1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one seventy nine, 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: and today we're joined by Tim Woods, a white tail outfitter, 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: a land specialist for white tail properties, a blood tracking 7 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: dog handler, and an all around super serious deer hunter. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: And we're discussing the white tail rut, advice for tracking 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: wounded deer, and much more. All Right, welcome to another 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 1: episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear and Tay the show. We are 12 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: joined by Tim Woods. He's an outfitter for hunt Master's Lodge. 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: He's a land specialist for white tail properties. He's filmed 14 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: in the past for Dreary Outdoors and now white Tail Edge, 15 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: and he is just an all around very serious white 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: tail hunter. And today we're gonna be catching up with 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: Tim to discuss all things related to hunting, the white 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: tail rut and tracking wounded deer. Because he's got a 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: couple I believe, blood tracking dogs. He takes all across 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: this area helping people recover deer. So I think he's 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: gonna have some interesting things to share on that front 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: as well. But before all that, we need to take 23 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: a few minutes here for our weekly pregame show with 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: Yours truly and Dan Johnson of the Nine Ginger Chronicles. 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: So how are you? Man? I wonder how many people 26 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: are actually gonna type the Nine Ginger Chronicles into a 27 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: search You're pretty soon? I hope a lot, And I 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: hope your face pops up. I wouldn't doubt it. What's 29 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: the new? Dude? Dude? Who cares? Wait? Look before, I 30 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about me right now. I want 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: to talk about you. What's holy Field? Holy Field? Holy Field? 32 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Holy Field? What's up? Alright? The holy Field updates? Uh? 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Shorten and short and bitter sweet. Um. So my plan 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: was to start hunting him on Tuesday. Tuesday has huge 35 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: cold front come through. Temperatures were like twentyres cooler than 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: they were over the weekend, but had pretty heavy rains 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: and heavy wind. So I spent the day debating whether 38 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: or not I should still go out, and in the 39 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: end I decided, you know what, I'm gonna go for 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: it because I hope that that wind's gonna die down. 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: A little bit, and the the rain dies down a 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: little bit. It couldn't have been really good. And I 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: had what I thought was a safe place to hunt 44 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: in his general area. So I headed in there, got 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: up in the tree, and within like twenty minutes, I 46 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, this is way worse than 47 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: the forecast said. The gusts were really really strong. It 48 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: had to be gusts maybe, And I noticed that it 49 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: was starting to get dangerously close to swirling towards a 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: bad place. Um. And I just sat there debating for 51 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: it twenty minutes and just decided to know it is 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: not worth screwing things up on a night like this 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: for the future. So I pulled everything out and snuck 54 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: back out and headed out for the night. So that 55 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: was night number one. Didn't get to hunt at all. Really, yeah, 56 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: Night number two was tonight. The winds were supposed to 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: die down again, still nice and cool, um. So I 58 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: headed in and with the wind direction, we had the 59 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: best spot I could hunt. The safest place I could 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: hunt in this general area was my red neck um 61 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: box blind. This this elevated box blind. So I thought, 62 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: all right, I don't hunt that blind, So I sneak 63 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: in there, I climb in and as soon as I 64 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: climb in, I hear something and I look up at 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: the ceiling and all of a sudden, I see there's 66 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: bees all over the place inside of this blind. So 67 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: I panic and I scurry out of that um. And 68 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: then I'm like, well, what in the heck am I 69 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: going to do tonight? Because that was like the one 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: place I thought I could safely hunt UM. And I 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, I had all my stuff with me for 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: a box blind hunt, so I had a tripod for 73 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: my camera. I didn't have a tree stand harness or anything, 74 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: so I had to go all the way back to 75 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: my house and swap out my gear get all the 76 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: stuff for a tree stand hunt. And then I had 77 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: to wait like an hour and a half before the 78 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: wind was supposed to shift a little bit, which I 79 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: thought then would allow me to hunt one of my 80 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: tree stands. The wind did sort of shift. UM, So 81 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: I snuck in there and just got in there late, 82 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: got into one of my favorite stands, the stand that 83 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: I that I've had these multiple shot opportunities that Holy 84 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: Field for in the past. But long story short, I 85 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: did not see him. Um. I saw some doze, saw 86 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: a couple of year and a half old bucks. I 87 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: saw one two and a half year old buck that's 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: been all over the place and he chased some does 89 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: out in the field. Um, and that was it. It was. 90 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: It was a pretty uneventful night compared to what I 91 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: was expecting, given how good the conditions were. So kind 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: of disappointing, but it is what it is. Uh, it's 93 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: it's disappointing on a macro level or a micro level, 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: but on a macro level, like I have a feeling 95 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: that all these you know, all these little steps lead 96 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: to lead to something. I agree, as long as I 97 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: don't die. Oh man, is your next sponsor going to 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: be like a cigarette company? No, I'm the exact opposite. 