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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who covered the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slammed the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc. You know, gentlemen, sometimes the direction of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground is out of all our hands. Paul Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Darren Urban Calota guard. Sometimes the consultants take over. Not

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Speaker 1: sure if you guys are aware, but Cardinals Underground now

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Speaker 1: does have the consulting agency of a well Calvisi Consulting,

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Speaker 1: because that's the only operation that we'll hire Calvisi Consulting,

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Speaker 1: and they're actually working pro bono to try and proof

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Speaker 1: that they do have a client and then maybe they

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Speaker 1: can get real pain clients. So that being the case,

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Speaker 1: the first piece of advice, unfortunately from the suits would

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Speaker 1: be that we need to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: work Tim Tebow obviously into Cardinals Underground, so not to

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Speaker 1: be too hard hitting right off the top and smack

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Speaker 1: you upside the head. But I want to know right here,

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Speaker 1: right now, Darren urban Calota guard, if you had to

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Speaker 1: pick one tight end for your roster twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: would it be Tim Tebow or Bernhard Psychovits. And I'll

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Speaker 1: buy us some time by saying, don't call him Bernard, No, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, it's Bernhard isn't longer Bernhard Psychovits from Austria,

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Speaker 1: the International Pathway Program. Darred Ribbin, what says you? That's

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Speaker 1: a fantastic question, Paul. First of all, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if we technically have to talk about Tim Tebow.

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Speaker 1: As long as we put him in the title of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, it'll get lots of lots of Google hits,

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Speaker 1: awesome thinking, you know what, you're on retainer Darren By.

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Speaker 1: Kelby's the consulting. We like that thinking. I'm a big

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy the little interaction that we have had

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Speaker 1: with Bernhard's Psychovitz, and I am hopeful that he has

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Speaker 1: some success now, whether he's actually on the active roster,

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Speaker 1: he's just around all years the bonus practice squad player

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Speaker 1: will see. Clearly the Cardinals can use tight ends. But

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Speaker 1: this kid when he starts talking about liking football because

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Speaker 1: I've been working on this for two years to try

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Speaker 1: it now. I don't know if he can play football

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Speaker 1: make this clear. Paul, we were hoping never to have

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Speaker 1: I believe it was two fifteen, could have been fourteen.

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Speaker 1: And it was no mistake that was his final action

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Speaker 1: google that up. But here's the sub question. Who sells

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was a marketing and merchandising Maven

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Speaker 1: and Bernhard's Psycho bits might be the same for the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: doubt about what number. Speaking of Jerseys, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 1: Kyle on the spot, since you've been all up on

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Speaker 1: all these numbers and you're a numbers guy, albeit not

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Speaker 1: and psycho should be there spokesman. I think that's gonna

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Speaker 1: get you some jobs. If you have a psycho as

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Speaker 1: playing with those international games? Can we connect the dots

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Speaker 1: are have less experienced, guys with one or two years

426
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Speaker 1: in the league, all that kind of stuff, so that

427
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Speaker 1: you know, I would be surprised. Now, I don't know

428
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Speaker 1: if it's mandatory. In fact, I know it's not mandatory

429
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Speaker 1: if you're not a rookie, but I could see them asking,

430
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: like Isaiah Simmons to come anybody from last year's rookie

431
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Speaker 1: class so that you would get a chance to get

432
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Speaker 1: some extra time on the field. Now, I'll be curious

433
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Speaker 1: to know if they're out there. I don't know if

434
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Speaker 1: they will or not. And obviously, as we know, the

435
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Speaker 1: Players Association is making a big push for players not

436
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: to come to a lot of the offseason stuff, so

437
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: I don't know how much that might affect things as well.

438
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Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to dismiss a rookie any camp

439
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: from the outside looking in, But Isaiah simm Is missing

440
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: rookie mini caamp was part of what Advanced Joseph estimated

441
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: to be over a thousand snaps that he missed of

442
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: reps between the time he was drafted and the time

443
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Speaker 1: he made his debut in Week one against the forty

444
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Speaker 1: nine ers in Santa Clara. So you know, if you're

445
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Speaker 1: going to believe that, hey, guess what. The Niners get

446
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: off to that quick seven nothing lead and they run

447
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 1: the wheel route to the running back and then boom,

448
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: there goes Raheem Mostert and he's gone. And guess who's

449
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: covering him, or at least thought he was supposed to

450
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: cover him, but he's a step late. And guess what.

451
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: All that can be traced to an offseason where these

452
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: rookies need to react, not think, but react. And so

453
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Speaker 1: if you're going to bring a guy in, for example,

454
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Speaker 1: a Zaman Collins, you can talk about his Zamon Collins

455
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: competing with Jordan Hicks all you want, But if he

456
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: doesn't know the playbook and Vance Joseph doesn't trust Damon Collins, sorry,

457
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: he's not going to be in the game. So to me,

458
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Speaker 1: these rookie mini caamps are essential. Yeah, I don't care

459
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Speaker 1: if you're a first rounder or an undrafted guy. You

460
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: got to know what you're doing once you're out there

461
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: on the field in an NFL game, And if you're

462
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: a half a step slow, then it's too late and

463
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Speaker 1: that's to your own demise. So I'm not just missing

464
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Speaker 1: these rookie mini camps, even though I guess they'll be

465
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Speaker 1: scaled back. That's still gonna be imperative, I think to

466
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Speaker 1: the future of so many of these guys. Yeah, I

467
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Speaker 1: think that's a good point. You look at the Cardinals

468
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Speaker 1: first three draft picks, Zavian Collins, Rondel Moore, Marco Wilson,

469
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Speaker 1: all those guys. If they pick up things quickly, you

470
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Speaker 1: could see them having a pretty prominent role early in

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Speaker 1: their rookie season. And if they don't, as you said,

472
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Speaker 1: Jordan Hicks is there at inside linebacker. You've got three

473
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Speaker 1: veteran receivers that will play a lot. And if Rondel

474
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Speaker 1: Moore isn't ready, you just play Christian Kirk and AJ

475
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Speaker 1: Green full time and you don't let Rondelmore see the

476
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Speaker 1: field that much. And Marco Wilson same thing. If he's

477
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Speaker 1: not going to compete with Robert Alford for that starting job,

478
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Speaker 1: then he's not gonna play. So I think the rookie

479
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Speaker 1: camp is essential for these guys, and not just the

480
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Speaker 1: rookie camp, but any type of things they can do

481
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: mental league in meetings, we've seen over and over how

482
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Speaker 1: much rookies are swimming with the terminology those first couple

483
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Speaker 1: of months, and this is a big deal for them

484
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Speaker 1: to try to soak up as much as they can

485
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Speaker 1: before training camp and try to get into the playbook

486
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Speaker 1: and realize what they need to do. And I think

487
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Speaker 1: your Isaiah Simmons play is a great example where he's

488
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 1: not as fast as Raheem Mostert, but Isaiah Simmons is

489
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: such an athletic freak that if he wasn't thinking about

490
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Speaker 1: what to do on that play, maybe he covers it

491
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Speaker 1: better and maybe it's a ten yard gain instead of

492
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Speaker 1: eighty or whatever it was. So yeah, I agree. I

493
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Speaker 1: think these rookies they need to figure it out quickly

494
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Speaker 1: in order to have a chance at playing early. And

495
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: this rookie camp in this offseason's huge for them. What

496
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Speaker 1: a coach is haying, more than anything else, the unknown

497
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Speaker 1: when they go into a game and they're not exactly

498
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Speaker 1: sure is this guy ready? Does he truly know the playbook?

