1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: you by Savage Arms. Now, we all know Savage makes 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: some awesome rifles, but did you know they've recently released 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: a new shotgun called the Renegade. Now, there's a lot 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: of awesome things about this shotgun, like it's ergonomic, well 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: balanced design, it's patented stock pad that knocks down recoil, 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: and something that these guys are very product proud of 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: called their drive gas system d r i V. And 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: what that stands for is dual regulating in line valve 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: gas system. 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We will 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: also bring you into some of the wildest country on 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: the planet, Chasing Bear. Happy spring, folks, It is go 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: time for black bear hunting in North America and we 22 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: ourselves as we speak, are in wild places hunting bears. 23 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: We are going to re release an episode called black 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Bear Shot Placement for Dummies. This is a this is 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: coming at a great time, and this is again a 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: really comprehensive conversation that we have that dissect the nitty 27 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: gritty nerd out just technical talk of bears in Bear 28 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: Hunting magazine, fun and conversational, long form fashion, fun stuff, 29 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: good stuff. You're gonna enjoy this podcast. Use some North 30 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: Woods bear products when you're baiting bears this spring. I 31 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: like the gold Rush friar grease additive. Had a guy 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: asked me today what you're supposed to do with that? 33 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: As you're supposed to port on the ground. If you're 34 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: supposed to pour it on the food, pour it on 35 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 1: the food, pour it on your bait. The grease that's 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: been that has the gold Rush in it. Hey, check 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: out our friends at w Hunting Supply. They they've started 38 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: a podcast. Check it out all right. Hey, while you're 39 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: at it, check out our friends at at Houndsman XP 40 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: podcast as well. Doing some good stuff and lastly, the 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: Western Bear Foundation, nonprofit hunting conservation organization standing up for 42 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: hunters out west, fighting the good fight, fighting the good 43 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: fight that you know, we humans have been hunting critters 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: with projectile points for a long time and there's people 45 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: that don't think that we should, and um, so we 46 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: have to. We have to support the organizations that are 47 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: fighting for our rights to be human. So I hope 48 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: you enjoy this episode, and I know you will if 49 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: you're interested in bears and good hunting, if you get 50 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: out into a wild place. The topic that we're gonna 51 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: talk about on this episode is shot placement on black 52 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: bear and we're gonna get into several different topics that 53 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: are highly relevant. But before we get into the episode, 54 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: I want to introduce who I've got with me here. 55 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: I have directly to my left, Ryan No greb Ryan Grab. 56 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Ryan is Uh a long time good friend of mine. 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: And Ryan was killing bears while my mama was still 58 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: wiping my knows. It's true now Ryan has Ryan's traveled 59 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: with me all over Canada. But more than that, Ryan's 60 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: hunted in Arkansas for years. Ryan's been on the podcast before, 61 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: but he's he's hunted bears in Arkansas since well for 62 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: years and years, killed a lot of big bears, bow 63 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: hunted bears a lot, and so I consider Ryan an 64 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: expert for sure. So he's here. And then on my 65 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: right someone that you well, Kobe has been on this 66 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: podcast before. I've got Colby moorehead. Colby has is now 67 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: news to all of everybody. He's working full time for 68 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine. So Kolbe is also a longtime friend 69 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: of mine that uh is now he's full time working 70 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: for Bear Hunting Magazine helping us with all kinds of stuff. 71 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: So if you ever call the global headquarters, you'll probably 72 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: talked to Colby. And Colby is a bear hunter. He's 73 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: a new bear hunter, went on his first bear hunt 74 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: back in the fall and took a really nice bear. 75 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: And so we've got a good mix right here and 76 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: that um, we've we've got a lot of experience. But also, um, 77 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, Koby's new to bear hunt, so you might 78 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: have some questions or you might hear us talking to 79 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: might have some insight and something that somebody else might have. 80 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: I just feel sorry for him what he is to 81 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: hang with you here in the office during the every day, 82 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: all day and he's right underneath the big bear over here. 83 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: You need to make him a cubicle over here where 84 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to look at you like, box him in. Yeah, 85 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: we can box him in. But well, hey, let's let's 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: jump right into this and I'll kind of give the 87 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: precursor to why this is relevant. Most people in North America, 88 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: most of the guys that are listening to this podcast, 89 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: have been trained on whitetail deer anatomy for shooting, well, 90 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: for shooting any big game. We've been trained to hunt ungulates, deer, elk, 91 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: moose that all have a really similar body structure. They 92 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: have a similar bone structure, they have a similar um 93 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: anatomical or organ structure. But they also have short hair, 94 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: they don't have big layers of fat. And so basically, 95 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: shooting a bear is different than shooting and ungulate, and 96 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: there's lots of different variables inside of it that are 97 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: important for a first time bear hunter or even a 98 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: veteran bear hunter. I mean, the truth is that in 99 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: most situations, and right would you agree with this most situations, 100 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: if you just took a deer hunter out and didn't 101 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: tell him anything, he could probably go out and shoot 102 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: a bear. I mean and not have any problem, but 103 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: in the finer tuned points of bear hunting. And if 104 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: you took that same guy, and this is the way 105 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I would describe it, if you took that same guy 106 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: that was trained as the white tail hunter and put 107 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: him on ten bear hunts, I'm gonna say three of 108 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: those ten he's gonna mess up simply because of lack 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: of understanding of a few principles. I mean, is that 110 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: a good? And that is that a good? Yeah? You know, 111 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: bear postures constantly changing, you know, Yeah, you're looking for 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: that broadside shot more often than not. I mean, dear, 113 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 1: that's preferred to shot anyway, but a lot of people 114 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: take the quartering away shots. But you know, bears, the 115 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: if you can get that broadside, that's usually money. Yeah. Well, 116 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: let's start off by talking about bar anatomy. I read 117 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: a a article that was written very recently that was 118 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: circulating on uh Facebook, clicked on it. It was about 119 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: ten ten I think it was ten things about spring 120 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: bear hunting, and one of them was about a shot placement. 