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Speaker 1: that journey of how they got there. I think you

424
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: were probably at we were getting off off the Girl

425
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: Group and talking about how we met, and so were

426
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: you signed to Jimmy Jimmy Terry Lewis. I was a

427
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: part of their writing camp, so yeah, it was almost

428
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: like I wasn't technically signed, but we were just I

429
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: was on all of their projects that they were doing.

430
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: So that's actually how I got like a lot of

431
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: my little you know, movie credits. So I would be

432
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: on a keeling the Bee and I would be you know,

433
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: doing backgrounds and my daughter's favorite movie shout out to

434
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Kick I Love. She's been saying in the in the

435
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: in the news. Yeah she's incomparable. So yeah, let's just

436
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: start there. Um. But but yeah, it's so I got

437
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Will and Grays to a lot of a lot of

438
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: different stuff that during that time, whatever they were on,

439
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I was on, you know, whatever they were writing for whatever.

440
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: So that's actually when I don't know if you guys

441
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: remember the movie Jumping the Broom, So that was did

442
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: you want you wanted to be what character? Because I

443
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: was gonna ask could you give us what they call

444
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: it monologue? Is that what they call it? Yeah, okay,

445
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: my line. I was supposed to be the Ray character.

446
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: Oh you would have been funny that one. But he

447
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: was funny too. He was funny too. But you know

448
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: so much I'm doing so I'm doing the audition and

449
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just being natural, you know what, I'm

450
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: grapes on the table and I saw like my you know,

451
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: see the grapes on me us the grapes probably grab

452
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: a grape to a grape. No no, I started dying

453
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: of the only men. And what's the that was looking

454
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: at me? No, no, used to be that was um

455
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Um married to baby face. Tracy was looking at me

456
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: like did you grab my grape? Like not only were

457
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: they not community crazy, they were someone else's grapes. Yeah,

458
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm still too much. Yeah you haven't been. I haven't

459
00:30:55,360 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: been in any of her movie. Sorry, I'm now talked

460
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: to man. Oh my god, you took her grape and

461
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: she said no thing. The grapes said no, thanks to me.

462
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: You took that, you took the role. Actually that was

463
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: like my I was getting more into the writing. Like

464
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: I said, I just loved I just wanted to be

465
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: just a part of the process. I didn't have to be,

466
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, on stage. It was just writing and producing.

467
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: And so I learned so much during those years with Jimmy,

468
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: Jamin Terry and so my kind of like my big

469
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: I would say, like my big break was when I

470
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: was on Tick six's album, Um who I considered it

471
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: be like my brothers, and I was doing this song

472
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: called someone to Watch Over Me, And of course y'all

473
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: know Stevie Wonder love some some Take six you said, man,

474
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta accomplish something and stop it. I

475
00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: don't know the guys, so um Stevie heard and he

476
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: was like, who is this girl? I want to meet her? Um,

477
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, And so okay, I'll tell you guys that story.

478
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: That story's champagne on here because if not, she's probably

479
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: poured it all over me, all of it. Stee Wonder,

480
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: Stevie Wonder wants to know girl. It wasn't okay, But

481
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm just tell you how off I was. Okay, So

482
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: I'll give a little background. As I told you, guys

483
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: would being with Jimmy and Terry, everybody would come through there,

484
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: you know. So I remember when Maurice White was and

485
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: I treasured these moments. I didn't realize how special it was.

486
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: I knew it was special. Teers win in Fire and

487
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I remember I played and sings on me and he's like, girl,

488
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: you've got some chords. And I'm just like, just those

489
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: kind of moments would happened there all the time. So

490
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm prefacing the story by saying that. So I go

491
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: and I meet Stevie and and up Stephanie, who still

492
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: works with him. I love her to death. I just

493
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: talked to her not too long ago. Um she wanted

494
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: to surprise him with me just showing up to the studio.

495
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: So I go to the studio and you know, Stevie

496
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: is he was in the middle of doing something, so

497
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: he was like recording something else. So I'm just kind

498
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: of like on the couch or somewhere waiting. So hour

499
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: goes by, another hour goes by, and I'm just like, yeah,

500
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I gotta go, you know, I gotta go, Like I

501
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: have I got ship to do. Somebody tells Stevie I

502
00:33:44,040 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: was here. That's not part Please don't air this part. Okay,

503
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: but that's not even it. That's not even the bad part.

504
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: So so I talked. So I talked to them and

505
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, I was all on God man,

506
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: he protects babies and food. So so anyway, so I'm

507
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: like I'm meeting him. I'm just kind of like, okay,

508
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: cool I met. I met Stevie Wonder and so I

509
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: was just like they were like, oh. He was like, well,

510
00:34:42,200 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, can you come by tomorrow? And I was like, no, okay, yeah,

511
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry. Oh god, Stevie don't work on Friday. Friday. No,

512
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a Friday. That wouldn't make the worst.

513
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't even Friday. So so I called my sister

514
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you know, I just met Stevie.

515
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: You know, he was busy all the time. I just

516
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: got to say hi, that's it. And she said, well

517
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: what happened? She said, you know, what do they say?

518
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I got some thing to do.

519
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: I really I could make it back. She was like

520
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: Leia that she doesn't curse, but she would have said

521
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: that Stevie Wonder, that's Stevie Wonder. And I was like,

522
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 1: what if my time to borrow? The next day I call,

523
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: they don't answer. Yeah, So I just showed up. I

524
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: literally just showed up. I just went to the studio

525
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: and I will never forget. I can literally see where

526
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: everybody was sitting, and he was. He wasn't there yet,

527
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: and so when he came in, somebody must assess something.

