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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Ozone Podcast, presented by by Star Credit Union,

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Speaker 1: featuring Jaguar Serio writer John Oser and executive producer Dave

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Speaker 1: to Canvas. I can't tell you how excited I am

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Speaker 1: about this week. It's um It's funny when you've done

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Speaker 1: this as long as I have, you get the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to feel old. And I certainly feel old today because

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Speaker 1: I'm My guest is somebody that I worked with twenty

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Speaker 1: six or twenty seven years ago. He has gone on

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Speaker 1: to much bigger and better things. Meanwhile, I have too

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Speaker 1: in a way. But my guest this week is Steve

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Speaker 1: Wish of the NFL Network. And I think people know

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Speaker 1: Steve from seeing him on the broadcast in the NFL Network,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure they realize how knowledgeable is about

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Speaker 1: the NFL and how wide ranging his background is. Steve,

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Speaker 1: we were just talking NBA big time in your background

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Speaker 1: and college football, which we covered the University of Florida.

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Speaker 1: I guess from a purely curiosity standpoint for me, how

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Speaker 1: has all that helped? How did your NBA stuff help

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Speaker 1: with the transition to the NFL. Because it's a little unusual.

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Speaker 1: Most NFL guys have been NFL guys since they were

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Speaker 1: in the business. Yeah, you know, I think you know,

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Speaker 1: there are some of the NBA guys who are doing

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Speaker 1: the NFL. And the biggest way it helped this isn't

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Speaker 1: so much you know, the sports to competitiveness and things

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Speaker 1: like that, but it's it's the interpersonal skills in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: the access that you that I had two locker rooms,

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Speaker 1: we had fifteen guys, We had access up until ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes before tip off, right, and then you're also dealing

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Speaker 1: So you're around these people for eighty two games plus

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Speaker 1: preseason and postseason. So how do you navigate that basically

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Speaker 1: a big family for all that period um of a

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Speaker 1: season and then in all season maintain relationships, dame trust

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Speaker 1: and still be able to really serve the readers at

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Speaker 1: the time of the newspaper. So that was the big

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Speaker 1: transition because you come to the NFL, the access is

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Speaker 1: and nearly what it was in the n b A.

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Speaker 1: But you realize the NFL is king right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so many more people pay attention to the NFL when

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Speaker 1: it's more about how to work a locker room, how

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Speaker 1: to work a front office, how to work out coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: When I say work it, it's not manipulate, it's how

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Speaker 1: to navigate and established a human element of everything that

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Speaker 1: really crosses all the boundaries of you know what you

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Speaker 1: do you know in our job, because it is often

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Speaker 1: a very fine line to cross that you never really

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Speaker 1: want to get blurred. Yeah, it's uh. I did the

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Speaker 1: Pacers when I was in Indianapolis. I did the Pacers,

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Speaker 1: not nearly on the level that you covered the beat

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Speaker 1: I was stringing for NBA dot Com, but it was

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing difference. I had always done the NFL

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Speaker 1: and college football before that, and the strangeness to me

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Speaker 1: such a different dynamic and for the listeners, you don't

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Speaker 1: or coaches before a game. So that's always been sort

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Speaker 1: of sacred territory to me, meaning you just don't talk

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Speaker 1: don't talk to him until you're getting reaction. And in

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Speaker 1: before they even you know, lace them up in the

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Speaker 1: in the evening. So the pace of that coverage, Steve

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Speaker 1: used to it. Your body clock is a different thing

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Speaker 1: when you're covering an NBA beat as opposed to an

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Speaker 1: really got to do those relationships. They have to respect you.

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Speaker 1: You also have to have them realize that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: write things they don't like. So I imagine walking that

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Speaker 1: the NFL, and quickly before we transition. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the NBA was so cool because the players have guaranteed contracts, right,

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Speaker 1: so in terms of them biting their tongue, that didn't

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget, you know, when I covered the Miami Heat.

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Speaker 1: was like Steve, we know you can't always write good

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Speaker 1: guy that you really you know, always get both sides.

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Speaker 1: Never ambush somebody, because that's the big Journalism has really

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Speaker 1: and to this day, I can't do that. It just

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Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me if I can't get in

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Speaker 1: the NFL has got so many more filters when it

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Speaker 1: comes to you, like you only get quarterbacks once a week, right, John,

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Speaker 1: Your quarterbacks once a week. When I come to the NBA,

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Speaker 1: this about your guy. That's good journalism. And too often

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Speaker 1: right now, we're for the quick to get it up online,

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Speaker 1: and we neglect that step. And that's how come we

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Speaker 1: have so much you know, distrust, blurred lines, people picking

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Speaker 1: I really hate how that part of a lot of

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Speaker 1: professionalism has been co opted in the name of clicks

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Speaker 1: personal blog things like that. Yeah, I wonder if it's

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Speaker 1: if somebody has been doing as long as you have

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Speaker 1: um the off season of the Jags, which for us

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Speaker 1: here covering it, obviously, it's always the storyline. But I

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Speaker 1: how much different is it in terms of Jaguars being

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Speaker 1: on your radar this offseason. I've got to think maybe

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Speaker 1: as much as any offseason since you've been doing this.

