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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on there war room for incenter news and draft analysis,

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys select Ezekiel Elliott and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman, and Brian brought us. Well, it's day two

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Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen NFL combine. You got the Draft

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Speaker 1: Show presented by Miller Litte. That's my scouting buddies alongside

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler, David Hellman, Kent Garrison Executive producing. Uh, guys,

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Speaker 1: we were what a day. We were trying to kind

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Speaker 1: of have a nice little lunch. Is it across the way?

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Speaker 1: And that the draft show? We did? We talk about

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Speaker 1: the draft today? Yeah? I did? Yeah, you did. Well.

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Speaker 1: You're working d Dane's always working hard on the draft.

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Speaker 1: Trying to have a nice little lunch this afternoon, weren't we, Brian,

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Speaker 1: We were trying to have a nice little lunch. And

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Speaker 1: then uh, as they say, all heck broke loose. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh then the news came down about Jason Witten.

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Speaker 1: And you know, again, I don't want to turn this

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Speaker 1: into a total of Jason Witton because we've already had

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Speaker 1: a show about Jason Witten and all that. But we

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Speaker 1: were trying to last night talk a little bit about players.

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Speaker 1: I even wrote about this yesterday of players and you

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this of players that you would

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Speaker 1: trade in back into the first round four right, and

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Speaker 1: tight end was one of those positions that we Hinson, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about, you know, the potential of trading

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Speaker 1: back in for some guys and saying since January that

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Speaker 1: this is an absurdly deep tight end class. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that and that that surprises me a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the move that the Cowboys made today. Find me the

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Speaker 1: person who wasn't surprised, and I'll well, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know it. And this is where it goes back to,

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Speaker 1: you know, the organization, you know, Witton being you know

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Speaker 1: we and we had a chance, and I'll let you

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Speaker 1: kind of address this. And again, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: use a lot of time on this. It's I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's worth time because it affects drafts. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not just the news that Jason Witten's coming back. It's

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Speaker 1: this was one of the biggest needs on this team,

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Speaker 1: and certainly the biggest need on the offensive side of

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Speaker 1: the ball. So it's worth it's worth getting in. But okay,

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Speaker 1: and then I want to, okay, as you explain what

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said today about that about Witten coming back,

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Speaker 1: Witten saying he misses football. Yeah, and now we've got

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Speaker 1: we've got a we got a statement from Wit. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, the way that this whole, the way

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Speaker 1: that it just kind of dropped out of the sky

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Speaker 1: was just unprecedented. And yeah, I mean, like the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: announced it, you know, we broke the story on Dallas

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Speaker 1: cowboys dot com. The Cowboys confirmed it a couple of

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Speaker 1: minutes later. Jason Witten provided a quote, the fire inside

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Speaker 1: of me to complete and compete and play the game

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Speaker 1: is just burning too strong. Um in the sense I

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Speaker 1: just say, it is a big surprise. But then, you know,

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Speaker 1: you think back to last fall when there were kind

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Speaker 1: of rumors that maybe he felt that way and people

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Speaker 1: were you know, our buddy Ben Rodgers talked about Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's not a surprise to hear that he

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Speaker 1: was thinking about getting back into football, but the timing

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Speaker 1: of it and the fact that they actually went through

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Speaker 1: with it when you're sitting here ramping up for a

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Speaker 1: draft was surprising to me. Um, and we talked to

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett. You know, this is a conversation they've been

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Speaker 1: having for a couple of weeks. Have a feeling that's

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Speaker 1: they've talked probably the Pro Bowl. They've had these conversations. Maybe, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Garrett said, you know, there's no doubt in Witten's mind

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Speaker 1: You know, there's reports about what his snapcount would look like.

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Speaker 1: Garrett didn't want to speculate on that, but it's certainly

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Speaker 1: worth considering when you've got a Blake Jarwin who will

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting to see you. Let you know, this

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Speaker 1: all right, Dane, is it gonna be? Is it a

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Speaker 1: different now? Is that you're thinking about a different round?

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Speaker 1: We were trying to think, you know, fifty eight? Would

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Does that change your opinion about the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and tight end in the twenty nineteen draft? Right?

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Speaker 1: And not what we would do, but what are they

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Speaker 1: that already on the roster with Blake Darwin, right, Dalton Schultz.

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Speaker 1: Who knows that Rico Gathers or would they even draft

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Speaker 1: a tight end this year? I mean, see, that's where

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Speaker 1: I hope this doesn't go. We might be there. I

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Speaker 1: hope that doesn't go that way. Why I don't because

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Speaker 1: I look at the depth of this draft at tight

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at Kaden Smith, not a Sternberg.

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Speaker 1: I mean, watch, watch, watch, this turned down. Watch this happened?

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Speaker 1: This is? This is and someone was tweeting at me

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Speaker 1: about this. Watch the draft gods bring Fant all the

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'd a little different, but but you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But that's what I'm saying. Watch

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Speaker 1: them bring you and and he and he or she.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I used Fant as just an example that okay,

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Speaker 1: a or what if it's Sternberger? What if? What if

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Speaker 1: I told you? What if? What if the draft gods

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Speaker 1: feeling about that? See, that's that's kind of where or um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: is that the right thing for this team to do?

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Speaker 1: Then is that Let's just focus on is it the

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been more shocked by a

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Speaker 1: But I'm sitting here thinking right off the bat, You're like, well,

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Speaker 1: guy that's not going to play early. But also, this

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Speaker 1: let Isaac Nada. Let's say it's Isaac Nada in the

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Speaker 1: at fifty eight. No, not any not anymore, not not anymore.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how I feel about it.

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Speaker 1: I think the variable in this discussion that we don't

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Speaker 1: coaches feel about Blake Jarwin? Yeah, how do they feel

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Speaker 1: about Dalton Scholtze in terms of long term? Do they

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Speaker 1: something that we don't necessarily know on the outside looking

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Speaker 1: in periscopes are mine And you didn't want to tie

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Speaker 1: the flip side of like, well, he's not helping you

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Speaker 1: now at least you're not leaning on him to have

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Speaker 1: not very many rookie tight ends have a lot of

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Speaker 1: asking you that because you don't want to draft a

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a wash for me, Like I don't

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Speaker 1: It's not worse than it was yesterday. It's it's it's better.

