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The topic that we're gonna 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:33.520 talk about on this episode is shot placement on black 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:38.280 bear and we're gonna get into several different topics that 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.920 are highly relevant. But before we get into the episode, 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:44.040 I want to introduce who I've got with me here. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:50.560 I have directly to my left, Ryan No greb Ryan Grab. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.600 Ryan is Uh a long time good friend of mine. 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.440 And Ryan was killing bears while my mama was still 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:08.640 wiping my knows. It's true now Ryan has Ryan's traveled 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:13.760 with me all over Canada. But more than that, Ryan's 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.640 hunted in Arkansas for years. Ryan's been on the podcast before, 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.080 but he's he's hunted bears in Arkansas since well for 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:25.120 years and years, killed a lot of big bears, bow 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:29.120 hunted bears a lot, and so I consider Ryan an 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.040 expert for sure. So he's here. And then on my 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.360 right someone that you well, Kobe has been on this 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:41.880 podcast before. I've got Colby moorehead. Colby has is now 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.039 news to all of everybody. He's working full time for 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.720 Bear Hunting Magazine. So Kolbe is also a longtime friend 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.159 of mine that uh is now he's full time working 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.279 for Bear Hunting Magazine helping us with all kinds of stuff. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.679 So if you ever call the global headquarters, you'll probably 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.520 talked to Colby. And Colby is a bear hunter. He's 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.600 a new bear hunter, went on his first bear hunt 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.159 back in the fall and took a really nice bear. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.520 And so we've got a good mix right here and 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:17.360 that um, we've we've got a lot of experience. But also, um, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.160 you know, Koby's new to bear hunt, so you might 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.400 have some questions or you might hear us talking to 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.360 might have some insight and something that somebody else might have. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.640 I just feel sorry for him what he is to 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.680 hang with you here in the office during the every day, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.880 all day and he's right underneath the big bear over here. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.040 You need to make him a cubicle over here where 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.760 you don't have to look at you like, box him in. Yeah, 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.960 we can box him in. But well, hey, let's let's 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.080 jump right into this and I'll kind of give the 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.799 precursor to why this is relevant. Most people in North America, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.640 most of the guys that are listening to this podcast, 0:05:54.720 --> 0:06:01.120 have been trained on whitetail deer anatomy for shooting, well, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:06.520 for shooting any big game. We've been trained to hunt ungulates, deer, elk, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.520 moose that all have a really similar body structure. They 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:14.000 have a similar bone structure, they have a similar um 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:19.120 anatomical or organ structure. But they also have short hair, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.600 they don't have big layers of fat. And so basically, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.960 shooting a bear is different than shooting and ungulate, and 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:31.479 there's lots of different variables inside of it that are 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.360 important for a first time bear hunter or even a 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.640 veteran bear hunter. I mean, the truth is that in 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.880 most situations, and right would you agree with this most situations, 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.680 if you just took a deer hunter out and didn't 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.640 tell him anything, he could probably go out and shoot 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:50.440 a bear. I mean and not have any problem, but 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.400 in the finer tuned points of bear hunting. And if 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.320 you took that same guy, and this is the way 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.120 I would describe it, if you took that same guy 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:01.520 that was trained as the white tail hunter and put 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.280 him on ten bear hunts, I'm gonna say three of 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:10.200 those ten he's gonna mess up simply because of lack 0:07:10.280 --> 0:07:14.800 of understanding of a few principles. I mean, is that 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.040 a good? And that is that a good? Yeah? You know, 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:23.160 bear postures constantly changing, you know, Yeah, you're looking for 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.800 that broadside shot more often than not. I mean, dear, 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.679 that's preferred to shot anyway, but a lot of people 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.320 take the quartering away shots. But you know, bears, the 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:38.680 if you can get that broadside, that's usually money. Yeah. Well, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.840 let's start off by talking about bar anatomy. I read 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.840 a a article that was written very recently that was 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.120 circulating on uh Facebook, clicked on it. It was about 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.640 ten ten I think it was ten things about spring 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.840 bear hunting, and one of them was about a shot placement. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:01.960 And this this author said that bear organs are further 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.640 forward than a deer, which I want to quickly say 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:11.600 is exactly opposite of what I have found, not just 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.640 in what I've read, but we did the first year 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.960 had Barrenting magazine. We killed We went up to Alberta 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.720 and we killed six bears in five days. We actually 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:26.720 did a knee cropsy on a bear where we took 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.440 the carcass with all the internal organs inside and stripped 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.760 off the layers of rib or the stripped off the 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.280 rib meat so that you could see into the rib 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.560 cage and tried to determine like where the lungs would layout. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.120 And man, we made some incredible diagrams that were in 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:49.720 Barrehunting Magazine. They're also online. And to make a short summary, 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.319 bare vitals are slightly further back than a white tail. 