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Speaker 1: This team is on your radar. Between urban Meyer and

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Speaker 1: between whoever they might take a quarterback seat. Yeah, good

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Speaker 1: change of philosophy organizationally there. So yeah, absolutely, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: But Deshaun Watson, your gut on how that plays out,

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Speaker 1: But I think we're gonna get into some real ugly stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: If they get better, someone else is gonna be hired

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Speaker 1: just it's a it's an ugly situation. John. So many

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekends, Dave and me, why not, might as well,

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Speaker 1: might as well have the combine, have the combine right

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Speaker 1: during the Baseball All Star Game, and and we could

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Speaker 1: do all that, But no, I know it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: seventeen in three. All indications are just want I guess

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Speaker 1: the final question about how you think the season will

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Speaker 1: look next year. I know there's a lot to predict

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Speaker 1: in terms of covid um any early thoughts on that,

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Speaker 1: are we too far away from it? Or how do

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Speaker 1: you see the year playing out in terms of that? Well,

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Speaker 1: let's keep our fingers crossed, you know, with the vaccination,

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Speaker 1: the numbers coming down. Um, hopefully people just kind of

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Speaker 1: not getting too far ahead of themselves, will see coming

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Speaker 1: up in a couple of weeks in spring break. Um,

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Speaker 1: what happens, you know, if we're gonna get too far

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Speaker 1: ahead of themselves, but let's hope that. You know, the

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Speaker 1: stadiums are full. Let's let's you know, John, you saw

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Speaker 1: it was so weird having to cover a game with

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Speaker 1: no fans. I mean, I don't I think covered one

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Speaker 1: game in Miami where there were ten thousand fans and

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Speaker 1: it sounded like a Roman lion fight, right, I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: because I covered games in the brand new Sofi Stadium

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Speaker 1: with the rams and the charges out here in l

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Speaker 1: A or you know, in some other venues in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of stadium in the NFL with

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Speaker 1: no fans and the fact that these players coaches can

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Speaker 1: focus when you really are playing in silence um for

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Speaker 1: four quarters, which was just amazing. So I would think

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Speaker 1: hopefully that the fans will be back, We're going to

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Speaker 1: have your typical game day situations, because if the fans

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Speaker 1: come back, you're gonna have tailgating, um, You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: all those types of scenarios. Now, I do think in

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Speaker 1: terms of like what we do, I do think that

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Speaker 1: at least some of the media situations will be virtual.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know forever, we're gonna be allowed

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Speaker 1: in a in a locker room post game, right, they

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Speaker 1: may have to bring people out into designated UM interview areas. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would think they'll bring out people to designated areas.

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Speaker 1: I do think it would be similar to that during

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Speaker 1: the practice week as well. We couldn't necessarily get into

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Speaker 1: locker rooms UM and maybe once and once or twice

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Speaker 1: a week we're doing virtual interviews. Which I don't think

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Speaker 1: even we in the media would mind, you know, on

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Speaker 1: a Monday, which is typical, you know, there's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of player availability, it's just a coach. Let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and do it virtually right. Monday, Friday can get

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Speaker 1: away with. I'd hate to lose Wednesday and Thursday because

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Speaker 1: you can tell, well hate that. And then plus building

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Speaker 1: the trust we've gone to hold. Look, by the correct

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Speaker 1: we went a whole season without having a face to

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Speaker 1: face conversation with rookies, free agents, new coaches at any level.

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Speaker 1: So it's all this trust is here, and that's a

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Speaker 1: weird that's that's a weird dynamic. Especially to kind of

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Speaker 1: go back to how we lead this off, like when

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Speaker 1: the NBA, when you're such an intimate situation and you

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Speaker 1: really build great relationships, could be negative whatever, but not

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Speaker 1: having that which was a very odd thing, you know

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Speaker 1: for me and you and I'm sure so. But in

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Speaker 1: terms of the fans, you know, again, let's keep our

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Speaker 1: fingers crossed that you know, we we get the vaccines

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Speaker 1: and people that the statents could at least because I

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Speaker 1: know they say something, you know, a fifty seventy five percent.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, look, if you're talking, you're still talking people.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the difference between forty and sixty if

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Speaker 1: it's shoulder to shoulder or arms length to arms length.