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Speaker 1: It might not, it's not, it's not a lot better,

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Speaker 1: but it's better. Um, I think you know me again,

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Speaker 1: I brought up Effort yesterday. I think I would have

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Speaker 1: very high upside, no offense to a future Hall of

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Speaker 1: think they could have done more to upgrade it. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hate on him for bringing a Hall

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Speaker 1: still I'm still digesting it. I'm confused. No, And what

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Speaker 1: is the goal between the end of the season and

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Speaker 1: the draft. You want to fill as many needs as

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Speaker 1: possible so you're not forced to go in a specific

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Speaker 1: to go defensive end in the first. But there's just

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Speaker 1: one year band Aid. Yeah, I guy a band Aid. Oh,

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Speaker 1: actually that's a that's a Hall of Fame player. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody expects Bridge I'm using Okay, Bridge, I

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Speaker 1: used the wrong B word. No one's expecting this to

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Speaker 1: be a long term thing, you know. Obviously, Yeah, Jason

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is a great tight end class.

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Speaker 1: There's no question. That's what That's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 1: And they keep telling us it's a young team, it's

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Speaker 1: And I thought that's the way that this thing was going,

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Speaker 1: It's it's it's a worthwhile conversation. All this means to

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Speaker 1: I think that, and again is an old guy that

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Speaker 1: and seeing the way this is going, that's a huge mistake.

422
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,959
Speaker 1: Evaluate this player, evaluate his teammate. You know, I know

423
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Speaker 1: you don't really like Hollywood Brown all that much. I

424
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Speaker 1: like Hollywood Brown. I don't like him where people are

425
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, but I'm saying he's a small

426
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Speaker 1: under sixty six pounds small. Okay, are you on the

427
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: train too with Marky's Brown? Yeah? Um, with the foot

428
00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: injury and one hundred and sixty six pounds. I like

429
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Speaker 1: him in the early second round, Okay, I would draft him.

430
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Speaker 1: I would draft him outside the top forty probably, Okay,

431
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Speaker 1: maybe maybe a second round Okay. But I'm just saying, though,

432
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: we need to pay attention of how they play on

433
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Speaker 1: tape and not and not. I'm just staying the old scout. Sure,

434
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: and that's that. I'm glad you said that, But it's

435
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Speaker 1: also doesn't make it easier because when you talk about

436
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray on tape, playing behind the best offensive line

437
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: in college football, right, playing at a conference that doesn't

438
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Speaker 1: play a ton of defense, playing a conference that did

439
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: not is not going to produce a big time pass

440
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: rusher like he. The tape is fine and you can

441
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: see the skills, but you know, it's a big, big

442
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Speaker 1: step going from Big twelve competition to the NFL. And

443
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Speaker 1: so I don't think that Kyler Murray discussion is as

444
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Speaker 1: easy as oh, well, you know, as long as you

445
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Speaker 1: get pass the size, you know, you pull the trigger.

446
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: Like there's other things going on with Kyler Murray in

447
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: his evaluation that you have to get past besides just

448
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Speaker 1: the size. So twenty seven, that's a good number for him.

449
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that's his playing weight. You know, he's

450
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Speaker 1: probably more like one ninety five. Um. You know he's

451
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Speaker 1: not gonna throw here, he's not gonna run here. We

452
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Speaker 1: might have to make a trip to Norman to go

453
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Speaker 1: see him. We'll do that. Uh. And so that's March thirteenth.

454
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Speaker 1: I believe that. Oh, nothing else going on that day.

455
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: It's just the start of the league year and free

456
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Speaker 1: agent done that trip before we know the route. He

457
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Speaker 1: probably won't run at all. I'd be surprised if Kyler

458
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Speaker 1: Murray runs a forty yard dash. That's a process. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 1: there's no reason why. Here's no point health with the

460
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Speaker 1: prote and I think he'll look fine. But you know,

461
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Speaker 1: I'll have to see if he does any athletic testing. Um.

462
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: But that's the conversation. I think if you want Kyler Murray,

463
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Speaker 1: you get to trade up in the top five. And

464
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Speaker 1: that's only if the Cardinals pass at one. I love it.

465
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Speaker 1: Do the Cardinals pass at one? It's okay, I'm just

466
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Speaker 1: and then go I'm asking your crystal ball. This predict

467
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Speaker 1: the biggest storyline of the off take him, I'd say,

468
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Speaker 1: is it that high? I'd say slightly about fifty fifty. Yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I would to go seventy, but I'd

470
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Speaker 1: say slightly about fifty fifty the just and it's hard

471
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Speaker 1: not to get caught up in the moment and you know,

472
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Speaker 1: like the excitement of what that how that would play out?

473
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Speaker 1: But when you connect all the dots, and if you're

474
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Speaker 1: the Cardinals, what is more important defending your top ten

475
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Speaker 1: pick at quarterback from last year or getting the better quarterback?

476
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Speaker 1: If that's how they view Kyler Murray, Yeah, the more

477
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Speaker 1: important thing is getting get right and getting the right quarterback.

478
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Speaker 1: I mean, if if Josh Rosen has a problem with that, well,

479
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Speaker 1: don't be bad enough. We have the top pick. How

480
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Speaker 1: quickly do they need to get rid of Josh Rosen? Now, well,

481
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Speaker 1: they got to decide that they're gonna draft Murray before

482
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Speaker 1: they got to get rid of Josh. Well, they hold

483
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Speaker 1: the first overall pick. No, well, I obviously I feel

484
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Speaker 1: like they have huh if they're I mean, they have

485
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Speaker 1: to do it, which it'll be interesting because like the

486
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Speaker 1: best time to do that is probably in free agency

487
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: so like they could make it, or you wait to

488
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Speaker 1: the draft draft? Who held somebody's feet to the fire? Exactly?

489
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: Who's when you play quarterback? Muscle chairs? Who's left it

490
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Speaker 1: out a chair? I was gonna say, who that doesn't

491
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Speaker 1: have a quarterback is gonna be willing to wait until

492
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Speaker 1: draft night to do something like that? I don't think

493
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Speaker 1: there you can. Well, okay, take a team like the Redskins. Okay,

494
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do in freed and see? If

495
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Speaker 1: you're the Redskins, are you gonna go after Nick Foles? Okay,

496
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: that's fine, good, But if you don't get Nick Foles,

497
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Speaker 1: if you don't get one of the free agent quarterbacks,

498
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Speaker 1: you're picking fifteenth in the first round. Why would you

499
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Speaker 1: go after Nick Foles? If you're the Redskins, You've already

500
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: got so much money invested in But don't Smith thought

501
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: this year? But don't you? Don't you when you when

502
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Speaker 1: you rather try and make a trade and get a

503
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Speaker 1: guy that's gonna be on the cheap. You know what

504
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm gonna do whatever I can to win.