99 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm drinking some warm apple cider and it went down 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 1: her own pipe. Wow, excuse me. This episode we listened 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: to Mark Cough for five minutes. All right, hopefully that's it. 102 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: But yes, to your point, hopefully this is just one step. 103 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: Hopefully I didn't um make too many mistakes. It was 104 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: one of It was unfortunate that I had the issue 105 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: yesterday and then tonight had to come in and out twice. 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes when things are going wrong. All 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get surprised with something going really well. Right, 108 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: So I've got I've got some win directions that should 109 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: allow me to hunt him at least again tomorrow, um 110 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: and then maybe later in the week or on the weekend. 111 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: So I'll be keeping after him. Hopefully things pick up 112 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: here soon. But yeah, what about you. Last time we talked, 113 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: you were saying that you were going to kill that 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: October lull buck to prove everybody wrong to do it. Well, 115 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: I only got to hunt one day out of that 116 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: whole quote unquote period of October. Little period, but um man, 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: I was in the right spot. I'll tell you that. 118 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: It just that the um the and I think I 119 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: told you this in a in a text message or 120 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: an email. Think of a triangle right with a flat 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: part on the bottom and the point that goes straight up. 122 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: So the point on the top was the is a 123 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: betting area, okay, And then there's two trails that come 124 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: out of the betting area. Then they go down different 125 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: parts of the ridge. And I was set up on 126 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the right hand side, and we had one what looked 127 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: like a shooter go down the left hand side, and 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: then another buck that I couldn't tell what he was. 129 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: Uh work work is you know. All I saw was 130 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the tips of the antlers. I couldn't tell if it 131 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: was mature, and he was kind of in some real 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: tall crp um tons of does. And then last night, 133 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: to get out of the wind, I went back to 134 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: a stand that I set earlier in the year. Um 135 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: and dude again, money doze all over. UM heard grunting 136 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: in the woods and it almost sounds like some light chasing, 137 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: but I never did see the deer that was making 138 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: that noise. And then as I'm just randomly glassing, I 139 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: see some antlers pop up and down, and all I 140 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: could see was the face of this buck and parts 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: of his antlers, but not the whole head at one time. 142 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: So and I couldn't hardly see the body at all 143 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: because he was in some really thick stuff, but the 144 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: face looked really, really old. He was about eight yards 145 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: away and um, he was raking a tree. And then 146 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: he dropped down behind me and then went into a 147 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: corn field. And then by that time it was dark out, 148 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: So I did I tried. I put myself in the 149 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: best possible stands uh with the information that I had. 150 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: Uh and uh you know, I didn't get it done, 151 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: so I guess, uh, the October little does exist because 152 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: I didn't kill it here. That's that's gotta be it. 153 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: It's encouraging though that at least you were seeing some 154 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: seeing some action. Man, I'll tell you what, this has 155 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: been maybe my slowest start to a white tail season 156 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: in recent memory. I still have not seen a shooter 157 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: buck yet all year. Um, so that's hopefully unshamed soon. Yeah, 158 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: but you've only hunted in Michigan, right, uh and in 159 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: Montana and Montana. Yeah, okay, so I'll take that back. 160 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll take that back. I saw one shooter while I 161 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: was in Montana, way off from the distance. Okay. So obviously, 162 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: in a way, this is still kind of early, and 163 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: I think I, like I mentioned before, October of last 164 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: year was the first time I had any daylight pictures 165 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: of a shooter on camera. So obviously, depending on where 166 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: your camera's at, that's an indicator of when these big 167 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: boys and mature bucks are going to be on their feet. However, man, 168 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: I got a big, big buck on trail camera consistently 169 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: right now, about two hours after sunset, after dark coming through. 170 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: So my my thought is and that's what I'm talking about. 