499
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Speaker 1: And you know, for everything the preseason isn't you can

500
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: at least test their knowledge of the playbook for the

501
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: most part. Sure, you're running been all the defenses, but

502
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: if he's messing that up, then that's an obvious sign

503
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Speaker 1: he's not ready for the regular season. So to me

504
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: it is vital and I'm not exactly sure. To Darren's

505
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Speaker 1: point where we're heading here with the rest of the offseason,

506
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Speaker 1: I guess you're guaranteed a rookie mini caamp and a

507
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Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp on the field this year, Darren, And

508
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Speaker 1: the rest is a little bit fluid right now between

509
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Speaker 1: the league in the NFL PA, I will say that,

510
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, I go back the first team I ever

511
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: really got into and football was a team that won

512
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, the eighty one Niners growing up, and

513
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Speaker 1: that eighty one Niners team, if you go back, Ronnie

514
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Lott was a rookie and two other starters in the

515
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: defensive backfield were rookies, Eric Wright Carlton Williamson was the

516
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Speaker 1: strong safety, and they are all out of the draft,

517
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Speaker 1: and by the end of the preseason, Bill Walsh said,

518
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Speaker 1: you know what, there are best three out of the

519
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: four dbs, and they had a veteran free safety sort

520
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: of coordinated things and by December they were bawling. And

521
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: obviously the rest is history. And Bill Walsh's third year

522
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: took a two win Niners team and they won the

523
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl under Joe Montana's second year of starting. And

524
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Speaker 1: so you know, to your point, Coyle, yeah, I think

525
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Speaker 1: of Marco Wilson and maybe Gowan Island himself. He's so

526
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Speaker 1: supremely confident in his own abilities. I could see these

527
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Speaker 1: guys have an impact, if not in September, definitely as

528
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Speaker 1: we get into the last two months of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's funny though, Number One, Bill Walsh great draft or

530
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: those are some great names that he happened to get

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Speaker 1: in one draft. And the other thing, too, is that's

532
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: a whole different ball game in nineteen eighty one, the

533
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Speaker 1: passing games that they were facing or not what these

534
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Speaker 1: defensive backs will be facing. And I think that's a

535
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Speaker 1: big part of it too. You mean, Ken Anderson, the

536
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals weren't dialing it up like Aaron Rodgers or

537
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Is that what you're saying, or a Sean mcvah.

538
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: That offense that with Chris Collinsworth catching passes is and

539
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Ken Anderson throwing the ball. I mean Pete Johnson running it.

540
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like the Bengals had a bad offense.

541
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Speaker 1: But you're also talking about the best offense in the FC.

542
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Speaker 1: And what would have really been interesting is if the

543
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Speaker 1: Chargers hadn't had to go into the forty billion degree

544
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: winshiw of Cincinnati and an AFC championship, and it would

545
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Speaker 1: have been the Chargers, and that if you want to

546
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: talk about a team that was ahead of its time,

547
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: former Cardinals coach Don Corriell, making Dan Fouts and John

548
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: Jefferson and Charlie Joyner and Kelln Winslow, that would have

549
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: been an interesting test for that forty nine Ers defensive backfield. Yeah,

550
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: you're right that that would have been a heck of

551
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, no doubt about that. And you know what,

552
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a great point. But in terms of twenty twenty one,

553
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what the analytics say, Kyle in terms

554
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: of personnel groups on defense, but how often her team's

555
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: going with five dbs six dbs in today's game, So

556
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: whereas the Niners, I'm guessing playing ninety percent of their snaps.

557
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Speaker 1: So the four defense back secondary now your base defense, heck,

558
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: half the time has to be five dbs nickel and dime.

559
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: So that being said, there's more room for rookies to

560
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: get into the mix, and I'm guessing the Cardinals are

561
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Speaker 1: going to be one of those teams, especially considering the

562
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: offenses they have to face this year in the Division.

563
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: If nothing else, Yeah, I think it's up to seventy

564
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: five or eighty percent of the time you're playing five

565
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Speaker 1: defensive backs. And that's kind of into the calculus of

566
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Speaker 1: what we're already talking about though, Like when I think

567
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: of a starting lineup, I'm thinking Nickel like Byron Murphy

568
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: to me, is a starting cornerback for the Cardinals, and

569
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: then you've obviously got Malcolm Butler. So the question, as

570
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: we've been talking about ad nauseum this offseason, is the

571
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: number two cornerback on the outside and that, Yeah, I mean,

572
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: I think Robert Alford is certainly the leader in the clubhouse,

573
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Speaker 1: and if he falters, I still feel like the most

574
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: logical thing, or the most likely thing, would be a

575
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Speaker 1: free agent veteran to come in and help compete for that,

576
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: because I don't think you want to put Marco Wilson

577
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Speaker 1: and take Owen in that type of situation being day

578
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: three picks. If you took somebody at sixteen overall, I

579
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: think the expectation would have been higher and We've heard

580
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: that was David Collins, but I think Marco Wilson and

581
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: take Owen are gonna have to show immediately that they

582
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: can pick things up quickly. And we've seen it with

583
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Speaker 1: certain guys. Tyre Matthew and Buddha Baker came in and

584
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: they showed a lot right off the bat, and those

585
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Speaker 1: guys were higher draft picks with extreme physical and mental ability.

586
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: So can Marco Wilson or take Owen do that type

587
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: of thing early? And that's why I think this is

588
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: so important, Like some guys just get it fast, and

589
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: the coaches can tell when these guys just naturally get

590
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Speaker 1: it and have those instincts. And if either of those

591
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Speaker 1: guys can do that early, maybe that does change the

592
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: calculus where you feel like, hey, we're okay playing a

593
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Speaker 1: rookie if it comes to that, if somebody gets hurt

594
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: or if they can compete for the starting job, and

595
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: if not, then maybe you start looking at veterans more closely.