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, what are my options if it's

506
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Speaker 1: Nick Foles or he's Keenum I'm going Nick Foles, giving

507
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: myself the best chance to win. If you're Jake Gruden,

508
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: you're not guaranteed the coach until there's no question about so,

509
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: Bruce Allen, no question about. So you know, you you

510
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: get the best chance whoever's gonna help you with the

511
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: best chance to win twenty nineteen. That's what you have

512
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Speaker 1: to do. And hey, if that's Josh Rosen. The thing

513
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Speaker 1: is that we don't know the pre draft evaluations that

514
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Speaker 1: these teams had on Josh Rosen. Let's remember he was

515
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Speaker 1: a fourth quarterback drafted. A lot of teams were not

516
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Speaker 1: fans of Josh Rosen. So it's no guarantee that it's

517
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Speaker 1: gonna be a first round type of compensation. It's gonna

518
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Speaker 1: be a fascinating market if that's out. If you were Arizona,

519
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Speaker 1: would you take it to for Josh Rosen? Right now?

520
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: You might have a choice. Yeah, what do you do?

521
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: You can't keep them. I they brought in Cliff Kingsbury.

522
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Speaker 1: It's supposed to be this bold departure. He's the you know,

523
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Speaker 1: the college offense guru, and he had nothing to do

524
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Speaker 1: with their decision to pick Josh Rosen. Yeah, And like

525
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna boil it down that simply. I think that's

526
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Speaker 1: why Kyle Murray will be their quarterback, because like that's

527
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: how ego and scheme fit and all that stuff means

528
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: so much in the NFL. I just I feel like

529
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's gonna be like, I need this guy, not that guy. Sorry,

530
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: sorry you drafted him when I wasn't here. That's not

531
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Speaker 1: my fault. I want this guy. Do you think the

532
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: chance that you know, Cliff, being that it's his first job,

533
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: new job and all that, that he feels like he

534
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: has to have Kyler Murray in order to survive. I

535
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: mean they again, this this team farther their head coach

536
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: after one year, it just goes all the way back

537
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Speaker 1: to And that's a perfect example of how this team

538
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: understands that. You know what, if we need to pull

539
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: the plug after one year in our head coach, we'll

540
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: take the flak, We'll take the pr backlash, Like, yes,

541
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: it looks bad on us, but you know what, I'd

542
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: rather get the right guy in here instead of just

543
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: being stubborn and holding onto him even though I know

544
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: he's not the right answer. And the same thing with

545
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Speaker 1: these quarterback If you have a chance to upgrade your

546
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Why wouldn't you do it? But you were

547
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Speaker 1: okay with where Rosen was taken at ten right, I

548
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: was based off of the film, okay, but it's an

549
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: intangible position. And a lot of people have problems with

550
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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen and whether it's because he's a really smart guy.

551
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't really fit status quo in terms

552
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 1: of you know, football, eat, drink, breathe and all that.

553
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: So he's just not going to be for everybody, and

554
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: so I get it. You know, the Rosen conversation is

555
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: tough because we don't fully understand everything behind the scenes,

556
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: and not everyone's gonna be on par with their feelings,

557
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and so it really makes for a fascinating market. Would

558
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: you be surprised if the Giants made a trade for him?

559
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: Would they if they sent their first pick to uh Arizona?

560
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Would you be the first pick? That would be very surprising.

561
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean sixth overall, sixth overall, so yeah, that's their

562
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: first round pick. Would be very That would surprise the

563
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: hell out of me, since the same GM wasn't willing

564
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: to deal up or get a quarterback last year, like

565
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: he thought all those guys were like We're fine. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 1: So now he's gonna give up a top ten pick

567
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: for a guy he wasn't interested in a year ago.

568
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: I doubt it. Miami, Miami's got a Miami thirteen. Miami

569
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and Washington are the two teams. That's twelve and thirteen, right,

570
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: thirteen fifteen thirteen Miami and Redskins. That's dad. Those are

571
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: the two franchises who are on the outside looking in

572
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: in terms of who these who's gonna get these quarterbacks? Miami,

573
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 1: he's really a no man's land at fifteen. That's that's

574
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: ky Washington. Washington. I'm sorry, God, they keep getting that.

575
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: Washington's really no man's right there. Yeah, and that's why

576
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: I threw Washington out there as a possible trade partner

577
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: for Rosen. What if I'm thinking, you know, I'm thinking

578
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: of the Eagles and the Rams in twenty sixteen, Like,

579
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: instead of dealing for Rosen, what if the Rams or them, sorry,

580
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: the Redskins just tried to deal up for Kyler Murray

581
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: and that should be or Dwayne Haskins. If I like,

582
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: if I'm the Redskins, i am doing one of two

583
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: things to fix my quarterback spot. I'm either trading up

584
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: for Haskins or Murray or I'm gonna, you know, look

585
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: for another op. I'm not taking Daniel Jones the fifteen

586
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: and expecting that to work out. I'm gonna go get

587
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: my quarterback. Or I'm gonna, you know, look at either

588
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: Folds or Rosen or someone else in the off season. Yeah,

589
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: I agree. It's uh, you know, it's we knew we're

590
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: gonna have fun first night. We're gonna have a pick,

591
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: but we have fun. It's not even Murray picked football

592
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: over baseball, like that was okay, This is gonna be fun.

593
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: Now with the growing possibility that he could be the

594
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: number one pick, that just makes it even more fun.

595
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: I really feel like we're gonna set a new standard

596
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: for weirdness in the office. Like I think, I think

597
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna see some player for player trades we are.

598
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Flacco already got traded. We forgot about that already,

599
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: But we're gonna see some of those types of trades.

600
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna see people dealing up in the draft. Like

601
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: I think NFL teams are understanding that these decisions aren't

602
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: as permanent as they liked. I mean, we're literally we're

603
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: talking about getting rid of a guy that got drafted

604
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: in the top ten after one year, right, teams are

605
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: just like, screw it, for lack of a better term,

606
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: like we'll fix it it, Like you don't have to

607
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: be committed to this just because you did it a

608
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: year ago. And I think that line of thinking is

609
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: going to lead to more and more chaos at this

610
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: time of year, which I love. No, it's gonna be fun.