171 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: One particul kular trail camera and uh and I sent 172 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: you the picture of him. Dude, he's uh, he's he's 173 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: he's not big big, he's like big big, big, big big. 174 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: And he's a main He's a main frame eight with 175 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: a split G two. That's all he is, right. But 176 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: he's just gigantic, big old body on him. I mean 177 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: he's mature for sure. And uh um, I think that 178 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: if everything goes like it did the past couple of years, 179 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: like I have history with this area, and it's like 180 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: I know what the bucks are gonna be doing, and 181 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: I think that this buck is going to start showing 182 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: up in daylight hours somewhere between the November one in 183 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: November five time frame. So I'm gonna be in that 184 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: area hopefully towards the end of that area is when 185 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: my vacation starts that that time frame. But the other 186 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: thing is I pulled another trail camera card before I 187 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: went and hunted, uh last night, and man, I got 188 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,599 Speaker 1: it another and nothing gigantic in the Antler department. But 189 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: what I think are two more four year old consistently 190 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: on camera in daylight already. So yeah, So and it's 191 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: in a standing cornfield. Can you get up there and 192 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: hunt those guys sooner? I I, And this is where 193 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: it sucks. I cannot hunt until let me check my 194 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: while you're doing that. While you're doing that, this is 195 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: this is just for the audience. This isn't for you. Um. 196 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: But I just want everyone listening to know that I 197 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: can be held accountable to my obligations because I did 198 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: send Dan his babysitting check to guarantee him some hunting opportunities. 199 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: So so now I'm going to take your words from 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: last weekend. Dan, I'm gonna throw it back at you. 201 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: No excuses, no excuses. You gotta hunt these bucks. Oh yeah, 202 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: and I will. I'm going to. Uh. I just hope 203 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: that the between now and the next time that these 204 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: bucks uh, that I get down there to hunt the um, 205 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: the corn in that area hasn't been picked, because I 206 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: think that if that corn gets picked, then those deer 207 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: gone to a different farm. So when's the next hunt 208 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: this weekend? Or no, this weekend is a wedding yank uh. 209 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: So the next time I will be able to hunt 210 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: is November three. Oh, so it's it's basically that time 211 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: from when you gotta get after that other one. Yeah, yep. So, 212 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: And you know the first thing I do when I 213 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: start my vacation every year is I pull cards on 214 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: most of them, depending on if they're intrusive or not. 215 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull my cards. I'm gonna look at them 216 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: and see what's on there. Um. I'm kind of hoping 217 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: for a little more rain so that corn stays in 218 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: that field just a little bit longer and um, and 219 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: then hopefully by the time I check my other two 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: cameras in the area where that big boys coming through 221 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: the goal would hopefully to pop in there and then 222 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: wait for a south southwest wind. And that's when that's 223 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: when I think he likes to to visit that area, 224 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: is on a southwest wind. Well, I'll tell you what 225 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's gonna happen soon. And this is it. 226 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: We're next week. Even right now, I think it's gonna 227 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: be pretty good in a lot of places with this 228 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: cold front. And I think next week it's it's game time. 229 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: It's the Super Bowl. Time to grind. And your your 230 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: vacation is that third through the following Sunday. You got 231 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: that whole week off and weekends is that right. Well, 232 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: this is where it gets good for me. I have 233 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: let's see, I will start hunting November three, and I 234 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: took vacation all the way to November, uh, which is Thanksgiving, 235 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: so I don't have to be back to work till November. 236 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: So I I technically have I technically have three weeks 237 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: to hunt. But I think the wife said I can 238 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: have two weeks this year. That's that's good. So that 239 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: that should that should allow me to get after it 240 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: and start the process that I like to do, and 241 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: that's you know, hunt a buck until he doesn't until 242 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: he stopped showing up, and then move to another one. 243 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully you just hunt that buck till he stopped showing 244 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: up because he's dead. Yeah, that wouldn't that be nice 245 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: as the sole Let's make that happen, dude. Yeah. And 246 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: it's almost like I look at my phone at night. 247 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I look at my phone even when I kind of 248 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: wake up when I have to go feed my son, 249 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: and I hit this little button on my phone and 250 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: it should will show all the messages, and I'm just 251 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: like waiting for you to text me just like got 252 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: him or something like that with a with a picture 253 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of a bloody arrow and then I'll pee myself. Man, 254 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: I can't wait to send that text message and then 255 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: I'll pee myself. So ah, man, I'm I don't know. 256 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: I thought I thought i'd see him tonight. But here's 257 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: what we need to do, right, Yeah, here's what we 258 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: need to do. We need to both kill you, kill 259 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: holy Field, now kill a decent buck this year, and 260 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: then we'll celebrate the next time. I think we're gonna 261 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: next time we see each other is at the A 262 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: T A Show and we'll we'll celebrate with some bruskies. 