596
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to throw out there too because

597
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: it kind of hit me as we're talking about this,

598
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Speaker 1: the flip side of this, which I think you know,

599
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Speaker 1: we can talk about how short they are in the

600
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Speaker 1: secondary or inexperience. They might be at certain places in

601
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: the secondary. But on the other side of that, I

602
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: agree with you that most of the time you're gonna

603
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Speaker 1: have five dbs out there. And if you do that

604
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: and then you have two key linebackers, now again we're

605
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: gonna have to see about the experience of Simmons and

606
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins and where Jordan Hicksfix fits in. But with

607
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: the edge rushers, everybody wants to talk about what are

608
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Speaker 1: they going to do a defensive line? What are they

609
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: going to do a defensive line? And then all of

610
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, if you've got five dbs out there and

611
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: four linebackers, then you only need to come up with

612
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Speaker 1: those two inside defensive linemen most of the time. And

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00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: I think in that case, I mean, people worry about, well,

614
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Speaker 1: who are they gonna put out there. Well, you've got

615
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: some guys. You've got Jordan Phillips, You've got JJ Watt,

616
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Speaker 1: You've got Lucky Foe too, You've got Richard Lawrence. I

617
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: think you can get away with it because you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be playing two defensive linemen most of the time. I

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Speaker 1: would think, I don't meaning to mention this. You just

620
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Speaker 1: named all the defensive line. Do you think of that?

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Speaker 1: Zak Allen's absolutely Zach Allen. What about Corey Peters? Jazz

622
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: happened to notice a cardinal's flight plan. I think it

623
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: was JJ Watt making the rounds the meet and greets

624
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Speaker 1: as he went through the weight room. Corey Peters had

625
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: a cameo he's and people have pointed that out to me.

626
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Speaker 1: But here's here's the catch to that one. Paul JJ

627
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Watts signed on March first, so that was before the

628
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: beginning of the league year. Corey Peters was still under

629
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Speaker 1: contract and he was going to be rehabbing and lifting

630
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: weights here once the new league year started. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to be down there because of protocols,

632
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Speaker 1: but I'm fairly confident Corey Peters has not been around

633
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Speaker 1: because he was allowed to be at that point. Once

634
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: he became a free agent and his contract officially ended,

635
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: He's not around now. I've seen that many times over

636
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: the years, where guys who are about to become free

637
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: agents still are in working out their names might not

638
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: be as big time as Corey Peters. And I don't

639
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: know if I completely rule out Corey Peters being back,

640
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: but right now, this team will be going into next

641
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: week out of the rookie minicamp and OTAs allegedly starting.

642
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes or whenever the OTAs start,

643
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: but they're gonna have ninety guys in the roster. So

644
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: at this point, when you start signing guys after rookie Minicamp,

645
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be a one in, one out deal.

646
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: So if you sign a guy, that doesn't mean they won't,

647
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: but they're they're past the point. I mean, even with fits,

648
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: at this point, they're past the point where you're just

649
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: adding a guy to build up the roster, or you

650
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: you've left the spot open for him. Now you're you're

651
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: having to create a spot. It's an astute observation, by

652
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: the way, as to the date of which the Corey

653
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: Peters sighting occurred versus the beginning of the league year.

654
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: The big brain of Darren one of the great aspects

655
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: you're a Cardinals underground. I'm not sure if you're on

656
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: the level with Victor Demi KG with his degree from

657
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: Duke and evolutional anthropology, but you know pretty close, you know,

658
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: and that I don't all like Brett Toth, the offensive

659
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: lineman a few years ago. It was in the army

660
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: and he came into the Cardinals whole line room with

661
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: a degree in physics and nuclear engineering, and some of

662
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: the guys said they tested him at about ten seconds

663
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: into a little bit of a lecture. They said, okay,

664
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: that's enough, we're out. Thank you. That's all we need

665
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: to know on astrophysics. So thank you, mister Brett toe So.

666
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Speaking interviews though, and as oppressive as as we'll call him,

667
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: vic is tay Gowan Kyle, give me your your just

668
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: reaction when he's a signed number thirty two, And I'm

669
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: glad he said that because a lot of people might

670
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: have I don't drawn a conclusion that, Okay, wait a minute,

671
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: dis your unbridled enthusiasm and confidence run amuck here if

672
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: you just automatically took thirty two. He was a signed

673
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: number thirty two. But at the same time, he said,

674
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: I aspire to live up to the legacy. So you

675
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: know what if if confidence is one of the main

676
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: aspects you need to play corner in the NFL, he's

677
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: got that box check, does he not. Yeah. Draft day

678
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: he called himself the Tom Brady of cornerbacks, and now

679
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: he believes he will live up to that legacy of

680
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Tyre Matthew wearing thirty two and then Buddha Baker, And

681
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: if they didn't assign him thirty two, but they offered it,

682
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: I think he would have taken it. I think, like

683
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: you said, he's a confident kid, and being a six

684
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: round pick, it's no guarantee that six rounders even make

685
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: the team a lot of the time. So it's not

686
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: like he's coming in and is a first or second

687
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: round pick and there's these high expectations for him. Like

688
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: some people might think he doesn't have the skills to

689
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: play in the NFL, and he completely does. And I

690
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think confidence at cornerback is important.

691
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: I think those guys have to believe in what they're doing.

692
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: If he goes out there and gets matched up against

693
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins in a drill, if you have any sort

694
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: of doubt in your head against him, you're not going

695
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: to even have a chance. I mean, you're not gonna

696
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: have a chance most likely anyways, because it's de Hoop.

697
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: But if you beat yourself before the snap, it's just

698
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: gonna be the end of that play. So I think

699
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: confidence is a prerequisite at that position, and take Owen

700
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: has it, So I'm excited to see what he does.

701
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: He's clearly a guy that wants to engage with the

702
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: fan base and do a lot. So you root for

703
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: a guy like that. And now once he gets into camp,

704
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to show that he has that ability.

705
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: That makes so much more sense to me now because

706
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: I heard him saying that he wanted to live up

707
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: to the legacy, and I'm thinking, Michael Pittman, come on now,

708
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: all right, good, Maybe I may be joking there. Well, look,

709
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: I do shudder a little bit. I'll be honest with you, guys.