528
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: And I laughed and he was like, you came back.

529
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: He recognized meeting just meeting me yesterday, and he's like,

530
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: you came back. And the rest is history. I mean

531
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: after that, we just connected so so deeply, and I

532
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: went I remember going to the piano and we were

533
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: just singing. And later on that um yere so that

534
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: was he was about to go on tour. So that

535
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: Christmas I sang for his House full of Toys, you

536
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: know the show he does every year. Um and I did.

537
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: Who could Imagine the King? And I just remember thinking like,

538
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: oh my god, am I really butt cheeked butt cheek

539
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: with Stevie Wonder. I'm sitting at the piano, He's like

540
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: sitting at the roads. And that was just kind of

541
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: the startup to be probably one of the most beautiful

542
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: friendships that I have in this world. And I tell people,

543
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: like everything that you think about him, you know when

544
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: you when you hear, like back to what you were saying,

545
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: how certain songs conjure up certain memories. You know when

546
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: you hear you know, you are the sunshine of my

547
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,919
Speaker 1: life from my stree more, how it feels like light.

548
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: He really is like that, he is that light. And um,

549
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: you know I've never heard him we joke. I mean

550
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: we we talked with each other all the time, just

551
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: up on stage like just we have the most hilarious

552
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: let him your nah because it's just like this, there's

553
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: these rumors. No, well, I don't know. I haven't experienced

554
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: that with Okay, okay, I have every time we've been

555
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: that you ain't that close thing because you ain't well

556
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Eve been driven driven now have a drive. We when

557
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: we had we had Ray Parker Jr. One and he

558
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: told the story about how like you know, they would

559
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: let Stevie drive in the open, like all the road

560
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: that kind of open, but you know, let him drive.

561
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: I fumbled my Stevie Stevie moment. What was yours? I

562
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: was so, I was so star struck. Yeah, and I

563
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: had sing Stevie songs for all sorts of weddings. Course,

564
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: of course, Stevie Wonder walks into my show I was

565
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: performing at Universal City Walk. Was there like a people

566
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: kings up? What was that up there? Yeah? Yeah it

567
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: was it was Stevie Wonder shows up and comes on

568
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: stage with me, and we sit down on my piano

569
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: and he starts playing and singing my song. And I'm

570
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: supposed to go back and sing his song with his

571
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: lyrics and play it, and I blank, I blank, I

572
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: don't know the words to Ribbing in the Sky. Yeah. Yeah.

573
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: Times he brought me a gift like a recorder and

574
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: a microphone and fumble first first football player. You know

575
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: you play football? I got and I never playing football.

576
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I play football too. Back off in safety

577
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: on defense where I played in high school and college,

578
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: I mean, not like professional and you know I played

579
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: the Inner Murals. Yeah, so you're an athlete. It's putting

580
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: hands on you out here, just just tackling people. No back,

581
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah you're gone. Okay, I respect new rispect to another place. Yeah,

582
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: back and back and safe and say that means she

583
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: liked to hear people tap m yeah, click click, last

584
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: resort you know, yeah, Okay, So what does it ever

585
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: come to you? Do you ever? Do you ever sing

586
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: the lyric? Or does he prompt you like what happened?

587
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: Let's get off of my stuper because yours is way better.

588
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: You go from this amazing moment takes six Stevie comes

589
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: in now friendship and and then I don't hear. Then

590
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: I don't hear from them for years, from Stevie, from

591
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Steve for years. And that's I always tell people, like

592
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: you don't reach Stevie, Stevie reaches you. And it wasn't

593
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: until I did, uh when Whitney passed, God rest her soul,

594
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: and I did. I literally was just at this one

595
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: of my dearest friends, Tony Shepard, I was at his

596
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: house and I was just at the keyboard and I

597
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: just went through like just some of my favorite songs

598
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: of hers, and it kind of went like semi viral,

599
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: like a lot of people like that where her dancers.

600
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: This is after she passed. Her dancers, singers, best friends, family,

601
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: they all reached out to me, and even her daughter

602
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: reached out Bobby Christina May. She also rest in peace,

603
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: and she was like, when I hear you sing, I

604
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: feel my mom's spirit with me and if my if

605
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: my mom was here, she would be so proud of you.

606
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: So somebody sent Stevie that and he they were like,

607
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: there's a there's this girl. She's like singing. Her name

608
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: is she Sho. He's like Chaliah. They're like, yeah, yeah,

609
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: that's it. So he calls me, and then after that

610
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,479
Speaker 1: we just stayed connected, but you know, going through different lives.

611
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: He I think he was going through a divorce at

612
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: that time, you know, just different life, which I just

613
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: didn't hear from him for a couple of years. I

614
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: went through it afore, you know what I mean. So

615
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: I had to also learn to be very specific. I

616
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: remember Stevie asked me, he said, what do you want

617
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: me to do for you? Wow? And because I was

618
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: so afraid of coming off, how do you answer that?

619
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that? How do you answer that?

620
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 1: Because I didn't Hey, I didn't know how to answer that,

621
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: and be I didn't want to come across like so okay,

622
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: I need you to do this, this, this, this, and that.

623
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, I just want you to just

624
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, keep loving me. The way you do and

625
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: what I'm what I've learned now since then, guys need

626
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: you to be a little bit more direct and specific.