611
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, would you rather have Josh

612
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Rosen or Derek Carry if you're removing, if you're moving

613
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: on from a quarterback scene more from card? If? If?

614
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: What if the Raiders get into this at force? And

615
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: that's the problem with with Rosen, With any conversation with Rosen,

616
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: it's it's tough because again we don't know how does

617
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: he interact on a day in, day out basis with

618
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: his coaches, with his teammates, as a leader of men,

619
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: as a CEO of a franchise, whatever cliche you want

620
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: to use. How does he fit in that role? We

621
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: don't understand fully how you know. It's one thing to

622
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: talk about the conjecture about, you know, the personality and

623
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: all that. We just don't because we're not in the building.

624
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: With Josh Rosen, we don't fully know, and it's it's

625
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: it's hard to have any conversation about Rosen without having

626
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: that full understanding. Yeah, because yeah, I mean, Derek Car's

627
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: a three time pro bowler. I mean, I think he

628
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: can win games in this league. He can help you

629
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: compete for the division. But I think Rosen I would

630
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: bet on his tape and bet on what he can

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Speaker 1: And we have to remember that. But again, if you're

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Speaker 1: Like I talked about, We've got some workouts that would

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Speaker 1: be good. I know. Dane was listening to the offensive

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Speaker 1: like it sounded like Dalton Riiser from Kansas State's gonna

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Speaker 1: be offensive tackle. Ye, who would be an option possibly

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Speaker 1: at fifty eight? Love it. Yeah, some people guard tackle

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Speaker 1: kind of accommodation. I've seen you and I both believe you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: better guard, better guard, right, I understand, and that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the versatility is one thing that he has a versatile experience.

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Speaker 1: It's funny, that's it. It's crazy. He his technique could

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Speaker 1: you know. But at the same time he's playing in

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Speaker 1: a conference. I mean, who's the best pass rusher in

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Speaker 1: the Big twelve? Yeah, I mean Dane just stays Hayting

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Speaker 1: on the poort. It's a big ten pays me to

738
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Speaker 1: do this. Kansas has got the kid, and then you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe Texas with the you know, but those are guys

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Speaker 1: that are yeah, you know, nothing again and nothing against him.

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Speaker 1: I mean he played well against montest Seat when State.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just I think he's a solid player. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's more of a like a mid

744
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Speaker 1: second round guy. But there's a good chance he can

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Speaker 1: go in the first. Wouldn't be surprised just because of

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Speaker 1: that versatility. So yeah, and then and then who else?

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Speaker 1: And they were the Ethan Greenidge Villanova another tackle when

748
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: move inside the guard? Another one of those guys. He's

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Speaker 1: a shrine guy. Uh did it? Had a pretty nice

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Speaker 1: week there. But he's definitely moves better than I expected

751
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Speaker 1: him too, So he's a name to keep on the radar. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So Reisner and Greenwich? Yes, right, and Greenwich is more

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Speaker 1: of a late round guy. Yeah later, Okay, good David Hillman,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to turn it over to you. Y'all know

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Speaker 1: I love a good segue. Uh So, too Tall has

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Speaker 1: a question for us talking about possible classifies them as

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Speaker 1: sneaky sneaky O line picks. Um, I get you know,

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Speaker 1: if the Cowboys were gonna use a draft pick on

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Speaker 1: a no lineman, Tyron Smith getting older, Lyle Collins in

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Speaker 1: a contract year, Travis Frederick coming off an injury, or

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Speaker 1: the possibility that you could move Connor Williams to tackle

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to between the positions. What do you

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Speaker 1: think is more likely or the better idea for the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys to spend a pick on. I've been saying tackle forever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think to tackle me personally too. You know, we

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Speaker 1: have to also keep in mind of maybe what some

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Speaker 1: stuff going on in free agency. You know, if Cam

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Speaker 1: Fleming is a free agent, Cam Fleming is a free

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Speaker 1: agent though, uh we the you know, we we talked

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Speaker 1: about some of the things. Some of the other teams

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Speaker 1: got a guy at Jacksonville that left the Cowboys, Jeremy Parnell.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell. Jeremy Parnell might be a cap casualty guy

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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. So if you have the opportunity to potentially

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Speaker 1: bring back a guy like instead of bringing you bring

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Speaker 1: back Jeremy Parnell, instead of signing and signing Fleming, Camp

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Speaker 1: Fleming with that interest you more than drafting a guy.

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Speaker 1: And that's just again, I like some of these offensive tackles. Again,

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Speaker 1: here's the guy I keep saying again again again, but

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Speaker 1: I'm the guy that wants to draft to keep drafting

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman tight ends, you do defensive ends again, this

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Speaker 1: team has had success doing that. It's so hard to

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Speaker 1: balance between drafts are about three and four years, and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are trying to take the next step because

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Speaker 1: they got talent. They have an absurd amount of interior

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Speaker 1: line talent, especially if Travis Frederick is able to come

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Speaker 1: back completely healthy. Right and then you know, yeah, Lyle

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Speaker 1: Collins is in a contract year, but you can probably

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Speaker 1: finagle that in free agency for another year or two

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Speaker 1: if you want to. How long's Luny in a contract

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Speaker 1: for one year? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, got to But

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Speaker 1: but think about think about his name maybe if he

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Speaker 1: becomes available, Jeremy Parnell, think about that name could be

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Speaker 1: a possibility fifty eight or in the third round. CALEA.

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Speaker 1: McGarry from Washington. I think that he's a good player.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. He destroyed my guy Jelks. I

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Speaker 1: mean that, yeah, first play, yeah, Oregon, the defensive end though,

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Speaker 1: any do you what do you think about if you

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Speaker 1: look at we talk about the USC kid though he

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Speaker 1: kind of oh we we his football character is just

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Speaker 1: a mess. Okay, okay, I can't repeat some of the

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Speaker 1: words that I was told about. Just you know, he's there.