710
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I do shudder a little bit when I hear some

711
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: of the confidence. Now it's confidence, it's not proclamations. He's

712
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: not making any predictions. The reason I do is because

713
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: I was standing there are good I don't know ten

714
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: years ago when former third round pick linebacker on the

715
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: floor to state Buster Davis made a bunch of declarations

716
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: that he was going to be the next Ray Lewis. Instead,

717
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: he put the bust into Buster and never made it

718
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: out of training camp as a third round pick. So

719
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: that's that's the worst case scenario where your opinion of

720
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: your game is so inflated that you just lose your

721
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: grip on reality. I don't think that's the case. Would

722
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Take Allen. He seems very grounded. The decision he made

723
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: for his family and his daughter was born premature. We

724
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: all respect that. I think I speak for everyone when

725
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: we say that. So and you know his draft status

726
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: suffered because of it. But I'm curious. I mean, if

727
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: you gave me one player right now. Sure there's some

728
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: big name guys that JJ watts to the world in

729
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: aj Green, but next level, if you're talking about the

730
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: guys they took it are signed over draft weekend, I

731
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: think Take Allen is the guy I'm most curious to see,

732
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: just based on the need and the fact how far

733
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: he fell and his own opinion of his own game.

734
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see you can back it up.

735
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: And Greg Williams, the cornerbacks coach who we had never

736
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: interviewed before in the Big Red Rage, said, and I

737
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: think Darren, you had the quote in your story about

738
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Tay Gallen, and the quote was something along the lines up.

739
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: You know what, he's already shown the work ethic where

740
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: it's not boasting and not talking. If you back it

741
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: up with the grind and the work ethoic. Here's the thing,

742
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: and I this is not meant as a diss of

743
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Tay Gallen, but just a general having been around this

744
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: team for more than twenty years. I do I think

745
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: the I think the confidence is good. I don't have

746
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: a problem with the confidence. I don't have a problem

747
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: with the way he's delivering it. I agree with you.

748
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: I think it's it is confidence, it's not cockiness. That's

749
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: my personal feeling. However, you know, you know, we talk

750
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: about him falling in the draft and then it's like,

751
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: well did he fall? It's like last year when we

752
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: were talking all this time about Eno Benjamin and not

753
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: getting picked till the seventh round. I mean, did he fall?

754
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Is he really falling when all those teams have all

755
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: those picks and every single one of them is passing

756
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: on him, and even the Cardinals took somebody else in

757
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: the sixth round before take down? And I hope he

758
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: turns out really well, but there's there are reasons why

759
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 1: guys get picked in the sixth round. And I guess

760
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: ultimately where I'm going with this is, are you gonna

761
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: find Tom Brady in the sixth round? Once in a

762
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: while yes, are you gonna find Richard Sherman in the

763
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: fifth round once in a while, Yes you are. You're

764
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna have underdrafted free agents like Tony Jefferson once in

765
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: a while. Sure, George Kindle in the fifth round. If

766
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: you do all the math. And I apologize, Paul, because

767
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I know you don't want any math, but if you

768
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: do all the math and all the picks and all

769
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: the players, they are absolutely the exceptions to the rule.

770
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 1: They are not the rule. It does not happen very often.

771
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: We remember them because they're the ones who stuck out,

772
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: but we're not. We're forgetting about every single guy you

773
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: know that's been picked over the last few years. And

774
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: if if you go back and look at all the

775
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: sixth round picks in the NFL over the last five years,

776
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm guessing most of them, you're not going to remember

777
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot of them. You're just not. Look, I'm intrigued.

778
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'll say, I'll say I

779
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: think he should pump the brakes on Gwin Island. I don't.

780
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he should go with that yet. That

781
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: is premature. I just and you know what, he'll hear

782
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: that on the field if he gets roasted by Brandon

783
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: Aiyuk in Week one against the Niners this year, if

784
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: that indeed is the open then you know what he'll

785
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: be hearing that, and so you better be ready to

786
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: live up to that. If you're throwing that around and

787
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: you haven't even head a rookie minicamp, it doesn't really

788
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: matter to me. I mean, these guys, their personality is

789
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: what it is. I'm a big proponent of say what

790
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, be yourself. If you're an extrovert

791
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: who is confident, go ahead and say you're the Tom

792
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 1: Brady of corners. And if you're more introverted, then don't

793
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: say things that make you uncomfortable. But he clearly believes

794
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: he can play at the NFL level and it'll all

795
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: get washed out on the field. And I don't think

796
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: anybody proclaiming something beforehand and is going to have any

797
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: effect on what happens on the field. So I'm just

798
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: like you guys, waiting to see how he looks in camp,

799
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: in rookie camp, and how he does this offseason, how

800
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: he does in training camp. As long as it's not

801
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: something where you think you're so good that you don't

802
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: have to study, and if it doesn't affect your work

803
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: ethic or anything, it's good for me. Hey, I'm a

804
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm a writer. Give me the good quotes. I'm the

805
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: same way I get. Ultimately, the only reason it would

806
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: ever matter is if if you think you're so good

807
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: that you don't have to work at getting good. If

808
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: if it comes along with a work ethic, which was

809
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 1: what you said, Greg Williams said, which was what he did,

810
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really have a problem with it

811
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: because I ultimately, if Brandon Aiyuk or some receiver you know,

812
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: DK Metcalfs, he's take Gallan out there across from him.

813
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if take Allan said I'm Gallant Island

814
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: forty times, or if he didn't say anything, they're gonna say,

815
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: oh a rookie, I'm gonna take advantage of this. And

816
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I just don't think they're gonna play harder because of it.

817
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. Look at the look at

818
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: the competence in DK captain or a race against world

819
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: class sprinters, right, guys who do it for a living.

820
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, just yeah, he finished last in his heat,

821
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: but just the guts to get out there and compete

822
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: out of your element against guys with that sort of

823
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: elite speed, and hey, okay, you know so I appreciate

824
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: the guts. There's no doubt about it. By the way,

825
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: speaking of training camp and draft picks and going back

826
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: to tight end real quick, I failed to mention do

827
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: they have one or two undrafted rookie free agents that

828
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: they signed at tight end? It was a couple of guys, right,

829
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: because they sort of like they need the numbers right now,

830
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: don't they. That's reportedly at this point they're going to

831
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: bring into tight ends. We haven't seen the official list

832
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: yet because that wasn't coming out until the first day

833
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: of rookie Minicamp, but reportedly they do are bringing in

834
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: two guys, so they'll have some numbers there. And obviously

835
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: you're you're forgetting your boy, Psycho. I mean he's a

836
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: tight end two. So well, no that I'm not building

837
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: on that, you know, Max Williams, Durrell Daniels, right, Psycho,

838
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: and then the two undrafted rookie guys. Reportedly, yeah, and

839
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: Steve Kim said after the draft he was gonna basically

840
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: sign somebody in free agency, and I guess you can

841
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: say undrafted free agents count, but I'm still wondering if

842
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: there's another domino that falls at tight end because you

843
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: look at it and to me, it's the leanest position

844
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: group on the team at this point when you got

845
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: Max Williams who's been solid but injury prone, and then

846
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: Darrell Daniels is kind of a reserve tight end, and

847
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: a lot of unknown after that. So we've been talking

848
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: about corner all offseason, and I still think a veteran

849
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: corner makes sense, but also now tight end looks like

850
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: the spot that if they're going to add somebody that

851
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: would definitely be the spot. It'll be zach Ertz after

852
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: June first, just saying you guys, can you guys can

853
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: replay this in about three weeks. That'll be my prediction.