263 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: I think that's a good plan, all right, man, Well, 264 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to shut this intro down because we 265 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: need to give Tim a call um and I know 266 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to bounce. So I'm gonna 267 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: run solo for here from here on out. But let's 268 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: plan on talking again next week, and heaven at least 269 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: I'll have some good stories for you, and then you 270 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: can tell me about your plan about your vacation which 271 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: will be starting that week, which I'm excited to hear 272 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: all about. So let's toss it over real quick to 273 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: Spencer to hear our sick story, and then we'll give timocall. 274 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: For this week's sit of story, we're joined by Nick Kravitz, 275 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: who tells us about a turkey hunt that ended at 276 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: two yards. So it was this spring and I decided 277 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: that I wanted to try to get my first turkey 278 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: with the bow. And I had already got one in Florida, 279 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: one in Tennessee, and I was actually it was, I 280 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: believe as Sunday. I'm not sure, but anyway, nonetheless, I 281 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: went to New York, which is a neighboring state to 282 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: me where I'm currently living in Pennsylvania, and I went 283 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: out there with the bow with my cousin Tanner, and uh, 284 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: right off the bat we heard birds gobbling off the 285 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: roost and we're actually running a little bit late. I 286 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: had seen this bird fly down from like a hundred 287 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: and twenty five yards, so I real quick set out 288 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: my decoys right beside me, about ten yards away, and 289 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: I kind of leaned up against a tree looking to 290 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: this path that I thought for sure it was gonna 291 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: come up. And uh so I called a few times. 292 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: He was coming in coming in every time I called, 293 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: and I realized my face mask wasn't up, so I 294 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: put it up, and I called him more time, and 295 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: he was to the right of me ten yards and 296 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: this turkey walks right behind me at two yards, right 297 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 1: into my decoys, and immediately as he put his head 298 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: behind his tail fan and full strut shot and I 299 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: got my first turkey with the bow. So it was 300 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: pretty awesome. On Nick's hunt. He was wearing sick Is 301 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: Equinox system. If you'd like to create a sick Of 302 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: story of your own, or to learn more about sick 303 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: Is Technical hunting apparel, visit sitky gear dot com. All 304 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: right now with us on the line is Tim Woods. 305 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to show. Tim, Thanks sir, thanks for having me. Yeah, 306 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: of course, And and we're just we're just talking a 307 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: second ago before I started recording, walking through, just making 308 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: sure I had all my information right as far as 309 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: all the different things you are doing these days, because 310 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like you are just a very very busy guy. 311 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: All things related to white tails too. So it's a 312 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: good thing, but you've got to be a little bit 313 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: worn out with all these different things going on. Huh yeah, 314 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean towards the towards the end 315 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: of the year. Uh you know, I I'm to the 316 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: point where I'm ready to be done for a little bit, 317 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: and then uh, and then the fire gets going again, 318 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and you know, once the snow starts them mount or 319 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, get the shed hunting a little bit, and 320 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: then you know that that fire gets blazing again and 321 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,719 Speaker 1: you're right back after it. So you know, it does 322 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: get a little redundant, you know, every once in a while. 323 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: But for the most part, it's the labor of love. Yeah, yeah, 324 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: at least at least everything you're involved. And it sounds 325 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: like is uh is closely related to our to our 326 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: love of white tails. Um and I briefly introduced you 327 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: before we brought you on, but can you kind of 328 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: walk us through a little bit of your background and 329 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: and what you all the different things you're doing today 330 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: without today I'm you know, basically uh, you know, working 331 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: for an outfit or here in west central Ohio. We've 332 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: got four counties that most of our properties are in, Logan, Champagne, 333 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 1: Union and Shelby County for the kind of the county 334 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: that we focus on, um, you know, and then uh, 335 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: you know, we got you know, we don't do we 336 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: don't hunt every week like a lot of outfits, you know, 337 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: for a lot of people may think we do um, 338 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're not. Uh you know, we're I guess 339 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: it'd be uh, you know, less and more. You know 340 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: obviously when it comes to trying to kill big deer, Um, 341 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: we don't hunt a lot. You know, we just had 342 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: one the big deer on their feet and uh, you know, 343 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: like I said, we we know with Ohio you've got 344 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: a four months long deer season, but you know we 345 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: might only hunt. I think we're hunting like nine total 346 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: weeks out of the year with guys in camp. So 347 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: we're not just you know, it's not just a like 348 