WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ 2019 NFL Combine - Day 2 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.279 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:10.160 on there war room for incenter news and draft analysis, 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:16.200 Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.720 David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.400 of the twenty nineteen NFL combine. You got the Draft 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.880 Show presented by Miller Litte. That's my scouting buddies alongside 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:35.320 Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison Executive producing. Uh, guys, 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.760 we were what a day. We were trying to kind 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.920 of have a nice little lunch. Is it across the way? 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.560 And that the draft show? We did? We talk about 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.720 the draft today? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you did. Well. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.840 You're working d Dane's always working hard on the draft. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.360 Trying to have a nice little lunch this afternoon, weren't we, Brian, 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:55.120 We were trying to have a nice little lunch. And 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.800 then uh, as they say, all heck broke loose. Yeah, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.560 and uh then the news came down about Jason Witten. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.120 And you know, again, I don't want to turn this 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:06.480 into a total of Jason Witton because we've already had 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.360 a show about Jason Witten and all that. But we 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:13.880 were trying to last night talk a little bit about players. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.080 I even wrote about this yesterday of players and you 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.080 and I talked about this of players that you would 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.880 trade in back into the first round four right, and 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.520 tight end was one of those positions that we Hinson, Yeah, 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.000 we were talking about, you know, the potential of trading 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:32.920 back in for some guys and saying since January that 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.759 this is an absurdly deep tight end class. Yeah, and 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.399 that and that that surprises me a little bit about 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:41.640 the move that the Cowboys made today. Find me the 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:45.560 person who wasn't surprised, and I'll well, I mean, you 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.080 know it. And this is where it goes back to, 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.360 you know, the organization, you know, Witton being you know 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:52.880 we and we had a chance, and I'll let you 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.240 kind of address this. And again, I don't want to 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.680 use a lot of time on this. It's I mean, 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:01.360 it's it's worth time because it affects drafts. Yeah, it's 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.360 not just the news that Jason Witten's coming back. It's 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.160 this was one of the biggest needs on this team, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.240 and certainly the biggest need on the offensive side of 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.160 the ball. So it's worth it's worth getting in. But okay, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.480 and then I want to, okay, as you explain what 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.000 Jason Garrett said today about that about Witten coming back, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.520 Witten saying he misses football. Yeah, and now we've got 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.520 we've got a we got a statement from Wit. Actually, yeah, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.040 Like I mean, the way that this whole, the way 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.720 that it just kind of dropped out of the sky 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.079 was just unprecedented. And yeah, I mean, like the Cowboys 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:36.920 announced it, you know, we broke the story on Dallas 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.000 cowboys dot com. The Cowboys confirmed it a couple of 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.400 minutes later. Jason Witten provided a quote, the fire inside 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.400 of me to complete and compete and play the game 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:48.280 is just burning too strong. Um in the sense I 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.800 just say, it is a big surprise. But then, you know, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.000 you think back to last fall when there were kind 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.760 of rumors that maybe he felt that way and people 0:02:55.800 --> 0:03:00.200 were you know, our buddy Ben Rodgers talked about Yeah. Um, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.280 so it's it's not a surprise to hear that he 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.480 was thinking about getting back into football, but the timing 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.079 of it and the fact that they actually went through 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:08.880 with it when you're sitting here ramping up for a 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:12.720 draft was surprising to me. Um, and we talked to 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:14.840 Jason Garrett. You know, this is a conversation they've been 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:17.520 having for a couple of weeks. Have a feeling that's 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.239 maybe a bit of a downplay like probably something that 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:25.320 they've talked probably the Pro Bowl. They've had these conversations. Maybe, Yeah, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.280 that's yeah, that's probably a thing that you've kind of 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:31.160 talked about over the course of time. Um, Witten or 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.160 Garrett said, you know, there's no doubt in Witten's mind 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.840 he can still do it. There's no doubt in Garrett's mind. Um. 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.160 You know, there's reports about what his snapcount would look like. 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.440 Garrett didn't want to speculate on that, but it's certainly 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.760 worth considering when you've got a Blake Jarwin who will 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.800 be a third year tight end, and Dalton Schultz who's 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.120 a second year tight end. Rico Gathers is still kicking around. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.640 So it's interesting to see you. Let you know, this 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.440 is a guy that's played one hundred percent of the 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.880 snaps for fifteen years, he's coming back. How do you 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.040 balance that with having young guy? How do you balance 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.400 that with you know, as far as I'm concerned, this 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:04.920 is still a position that you can look to in 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.600 the draft. So there's a lot of stuff to consider, 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.200 all right, Dane, is it gonna be? Is it a 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.880 different now? Is that you're thinking about a different round? 