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Speaker 1: Just things you worry about and maybe the light bulb

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Speaker 1: will come on when he gets to the pro level.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not I'd be surprised if he goes in

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Speaker 1: the first seventy right Chuma Adoga from USA. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the quickness, the length, really like what you see. But

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Speaker 1: in terms of working his butt off and living up

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Speaker 1: to his potential, yeah, that's uh. I'm not gonna go

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Speaker 1: out on West Virginia's could juice. Yeah, threw it up

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Speaker 1: pretty well to day. I think that was in the thirties,

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Speaker 1: thirty thirty two. Yeah, reps, I mean, yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: that was pretty good right there for him. How about

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Speaker 1: your center, by the way, too, press center in the draft,

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Speaker 1: ar Bradbury Bradberry from North Carolina State end. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm just giving you guys down the

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Speaker 1: center road. No, no, some of the best, the best center,

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Speaker 1: the best center in the draft, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: with Dane and then he threw the he threw it

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Speaker 1: up thirty four times. I want to say, he's a

820
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Speaker 1: short armed guy, so you know, but that's okay, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's a good start to the

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Speaker 1: day start for tight end. You have the defensive line,

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Speaker 1: the no offensive line, and he's been a stud at

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Speaker 1: center of Absolutely there you go. Y'all are gonna love

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Speaker 1: this because it's about measurements. UM six three two coach.

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Speaker 1: Coach says Devin Singletary, a guy y'all like, came in.

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Speaker 1: He came in a little bit shorter than expected. Any

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Speaker 1: chance that could push him into the fourth round place

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Speaker 1: where the Cowboys feel comfortable drafting him. I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody cares about height at running back. I don't, I

831
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Speaker 1: mean not at all. What does height matter? Build that's

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Speaker 1: builds all that matters. Cohen's playing pretty well, so I mean,

833
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Speaker 1: but if Terry Cohen was you know, five to seven,

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Speaker 1: but he's two hundred pounds, right, it wouldn't matter. It's

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Speaker 1: just height. If anything, height makes you maybe more elusive,

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Speaker 1: you know. So you're saying no, yeah, height will not

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Speaker 1: with his weight in terms of you know, because I

839
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Speaker 1: think he was to A one maybe and he's not yah.

840
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: I think he's la Sean McCoy. I don't think he's

841
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: getting out of second. You have not changed what it is.

842
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: So what did he come in at? Height? Wise five

843
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: or seven? Two? It was yeah, okay, and did something

844
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: was there somebody comped him to Maurice Jones Drew or

845
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: did I make that up? I don't know. You're right,

846
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 1: why would It's a rhetorical question. I don't know. Second round,

847
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: top forty. This guy is the film is back. Yeah.

848
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: He has such a unique way of making guys miss.

849
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: Like guys just it clicks, and it clicks for him.

850
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: He understands not only does he have the juice in

851
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: the athleticism to make guys mess, he understands how to

852
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: do it. See that he gets some scouts, like a

853
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: guy that Greg Gabriel, who used to be a general manager,

854
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: worked with the Bears and all that. If you follow

855
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: Greg on Twitter, who's a very good follower because he's

856
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: a former you know, general manager, scout and guy like that.

857
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: He is not high on the player. He understands why

858
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: people liked the player, but he doesn't think he does

859
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: enough between the tackles, and I disagree on that. I

860
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: see in the games I watched, I saw a guy

861
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: that was tough. There were times where they didn't block

862
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: for him at all. Okay, but he had to make

863
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: a run between danes over here crapping on the Big

864
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: twelve though, I mean this guy. That's fair. He led

865
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: the FBS and broken tackles, but it is fair to

866
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: play them tackles against guys that are never gonna play

867
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: football again. And I would point out that he played Oklahoma, lawyers,

868
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to call somebody that plays that the American. Yeah,

869
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: if you're playing the American, you're better than an account.

870
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: It's so a Florida bunch that LSU took to the

871
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: mat and hadn't lost a game in a while. They

872
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't take us to the matt. We kicked their pot. No, no, no,

873
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: we took them to the I'm saying, yeah, all right,

874
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: good No. And I would point out that FAU played

875
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Oklahoma this year, but I wouldn't want to get a

876
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: big twelve credits. That's fair. That was some film you

877
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: could watch him actually play exactly. We touched on Hollywood

878
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: Brown in the first segment. But Austin wants to know

879
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: if the weight, and I'll throw in the Liz Frank two.

880
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: So he's one sixty six, one sixty six, which is

881
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: boggles my mind because he had the surgery in January, Like,

882
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: why aren't you eating McDonald's every day so you can't

883
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: work out here and he needs to go. He needs

884
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: to go to combine with me, is what he needs

885
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: to do everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, you don't have to get overweight,

886
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: but just put on get over one seventy get close

887
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: to one seventy five. So do you know, do you

888
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: think the weight and the injury are enough to push

889
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: him down in Cowboys territory or no? Probably not? You

890
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: you like him anyway? You set top four? That right?

891
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: If I if if I told you he's gonna have

892
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: a DeShawn Jackson like career production only Oh hell yeah,

893
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: where you draft him first round? Okay? Yeah, and that's

894
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: what fift. Well, there will be a team that believes

895
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: that Marky's Brown can have a DeShawn Jackson type of

896
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: career in the NFL. I just went like that DeShawn

897
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: Jackson was like one sixty nine or something. I'm not

898
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: saying it can't be done. It just scares the hell

899
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: out of me. Understandable, certainly. I mean there's not a

900
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: huge sample size of these guys. So five nine three, yeah,

901
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: five nine, one sixty six. Yeah, Like Devin Singletary could

902
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: take him on like easy. When he arrived at Oklahoma

903
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: two years ago, he was one hundred and forty pounds,

904
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: and he added, you know how I feel hearing you

905
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: say that, I'm just like geez, like I got, I'm

906
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: a husky. Let's go get dinner after this. Yeah, yes,

907
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: we'll do that, all right, Dane. I'm just gonna keep

908
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: peppering you with questions. Yeah, I'm glad you're peppering him.

909
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: Jake says, we've talked about Jerry Tillary before. You've kind

910
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: of hinted it some. You've hinted it some off field situations.

911
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: So can you expand on your concerns on that and

912
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: your thoughts on him as a possibility at pick fifty eight.

913
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: I think with Hillary it comes down to Notre Dame,

914
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: by the way, based on talent as a first round pick,

915
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: where does football come in the pecking order on his

916
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: priority list? Um, He's he's an academic. He's a guy

917
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 1: who when he committed to Notre Dame, you know someone

918
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: asked him, how, uh you know? Where does you know?