854
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: We'll see how that pans out. By the way, you

855
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: know what was surprising, and I hate to go back

856
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: to numbers. DeAndre Hopkins did not switched numbers, so he's

857
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: still number ten, right he did. He did obviously did

858
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: not go to six because James Connor is number six.

859
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: So was that a surprise, Darren No, I mean, honestly,

860
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised at other I mean I

861
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: was surprised Buddha Baker changed because he just changed. And

862
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: you know, I guess I'm not surprised at Byron Murphy

863
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: the new guys. I mean, once you change teams, you

864
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about changing numbers because you had

865
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: to get a new number anyway. So I knew guys

866
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: coming in had a good chance. So it doesn't shock

867
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: me that James Connor wanted to do that. But ultimately, no,

868
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm not really surprised. I mean, DeAndre Hopkins, that'd be

869
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: like fits wanted to be number one. I mean, obviously

870
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: he's not going to because of Kyler, but I'm like,

871
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: you've become you get to a certain level of being

872
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: a player. I mean, DeAndre Hopkins is ten. He might

873
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: have been not ten in college, but he's become a

874
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: superstar NFL player with the number ten. Why would you

875
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: change that now? That doesn't make a lot of sense

876
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: to me. By the way, you know, forget about Larry

877
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: being number one. Big Red is still number one. You know,

878
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: Big Red is still the original number one. I saw

879
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: a Big Red earlier today the Cardinals Charities Golf Tournament.

880
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Big Red was out there. So wait, wait, wait, More importantly,

881
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: who's the real twenty four? Well, and I'm playing I'm

882
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: gonna play this clip for both of them, so tell me,

883
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: Paul right, Well, honestly, I mean, I hate to say it,

884
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: but I don't. I think we're the only ones who

885
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: really would name Wolf is number twenty four anymore. And

886
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: that's not my words, that's Adrian Wilson. Adrian Wilson has

887
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: told us point blank two Wolf's face on The Big

888
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: Red Rage live on the air. Jimmahundra, I'm sure as

889
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: the cut somewhere that I made everyone forget about you

890
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: wearing number twenty four. I went to five Pro Bowls,

891
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: which was Wolf's fault because Wolf, Tauntingham said come back

892
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: and talk to me, went Mercury Morris on him, talk

893
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: to me when you're on my block with four Pro

894
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 1: Bowls and then eight double went to five and so

895
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, we'll poke the bear, and he got malled.

896
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: So it's his fault. So I don't mind bringing it up.

897
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: First of all, it's when you talk about dub. It's

898
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: not hard to poke the bear. I mean's just say hi,

899
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: good morning. That's right. It's so so I think he

900
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: said when if and when they put Wolf's name up

901
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: in the Ring of Honor. It'll just be his name.

902
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: There'll be no number because that belongs Adrian Wilson, according

903
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: to a dub. So it's a tough Break's tough break

904
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: for Wolf. You know, he should have stuck with his

905
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: college number thirty six. But but but he didn't. So

906
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: you know, by the way, speaking to Kyler and uh

907
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: number one, it's been sort of a quiet offseason, hasn't it.

908
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: The only times we really heard or seeing Kyler is

909
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: when he's been in some of the NFL cross promotional

910
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: video game features and try you know, targeting the younger

911
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: demo and and that sort of stuff. Um some cross

912
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 1: promotion otherwise, So Kyle's had a good thing, you think.

913
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters one way or the other.

914
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: I think we're all just kind of waiting to see

915
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: what he looks like in the year three. And you're right,

916
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously going into a rookie season, every but

917
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: he wants to know about the young guys, the rookies,

918
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: especially being the number one overall pick, and even going

919
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: into year two, there's a lot of intrigue about what

920
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: kind of jump can you make? Because coaches always talk

921
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: about that jump from year one to year two. But

922
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: I think this is a legitimate question about where he

923
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: goes from here because he's such on the tip of stardom,

924
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: maybe not quite there yet, especially with what happened down

925
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: the stretch last year. Does he get there in year three?

926
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: Because once you get to your third season, you feel

927
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: like it's definitely an attainable goal to be among what

928
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: do we think is realistic top seven, top eight quarterback

929
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: in the NFL with a good season, And I just

930
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: think we're all in waiting c mode. I mean, we

931
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: know what he can do, and we know what he's

932
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: about and what kind of progress has he made kind

933
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: of incognito, we haven't seen him doing workouts and stuff,

934
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: but he's obviously behind the scenes working. And to me,

935
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: when they come back, what does this passing game look

936
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: like next season? And that's gonna say a lot is

937
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of different weapons. This year. You've

938
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: got a J Green and Rondale Moore. Now your offensive

939
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: line is upgraded. Does Kyler Murray take that take that

940
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: jump and become a legitimate superstar quarterback? You mentioned that

941
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: he's not He hasn't been heard from a lot in

942
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. I mean, I feel like we

943
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: were talking about him at the outset of every podcast

944
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: last offseason, and yet I feel like we haven't talked

945
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: about him much at all. And it's kind of weird

946
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: because ultimately, he's still going to be the fulcrum to

947
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: this whole season for the Cardinals. No matter what they

948
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: do with anything else, it's gonna be about how he

949
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: plays and and ultimately, yeah, it's gonna be how he

950
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: develops in the passing game and can they add layers

951
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: to this passing game that felt not layered by the

952
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: time the season was over. And the other the other

953
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: reason why you know, it's it's kind of odd that

954
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: we're not talking about Kyler, or maybe it's a good thing,

955
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: is because I feel like this has been a season

956
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: of the offseason of the quarterback. Whether you're talking about

957
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's problems or Aaron Rodgers problems, or you know

958
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: who gets drafted out of seventeen different guys in the

959
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: first round, or you know what does Ben Roethlisberger have? Anything?

960
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: Laughter is Drew Brees retiring. It just feels like all

961
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, in some way, shape or form gotten talked

962
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: about except for Kyler, which you know, maybe that's a

963
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: good thing. You know, it's weird. I find myself in

964
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: this conundrum, this weird spot where you say you try

965
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 1: and site, Okay, Kyler is the key. Steve Kind came

966
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: through and he got Kyler the upgraded offensive line, he

967
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: got Kyler Moore weapons in the passing game, he got

968
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: Kyler an enhanced running game. They think with the addition

969
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: of a James Connor. I'm so ready to proclaim that

970
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: this is all on Kyler. If you listen to the

971
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: national media, there seems to be a big spotlight almost

972
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: crossairs on clip Kingsbury and year three is make or

973
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 1: break in some ways. To me, I start with Kyler,

974
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: but then I stopped my summit. Say, now, wait a minute.