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Speaker 1: I mean that many people. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: where you I mean, I just don't know where the

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Speaker 1: where the difference um would lie. Um. But you know,

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Speaker 1: more than aything, I really just hope you know, as

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Speaker 1: as a nation, um, you know, we kind of come

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Speaker 1: together and get this get this thing under control. Is

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Speaker 1: not as much as I want to go to football games,

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Speaker 1: I want to go see a good concert, like so so,

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Speaker 1: so like, what what's the first concert you want to

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Speaker 1: go to? What's the send me? Who you gonna trying

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Speaker 1: to go see? My man? Probably little Wayne out of here?

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Speaker 1: Uh um no, probably Uh you have a country music

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Speaker 1: guy now you know as I've gotten older, so probably

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Speaker 1: Jason Isbell is not quite country, but uh you know

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Speaker 1: drive by Trucker's Jason Isbel something along those lines. So

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's sort of my jam is it? As

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Speaker 1: the young kids say, now, yeah, I'm actually I mean

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Speaker 1: to go to a good Leon Bridges, Okay, show you

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Speaker 1: actual Leon. You know, I'm not trying to be out

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Speaker 1: there at Coachella style, bro working, no doubt. Two final things. First,

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Speaker 1: tell me about your podcast you got to do with

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Speaker 1: Jim Trotter. It's a fascinating you know, it's so it's

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Speaker 1: The Huddle, the Huddle and Flow podcast where you can

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Speaker 1: find on Spotify, iTunes, wherever you get your podcast. But

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Speaker 1: it's Jim Trotter and I. You know, we've got god

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Speaker 1: probably at least three decades four decades of covering the

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Speaker 1: NFL in there, but you know, we were a little

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Speaker 1: Fortunately we've we've gotten some major heavy hitters on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: ranging from uh, you know, Patrick Mahomes to Arthur Blank,

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Speaker 1: the Falcon's owner, to Pelhoadad O'Brien, Chuck d of Public Enemy.

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Speaker 1: We cover a lot of issues, a lot of ground.

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Speaker 1: They're all kind of sports centered within the tentacles really

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Speaker 1: spawn off to society news, uh, journalism, kind of whatever.

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Speaker 1: The topic of the day is. Our most recent one,

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Speaker 1: we had Kelvin Beach him, you know, he's kind of

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Speaker 1: a backup, has been an offensive lineman inventor for years,

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Speaker 1: but he's one of the leaders of the Players Coalition

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about them bridging the digital divide to

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Speaker 1: educate people in this country because you know, you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks who can't even have WiFi or

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Speaker 1: don't have laptops, so they're supposed to educate their kids. Virtually,

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Speaker 1: I can't do it. So it's a really great discussion.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it's been real successful. We've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of great feedback, so I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: bringing that up. I know we're way away from even

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Speaker 1: a season, but Jaguars re build, how fascinating will it

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Speaker 1: be to you? And how long do you see it

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Speaker 1: taking before they sort of get their meaning get back

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Speaker 1: into the flow. Well, Trevor Lawrence is what he is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not gonna take too long. Um. I just

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Speaker 1: I really hope they don't do anything like crazy knee

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Speaker 1: jerk like saying, Okay, let's go out, let's pay three

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Speaker 1: major contracts to to wide receivers and one to a

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Speaker 1: corner Well, you know it might be a two or

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Speaker 1: three year deal. You want to find people who are

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Speaker 1: gonna fit what Urban Meyer wants to do with this

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Speaker 1: coaching staff wants to and to fit the personality. Build

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Speaker 1: up those trenches, man, you gotta build up that D line,

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Speaker 1: that front seven um as we saw the Buccaneers showed

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Speaker 1: how valuable you know, having that does. And I think,

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Speaker 1: I think you really need to work on an offensive

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Speaker 1: line and the defensive line to be able to stop

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Speaker 1: the run in this division. You know, the Colton Titans

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Speaker 1: are coming with it. That's not going to change and

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Speaker 1: they be able to block and protect Trevor Lawrence and

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Speaker 1: run the ball yourself. And I think again that steady,

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Speaker 1: that steady progress. And John, we've seen the NFL. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't take long, right, it does not take along.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think about the Ramp. It took to

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Speaker 1: two years under Sean McVeigh. You know where we're seeing

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur knock on the door of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: two years head coaching. So it doesn't take long. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you build things the right way and don't try

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Speaker 1: to go for the short term. Fis Steve, I could

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Speaker 1: talk to you all day. I know you're a busy man.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for joining the Other Dune podcast.

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Speaker 1: I hope people will listen to Huddle and Flow. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us. Steve White, Hey, John Omshan, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much. Brun