1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Poof. All right, Matt, we're coming in hot. You gotta 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: tell you, man, this one still wears me out. Let 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: me let me just ask you on the off chance 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: you solved this since we recorded this classic episode, Matt, 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: what happened to Aidolf Hitler? Quicksand Yeah, nobody expected it, 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: not even him, especially not him. Now, Yeah, he was 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: focused on other things. But joking aside, there does seem 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: to be some questions remaining when it comes to what 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: actually happened to Aidolf Hitler? Was the skull actually his? 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Did he actually go down in the bunker or the 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: way history tells us. We're gonna explore these questions and 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: these theories in this episode. Um, we will be talking 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: about Hitler, so prepare for that. But it'll be a 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: good compo from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to up. 17 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My 18 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: name isn't all they call me Ben? You are you 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: that makes this stuff? They don't want you to know. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: We're back right in the studio. Yeah, we're back in 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: the studio we returned from our sojourn to Brooklyn. You 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: can hear that episode the live when we did in 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: full on our website. Stuff they don't want you to 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: know dot com or wherever you find podcasts, especially Apple podcasts. Yes, 25 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: especially Apple podcast at that hot new rebrand and uh, 26 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: we had a heck of a time doing it. We 27 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: hope to do more live shows in the future. So 28 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: as a side note, if you would like us to 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: come to your town, let us know so we can 30 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: show our bosses that they should send us on a 31 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: few trips, offer us up a couch to crash on. 32 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: We would be very much appreciative of that kind of gesture. 33 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: And or of five star hotel whatever you if you 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: happen to be a big wig and you are five 35 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: star hotels, you know six of you got him under 36 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: I think four and a half is the best I've 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: ever done. Well, I can't disclose a lot of my 38 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: travel circumstances. I like to keep that underground. And what 39 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about today, speaking of overly labored segues UH 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: concerns one of the most famous allegations of underground travel 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: in modern history. This is a story about a titular 42 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: incident in World War Two in April, when the Fjura 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: of Germany a k a. Adolf Hitler died. For decades since, 44 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: this single event has remained one of the most discussed 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: moments of the entire war. He's in a bunker, right, Yes, 46 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: it was a five star bunker. He probably actually it was. Yeah, 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: we have some of the we have some of the 48 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: architecture about actually, you know what I'm remembering, and we'll 49 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: get to this later in the episode. It wasn't that great, 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: not a five star not. I don't think it was 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: a Michelin. I don't think that Michelin started facilities. As 52 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: far as food goes, it was. It was generally spoiler alert, 53 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: an unpleasant place, but mostly secure from shelling. Yeah. Well, 54 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: in theory, the death of Hitler signaled a tremendous blow 55 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: to the right, and even today, historians continue to debate 56 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: about the nature and degree of this blow because there's 57 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: this big question. Was Hitler at this point genuinely a 58 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: good tactician or had he become increasingly unhinged in irrational 59 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: due to drug use And now we're talking about like emphetamins. 60 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: He was hopped up on goofballs. Yeah, and at the time, 61 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, in World War Two we hear a lot 62 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: about use of methamphetamines, perhaps by Hitler or Saxis powers. 63 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: But as we examined in our previous episodes on drug 64 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: use in the military, amphetamines were something that everybody was 65 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: interested in, you know. And thank you, by the way 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: to everybody who wrote in in the listener mail episode 67 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: that you Nolan, you Mett did where we actually had 68 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: a caller, uh call in and talk about drugs in 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: the military. And if you haven't listened to that episode, 70 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: please check it out. It was tremendously education. It's very kind. Ben. 71 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: It was not a bad effort for for us being 72 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: without our our compatriot. Oh I was. I was listening 73 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: to it on a plane, and I think there were 74 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: there was some pretty funny moments that kind of creeped out. 75 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: The ladies saying next to me, but you know, you 76 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: made a nice appearance where you sort of possessed me 77 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: for a second and you caused my nose to bleed 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: and me to spout gibberish and I'm sorry by their spirit. Yeah, 79 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: I've also brought some clean x is into the studio 80 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: in case we have something like that happened again. So 81 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: was the loss of Hitler largely a symbolic problem? Some 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: historians have asked? And you can find exhaustive and we 83 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: do mean exhaustive biographies of Adolf Hitler and and analyzes 84 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: of the right in World War Two all over the place. 85 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more about his life. We 86 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: can recommend a couple of places to find some excellent info. Yeah. 87 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: One particularly good one is Hitler The Terminal Biography by 88 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: d Harlan Wilson. Also episode thirty seven of the World 89 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: War Two podcast The Beginning of a multi episode series 90 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: on Hitler by Ray Harris jr. Um is another good one, 91 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: and for a particularly refreshing dive of the deep variety 92 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: into not just Hitler, but the Nazi Party at large 93 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: in general and more, check out our peer podcast Stuff 94 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: You Miss in History Class, which I produce great folks, 95 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: great folks. So I feel like we're kind of burying 96 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: the lead here, guys. It's for twenty It's April today, 97 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: which not only is a day for celebrations of people 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: of infeable persuasions naphetamine thing right, No, Uh, it's also 99 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday, and you know, seriously, yeah, yeah's birthday. I 100 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Oh, or it would yeah, I guess 101 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 1: if he was still alive, he would have celebrated his 102 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: anniversary of his birth yes, which you know, I we 103 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: we did not plan this. It was not something that 104 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: we're going to do. We're usually record our podcasts yesterday 105 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and it is Thursday. However, we are not 106 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: talking about his life, nor for the record or wishing 107 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: him a happy birthday. It's just weird how the world works. 108 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: Our story starts again, as we said on the day 109 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: of his death. So let's look at the official story. 110 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: The room where it happened. The room where it happened. 111 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: That's a joke for you, Matt, Thanks buddy, I appreciate 112 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: that very much. Um, it's a it's a whole musical thing. 113 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: Don't don't worry about Oh, it's the it's the it's 114 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: a Hamilton's things. I don't, I don't. I only know 115 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: the I'm not gonna but shot. Yes. Um, So we're 116 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: going back to the bunker. This is where Hitler and 117 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: several of his closest associates spent uh pretty much the 118 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: last stretch of the war, especially Hitler, who was just 119 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: there ensconced. I love that word ben in the funeral bunker, 120 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: which is and it was an air raid shelter in Berlin. 121 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: We talked about it being resistant somewhat at least to 122 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: shelling and other large bombs. It was called the fuer bunker. Yes, yes, 123 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: those Germans Man, they really have those like words that 124 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: are just so absurdly literal. That's the bunker. And I 125 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: love the way that the German language, German speakers in 126 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the audience you already you already know this, and I 127 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: hope you realize how much non German speakers appreciate and 128 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: are mystified by this propensity in German or practice, I 129 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: should say, to make a word by just smashing all 130 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: these other words together. You know, it's it's startling to me, 131 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: and I stand in awe of your nunciation. And uh, 132 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: I'm much like thirty three Thomas Street. This bunker was 133 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: meant to contain everything you need to survive for quite 134 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: a while, especially airborne attacks, chemical weapons. Even however, if 135 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: a an atomic bomb was dropped on this thing, it 136 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: wouldn't have fared so well. Probably yeah, well, of course 137 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: this wasn't designed to because what's an atom bomb, right? 138 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: It isn't designed a big giant thing that nuclear material 139 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: wipes out populations, drops on. I also used to do 140 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: hip hop tracks with the guy who called himself Adam Bomb, 141 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: but he spelled it yeah a d A related to 142 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: Adam amp. You know. I never we We were mostly colleagues. 143 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: They had different last uh So the Fewer Bunker was 144 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: part of a larger Right Chancellory Bunker, and it was 145 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: composed of two parts. There's the Vore Bunker or Forward Bunker, 146 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: and that was completed in nineteen thirty six. The Fewer Bunker, 147 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: the Hitler Clubhouse for lack of a more respectful term, 148 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: was completed in nineteen forty four. It was about eight 149 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: feet lower in the ground, which which becomes important in 150 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: just a second. We were talking about the five star stuff. 151 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: So this complex was originally only intended to be a 152 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: temporary air raid shelter because during a lot of his career, 153 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler didn't spend that much time actually in Berlin. However, 154 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: is the situation in Germany worsened. By January of nine, 155 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: it became Hitler's primary residence, and it was not a 156 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: great place because it was below the water table, so 157 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: it's always kind of damp. If you want to see 158 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: a really, really, really well done dramatization of this period 159 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: in Hitler's life, check out the movie Downfall. You may 160 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: know it if you haven't seen it by this meme 161 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: clip where it's this part where I think Hitler's generals 162 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: or whatever are telling him that basically all is lost 163 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: and then nothing can be done, and he's got this 164 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: map and he just kind of like freaks out and 165 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: gives them all a really intense dressing down. And there 166 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: are just all these amazing versions where they changed the 167 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: subtitles to be about can you remember particular Yeah, one 168 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: was about backwards compatibility on video games. Maybe one about 169 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: like Apple removing the headphone jack or something like that. 170 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Stuff like that. It's like they basically very lead tell 171 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: him this news and he sort of twitches for a 172 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: little bit and then just kind of just loose it 173 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: and pounds on the table. But anyway, I digress. That's 174 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: that's a great film that very much describes visually the 175 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: period that we're talking about here. Recommended highly. Yeah, the 176 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: situation Noel described and Downfall from a visual perspective is 177 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: pretty much spot on. They had to run pumps continuously 178 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: to remove groundwater. They had electricity provided by a diesel generator. 179 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: They used well water for the supplies. They did have 180 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: in the beginning communications equipment and a tele x telephone switchboard, 181 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: army radio set. I would imagine they had to go 182 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: dark though after a while, or there was no one 183 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: to communicate with. Yeah, as conditions deteriorated. Uh, they ended 184 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: up receiving much of the war news from British broadcast 185 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: radio BBC broadcast and then via courier towards the end, 186 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: where someone would hear something from the BBC and then 187 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: like run across the garden and knock on the door. 188 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: And and as Matt mentioned, uh, people it wasn't just 189 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Hitler in here, right, there were other people. Yeah, there 190 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: are all kinds of officials, other staff that lived at 191 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: the larger complex itself. Aside from Hitler, there were occupants 192 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: in the bunker like itself at one time or another. 193 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: So you're talking about Goring, Herman, Goring, Heinrich, Hmmler, the 194 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them. Some of the 195 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: main players in the Nazi party, his like posse, his 196 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: inner circle. That's exactly what it is, and of course 197 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: Hitler's longtime partner Eva Braun. As you can imagine, the 198 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: psychic energy in the bunker was pretty desperate at times, 199 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: super intense, like we were saying in downfall, kind of 200 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: showing that feeling. Um and more and more occupants left 201 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: as conditions got worse and worse and worse. Surrounding them 202 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: as forces, Allied forces, Russian forces, Um, they're all kind 203 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: of squeezing in towards the bunker itself. Yeah, let's talk 204 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: about outside the bunker, because it's just as important to 205 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: our story today as what occurred inside. So by early 206 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: Germany's military was on the verge of complete and total collapse. 207 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: The Nazis felt that the battle for Berlin would be 208 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: the final battle of the war in Europe. So around 209 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: thousand soldiers of Germany's Army Group B were surrounded and 210 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,479 Speaker 1: captured on the eighteenth of April, leaving the path completely 211 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: open for American occupation of Berlin. American forces to reach 212 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: and invade Berlin um by April eleven, the Americans crossed 213 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: the Elba sixty two miles to the west of Berlin, 214 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: and then by the sixteenth Soviet forces to the east, 215 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: crossed the Odor and commenced the Battle for the Sea 216 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: Low Heights, which was the last major defensive line protecting 217 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: Berlin on that particular side. And by the nineteenth of April, 218 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: the German forces were in full retreat from Cielo Heights, 219 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: so this means there was no front line. Berlin was 220 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: bombarded by Soviet artillery for the first time on his birthday, 221 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday of April. On the one, Hitler ordered an 222 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: s S general named Felix Steiner Uh to take his 223 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: detachment and moved to rescue Berlin. But by the evening 224 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: of the same day, Soviet tanks reached the outskirts of 225 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: the city. That is a strong SS name general name, 226 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Felix Steiner just just very imposing sounding. Yes, absolutely so. 227 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: The next day the two Hitler learned that stein Steiner 228 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: had not obeyed his order and for the first time, 229 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: and this this really calls back to that moment in Downfall, 230 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: he declared that the war was lost. This is when 231 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: he consulted his doctor, Dr. Verner Hass on the most 232 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: reliable method of suicide, and doctor told him that he 233 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: should use both a cyanide pill and a bullet self 234 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: administered in that order, right, Yeah, And and this is 235 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: when Hitler's paranoia really starts to ramp up to the 236 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: highest levels that has been um because you know, I 237 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: I can only imagine that being at that top level, 238 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: you have some thoughts about the people around you that 239 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: can border own crazy maybe, And he was really feeling 240 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: that the people closest to him were traitors and he 241 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: didn't trust anybody. Well, can you imagine two going from 242 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: being the head han show that can do whatever he wants, 243 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: get whatever he wants, order whatever he wants to be 244 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: done to whomever he chooses, two living in an underground 245 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: subterranean cube, you know, with your closest friend of these 246 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: I guess, And can you imagine the paranoia that would 247 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: set in and just the isolation that would set in, 248 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Not to mention in if you're geeked up out of 249 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: your mind on amphetamines, your major generals just just disobeyed 250 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: your order outright categorically did not do his job. So 251 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: here's the Here are a couple of examples. When Herman 252 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Goring learned about this suicide conversation Hitler had had with 253 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: his doctor, he sent a telegram Jadolf Hitler and asked 254 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: for permission to take over the leadership of the Reich, 255 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: and he he had. Goring felt he had precedents because 256 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one, Hitler had named Goring his successor. 257 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: So Hitler's secretary, a guy named Martin Borman, convinced his 258 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: boss that Goring was planning a coup. In response, Hitler 259 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: told Goring he would be executed unless he resigned, and 260 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: then he sacked, going from all of his offices, ordered 261 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: his arrest. And then he learned through the BBC that 262 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: Heinrich Hmmler had offered to surrender to the Western Allies. 263 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: Can you imagine? So all of these you know, thoughts 264 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: that he's having are in some ways coming true right 265 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: the The offer, by the way, was declined by the Allies. 266 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: Himmler apparently had implied to the Allies that he had 267 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 1: the authority to negotiate a surrender, and Hitler considered this treason. 268 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: He was beyond furious. He ordered Himmler's arrest. Was he furious? 269 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: That was worth it? That was worth it? Uh? He was, 270 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: he was furious. Uh. He not only ordered Himmler's arrest, 271 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: but Himmler had a representative from the s s who 272 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: was at the bunker, and Hitler had him executed, talk 273 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: about blaming the messenger the representative. So by the seven April, 274 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: as we said, Berlin was cut off from the rest 275 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: of Germany. On April twenty nine, Hitler married Eva Braun, 276 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: and upon learning the fate of his ally Benito Mussolini, 277 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: whose body was desecrated after his execution, was he dragged 278 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: behind like a carriage of some sort, Yeah, I believe. 279 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: So he requested the Sinai capsules from his doctor, remarking 280 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: that he would not be made a spectacle. Side note. 281 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: A side note here, just to give a little inside 282 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: into the character of the dictator he need. He wanted 283 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: to make sure the capsule worked, so he ordered his 284 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: doctor has to use one on his own dog, blonding 285 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: and he at least it wasn't like his daughter or 286 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: something right, but it didn't make an apologies for Hitler. 287 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: It did work, the dog died and Hitler was satisfied. 288 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: He went to bed, which brings us to the day 289 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: of On April, General Wilhelm Kitl reported that all forces 290 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: that could have rescued Berlin had either been encircled or 291 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: forced onto the defensive Soviet forces were less than six 292 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: feet from this half star bunker, and then the commander 293 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: of the Berlin Defense Area told Hitler that the forces 294 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: that remained would run out of immunit ammunition that night 295 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: and the fighting would eventually come to an end less 296 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: than twenty four hours from then. So imagine the scene. Hitler, 297 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: two of his secretaries, and his personal cook had lunch, 298 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: after which he and Eva said farewell two members of 299 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: the staff and the other occupants at the time that 300 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: included Bourman, Joseph Garrible's his family, the secretary's military officers. 301 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: Around two thirty, Adolph and Ava went into Hitler's personal study. 302 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: Witnesses later reported hearing a gunshot. About an hour later, 303 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: at three thirty, Hitler's valet, a guy named Heinz Ling, 304 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: have Bourman and his side. They opened the door. Ling 305 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: smelt burnt almonds, which are a common observation made in 306 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: the presence of prussic acid, which is the liquid form 307 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: of hydrogen cyanide, and another official entered the study and 308 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: found lifeless bodies on the sofa. Ev Braun was to 309 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: Hitler's left, slumped away from him. People stated that Hitler 310 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: sat sunken over blood dripping out of his right temple, 311 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: and that he had shot himself with his own pistol 312 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: a walthor PPK. According to heinz ling Eva's body had 313 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: no physical wounds that were visible, and it looked like 314 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: from her face that she died of cyanide poisoning. His bodyguard, 315 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Rochus Mich, was one of the first people to see 316 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: the dictator's corpse, and he also ended up being one 317 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: of the last two living people left at the bunker. 318 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: He fled the bunker and May the second only hours 319 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: before the Soviet army seized it. He met up with 320 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: other soldiers. They traveled north through the u Bon tunnels. 321 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: They were taking prisoner when the Soviets caught them. He 322 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: was brought to a prison in Moscow called Lubyanka, where 323 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: he was tortured in an attempt to extract information regarding 324 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: what happened to Hitler. Because you see Stalin Joseph Stalin 325 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: was extremely interested in learning more about hit There's fate 326 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: and theories about as possible escape and because of this, 327 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: roches Mish spent eight years and forced labor camps. His 328 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: account largely confirms the official narrative, but that's just one 329 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: guy's account, right and it and a lot of people 330 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: you know still don't believe the story. But why we'll 331 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: answer that after a word from our sponsor. Here's where 332 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Almost immediately after the news of Hitler's death, 333 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories proliferate. It. We're talking the same month, were 334 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: the same couple of weeks. Like wildfire, they spread. This 335 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: view is overwhelmingly dismissed in the public sphere and in academia, 336 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: but they are tantalizing little nuggets of of information. They 337 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: continued to be strewn about and emerged, casting doubt on 338 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: the official story. Here is one example. Um a secret 339 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: memo from FBI Director J Edgar Hoover declared that quote, 340 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: American Army officials in Germany have not located Hitler's body, 341 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: nor is there any reliable source that will say definitely 342 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: that Hitler is dead. At the Potsdam conference, US President 343 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Harry S. Truman s Stalin of Hitler had died, and 344 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: Stalin said nope. I'm kidding. He didn't actually say nope, 345 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: but he said no. And the thing is that Soviet 346 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: intelligence often changed their official stance on Hitler's fate, and 347 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: because of this ambiguity. They created a large amount of 348 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: uncertainty for decades afterwards. There are also a number of 349 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: FBI documents that came out. You can find them at 350 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: the vault dot FBI dot gov. You may have heard 351 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: of this before, um And these documents are alleged sightings 352 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: of Hitler that happened after his supposed death. Usually he's 353 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: wearing like a Hawaiian shirt and a little fedora and 354 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: like like like glasses with the nose and the mustache attached. 355 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: Those are yeah, those are more recent, and he has 356 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: that T shirt that says definitely not h Yeah, yeah, yeah, 357 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: always have the arrow pointing out. But these documents, they 358 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: range from from you know, all the way to the 359 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: seventies and then later. But most of them are accounts 360 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: of someone calling in or making contact with the FBI 361 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: or some other agency and saying, I'm I know where 362 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: Hitler is. He's here in Argentina, or he's here and 363 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: then Puerto Rico or in these other places. Um And 364 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: it's just a recording of someone saying that they have 365 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: that information. And we need to put in a brief 366 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: word about this sort of stuff. So one problem that 367 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: law enforcement across the planet runs into repeatedly is the 368 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: idea of someone seeing a random person and thinking that 369 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: they're definitely, you know, the Zodiac Killer, the son of 370 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: Sam tupacor perfect example. And the problem with that is 371 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: in many cases, not only can these not be verified, 372 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: but often not maybe not the majority of time, but 373 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: often there are people who were just reporting it because 374 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: they kind of want attention, not to mention if you 375 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 1: have an actual like man hunt since you situation. Like 376 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I recently watched the O J. Simpson dramatization Non von 377 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: FX with Cuba Gooding Jr. And there was a part 378 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: where when o J was on the run and the 379 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: Bronco people kept calling like saying, I saw it, definitely 380 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: see o J. And it was just clogging up the 381 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: lines to the point where like the person that actually 382 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: had information couldn't even get through because people, like you say, 383 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: either are jerks and are just trying to like prank people, 384 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 1: or they just really want attention and want to be 385 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: like the guy that brought down Hitler. Yeah, there's excitement 386 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: right in thinking that it might be. And so one 387 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: of the reasons that the FBI did keep track of 388 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,439 Speaker 1: this all the they did conclude that these accounts or 389 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: these reports cannot be verified. They had an interest in 390 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: keeping tracking this because of the situation with Hitler's body. Yes, okay, 391 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: according to the official story, what happened with Hitler's the 392 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: the Hitler's body, both Ava and Adolf, they were taken 393 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: from the bunker up to the surface, um and they 394 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: were set on fire. Yeah, cremated right per his wishes, exactly, 395 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: And because he didn't want his body anything, He didn't 396 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: want anything to happen to his body after the Soviets 397 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: got there, and he didn't want to get the Mussolini treatment, right, 398 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: And because of that, because it was burned and may 399 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: have even been hit from the shelling, possibly once or 400 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: twice or however many times. There's no way to confirm 401 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: any of that. There were other bodies that were also 402 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: cremated there. There was a whole stack of bodies that 403 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: ended up roughly in the location where the Hitler's were, 404 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: where their remains were, and it wasn't really known for 405 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: quite a while, in the time frame after his their 406 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: deaths and after the remains were collected by the Soviets. 407 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: So they're all kinds of forensic issues here. And let's 408 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: let's also keep in mind that almost immediately after World 409 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: War Two, the uneasy alliance that existed between the Soviet 410 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: forces and I guess more of the West, right, like 411 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: the European allies in the US. Almost immediately this uneasy 412 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: alliance began to disintegrate. This was much more of an 413 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation, right, 414 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: what about a friend of me of my friend of me? 415 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: And then that would take us back to the bunker. 416 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, fret of me is a friend of me 417 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: is a pretty accurate term for the interaction between these people. 418 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: So the Soviet government having control over a lot of 419 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: this stuff and already launching into a rivalry. And this 420 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: is not to put this geopolitical cold war stuff all 421 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: on the Soviets end there. There were definitely aggressions on 422 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: both sides of this new world order. But another, as 423 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: as Null said, a nugget of information emerged recently and uh, 424 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, decades later and set the Internet on fire 425 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: because the Soviet government, after multiple changes in their their 426 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: end of the official story and ambiguities and contradictions, allowed 427 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: a an archaeologist and bone specialist named Nick Bellotoni to 428 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: test the fragments of skull that the that were kept 429 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: in the Russian Federal Archives in Moscow and purportedly were 430 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, the remains of Hitler's skull that Nick Cage 431 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: was o piste when he found that out, He's like, 432 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: I thought I had Hitler skull in my collection. I'm 433 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: sure there will several people who wrote strongly worded letters 434 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: to eBay. So the the thing that Dr bell Atoni 435 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: found out was that when he took samples of the 436 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: skull and gave them DNA testing, found that it definitely 437 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: wasn't Hitler unless Hitler was a woman below the age 438 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: of forty. It wasteresting. It was a different skull. I'm 439 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: gonna say it was a different skull. I'm gonna agree 440 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: with you. Well, yeah, and it goes back to that 441 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: whole idea that there were a lot of body strewn 442 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: about in that area where they picked up you know, 443 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: where the Soviets picked up the remains for testing. Um, 444 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, it was just gonna happen probably, And and 445 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: here's something interesting, Okay, Neither former Soviet nor current Russian 446 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: officials claimed that the skull was the main piece of 447 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: evidence proving it was Hitler, so we have to throw 448 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: some water on this one. Instead, they would cite these 449 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: jawbone fragments and two dental bridges that were found, and 450 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: these items were shown to Hugo Blashke, who was Hitler's dentist. 451 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: That's the thing about being a dictator, you have a 452 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: you have an entourage of people who just did one 453 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: thing for you, right, And so Hugo the dentist, and 454 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: his dental assistant UH, person named Kathy Hauserman UH, and 455 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: then a longtime dental technician named Fritz Eckman all confirmed 456 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: that the dental remains, the bridge, the bridges belonged to 457 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: Hitler and Eva Broad and the skull fragment itself, and 458 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: it sometimes gets glossed over in the stories about it's 459 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: not Hitler's skull. The skull fragment was found a year 460 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: later in n when the Soviets were investigating rumors of 461 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: Hitler survi evil because for a long time Stalin was 462 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: obsessed with this, and Stalin definitely had an obsessive personality. 463 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: So we can say that maybe that part of the 464 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: story of Hitler surviving or faking his death, maybe that 465 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: part of the story is a little sensationalized, but there 466 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: are still clear problems with the official narrative, and even 467 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: today Hitler would have been And if you want to 468 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,239 Speaker 1: see X rays of Adolf Hitler's jaw and pictures of 469 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: a recreated version of the jaw bone when they were 470 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: doing testing to figure out if this truly was Hitler's 471 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: jaw bone, UH searched the adontological identification of Adolf Hitler. 472 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: There's an entire document here that goes over everything and 473 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: includes images of everything we just talked about. Why do 474 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: you think Stalin had such a band his bondet about 475 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: this whole business. You think he just felt like out dictated. 476 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. And he was definitely an obsessive man, 477 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: obsessive in terms of personality, perhaps two the level of 478 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: a mental disorder. But then there's also the very interesting 479 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: argument that one cannot be a dictator without some sort 480 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: of cognitive anomaly, right exactly. And also we can't forget 481 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: that he had access to information that did not exist 482 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: in any way whatsoever, not only in the public sphere 483 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union, but even in governmental levels in 484 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: the West. So he saw a lot of problems with 485 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: the official story. And as more and more of this 486 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: information emerged across the gulf of time and space. Uh, 487 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: More and more people began to question whether Adolf Hitler 488 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: actually died and began asking what if? We're gonna ask 489 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: that question too after a little sponsor break. So what if? This, 490 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, is the part of the show where 491 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: we explore some of the speculation regarding alternate narratives of 492 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Hitler post World War Two. I'd be okay with that. 493 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: I'm fantastic. I'm glad you're on board. So if if 494 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: he did somehow escape, where would he have gone? Earlier 495 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: in the show we mentioned Earlier in the show, we 496 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: mentioned one of Hitler's officials who said, look, the s 497 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: is about to hit the f and I don't mean 498 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: San Francisco. We're gonna run out of ammunition in twenty 499 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: four hours. That that official also requested for the m 500 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: time for Hitler to green light them attempting to make 501 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: a breakout, which would mean that he and the associates 502 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: and the remaining military would essentially go for a Hail 503 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Mary and just try to get through the Soviet encirclement 504 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: to reconvene with whatever existing forces they could find. Because 505 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: there were tunnels that were fairly nearby that they could use. 506 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: There were some airports that possibly they could have accessed, right, 507 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: So that is one of the big questions. This brings 508 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: us to what we would call ratlines and paper clips. 509 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: You see, although the Allies reported that Hitler was indeed deceased, privately, 510 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: several factions within that coalition doubted the official story. Several 511 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: figures in Allied intelligence believed Hitler might have actually escaped, 512 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: and as mentioned before, the Russian leader Joseph Stalin was 513 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: certain Hitler had actually fled, and he told this to 514 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: the Americans. So during a visit to the Hague shortly 515 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: after the war, the commander of the Allied forces, good 516 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: Old Dwight Ike right, Ike, Yeah, I like Ike Dwight D. 517 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Eisenhower told reporters that there was a quote reason to 518 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: believe Hitler was still alive. Um, the Russian account of 519 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: what happened after they had seized Hitler's one star bunker 520 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: was confused and contradictory. And just like bin Laden decades later, 521 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: there was no body. What's the what's the Latin? First? 522 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: Show me the body? You have the body? What about 523 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: show me the money is there a Latin for that. Yes, 524 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: probably habeas de niro. We will, we will doubtlessly find out. 525 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: You can write to us directly with the Latin translation 526 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: of not only show me the money, but your other 527 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: favorite film catch phrases. So yes, So there were rumors 528 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: that were circulating that both Hitler and Brown at this 529 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: time they're both Hitler's had been smuggled out of Germany, 530 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: and the reported signings of the two coming from all 531 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: over the world. You know, the FBI and the OSS, 532 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,720 Speaker 1: which you may know as the predecessor to the CIA, 533 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: they investigated a lot of these rumors, and there are 534 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: a lot of places that they may have gone, according 535 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: to these rumors. One of them is South America. Yeah, 536 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. At the time, this was not 537 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: an absolutely bonkers concept, although the public was largely unaware 538 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: of the situation. Multiple Nazi officials escaped punishment after the 539 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: war through several different means due to the hundreds of 540 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: thousands of German immigrants who lived in the country. Argentina 541 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: in particular, maintains close ties with Germany and remain neutral 542 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: throughout much of World War two. In the years after 543 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: the war, the president at the time one prone secretly 544 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 1: ordered diplomats and intelligence officers to establish escape routes so 545 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: called ratlines, through ports in Spain and Italy to smuggle 546 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: thousands of former s S officers and Nazi Party members 547 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: out of Europe, and as many as five thousand Nazis 548 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: are thought to have relocated to Argentina. One of the 549 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: major ideas about how this may have happened, how the 550 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: Hitler's got out it comes. I'm pulling this from Skeptoid, 551 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: another podcast that covers a lot of these kinds of things, 552 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: and I would recommend you check it out if you're interested. 553 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: We're just gonna pull from here. So on May eighth, 554 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: the German Instrument of Surrender was signed. So this is, 555 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks after, like a weekend, 556 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: a couple of days after Hitler allegedly committed suicide, officially 557 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: ending the war. This, yeah, officially ends World War two, 558 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: at least in Europe. And there were remaining German German 559 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: submarines and several other naval ships that were out at 560 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: sea at the time, and the submarines in particular were 561 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: ordered to jettison their ammunition, to operate only on the surface, 562 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: and to surrender or essentially to any U n port 563 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: that they could. Now several several of the submarines decided 564 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: this maybe some kind of diversionary tactic. Maybe the war 565 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: isn't over. Maybe this is propaganda and they're just trying 566 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,439 Speaker 1: to get us to, you know, surrender. So one boat, 567 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: in particular, one submarine, a U boat called U five thirty, 568 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: it chose to kind of be on its own for 569 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: a while, almost two months. Where it it took, it 570 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: took a journey and if you look at the skeptic 571 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: way thing, it tells you all about exactly where they went. 572 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: And this is the ship that allegedly dropped off Hitler, 573 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: the Hitler's according to several stories, because of its route, 574 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: it took past Argentina right and ultimately it's surrendered to 575 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,799 Speaker 1: the Argentinian Navy. Isn't that correct? Yes? So the it 576 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: also not only jettisoned a lot of its equipment, but 577 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: it's logs. Yeah. So these two missing months are questionable 578 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: as they exist in the statements that their mouth gave 579 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: to the Argentineans. So what's the what's the fringe historian 580 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: accounted this? Matt The account would be that the Hitler's 581 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: escaped through tunnels, got to an airport that then took 582 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: them over to the submarine. The submarine then dropped them 583 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: off in Argentina. And you know that that's like the story. 584 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: And there are allegedly a couple of people that saw them. 585 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: I saw some German officials exiting the submarine. Um though, 586 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, being able to correctly identify which submarine it was. 587 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: They're all kinds of issues with that. And if you 588 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: look at the official story from the captain or what, 589 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them, the person who 590 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: was running the submarine, the commander, uh, the logs their travel, 591 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: his story of the travel with those that they jettisoned 592 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,439 Speaker 1: makes sense as far as how much fuel they used, 593 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 1: how much fuel they had on board, and where like 594 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: the route that they took, which doesn't include dropping people 595 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: off in Argentina if you did the math right. So 596 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: unless there were some other fuel stop that remains secret, 597 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: it would be physically impossible even in to reduce some 598 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: more economical speed for U five thirty to make that trip. Yeah, 599 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: because of the long amount of time they were traveling 600 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: extremely slowly deep in the water. So this idea, this 601 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: ratline stuff was not restricted to Argentina, nor is it 602 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: a series of allegations. Let's be clear here. The only 603 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: allegation is that Adolph Hitler was among those who went 604 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: on these rat lines. Otherwise, it's completely true and it's proven, 605 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: and in some cases, with the assistance of the Vatican, 606 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: various officials escaped. German prosecutors who examined secret files from 607 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: Brazil and chill A also discovered that as many as 608 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 1: nine thousand Nazi officers and collaborators from other countries escaped 609 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 1: from Europe to fine sanctuary in the South American nations. 610 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: Brazil took in between fifteen hundred and two thousand war criminals, 611 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: five hundred to a thousand settled in Chile. Here's an 612 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: interesting point, Perrone, and I'm so proud of the three 613 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: of us for getting this far without a don't cry 614 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: for me, Argentina a vita reference. What's that I'm not 615 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: following for this reindeer game de one with Madonna? Is 616 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: it is? And I didn't think it was that bad. Uh. 617 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: Perrone particularly wanted to recruit Nazis with military and technical expertise, 618 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: because let's remember, these scientists were doing some top notch 619 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: rocketry work because we've discussed in previous episodes. So they 620 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: were like rocket scientists, and they were literally rocket scientists 621 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: brain surgeons. I don't know if they were brain surgeons. 622 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: But the guy who who invented the V two rocket 623 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: for you know, the Nazis also invented the Centurn five 624 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: rocket that went to the moon, right, remember him? Uh? 625 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 1: These uh the thing that prone wanted to do. The 626 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: reason he wanted these uh, these scientists is because he 627 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: believed it could help Argentina's progress in these fields. Much 628 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: like the United States and the Soviet Union. Despite the 629 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: public righteousness and pretends of pursuing justice, both the US 630 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 1: and the USS are scrambled like mad dogs to gain 631 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: possession of as many Nazi scientists as possible, Like roaches 632 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: fleeing the blinding light of a forty watt bulb. Yeah, 633 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: Like like people at a comic convention desperately clawing at 634 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: each other and trampling one another when someone threw out 635 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: a copy of Action Comics number one or a two 636 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: Leader of Mountain Dew. I've seen that happen in person. 637 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: And or you know, like two massive empires that want 638 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: to control the world and need every technical little bit 639 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,959 Speaker 1: of advantage they can get that is much more apt Matthew. Yes, 640 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 1: in the US, this was known as Operation paper Clip. 641 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: And if you'd like to learn more about it, oh, 642 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, have we got a deal for you. 643 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: You can check out all of our past video and 644 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: audio episodes on that with a simple Internet search. However, 645 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: we would be remiss if we did not close on 646 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: one of the more let's say, controversial theories about the 647 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: ultimate alleged escape route of Adolph Hitler, and that is, 648 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 1: if we could have a drumroll please, Antarctica. Yes, Hitler 649 00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: went to join his ancient aryan underground brothers in Antarctica. Uh, 650 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,920 Speaker 1: I mean polar bears. That's the original area nation. Polar 651 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: bears are in the North Pole. These would be penguins. Oh, 652 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: my bad, I get my poles confused. The the the 653 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:19,000 Speaker 1: this ties into the earlier longstanding theory that in factors 654 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: in something called Operation High Jump. So we'll talk about 655 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: the less less out there version and then will maybe 656 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: end on the really really out there version. So the 657 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 1: less out there version is that the Allies and the 658 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 1: Axis Powers were both exploring Antarctica as sort of an 659 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: insurance policy to make sure that they could control all 660 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: of the continents eventually, because we have to remember they 661 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: are playing a huge live action game of risk, and 662 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: so the German side and the Axis side wanted to 663 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: create a land called New Schwapia, and you can actually 664 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: find this on some of the maps of the top time. 665 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: The theory here is that a U boat that was 666 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 1: out of pocket or was maybe black ops the entire time, 667 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: ferried Hitler and some other officials to Antarctica, where they 668 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: began to plan for a third right version, to which 669 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: I guess technically would be a fourth rich but they 670 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: did not consult Matt nolan I on the nomenclature. This 671 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,760 Speaker 1: is widely not accepted by academia, but it goes further. 672 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,280 Speaker 1: There's also a train of thought amongst people who believe 673 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: that the Nazi powers discovered, or were at least searching for, 674 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:51,399 Speaker 1: as Matt said, an underground race of ancient arians who 675 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: made their own civilization in anywhere from a subterranean cave 676 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,280 Speaker 1: system to a hollow earth penguins just so uber penguins, 677 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: and that these uh that these forces are responsible for 678 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: multiple UFO sightings in the subsequent decades. Now that's fascinating. 679 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,480 Speaker 1: Tell me more. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make 680 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: light by saying they were penguins. I was just trying 681 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 1: to make up for not knowing where polar bears live. 682 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, uh no, please please don't don't beat 683 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: yourself up here. The idea is the The idea is 684 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 1: that it's kind of a take off the concept we've 685 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: seen before that UFOs, often confused with extraterrestrials, are just 686 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: classified technology that most people aren't aware of. Right, So 687 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: the idea here would be that the Nazi Party or 688 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,280 Speaker 1: the remnants of it, made it to Antarctica, but also 689 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: managed to preserve some of the secret technology they have 690 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: been researching. So might this enter into like the sort 691 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: of trope, sort of James Bondi trope of like secret 692 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: underground ice layers with death rays and things like that. Oh, 693 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. At this point, you know, we do have 694 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,720 Speaker 1: to say that it doesn't seem from what we've encountered, 695 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem likely that Antarctica ended up being the 696 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: final resting place of Hitler. We do know for sure 697 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,160 Speaker 1: that South America ended up being the final resting place 698 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: for several members of that same political party. However, we 699 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:33,239 Speaker 1: do have to ask, are all these stories Is all 700 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: this conjecture based on the fact simply that this is 701 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: one of the most infamous people in history? Or are 702 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: the holes in the official narrative, which you know indisputably exists, 703 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: even just in the manner of his death in Berlin? 704 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: Are these are these holes purposeful propaganda efforts by the 705 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: Soviet intelligence? Or is there something more to the story. 706 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: Did Adolph Hitler die by his own hand on April nineteen? 707 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,760 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's all about a lack of closure. 708 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: You have this ancient evil figure that at the Allies 709 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: and the Soviets are all seeing as like this is 710 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: the guy. We win if this guy is dead and 711 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,640 Speaker 1: you you know, allegedly he's dead, but you can't prove it, right, 712 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: you don't have a body, You don't have a thing 713 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 1: to show in the newspaper like here is Hitler's dead body. 714 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 1: The evil is defeated. It's the same thing with Osama 715 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: Bin Lawton. That's I mean, it's why when you have 716 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: that boogeyman, the only way to get closure is to 717 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: know for certain that he, you know it, is dead. Well, 718 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: it's a it's sort of a fascination maybe obsession we 719 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: have with that kind of closure where you know, so 720 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,239 Speaker 1: many people really depend on a funeral where there's a 721 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: body and a casket that you can say that was 722 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 1: my people, and now it's he's gone, and we do 723 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: a thing and say goodbye. Honestly, it's like the antithesis 724 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: of that in a way, but with that same lynch 725 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: pen of like proof, like we need to show everyone 726 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: needs to assemble and see this, accept it, and then 727 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920 Speaker 1: we can move on. If you don't have that, there 728 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,839 Speaker 1: are many that would maybe always look at what we're 729 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: talking about, there's still a possible jecture. You know, speculation 730 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,439 Speaker 1: runs wild when you don't have that kind of proof, 731 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,120 Speaker 1: and we see that all the time with the stories 732 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: we can. Let's add another aspect here, which is a 733 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: little bit disturbing from a psychological perspective, but I believe 734 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: absolutely real and for the more crucial to these considerations, 735 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,759 Speaker 1: and it is the following. So, the official reasoning of 736 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,240 Speaker 1: the US government in the assassination of Osama bin Laden 737 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,240 Speaker 1: and the burial at sea, which I believe is the 738 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,239 Speaker 1: phrasing they used, was that they did not want a 739 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: grave site because they did not want to encourage martyrdom, 740 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: and they did not want to encourage you know, uh 741 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: attacks or events around that. So would the reasoning be 742 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,920 Speaker 1: that if there were a a grave for Hitler or 743 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: a known place of death, that this would become a 744 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: rallying point for people who shared those views, or even 745 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: a site of constant uh what's the word defacements, you know, 746 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 1: a site of constant um vandalism or destruction by you know, 747 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: people that hated this man and that had real pain 748 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 1: and suffering cause to their families in their life and 749 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,000 Speaker 1: their family and generations for generations to continue to go 750 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: back to that place as a you know, I don't know. 751 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people always are going to resort 752 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: to violence or lashing out, but that's a pretty big one, 753 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: you know that, And and historically people do resort to violence. No, 754 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I like to think the best 755 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,200 Speaker 1: of people, I guess, but I really do agree that 756 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:03,040 Speaker 1: having a site like that could cause problems, could even 757 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,239 Speaker 1: cause clashes between the current supporters of some of that 758 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: ideology and people whose lives and families were torn apart 759 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: by you know what he did. Where the hell do 760 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 1: you put it? You know space Antarctica. An Arctica is 761 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,080 Speaker 1: so isolated it's like diet space. I'm sorry, I did 762 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: it again. I said Antarctica, Arctica, the Arctic going well. 763 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: Speaking of thinking the best of people, we want to 764 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: thank you for checking out the show and we want 765 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: to hear your opinions. How familiar are you with this concept? 766 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,760 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are familiar with Hitler 767 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,320 Speaker 1: escape theories due to some of the search for Hitler 768 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: shows that are played on cable television. And what's your take? 769 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: Is this something to ask some sand to it. If 770 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: there is something that the official narrative has misled the 771 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: public on, what is it and why did they do it? 772 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 1: Because as we've seen in the course of this show, 773 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: there are multiple opportunities. Again, I know I'm primarily hitting 774 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: on Soviet intelligence here, but there are multiple times where 775 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: the story didn't add up, but not in a way 776 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: that conclusively proves or disproves rather the official narrative. So 777 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: write to us, let us know your thoughts. And while 778 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about the best part of the show, which 779 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,839 Speaker 1: is you. That reminds me it's time for shout at corners. 780 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,560 Speaker 1: That's right, it's shout out corner at the time and 781 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,640 Speaker 1: every show where we shout out to you are beloved listeners. 782 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,240 Speaker 1: The first shout out today goes to Noir Guitar Super 783 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Uh nore Guitar Super says, I'd love a 784 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 1: shout out dooche cool, thank you. I don't know what. 785 00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: I just said that randomly one day and it's just 786 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: caught fire. I totally stole it from Bob's Burgers too. 787 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,759 Speaker 1: I am such a fraud. Um So, I'd love a 788 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 1: shout out if possible. I shouldn't say that I didn't 789 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,080 Speaker 1: really on the Bob's Burgers. It's schedooch. I made it 790 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,440 Speaker 1: an sh sounds that's not exactly stealing it. Um It 791 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: was lifted with good intentions, it was inspired. It was 792 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: inspired by Yes. Um So, I'd love a shout out 793 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: if possible. Topic suggestion from Noir Guitar Super. Have you 794 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,520 Speaker 1: ever heard of that Mexican drug dealer who practice black magic, 795 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,359 Speaker 1: did all sorts of wacky stuff, also a serial killer, 796 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:41,240 Speaker 1: Adolpho Constanzo. It gets crazy from the word go emoji. Yeah. 797 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,720 Speaker 1: I put emoji in parentheses because when I read the comment, 798 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,880 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure which emoji he meant so I just 799 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: wrote emoji in parentheses. That was my bad. Well, I'm 800 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:57,719 Speaker 1: just gonna insert a unicorn. Fantastic uh. And that's a 801 00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 1: that's a great topic idea. Uh, Lar guitar super because 802 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: Adolphin Constanzo is someone that we had looked at a 803 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: little bit in the past but never done a show on. 804 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,600 Speaker 1: This is a Cuban American serial killer, drug dealer, and 805 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: cult leader of a gang called the Narcos Satanist or 806 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: Lost Narcos Satanicos. Uh. His cult members nicknamed him El Padrino. 807 00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: What what he did was he was participating in in 808 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,120 Speaker 1: the narco trade, but he began to believe that these 809 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,800 Speaker 1: magic spells that he was practicing, many of which he 810 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 1: he lifted and and sort of twisted from belief system 811 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,680 Speaker 1: called Polo Maombe, were responsible for the success of these 812 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,200 Speaker 1: cartels that he worked with, and he started killing people. 813 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,600 Speaker 1: He had beef with some of the cartels when he said, 814 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, you will all your success to my dark 815 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,480 Speaker 1: magic and they said, you know, hey, man, like we 816 00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: like cocaine too, but being kind of crazy. Uh. And 817 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 1: then seven members of this powerful cartel h disappeared and 818 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: they turned up with body parts missing. Come to find 819 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: this guy would put body parts in a cauldron and 820 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,479 Speaker 1: participate in cannibalistic black magic. I would love to look 821 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,239 Speaker 1: into this guy further in a future episode. And by 822 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: the way, no our guitar Super. While you're waiting. If 823 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: you haven't done it yet, check out our episode on 824 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: Narco Saints and check out our interview with Bob Maser 825 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 1: of the infiltrator Um. The film with Brian Cranston was 826 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,239 Speaker 1: based on this guy, Bob Maser, who was an an 827 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:45,160 Speaker 1: undercover operative UM and he basically infiltrated the Narco trade 828 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,240 Speaker 1: that we were talking about. And there's some really interesting 829 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: stories about Santa Ria and about encounters with some of 830 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: these types of folks. So that's another another that's a 831 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: really good call. Thank you, super Guitar for an extremely 832 00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: disturbing topic that I look forward to looking into. The 833 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: next one comes from Clayton. Clayton says, Hello, guys. I 834 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,920 Speaker 1: found it amusing that when I started playing the latest 835 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,080 Speaker 1: episode of a podcast about conspiracies and I found it 836 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: begin with an ad for a store opening near me? 837 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:19,320 Speaker 1: Do they know? Have they found me? Are they near? 838 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 1: Who are they? I just thought it was funny given 839 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 1: the premise of the show. Well, we think it's funny too, 840 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,239 Speaker 1: and that's why we're doing it. We think it's hilarious. 841 00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,920 Speaker 1: We're just playing a joke on you. They're not real ads. 842 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it. We're just they're little easter 843 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,359 Speaker 1: eggs that we hope you find, Clayton, and there's one 844 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: in this too, so I hope we've noticed. I have 845 00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,960 Speaker 1: a little topic suggestion that I'd like to throw in, 846 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: just thinking about some of the stuff we just talked about. 847 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,000 Speaker 1: Jim Jones. Have we done anything on Jim Jones. We've 848 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,279 Speaker 1: done video video, but we should do a podcast because 849 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,000 Speaker 1: there's a new book that just came out written by 850 00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: the Peabody Award winning author Jeff Gwen called Jim Jones 851 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,600 Speaker 1: The Road to Jonestown. That's not actually called Jim Jones 852 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: The Road is just called the Road to Jonestown. But 853 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: he did a fabulous interview on NPR with Terry Gross 854 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 1: the other week, and there's actually audio tape of the 855 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, drinking the kool a the flavor, aight, I 856 00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: guess it was. Yeah, yeah, that was some pretty uh, 857 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 1: pretty blood curdling stuff. But there's a lot of stuff 858 00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know about him and his history, and I 859 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,080 Speaker 1: think it might be worth exploring. And like the fact 860 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: that some of his early work was very humanitarian for 861 00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: lack of a better term, and much more in the 862 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,439 Speaker 1: social justice kind of vein, and only after he sort 863 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 1: of went down his own rabbit hole and drank his 864 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: own kool aid and intelligence exactly. That's true too, But 865 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,200 Speaker 1: I think I don't know i'd like to do that. 866 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: That's just that's a personal shout out to to myself. 867 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,800 Speaker 1: I can't check right now if we've done an audio 868 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: podcast on it, but I'm pretty sure we did in 869 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 1: early early on. We may have. We may have uh 870 00:56:54,280 --> 00:57:00,359 Speaker 1: that the relationship between intelligence communities and religious leaders is 871 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,359 Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating. I actually lost sleep earlier this week when 872 00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,839 Speaker 1: I was reading back again on Mary not Marylyn Man. 873 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,680 Speaker 1: It's a different guy, Charles Manson and uh Paul Crockett, 874 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:17,120 Speaker 1: the scientologist miner who saved Texas Watson. So we've got 875 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: one more shout out here, and it comes to us 876 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: from from Tyler via email. Tyler says, hey, y'all, big fans, 877 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 1: show you help me get through many a long drive. 878 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,720 Speaker 1: Had a couple of show ideas. First, after this election, 879 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,560 Speaker 1: all the accusations voting fraud, I'd love to hear about 880 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,680 Speaker 1: the history of rigged elections. When was the first recorded 881 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 1: fixed vote? When was the last fixed vote? Maybe some 882 00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,960 Speaker 1: famous rigged elections. We can definitely look at the third one, Tyler, 883 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 1: finding the first one's gonna be tough. Well, some people 884 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,680 Speaker 1: might also say, show us an example of a non 885 00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,840 Speaker 1: rigged election. Also, I think that an episode about the 886 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: d s M, says Tyler, would be fascinating. Its history 887 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,080 Speaker 1: is a tool for social control. The inherent prejudice and 888 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: the influence of big farm on diagnoses make this a topic. 889 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: I think you guys, love of thanks stay awesome. And 890 00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: he sent us a follow up message. He said, just 891 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,479 Speaker 1: realized that I forgot to say. I'm a mental health 892 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: professional who has worked in the field for more than 893 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: fifteen years, and I teach mental health diagnostics at a 894 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: local graduate school. So my love hate relationship with the 895 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,439 Speaker 1: d s M is not just a flash in the pan. 896 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, just respond to this email. 897 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,120 Speaker 1: Perhaps we could chat on the phone. Yes, I just 898 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:30,920 Speaker 1: listened to that episode, So thank you so much to Tyler. 899 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: Noir guitar super Clayton and to you, Mr brown Man, Chucks, 900 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,840 Speaker 1: I think it's I think these are all fantastic ideas 901 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:54,280 Speaker 1: I've done. He is self ska douche and this concludes gosh, 902 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: but not the end of our show. Matt Noll and 903 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 1: that's the end of this class sick episode. 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