919
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: Why are you getting out? Because he was a Louisiana guy.

920
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: Why are you getting out of the SEC? Well? SEC

921
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: schools didn't have what I wanted and academically they didn't

922
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: have They can't offer what I need. I mean, very

923
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: arrogant about his academic But he's a worldly guy. I mean,

924
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: he interned in Ireland, He's been all over the world traveling.

925
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: He's just not necessarily a football first type of player.

926
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: And that's gonna bother a lot of teams and I yeah,

927
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: but he's a powerful at the point. So that's that.

928
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: That is that's the problem. That's it. That's that's part

929
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: of it. Wide receiver. That the kid with the funny

930
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: name that we kept saying was a worldly Brown, Yeah,

931
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: Saint Brown, fifth round, sixth round. How about the dude

932
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: because I call him a worldly guy. How about the

933
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: badass doctor for the Chiefs. What's that guy's name? Oh yeah,

934
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: my guy from Canada. Um, pretty good player. Yeah, I mean,

935
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: and he's a doctor he wanted to put No, it's

936
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: I did a big story on him back when he

937
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: was coming out, and I really liked him. He's sold

938
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: me in the Shrine game. Um. But but we're talking

939
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: about he was drafting Link the fifth round. Yeah, I

940
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about Yeah, it's like we talk about

941
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray talking about Kyler Murray and Russell Wilson, like

942
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Wilson was a third round pick, right,

943
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, we're not talking about the same value and

944
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: the same risk. So for a guy like Jerry Tillery,

945
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,919
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go in the second round, But

946
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, does someone take a chance on him the

947
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: first especially in a defensive line rich draft where uh,

948
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: you know one of these you know you're taking him

949
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: over you know some of these other defensive tackles. Now,

950
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: if he's there at fifty eight, that'll be an interesting scenario.

951
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: I will say, So, you're just doing your job, your due, dealers.

952
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: I get that. Me. I hate I hate that. I

953
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: hate that teams are gonna ing a guy for being

954
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: like brilliant and oh my god, something besides football might

955
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: interest this guy. Like, I hate that, I will say, though,

956
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: I'll contradict myself. Remember John or Shell too. Yep, he's

957
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: the mathematician. He's a fifth round pick, but like he

958
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 1: just straight up retired from football to be a genius

959
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: math guy exactly. I understand why that would spook a team.

960
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: It's like, well, are you even gonna care enough to

961
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: keep playing a year after we draft you? Two years

962
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: after we draft is the thing? After a couple of

963
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: practices in the NFL where he's getting, you know, is

964
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: head kicked in Like he's gonna think to himself, I

965
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: could be making decent money doing something else, traveling the

966
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: world like you know, like that. That's the worry with

967
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: a guy like that, Is he going to really how

968
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: importing his football? Really too? Exactly? And she or Shell

969
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: retired after his third season. Yeah, enough money to teach math.

970
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: So I understand the concern, but it still kind of

971
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: irks me that, oh God forbidden, let's talk about the players.

972
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the player of himself though we I

973
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: talked about a point of attack guy, and my last

974
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: bit of notes I said, I don't ever think he's

975
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna have huge sack numbers. But you're gonna get a

976
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna push and he's gonna and he's gonna

977
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: play the run well wherever he lands. Did you watch

978
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: the Stanford tape? I watched USC Northwestern Syracuse, Michigan. The

979
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Stanford tape is the best tape. Easy, easy and get

980
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: four sacks that game. And and I agree with you

981
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: for the most part. But he showed he has such

982
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: a wide because he's so long, right, but his legs

983
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: right now he has such a wide impact radius. I

984
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: mean he can find his gap to squirt into the backfield.

985
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: But he is powerful. Uh so I think, yeah, is

986
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: it first round talent? Right? I don't think there's too

987
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: many that the lack of love for football is a concern. Yeah,

988
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: well you just yeah, you worry about is he all

989
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: in okay? And is he going to be all in

990
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: two years from now, three years from now. It's just

991
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: it's a tough conversation to have with when we're getting

992
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: this knowledge secondhand. You know, like it makes me uncomfortable

993
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: in a way, just because I've never talked to Jerry Tillary,

994
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: so I you know, I can't say he's gonna get

995
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: We're going an opportunity to talk to him here a

996
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, but you know I'm going based on

997
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: based on what scouts tell me. You know, it's not

998
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: we're not creating this information. These guys are going to

999
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: school and finding it out kind of a pole on

1000
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: the curtain house. Scouts are really looking at these guys.

1001
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh, we got time for one more. Yeah,

1002
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: I got plenty of time. Oh okay, good, Oh we

1003
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: were only doing one break this year exactly, all right, well,

1004
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: I want to throw away, but uh well it's not

1005
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: even it's not really draft related. It is a little bit. Um.

1006
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: You saw the video of DeMarcus Ware, right, yeah, Like

1007
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: right after the Jason Winton News, DeMarcus Ware posted a

1008
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: video on Twitter where he's like, well maybe I should

1009
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: too if they're giving you five million dollars, which if

1010
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: you know anything about DeMarcus Ware like that dude is

1011
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: still in disgusting shape. Yeah, like, are you down? Like

1012
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I'd be down. That's basically all I'm saying. Darren Woodson

1013
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: said the same thing. I mean, Darren Woodson's a little

1014
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: bit further playing if DeMarcus Ware, when we talk about

1015
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: at the top of yesterday's show, Randy Gregory isn't available. Yeah,

1016
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: if DeMarcus Ware could give me a question. So well,

1017
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: somebody said, um, if he's serious, do you think Dallas

1018
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: would sign him? You don't think they would if he

1019
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: was serious and not just playing around. I think I

1020
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: don't think so. Why he's been out of football for

1021
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: what two years? Two years? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, okay,

1022
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: asking twenty five snaps a game. What's his health condition?

1023
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: Have you seen the dude's workout videos? He's great, the neck,

1024
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: the back and all that stuff. Does he really want

1025
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: to play? I don't know what he really want to play.

1026
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: That's if he's serious, and I don't think he is.

1027
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: For the record, No, he look he looks. He looks

1028
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: very happy at home with his family. Saw his kids

1029
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: had on Dallas Maverick Jerseys. The right now that if

1030
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: he signed this week, and like you would get excited

1031
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: about it, there's no question. Yeah. I think he could

1032
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: give you four to six sacks if you could stay healthy,

1033
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: which is the production that's exactly well yeah, okay, Well

1034
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: what do they got instead? Nothing? Right now? Not a might?