627
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: That was that was That wasn't That was weird. That

628
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: was a weird. But I didn't know what else to say.

629
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: I just because I didn't want to come across like

630
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: what you just said to me? Because he just asked,

631
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: he asked it, very very direct, what do you want

632
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: me to do for you? And you know, I think

633
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: when I look back at some pivotal moments in my career,

634
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: I'm very happy with where I am right now, but

635
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people would have asked me

636
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: many times like I just don't understand why you're not

637
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: a household name or or this or that. I don't

638
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: know if it's because I answered Stevie that way, but

639
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: you know, I think sometimes in the past it might

640
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: have been a mindset that it was coming across, like

641
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps I wasn't hungry enough, but I was, But

642
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: I just was doing it my way. And I still

643
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: feel confident in the way that I've done things. Um,

644
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: but I do look at right and left terms and

645
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: wonder if if I was a little bit more direct,

646
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: if that would have made a difference. Who knows. I mean,

647
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: the question I asked myself most is are you enjoying

648
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing right now? And very yourself? Okay, so

649
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: before we get to yeah, I'll be seeing you on stage. Yeah,

650
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: who started off as just a session player. That's just

651
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: David Foster had a cable car at his house. A

652
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: cable car. Yeah, you know what that is? Absolutely so

653
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: obviously in San Francisco we have cable cars that will

654
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: take you from down the hill all the way up

655
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: the hill, and we're kind of known for that in

656
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: sanc went at his house. He just sounds malible one. Yeah,

657
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: it'll take it would take you from the grounds to

658
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: the house. I was I wasn't. I wasn't there during

659
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: that area that I need to know how that I'm

660
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: sure he can still know what it's like. It's like

661
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: he's kind of like my north Star. He and Ricky

662
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: Minor are kind of like Ricky Ricky Minor are like

663
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: kind of like my Norse. So so I meet Stevie

664
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: through takes It. I meet Ricky Minor through Stevie. Wonder

665
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: because he was m dying the show. He would always

666
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: empty all Stevie's Um housepel of Toy Show. Then I

667
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: meet Quincy Jones through Rickey Minor because he's doing some event,

668
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: and then me and q just hit off. I know,

669
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm like going all over the place, but it's just

670
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: but that's like kind of like the branching out, like

671
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: that's how. And so then I met David Foster because

672
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: David and Stevie were um doing a record together that

673
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: probably won't see the life day, but it was such

674
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: a great record. It was like with the London Philmonic Orchestra,

675
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: like his his songs with the orchestra and um and

676
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: so I I sang um as I was I was.

677
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: Stevie brought me into to do that and so and

678
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: it's crazy he changed it to sixth eight. No, like

679
00:45:52,360 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: they just it. It was cold. It was amazing. I

680
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: mean I just actually just you know, she starts speaking

681
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: in language. She went to, we have a lot of

682
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: discussions in this whole R and B thing about you know,

683
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: the gifts, you know, who can who can't? Can they

684
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: really this that together? And then someone like yourself comes

685
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: on here without saying it, it just fully stamps like okay,

686
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: I'm different. Continue if I got to say it then

687
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: I already lost you know, you gotta you gotta know

688
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: it for yourself, you know, but damn, like it's it's

689
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: just incredible. So anyway that they were working on that question.

690
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: So that's how I met David, and I will never forget.

691
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: It was like one two in the morning and David

692
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: was on as well. You know how David gets when

693
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: he's about to leave somewhere, it's like you know, and

694
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: Steve was like, yeah, I wanted to sing something four

695
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, well, just just a verse in a chorus.

696
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: This is Davidster. Just a verse of the chorus. I'm

697
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: about to go. So I go to the piano, played

698
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: some song and he was like, okay, very nice. I

699
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: remember I called my Dad's like, Dad, I just met David,

700
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: but I don't think I made an impact. And he's like, no,

701
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: he made it back. I was like no, Dad, he

702
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: was just kind of like shrugged me off, like okay, nice.

703
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: That was cute. That was nice. Ah, that's what you

704
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: said about maybe seven six seven months later, that's when

705
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: he called me. And that was at the first event

706
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: I did with him, and we had been we've been

707
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: touring together for years now. You know, he was on

708
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: my PBS special, I was on his Quincy Jones presentially

709
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: what you know what this is how I know she's

710
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: been hanging around all these high levels because this is

711
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: what they do. It's just it's just it doesn't you know. Yea.

712
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: I will never forget meeting with David Foston and realizing

713
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: that he was using a Grammy as a paperweight. Well

714
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: he's got sixteen of them, so he was using it

715
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: as a paper don't fly away. Yeah, I'm serious. Put

716
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: this somewhere with some lights on it. Oh no, trust

717
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: he's got he's got He's got all sixteen, all of

718
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: them all stacked up. But this day randomly, I don't know,

719
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: but it's literally, yeah, that's David for you. I love him.

720
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: And you know, just recently he you know, we we

721
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: had this conversation and he's like, I just see, you know,

722
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: your star rising. And because now it started getting a

723
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: little you know how it is with promoters to start

724
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: getting a little awkward. Because I was literally performing at

725
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: the same venues that I was doing with him, David

726
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: Foster and friends. So it was just like it started

727
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: getting weird, you know, and so it just meant that

728
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: it was just I needed to graduate. It was time

729
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: to graduate, and so we just all love and he

730
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, he and Cat are doing their Dave and

731
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: Cat show, and that's I saw that. I saw the

732
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: problem for that when I was in Vega. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

733
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I have to I'm now headlining

734
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: my own show. So's it's it's just not working, you know,

735
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: not in a negative way. Yeah, yeah, right, Okay, Clark sisters,

736
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, let's get into it. Come on, yeah, I

737
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: want I want first phone call or Clark sisters, give me,

738
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: give me the whole thing. Well, first of all, I

739
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: didn't see myself as an actress, you know, at all.