121 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: And this this author said that bear organs are further 122 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: forward than a deer, which I want to quickly say 123 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: is exactly opposite of what I have found, not just 124 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: in what I've read, but we did the first year 125 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: had Barrenting magazine. We killed We went up to Alberta 126 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: and we killed six bears in five days. We actually 127 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: did a knee cropsy on a bear where we took 128 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: the carcass with all the internal organs inside and stripped 129 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: off the layers of rib or the stripped off the 130 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: rib meat so that you could see into the rib 131 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: cage and tried to determine like where the lungs would layout. 132 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: And man, we made some incredible diagrams that were in 133 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: Barrehunting Magazine. They're also online. And to make a short summary, 134 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: bare vitals are slightly further back than a white tail. 135 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Right? So there, so let 136 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: me just say that is a big premise of black 137 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: bear shot placement and brown bear for that matter. The 138 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: vitals they're not it's not like they're just like in 139 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the body, but they extend slightly further back. 140 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: I found that the lungs of these bears went all 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: the way back to the very last rib, which, if 142 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: you can imagine shooting a white tail at the very 143 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: last rib, you'd be pretty far back. You would kill that. 144 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: You'd kill the deer because you'd get liver. But the 145 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: lungs of I mean the very tip of that long 146 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that all the way back at 147 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: the last rib there was eight inches of lung. That's 148 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That the lungs are like oblong shaped, 149 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, they're like they're like long and deep towards 150 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: the front of the animal and they go back like this. 151 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: And so the back to the very last rib there 152 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: was a little bit of lung. So I'm not saying 153 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: that's where you want to hit them. The second part 154 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: of that, Kolbe has some experience with this, Kobe, you 155 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: really made a mistake by shooting the bear far back 156 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: on the first hunt. Ever with me, you were like 157 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: the prime target to just make an example out of. 158 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: But you got the right posture for it. Here. I'm 159 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: glad I could take on that for everyone. Oh man, 160 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: it was on video. It was all there. But for 161 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: whatever reason, and this perhaps is it has to do 162 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: with the anatomical structure of the bear. But you can 163 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: shoot a bear further back than a white tail and 164 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: be okay. There was an article that we had published 165 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: a few years years ago called the middle of the Middle, 166 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: which there are a lot of Canadian outfitters that tell 167 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: their clients to shoot a bear in the middle. And 168 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: I think the way it started out was they said, hey, 169 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: shoot the bear in the middle, and the client said, 170 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: what do you mean the middle? And the guy in 171 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: the outfitter goes the middle of the middle, I mean 172 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: straight up middle of the bear, and uh what This 173 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: article is written by a guy named Rob Knives, Saskatchewan 174 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: outfitter that I know, and uh he was taught that 175 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: by some other old outfitters. And man, when you shoot 176 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of the middle, you have a lot 177 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: of room for air. And that's the whole point of it, 178 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: a lot of room for air. Now, I do not 179 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: suggest I don't like shooting them in the middle of 180 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the middle. I like to go about four inches back 181 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: towards the shoulder from the middle of the middle. And 182 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: when I say the middle of the middle, I'm talking 183 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: about the distance between the front legs and the back legs. 184 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm not including like the head of the bear, but 185 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: like the middle of the middle. I like to go 186 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: about three to four inches back towards the shoulder. So 187 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: slightly further back. Then then you would like try to 188 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: heart shoot a bear. And that's maybe the biggest thing 189 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that's different about bear hunt bear hunting versus deer hunting 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: is that as deer hunters, we were always taught to 191 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: try to heart shoot the deer. Okay, which would be 192 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: low and tight. You don't want to do that with 193 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: a bear, do you agree, Ryan? I agree. You've got 194 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: all that hair hanging down below. You know that hair, 195 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: it could be two inches long, could be four inches long, 196 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: So definitely want to try to get it the vertical 197 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: line in the middle the body. Yeah. You The problem 198 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: with low and tight on him on a bear is 199 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: that what Ryan said, Imagine a big, mature board that's 200 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: got two inches of fat beneath the rib cage. He's 201 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: also got hair that's a minimum of two inches, but 202 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: could be hanging down as much as four inches, And 203 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: so what you perceive as a silhouette at the bottom 204 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: of that bear is actually probably six to eight inches above. 205 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: That would be vital. And so a veteran bow hunter 206 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: that was hunting with me at one time who had 207 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: taken a lot of white tails with a bow, I 208 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: mean ate a lot of white tails bear hunting for 209 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: first time, and he just tried to heart shoot this bear, 210 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: I mean, just low and tight, and he ten ringed 211 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: right where he was aiming. We never found that bear, 212 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: totally hit it in the brisket and he was fooled 213 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: by the silhouette of that bear. Um. Now have you 214 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: ever have you ever hit a bear low and tight? 