1035
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: So come on in draft a little bit. I think

1036
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: how you and your draft? I just want to draft.

1037
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: I just want to draft. If they had success drafting?

1038
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: Is the draft show? Had they have? They had success drafting?

1039
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: Of course? Well, yes, better success drafting or picking free agents,

1040
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: much better success drafting Taco Charlton. No, that's but that's

1041
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: he seems to be the only one right now. Only

1042
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: since twenty ten, all of their picks in the first

1043
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: round except Mo and Taco haven't been named All Pro

1044
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: at some point in their career. Is that good? That's insane? Yeah,

1045
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. James. All right, this so got a

1046
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: lot of Witten questions. I've been avoiding them because we

1047
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: talked about it so much in the first part. But um,

1048
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: let's so we're gonna assume that they're not that interested

1049
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: in tight end just for the purposes of this. Sorry,

1050
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: Brian James says, with Witten back, what position group makes

1051
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: the most sense for you in the second round? Probably

1052
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I'm just gonna say defensive line period, like

1053
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: if it's an end, because what's gonna happen is I'm

1054
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: gonna keep I'm gonna keep Crawford. Then on the outside, yeah,

1055
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna and I'm gonna have him armstrong and

1056
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 1: on the other side, I'm gonna have assuming they get

1057
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: Laurence done, which I think they will, and then think

1058
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: they will, and then then they're gonna have and then

1059
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: uh Taco. So yeah, I would they need more help?

1060
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: They do not have the numbers inside. No, that they

1061
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: do at least if we had, if the Cowboys had

1062
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: to play a game, then they hadn't needed a rotation.

1063
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: They have four guys. Yeah, they do not have. They

1064
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: don't have. They do not They don't have enough defensive

1065
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: tap in my last market, had Ronel Ran from Arizona

1066
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 1: State to the Cowboys. That's not that's not a bad

1067
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: pick at all. And so that's Kaylin Saunders. You know

1068
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: that that's who you're looking at in fifty eight in

1069
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: that range. I'm sure we've talked about that. But again,

1070
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, this is a team that's been reluctant to

1071
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: spend resources on one techniques and that's more of what

1072
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, it's funny because if you we found

1073
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: about Melee Collins, where was he drafted? Yeah, you know,

1074
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: what's fair. Difference of eight picks, that's fair. You know,

1075
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: it's I think it's enough where it might not be

1076
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: the sexiest, but you know, it's what this team needs.

1077
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: I think for people that follow the Cowboys draft, I

1078
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: think they would find it very sexy. They're like, oh

1079
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: my god, we're finally drafting a defensive tackle. It's very true.

1080
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: And Kaylin Saunders from Western Illinois talking about a guy

1081
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: that wants to play football, wants to be a big

1082
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: time player. His girlfriend literally had a baby during Senior

1083
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: Bowl week and he stayed in practice. Oh yeah, this

1084
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: is the guy that did the cartwheel or the backflip. Yeah,

1085
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: my butt would have been on a plane and go

1086
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: meet my first child. Yeah, he stayed. He played all

1087
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: the way through the game on Saturday. Yeah, on Saturday.

1088
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: I give him credit that that. I know it's a

1089
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: job interview and that's expected, but good on him. Good question.

1090
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: What with the success rate they've had in the first round,

1091
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: do you think they try and jump back in or

1092
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: should they jump back in? I know it's a question

1093
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: we answered last night, but you guys, you're just sessed

1094
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: with him. No, no, no, But I just I think

1095
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: it's a fair que. I think it's fair like they've

1096
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,439
Speaker 1: had success drafted first round player. You should never say never,

1097
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: But like what are we talking about? Like, who's the player?

1098
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: How far are you going? What are you giving up? Again? Yeah,

1099
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to blindly. You don't trade up for

1100
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: a position. You trade it for a player, and just

1101
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: depends on if that player is gonna be. I mean,

1102
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: would you trade next year's one and fifty eight to

1103
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: go get Montes Sweat? I would sure consider that because

1104
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: I really do like Montes Sweat. Yeah, he's one of

1105
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: my he's one of my Just imagining Brian, He's like, well,

1106
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: can he play right in like is he more of

1107
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: a left? Like does he have the been like six

1108
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: o five six? That's like, are you convinced is he

1109
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: Like you would rather trade for an end than you

1110
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: would a tackle, right, there's not a tackle to you,

1111
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: there's not a tackle trading up for a tackle unless

1112
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: it's like in Dominican sue unless at Oliver. Listen, there's

1113
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: a lot of scheme questions of that Oliver if he

1114
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: falls to pick twenty two. But again like but again,

1115
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: like it's such a steep price. Yeah, it is. Is

1116
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: such a steep price, they might like him enough to

1117
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: go do that. I mean as odd Marinelli's the coach here.

1118
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: You know he wants a freaking undertackle, always more and

1119
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: more undertackles. That would be fun. I don't see it happening.

1120
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I think it's a long shot, but that would be

1121
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: one scenario where I could see your unrealistic yeah option

1122
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: of trading up to the first where I could see

1123
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: it happening. I just I'm just trying to create scenarios.

1124
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: And we talked about it with Hawkinson, and yeah, at

1125
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: Oliver is one of those guys if you were to fall, Yeah,

1126
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: I could see him go give is you give next

1127
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 1: years first to get at Oliver? I'm not necessarily saying

1128
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: I would. I could see this team doing that. Okay,

1129
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: could you see this team move Okay? Wait, how about this? Then?

1130
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: What if? Where do you think that Simmons is gonna

1131
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: end up? Okay, because I've heard anywhere between twenty five

1132
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: and forty five. Oh, I'm so terrified of that. Do

1133
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: you move up? Would you give one of your fourth

1134
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: round picks to move up to draft one of my

1135
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: fourth round picks? Wait? How how far are we going?

1136
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna go end up in the second round. We're

1137
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: gonna try and try and get inside the forties. Case

1138
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: real this is just a good opportunity for a segue,

1139
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: because Joe asked, he said, talk trade up more realistically.

1140
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: Who's someone that you know, let's say they that's what

1141
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: we're trying to talk about. That. Well, I'm just I'm

1142
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: trying to give jaw a shout out here. Appreciate Joe,

1143
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: that's what we're talking about. Who could you see falling

1144
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: to like forty five? We're all like, all of a sudden,

1145
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about going up. Doesn't that fly in the

1146
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: face of taking the next step. Yes, but this team,

1147
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, guy coming off an a Yes, he's

1148
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: not gonna help you. That's what I was trying to say, Dave,

1149
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: until you like to kind of like kick me in

1150
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the junk. You're trying you just want me to trade

1151
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: everything away like you always do. I was trying to

1152
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: go get a real players, a real player who can't

1153
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: play right now. Yeah, it's true. Let the Patriots draft

1154
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Simmons. They've earned that, right Yeah. And then well yeah, okay,

1155
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: I mean like, are we trying to then we have

1156
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: to watch another ring presentation for the ninth straight year.

1157
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: Are we trying to take the Well, so cowboys are

1158
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: gonna win a ring drafting their best years, not gonna

1159
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: playing that. Maybe maybe one day we're gonna we're gonna

1160
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: take the next step, or are we gonna like, well,

1161
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: next year just because Jeffrey Simons will be all except

1162
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: we just signed Jason Witten for a year and the

1163
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: next step, man, the next step? Yeah? Uh, don't you

1164
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: got anything on periscope? I think I used most of them.

1165
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: You saw your stuff? Maybe up here a periscope folk,

1166
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: and we'll try and get you. Uh, let's see, let's see,

1167
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: let's see a lot of people discuss thing they ask about.

1168
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: Oh h Dalen Mac texas A and m as they

1169
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: ask about about him, Dane or round? What round do

1170
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 1: you think Dalen mac goes in? He's borderline top one hundred. Um.

1171
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: You know he's had a good pre draft process so far. Uh.

1172
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: Certainly back to what we saw today, we heard from

1173
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman at the podium. Got you Jonah Williams

1174
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: Alabama left tackle. What was he talking about? He was

1175
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of sparring with the media, wasn't he? He He the

1176
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: moment he sat down, he knew the length questions were coming. Oh,

1177
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: he studied up on this stuff, and so he sat down.

1178
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: First words out of his mouth. He's talking Joe Thomas.

1179
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: He's trying to Joe Staley. He knows the tackles that

1180
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: came in under thirty four inch arms. Uh. And you

1181
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: know at one point he talked into reporter had had

1182
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: a great quote about, uh, if your arms were longer,

1183
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: you'd be able to reach a keyboard better. But it

1184
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: doesn't make you necessarily a good writer. A writer right line?

1185
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: And so I know we have a clip of that

1186
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: count of Jooney Williams talking today I mean, I don't.

1187
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't have to come up here and be defensive

1188
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: and you know, tell everyone they're wrong. Everyone's entitled to

1189
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: have their opinion. If your opinion is that there's a

1190
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: certain benchmark that you have to pass to be attack,

1191
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: well that's your opinion. I'm not going to change that,

1192
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: and my arms aren't going to grow, you know, like longer.

1193
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: So I think you watched the film. You make your

1194
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: own You make your own decisions, and the decisions that

1195
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: matter to me is the one that these NFL teams

1196
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: that I've been speaking with this whole week. That's Williams.

1197
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: Hey dish it out a little bit, huh. He knew

1198
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: the questions were coming and he was ready for them.

1199
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: And if he came in under thirty three inch arms,

1200
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: then I think your concerns are not your concerns, but

1201
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: the doubters concerns are valid. But he came in at

1202
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: thirty three and three quarters in charms, like I understand

1203
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: that falls below the thirty four inch threshold that some

1204
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: teams have. He has more than enough length and is

1205
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: tap is more than good enough to justify using a

1206
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: top ten pick on him. And listen, if you're gonna

1207
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: tell me he's gonna be a better guard center. I

1208
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: can understand that. You know, I'm not gonna say you're

1209
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: necessarily wrong, But don't tell me you can't love tackle

1210
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: because the tape says you can. What's funny, though, if

1211
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: you want to watch Farrell from Clemson, that's a good

1212
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: tape to watch in the National Championship game. If you

1213
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: somehow you know you're the scouts out and sitting out

1214
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: there watching, If you want to watch Farrell have a

1215
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: have a good game, that's a great matchup because they

1216
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: went back and forth. I say Jonah got him a

1217
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: couple of times, got a couple of different times. Definitely

1218
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: a good time, a good good tape for Farrell. But

1219
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Jonah held his own more than a few times. So

1220
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: it was a good battle. Here. Are you gonna be

1221
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: surprised at what the order of these first round offensive

1222
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: tackles are, how different people will have them, whether that's

1223
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: williams Ford little Taylor Are you're gonna be gonna be

1224
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: shocked at any of the order. No. I mean because

1225
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: it's because I expect it to be volatile. I actually

1226
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: that's not gonna be something that's I think everybody's gonna

1227
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: be all over the place on that. There's no consensus. Yeah,

1228
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: so we'll see how they comes. It could be Taylor

1229
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: than Dillard, than Jonah Williams. I mean, I would not

1230
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: be shocked at any of that order, Dane. Dane says

1231
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: it slowly and in nunciates. You're just like Dillard william

1232
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: like just like eight names. And I'm like, wait, he's

1233
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 1: talking about Taylor, Joan Taylor. Okay, No, I'll talk about

1234
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle. I know, William Ford, Little Taylor, Cody Ford. Yeah,

1235
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: I'm like, says Dillard. We watched Dillard the other day. Man,

1236
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: he was not He's got the feet. He's got the feet. Yeah,

1237
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: he's got I mean he might feed. He's got i'm sorry,

1238
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: bad music off the stage, yet knows exactly how to

1239
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: work the Old Gong show. Well that's that's all the

1240
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: time we have for the Draft show tonight. Thank you

1241
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: guys so much for hanging out with us. Uh. We

1242
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: do appreciate you know when you do that. We love

1243
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: the periscope, we love the interaction with the Twitter. On

1244
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: the twenty uh tomorrow, we'll actually have some guys working

1245
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: out be able to talk about how these offensive lineman. Dane,

1246
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: one thing real quick. When you're watching these offensive lineman,

1247
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: what do you look for? Real quick? Ten yards split,

1248
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: three cone and then positional drills? How did it do

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Speaker 1: in the mirror drills? Movement movement is bit okay. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you guys tomorrow night. Again. Thanks everybody

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Speaker 1: out there, and we'll see you down the road.