740
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: So you hadn't done any acting before. Okay, I will

741
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: say this. I was I was. Um. I had a

742
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 1: small role in this actually very big movie was called

743
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: All the Way, and um it started Anthony Mackie and

744
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: he was he was Martin Luther King and Lyndon B.

745
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: Johnson was Brian Cranston. Actually eight Emmy nominations and all that.

746
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: But I just had like a little small role where

747
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: I was like singing live. I was singing live though,

748
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: so I was singing, so I kind of looked back

749
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: at that moment like that was kind of like foreshadow

750
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 1: and kind of preparing me for it because like, you

751
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: know how it is, you absolutely know, I see, you

752
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: know how it is with all these different takes and stuff,

753
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: so you know, over and over all these different angles.

754
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: So I was singing live, so I had to sing

755
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: live every single time, you know. So that was that

756
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: was cool. So that was like a small little role.

757
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: But again I didn't see myself as like, you know,

758
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: being really part of an ensemble cast. And so Christine

759
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: Swanson who was the director UM, she and I were

760
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: working on a completely different project just musically, and I

761
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: remember she came and she told me it's like I

762
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: just got signed on to direct UM the Clerk Sisters,

763
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: First Ladies of Gospel and UM at that time, well

764
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: it was called You Brought the Sunshine, and it wasn't

765
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: it was that's what it was called. And she was like,

766
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, I can't make you any promises, but I

767
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: think you should just put your name in the hat

768
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: for it, like you know, try to you know, put

769
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: a self tape and and submit it. So I was like,

770
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: really you think, So I feel like that's that's like

771
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: a that's a big role. That's a you know, I

772
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: don't know, you started thinking of all the other people

773
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: that could play it instead, who looked more like her,

774
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: you know, just all of that, and um, she said,

775
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: just just do it, just do it. So I did it,

776
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: and they it wasn't a no, but it wasn't a

777
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: yes either, you know. So I keep working. I keep working,

778
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: I keep working, and I work with um Josie Josie Harris.

779
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: She's a great acting coach. And I remember I was

780
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: actually on on tour with Dave Kaz at the time,

781
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: and by the on a side note, twenty seven shows

782
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: in thirty days. Yeah, seven shows in thirty days cruise. Yeah,

783
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: but but but not it wasn't it was insane. And

784
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: so I remember one of the days I was just

785
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: so tryed. We were on our way to San Antonio

786
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 1: and that was going to be like one of the

787
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: days off, and Christine is like, I think you should

788
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: come to Detroit and just meet Karen, meet Kiara, you know,

789
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: just fill it out, you know, and I was just

790
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: like damn, like I'm so. I was just like when

791
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: you just have nothing, like just just fubes. So I

792
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: make my little ticket, used little my little miles, pay

793
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: for my way to get there, get my little hotel,

794
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: and I meet with him. I go to their church

795
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: and I meet here and we go to the piano

796
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: and I don't even know how anything literally came out,

797
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: but we start. I start playing you Brought the Sunshine

798
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: or no Miracle? I'm looking for miracle and we do

799
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: this duet and so Christine sends it to the producers

800
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: and they're like that that's care, that that's Karen, and

801
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: that's Derenda. So that's what says. So I tell people,

802
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: just on a side note, like you want everybody to

803
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: invest in you, you want people to take chances on you,

804
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: you have to bet on yourself first before anybody else,

805
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: will you know? Yeah, yeah, because I didn't have the

806
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: role then at all. You know, it wasn't a no,

807
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: but they weren't. I was, you know, I was really green.

808
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: So that's when really the work began. And I worked

809
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: my ass off, like you know, working with Josie, you know,

810
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: a couple of times a week for months, and by

811
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: the time they yelled action, it was more ready in

812
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: that moment that I've ever been for anything in my life.

813
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the acting helped you as far

814
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: as being a performer as well, just your live performance

815
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: and just preparation, because obviously acting is a whole another

816
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: level of study. It's a different muscle. But Tank, I'm

817
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: sure you can back me up on it. It comes

818
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: from the same place because it's just storytelling and that's

819
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: what really helps happening into his acting. First of all,

820
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm on TV one here, I'm not going to look

821
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: at this guy. They they just called me and give

822
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: me Roy. You know what I'm saying, I Tank, those

823
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: those movies that they give you the funny haircuts in

824
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: so down here, down there at the eyebrow, So what

825
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I enjoy? Crap? Aren't you having a good time here?

