00:18:31,996 --> 00:18:33,876 Speaker 1: came to us because you're like an expert on the 364 00:18:33,956 --> 00:18:35,316 Speaker 1: river now right, And he's like, yeah, I know, this 365 00:18:35,436 --> 00:18:37,156 Speaker 1: river like came back of my hand. I was like, okay, 366 00:18:37,556 --> 00:18:40,316 Speaker 1: so what if you drive travelers up and down and 367 00:18:41,156 --> 00:18:43,556 Speaker 1: help us out with what we do? And he was like, well, 368 00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:45,116 Speaker 1: what else? And I was like, well that's really it. 369 00:18:45,196 --> 00:18:47,596 Speaker 1: And he's like, so I get good food, a clean bed, 370 00:18:47,716 --> 00:18:49,276 Speaker 1: I get to hang out with people that I've never 371 00:18:49,316 --> 00:18:51,756 Speaker 1: met before. And he was like, and you're gonna pay 372 00:18:51,796 --> 00:18:53,596 Speaker 1: me more? And I was like yeah. I was like, 373 00:18:53,636 --> 00:18:56,436 Speaker 1: what is logging pain? And he's like fifty souls to day. 374 00:18:56,476 --> 00:18:59,916 Speaker 1: I was like, bro, let's make it a hundred. I mean, 375 00:19:00,036 --> 00:19:01,996 Speaker 1: but really no, it's so cheap. It's so cheap. They're 376 00:19:02,036 --> 00:19:05,476 Speaker 1: working for a wage that is keeping them poor and starving. 377 00:19:05,476 --> 00:19:07,076 Speaker 1: And it's like when we started tim and do it, 378 00:19:07,116 --> 00:19:08,276 Speaker 1: one of the things we said was, if we're going 379 00:19:08,316 --> 00:19:11,756 Speaker 1: to bring people that have the resources to travel, yeah, 380 00:19:11,916 --> 00:19:13,956 Speaker 1: make sure that the local team is paid in such 381 00:19:13,956 --> 00:19:17,076 Speaker 1: a way that they're not just getting paid like a 382 00:19:17,236 --> 00:19:20,276 Speaker 1: like a day wage, that they're professionals at what they do. 383 00:19:20,596 --> 00:19:23,716 Speaker 1: And well, like, are you guys just the jobs creating 384 00:19:23,876 --> 00:19:26,396 Speaker 1: organization or do you guys ever find yourself in situations 385 00:19:26,396 --> 00:19:29,676 Speaker 1: where you have to do maybe like documentation and prosecuting 386 00:19:29,716 --> 00:19:32,916 Speaker 1: And you know, what does patrolling look like for you? 387 00:19:33,596 --> 00:19:36,036 Speaker 1: Because I imagine you guys don't have you know, a 388 00:19:36,076 --> 00:19:39,476 Speaker 1: big backing like organization. You're not necessarily the FBI of 389 00:19:39,516 --> 00:19:42,036 Speaker 1: the rainforest. So how do you get you know, the 390 00:19:42,396 --> 00:19:45,676 Speaker 1: type of you know, the type of executive branch stopping 391 00:19:45,676 --> 00:19:48,396 Speaker 1: power to actually get in there and um and and 392 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:52,356 Speaker 1: and and stop you know, stop the extractions. And you're right, 393 00:19:52,556 --> 00:19:55,116 Speaker 1: I'm excited about this one thing about how we've been 394 00:19:55,116 --> 00:19:57,956 Speaker 1: able to convert so many people. But you can't do 395 00:19:57,996 --> 00:20:00,676 Speaker 1: that for everybody. We can't just make you know, five 396 00:20:00,756 --> 00:20:03,676 Speaker 1: thousand jobs. You can't do that. So yeah, on a 397 00:20:03,756 --> 00:20:08,316 Speaker 1: normal day, our rangers are patrolling and monitoring wildlife, so 398 00:20:08,356 --> 00:20:10,636 Speaker 1: they're they're checking, you know, where the spider monkeys are, 399 00:20:10,756 --> 00:20:15,556 Speaker 1: do you see jaguar tracks. Enforcement is something we do 400 00:20:15,676 --> 00:20:18,716 Speaker 1: periodically where it's like, when we need enforcement, we collaborate 401 00:20:18,716 --> 00:20:21,716 Speaker 1: with the police. And then because it's keru, a lot 402 00:20:21,716 --> 00:20:23,596 Speaker 1: of times we have to actually pay the police to 403 00:20:23,636 --> 00:20:26,116 Speaker 1: come out and do their job out there. But in 404 