975
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: He just made a Pro Bowl in year two. He

976
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: was Rookie of the Year and he's one of three

977
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFC to make the Pro Bowl, Aaron Rodgers,

978
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray. So I'm almost debating myself,

979
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: is that sort of level of expectation slash criticism is

980
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: that warranted considering what he's already achieved two years in

981
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: the NFL. Your reaction to that, Kyle, Well, the next

982
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: debate this you could just go on against yourself when

983
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: we can do a mirror image and you can just

984
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: debate personality audition. Yeah, it'll be good. I think, man,

985
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: I think he's a star. I think from what we've

986
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: seen already in the first two years. I mean, expectations

987
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: can get out of whack a little bit when you

988
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: see just the stupid athletic stuff he does. But I

989
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: think if you look at it an aggregate for being

990
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: I think twenty one is a rookie and then twenty

991
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: two last season, only being twenty three this year. The

992
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: things he has already done, like you said, making a

993
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and having numbers to back it up. Maybe

994
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: we don't talk about him because there just feels like

995
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: this certainty that he's he's ascending the stardom and where

996
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: is it on the timeline. But I'm just convinced that

997
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: he's a special, special quarterback. And you talk about the

998
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: stupid athleticism, and obviously I'm not arguing against that, but

999
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: do you think defenses neutralize that in the second half

1000
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: of the season. Yeah, that's the big question to me

1001
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: is how much is on Kyler and how much is

1002
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: on the offense as a whole, because I think if

1003
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: we look back, they didn't have a lot of explosive

1004
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: playmakers last season, and quarterback numbers look better. When you

1005
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: throw somebody a four yard pass and they turned it

1006
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: into a thirty two yard gain, it just pumps up

1007
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: a lot of numbers. And I don't think a lot

1008
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: of guys had that yards after catchability beyond DeAndre Hopkins

1009
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: and Chase Edmonds to an extent. So I think adding

1010
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: a rondel More to the group helps, and Christian Kirk

1011
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: in the slot might be a more natural fit. So

1012
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to put too much of it on Kyler.

1013
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: I think when he was put in a good position

1014
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: to succeed, I think he played at a very high level,

1015
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: and like the Rams game, there was a lot of

1016
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: interior pressure and like certain things that made it tough

1017
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: on him because I think if you have a strong

1018
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: offense around him, give him time in the pocket and

1019
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: get the zone read working where the running back is

1020
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: getting yards. I just think Kyler Murray is really hard

1021
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: to stop. You know, Darren. It was his rookie year

1022
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: and we all did radio hits around the country and

1023
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: people want to know about Kyler Murray, and one go

1024
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: to it I would always bring up with hosts and

1025
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: listeners in other markets was look, Kyler Murray is not

1026
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: a running quarterback who can throw. He's a pocket quarterback

1027
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: who can run. But in the second half of last year,

1028
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: once again, I'll go to my What I'm contending is

1029
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: that the defense is adjusted. Either Kyler Rando or the

1030
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: Cardinals offense didn't well enough. And we've heard from enough

1031
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: analysts in the offseason and former players who have said, look,

1032
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: it is on Kyler now to improve his game from

1033
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: the pocket and try and attack these defenses and adjust

1034
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: to the adjustment that seemed to be pretty darn effective

1035
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: in the second half of last year. That isn't less.

1036
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: He had more of a shoulder problem he suffered in

1037
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: the Seattle game, which has also been alleged out there

1038
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: by various sources in various stories that he never really

1039
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: quite professed to this extent of that injury if that

1040
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: was a factor in limiting his game. Either way, I

1041
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: think it is on Kyler to improve his overall game

1042
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. The athleticism is going to be there

1043
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: in year three, but his ability to read and react

1044
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 1: and get that ball out and go through his progressions

1045
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: and make a defense pay for some of the risky

1046
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: coverages they've employed. I think that is incumbent upon Kyler,

1047
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: even though he made a Pro Bowl in year two.

1048
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assessment. I mean, ultimately, you know,

1049
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: coaching is always going to be important, and it doesn't matter.

1050
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you're Aaron Rodgers, it always helps

1051
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: to have somebody with a different perspective than you trying

1052
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: to like help you out in here. But ultimately we're

1053
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: getting to that point in Kyler's career where he's been

1054
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: around a couple of years. He knows the offense well,

1055
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: he knows what he needs to improve upon, and he's

1056
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: the guy that's got to make that happen if he can.

1057
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: And so I do think a lot is on him.

1058
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: And that's why when you're the quarterback, you get paid

1059
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and and that's how it kind

1060
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: of plays out, and it's the whole you know, you

1061
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: get all the blame and all the glory, and ultimately

1062
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: that's true. But part of the reason isn't just because

1063
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: the quarterback is the quarterback, But part of that reason

1064
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: is because the quarterback is the most important position. It

1065
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you're talking about in football. If you

1066
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: get poor quarterback play, you're going to have a really

1067
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: tough time succeeding as a team. Now, you could have

1068
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: great quarterba A play and still not succeed as a

1069
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: team Houston Texans. But you if you get poor quarterback play,

1070
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: I just think the chance of overcoming that is really difficult.

1071
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, there's gonna be a bright spotlight on

1072
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray this year, but there's gonna be a bright

1073
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: spotlight on this whole team the way it's built with

1074
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: some of the older veterans, you know. I know Steve

1075
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: Kime said, look, this isn't I've heard people saying it's

1076
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: not about pushing the chips or it's about pushing the

1077
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 1: chips in, and I don't feel like that's what I'm doing.

1078
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: But from the outside, I can understand why people would

1079
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 1: look at it that way, and it's gonna be tough

1080
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: to see it. And then on top of everything else, guys,

1081
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: I read something this week where you know, we talk

1082
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: about where the cap getting back to normal and the

1083
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: cap is strapped this year, and I read something that

1084
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: basically the cap is gonna be a little bit higher

1085
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: next year, but not significantly. The big jump is back

1086
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: to normal isn't going to be for another two years.