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:59.360 Would you agree with that? Right? So there, so let 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:03.320 me just say that is a big premise of black 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.280 bear shot placement and brown bear for that matter. The 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.080 vitals they're not it's not like they're just like in 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.800 the middle of the body, but they extend slightly further back. 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.400 I found that the lungs of these bears went all 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.400 the way back to the very last rib, which, if 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.800 you can imagine shooting a white tail at the very 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.760 last rib, you'd be pretty far back. You would kill that. 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.200 You'd kill the deer because you'd get liver. But the 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.319 lungs of I mean the very tip of that long 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:38.160 and I'm not saying that all the way back at 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.559 the last rib there was eight inches of lung. That's 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:44.120 what I'm saying. That the lungs are like oblong shaped, 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.560 you know, they're like they're like long and deep towards 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.839 the front of the animal and they go back like this. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.880 And so the back to the very last rib there 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.280 was a little bit of lung. So I'm not saying 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.800 that's where you want to hit them. The second part 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.280 of that, Kolbe has some experience with this, Kobe, you 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.520 really made a mistake by shooting the bear far back 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.520 on the first hunt. Ever with me, you were like 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.000 the prime target to just make an example out of. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.000 But you got the right posture for it. Here. I'm 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:16.640 glad I could take on that for everyone. Oh man, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.679 it was on video. It was all there. But for 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.640 whatever reason, and this perhaps is it has to do 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:30.000 with the anatomical structure of the bear. But you can 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.040 shoot a bear further back than a white tail and 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.040 be okay. There was an article that we had published 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.559 a few years years ago called the middle of the Middle, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.960 which there are a lot of Canadian outfitters that tell 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:45.959 their clients to shoot a bear in the middle. And 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.400 I think the way it started out was they said, hey, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.520 shoot the bear in the middle, and the client said, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.240 what do you mean the middle? And the guy in 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.800 the outfitter goes the middle of the middle, I mean 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.120 straight up middle of the bear, and uh what This 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.199 article is written by a guy named Rob Knives, Saskatchewan 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.240 outfitter that I know, and uh he was taught that 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.880 by some other old outfitters. And man, when you shoot 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.800 in the middle of the middle, you have a lot 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.480 of room for air. And that's the whole point of it, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.360 a lot of room for air. Now, I do not 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.040 suggest I don't like shooting them in the middle of 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.760 the middle. I like to go about four inches back 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.680 towards the shoulder from the middle of the middle. And 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.360 when I say the middle of the middle, I'm talking 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.040 about the distance between the front legs and the back legs. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.000 I'm not including like the head of the bear, but 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.040 like the middle of the middle. I like to go 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:42.360 about three to four inches back towards the shoulder. So 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:47.440 slightly further back. Then then you would like try to 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:49.640 heart shoot a bear. And that's maybe the biggest thing 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.400 that's different about bear hunt bear hunting versus deer hunting 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.600 is that as deer hunters, we were always taught to 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.640 try to heart shoot the deer. Okay, which would be 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.040 low and tight. You don't want to do that with 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.320 a bear, do you agree, Ryan? I agree. You've got 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.280 all that hair hanging down below. You know that hair, 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:09.080 it could be two inches long, could be four inches long, 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.000 So definitely want to try to get it the vertical 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:18.640 line in the middle the body. Yeah. You The problem 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.880 with low and tight on him on a bear is 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:26.120 that what Ryan said, Imagine a big, mature board that's 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:31.160 got two inches of fat beneath the rib cage. He's 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:36.720 also got hair that's a minimum of two inches, but 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.600 could be hanging down as much as four inches, And 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.240 so what you perceive as a silhouette at the bottom 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:47.520 of that bear is actually probably six to eight inches above. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:51.960 That would be vital. And so a veteran bow hunter 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.760 that was hunting with me at one time who had 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.360 taken a lot of white tails with a bow, I 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.960 mean ate a lot of white tails bear hunting for 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.520 first time, and he just tried to heart shoot this bear, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.640 I mean, just low and tight, and he ten ringed 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.640 right where he was aiming. We never found that bear, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.280 totally hit it in the brisket and he was fooled 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:18.600 by the silhouette of that bear. Um. Now have you 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.640 ever have you ever hit a bear low and tight? 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.920 I don't think I ever have. Now the two thousand 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.880 and sixteen up Uh bear pro Safar as you know, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.400 shot that one low and back, but I've never shot 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:32.839 one low and forward. I wasn't sure if you had, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.120 because I have another story of a friend of ours 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.960 here in Arkansas that had a monster bear come in 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.480 and it was just kind of one of those deals. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:44.600 Or I think he would say he was probably just 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.440 on autopilot and was just trying to heart shoot it 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.000 and shot low and tight. And it was a big bear, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.120 so it was exaggerated, long hair, lots of fat, thick 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.079 rib cade and so I mean he just basically shot 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.679 the bear in the brisket where if it had been 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:01.400 a white tail, he would tendering that that's a big 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.880 deal with black bears that you don't want to do 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.040 with archery shots. Is low and tight. You want to 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.040 be further up and number Another thing is that a 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.040 bear doesn't jump the string like a white tail. I mean, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.280 especially with the with video and all the stuff on 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:20.680 that we're seeing now almost a hundred percent of the 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.720 time these white tails are dropping at the sound of 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.920 an arrow, even if you still kill the deer. I mean, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.200 like we've killed all these deer with bows not on film, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.680 and you just you kill this steer. Those deer dropping 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:37.320 a lot, sometimes dropping sixteen inches before the era gets 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.760 there like a thirty yard shot. A white tail as 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.280 a prey and only as a flight response to danger, 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.160 a massive quick flight response. A bear has some of 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.760 a flight response, but not near as much as a 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.600 white tail, would you agree in terms of dropping and going. 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:57.240 He's not on pins and needles all day long like 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.800 a deer is thinking he's gonna get eats an a 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.600 ex animal and probably stays relaxed, you know, most of 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:08.280 the day. So he's probably not sensing a lot of danger. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.720 And so the translation of that into bear shot placement 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.280 is that you don't have to aim low like as 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.000 bow hunters we've been taught to aim low on a deer. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.680 Man you don't want to hit low on a bear 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:26.160 because that silhouette is so deceptive. And I would say 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.120 that's the Those are the biggest things. Like, if we're 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.080 talking about shot placement slightly further back than a bear, 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.760 don't be afraid. Most people aim so far forward because 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.360 they're afraid to hit so far back because in the 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.880 white tail world we have been preached to our whole life, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.120 don't hit him far back, don't hit him far back. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.800 And honestly, I would rather hit a white tail far 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.720 back than I would further forward. I think people that 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.120 that has been preached us so much because guys have 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.280 really not been very good blood trailers. That's the truth. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.000 I've found that inside of my IT scursions, inside of 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.560 other hunting circles, is that guys sometimes make a shot 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.640 that they probably could recover that animal, but they really 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:12.200 don't have the skill to blood trail that animal, And 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.680 so a marginal shot all of a sudden becomes a 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.200 marginal but mortal shot becomes an unfounder. And obviously I'm 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.920 not suggesting shooting dear far back at all, but that 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.080 fear that's been put in us to hit an animal 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.000 too far back has pushed us forward to the animal. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.160 But with a bear, you can be a little bit 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.600 further back, a little more forgiving, little more forgiving if 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.920 you're hitting in that middle of the middle or you 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.800 know that that mid section from Kobe tell us about 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.640 your bear, just kind of like where about where you 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.760 perceived the shot to be. Yeah, it was. It was 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.920 a straight up gut shot, you know. Uh, I was 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.680 aiming like the middle of the middle, but then he 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.920 started moving and I was already in my shot sequence, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.680 so uh so like vertically it was in the middle, 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.840 and I think that was made things come together in 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:04.760 the end, just that and then backing off for the 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.680 night and waiting until the next morning to to look 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.680 for him. But I mean he was pretty riggered up, 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.359 like he had died, like he'd been dead. Awhile a 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.040 mechanical or fixed blood. No, I was shooting a four 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:22.960 bladed fixed Yeah. It passed through, passed all the way through. 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.760 I mean, it didn't get liver. It was like way 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:30.879 back and uh we we backed out, came back the 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.480 next day. And now, granted this is a situation where 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:38.000 somebody who didn't have a lot of experience might have 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:39.960 had a hard time trailing that bear. I'm not gonna 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.760 lie about that. But Corey Grant all trained, He's a 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.439 good blood trailer, and I mean we we just we 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:50.320 found just spots of blood. I mean just I mean 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.119 it was a tough trail, don't get me wrong, but 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.200 the bear ran probably two yards to fifty m h 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:00.439 and um, we easily recovered the bear. I mean, now 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.119 we had to. We had to fight for it a 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.080 little bit. I mean just in that there were times 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.639 when we lost it and we were going off a 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:09.000 scuff mark and the leaves going down the hill. But 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.399 I mean, you know, within forty five minutes we were 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.240 standing over the bear. Yeah. I think the thing that 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:16.119 surprised me was when the blood stopped hitting the ground 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.040 and you just started seeing smudge marks on the side 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.440 of trees. Yep. You gotta you gotta use everything in 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.119 your arsenal when you're telling any kind of animal. Like 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.600 if we had just been looking for bright red blood 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.920 drops on the ground, we would never found that bear. 