215 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I ever have. Now the two thousand 216 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: and sixteen up Uh bear pro Safar as you know, 217 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: shot that one low and back, but I've never shot 218 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: one low and forward. I wasn't sure if you had, 219 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: because I have another story of a friend of ours 220 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: here in Arkansas that had a monster bear come in 221 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: and it was just kind of one of those deals. 222 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: Or I think he would say he was probably just 223 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: on autopilot and was just trying to heart shoot it 224 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: and shot low and tight. And it was a big bear, 225 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: so it was exaggerated, long hair, lots of fat, thick 226 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: rib cade and so I mean he just basically shot 227 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: the bear in the brisket where if it had been 228 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: a white tail, he would tendering that that's a big 229 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: deal with black bears that you don't want to do 230 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: with archery shots. Is low and tight. You want to 231 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: be further up and number Another thing is that a 232 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: bear doesn't jump the string like a white tail. I mean, 233 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: especially with the with video and all the stuff on 234 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: that we're seeing now almost a hundred percent of the 235 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: time these white tails are dropping at the sound of 236 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: an arrow, even if you still kill the deer. I mean, 237 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: like we've killed all these deer with bows not on film, 238 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: and you just you kill this steer. Those deer dropping 239 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: a lot, sometimes dropping sixteen inches before the era gets 240 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: there like a thirty yard shot. A white tail as 241 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: a prey and only as a flight response to danger, 242 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: a massive quick flight response. A bear has some of 243 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: a flight response, but not near as much as a 244 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: white tail, would you agree in terms of dropping and going. 245 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: He's not on pins and needles all day long like 246 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: a deer is thinking he's gonna get eats an a 247 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: ex animal and probably stays relaxed, you know, most of 248 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: the day. So he's probably not sensing a lot of danger. 249 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: And so the translation of that into bear shot placement 250 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: is that you don't have to aim low like as 251 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: bow hunters we've been taught to aim low on a deer. 252 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: Man you don't want to hit low on a bear 253 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: because that silhouette is so deceptive. And I would say 254 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: that's the Those are the biggest things. Like, if we're 255 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: talking about shot placement slightly further back than a bear, 256 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: don't be afraid. Most people aim so far forward because 257 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: they're afraid to hit so far back because in the 258 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: white tail world we have been preached to our whole life, 259 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: don't hit him far back, don't hit him far back. 260 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: And honestly, I would rather hit a white tail far 261 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: back than I would further forward. I think people that 262 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: that has been preached us so much because guys have 263 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: really not been very good blood trailers. That's the truth. 264 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: I've found that inside of my IT scursions, inside of 265 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: other hunting circles, is that guys sometimes make a shot 266 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: that they probably could recover that animal, but they really 267 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: don't have the skill to blood trail that animal, And 268 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: so a marginal shot all of a sudden becomes a 269 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: marginal but mortal shot becomes an unfounder. And obviously I'm 270 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: not suggesting shooting dear far back at all, but that 271 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: fear that's been put in us to hit an animal 272 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: too far back has pushed us forward to the animal. 273 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: But with a bear, you can be a little bit 274 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: further back, a little more forgiving, little more forgiving if 275 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: you're hitting in that middle of the middle or you 276 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: know that that mid section from Kobe tell us about 277 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: your bear, just kind of like where about where you 278 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: perceived the shot to be. Yeah, it was. It was 279 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: a straight up gut shot, you know. Uh, I was 280 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: aiming like the middle of the middle, but then he 281 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: started moving and I was already in my shot sequence, 282 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: so uh so like vertically it was in the middle, 283 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: and I think that was made things come together in 284 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: the end, just that and then backing off for the 285 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: night and waiting until the next morning to to look 286 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: for him. But I mean he was pretty riggered up, 287 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: like he had died, like he'd been dead. Awhile a 288 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: mechanical or fixed blood. No, I was shooting a four 289 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: bladed fixed Yeah. It passed through, passed all the way through. 290 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't get liver. It was like way 291 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: back and uh we we backed out, came back the 292 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: next day. And now, granted this is a situation where 293 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: somebody who didn't have a lot of experience might have 294 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: had a hard time trailing that bear. I'm not gonna 295 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: lie about that. But Corey Grant all trained, He's a 296 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: good blood trailer, and I mean we we just we 297 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: found just spots of blood. I mean just I mean 298 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: it was a tough trail, don't get me wrong, but 299 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: the bear ran probably two yards to fifty m h 300 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: and um, we easily recovered the bear. I mean, now 301 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: we had to. We had to fight for it a 302 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: little bit. I mean just in that there were times 303 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: when we lost it and we were going off a 304 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: scuff mark and the leaves going down the hill. But 305 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, within forty five minutes we were 306 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: standing over the bear. Yeah. I think the thing that 307 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: surprised me was when the blood stopped hitting the ground 308 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: and you just started seeing smudge marks on the side 309 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: of trees. Yep. You gotta you gotta use everything in 310 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: your arsenal when you're telling any kind of animal. Like 311 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: if we had just been looking for bright red blood 312 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: drops on the ground, we would never found that bear. 313 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: But we were staying on game trails. We started splitting 314 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: up going down different game trails, and you you learn 315 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: to look at the backside of all these leaves because 316 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: this bear and we'll talk about how bears are notorious 317 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: within with a not ideal shot there, notorious for not 318 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: bleeding much. But the point is we found the bear 319 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: no problem. That's what these middle of the middle guys 320 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: say all the time. It's like they say they'd rather 321 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: have a gut shot bear than a bear that was 322 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: shot too far, low and forward, or shot straight in 323 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: the shoulder, you know, because you are not going to 324 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: break through a bare's shoulder with archer equipment, I don't believe. 325 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, perhaps there's a you'd have to be very 326 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: lucky too. Yeah, you probably have to hit some kind 327 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: of artery something to even kill something with a far 328 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: forward shot lock at and he's you know, I've never 329 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: trailed a bear and recovered one as far as Kobe's. 330 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, usually if you get yards, that's really that's 331 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: been your experience. Yeah, you know, I've had some bad shots, 332 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: and you know, I've trailed them jokers, like you say, 333 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: three hundred four hundred yards and on minimal blood never 334 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: find them. But usually a lethal shot on a bear, 335 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, a hundred yards are less. They just don't 336 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, they don't carry their weight that farest seems, 337 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, they kind of give out quick if they're 338 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: hit good. Yeah, let's go ahead and jump into what 339 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: I was saying about how and how a bear bleeds 340 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: and the importance, the whole point of this is gonna 341 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: be the importance of getting two holes with so this 342 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: would factor into the shot angle, but also your equipment 343 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: that you're using. But a big priority with bear is 344 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: to get two holes. So it goes back to what 345 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: you said at the beginning. A broadside shot is what 346 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: you want. A broadside shot gives you the shortest distance 347 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: between two points when the era is going through and 348 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: even if the ara is not sticking in the ground 349 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: on the other side, but if the broadhead at least 350 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: penetrates the skin on the other side, you've got two 351 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: two holes. That bear is gonna bleed more. But bears 352 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: are notorious for not bleeding because they are they do 353 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: have a lot of fat, They do have a lot 354 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: of a lot of fur, which is like a mop. 355 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: I mean, it's soaking up some of that blood, not 356 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: all of it. And you know, if you just double 357 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: double lung tin ring a bear, I mean he's gonna 358 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: bleed pretty good. But when you get into that marginal category, 359 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: like with Colby's if you had only gotten uh, had 360 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: one hole, didn't have an exit wound, you know, we 361 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: would have had a much more difficult time finding that bear. 362 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: But he he was bleeding on two sides because we 363 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: got that penetration. And so that goes back to on whitetail. 364 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: A quarter and away shot is a pretty good shot. 365 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: Smaller animal, smaller bone, not a stick of hide, I'll 366 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: stick of hair. You could probably gonna you know, you're 367 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: probably gonna get a pass through. And unless you hit 368 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: that offside shoulder on a cord and away shot on 369 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: a deer, and I mean we even look for a 370 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: quarter and away shot on a deer oftentimes. Um, but boy, 371 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: you want to get you want to get two holes. 372 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: The other thing about getting two holes is that most 373 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: bears are being shot out of tree stands, especially in 374 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: a bait situation. And if you get one hole from 375 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: a high elevated position, that means your entry hole is 376 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: gonna be high on that animal and that dude is 377 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: gonna bleed very little. You need a lower hole. Yep, 378 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: you know that's where you're gonna get you. I guess 379 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: you could set up a dungeon type set up where 380 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: you had a hole underneath, and whether you're shooting up 381 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: into the bears. Oh man, like dig a hole. It's 382 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: a whole new setup. You're supposed to laugh that cold 383 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: then your tree hole would be on the bottom of 384 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: the bear. That's for all those duck hunters out there, 385 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: they can just you know, ye like yeah, like a 386 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: like a duck hole, like a what would you call 387 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: that pit? Yes? Yes, well okay, so getting two olds okay, 388 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 1: and that even goes into your equipment. Like we at 389 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine, we are pretty much adamant about not 390 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: using the expandables for bear Okay, there's gonna be a 391 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: ton of people that maybe even listen to this podcast 392 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: that will say that have killed bears with expandables, as 393 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: have I. But I have heard too many stories and 394 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: seen for myself too many examples of when they have 395 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: not performed as well as a fixed blade broadhead. I mean, 396 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: just by very principle, it does remove energy from an arrow. 397 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: For those blades to expand large cutting diameter is gonna 398 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: cause more friction on that arrow, reducing the energy driving 399 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: that arrow into the animal. If the whole objective is 400 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: to get two holes on a big animal, I mean 401 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: a big white tailed deer is maybe at most twenty 402 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: inches too. I don't know. Maybe a big Canadian deer 403 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: would or big Midwest deer be inches wide. I doubt it. 404 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: Like you're trying to penetrate block eighteen inches with a 405 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: big bear trying to penetrate thirty inches, I don't know 406 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: if that's accurate or not not counting the all the 407 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: hair you're travling yep to shoot through. Yeah, the conclusion 408 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: that we've come to is just that if your priority 409 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: is to get two holes, it's best to use a 410 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: fixed blay broadhead. And there's all kind of fixed blay broadheads, 411 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: there's all kind of uh cut on impact broadheads. I 412 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: would rather have a small hole but have two of 413 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: them than have one big hole. I've also heard stories 414 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: of from reputable, reputable bow hunters and archers that they 415 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: have seen uh expandable heads get clogged up in hair 416 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: like like they hit a bear, had reduced penetration, killed 417 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: the bear, extracted the mechanical broadhead to find it just 418 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: covered in hair like where it was catching hair and 419 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: dragging hair into the animal. Do you have any experience 420 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: with expandables. I've killed probably half of the bears. I 421 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: was shot with expandables and had great luck. I haven't 422 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: had one fail yet. But you know, I've been shooting 423 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: h it's four blade for the last four or five years. 424 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: But you know, in the early years when I first 425 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: started bear hunting too, I just shoot a three blade 426 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, you know it's all no, no, I can 427 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: see in a with a good shot, like a broadside 428 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: shot at a reasonable distance when you're not having a 429 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: crazy angle. I mean, I agree with you could probably 430 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,959 Speaker 1: kill everybody in the woods with an expand Yeah, I'm 431 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: shooting high pounded. You know, I'm shooting right at seventy 432 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: pounds and all my shots or you know, fifteen yards 433 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: or less, and you're trying to take that broadside and 434 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: any percent of the time you are gonna punch through. 435 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: You know the rif did you get penetrate? You've got 436 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: to hold a lot of pass throughs. Yeah, yeah, almost. Um, well, okay, 437 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: tell us why you're using a fixed blade head now, 438 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: just you know, I didn't really think about it. Then 439 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: you want to not your eyes cross your tees. I 440 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: can see you know, a fixed blade, you are going 441 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: to get that penetration. You are gonna get that passed 442 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: through on most every shot. So you know, just trial 443 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: on air, and I've got to wear a feel more 444 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: comfortable shooting a fixed blade, you know, uh, confidence in it. 445 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: And like you say, I think, uh, you don't have 446 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: to have the big gaping hole and uh, you know, 447 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,959 Speaker 1: if you I guess the question is what do you 448 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: gain by by shooting a expandable You know, I guess 449 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: the volume of the cut. You know, maybe you're cutting 450 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: a few more arteries or something like that. But you know, 451 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: there is always that thought in the back of your mind, 452 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: off that broadhead failing and not performing, Yeah, like it should. 453 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: Fixed blade you pretty much eliminate that. What you see 454 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: is what you get. Yeah, you know, in my opinion, 455 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: the expandable broadhead is made for white tail. I mean, 456 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: it's a smaller animal, not a lot of hair, not 457 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: thick hide, not thick bones. And they're great and if 458 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: you get a marginal shot, and I've killed a gob 459 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: of white tails with expandable heads back in the day, 460 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: And if you get a marginal shot on a white tail, 461 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: I would rather be shooting a big fat expandable. But 462 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: they're really not made for bear. They're really not designed 463 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: for a big bone, thick haired, thick, fat animal. That 464 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: means so it's kind of you know, you could kill 465 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: every bear in the woods with an expandable. That's the truth. 466 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: But I believe and in somebody that's as good as 467 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: you ride and as experienced as you. I've been serious, like, 468 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: you're not gonna you're not a good example for someone 469 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: to show an expandable that's messed up. But I would 470 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: say for the average guy, if he were the average 471 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: bow hunter with you know, I mean, there's all these 472 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: different levels of experience that people have. If he was 473 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: shooting expandables at tin bears, it's gonna cost him a 474 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: bear in tin bears, I believe, And you may be 475 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: on your fifth bear and it's not cost your bears, 476 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: so you're still going when if you had been shooting 477 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: a fixed blade, you'd have killed all ten. That's what 478 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: I believe. And now everybody's gotta do what they think. 479 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: But that's a pretty good topic. Let's talk real quick 480 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: to about set up. A lot of people ask about 481 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: archery set up for bear and the question is can't 482 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: I use my white tail set up? And my answer 483 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: to that is basically yes. I mean, like I'm not 484 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm shooting around sixty pounds. Actually the bear that I 485 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: killed in Oklahoma this year, Batman pound bear, I was 486 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: shooting a fifty well, it may have been sixty pounds. 487 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: I want to say it was the high fifties, just tendering, 488 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, no problem. I hit to ended up hitting 489 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: kind of the offside shoulder. He had his leg down, 490 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: so I didn't get just a complete pass through with him. Yeah. Right, 491 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: you were there with me on the recovery. You know 492 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: that bear was crouched and he had his elbow back 493 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: like this, and hit him right here, and it actually 494 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: went down through his shoulder and like was sticking down 495 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: in his inside the hide, but in his front leg. 496 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: So when you getted the bear, you found the arowack 497 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: lee And remember were to recover James Lawrence's bear. Ten 498 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: days later, David Miller found my ironwell broad head on 499 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: the ground, uh trying to think it was still It's 500 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: still kind of a mystery to me what happened, because 501 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: I never found an exit hole. But David Miller found 502 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: eight inches of arrow in my two grain iron wheel broadhead. 503 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: We were tracking James kilderbear over there in the same 504 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: place we went over there and tracted, and he came 505 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: back and handed me that, And I said, where'd you 506 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: find that? Because David was with us when we recovered it, 507 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, so anyway, it was just a 508 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: weird deal because I mean that that bears front legs 509 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: were you know, ten inches in diameter, so in that 510 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: arrow just at the steep angle. But point being, you 511 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: don't need super heavy pounded drying shooting seventy pounds. What 512 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: was your bow set up? Fifty something? Yeah, yeah, you were, 513 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: you were sho pretty low poundage average weight there. I 514 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: figured your airwaight Kolby was in the four hundreds. I 515 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: mean you're shooting a Hunter grain trick, Yeah, slick trick magnum. 516 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: And that's a great head. I mean I love a 517 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: slick trick broadhead and have for years. Um. I did 518 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: shoot the iron wheels this year mainly because of my 519 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: traditional stuff. Um. But if if you and I'm sponsored 520 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: by no broadhead company, but if you just said clay 521 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: pick your poison for broadheads, I would id shoot a 522 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: Hunter Grain slick Trick magnum. Now for alright, for Compound, 523 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: I've actually shot their viper trick, which is not a 524 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: traditional not a not a traditional you know, traditional archery 525 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: head like that. But so the main thing would be 526 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: just getting the right broad head and shot placement. It's 527 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: not about having an eighty pound bow, so you can't 528 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: use your white tail set up. People evaluate aero penustration 529 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: based on kinetic energy. Momentum is actually the correct way 530 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: to me to evaluate the possibility for ero penetration. But 531 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: basically momentum measures of vector which vector. Momentum measures the 532 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:17,719 Speaker 1: the directional force. Kinetic energy just measures force, just like 533 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: like an explosion almost, just like just like it just 534 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 1: measures how much energy is present in this thing. Basically, 535 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: what I'm getting to is arrowweight is more important than speed. 536 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: You know, there was a time when an archery everybody 537 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: is worried about speed. You know. It's just like shoot 538 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: a really fast bow with a light arrow. But a 539 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: really fast bow with a light arrow does not penetrate 540 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: as well as a slower bow that's shooting a heavier arrow. Anyway, 541 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: this is all nerd talk, but momentum is the correct 542 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: way to measure erro penetration, not kinnectic energy. Didn't speed 543 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: come from where you're wanting to get it there faster? 544 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: For the white tilt didn't duck as much. Yeah, like 545 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: my dad, who who is bow hunted his whole life, 546 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: he loves speed, and it's because he didn't want to 547 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: after judge yardage. He always wanted a bow that would 548 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: shoot flat to thirty yards, so that just any deer 549 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: that showed up in the woods of Arkansas, which basically 550 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: most time you can't see much more than thirty yards. 551 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: If a deer showed up, he just put his first 552 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: pen on it because in his experience shooting slowbos all 553 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: through the seventies and eighties was he was missing deer 554 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: because of miss judging yardage. That didn't have range finders. 555 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: You know they are good range finders. He had these 556 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: range finders that like combined images. Have you have you 557 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: seen those rhynd where it's like you put your eye 558 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: in and you dial it and it like combines the 559 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: that's old school, yeah, and so so his whole thing 560 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: was speed so that he didn't miss judge yardage. As 561 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: I went through that, I was like, well, we we've 562 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: got range finders. Now you're set in a tree and 563 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: you can range everything. So you pretty much no yardages 564 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 1: for tree stand whitetil hunting for bear hunting, So I 565 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: would rather shoot a heavier arrow and get more penetration 566 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: because I did have some mishaps with uh, not getting 567 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: penetration with white tells when I was younger. Okay, we've 568 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: talked about bear anatomy, we've talked about shot angles. We 569 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: haven't talked as much about shot angles. But like you, 570 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: you really don't want to take a super steep quarter 571 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: and away shot on the bear. Now, if that's all 572 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: you have, you can certainly kill a bear that is 573 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: at a court steep quarter and angle, but you're probably 574 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: gonna forfeit that exit hole, and so you just gotta 575 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: be prepared for that, and you gotta make sure you're 576 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: on your a game. Ryan mentioned this earlier, is that 577 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: one of the biggest differences between deer and bear is 578 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: that a bear, first of all, is a black animal. Black. 579 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: The color black is designed to absorb light and to 580 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: not give away much. I mean, like, if you just 581 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: look into a black piece of paper, it's like all 582 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: you see is black. But if you look at a 583 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: white piece of paper that maybe was folded just a 584 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: little bit, like you could see the shadows. White show 585 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: shadows shows shape, and so a black a bear can 586 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: often look like just a black trash bag, and you 587 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: can't see where the shoulder comes up. You can't see 588 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: the ribs, you can't definition, no definition. Where a white 589 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: tail ryan has short hair, light colored hair, has a 590 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: very defined muscular body. I mean you can see the shoulder, 591 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,479 Speaker 1: you can see the ribs, you can see the rump, 592 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: you can see the muscles. So when you look through 593 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: the peep on the boat a white tail, you can 594 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: see right where you're aiming. A lot of times with 595 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: a big bear or a little bear, you pull up 596 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: and look for a peep and you feel like you're 597 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: aiming at a black trash bag. And I mean, even 598 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: inside of me having killed some bears, I still struggle 599 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: with that. Sometimes a close range, like close range, you 600 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: draw and you're like, holy count like in seen the 601 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: bear that killed in Oklahoma. I don't know why that 602 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: one got to me. But I drew the bow bear 603 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: just right there, I mean like ten yards and I 604 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: looked through the peep and all I could see was black. 605 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: And I was looking around my peep to trying to 606 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,399 Speaker 1: get a you know, trying to just figure out where 607 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: my pen was, and that would lean back in and 608 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: look and lean back in and look, and finally I 609 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: felt like I had where I wanted to hit. I 610 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: shot and if you remember, I shot far forward. I've 611 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: had that same problem in low light conditions before dart, 612 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,759 Speaker 1: you know, trying to see through your peep and like, say, 613 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: no definition on a bear. You want to make sure 614 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: that body is not cupped. You know, sometimes they'll roll 615 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: them hips to the side and be cupped. Uh, that's 616 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: not the best. Just wait for him to maybe expose 617 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: that leg or just you know, completely broadside. But yeah, 618 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: it's uh, can be tricky. Sometimes we'll see. And that's 619 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: that's the next point is that a bear can do 620 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot more stuff than a white tail. A 621 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: bear could be sitting on his button, a bear could 622 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: be standing up, a bear could have his feet up 623 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: on a tree. A bear could be cupped. And that's 624 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: probably to me one of the things that gets most people. 625 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 1: We've made some videos about this. But a bear could 626 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: look like he's broadside, but actually his spine would be 627 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: like in a u A deer can't even do that hardly, 628 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: But like a bear could be appeared to be broadside 629 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 1: looking at you, but actually eighty percent of his vitals 630 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: be covered because he's cupped like a you know, I 631 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: mean like a like a dog. Well that's that's not 632 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: a good example, but yes, or or a lot of 633 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: times with invated situations, bears come in and lay down. 634 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: Lots of guys have shot bears laying down, and again, 635 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: you can do it, but it's trickier because those vitals 636 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: are compacted. He's literally laying on his rib cage. Those 637 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: ribs flex and you you know, shooting a bear laying down, 638 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: you're probably shooting at a target that is twenty less 639 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: in size than it would be if the bear was 640 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: standing up. Would you agree with that? I mean, like 641 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: that that rib cage would flex just a little bit 642 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: and those vitals would those vitals would compress. So basically 643 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: a deer doesn't just have the flexibility to do what 644 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: a bearer does. That throws people off, runing people, especially 645 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: people that aren't familiar with seeing bear. As a bear 646 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: comes in, he might be standing up, he might be 647 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 1: laying down. He might be setting on his haunches, you know, 648 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: licking his bottom feet. He might be he could do 649 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. I've seen you do that yourself, 650 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: my feet, you know, occasionally that man that's massively. When 651 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: I first started hunting bears, I remember just kind of 652 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: being like confused by watching a bear move. And I 653 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: think that's kind of what freaks people out sometimes when 654 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: they're hunting bear for the first time. It's just to 655 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,399 Speaker 1: see an animal that that's just different than what they're 656 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: used to. Kobe was at your experience, Yeah, it was 657 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,760 Speaker 1: really surprising, like first being so big. They're pretty pretty 658 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: since they are like they're pretty, like they know what 659 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 1: movements they're making. Is like they're so articulate with their movements. 660 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: I guess it would be this things. They're definitely in 661 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: the the yoga animal. You know, if you like to 662 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: do yoga, the bears your spirit animal. Ryan's big in 663 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: the yoga the yoga. Yeah, that's one more thing let's 664 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 1: talk about. So we most of what we've talked about 665 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 1: here would relate directly to archery hunting. I do want 666 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: to say that hunting with a rifle is gonna be different. 667 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: Now barre anatomy stays the same, all the stuff stays 668 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: the same in terms of the actual bear, but with 669 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: a rifle, shooting the high powered rifle, you're kind of 670 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: been a different ball game, because you can shoot a 671 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: bear straight in the shoulder, high in the shoulder and 672 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: just drop them. You can shoot a bear that's facing you. 673 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,759 Speaker 1: I would never suggest shooting an archery bear just head on. 674 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I I know it's worked for people. I mean, 675 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm sure it has. But well, you know, bullet, you're 676 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: getting that shock, that energy, hydro static shock, you're shutting 677 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: down the electrical system. Basically, shoot him in the shoulder 678 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,359 Speaker 1: head on, like you're talking about quarterin away a little 679 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: more forgiving on. Definitely a rifle, right, So with a rifle, 680 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,720 Speaker 1: I would have to say that it would be fairly 681 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: similar to a white tail in principle. I mean, because 682 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: you can shoot in the shoulder, you can shoot him 683 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: head on, you can shoot him quarter in away. That 684 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be a problem. Um, you know, you don't have 685 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: to obviously judge for you don't need to shoot low 686 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: because they're not gonna jump the string. I mean, so 687 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: rifle hunting is quite different. And this par podcast really 688 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: isn't about rifle caliber, but a lot of questions about 689 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: caliber rifle and it kind of goes back to the 690 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: same thing with archery. You can kill a bear with 691 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: a thirty thirty and a hundred and fifty grain bullet. 692 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's lots of bear it probably thirties, probably 693 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: killed as many bears as any is any caliber, just 694 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: from the old days of when guys when that was 695 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: a main cartridge. But you the bigger the better, The 696 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: bigger the better with with bear because they are a 697 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: big animal. You do want to hit them hard. Uh. 698 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: You know, my gun of choice currently for black bear 699 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: rifle the choice thin mag with a two five grand 700 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: bullet out of my my best of the West rifle. 701 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: But I did want to just clarify that a lot 702 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: of the delicate things that we're talking about in terms 703 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: of shot placement for black bear does include is about 704 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: archery hunting, not as much about about rifle hunting. But hey, 705 00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: closing comments or thoughts, run um, let me ask you 706 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 1: a question, what would you say would be the biggest 707 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,280 Speaker 1: mistake that you have seen First time bear hunters are 708 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,720 Speaker 1: just inexperienced bear hunters make on shot placement. Biggest mistake. 709 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 1: You know, bears aren't like dear people are excited to 710 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: finally you know, Hey, I've got a bear here in 711 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: front of me, and you know it's in range. I 712 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: need to hurry up and get take the shot. Bears 713 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: are pretty patient, you know, especially on a baited hunt. 714 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: You can wait and wait and wait for that perfect shot. 715 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to be in a rush. You know, 716 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: a lot of people want to take that first shot opportunity, 717 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: just to wait for the right shot. You know, Um, 718 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: I've made mistakes and you know, not made the right shot. 719 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: But you know it's all about patients. But I guess 720 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,919 Speaker 1: you know, it just comes with experience. So um more 721 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: bears you get a chance to be around and and harvest, 722 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: you'll learn from that and take it to the next hunt. 723 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: But like I said, just be patient, wait for the 724 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,319 Speaker 1: right shot opportunity. Yeah, you don't have to be in 725 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: any hurry. That's a that's a great example because in 726 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: white tail hunting, most of the time you have a 727 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: very short window to execute a shot on a big buck. 728 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like take the first shot you get, you 729 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, that's a that's a good 730 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: ethical shot. That's that's kind of the way we're preached 731 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,839 Speaker 1: to because most time these animals are just moving through 732 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: areas that we're hunting. But especially on a baited hunt 733 00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 1: or even on a spring, a spring hunt, when a 734 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: bear is feeding out in the meadow, you got time. 735 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: If that animal is feeding, he's gonna be there for 736 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: a while, so you don't have to rush it. So 737 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: you're number one thing when the first time bear hunter, 738 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,280 Speaker 1: new bear hunter would be rushing the shot. Yeah, yep, yeah, 739 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,720 Speaker 1: you know I'm basing that on hunting over a bait 740 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 1: where the bears occupied. You know, like you said, not 741 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: passing through, You're gonna have some time to especially if 742 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: the winds right and he don't know you're around, You've 743 00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: you've got a little bit of time to play with 744 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: and I could say, the right opportunity to present itself. Yeah, 745 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 1: very good, Kobe. What do you think? I mean, those 746 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: are the things that Corey told us or told me 747 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: whenever I went up there. It was just, you know, 748 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: to be patient and make the right shot. And we 749 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: were patient, I mean watching, We watched that bear for 750 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 1: a while and the right opportunity was there. Um. I 751 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: think one of the things that happened I didn't realize 752 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: he was he was moving, you know, and so I 753 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:42,879 Speaker 1: think what happened was I was looking through the peep 754 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: like once I should close my other eye and just 755 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: like focused on him. I couldn't tell that he was moving, 756 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, because it was the right opportunity. He just 757 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: started moving right at the wrong time. So you probably 758 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: hit right where you're aiming. He just wasn't in the 759 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: same spot he moved. Yeah. Well, and I think that's 760 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: a good thing to to think about, is that once 761 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 1: you initiate that shot cycle, you've got to be super flexible. 762 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,080 Speaker 1: I mean, your shot cycle has to be quick. And 763 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: when I say shot cycle, I mean like draw your 764 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: bow and from the time you make the decision to 765 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: shoot until the time you actually execute the shot, you 766 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: need to be able to back out of it, you know. 767 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: I mean like because in that situation, you were like, Okay, 768 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot, and then two seconds time he moved, 769 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: you know, and you went ahead and shot, you know. 770 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 1: And I think that I think that's just learning being 771 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: in bow hunting situations in archery and executing the shot, 772 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,800 Speaker 1: you know, which is in anybody could have made that mistake. 773 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, uh, I I had been drawn 774 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: back for a while. I think that if if in 775 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: the future, like whenever I get an opportunity or I 776 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: think I have one, I think I'm gonna just you know, 777 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: if I'm drawn back for too much time, just let 778 00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 1: it down, just reassessed, you know what. The that being said. 779 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: My strongest trait, I think when it comes to actually 780 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,840 Speaker 1: taking an animal, especially with a compound bow, is knowing 781 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: when to draw. And I love drawing before they get there. 782 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like I like doing what you did. Yeah, 783 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: I felt like you did the right thing. I mean 784 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: like the bear was just at any second gonna step 785 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: into a correct shooting position. So you were drawn and ready. 786 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: Now once you start holding it for over a minute 787 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 1: or something, yeah, I mean like if you start to 788 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,280 Speaker 1: fill your body be compromised and like, yeah, you should 789 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: have let you you can let down that situation. But like, 790 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,359 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I see people do is like 791 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: a deer bear is coming and they wait till it's 792 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: in position to shoot before they draw their bow. Man, 793 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: I draw. I'm not talking about like draw a minute 794 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: before it gets there, but I'm anticipating the shot, drawn 795 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: and ready, and boy when it steps to where I 796 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 1: want to shoot, shoot, And that's probably more a white 797 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: tail thing because a lot of times they're moving and 798 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: but hey, we're gonna we're gonna end this podcast. I 799 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: hope that you've learned something here, and uh, yeah, you know, 800 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: ultimately our goal is to make as many good, ethical, 801 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,720 Speaker 1: quick killing shots as possible. And uh, bears are big, tough, 802 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,439 Speaker 1: unforgiving animals, but when they're hit right, they go down easy. 803 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: And so hey, guys, thanks for being on the podcast, 804 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have we're gonna continue, We're gonna have 805 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: a few more podcasts that are kind of this style 806 00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 1: where we're just talking about a specific issue. Hey, keep 807 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,760 Speaker 1: the wild places wild? Why keep us for the bears? 808 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: Good