826
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: I already knew what time it was with you guys,

827
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: so so yeah. I mean it literally is she said

828
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: when you sing, she said, you tell a story. And

829
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's like for me, this is another little

830
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: site note Like I don't want somebody to say, damn girl,

831
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: you you you really can sing. I want them to

832
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: say I felt something. You made me sad, you made

833
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: me hopeful, You made huge difference, And there's there's a

834
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference between being impressive and impactful. A

835
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: lot of people want to be impressive. You know, I

836
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: can do this run, I can sing this note, I

837
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: can do that, but it's not impactful. You're you're not

838
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: tapped into the story. There's no truth there. And so

839
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: that's one thing that I've always felt is what has

840
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: made me different is that people will always feel and

841
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: hear the truth in whatever genre I'm singing. And so

842
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: once I was able to just transfer that to acting,

843
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: it was like, all you're doing is just telling the

844
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: truth whatever is truthful to you in that moment. So

845
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: she said the first thing, she says, this story isn't

846
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: about Dorenda. This is a story about Chilia. You know,

847
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: you have to find, you have to find, you have

848
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: to find you in Dorinda. And so you know, it

849
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 1: was actually very easy to find myself because we have

850
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 1: very similar life experiences, blended family, you know, being raised

851
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: in the church, um, you know, just all of those dynamics,

852
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: and so it was very easy for me to be

853
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: truthful in that that moment. But I think, you know,

854
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: the wind was so many people that know her will.

855
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: They were like, I literally felt like I was looking

856
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: at Dorenda and I know her will and they're like,

857
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: but you literally became Dorenda did amazing, thank you, thank

858
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: you we got and then vocally that's a whole other thing.

859
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: It's like one thing to have her essence, but then

860
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: her voice is so specific. She's she you know, she

861
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: there's clarity, but then there's rasp. You know, she almost

862
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: sings like a horn player. And their style of run

863
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: it's jazzy, but then it's but it's it's very unique.

864
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: It's very unique. Her choices are are very very specific. Yeah. Well,

865
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: here in the R Money podcast, we want to we

866
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: want to get into your R and B mind. Want

867
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: to ask questions. Okay, all right, um, top five R

868
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: and B artists we need, we need. Don't be political.

869
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: I know there's everybody doing they're offering. Some people just

870
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: have a gift that strikes you different than that's true.

871
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: And see, and I think that all the people that

872
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: I really love you wouldn't necessarily say can you be

873
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: more specific? I mean I think R and B is

874
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: best I know, but like rmby now or like R

875
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: and B in THEE forever, what connects with you? Like

876
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: it's Stevie R and By, you know, And I'm just

877
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: saying He's everything, the Godfather. But do you feel like

878
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: it starts in R and B? You feel like it

879
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: starts Okay, absolutely, Okay, you feel Stevie, but you you

880
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: feel country artists, you feel you know, but there's a

881
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: different place. It is a different place. R and B

882
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: is a different Do you do you feel like Stevie

883
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: sings his gospel songs differently? Let me ask you this

884
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: as a whole other question really quick. Do you feel

885
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: like you sing gospel songs differently than you sing R

886
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: and B songs? Like is there a there a conviction

887
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: that you have when you sing gospel that you know? Well?

888
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean every I think every song is different based

889
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: on the message, right, So I think the texture um,

890
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: the texture and tone it definitely has to match the moment.

891
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So I'm definitely not gonna

892
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: sing um when we the same as I sing Jesus

893
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: is the answer, right? You know what I'm saying. There

894
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: is there is a difference they're in delivery, yeah, you

895
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And even where your mind is

896
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: when you're right right, when you're in that place. So

897
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: U But then like Whitney, who she would like she

898
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: would put oh, like in a dance something. You know

899
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, just anywhere, so just drop that off.

900
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: It's very disrespectful, very rude. It's really really perfect, really perfect,

901
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: really rude. But whatever she disrespected then punched by a

902
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: Vocal Gifts podcast punch. I just wanted to just show

903
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: the illustration. But I you know, I say say, because

904
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: I question five, it has to be Stevie and to

905
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: me it also has to be a Retha side note.

906
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to be making my Royal Albert debut in

907
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: London UM next month, doing a tribute to read the

908
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: Franklin with a full orchestra. And we wanted you here

909
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: because because this is this is you are necessary, right

910
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 1: and and and and the young girls growing up there

911
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: has to be a bar. There has to be a

912
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: level because what we grew up on, what we all

913
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 1: grew up on, there were bars, and those bars were mainstream,

914
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: yes they were. And now those bars for us or

915
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: for the coming up generation aren't so mainstream. They have

916
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: to look that's true for that for those inspirations. And

917
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: so you're necessary because you're such a gift and such

918
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: an inspiration that needs major platform display, major you just

919
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: you deserve it, so that these young ladies coming up

920
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: who want to be anything. I'm not even gonna limit

921
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: it to singing or right or who want to be anything,

922
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: can see that in you, because you know, keep going

923
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Franklin Orchestra next month, next month. It's been sold out

924
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: for months now. I already don't don't don't play me

925
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: on this and be like okay, she she like, how

926
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: you guys do the name drop? They told me to

927
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: say everything. Okay, don't, don't, don't even do. They're like,

928
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: I do you want to tell him everything? Yeah? Okay,

929
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: I don't even told you everything. Read the Franklin. Okay,

930
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: this is R and B, R and B of all

931
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: time for you for me from me. Mm hmm. I know.

932
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: I want to say Marvin Gay because there's so much

933
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: deep storytelling the day. Look look at him trying to

934
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: try to get a part. I'll try to get the part.

935
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: I could see that, okay, Marvin God, this is so

936
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: hard because like all these names are like flashing before

937
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: my eyes. You know, Anita Baker, I remember, I remember

938
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: the first time I heard her record because I growing

939
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: up I could only listen to gospel music, so I

940
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: remember I was with my aunt in Lane this came on.

941
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this? Like, what is this? Yes?

942
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: And how old were you at this point when the

943
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: first time you heard like secular music in a sense, Well,

944
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: what's the craziest? I would we would listen to Stevie though.