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.719 But we were staying on game trails. We started splitting 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.680 up going down different game trails, and you you learn 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.600 to look at the backside of all these leaves because 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:42.800 this bear and we'll talk about how bears are notorious 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.200 within with a not ideal shot there, notorious for not 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.160 bleeding much. But the point is we found the bear 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.800 no problem. That's what these middle of the middle guys 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.760 say all the time. It's like they say they'd rather 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:00.159 have a gut shot bear than a bear that was 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.960 shot too far, low and forward, or shot straight in 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.600 the shoulder, you know, because you are not going to 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.800 break through a bare's shoulder with archer equipment, I don't believe. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.160 I mean, perhaps there's a you'd have to be very 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.160 lucky too. Yeah, you probably have to hit some kind 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.520 of artery something to even kill something with a far 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.080 forward shot lock at and he's you know, I've never 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.440 trailed a bear and recovered one as far as Kobe's. 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:33.040 You know, usually if you get yards, that's really that's 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:38.160 been your experience. Yeah, you know, I've had some bad shots, 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.440 and you know, I've trailed them jokers, like you say, 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:45.560 three hundred four hundred yards and on minimal blood never 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.159 find them. But usually a lethal shot on a bear, 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.960 you know, a hundred yards are less. They just don't 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.920 you know, they don't carry their weight that farest seems, 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.000 you know, they kind of give out quick if they're 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.800 hit good. Yeah, let's go ahead and jump into what 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.560 I was saying about how and how a bear bleeds 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.040 and the importance, the whole point of this is gonna 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:12.000 be the importance of getting two holes with so this 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.600 would factor into the shot angle, but also your equipment 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:18.240 that you're using. But a big priority with bear is 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.600 to get two holes. So it goes back to what 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.840 you said at the beginning. A broadside shot is what 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.000 you want. A broadside shot gives you the shortest distance 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:30.280 between two points when the era is going through and 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.040 even if the ara is not sticking in the ground 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.919 on the other side, but if the broadhead at least 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.920 penetrates the skin on the other side, you've got two 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.040 two holes. That bear is gonna bleed more. But bears 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.840 are notorious for not bleeding because they are they do 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:47.440 have a lot of fat, They do have a lot 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:49.520 of a lot of fur, which is like a mop. 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.119 I mean, it's soaking up some of that blood, not 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.959 all of it. And you know, if you just double 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.359 double lung tin ring a bear, I mean he's gonna 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.240 bleed pretty good. But when you get into that marginal category, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:07.200 like with Colby's if you had only gotten uh, had 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.359 one hole, didn't have an exit wound, you know, we 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.040 would have had a much more difficult time finding that bear. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.119 But he he was bleeding on two sides because we 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:19.800 got that penetration. And so that goes back to on whitetail. 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.160 A quarter and away shot is a pretty good shot. 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.840 Smaller animal, smaller bone, not a stick of hide, I'll 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.119 stick of hair. You could probably gonna you know, you're 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:31.560 probably gonna get a pass through. And unless you hit 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.480 that offside shoulder on a cord and away shot on 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.119 a deer, and I mean we even look for a 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:41.960 quarter and away shot on a deer oftentimes. Um, but boy, 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.040 you want to get you want to get two holes. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.919 The other thing about getting two holes is that most 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.480 bears are being shot out of tree stands, especially in 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:57.160 a bait situation. And if you get one hole from 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.240 a high elevated position, that means your entry hole is 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.159 gonna be high on that animal and that dude is 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:08.800 gonna bleed very little. You need a lower hole. Yep, 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.720 you know that's where you're gonna get you. I guess 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.680 you could set up a dungeon type set up where 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:18.360 you had a hole underneath, and whether you're shooting up 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:23.400 into the bears. Oh man, like dig a hole. It's 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:26.040 a whole new setup. You're supposed to laugh that cold 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:29.720 then your tree hole would be on the bottom of 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.640 the bear. That's for all those duck hunters out there, 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.040 they can just you know, ye like yeah, like a 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.760 like a duck hole, like a what would you call 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:45.440 that pit? Yes? Yes, well okay, so getting two olds okay, 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:49.719 and that even goes into your equipment. Like we at 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.880 Bear Hunting Magazine, we are pretty much adamant about not 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.640 using the expandables for bear Okay, there's gonna be a 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:59.200 ton of people that maybe even listen to this podcast 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.440 that will say that have killed bears with expandables, as 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:07.879 have I. But I have heard too many stories and 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.639 seen for myself too many examples of when they have 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:16.200 not performed as well as a fixed blade broadhead. I mean, 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:21.400 just by very principle, it does remove energy from an arrow. 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.520 For those blades to expand large cutting diameter is gonna 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:29.840 cause more friction on that arrow, reducing the energy driving 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.600 that arrow into the animal. If the whole objective is 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.080 to get two holes on a big animal, I mean 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.520