00:20:26,196 --> 00:20:27,956 Speaker 1: order to get the police out there, they don't have 405 00:20:28,316 --> 00:20:30,676 Speaker 1: them too, they don't have the resources to do what 406 00:20:30,716 --> 00:20:33,316 Speaker 1: they're doing. Then when we say, hey, can you guys 407 00:20:33,356 --> 00:20:36,236 Speaker 1: take a three day trip out with us into the bush, 408 00:20:36,316 --> 00:20:38,596 Speaker 1: They're like yes, but it's got to be like, you know, gasoline, 409 00:20:38,596 --> 00:20:41,276 Speaker 1: you got to handle our bedding, food, There's a whole 410 00:20:41,276 --> 00:20:43,196 Speaker 1: bunch of things to basically we have to plan like 411 00:20:43,236 --> 00:20:48,356 Speaker 1: a wilderness expedition for them. And it's funny. I went 412 00:20:48,396 --> 00:20:51,236 Speaker 1: with friends the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens not that long ago, 413 00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:55,316 Speaker 1: and the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens are currently fighting a developer 414 00:20:55,356 --> 00:20:58,236 Speaker 1: that wants to put up a building that will shield 415 00:20:58,316 --> 00:21:02,076 Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens from all their sunlight. Yeah, to 416 00:21:02,116 --> 00:21:05,396 Speaker 1: reinforest where it's like, we gotta get everybody to know 417 00:21:05,436 --> 00:21:07,036 Speaker 1: about it. First, we got to start up, we gotta 418 00:21:07,196 --> 00:21:10,196 Speaker 1: have you know, fundraising and storytelling campaign, and we got 419 00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,996 Speaker 1: to get people upset about this and not knowing about this, 420 00:21:13,076 --> 00:21:15,236 Speaker 1: and then we have to hire lawyers. And we found 421 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,796 Speaker 1: after COVID that there were like I think it was 422 00:21:17,956 --> 00:21:21,716 Speaker 1: seventeen football fields cut right in one of the core 423 00:21:21,796 --> 00:21:24,276 Speaker 1: areas that we're protecting, and it was like, who are 424 00:21:24,276 --> 00:21:26,556 Speaker 1: these people? If we had to do some drone flights 425 00:21:26,596 --> 00:21:28,956 Speaker 1: over then we had to take that information back to 426 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:32,316 Speaker 1: the city, show the law enforcement try and get them 427 00:21:32,316 --> 00:21:34,596 Speaker 1: out there. But then the people had heard us coming 428 00:21:34,636 --> 00:21:36,436 Speaker 1: and they ran away, so there's no one to arrest. 429 00:21:36,436 --> 00:21:40,396 Speaker 1: And it's like it's absolutely brutal work, but that is 430 00:21:40,516 --> 00:21:42,076 Speaker 1: day to day, that is what we're doing. We are 431 00:21:42,116 --> 00:21:45,756 Speaker 1: just putting out little fires, trying to trying to protect 432 00:21:45,836 --> 00:21:48,916 Speaker 1: this one river because that is right now. That's what 433 00:21:48,956 --> 00:21:58,636 Speaker 1: we can do. Tell me what listeners can do if 434 00:21:58,676 --> 00:22:00,876 Speaker 1: they want to help with conservation or learn more about 435 00:22:00,916 --> 00:22:04,116 Speaker 1: your work. Thousands of people donate small amounts, even like 436 00:22:04,156 --> 00:22:06,476 Speaker 1: five dollars, two dollars, I mean, there's also people that 437 00:22:06,516 --> 00:22:09,076 Speaker 1: do a thousand dollars. But whatever it is, it helps 438 00:22:09,156 --> 00:22:12,236 Speaker 1: to go straight to paying our rangers, getting gasoline for 439 00:22:12,276 --> 00:22:16,356 Speaker 1: our boats, scientific equipment, camera traps. It's the most direct 440 00:22:16,396 --> 00:22:19,836 Speaker 1: way to protect the Amazon. And then of course there's 441 00:22:19,916 --> 00:22:23,116 Speaker 1: all the other things like you know, being a responsible consumer, 442 00:22:23,476 --> 00:22:26,676 Speaker 1: not eating fast food beef. I mean, beef is one 443 00:22:26,716 --> 00:22:29,396 Speaker 1: of the largest contributors to deforestation in the Amazon because 444 00:22:29,396 --> 00:22:32,876 Speaker 1: they go and they cut down huge areas for cattle 445 00:22:32,876 --> 00:22:36,076 Speaker 1: farming and it just destroying the Amazon. So there's there's 446 00:22:36,116 --> 00:22:39,476 Speaker 1: also just at this point like getting sharing stuff like 447 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:41,836 Speaker 1: on social media, the fact that people share, the fact 448 00:22:41,836 --> 00:22:44,716 Speaker 1: that when the fires came out that people shared that video, 449 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:47,636 Speaker 1: got it to the news, got it to people that 450 00:22:47,916 --> 00:22:51,636 Speaker 1: now are big time plunders and actually put some serious 451 00:22:51,636 --> 00:22:53,716 Speaker 1: fuel behind this work and make us able to do 452 00:22:53,796 --> 00:22:57,076 Speaker 1: this work. So it really is like it is a 453 00:22:57,116 --> 00:23:00,116 Speaker 1: solvable thing. It is, you know, in conservation. At the 454 00:23:00,196 --> 00:23:01,436 Speaker 1: end of the day, what we're trying to do is 455 00:23:01,796 --> 00:23:04,356 Speaker 1: not cut down a tree. You know, giraffes aren't going 456 00:23:04,356 --> 00:23:05,916 Speaker 1: to go extinct on their own. It's only if we 457 00:23:06,076 --> 00:23:10,076 Speaker 1: kill them. So like, this is a very solvable problem. 458 00:23:10,116 --> 00:23:12,236 Speaker 1: We just need humans to focus for a second. So 459 00:23:12,356 --> 00:23:15,036 Speaker 1: really keeping it as part of the dialogue, helping good 460 00:23:15,036 --> 00:23:19,276 Speaker 1: conservation organizations all over the world traveling the eco tourism 461 00:23:19,316 --> 00:23:21,476 Speaker 1: thing still works. Support you know, whether it's Costa Rica 462 00:23:21,556 --> 00:23:25,116 Speaker 1: or Africa or Peru. Come see the work we're doing. 463 00:23:25,356 --> 00:23:29,436 Speaker 1: Get out there. Thanks for being on the show. I 464 00:23:29,476 --> 00:23:31,636 Speaker 1: really appreciate you. This has been great and I really 465 00:23:31,676 --> 00:23:34,116 Speaker 1: appreciate you. Avenue. You've really brought the rain for us 466 00:23:34,196 --> 00:23:36,636 Speaker 1: to life for me. I appreciate it man. And just this, 467 00:23:36,836 --> 00:23:39,236 Speaker 1: you know, sharing the news and people being able to 468 00:23:39,276 --> 00:23:41,356 Speaker 1: hear this, that's important. That's how we do this, that's 469 00:23:41,356 --> 00:23:43,676 Speaker 1: how we get it done. So thank you for helping 470 00:23:43,716 --> 00:23:45,916 Speaker 1: us protect the forest. Really appreciate it. Good talking with 471 00:23:45,916 --> 00:23:53,076 Speaker 1: you man. Absolutely keep the snakes away from me. Paul 472 00:23:53,156 --> 00:23:56,836 Speaker 1: Rosley is a conservationist, author and award winning filmmaker. He's 473 00:23:56,876 --> 00:24:00,156 Speaker 1: the co founder of Tom and Dua Expeditions and Jungle Keepers. 474 00:24:01,116 --> 00:24:04,156 Speaker 1: You can find links to those organizations and the information 475 00:24:04,196 --> 00:24:09,076 Speaker 1: about the Brooklyn Botanical Gardens in our show notes. Solvable 476 00:24:09,316 --> 00:24:13,916 Speaker 1: is produced by Jocelyn Frank, Research by David Jah, Booking 477 00:24:14,156 --> 00:24:18,556 Speaker 1: by Lisa Dunn, Editing help from Kishell Williams. Our managing 478 00:24:18,596 --> 00:24:22,956 Speaker 1: producer is Sashimathias, and our executive producer is Mia LaBelle. 479 00:24:23,516 --> 00:24:25,516 Speaker 1: From all of us on the Solvable team and the 480 00:24:25,556 --> 00:24:29,676 Speaker 1: Pushkin family, we hope you learned ideas and strategies that 481 00:24:29,796 --> 00:24:33,556 Speaker 1: you'll use to make your community and the world better places. 482 00:24:34,476 --> 00:24:37,076 Speaker 1: I'm Ronald Young, Junior. Thanks for listening.