1087
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: So we're going to be going into next year as

1088
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: well dealing with a tight cap and probably a lot

1089
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: of one year contracts, and it's gonna be interesting to

1090
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: see how it plays out, especially knowing Kyler is approaching

1091
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: getting that extension. I just think will have something to

1092
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 1: say about that. By the way, the whole two twenty

1093
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: three going back to normal go ahead. God yeah. And

1094
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: I from a cap perspective, I think you can still

1095
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: manipulate it and pay guys multi year deals and backload

1096
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: it and all that. But going back to Kyler, I

1097
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: think the floor that he has is so extremely high

1098
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: that when Kyler Murray's on the field, you're always going

1099
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: to have a chance to win. He's never gonna be

1100
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 1: worse than a league average quarterback because of those legs.

1101
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: And now we really get to see in year three

1102
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: and year four what he can do in the passing game,

1103
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: Like you said, Paul, where you feel like you do

1104
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: have some upgraded personnel this season, and can he reach

1105
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: that next level consistently throwing from the pocket, because if

1106
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: he does it and he gets up to seven and

1107
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: a half yards for attempt seven point seven, seven point eight,

1108
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: then you're talking about a legit MVP candidate. And I

1109
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: think he was at seven point one last season. If

1110
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: that's about where he's gonna be, then you're a good quarterback,

1111
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: but maybe not elite elite, But I just think with

1112
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: the way you see trajectories of young quarterbacks from rookie

1113
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: year to two to three to four to five, they

1114
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: always improve a little bit as they get more knowledge

1115
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: and they're still in their physical prime. And that's why

1116
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm counting on for Kyler. I just think he's gonna

1117
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,919
Speaker 1: keep getting better these next couple of years, and once

1118
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: that passing game does catch up to what he can

1119
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 1: do on the ground, he's just gonna be so hard

1120
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: to stop. And that's why I feel like he's gonna

1121
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,919
Speaker 1: be one of the best three quarterbacks, top two, maybe

1122
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: even the best quarterback in the NFL at some point. Interesting, Well,

1123
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: leave it to Kurt Warner to have an astute opinion

1124
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: on quarterback play. We had him in the Big Red

1125
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: Rage couple of weeks ago, and his assessment on Kyler

1126
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: going into year three because I made the analogy. And

1127
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: once again, sometimes I feel like, well, this is idiotic

1128
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: to say, oh, he's gonna that breakout year and year

1129
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: three like Baker Mayfield did and Josh Allen. Yeah, but

1130
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: he's already. And then once again I'm debating myself. Boy,

1131
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: he has already been Rookie of the Year and he's

1132
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: been one of the three Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Okay, anyway

1133
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: to take the next step is where I left it

1134
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: with Kurt in his opinion was he has to go

1135
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: from feeling the need to make ten Wow plays per

1136
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: game to only four or five. There needs to be

1137
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: more layups, as Kurt put it, an avid pickup basketball

1138
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: player Darren and your parlance, they are more layoups, more

1139
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: plays from the pocket where he's easily discerns and deciphers.

1140
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I go through my ras, so leaving this

1141
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: and just take what the defense gives you, move the

1142
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: chains and then don't feel that urgency or just the

1143
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: all out need the offense needing Kyler to make ten

1144
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Wow plays per game with the athleticism instead three to

1145
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: four to five per game, and then beat that defense

1146
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: with your mind and your eyes and your accuracy. Sort

1147
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: of the way Kurt Warner used to play quarterback. Obviously

1148
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: in that fashion, but that did make a lot of

1149
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: sense to me. Do you get where he's driving out

1150
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: with that assessment, Cole I was. I'm gonna disagree with

1151
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: that as as much as I probably shouldn't because it

1152
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: comes from Kurt Warner, But I just feel like they're

1153
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. Like Kyler Murray's game is built around those

1154
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: type of plays when he scampers for twenty yards and

1155
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: he throws a beautiful deep ball, and I don't feel

1156
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: like he forces that sort of stuff like we saw

1157
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: that with Josh Rosen where he did hero ball and

1158
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: it got him in trouble. I think Kyler Murray dumps

1159
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: it off a lot and does quit game a lot.

1160
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's almost to the detriment where he

1161
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: does quit game too often when he can try to

1162
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: hit that intermediate pass. And maybe we're kind of saying

1163
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: the same thing where he needs to get those intermediate

1164
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen yard passes going better. I think that's

1165
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: the key for him. But I don't see a big

1166
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: issue with his decision making in his style. I think

1167
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: it's good. I just think it's a matter of connecting

1168
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: on those intermediate passes whether and I also put that

1169
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: on the receivers. I don't think there was enough separation

1170
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: from guys not named d Hop last season. So maybe

1171
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: the proof will be in the pudding these next two seasons.

1172
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: If you've got Rondelle Moore out on the field now

1173
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: and he's a difference maker, what does the offense look

1174
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 1: like with some more dynamic playmakers. Yeah, I would agree

1175
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: with that. You know, there were a number of layups,

1176
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: at least attempted, but a lot of times it was

1177
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: a Cardinals offense going laterally and you to the detriment

1178
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: of trying to get the first down. So I guess

1179
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: the question is, well, one of those weapons. Here we

1180
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: go in three two one B Larry Fitzgerald. Here we are.

1181
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: It's mid May, and we still don't know. Maybe the

1182
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: most shocking aspect of this offseason. I mean that it's

1183
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: mid May, we still don't have an answer. I'm Larry Fitzgerald,

1184
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you guys that within the last

1185
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. I spoke to someone let's just stay

1186
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: close to Larry, who's pretty sure that Larry's still not

1187
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: sure what he's going to do. Wow, what do you

1188
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: think he's trying to decide? Do you think he's trying

1189
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: to figure out if the fire is still there? If

1190
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: he can truly walk away from the game right now

1191
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: knowing deep down that he can still play the game

1192
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: at a fairly high level. And I think he believes that,

1193
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: I really do you know? Is he wondering, Wow, where

1194
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: do I fit all of a sudden, if I did

1195
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: come back, what's my role? If I wasn't all that

1196
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: big a part of the game plan and get all

1197
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: that many targets in twenty twenty, what would it look

1198
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty one. I just I'm trying to

1199
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: figure out what Larry's trying to figure out and decide

1200
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: and discern right right about now. And if indeed he

1201
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: has yet to reach an ultimate decision YEA or nay,

1202
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: it's a that's fascinating. If I mean, if he truly

1203
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 1: has not figured it out yet, I mean, he had

1204
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,479
Speaker 1: to know that if he took a super long time

1205
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: to decide, the team was going to have to move

1206
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: on without. It reminds me a little bit. As the

1207
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: news comes out with Arizona State Basketball and Remy Martin,

1208
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,919
Speaker 1: the point guard and he was going to be going

1209
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: into the NBA Draft, but he also entered the transfer

1210
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: portal in case that doesn't work out for him. And

1211
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, part of it was like they Bobby

1212
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: Hurley needed a decision and to be able to fill

1213
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: those holes, you know, and he didn't think he was

1214
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: going to come back. But you can't. You can't just

1215
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: sit around as a team, just like the Cardinals couldn't

1216
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: just sit around in case Fitz didn't come back and

1217
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: and not take a Rondale more that kind of thing,

1218
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: or not sign an AJ Green. I just kind of

1219
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: felt like the writing felt a little bit in concrete

1220
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: with AJ Green signing because I felt like that was

1221
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: a similar signing. But I yes, you could always have

1222
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: a situation where Larry stays in the slot and AJ

1223
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: Green's outside, and you could have more kind of be

1224
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: more of a gadget eye. I don't know where that

1225
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: would leave Christian Kirk certainly would seem like Isabella would

1226
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: be out the door. And I'm not saying any of

1227
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: this cannot happen, but and I get being on the fence,

1228
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: it's just it's just tough. It's just tough all the

1229
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: way around because there are there aren't a lot of

1230
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: spots here right now, and I'm not gonna lie I don't.