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.480 We were trying to think, you know, fifty eight? Would 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.800 you think about that? Are you now thinking more three 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:21.640 or four? Yeah? Let's hop right in and just okay, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:23.320 Jason Witten is going to play on this team in 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.599 twenty nineteen. Does that change your opinion about the Dallas 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.360 Cowboys and tight end in the twenty nineteen draft? Right? 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.440 And not what we would do, but what are they 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.560 gonna do? Ye? And you mentioned some of the names 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.400 that already on the roster with Blake Darwin, right, Dalton Schultz. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.960 Who knows that Rico Gathers or would they even draft 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.600 a tight end this year? I mean, see, that's where 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.680 I hope this doesn't go. We might be there. I 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.160 hope that doesn't go that way. Why I don't because 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.400 I look at the depth of this draft at tight 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.680 end and I like the players that I see. You know, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.719 I like Dak Daks Raymond. I like him from Utah State. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.560 You know, I'm looking at Kaden Smith, not a Sternberg. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.320 I mean, watch, watch, watch, this turned down. Watch this happened? 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.839 This is? This is and someone was tweeting at me 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.680 about this. Watch the draft gods bring Fant all the 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.760 way to fifty eight or somebody like that. You know, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.200 you know what, I'd a little different, but but you 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:21.440 know what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Watch 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.560 them bring you and and he and he or she. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:27.840 I'm sorry I used Fant as just an example that okay, 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.440 but what if it's Smith or what if it's not 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.080 a or what if it's Sternberger? What if? What if 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.159 I told you? What if? What if the draft gods 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.440 push Jay Sternberger to you at pick ninety? How you 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.840 feeling about that? See, that's that's kind of where or um, yeah, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.240 and it's something like that happens, then you would just course, um, 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.880 you know, mid draft. But I think what it does 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.920 is they're not forced to take it a tight end 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.599 this year. You know, if the right one is not 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:54.960 is that the right thing for this team to do? 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.599 Then is that Let's just focus on is it the 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.560 right thing? Let's let's and I'm I'm still you know, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.279 I don't think I've ever been more shocked by a 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:09.600 Cowboys story. Honestly, the Dan Bailey cut, the Amari Cooper trade, uh, 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.120 you know, the Tony Romo press conference. Like, There's been 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.760 a lot of crazy stuff. I don't think I've ever 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.240 been more shocked than this. So I'm still processing it. 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.920 But I'm sitting here thinking right off the bat, You're like, well, 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.000 they can't draft a tight end now. But then you 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.960 start thinking about it, and you're like, or to one 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.920 year deal? Does this free them up to draft that guy? 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:33.000 You know this this counteracts my argument from yesterday of well, 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.360 this guy's not gonna do anything. Is rookie year anyway? Right, Well, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.680 now he's definitely not gonna do anything is rookie year, 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.599 which so you know you don't want to draft the 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.760 guy that's not going to play early. But also, this 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.920 could this could give you. This gives you a year. Okay, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.359 let Isaac Nada. Let's say it's Isaac Nada in the 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.680 second or third round. It gives him a year to 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.120 season and learn behind a very very good tight end 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.120 without the pressure of having to play immediately. So I 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.039 can see both sides of it. Are you gonna call 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.280 this a wasted pick if they pick a tight end 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:09.400 at fifty eight. No, not any not anymore, not not anymore. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.880 I don't I don't know how I feel about it. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:14.800 I think the variable in this discussion that we don't 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.400 really know is how does this team? How do the 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.680 coaches feel about Blake Jarwin? Yeah, how do they feel 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.480 about Dalton Scholtze in terms of long term? Do they 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.800 see more than just uh, their current role? They see 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.000 they think they can grow into, not be you know, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.680 Phil Jason Witten's shoes in terms of being a pro bowler, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.480 but maybe a competent starter in this offense. And that's 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.240 something that we don't necessarily know on the outside looking 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.880 in periscopes are mine And you didn't want to tie 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.480 it end yesterday. I still don't. I don't want I'm 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:44.680 just trying to see both sides of the argument. I'm saying, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.160 if you all right, Jason Witten, you know he's gonna 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.880 play like a minimum of fifty percent of the snaps 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.040 or maybe as many as like ninety five, who the 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.760 hell knows. And then you got Jarwin, got Shultz, so 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.200 that guy's not going to play a role. But on 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.440 the flip side of like, well, he's not helping you 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.800 now at least you're not leaning on him to have 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.480 to do that as a rookie, which is something that 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.240 not very many rookie tight ends have a lot of 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.320 success with anyway. So I'm just trying to present both 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.320 sides of it. I still I certainly I would have 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.360 reservations about drafting a tight end at fifty eight agree, 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.360 maybe even ninety would you have had you obviously would 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.320 have had the reservations even if they didn't make the 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.120 Witten move and my correct about that. Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.320 And but it's it's just something else to consider because 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.040 now yesterday it's like, well, what it is, You're totally 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.200 okay with this moved in as far as the tight 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.240 ends can say that, I never I'm just I'm just 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:36.959 asking you that because you don't want to draft a 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.440 tight end. Oh oh am, I okay with the Jason 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.480 Witten moves? Yeah, Um, I'm I'm confused by it. Like, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.520 if I'm being perfectly perfectly honest, I think there's a 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.360 lot of people that are confused. Yeah, but it's it's 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.439 it's kind of a wash for me, Like I don't 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.760 think it's you're not drastically upgrading the tight end position. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.040 It's not worse than it was yesterday. It's it's it's better. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.959 It might not, it's not, it's not a lot better, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:05.120 but it's better. Um, I think you know me again, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.920 I brought up Effort yesterday. I think I would have 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.280 rather gambled on a guy like Tyler Effort with a 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.880 very high upside, no offense to a future Hall of 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:14.839 Hall of Famer, and Jason went and I don't think 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.440 he has a ton of upside at this point in 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:20.000 his career. Um, So I'm confused because I think I 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.240 think they could have done more to upgrade it. But 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.199 I'm not gonna hate on him for bringing a Hall 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.000 of Famer back into the fold. It's just I'm I'm 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:32.200 still I'm still digesting it. I'm confused. No, And what 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:34.360 is the goal between the end of the season and 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.679 the draft. You want to fill as many needs as 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:38.720 possible so you're not forced to go in a specific 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.000 direction on draft weekend. Sure, you know if you want 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.920 to go defensive end in the first. But there's just 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:48.280 one year band Aid. Yeah, I guy a band Aid. Oh, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.959 actually that's a that's a Hall of Fame player. I 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.800 don't think anybody expects Bridge I'm using Okay, Bridge, I 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.960 used the wrong B word. No one's expecting this to 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.559 be a long term thing, you know. Obviously, Yeah, Jason 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.840 wins back for a season and you'll see how it goes. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:03.880 But you know, this is a great tight end class. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.000 There's no question. That's what That's what I was thinking. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.640 And they keep telling us it's a young team, it's 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.040 a young team where we're one of the youngest teams. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.640 And I thought that's the way that this thing was going, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.959 you know, and again nothing, he gets Jason went. But again, 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:19.840 I'm a guy that was on the staff that brought 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.439 Jason Witten here. You know, that shows you how long 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.920 ago that was. But I'm just saying though that if 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.440 they keep preaching to us they're a young team, they're 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.600 a young team, they're a young team. We're gonna grow 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.120 as a young team. You know, we're gonna get better 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.360 as a young team. Is this a move that made 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.120 them better? All right, here's a thought exercise for you. 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.960 I'm I was quiet. Nobody's gonna aswer my question right now. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.400 I'm going through. I'm going through. But here's a thought exercise. Okay, 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:48.320 remove the name, like take Jason Witten out of it. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.200 Sure don't think of him as the guy who's played 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.480 here for fifteen years, who's been to eleven Pro Bowls 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.400 and it'll be in the Hall of Fame and has 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.880 a mural hanging in the Star and all that crap. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.240 If they had if they had signed today, um, Luke 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.120 Stocker or Charles Clay. I know Charles Clay is with 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.199 people like Charles. I know he's with the Cardinals out. 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.360 But if it was Charles Clay and it was the 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.120 same deal, how would you feel? I wouldn't feel as 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:14.200 good because I don't feel like I feel like to me, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.720 I would rather draft a tight end, Okay, but I 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.560 want a young group I want I want Shultz, and 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:22.600 I want a young tight end that I can use. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.560 What would we say about Charles Clay on this team. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.200 I know I'm gonna tell you it's a rhetorical question, right, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.520 we would say, Oh, veteran, veteran guy, not gonna stop 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.160 you from doing anything in the draft, but gives you 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:34.920 a little bit more production, a guy who can start 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.559 if he needs to, and you know there's no guarantee 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.000 beyond one year, and you can still draft your tight end. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.320 So Okay, the fact that it's Jason Witten makes this 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.160 feel like such a bigger deal, but maybe not really right, 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.040 you know what I mean. I don't think it like 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.520 hand I don't think it handcuffs you as much as 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.760 you're trying to make it sound like right. And I agree, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.360 and that signing. I don't want adding him to the fold. 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.200 It's not like you traded a third rounder. You still 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.760 have that third rounder to address another need. So you 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.360 know your team's in good shape if you add a 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.559 tight end going into the draft, so you're not forced 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.559 to go that route. Doesn't mean you still can't go 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.960 tight end, but this way, maybe you go defensive end, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.160 defensive tackle first two or second or third rounds. You 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:17.040 know you're not hamstrung by specific needs and this and 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.560 let's just let's just assume Jason Witten will play fewer 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.760 snaps than we're used to seeing from him. And I 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:25.839 gotta see it the yeah, do you believe that? I 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:27.840 guess I gotta says, it's kind of like we're a 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.360 young team. Bit let's well, they are young. They are 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.760 a young team, and that's why. And they's probably gonna 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.880 raise their average age by it like a year and now, yeah, 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.200 we can't say that anymore. Yeah, yeah you can. Well, okay, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.280 let's just let's just assume that Jarwin and Schultz will 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.800 have meaningful roles to play. Okay, this gives you a 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.040 year to see how they develop and say this guy 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.480 can be our starter going forward, or in twenty twenty 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.840 you say, all right, no more bs and around, we 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.360 really got to get a tight end now right, It's yeah, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.160 it could give you a chance to audition these two 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.640 guys without the pressure of having how about how about 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.520 add a tight end in a draft. It's kind of 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.760 like next year, Wow, we're gonna need a linebacker, and 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.000 then all of a sudden, there's no linebackers. You're in 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.600 a draft, there's no linebackers, and well, yeah, I have 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.600 no idea what the tight end board looks like next year. 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:20.839 That's I'm saying. That's I'm saying, yeah, you can't. And 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.199 trust me, when we're doing the draft and they pick 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.040 a tight end, you're gonna make the comment of like, well, 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.160 you know, I think I would have gone a cornerback there. Man, 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.680 they've got no they've got no quarterbacks. In twenty twenty, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.520 I'll just say I can't wait to see if he's 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.679 a good player in twenty twenty one. This team has 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.199 enough needs where I'm not too upset if they don't 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.520 draft the tight end. I agreed this team. That's what 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.559 I've been saying, right, So if all right, I wanted 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.360 Tyler Eiffort, but it's Jason Witten, you know, maybe not 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.000 the direction that I would have gone if I ran 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.600 the team, but it's whatever. So if they don't draft 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.160 a tight end out of all these tight ends that 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.439 we've seen, you're okay with that perfectly fine, Okay, I've 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.400 been driving that end. I'm not gonna how many first 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.240 round tight end you got on your board? Two? Yeah? 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.120 How many first rounds? How many traditionally do you have? 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.720 How many traditional first round tie didn't you have? Usually 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.959 there's about one, okay usually yeah, but well it's smith 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.280 borderline first round, so maybe three. He came in under 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.360 six three today. That was surprising. Yeah, he's like six 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.960 two and a half. You know why Brad guy is 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.280 so salty right now because this kills his dream of 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.640 trading up for Hockinson. It kills It's dead in the water. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.000 Let's go up and get Montes sweater or let's go 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.880 up and get one of these pass rushers. Does that 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.760 do anything for you? You know? Yeah, I mean it does. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.720 But but you know, but we talked about if you 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.400 this man, this gentleman who I trust, who's watched Hawkerson play, 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.720 you know, calls him rare, calls him a rare player. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.120 But they were never gonna get Hawkinson. But maybe in 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.760 my little dream world at right and now it's gone. 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.600 And that's why you're mad if it's not, I'm not. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.920 I'm not. I'm not mad. I'm just I to me, 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.480 I was I'm looking at a position where I feel 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.120 like there's a lot of really nice players, a lot 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:05.040 of depth there, and and I hope that they don't say, oh, 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.040 we've got wit for one year and then they and 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.760 then and then they take your guy's approach where they 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.400 don't take it tight in, and then in twenty twenty 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.160 we're like going, wow, well, you know, really we didn't 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.160 get it. We didn't get much shot out Jarwin, we 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.040 didn't really get Schultz, didn't really get much better. Where 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.040 are we at right now? That's where? And then well, okay, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.520 where you at? Don't you have I trust? I trust 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.720 Will McClay more than that, Like, if they wind up 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.400 in a situation where a very talented guy is in 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.320 their lap, I think they would do it right. And 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.160 that's I don't think Jason Witton stops you from doing 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.880 this. This This tight end class is deep enough where you know, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.600 Dak's Raymond could be there for you with your camp 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.520 pick in the fourth round and maybe you know, and 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:44.360 that's maybe an area that you pull the trigger on 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.240 a guy like that. Because there's so many tight ends, 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.120 they're gonna get pushed down a little bit too. Also, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.920 I'm saying maybe one of those guys like Sternberg or not, 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.200 one of those guys is going to be there. And 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.320 now I'm kind of thinking, wait a minute've got it 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.600 tied in for a year. This guy's not gonna play, 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.240 you know, blah blah blah, all that stuff. If they 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:02.760 draft a guy, maybe that guy's gonna have to play. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.640 All this means to me, I'm processing this as I 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:08.280 wasn't going to go into this, but here I am. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.560 It's it's it's a worthwhile conversation. All this means to 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.680 me is that if I'm Rico Gathers, I'm kind of like, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:16.960 that's this mean for me? But like he was not 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.920 in my plans any he already should have felt that 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.800 he's not plans. He's not plans. So I it's it is, 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.360 It's just it is what it is. Like I said, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.720 it's it's a little confusing. It's certainly surprising. I don't 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.880 think it drastically changes anything. I don't think it would 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.200 stop if if no offense is available at fifty eight. Yeah, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.320 I gotta imagine that they are gonna consider it pretty heavily, 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.320 if not just pull the trigger. And remember, I don't 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.360 think that changes that. This is a team that had 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.560 Dallas Goddard almost followed them last year in the second round. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.600 Sure they weren't considering him. Sure, So you know it's 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.239 and I know that Jason witton retirement was still fresh 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.200 when all that happened and all that. But you know this, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.360 I think the way this team looks at tight end 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:01.080 is not the way we look at tight end in 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.200 terms of what they could do and through the draft. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.679 And so if one of these players would fall off 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.240 Sternberger's there in the third round, maybe they do, but 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.600 they don't have to make a move like that. Right now. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:16.360 People are calling me short sighted on on this you're 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:18.720 being the long sided one. I would say, like you're 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.040 worried you're trying to address a multi year problem right 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:23.560 now while you have a good tight end. I was 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.439 kind of thinking I was trying to be big picture here, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.520 wasn't I yea, But like like Hellman said, though, like 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:30.560 tight end traditionally is one of those positions where you 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.320 don't see rookies come in and produce right away, right 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.960 wide receiver, tight end. Usually it takes time for those positions, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.600 especially those Iowa kids. Well, no, and again we know 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.040 you like the Iowa kids. No, I'm just saying though 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.960 they're not. But I'm just saying we all we throw 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.080 that out there. We just say, well, this is traditionally 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.440 a position. Well in the second and third round, where 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:57.400 we also weren't talking about five ten quarterbacks either, were we, Well, well, sure, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.399 but that yeah, okay, yeah, nice little segue. The other 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.760 apples and oranges. Apples and oranges. Yes, by the way, 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.119 you fight for that five ten quarterback? Uh, depending on 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.840 who I am and where I'm picking. Sure, I mean, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.800 if I'm a team like Miami at thirteen, heck yeah, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.399 I mean, what's gonna stop me from drafting Kyler Murray. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.160 The big question is gonna be Arizona at one? Uh, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.200 what are they gonna do? Arizona at one? Just gonna 0:18:22.240 --> 0:18:24.960 make the draft Kyler Murray. Yeah, I think that's there's 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.760 a strong possibility that happens. I'm just feeling it was 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.040 that was that a huge win for him today, not 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.880 to be five O nine seven. It was a win. 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.960 You know, I don't ye five O nine seven five 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.600 or five one oh one. Yeah, it looks a lot 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:44.760 better than five O nine seven. It's we're talking about 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:46.520 an eighth of an inch or two as of an inch, 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:49.639 a quarter of an inch. But it's still looks a 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:52.560 lot better. I wrote about this today. I mean, and 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:54.399 you can put it up tomorrow. We'll put it up tomorrow. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.480 I mean old the old scout, the old old school scout. Yeah, 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.920 needs to let go. The old the old scout needs 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.080 to let go. It's a different game, man, it is. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:07.200