945
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: It was almost like Stevie and Whitney, like if they

946
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: were on TV, like we would watch that. But it

947
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 1: just wasn't like I don't, I didn't. I had to

948
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: play catch up. I had to play catch up later

949
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: on um. So yeah, four. Therefore, I would give a deal.

950
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: Imagine that people that can't sing and then Whitney, why

951
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: that's a great? Really, that's not just good, that's a

952
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: great because there's everyone you know this in my opinion,

953
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: they don't have any holes in their game. Everybody that

954
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: you name is legit. They can perform live, Yes, have

955
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: great songs, Like the artistry was amazing, Like that's special. Yeah,

956
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: that's special. There's were quick though, because I want you

957
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: to get your five first. I wanted to point out

958
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: because you spoke about going over to London selling out shows,

959
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, starting off with David Foster and then being

960
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: able to do the same venues that he does. I

961
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: want to point out that that is of pure gift

962
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: and hard work more so than any kind of backing

963
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: or any kind of I caught some random song that

964
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: you know, blew up on TikTok are just caught a

965
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: wave on a radio like Because the other thing that

966
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:20,919
Speaker 1: happens in our business is people think that there's only

967
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: one way to be successful or to have a career

968
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 1: in music, and you are the prime example that you

969
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 1: can be very successful going the route that you want

970
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: to go and taking the steps that you needed to

971
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: take for your career and how you want to see

972
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: your career. Because on the flip side of that, there

973
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: are artists who have had massive songs one too, maybe

974
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: a couple of few records that can't fill out a

975
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: hunted seater, two seaters, they can't go to London, they're

976
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: not going to be before warming in these special places,

977
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: and that just there needs to be a light on

978
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: that as well, because I think a lot of artists

979
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: get discouraged that if they don't have this type of

980
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: record that takes them somewhere, they'll never have a career.

981
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: And that's not the case at all. And you're to me,

982
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: your prime example of that because you're not chasing a record,

983
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: you're out here having a career, right, Thank you for

984
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: saying that. Yeah, very different and and just and it

985
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: should be applauded and it should and like Tank said,

986
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: there needs to be platforms that shine the light on that. Yeah,

987
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: hopefully we're hopefully we're one of them. Absolutely not. I

988
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: think you absolutely are. And you know, thank you for

989
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: saying that, because yeah, it's like the Frank's Not song,

990
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: just part of my head I did in my way,

991
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, And I tell people all the time, like,

992
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: figure out what success looks like and feels more more

993
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: importantly feels like to you because as you said, we

994
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: can look at a lot of people's careers that it

995
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: looks very successful. Um. And it might even be successful

996
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: if you're looking at numbers. Um. But but how does

997
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: it feel? You know? I I still feel like that

998
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: two year old when I first you know, watching Mr Rogers,

999
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: I want to totally age myself. But watching Mr Rogers,

1000
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, who then is playing the piano? Who was

1001
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: Mr Rogers? Yes, I was out it was Mr Rogers movie.

1002
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: It was actually Mr Rogers. I heard somebody fact checked

1003
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: me on that. But I'm pretty sure, but I still

1004
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: that same kind of childlike love of for just what

1005
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: I do. I still feel that way, and I'm grateful

1006
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: for that that after all these years. Yes, do I

1007
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: experience moments of frustration and disappointment. Absolutely, you know, even

1008
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: if I wasn't doing music, we I would feel that

1009
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: at some point. Um. But I love what I do

1010
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: and I've been able to find out what my why is,

1011
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: and it really is to touch people's hearts through music.

1012
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: And so when I get somebody DM me and say

1013
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: you know your song, you are enough. I listened to

1014
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: that every morning before I go to work. I play

1015
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: it for my kids. Some people even said I wanted

1016
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: to end my life, but I had that own repeat

1017
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: and literally I decided not to. That's the way, That's

1018
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: that's my Grammy, that's that's you know, that's my awards.

1019
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: You know. Do I want those things one day, Absolutely,

1020
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: But that's not the pour of the why. And so

1021
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: I think for that reason, I've been able to stay

1022
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: true to what I do and and not be wavered

1023
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: by any trend because I really love what I'm doing

1024
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: right now. I've been able to find like just the

1025
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: core of where that joy comes from. And that's something

1026
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: that honestly that that is the highest level of success

1027
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: to me, UM is to be able to do that,

1028
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: and particularly words I'm sick of you, I'm sick of you, okay,

1029
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: premaity sick of me O top five R and B

1030
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: songs or R and B albums you can mix it

1031
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: okay off the top. I already know, like I Want

1032
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: you that album Marvin Gaye, I Want You like to me,

1033
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: there's literally no skin it's it's such a beautiful body

1034
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: of work. Um. In that same in that same vein,

1035
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: I would have to say Maxwell, the first one Urban

1036
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: Hank sweet to me, there's something so just connected about it. Um.

1037
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: And then of course let's go back to Stevie and I.

1038
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: It's either between Talking Book. Let's see there's okay, there's

1039
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 1: this one album right before Talking Book. It he wasn't

1040
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: it was like you could you started hearing him really

1041
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: become Stevie. It wasn't that motown sound. And it's an

1042
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: album called where I'm Coming From And that's to me

1043
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: when he really started like going deep. And that's when

1044
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: Talking Book was right after that. So I always like

1045
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: that was like the pre Talking Book. UM, so I'm gonna,

1046
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out on a limb and

1047
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: put that one because I feel like it was an

1048
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: important album for his development. So where I'm coming from,

1049
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's top. I'm just trying to be

1050
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: exotic with choices. Um. Okay, let's get some girls in there.

1051
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: Let's see what's like that, like no skips. I don't

1052
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: know why this one just came to me. Jill Scott

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01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: like that first album was just like it was just

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: it was so cohesive, you know, and I remember like

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01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: where I was, Like I always like look at records, like,

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: you know, do you remember where you were like in

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01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: during that time? Like I can see it. I can

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: so that, I would say, Jill, which I'm sure these

1059
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: are like so not what people would expect me to choose. Um,

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 1: and then let's get some que in there. But that

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01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: was actually the jazz time. So no, it's okay, let's

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01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: see I'm talking about like his earlier earlier stuff like

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01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Quintessential with that's jazz. Um, let's see did you join? Yeah?

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01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: But I don't know if if that's like my favor

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01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 1: but I do love that record that has set timber

1066
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: on that. That's Moodies moved for love Brian and um, yeah, God,

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: I hate this because it really creates anxiety. I don't

1068
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: want to like miss somebody. Okay, who are my top five?

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01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, Whitney, Yeah, Anita Baker, Marvin Gay, Stevie and

1070
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: read the Franklin Franklin mhm. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm

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01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: just gonna say this one because I just feel like

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01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: I should say and I do remember where I was.

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01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: Carl Thomas, Wow, I love Summarine. I mean that was

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: a very deep I wish all of those I meant

1075
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: your body. I mean, I feel like that's a very

1076
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: shout out to Carl talk. I wanted to do it

1077
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: for that reason too, you know what I mean? That

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: is my guy. That is my guy. Yeah, I feel

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01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: like I should have. I feel like I wanted to

1080
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: like shout that out. Okay, here we're going on R

1081
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: and B Voltron. You're taking a vocal m Um, how

1082
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: are we breaking down jay a vocal vocal performance style? Yeah?

1083
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 1: If you're if you're putting together the perfect R and

1084
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,720
Speaker 1: B artists, who do you take the vocal from? Who

1085
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: do you take the style from? Who do you take

1086
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 1: the performance from and put it all together and a

1087
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: performance and damn, dance moves can be different, right because

1088
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: Rick James a great performer to Michael Jackson, dance different,

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so it's like that's

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01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: a difference in performance too. You know, are how Mary

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: J Blige she get up there? Yeah? Yeah, but then

1092
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: the cranky Baverly ain't doing no dance moves but he performing,

1093
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:35,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, these are okay. So the vocals I would

1094
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: take from and this is all R and B. I'm

1095
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:46,680
Speaker 1: just gonna I'm just gonna say, Stevie, because only you

1096
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: guys are like you, We don't need your explanations. But

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01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's the impact because when I would tour

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01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: with him, I actually didn't mention this, but I toured

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 1: with him for a couple of years. We did. When

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: he did the songs in the Key of Life tour,

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01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: he lost one of his uh singers. They had, you know,

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: some health issues. So I stepped in and he was like,

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01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: I know, this is not what you do. I was

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01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: actually working on the album. He was like, but can

1105
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: you just come with me, just help me finish this tour.

1106
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: And so just watching him every night. I mean the

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01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: show would start with like loves and Need and then

1108
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: he would literally do the whole album and track order

1109
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: everything all the way too. Yeah, another star, So hearing

1110
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: that every night, all of the nuances vocally that he

1111
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,879
Speaker 1: would have to do Summer solved all those key changes

1112
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: and she's gone. You remember, it keeps going up, and

1113
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: so I just feel like the vocal has to start

1114
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 1: fair because it's it's just so pure and it's so

1115
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's such a universe her soul sound. I

1116
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 1: haven't heard anybody who really can replicate that. Nobody's else.

1117
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 1: It's the light, it's but it's not even it's not

1118
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: because if you look, he doesn't really do a lot

1119
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: of runs all the time, like he can't. It's not.

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01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: He's done that more in later years. It's not run,

1121
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: it's it's the technique and how he attacks skip a note,

1122
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: like just really real. It's subtle. Everything is real, subtle,

1123
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: but it's still very difficult if you don't know placement

1124
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: and know how to know where to put those little skips. Technician,

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01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 1: it's not easy. But he but he doesn't effortlessly. It

1126
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: doesn't because he's not thinking. He's just he's just being

1127
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: step Wonder is a style. He's a vocal Yes, yes,

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: it's his absolutely, which is where you get stokely, where

1129
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: you get then I come along and follow Brian and

1130
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: all them that that. Yes, yeah, you don't have to

1131
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: explain Steve get I know I don't have, but I

1132
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: just I just wanted to because to me, when you

1133
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: were look in that audience and you would literally see

1134
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: just the world, you know what I mean, like that

1135
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't belong to any race. You know,

1136
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: everybody feels like he's there. Yes, yes, those barriers him

1137
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,439
Speaker 1: putting a lines literally saying directly, like speaking directly to

1138
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: the issues at hand. I mean I was at a

1139
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: show where he was like, yes, yes, all lives matter, yes,

1140
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: but right now black folks lives are in danger. So

1141
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: that's why we have to say black lives matter. And

1142
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: all y'all in here are black, so it should matter

1143
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: to you. And nobody said nothing because Stevie said it.

1144
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, all y'all got a little black in you,

1145
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 1: so it should matter to you. So that that's who

1146
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: he is, and that's to me, his voice has attracted

1147
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: literally every person from every walk of life. So That's

1148
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: why I would start with the core voice being him

1149
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: vocal steviemance performance meaning like just how hard they go pormance. Yeah,

1150
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: would you take and put in in your R and

1151
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: B artists, whether it be it doesn't matter whether they

1152
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: dance or don't dance, doesn't matter. You pick the performance. Stop. Okay,

1153
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound really weird, but there is something

1154
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: so magnetic and sensual and connected about Shot. The way

1155
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: that she particulates or the way she performs exists, the

1156
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 1: way but where she performed, it's like it's it's something.

1157
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:23,560
Speaker 1: It's just so it's mesmerizing. Can you imagine, Like I

1158
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: know it's aware commendations. Stevie was like moving or like

1159
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: but like that's bomb. I'm roll is just with whose style?

1160
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: Who style? Style? Like what they look like? They're sweat

1161
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: like the energy, So maybe I should have what they

1162
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 1: wear like Yeah, I would say Leah only because it's

1163
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: complimentary to like the thing, you know what I mean?

1164
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: Very so yeah, yeah, great style. I mean so many

1165
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: girls who followed that look and absolutely yeah wow yeah

1166
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: she's hot right like that artist that R and B

1167
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: artist has that the level of Stevie with like the

1168
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 1: sensuality and connectedness of shade got the swag like Leah,

1169
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: I sign it. Sure, that's so, that's so not probably

1170
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: what I would have thought going into it, but that's

1171
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: just what I felt right now. Yeah, what about I

1172
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: just want to know really quickly. I'm sure you guys

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01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 1: have thought about it, like, what would you doing? You're

1174
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: not doing it? Curious, Okay, fair enough, fair enough. We

1175
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: have a part of the show. It is, we could

1176
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: sit it to be a pretty important part of the show. Um,

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: it's card. I ain't saying on names. Will you give

1178
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: us a story? Funnier fucked up? Are both? And the

1179
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: only rule is you can't say the names of the

1180
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: people that are in the story. Now, you can give

1181
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: hints of who they may be. I mean, because you know,

1182
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: you know everyone this is social media. But and it's

1183
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: like I said, it's either funnier up or both. And

1184
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: the only rule is you can't say their names. Okay,

1185
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 1: you're a musician, you can start off one time a bank.

1186
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: It's been a few band camps. I don't know if

1187
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: it's a story, like it's not like a long drawn

1188
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 1: out big story. But I was at Picular Studio and uh,

1189
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 1: this particular, another artist walked in. I'm there, I'm just

1190
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 1: chilling and and so this artist walks in and like

1191
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: the whole like energy like shifts right. So I just

1192
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: immediately like walk out. It's clear that, you know, my

1193
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: presence is offending there. So I was told to me

1194
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: later on that they were like, um, you know, who's

1195
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: the I had like a high butt. Who's the girl

1196
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: with the bun in her head? They're like, oh, no,

1197
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: she's she's like she's an artist. She's not like just

1198
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: some studio ret just chilling around like ittual sing and

1199
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: so they heard. So I was actually walking in right

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01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: as that conversation was being had, and um, so they

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01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:05,560
Speaker 1: tried to complay at all. I just like, oh, I

1202
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: heard you're a great singer. I heard you what you

1203
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: could sing? You know, so you know, sing something for me.

1204
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: Expect to me to be like probably like I what's

1205
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Who's wrong with you? So? So no,

1206
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 1: so I got to it. I gave that bit everything,

1207
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: the whole. It just it just changed change. It was

1208
01:23:55,240 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then it was like all is love.

1209
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: It was love, respect, you know, and endless. And I

1210
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:08,439
Speaker 1: get it. It's competitive, it's competitive and energy is energy

1211
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: if you don't know, and you like your space a

1212
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: certain way, just like who is this who is this girl?

1213
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: To be here right here? I'm saying I need to

1214
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: know we are not saying. Um. First of all, you

1215
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: are absolutely amazing, um, from head to toe, spirit, everything

1216
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 1: about you. Man. I just you know, we've we've always

1217
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: been in awe of you, and we will continue to

1218
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: be and prayerfully our platform will give others an opportunity

1219
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: to be in that same awe. Thank you, that is

1220
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: the goal. UM. We give you nothing but flowers. Thank

1221
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: you for um you you had a beverage um, um

1222
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: those other things having a beverage with us, um, and

1223
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: thank you actually really like it too. Just giving us

1224
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: a moment um of your time, telling us your story, um,

1225
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 1: and sharing yourself with the world. You're awesome you and

1226
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: I just have to say, just for what you guys

1227
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: are doing, just for the culture, just for just the

1228
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: integrity of music, specifically R and B music, thank you.

1229
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for what you're doing, and for just being

1230
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: such a light in my life. You know, you guys

1231
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 1: don't realize just how nurturing you were to me in

1232
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: those years, you know, those earlier years and and even now,

1233
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: just just your words of encouragement means something so so

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01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: deep to me. So thank you for just being who

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01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: you guys are. And I I want to see this

1236
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: go just as high as it can go, because you

1237
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: guys got something really special and I love your chemistry.

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01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 1: You know, I love being here. And I saw it

1239
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: when I was just looking at clips just as well.

1240
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I getting myself into? I

1241
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is gonna be a good time.

1242
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: But I've already loved you guys individually went together. You

1243
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 1: guys have something really You are you are you are,

1244
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: So thank you for giving me this moment just to

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01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: just share space with you, ladies and gentlemen. Valentine R

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