1231
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: And I know I've said it a million times. You

1232
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: know that I don't think Fitz will play anywhere else.

1233
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: But I can also say on a personal level, I don't.

1234
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: I would rather have him not play anywhere else. I

1235
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: like the idea and the story of him playing for

1236
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: the one team. I'm not saying he won't at this

1237
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: point because if it's true that he hasn't decided, then

1238
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe all things are still up there. But I don't

1239
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: know where else he would go either. And once again,

1240
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: this was that person's opinion. It's Larry didn't tell him

1241
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: as much. From what I ascertained, Larry hasn't told anyone

1242
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: anything definitive. But maybe is that because he's not sure.

1243
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: And I will say this and not that he's ever

1244
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: listening to Cardinals Underground, because I'm feeling fairly confident that

1245
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: he would not. But I would also think Larry is

1246
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: the type of person that would be sitting back going

1247
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: why does everybody care so much? Why is everybody talking

1248
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: about this? Why are you even thinking about this? Just

1249
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: let it go, because I just I feel like that's

1250
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: kind of how he kind of interpret all this on

1251
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: a week to week basis us talking about his future. Well,

1252
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, it's not even at this

1253
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: point in mid May, it's not even the most urgent

1254
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: question involving fits. Right now, there is a new front

1255
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: burner question involving Larry. You guys realize that remember what

1256
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: Clip Kingsbury said a couple of weeks ago that him

1257
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: and Larry all they've talked about is Phoenix Suns basketball

1258
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: and investment advice given up? Coach? What's the investment advice?

1259
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: We know Larry, and we know who Larry knows, and

1260
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: he hangs out with the likes of Warren Buffett and

1261
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond, all these walls straight you know, influencers. You

1262
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: know what was the investment advice exactly? Larry playing in

1263
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one? That can wait. I need to know

1264
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: now what was the stock advice in the market advice exactly?

1265
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: From Larry to Cliff Kingsbury. Where's coaching we need him?

1266
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: I think that's right up Cliff's alley too. He's talking

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Speaker 1: a couple of times about if he didn't get into

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Speaker 1: football coaching, he was gonna be a real estate mayben

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Speaker 1: and killing and be a financial planner or whatever. I

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Speaker 1: think he wanted to make a lot of money going

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Speaker 1: that way, so I think they're like minded like that.

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Speaker 1: And at this point, Fitz is probably just enjoying the

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Speaker 1: ride with the Suns. Man is they're they're doing awesome

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Speaker 1: ever since he came aboard. So he's probably just flying

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Speaker 1: to each city and watching Suns games. And maybe forgot

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Speaker 1: he's a football player. He just thinks he's an owner.

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Speaker 1: Now hey, he's getting ready for the playoffs. So the

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Speaker 1: first time in a decade. So yeah, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: may right, maybe Larry don't give us an answer when

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Speaker 1: the Sons are out of the playoffs. Maybe maybe once again,

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Speaker 1: you know, Cardinal's underground by the time we're done. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it takes longer than others, but by the time we're

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Speaker 1: done with this podcast, all brought to you by Pacific

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Speaker 1: Office Automation, by the way, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: we do come up with a brand new, unique, innovative,

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Speaker 1: and somewhat plausible theory as to where Larry's at in

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Speaker 1: his big decision. You're gonna have this absolutely nailed on

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Speaker 1: one of these theories. I can't wait to play him

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Speaker 1: back and just cherry pick the one that you got

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Speaker 1: right and just blast that on the internet. Be Like,

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Speaker 1: listen to what Paul said in February. He called it

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Speaker 1: the best thing would be nor March for to for

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Speaker 1: Olmo to go ahead and string together all these segments

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Speaker 1: together and we could just listen to them all like

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Speaker 1: together as one podcast, all the theories one after another,

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Speaker 1: just edited together, back to back to back to back. Sure,

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Speaker 1: So okay, well, I don't know what else, you know,

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Speaker 1: we once again it's sort of a process. By time

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Speaker 1: we get to our Larry theory. That kind of brings

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Speaker 1: us to the end of Cardinals Underground. Although we do

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Speaker 1: want to give props to DeAndre Hopkins if it's indeed

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Speaker 1: true that he's coming out with his own cereal to

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Speaker 1: benefit charity. Do you guys see this one to fight

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Speaker 1: domestic violence? The proceeds a portion of the proceeds of

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Speaker 1: his brand new cereal, Deandre's hop Box. Apparently he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the name of the cereal and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be similar to Honeynut Cheerios. So what do you think,

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Speaker 1: are you guys going to be a buyer. I still

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Speaker 1: have a empty but I still have a box of

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Speaker 1: Jake's Jake Flakes up at my desk. So that's right,

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Speaker 1: that's good, that's you know. I mean with a name

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Speaker 1: like hop, though, how can he not have a beer

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Speaker 1: not coming out? That's what I want to know. He

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Speaker 1: needs to have a beer. There needs to be something

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Speaker 1: with hop and beer like an ipa. There needs something.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest. DeAndre seems like the kind of

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Speaker 1: guy that doesn't do beer. He seems like he SIPs

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Speaker 1: something or other. That's my vibe from him. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I just googled up some great beer names. These are

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Speaker 1: already taken unfortunately that involved the word hop. There's a

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Speaker 1: microbrewer that makes an ipa called Smooth Operator. There's another

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Speaker 1: brewery that makes an ipa Hoptimus Prime that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: There's another one hoptimum Ipa Hoppy ending pale Ale. There's

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Speaker 1: one that's out there. So you know, there's got to

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Speaker 1: be some version of a d hop that can be

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Speaker 1: turned into a beer cop I'm thinking he goes to

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Speaker 1: liquor route and comes out with hopscotch. Oh okay, Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, that did end it, That did end This

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Speaker 1: edition A Carginals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals