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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen NFL combine. You got the Draft
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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison Executive producing. Uh, guys,
Speaker 1: we were what a day. We were trying to kind
Speaker 1: of have a nice little lunch. Is it across the way?
Speaker 1: And that the draft show? We did? We talk about
Speaker 1: the draft today? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you did. Well.
Speaker 1: You're working d Dane's always working hard on the draft.
Speaker 1: Trying to have a nice little lunch this afternoon, weren't we, Brian,
Speaker 1: We were trying to have a nice little lunch. And
Speaker 1: then uh, as they say, all heck broke loose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh then the news came down about Jason Witten.
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I don't want to turn this
Speaker 1: into a total of Jason Witton because we've already had
Speaker 1: a show about Jason Witten and all that. But we
Speaker 1: were trying to last night talk a little bit about players.
Speaker 1: I even wrote about this yesterday of players and you
Speaker 1: and I talked about this of players that you would
Speaker 1: trade in back into the first round four right, and
Speaker 1: tight end was one of those positions that we Hinson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were talking about, you know, the potential of trading
Speaker 1: back in for some guys and saying since January that
Speaker 1: this is an absurdly deep tight end class. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that and that that surprises me a little bit about
Speaker 1: the move that the Cowboys made today. Find me the
Speaker 1: person who wasn't surprised, and I'll well, I mean, you
Speaker 1: know it. And this is where it goes back to,
Speaker 1: you know, the organization, you know, Witton being you know
Speaker 1: we and we had a chance, and I'll let you
Speaker 1: kind of address this. And again, I don't want to
Speaker 1: use a lot of time on this. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's worth time because it affects drafts. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not just the news that Jason Witten's coming back. It's
Speaker 1: this was one of the biggest needs on this team,
Speaker 1: and certainly the biggest need on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. So it's worth it's worth getting in. But okay,
Speaker 1: and then I want to, okay, as you explain what
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said today about that about Witten coming back,
Speaker 1: Witten saying he misses football. Yeah, and now we've got
Speaker 1: we've got a we got a statement from Wit. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, the way that this whole, the way
Speaker 1: that it just kind of dropped out of the sky
Speaker 1: was just unprecedented. And yeah, I mean, like the Cowboys
Speaker 1: announced it, you know, we broke the story on Dallas
Speaker 1: cowboys dot com. The Cowboys confirmed it a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes later. Jason Witten provided a quote, the fire inside
Speaker 1: of me to complete and compete and play the game
Speaker 1: is just burning too strong. Um in the sense I
Speaker 1: just say, it is a big surprise. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: you think back to last fall when there were kind
Speaker 1: of rumors that maybe he felt that way and people
Speaker 1: were you know, our buddy Ben Rodgers talked about Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's it's not a surprise to hear that he
Speaker 1: was thinking about getting back into football, but the timing
Speaker 1: of it and the fact that they actually went through
Speaker 1: with it when you're sitting here ramping up for a
Speaker 1: draft was surprising to me. Um, and we talked to
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. You know, this is a conversation they've been
Speaker 1: having for a couple of weeks. Have a feeling that's
Speaker 1: maybe a bit of a downplay like probably something that
Speaker 1: they've talked probably the Pro Bowl. They've had these conversations. Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's probably a thing that you've kind of
Speaker 1: talked about over the course of time. Um, Witten or
Speaker 1: Garrett said, you know, there's no doubt in Witten's mind
Speaker 1: he can still do it. There's no doubt in Garrett's mind. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, there's reports about what his snapcount would look like.
Speaker 1: Garrett didn't want to speculate on that, but it's certainly
Speaker 1: worth considering when you've got a Blake Jarwin who will
Speaker 1: be a third year tight end, and Dalton Schultz who's
Speaker 1: a second year tight end. Rico Gathers is still kicking around.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see you. Let you know, this
Speaker 1: is a guy that's played one hundred percent of the
Speaker 1: snaps for fifteen years, he's coming back. How do you
Speaker 1: balance that with having young guy? How do you balance
Speaker 1: that with you know, as far as I'm concerned, this
Speaker 1: is still a position that you can look to in
Speaker 1: the draft. So there's a lot of stuff to consider,
Speaker 1: all right, Dane, is it gonna be? Is it a
Speaker 1: different now? Is that you're thinking about a different round?
Speaker 1: We were trying to think, you know, fifty eight? Would
Speaker 1: you think about that? Are you now thinking more three
Speaker 1: or four? Yeah? Let's hop right in and just okay,
Speaker 1: Jason Witten is going to play on this team in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Does that change your opinion about the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys and tight end in the twenty nineteen draft? Right?
Speaker 1: And not what we would do, but what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do? Ye? And you mentioned some of the names
Speaker 1: that already on the roster with Blake Darwin, right, Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 1: Who knows that Rico Gathers or would they even draft
Speaker 1: a tight end this year? I mean, see, that's where
Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't go. We might be there. I
Speaker 1: hope that doesn't go that way. Why I don't because
Speaker 1: I look at the depth of this draft at tight
Speaker 1: end and I like the players that I see. You know,
Speaker 1: I like Dak Daks Raymond. I like him from Utah State.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at Kaden Smith, not a Sternberg.
Speaker 1: I mean, watch, watch, watch, this turned down. Watch this happened?
Speaker 1: This is? This is and someone was tweeting at me
Speaker 1: about this. Watch the draft gods bring Fant all the
Speaker 1: way to fifty eight or somebody like that. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd a little different, but but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Watch
Speaker 1: them bring you and and he and he or she.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I used Fant as just an example that okay,
Speaker 1: but what if it's Smith or what if it's not
Speaker 1: a or what if it's Sternberger? What if? What if
Speaker 1: I told you? What if? What if the draft gods
Speaker 1: push Jay Sternberger to you at pick ninety? How you
Speaker 1: feeling about that? See, that's that's kind of where or um, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's something like that happens, then you would just course, um,
Speaker 1: you know, mid draft. But I think what it does
Speaker 1: is they're not forced to take it a tight end
Speaker 1: this year. You know, if the right one is not
Speaker 1: is that the right thing for this team to do?
Speaker 1: Then is that Let's just focus on is it the
Speaker 1: right thing? Let's let's and I'm I'm still you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been more shocked by a
Speaker 1: Cowboys story. Honestly, the Dan Bailey cut, the Amari Cooper trade, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the Tony Romo press conference. Like, There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy stuff. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: been more shocked than this. So I'm still processing it.
Speaker 1: But I'm sitting here thinking right off the bat, You're like, well,
Speaker 1: they can't draft a tight end now. But then you
Speaker 1: start thinking about it, and you're like, or to one
Speaker 1: year deal? Does this free them up to draft that guy?
Speaker 1: You know this this counteracts my argument from yesterday of well,
Speaker 1: this guy's not gonna do anything. Is rookie year anyway? Right, Well,
Speaker 1: now he's definitely not gonna do anything is rookie year,
Speaker 1: which so you know you don't want to draft the
Speaker 1: guy that's not going to play early. But also, this
Speaker 1: could this could give you. This gives you a year. Okay,
Speaker 1: let Isaac Nada. Let's say it's Isaac Nada in the
Speaker 1: second or third round. It gives him a year to
Speaker 1: season and learn behind a very very good tight end
Speaker 1: without the pressure of having to play immediately. So I
Speaker 1: can see both sides of it. Are you gonna call
Speaker 1: this a wasted pick if they pick a tight end
Speaker 1: at fifty eight. No, not any not anymore, not not anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: I think the variable in this discussion that we don't
Speaker 1: really know is how does this team? How do the
Speaker 1: coaches feel about Blake Jarwin? Yeah, how do they feel
Speaker 1: about Dalton Scholtze in terms of long term? Do they
Speaker 1: see more than just uh, their current role? They see
Speaker 1: they think they can grow into, not be you know,
Speaker 1: Phil Jason Witten's shoes in terms of being a pro bowler,
Speaker 1: but maybe a competent starter in this offense. And that's
Speaker 1: something that we don't necessarily know on the outside looking
Speaker 1: in periscopes are mine And you didn't want to tie
Speaker 1: it end yesterday. I still don't. I don't want I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to see both sides of the argument. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you all right, Jason Witten, you know he's gonna
Speaker 1: play like a minimum of fifty percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: or maybe as many as like ninety five, who the
Speaker 1: hell knows. And then you got Jarwin, got Shultz, so
Speaker 1: that guy's not going to play a role. But on
Speaker 1: the flip side of like, well, he's not helping you
Speaker 1: now at least you're not leaning on him to have
Speaker 1: to do that as a rookie, which is something that
Speaker 1: not very many rookie tight ends have a lot of
Speaker 1: success with anyway. So I'm just trying to present both
Speaker 1: sides of it. I still I certainly I would have
Speaker 1: reservations about drafting a tight end at fifty eight agree,
Speaker 1: maybe even ninety would you have had you obviously would
Speaker 1: have had the reservations even if they didn't make the
Speaker 1: Witten move and my correct about that. Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And but it's it's just something else to consider because
Speaker 1: now yesterday it's like, well, what it is, You're totally
Speaker 1: okay with this moved in as far as the tight
Speaker 1: ends can say that, I never I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: asking you that because you don't want to draft a
Speaker 1: tight end. Oh oh am, I okay with the Jason
Speaker 1: Witten moves? Yeah, Um, I'm I'm confused by it. Like,
Speaker 1: if I'm being perfectly perfectly honest, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are confused. Yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of a wash for me, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think it's you're not drastically upgrading the tight end position.
Speaker 1: It's not worse than it was yesterday. It's it's it's better.
Speaker 1: It might not, it's not, it's not a lot better,
Speaker 1: but it's better. Um, I think you know me again,
Speaker 1: I brought up Effort yesterday. I think I would have
Speaker 1: rather gambled on a guy like Tyler Effort with a
Speaker 1: very high upside, no offense to a future Hall of
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and Jason went and I don't think
Speaker 1: he has a ton of upside at this point in
Speaker 1: his career. Um, So I'm confused because I think I
Speaker 1: think they could have done more to upgrade it. But
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on him for bringing a Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer back into the fold. It's just I'm I'm
Speaker 1: still I'm still digesting it. I'm confused. No, And what
Speaker 1: is the goal between the end of the season and
Speaker 1: the draft. You want to fill as many needs as
Speaker 1: possible so you're not forced to go in a specific
Speaker 1: direction on draft weekend. Sure, you know if you want
Speaker 1: to go defensive end in the first. But there's just
Speaker 1: one year band Aid. Yeah, I guy a band Aid. Oh,
Speaker 1: actually that's a that's a Hall of Fame player. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody expects Bridge I'm using Okay, Bridge, I
Speaker 1: used the wrong B word. No one's expecting this to
Speaker 1: be a long term thing, you know. Obviously, Yeah, Jason
Speaker 1: wins back for a season and you'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is a great tight end class.
Speaker 1: There's no question. That's what That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: And they keep telling us it's a young team, it's
Speaker 1: a young team where we're one of the youngest teams.
Speaker 1: And I thought that's the way that this thing was going,
Speaker 1: you know, and again nothing, he gets Jason went. But again,
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that was on the staff that brought
Speaker 1: Jason Witten here. You know, that shows you how long
Speaker 1: ago that was. But I'm just saying though that if
Speaker 1: they keep preaching to us they're a young team, they're
Speaker 1: a young team, they're a young team. We're gonna grow
Speaker 1: as a young team. You know, we're gonna get better
Speaker 1: as a young team. Is this a move that made
Speaker 1: them better? All right, here's a thought exercise for you.
Speaker 1: I'm I was quiet. Nobody's gonna aswer my question right now.
Speaker 1: I'm going through. I'm going through. But here's a thought exercise. Okay,
Speaker 1: remove the name, like take Jason Witten out of it.
Speaker 1: Sure don't think of him as the guy who's played
Speaker 1: here for fifteen years, who's been to eleven Pro Bowls
Speaker 1: and it'll be in the Hall of Fame and has
Speaker 1: a mural hanging in the Star and all that crap.
Speaker 1: If they had if they had signed today, um, Luke
Speaker 1: Stocker or Charles Clay. I know Charles Clay is with
Speaker 1: people like Charles. I know he's with the Cardinals out.
Speaker 1: But if it was Charles Clay and it was the
Speaker 1: same deal, how would you feel? I wouldn't feel as
Speaker 1: good because I don't feel like I feel like to me,
Speaker 1: I would rather draft a tight end, Okay, but I
Speaker 1: want a young group I want I want Shultz, and
Speaker 1: I want a young tight end that I can use.
Speaker 1: What would we say about Charles Clay on this team.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna tell you it's a rhetorical question, right,
Speaker 1: we would say, Oh, veteran, veteran guy, not gonna stop
Speaker 1: you from doing anything in the draft, but gives you
Speaker 1: a little bit more production, a guy who can start
Speaker 1: if he needs to, and you know there's no guarantee
Speaker 1: beyond one year, and you can still draft your tight end.
Speaker 1: So Okay, the fact that it's Jason Witten makes this
Speaker 1: feel like such a bigger deal, but maybe not really right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't think it like
Speaker 1: hand I don't think it handcuffs you as much as
Speaker 1: you're trying to make it sound like right. And I agree,
Speaker 1: and that signing. I don't want adding him to the fold.
Speaker 1: It's not like you traded a third rounder. You still
Speaker 1: have that third rounder to address another need. So you
Speaker 1: know your team's in good shape if you add a
Speaker 1: tight end going into the draft, so you're not forced
Speaker 1: to go that route. Doesn't mean you still can't go
Speaker 1: tight end, but this way, maybe you go defensive end,
Speaker 1: defensive tackle first two or second or third rounds. You
Speaker 1: know you're not hamstrung by specific needs and this and
Speaker 1: let's just let's just assume Jason Witten will play fewer
Speaker 1: snaps than we're used to seeing from him. And I
Speaker 1: gotta see it the yeah, do you believe that? I
Speaker 1: guess I gotta says, it's kind of like we're a
Speaker 1: young team. Bit let's well, they are young. They are
Speaker 1: a young team, and that's why. And they's probably gonna
Speaker 1: raise their average age by it like a year and now, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't say that anymore. Yeah, yeah you can. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just assume that Jarwin and Schultz will
Speaker 1: have meaningful roles to play. Okay, this gives you a
Speaker 1: year to see how they develop and say this guy
Speaker 1: can be our starter going forward, or in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: you say, all right, no more bs and around, we
Speaker 1: really got to get a tight end now right, It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it could give you a chance to audition these two
Speaker 1: guys without the pressure of having how about how about
Speaker 1: add a tight end in a draft. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like next year, Wow, we're gonna need a linebacker, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, there's no linebackers. You're in
Speaker 1: a draft, there's no linebackers, and well, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what the tight end board looks like next year.
Speaker 1: That's I'm saying. That's I'm saying, yeah, you can't. And
Speaker 1: trust me, when we're doing the draft and they pick
Speaker 1: a tight end, you're gonna make the comment of like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I would have gone a cornerback there. Man,
Speaker 1: they've got no they've got no quarterbacks. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I'll just say I can't wait to see if he's
Speaker 1: a good player in twenty twenty one. This team has
Speaker 1: enough needs where I'm not too upset if they don't
Speaker 1: draft the tight end. I agreed this team. That's what
Speaker 1: I've been saying, right, So if all right, I wanted
Speaker 1: Tyler Eiffort, but it's Jason Witten, you know, maybe not
Speaker 1: the direction that I would have gone if I ran
Speaker 1: the team, but it's whatever. So if they don't draft
Speaker 1: a tight end out of all these tight ends that
Speaker 1: we've seen, you're okay with that perfectly fine, Okay, I've
Speaker 1: been driving that end. I'm not gonna how many first
Speaker 1: round tight end you got on your board? Two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How many first rounds? How many traditionally do you have?
Speaker 1: How many traditional first round tie didn't you have? Usually
Speaker 1: there's about one, okay usually yeah, but well it's smith
Speaker 1: borderline first round, so maybe three. He came in under
Speaker 1: six three today. That was surprising. Yeah, he's like six
Speaker 1: two and a half. You know why Brad guy is
Speaker 1: so salty right now because this kills his dream of
Speaker 1: trading up for Hockinson. It kills It's dead in the water.
Speaker 1: Let's go up and get Montes sweater or let's go
Speaker 1: up and get one of these pass rushers. Does that
Speaker 1: do anything for you? You know? Yeah, I mean it does.
Speaker 1: But but you know, but we talked about if you
Speaker 1: this man, this gentleman who I trust, who's watched Hawkerson play,
Speaker 1: you know, calls him rare, calls him a rare player.
Speaker 1: But they were never gonna get Hawkinson. But maybe in
Speaker 1: my little dream world at right and now it's gone.
Speaker 1: And that's why you're mad if it's not, I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not mad. I'm just I to me,
Speaker 1: I was I'm looking at a position where I feel
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of really nice players, a lot
Speaker 1: of depth there, and and I hope that they don't say, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got wit for one year and then they and
Speaker 1: then and then they take your guy's approach where they
Speaker 1: don't take it tight in, and then in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: we're like going, wow, well, you know, really we didn't
Speaker 1: get it. We didn't get much shot out Jarwin, we
Speaker 1: didn't really get Schultz, didn't really get much better. Where
Speaker 1: are we at right now? That's where? And then well, okay,
Speaker 1: where you at? Don't you have I trust? I trust
Speaker 1: Will McClay more than that, Like, if they wind up
Speaker 1: in a situation where a very talented guy is in
Speaker 1: their lap, I think they would do it right. And
Speaker 1: that's I don't think Jason Witton stops you from doing
Speaker 1: this. This This tight end class is deep enough where you know,
Speaker 1: Dak's Raymond could be there for you with your camp
Speaker 1: pick in the fourth round and maybe you know, and
Speaker 1: that's maybe an area that you pull the trigger on
Speaker 1: a guy like that. Because there's so many tight ends,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get pushed down a little bit too. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe one of those guys like Sternberg or not,
Speaker 1: one of those guys is going to be there. And
Speaker 1: now I'm kind of thinking, wait a minute've got it
Speaker 1: tied in for a year. This guy's not gonna play,
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, all that stuff. If they
Speaker 1: draft a guy, maybe that guy's gonna have to play.
Speaker 1: All this means to me, I'm processing this as I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to go into this, but here I am.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a worthwhile conversation. All this means to
Speaker 1: me is that if I'm Rico Gathers, I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: that's this mean for me? But like he was not
Speaker 1: in my plans any he already should have felt that
Speaker 1: he's not plans. He's not plans. So I it's it is,
Speaker 1: It's just it is what it is. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it's it's a little confusing. It's certainly surprising. I don't
Speaker 1: think it drastically changes anything. I don't think it would
Speaker 1: stop if if no offense is available at fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine that they are gonna consider it pretty heavily,
Speaker 1: if not just pull the trigger. And remember, I don't
Speaker 1: think that changes that. This is a team that had
Speaker 1: Dallas Goddard almost followed them last year in the second round.
Speaker 1: Sure they weren't considering him. Sure, So you know it's
Speaker 1: and I know that Jason witton retirement was still fresh
Speaker 1: when all that happened and all that. But you know this,
Speaker 1: I think the way this team looks at tight end
Speaker 1: is not the way we look at tight end in
Speaker 1: terms of what they could do and through the draft.
Speaker 1: And so if one of these players would fall off
Speaker 1: Sternberger's there in the third round, maybe they do, but
Speaker 1: they don't have to make a move like that. Right now.
Speaker 1: People are calling me short sighted on on this you're
Speaker 1: being the long sided one. I would say, like you're
Speaker 1: worried you're trying to address a multi year problem right
Speaker 1: now while you have a good tight end. I was
Speaker 1: kind of thinking I was trying to be big picture here,
Speaker 1: wasn't I yea, But like like Hellman said, though, like
Speaker 1: tight end traditionally is one of those positions where you
Speaker 1: don't see rookies come in and produce right away, right
Speaker 1: wide receiver, tight end. Usually it takes time for those positions,
Speaker 1: especially those Iowa kids. Well, no, and again we know
Speaker 1: you like the Iowa kids. No, I'm just saying though
Speaker 1: they're not. But I'm just saying we all we throw
Speaker 1: that out there. We just say, well, this is traditionally
Speaker 1: a position. Well in the second and third round, where
Speaker 1: we also weren't talking about five ten quarterbacks either, were we, Well, well, sure,
Speaker 1: but that yeah, okay, yeah, nice little segue. The other
Speaker 1: apples and oranges. Apples and oranges. Yes, by the way,
Speaker 1: you fight for that five ten quarterback? Uh, depending on
Speaker 1: who I am and where I'm picking. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm a team like Miami at thirteen, heck yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's gonna stop me from drafting Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: The big question is gonna be Arizona at one? Uh,
Speaker 1: what are they gonna do? Arizona at one? Just gonna
Speaker 1: make the draft Kyler Murray. Yeah, I think that's there's
Speaker 1: a strong possibility that happens. I'm just feeling it was
Speaker 1: that was that a huge win for him today, not
Speaker 1: to be five O nine seven. It was a win.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't ye five O nine seven five
Speaker 1: or five one oh one. Yeah, it looks a lot
Speaker 1: better than five O nine seven. It's we're talking about
Speaker 1: an eighth of an inch or two as of an inch,
Speaker 1: a quarter of an inch. But it's still looks a
Speaker 1: lot better. I wrote about this today. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you can put it up tomorrow. We'll put it up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I mean old the old scout, the old old school scout. Yeah,
Speaker 1: needs to let go. The old the old scout needs
Speaker 1: to let go. It's a different game, man, it is.
Speaker 1: It is a totally depend on that a little bit. No,
Speaker 1: and thank you for allowing me to do this. Uh.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the senator from Ohio yielding in the balance
Speaker 1: of his time. Laura's yours. You know. The thing with Kyler,
Speaker 1: the old scout in me believed, you know, we weren't
Speaker 1: so much about the metrics and numbers and all we
Speaker 1: came when it came to numbers, it was the heighthweight speed.
Speaker 1: You know, that's where we lived and that. But the
Speaker 1: scout today can deal with the numbers, but he could
Speaker 1: also deal with playing ability. I agree the film. You
Speaker 1: have to watch the film. The playing ability, I think
Speaker 1: you have to watch all that. That's where I think
Speaker 1: you have to grade this kid. I don't think you
Speaker 1: grade this kid on the fact that he's five ten one.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you grade him on that.
Speaker 1: I think you grade him on the fact of how
Speaker 1: he plays. And there's scouts. There's scouts that still to
Speaker 1: this day will not like this guy just because he's
Speaker 1: under their prototype of heights. And I think that that.
Speaker 1: I think that, and again is an old guy that
Speaker 1: and seeing the way this is going, that's a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: Evaluate this player, evaluate his teammate. You know, I know
Speaker 1: you don't really like Hollywood Brown all that much. I
Speaker 1: like Hollywood Brown. I don't like him where people are
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, but I'm saying he's a small
Speaker 1: under sixty six pounds small. Okay, are you on the
Speaker 1: train too with Marky's Brown? Yeah? Um, with the foot
Speaker 1: injury and one hundred and sixty six pounds. I like
Speaker 1: him in the early second round, Okay, I would draft him.
Speaker 1: I would draft him outside the top forty probably, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a second round Okay. But I'm just saying, though,
Speaker 1: we need to pay attention of how they play on
Speaker 1: tape and not and not. I'm just staying the old scout. Sure,
Speaker 1: and that's that. I'm glad you said that, But it's
Speaker 1: also doesn't make it easier because when you talk about
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray on tape, playing behind the best offensive line
Speaker 1: in college football, right, playing at a conference that doesn't
Speaker 1: play a ton of defense, playing a conference that did
Speaker 1: not is not going to produce a big time pass
Speaker 1: rusher like he. The tape is fine and you can
Speaker 1: see the skills, but you know, it's a big, big
Speaker 1: step going from Big twelve competition to the NFL. And
Speaker 1: so I don't think that Kyler Murray discussion is as
Speaker 1: easy as oh, well, you know, as long as you
Speaker 1: get pass the size, you know, you pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: Like there's other things going on with Kyler Murray in
Speaker 1: his evaluation that you have to get past besides just
Speaker 1: the size. So twenty seven, that's a good number for him.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's his playing weight. You know, he's
Speaker 1: probably more like one ninety five. Um. You know he's
Speaker 1: not gonna throw here, he's not gonna run here. We
Speaker 1: might have to make a trip to Norman to go
Speaker 1: see him. We'll do that. Uh. And so that's March thirteenth.
Speaker 1: I believe that. Oh, nothing else going on that day.
Speaker 1: It's just the start of the league year and free
Speaker 1: agent done that trip before we know the route. He
Speaker 1: probably won't run at all. I'd be surprised if Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray runs a forty yard dash. That's a process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why. Here's no point health with the
Speaker 1: prote and I think he'll look fine. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'll have to see if he does any athletic testing. Um.
Speaker 1: But that's the conversation. I think if you want Kyler Murray,
Speaker 1: you get to trade up in the top five. And
Speaker 1: that's only if the Cardinals pass at one. I love it.
Speaker 1: Do the Cardinals pass at one? It's okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: and then go I'm asking your crystal ball. This predict
Speaker 1: the biggest storyline of the off take him, I'd say,
Speaker 1: is it that high? I'd say slightly about fifty fifty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would to go seventy, but I'd
Speaker 1: say slightly about fifty fifty the just and it's hard
Speaker 1: not to get caught up in the moment and you know,
Speaker 1: like the excitement of what that how that would play out?
Speaker 1: But when you connect all the dots, and if you're
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, what is more important defending your top ten
Speaker 1: pick at quarterback from last year or getting the better quarterback?
Speaker 1: If that's how they view Kyler Murray, Yeah, the more
Speaker 1: important thing is getting get right and getting the right quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if Josh Rosen has a problem with that, well,
Speaker 1: don't be bad enough. We have the top pick. How
Speaker 1: quickly do they need to get rid of Josh Rosen? Now, well,
Speaker 1: they got to decide that they're gonna draft Murray before
Speaker 1: they got to get rid of Josh. Well, they hold
Speaker 1: the first overall pick. No, well, I obviously I feel
Speaker 1: like they have huh if they're I mean, they have
Speaker 1: to do it, which it'll be interesting because like the
Speaker 1: best time to do that is probably in free agency
Speaker 1: so like they could make it, or you wait to
Speaker 1: the draft draft? Who held somebody's feet to the fire? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Who's when you play quarterback? Muscle chairs? Who's left it
Speaker 1: out a chair? I was gonna say, who that doesn't
Speaker 1: have a quarterback is gonna be willing to wait until
Speaker 1: draft night to do something like that? I don't think
Speaker 1: there you can. Well, okay, take a team like the Redskins. Okay,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do in freed and see? If
Speaker 1: you're the Redskins, are you gonna go after Nick Foles? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, good, But if you don't get Nick Foles,
Speaker 1: if you don't get one of the free agent quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you're picking fifteenth in the first round. Why would you
Speaker 1: go after Nick Foles? If you're the Redskins, You've already
Speaker 1: got so much money invested in But don't Smith thought
Speaker 1: this year? But don't you? Don't you when you when
Speaker 1: you rather try and make a trade and get a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be on the cheap. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm gonna do whatever I can to win.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what are my options if it's
Speaker 1: Nick Foles or he's Keenum I'm going Nick Foles, giving
Speaker 1: myself the best chance to win. If you're Jake Gruden,
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed the coach until there's no question about so,
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen, no question about. So you know, you you
Speaker 1: get the best chance whoever's gonna help you with the
Speaker 1: best chance to win twenty nineteen. That's what you have
Speaker 1: to do. And hey, if that's Josh Rosen. The thing
Speaker 1: is that we don't know the pre draft evaluations that
Speaker 1: these teams had on Josh Rosen. Let's remember he was
Speaker 1: a fourth quarterback drafted. A lot of teams were not
Speaker 1: fans of Josh Rosen. So it's no guarantee that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a first round type of compensation. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fascinating market if that's out. If you were Arizona,
Speaker 1: would you take it to for Josh Rosen? Right now?
Speaker 1: You might have a choice. Yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 1: You can't keep them. I they brought in Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to be this bold departure. He's the you know,
Speaker 1: the college offense guru, and he had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with their decision to pick Josh Rosen. Yeah, And like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna boil it down that simply. I think that's
Speaker 1: why Kyle Murray will be their quarterback, because like that's
Speaker 1: how ego and scheme fit and all that stuff means
Speaker 1: so much in the NFL. I just I feel like
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's gonna be like, I need this guy, not that guy. Sorry,
Speaker 1: sorry you drafted him when I wasn't here. That's not
Speaker 1: my fault. I want this guy. Do you think the
Speaker 1: chance that you know, Cliff, being that it's his first job,
Speaker 1: new job and all that, that he feels like he
Speaker 1: has to have Kyler Murray in order to survive. I
Speaker 1: mean they again, this this team farther their head coach
Speaker 1: after one year, it just goes all the way back
Speaker 1: to And that's a perfect example of how this team
Speaker 1: understands that. You know what, if we need to pull
Speaker 1: the plug after one year in our head coach, we'll
Speaker 1: take the flak, We'll take the pr backlash, Like, yes,
Speaker 1: it looks bad on us, but you know what, I'd
Speaker 1: rather get the right guy in here instead of just
Speaker 1: being stubborn and holding onto him even though I know
Speaker 1: he's not the right answer. And the same thing with
Speaker 1: these quarterback If you have a chance to upgrade your
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Why wouldn't you do it? But you were
Speaker 1: okay with where Rosen was taken at ten right, I
Speaker 1: was based off of the film, okay, but it's an
Speaker 1: intangible position. And a lot of people have problems with
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen and whether it's because he's a really smart guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't really fit status quo in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, football, eat, drink, breathe and all that.
Speaker 1: So he's just not going to be for everybody, and
Speaker 1: so I get it. You know, the Rosen conversation is
Speaker 1: tough because we don't fully understand everything behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and not everyone's gonna be on par with their feelings,
Speaker 1: and so it really makes for a fascinating market. Would
Speaker 1: you be surprised if the Giants made a trade for him?
Speaker 1: Would they if they sent their first pick to uh Arizona?
Speaker 1: Would you be the first pick? That would be very surprising.
Speaker 1: I mean sixth overall, sixth overall, so yeah, that's their
Speaker 1: first round pick. Would be very That would surprise the
Speaker 1: hell out of me, since the same GM wasn't willing
Speaker 1: to deal up or get a quarterback last year, like
Speaker 1: he thought all those guys were like We're fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So now he's gonna give up a top ten pick
Speaker 1: for a guy he wasn't interested in a year ago.
Speaker 1: I doubt it. Miami, Miami's got a Miami thirteen. Miami
Speaker 1: and Washington are the two teams. That's twelve and thirteen, right,
Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen thirteen Miami and Redskins. That's dad. Those are
Speaker 1: the two franchises who are on the outside looking in
Speaker 1: in terms of who these who's gonna get these quarterbacks? Miami,
Speaker 1: he's really a no man's land at fifteen. That's that's
Speaker 1: ky Washington. Washington. I'm sorry, God, they keep getting that.
Speaker 1: Washington's really no man's right there. Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: I threw Washington out there as a possible trade partner
Speaker 1: for Rosen. What if I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of the Eagles and the Rams in twenty sixteen, Like,
Speaker 1: instead of dealing for Rosen, what if the Rams or them, sorry,
Speaker 1: the Redskins just tried to deal up for Kyler Murray
Speaker 1: and that should be or Dwayne Haskins. If I like,
Speaker 1: if I'm the Redskins, i am doing one of two
Speaker 1: things to fix my quarterback spot. I'm either trading up
Speaker 1: for Haskins or Murray or I'm gonna, you know, look
Speaker 1: for another op. I'm not taking Daniel Jones the fifteen
Speaker 1: and expecting that to work out. I'm gonna go get
Speaker 1: my quarterback. Or I'm gonna, you know, look at either
Speaker 1: Folds or Rosen or someone else in the off season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. It's uh, you know, it's we knew we're
Speaker 1: gonna have fun first night. We're gonna have a pick,
Speaker 1: but we have fun. It's not even Murray picked football
Speaker 1: over baseball, like that was okay, This is gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Now with the growing possibility that he could be the
Speaker 1: number one pick, that just makes it even more fun.
Speaker 1: I really feel like we're gonna set a new standard
Speaker 1: for weirdness in the office. Like I think, I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna see some player for player trades we are.
Speaker 1: I mean, Flacco already got traded. We forgot about that already,
Speaker 1: But we're gonna see some of those types of trades.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see people dealing up in the draft. Like
Speaker 1: I think NFL teams are understanding that these decisions aren't
Speaker 1: as permanent as they liked. I mean, we're literally we're
Speaker 1: talking about getting rid of a guy that got drafted
Speaker 1: in the top ten after one year, right, teams are
Speaker 1: just like, screw it, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: like we'll fix it it, Like you don't have to
Speaker 1: be committed to this just because you did it a
Speaker 1: year ago. And I think that line of thinking is
Speaker 1: going to lead to more and more chaos at this
Speaker 1: time of year, which I love. No, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you rather have Josh
Speaker 1: Rosen or Derek Carry if you're removing, if you're moving
Speaker 1: on from a quarterback scene more from card? If? If?
Speaker 1: What if the Raiders get into this at force? And
Speaker 1: that's the problem with with Rosen, With any conversation with Rosen,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough because again we don't know how does
Speaker 1: he interact on a day in, day out basis with
Speaker 1: his coaches, with his teammates, as a leader of men,
Speaker 1: as a CEO of a franchise, whatever cliche you want
Speaker 1: to use. How does he fit in that role? We
Speaker 1: don't understand fully how you know. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: talk about the conjecture about, you know, the personality and
Speaker 1: all that. We just don't because we're not in the building.
Speaker 1: With Josh Rosen, we don't fully know, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to have any conversation about Rosen without having
Speaker 1: that full understanding. Yeah, because yeah, I mean, Derek Car's
Speaker 1: a three time pro bowler. I mean, I think he
Speaker 1: can win games in this league. He can help you
Speaker 1: compete for the division. But I think Rosen I would
Speaker 1: bet on his tape and bet on what he can
Speaker 1: be long term. But again, that doesn't factor in the
Speaker 1: intangible part of things. Yeah, you're right about the intangibles.
Speaker 1: It's the intangel position and that's why Kyler Murray tomorrow tonight,
Speaker 1: he's going through the interview process and how does that
Speaker 1: go for him? You know, the size is one thing
Speaker 1: he's not gonna throw, but it's still gonna be a
Speaker 1: big week for him here at the interview process. How
Speaker 1: it does in white board? Where is he mentally in
Speaker 1: his development? That's a huge step. Do teams fall in
Speaker 1: love with him? You think when they talk to him
Speaker 1: he based off at interviews. He's gonna be here tomorrow
Speaker 1: talking to the media, so hopefully goes better than learn
Speaker 1: from Super Bowl at radio row because he was not impressive.
Speaker 1: I mean, that has to give you pause as an
Speaker 1: evaluator with a train wrecord that was hopefully he learned
Speaker 1: from that and he is better. Um, he's still a
Speaker 1: young kid, you know. It's how would you have reacted
Speaker 1: in that type of environment at twenty two years old?
Speaker 1: And we have to remember that. But again, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about investing a top pick and do this player,
Speaker 1: he has to be, you know, a little more mature
Speaker 1: than he showed at a scene the Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised we spent a quarter of an hour
Speaker 1: on Kyler Murray. I'm very prize that we spent a
Speaker 1: quarter of an hour on Jason Witten today. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my main takeaway. Well, we're gonna Yeah, what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do then is we're gonna take our break and then
Speaker 1: we come back. We're gonna get our twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty because we want to get to your questions. We
Speaker 1: had we had offensive linemen, had running backs, bench press today,
Speaker 1: we have some heights, weights. We want to get to
Speaker 1: your questions. We're gonna have some workouts tomorrow start tomorrow,
Speaker 1: right the offensive one morning tomorrow morning, so we'll have
Speaker 1: actually some some guys on the field that time. So
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Speaker 1: for the twenty nineteen NFL Combine. Brian broad As, Dane Burglar,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, Kent Garrison, Executive Producing. I want to thank
Speaker 1: everybody out there who's kind of followed along getting us
Speaker 1: the second night we're gonna have. We're gonna have another
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Speaker 1: Friday night, and then Saturday we'll wrap this thing up.
Speaker 1: Like I talked about, We've got some workouts that would
Speaker 1: be good. I know. Dane was listening to the offensive
Speaker 1: Lineman talk some of the running backs talk today. Did
Speaker 1: you hear anything about any news Cowboys potential visits, Maybe
Speaker 1: some guys that they've had in or they're going to
Speaker 1: have in for visit, maybe the offensive lineman or anything
Speaker 1: like it sounded like Dalton Riiser from Kansas State's gonna
Speaker 1: be offensive tackle. Ye, who would be an option possibly
Speaker 1: at fifty eight? Love it. Yeah, some people guard tackle
Speaker 1: kind of accommodation. I've seen you and I both believe you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: better guard, better guard, right, I understand, and that, you know,
Speaker 1: the versatility is one thing that he has a versatile experience.
Speaker 1: It's funny, that's it. It's crazy. He his technique could
Speaker 1: be awful, but he doesn't get beat, which is good,
Speaker 1: you know. But at the same time he's playing in
Speaker 1: a conference. I mean, who's the best pass rusher in
Speaker 1: the Big twelve? Yeah, I mean Dane just stays Hayting
Speaker 1: on the poort. It's a big ten pays me to
Speaker 1: do this. Kansas has got the kid, and then you know,
Speaker 1: maybe Texas with the you know, but those are guys
Speaker 1: that are yeah, you know, nothing again and nothing against him.
Speaker 1: I mean he played well against montest Seat when State.
Speaker 1: You know, it just I think he's a solid player. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think he's more of a like a mid
Speaker 1: second round guy. But there's a good chance he can
Speaker 1: go in the first. Wouldn't be surprised just because of
Speaker 1: that versatility. So yeah, and then and then who else?
Speaker 1: And they were the Ethan Greenidge Villanova another tackle when
Speaker 1: move inside the guard? Another one of those guys. He's
Speaker 1: a shrine guy. Uh did it? Had a pretty nice
Speaker 1: week there. But he's definitely moves better than I expected
Speaker 1: him too, So he's a name to keep on the radar. Okay,
Speaker 1: So Reisner and Greenwich? Yes, right, and Greenwich is more
Speaker 1: of a late round guy. Yeah later, Okay, good David Hillman,
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn it over to you. Y'all know
Speaker 1: I love a good segue. Uh So, too Tall has
Speaker 1: a question for us talking about possible classifies them as
Speaker 1: sneaky sneaky O line picks. Um, I get you know,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys were gonna use a draft pick on
Speaker 1: a no lineman, Tyron Smith getting older, Lyle Collins in
Speaker 1: a contract year, Travis Frederick coming off an injury, or
Speaker 1: the possibility that you could move Connor Williams to tackle
Speaker 1: if you wanted to between the positions. What do you
Speaker 1: think is more likely or the better idea for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to spend a pick on. I've been saying tackle forever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think to tackle me personally too. You know, we
Speaker 1: have to also keep in mind of maybe what some
Speaker 1: stuff going on in free agency. You know, if Cam
Speaker 1: Fleming is a free agent, Cam Fleming is a free
Speaker 1: agent though, uh we the you know, we we talked
Speaker 1: about some of the things. Some of the other teams
Speaker 1: got a guy at Jacksonville that left the Cowboys, Jeremy Parnell.
Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell might be a cap casualty guy
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. So if you have the opportunity to potentially
Speaker 1: bring back a guy like instead of bringing you bring
Speaker 1: back Jeremy Parnell, instead of signing and signing Fleming, Camp
Speaker 1: Fleming with that interest you more than drafting a guy.
Speaker 1: And that's just again, I like some of these offensive tackles. Again,
Speaker 1: here's the guy I keep saying again again again, but
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that wants to draft to keep drafting
Speaker 1: offensive lineman tight ends, you do defensive ends again, this
Speaker 1: team has had success doing that. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: balance between drafts are about three and four years, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are trying to take the next step because
Speaker 1: they got talent. They have an absurd amount of interior
Speaker 1: line talent, especially if Travis Frederick is able to come
Speaker 1: back completely healthy. Right and then you know, yeah, Lyle
Speaker 1: Collins is in a contract year, but you can probably
Speaker 1: finagle that in free agency for another year or two
Speaker 1: if you want to. How long's Luny in a contract
Speaker 1: for one year? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, got to But
Speaker 1: but think about think about his name maybe if he
Speaker 1: becomes available, Jeremy Parnell, think about that name could be
Speaker 1: a possibility fifty eight or in the third round. CALEA.
Speaker 1: McGarry from Washington. I think that he's a good player.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. He destroyed my guy Jelks. I
Speaker 1: mean that, yeah, first play, yeah, Oregon, the defensive end though,
Speaker 1: any do you what do you think about if you
Speaker 1: look at we talk about the USC kid though he
Speaker 1: kind of oh we we his football character is just
Speaker 1: a mess. Okay, okay, I can't repeat some of the
Speaker 1: words that I was told about. Just you know, he's there.
Speaker 1: Just things you worry about and maybe the light bulb
Speaker 1: will come on when he gets to the pro level.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'd be surprised if he goes in
Speaker 1: the first seventy right Chuma Adoga from USA. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the quickness, the length, really like what you see. But
Speaker 1: in terms of working his butt off and living up
Speaker 1: to his potential, yeah, that's uh. I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: out on West Virginia's could juice. Yeah, threw it up
Speaker 1: pretty well to day. I think that was in the thirties,
Speaker 1: thirty thirty two. Yeah, reps, I mean, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: that was pretty good right there for him. How about
Speaker 1: your center, by the way, too, press center in the draft,
Speaker 1: ar Bradbury Bradberry from North Carolina State end. No, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm just giving you guys down the
Speaker 1: center road. No, no, some of the best, the best center,
Speaker 1: the best center in the draft, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: with Dane and then he threw the he threw it
Speaker 1: up thirty four times. I want to say, he's a
Speaker 1: short armed guy, so you know, but that's okay, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's a good start to the
Speaker 1: day start for tight end. You have the defensive line,
Speaker 1: the no offensive line, and he's been a stud at
Speaker 1: center of Absolutely there you go. Y'all are gonna love
Speaker 1: this because it's about measurements. UM six three two coach.
Speaker 1: Coach says Devin Singletary, a guy y'all like, came in.
Speaker 1: He came in a little bit shorter than expected. Any
Speaker 1: chance that could push him into the fourth round place
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys feel comfortable drafting him. I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody cares about height at running back. I don't, I
Speaker 1: mean not at all. What does height matter? Build that's
Speaker 1: builds all that matters. Cohen's playing pretty well, so I mean,
Speaker 1: but if Terry Cohen was you know, five to seven,
Speaker 1: but he's two hundred pounds, right, it wouldn't matter. It's
Speaker 1: just height. If anything, height makes you maybe more elusive,
Speaker 1: you know. So you're saying no, yeah, height will not
Speaker 1: do it. Now if not, everybody's gonna be on board
Speaker 1: with his weight in terms of you know, because I
Speaker 1: think he was to A one maybe and he's not yah.
Speaker 1: I think he's la Sean McCoy. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: getting out of second. You have not changed what it is.
Speaker 1: So what did he come in at? Height? Wise five
Speaker 1: or seven? Two? It was yeah, okay, and did something
Speaker 1: was there somebody comped him to Maurice Jones Drew or
Speaker 1: did I make that up? I don't know. You're right,
Speaker 1: why would It's a rhetorical question. I don't know. Second round,
Speaker 1: top forty. This guy is the film is back. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He has such a unique way of making guys miss.
Speaker 1: Like guys just it clicks, and it clicks for him.
Speaker 1: He understands not only does he have the juice in
Speaker 1: the athleticism to make guys mess, he understands how to
Speaker 1: do it. See that he gets some scouts, like a
Speaker 1: guy that Greg Gabriel, who used to be a general manager,
Speaker 1: worked with the Bears and all that. If you follow
Speaker 1: Greg on Twitter, who's a very good follower because he's
Speaker 1: a former you know, general manager, scout and guy like that.
Speaker 1: He is not high on the player. He understands why
Speaker 1: people liked the player, but he doesn't think he does
Speaker 1: enough between the tackles, and I disagree on that. I
Speaker 1: see in the games I watched, I saw a guy
Speaker 1: that was tough. There were times where they didn't block
Speaker 1: for him at all. Okay, but he had to make
Speaker 1: a run between danes over here crapping on the Big
Speaker 1: twelve though, I mean this guy. That's fair. He led
Speaker 1: the FBS and broken tackles, but it is fair to
Speaker 1: play them tackles against guys that are never gonna play
Speaker 1: football again. And I would point out that he played Oklahoma, lawyers,
Speaker 1: I don't want to call somebody that plays that the American. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're playing the American, you're better than an account.
Speaker 1: It's so a Florida bunch that LSU took to the
Speaker 1: mat and hadn't lost a game in a while. They
Speaker 1: didn't take us to the matt. We kicked their pot. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we took them to the I'm saying, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: good No. And I would point out that FAU played
Speaker 1: Oklahoma this year, but I wouldn't want to get a
Speaker 1: big twelve credits. That's fair. That was some film you
Speaker 1: could watch him actually play exactly. We touched on Hollywood
Speaker 1: Brown in the first segment. But Austin wants to know
Speaker 1: if the weight, and I'll throw in the Liz Frank two.
Speaker 1: So he's one sixty six, one sixty six, which is
Speaker 1: boggles my mind because he had the surgery in January, Like,
Speaker 1: why aren't you eating McDonald's every day so you can't
Speaker 1: work out here and he needs to go. He needs
Speaker 1: to go to combine with me, is what he needs
Speaker 1: to do everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to get overweight,
Speaker 1: but just put on get over one seventy get close
Speaker 1: to one seventy five. So do you know, do you
Speaker 1: think the weight and the injury are enough to push
Speaker 1: him down in Cowboys territory or no? Probably not? You
Speaker 1: you like him anyway? You set top four? That right?
Speaker 1: If I if if I told you he's gonna have
Speaker 1: a DeShawn Jackson like career production only Oh hell yeah,
Speaker 1: where you draft him first round? Okay? Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: what fift. Well, there will be a team that believes
Speaker 1: that Marky's Brown can have a DeShawn Jackson type of
Speaker 1: career in the NFL. I just went like that DeShawn
Speaker 1: Jackson was like one sixty nine or something. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it can't be done. It just scares the hell
Speaker 1: out of me. Understandable, certainly. I mean there's not a
Speaker 1: huge sample size of these guys. So five nine three, yeah,
Speaker 1: five nine, one sixty six. Yeah, Like Devin Singletary could
Speaker 1: take him on like easy. When he arrived at Oklahoma
Speaker 1: two years ago, he was one hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: and he added, you know how I feel hearing you
Speaker 1: say that, I'm just like geez, like I got, I'm
Speaker 1: a husky. Let's go get dinner after this. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: we'll do that, all right, Dane. I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 1: peppering you with questions. Yeah, I'm glad you're peppering him.
Speaker 1: Jake says, we've talked about Jerry Tillary before. You've kind
Speaker 1: of hinted it some. You've hinted it some off field situations.
Speaker 1: So can you expand on your concerns on that and
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him as a possibility at pick fifty eight.
Speaker 1: I think with Hillary it comes down to Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: by the way, based on talent as a first round pick,
Speaker 1: where does football come in the pecking order on his
Speaker 1: priority list? Um, He's he's an academic. He's a guy
Speaker 1: who when he committed to Notre Dame, you know someone
Speaker 1: asked him, how, uh you know? Where does you know?
Speaker 1: Why are you getting out? Because he was a Louisiana guy.
Speaker 1: Why are you getting out of the SEC? Well? SEC
Speaker 1: schools didn't have what I wanted and academically they didn't
Speaker 1: have They can't offer what I need. I mean, very
Speaker 1: arrogant about his academic But he's a worldly guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he interned in Ireland, He's been all over the world traveling.
Speaker 1: He's just not necessarily a football first type of player.
Speaker 1: And that's gonna bother a lot of teams and I yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's a powerful at the point. So that's that.
Speaker 1: That is that's the problem. That's it. That's that's part
Speaker 1: of it. Wide receiver. That the kid with the funny
Speaker 1: name that we kept saying was a worldly Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown, fifth round, sixth round. How about the dude
Speaker 1: because I call him a worldly guy. How about the
Speaker 1: badass doctor for the Chiefs. What's that guy's name? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: my guy from Canada. Um, pretty good player. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and he's a doctor he wanted to put No, it's
Speaker 1: I did a big story on him back when he
Speaker 1: was coming out, and I really liked him. He's sold
Speaker 1: me in the Shrine game. Um. But but we're talking
Speaker 1: about he was drafting Link the fifth round. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about Yeah, it's like we talk about
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray talking about Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson, like
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Wilson was a third round pick, right,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about the same value and
Speaker 1: the same risk. So for a guy like Jerry Tillery,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go in the second round, But
Speaker 1: you know, does someone take a chance on him the
Speaker 1: first especially in a defensive line rich draft where uh,
Speaker 1: you know one of these you know you're taking him
Speaker 1: over you know some of these other defensive tackles. Now,
Speaker 1: if he's there at fifty eight, that'll be an interesting scenario.
Speaker 1: I will say, So, you're just doing your job, your due, dealers.
Speaker 1: I get that. Me. I hate I hate that. I
Speaker 1: hate that teams are gonna ing a guy for being
Speaker 1: like brilliant and oh my god, something besides football might
Speaker 1: interest this guy. Like, I hate that, I will say, though,
Speaker 1: I'll contradict myself. Remember John or Shell too. Yep, he's
Speaker 1: the mathematician. He's a fifth round pick, but like he
Speaker 1: just straight up retired from football to be a genius
Speaker 1: math guy exactly. I understand why that would spook a team.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, are you even gonna care enough to
Speaker 1: keep playing a year after we draft you? Two years
Speaker 1: after we draft is the thing? After a couple of
Speaker 1: practices in the NFL where he's getting, you know, is
Speaker 1: head kicked in Like he's gonna think to himself, I
Speaker 1: could be making decent money doing something else, traveling the
Speaker 1: world like you know, like that. That's the worry with
Speaker 1: a guy like that, Is he going to really how
Speaker 1: importing his football? Really too? Exactly? And she or Shell
Speaker 1: retired after his third season. Yeah, enough money to teach math.
Speaker 1: So I understand the concern, but it still kind of
Speaker 1: irks me that, oh God forbidden, let's talk about the players.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the player of himself though we I
Speaker 1: talked about a point of attack guy, and my last
Speaker 1: bit of notes I said, I don't ever think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have huge sack numbers. But you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna push and he's gonna and he's gonna
Speaker 1: play the run well wherever he lands. Did you watch
Speaker 1: the Stanford tape? I watched USC Northwestern Syracuse, Michigan. The
Speaker 1: Stanford tape is the best tape. Easy, easy and get
Speaker 1: four sacks that game. And and I agree with you
Speaker 1: for the most part. But he showed he has such
Speaker 1: a wide because he's so long, right, but his legs
Speaker 1: right now he has such a wide impact radius. I
Speaker 1: mean he can find his gap to squirt into the backfield.
Speaker 1: But he is powerful. Uh so I think, yeah, is
Speaker 1: it first round talent? Right? I don't think there's too
Speaker 1: many that the lack of love for football is a concern. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you just yeah, you worry about is he all
Speaker 1: in okay? And is he going to be all in
Speaker 1: two years from now, three years from now. It's just
Speaker 1: it's a tough conversation to have with when we're getting
Speaker 1: this knowledge secondhand. You know, like it makes me uncomfortable
Speaker 1: in a way, just because I've never talked to Jerry Tillary,
Speaker 1: so I you know, I can't say he's gonna get
Speaker 1: We're going an opportunity to talk to him here a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, but you know I'm going based on
Speaker 1: based on what scouts tell me. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: we're not creating this information. These guys are going to
Speaker 1: school and finding it out kind of a pole on
Speaker 1: the curtain house. Scouts are really looking at these guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh, we got time for one more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got plenty of time. Oh okay, good, Oh we
Speaker 1: were only doing one break this year exactly, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I want to throw away, but uh well it's not
Speaker 1: even it's not really draft related. It is a little bit. Um.
Speaker 1: You saw the video of DeMarcus Ware, right, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: right after the Jason Winton News, DeMarcus Ware posted a
Speaker 1: video on Twitter where he's like, well maybe I should
Speaker 1: too if they're giving you five million dollars, which if
Speaker 1: you know anything about DeMarcus Ware like that dude is
Speaker 1: still in disgusting shape. Yeah, like, are you down? Like
Speaker 1: I'd be down. That's basically all I'm saying. Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: said the same thing. I mean, Darren Woodson's a little
Speaker 1: bit further playing if DeMarcus Ware, when we talk about
Speaker 1: at the top of yesterday's show, Randy Gregory isn't available. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if DeMarcus Ware could give me a question. So well,
Speaker 1: somebody said, um, if he's serious, do you think Dallas
Speaker 1: would sign him? You don't think they would if he
Speaker 1: was serious and not just playing around. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Why he's been out of football for
Speaker 1: what two years? Two years? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: asking twenty five snaps a game. What's his health condition?
Speaker 1: Have you seen the dude's workout videos? He's great, the neck,
Speaker 1: the back and all that stuff. Does he really want
Speaker 1: to play? I don't know what he really want to play.
Speaker 1: That's if he's serious, and I don't think he is.
Speaker 1: For the record, No, he look he looks. He looks
Speaker 1: very happy at home with his family. Saw his kids
Speaker 1: had on Dallas Maverick Jerseys. The right now that if
Speaker 1: he signed this week, and like you would get excited
Speaker 1: about it, there's no question. Yeah. I think he could
Speaker 1: give you four to six sacks if you could stay healthy,
Speaker 1: which is the production that's exactly well yeah, okay, Well
Speaker 1: what do they got instead? Nothing? Right now? Not a might?
Speaker 1: So come on in draft a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: how you and your draft? I just want to draft.
Speaker 1: I just want to draft. If they had success drafting?
Speaker 1: Is the draft show? Had they have? They had success drafting?
Speaker 1: Of course? Well, yes, better success drafting or picking free agents,
Speaker 1: much better success drafting Taco Charlton. No, that's but that's
Speaker 1: he seems to be the only one right now. Only
Speaker 1: since twenty ten, all of their picks in the first
Speaker 1: round except Mo and Taco haven't been named All Pro
Speaker 1: at some point in their career. Is that good? That's insane? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. James. All right, this so got a
Speaker 1: lot of Witten questions. I've been avoiding them because we
Speaker 1: talked about it so much in the first part. But um,
Speaker 1: let's so we're gonna assume that they're not that interested
Speaker 1: in tight end just for the purposes of this. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Brian James says, with Witten back, what position group makes
Speaker 1: the most sense for you in the second round? Probably
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I'm just gonna say defensive line period, like
Speaker 1: if it's an end, because what's gonna happen is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep I'm gonna keep Crawford. Then on the outside, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna and I'm gonna have him armstrong and
Speaker 1: on the other side, I'm gonna have assuming they get
Speaker 1: Laurence done, which I think they will, and then think
Speaker 1: they will, and then then they're gonna have and then
Speaker 1: uh Taco. So yeah, I would they need more help?
Speaker 1: They do not have the numbers inside. No, that they
Speaker 1: do at least if we had, if the Cowboys had
Speaker 1: to play a game, then they hadn't needed a rotation.
Speaker 1: They have four guys. Yeah, they do not have. They
Speaker 1: don't have. They do not They don't have enough defensive
Speaker 1: tap in my last market, had Ronel Ran from Arizona
Speaker 1: State to the Cowboys. That's not that's not a bad
Speaker 1: pick at all. And so that's Kaylin Saunders. You know
Speaker 1: that that's who you're looking at in fifty eight in
Speaker 1: that range. I'm sure we've talked about that. But again,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a team that's been reluctant to
Speaker 1: spend resources on one techniques and that's more of what
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, it's funny because if you we found
Speaker 1: about Melee Collins, where was he drafted? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: what's fair. Difference of eight picks, that's fair. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's enough where it might not be
Speaker 1: the sexiest, but you know, it's what this team needs.
Speaker 1: I think for people that follow the Cowboys draft, I
Speaker 1: think they would find it very sexy. They're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we're finally drafting a defensive tackle. It's very true.
Speaker 1: And Kaylin Saunders from Western Illinois talking about a guy
Speaker 1: that wants to play football, wants to be a big
Speaker 1: time player. His girlfriend literally had a baby during Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl week and he stayed in practice. Oh yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the guy that did the cartwheel or the backflip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my butt would have been on a plane and go
Speaker 1: meet my first child. Yeah, he stayed. He played all
Speaker 1: the way through the game on Saturday. Yeah, on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I give him credit that that. I know it's a
Speaker 1: job interview and that's expected, but good on him. Good question.
Speaker 1: What with the success rate they've had in the first round,
Speaker 1: do you think they try and jump back in or
Speaker 1: should they jump back in? I know it's a question
Speaker 1: we answered last night, but you guys, you're just sessed
Speaker 1: with him. No, no, no, But I just I think
Speaker 1: it's a fair que. I think it's fair like they've
Speaker 1: had success drafted first round player. You should never say never,
Speaker 1: But like what are we talking about? Like, who's the player?
Speaker 1: How far are you going? What are you giving up? Again? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to blindly. You don't trade up for
Speaker 1: a position. You trade it for a player, and just
Speaker 1: depends on if that player is gonna be. I mean,
Speaker 1: would you trade next year's one and fifty eight to
Speaker 1: go get Montes Sweat? I would sure consider that because
Speaker 1: I really do like Montes Sweat. Yeah, he's one of
Speaker 1: my he's one of my Just imagining Brian, He's like, well,
Speaker 1: can he play right in like is he more of
Speaker 1: a left? Like does he have the been like six
Speaker 1: o five six? That's like, are you convinced is he
Speaker 1: Like you would rather trade for an end than you
Speaker 1: would a tackle, right, there's not a tackle to you,
Speaker 1: there's not a tackle trading up for a tackle unless
Speaker 1: it's like in Dominican sue unless at Oliver. Listen, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of scheme questions of that Oliver if he
Speaker 1: falls to pick twenty two. But again like but again,
Speaker 1: like it's such a steep price. Yeah, it is. Is
Speaker 1: such a steep price, they might like him enough to
Speaker 1: go do that. I mean as odd Marinelli's the coach here.
Speaker 1: You know he wants a freaking undertackle, always more and
Speaker 1: more undertackles. That would be fun. I don't see it happening.
Speaker 1: I think it's a long shot, but that would be
Speaker 1: one scenario where I could see your unrealistic yeah option
Speaker 1: of trading up to the first where I could see
Speaker 1: it happening. I just I'm just trying to create scenarios.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it with Hawkinson, and yeah, at
Speaker 1: Oliver is one of those guys if you were to fall, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see him go give is you give next
Speaker 1: years first to get at Oliver? I'm not necessarily saying
Speaker 1: I would. I could see this team doing that. Okay,
Speaker 1: could you see this team move Okay? Wait, how about this? Then?
Speaker 1: What if? Where do you think that Simmons is gonna
Speaker 1: end up? Okay, because I've heard anywhere between twenty five
Speaker 1: and forty five. Oh, I'm so terrified of that. Do
Speaker 1: you move up? Would you give one of your fourth
Speaker 1: round picks to move up to draft one of my
Speaker 1: fourth round picks? Wait? How how far are we going?
Speaker 1: We're gonna go end up in the second round. We're
Speaker 1: gonna try and try and get inside the forties. Case
Speaker 1: real this is just a good opportunity for a segue,
Speaker 1: because Joe asked, he said, talk trade up more realistically.
Speaker 1: Who's someone that you know, let's say they that's what
Speaker 1: we're trying to talk about. That. Well, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: trying to give jaw a shout out here. Appreciate Joe,
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Who could you see falling
Speaker 1: to like forty five? We're all like, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're talking about going up. Doesn't that fly in the
Speaker 1: face of taking the next step. Yes, but this team,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, guy coming off an a Yes, he's
Speaker 1: not gonna help you. That's what I was trying to say, Dave,
Speaker 1: until you like to kind of like kick me in
Speaker 1: the junk. You're trying you just want me to trade
Speaker 1: everything away like you always do. I was trying to
Speaker 1: go get a real players, a real player who can't
Speaker 1: play right now. Yeah, it's true. Let the Patriots draft
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons. They've earned that, right Yeah. And then well yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean like, are we trying to then we have
Speaker 1: to watch another ring presentation for the ninth straight year.
Speaker 1: Are we trying to take the Well, so cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna win a ring drafting their best years, not gonna
Speaker 1: playing that. Maybe maybe one day we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: take the next step, or are we gonna like, well,
Speaker 1: next year just because Jeffrey Simons will be all except
Speaker 1: we just signed Jason Witten for a year and the
Speaker 1: next step, man, the next step? Yeah? Uh, don't you
Speaker 1: got anything on periscope? I think I used most of them.
Speaker 1: You saw your stuff? Maybe up here a periscope folk,
Speaker 1: and we'll try and get you. Uh, let's see, let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see a lot of people discuss thing they ask about.
Speaker 1: Oh h Dalen Mac texas A and m as they
Speaker 1: ask about about him, Dane or round? What round do
Speaker 1: you think Dalen mac goes in? He's borderline top one hundred. Um.
Speaker 1: You know he's had a good pre draft process so far. Uh.
Speaker 1: Certainly back to what we saw today, we heard from
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman at the podium. Got you Jonah Williams
Speaker 1: Alabama left tackle. What was he talking about? He was
Speaker 1: kind of sparring with the media, wasn't he? He He the
Speaker 1: moment he sat down, he knew the length questions were coming. Oh,
Speaker 1: he studied up on this stuff, and so he sat down.
Speaker 1: First words out of his mouth. He's talking Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: He's trying to Joe Staley. He knows the tackles that
Speaker 1: came in under thirty four inch arms. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: know at one point he talked into reporter had had
Speaker 1: a great quote about, uh, if your arms were longer,
Speaker 1: you'd be able to reach a keyboard better. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't make you necessarily a good writer. A writer right line?
Speaker 1: And so I know we have a clip of that
Speaker 1: count of Jooney Williams talking today I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have to come up here and be defensive
Speaker 1: and you know, tell everyone they're wrong. Everyone's entitled to
Speaker 1: have their opinion. If your opinion is that there's a
Speaker 1: certain benchmark that you have to pass to be attack,
Speaker 1: well that's your opinion. I'm not going to change that,
Speaker 1: and my arms aren't going to grow, you know, like longer.
Speaker 1: So I think you watched the film. You make your
Speaker 1: own You make your own decisions, and the decisions that
Speaker 1: matter to me is the one that these NFL teams
Speaker 1: that I've been speaking with this whole week. That's Williams.
Speaker 1: Hey dish it out a little bit, huh. He knew
Speaker 1: the questions were coming and he was ready for them.
Speaker 1: And if he came in under thirty three inch arms,
Speaker 1: then I think your concerns are not your concerns, but
Speaker 1: the doubters concerns are valid. But he came in at
Speaker 1: thirty three and three quarters in charms, like I understand
Speaker 1: that falls below the thirty four inch threshold that some
Speaker 1: teams have. He has more than enough length and is
Speaker 1: tap is more than good enough to justify using a
Speaker 1: top ten pick on him. And listen, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me he's gonna be a better guard center. I
Speaker 1: can understand that. You know, I'm not gonna say you're
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong, But don't tell me you can't love tackle
Speaker 1: because the tape says you can. What's funny, though, if
Speaker 1: you want to watch Farrell from Clemson, that's a good
Speaker 1: tape to watch in the National Championship game. If you
Speaker 1: somehow you know you're the scouts out and sitting out
Speaker 1: there watching, If you want to watch Farrell have a
Speaker 1: have a good game, that's a great matchup because they
Speaker 1: went back and forth. I say Jonah got him a
Speaker 1: couple of times, got a couple of different times. Definitely
Speaker 1: a good time, a good good tape for Farrell. But
Speaker 1: Jonah held his own more than a few times. So
Speaker 1: it was a good battle. Here. Are you gonna be
Speaker 1: surprised at what the order of these first round offensive
Speaker 1: tackles are, how different people will have them, whether that's
Speaker 1: williams Ford little Taylor Are you're gonna be gonna be
Speaker 1: shocked at any of the order. No. I mean because
Speaker 1: it's because I expect it to be volatile. I actually
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be something that's I think everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: be all over the place on that. There's no consensus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how they comes. It could be Taylor
Speaker 1: than Dillard, than Jonah Williams. I mean, I would not
Speaker 1: be shocked at any of that order, Dane. Dane says
Speaker 1: it slowly and in nunciates. You're just like Dillard william
Speaker 1: like just like eight names. And I'm like, wait, he's
Speaker 1: talking about Taylor, Joan Taylor. Okay, No, I'll talk about
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. I know, William Ford, Little Taylor, Cody Ford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, says Dillard. We watched Dillard the other day. Man,
Speaker 1: he was not He's got the feet. He's got the feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got I mean he might feed. He's got i'm sorry,
Speaker 1: bad music off the stage, yet knows exactly how to
Speaker 1: work the Old Gong show. Well that's that's all the
Speaker 1: time we have for the Draft show tonight. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys so much for hanging out with us. Uh. We
Speaker 1: do appreciate you know when you do that. We love
Speaker 1: the periscope, we love the interaction with the Twitter. On
Speaker 1: the twenty uh tomorrow, we'll actually have some guys working
Speaker 1: out be able to talk about how these offensive lineman. Dane,
Speaker 1: one thing real quick. When you're watching these offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: what do you look for? Real quick? Ten yards split,
Speaker 1: three cone and then positional drills? How did it do
Speaker 1: in the mirror drills? Movement movement is bit okay. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with you guys tomorrow night. Again. Thanks everybody
Speaker 1: out there, and we'll see you down the road.