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: a puppet mill. We're just running guys in and out 349 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: like crazy, you know. So we're uh, you know, we 350 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: uh you know, we you know, we have a lot 351 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: invested in our properties and you know we're trying to 352 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: kill older class year so uh and the guys that 353 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: hunt with us too. You know, we've had the same 354 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: guys for you know, going on ten years, so it's 355 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: more like uh more almost more like a club really, 356 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, the same guys year after year coming out 357 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: with us. So you know, it's not so much like outfitting, 358 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, you know, we look forward to seeing the 359 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: guys again, you know, after not seeing him for a 360 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: whole year, and they come and it's just just like 361 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, being at home, you know here as far 362 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: as the camp atmosphere, but uh no, do do the 363 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: outfit and stuff. And then uh, I've got some recovery 364 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: dogs to uh some blood havings every dogs that I 365 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: dabbled into, uh, you know a few years ago, I 366 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: you know, outfit and you you always you know, you 367 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: always have a you know, a deer that you you know, 368 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: the way that Hunter explained it, you know, with the 369 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: shot and everything. You You're like, man, I know that 370 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: dear's dead and I just can't find it. So I 371 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: took them amongst myself and uh and got a pop 372 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: and trained it myself and through the help of you know, 373 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: social media, some other guys that you know, just off 374 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: the tips and stuff that they did with their dogs 375 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: in the past. And you know, it turned out, you 376 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: know that I got got lucky, really lucky with one 377 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: of my dogs. And she's just she's phenomenal. You know, 378 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: her name says she's four years old and she's like 379 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: ninety two recoveries right now, so she's, uh, she's legit. Yeah, 380 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: she'd probably be she'd probably be really good if she 381 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: didn't have to be tied to me. But here here 382 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: in Ohio, we have a leash law. You know, they 383 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: would consider hunting with the dog didn't have him on 384 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: the LEAs, so you know, if we have to have 385 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: a leash, And like I said, if she didn't have 386 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: to be tied to me, she would probably be uh 387 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: that much better. But and then uh, then with white 388 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: tail ledge of this film A when I can you 389 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: know the show that I'm doing with Ben Rising, Um, 390 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: you know he really needs no introduction. Ben's Ben's uh, 391 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: he's a big deer killing machine. That's what he just eats, 392 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: breathes and sleeps it. You know, the guys that that's 393 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: just what he does. Um, you know, and I love 394 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: it when he kills a big deer. You know, he's uh, 395 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, he works hard at it. So he deserves 396 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: every big one that he kills, that's for sure. And 397 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: uh yeah, just just trying to help him as far 398 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: as the footage goes, and take care of sponsors on 399 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: that end, and and raising two kids my wife force 400 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: full time. I've got a thirteen year old daughter and 401 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: loving old boy. They're into every sport possible. So so 402 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: we're we're a busy team over here in Ohio. It 403 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: sounds like it. And then and then now you're still 404 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: working with white tail properties as well too, Absolutely, yeah, 405 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: white tail properties. I'm the landsprucial as the white tail 406 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: properties here. I've got, actually, I've got a fairly big 407 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: territory over here in west central Ohio. I've covered nine counties. Uh, 408 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: there's pretty much if you just look on a map, 409 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: like a county map, I go from like Tomorrow, Uh, Delaware, Union, Logan, Shelby, Champagne, Ah, 410 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: what is the Green and Madison counties counties. Um, I've 411 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: got a fairly large territory over here that I'm that 412 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm covering. And there's some some phenomenal deers, some really nice, 413 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: you know, recreational type properties on this side of the 414 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: state that uh, you know, granted, this side of the state. Uh, 415 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: the land is not cheap, you know, and like they 416 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: always say, they're not making any more of it, but 417 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: it's uh, there's some really really good deer over here. 418 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: It's some really good properties. They are spitting out some monsters. 419 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of good things about that area. 420 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: It's not quite as well known as maybe you know 421 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: just east of Columbus, or maybe you know down in 422 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the far south. But I keep on hearing good things 423 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: about that that you know west central. I've been I've 424 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: been interested in trying to head out that way one 425 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: of these days too. I've hunted south of you quite 426 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: a bit. Um. And speaking of that, Tim, I don't 427 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: know if you remember this. You probably don't because you 428 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: get so many calls, but you were actually um involved 429 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: in one of the most um trying times of my 430 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: deer hunting career a handful of years ago. UM I 431 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: shot at the time was my largest buck ever. UM. 432 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: This would have been two thousand fourteen. I guess it 433 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: was down in southern Ohio. And uh I was not 434 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: able to find him. So that next day I was 435 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: trying to find someone of the tracking dog and you 436 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: and me talked on the phone for a while. You 437 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: had something going on. You couldn't actually help me out, 438 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: UM because of your I think, yeah, I think, I remember, 439 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: I think I had I think I had hunters in 440 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: camp and it was just so hard for me to 441 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: get away. UM. And and Casey, the guy that the 442 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: partners was with the bloodhound deer trackers. I remember him. 443 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 1: He told me about it, and it was you guys 444 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: ended up finding that dear, didn't you not? Well, we 445 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: we didn't find him until the following February. Unfortunately. I 446 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: had a different guy come down with his dog that 447 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: day and we tracked for a good long ways but 448 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: but never could connect the dots. And then yeah, the 449 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: next February, and maybe maybe it was early March, late February, 450 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: early March, we went back shed hunting and ended up 451 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: finding him right right and kind of the core of 452 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: the property. And we walked by that area a thousand 453 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: times looking and um, either we somehow missed him or 454 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: he didn't come back till the next day or something. Um. 455 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: But but and that happens a lot of times, a 456 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: lot of times, if you know, you know, I can't 457 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: remember where that was that deer hit and the liver 458 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: intestine or liver got Yeah, I think it was intestines. Yeah, See, 459 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: especially with it with intestines, it's just sometimes they can 460 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: take you know, thirty six sometimes for the things to die, 461 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, they can they can be sick for a 462 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: long time and just you know and just walk around. 463 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I've been It could have been one 464 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: of those scenarios. But yeah, that's that's a bad deal 465 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: when that's part of you know, it's gonna happen. Yeah, 466 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and I remember, I remember that 467 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: was a that was a really big deer. Yeah, yeah, 468 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: it's a it's a bad deal when that happens. But 469 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: I just remember had a good phone call with you, 470 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: and you were really helpful at least walking through different 471 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: thoughts on it and stuff, and and uh, you know, 472 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: one of these days, well, hopefully I'm not in need 473 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: of a blood tracking dog, but if I ever do, 474 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: I will try giving you a call again and see 475 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: if it happens to work out. But I want to 476 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,479 Speaker 1: talk about blood tracking dogs. I want to talk about 477 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: what you're doing with the outfitting side of things that. Honestly, 478 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: there's a lot of different things I want to talk about. Um, 479 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: So I guess first, I'm curious. I always feel like 480 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: outfitters must have a really interesting perspective if because of 481 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: the fact that you're not just kind of hunting for 482 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: yourself in some way, you're involved with many many other 483 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: people's hunts, and you're hearing about how things are going, 484 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: probably and you're you're kind of tracking and planning and things. 485 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm curious, I guess I guess Number one, how involved 486 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: are you with that? I mean, are you actually helping 487 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: individual guys out with where they're headed and everything, or 488 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: is there somebody else on the team that does that? 489 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: And then number two, if you are involved in that, 490 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: what have you been seeing so far this year for 491 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: your clients and your hunters? Well? Pretty much? UM. You know, 492 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: if if I'm not doing something with the real estate 493 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: with like heal properties, I'm on on the properties that 494 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: we're outfitting on UM. I'm babysitting them. I'm taking care 495 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: of them. I mean, I want to say I'm on them. 496 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I'm not walking around on them, you know what I mean. 497 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just maintaining them, you know, checking the 498 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: camera that's planting the food plots, do all the stand 499 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: prep and so forth. Pretty pretty much everything for me 500 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: to see on the properties that we outfit on UM. 501 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: And then you know, and basically when my guys come 502 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: in to camp, you know, they roll on the camp 503 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm showing pictures of deer, potential deer 504 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: that are of age that we want to try and target. UM. 505 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: While they're here. Um and obviously you're gonna have some 506 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: deer pop up, you know, during the rout this time 507 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: of year that you know, let's say cornfield gets cut 508 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: a half a mile away and all of a sudden 509 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: that deers. You know, that deers in your timber. But 510 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of times when the guys 511 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: rolling camp, basically all I mean, I literally I take 512 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: them right to the to the stands. You know, either 513 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: either I get them to the tax in the morning 514 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: and you know when I slip them in there and 515 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: get them in the set, or in the evenings. A 516 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: lot of times I drive them right to the stand 517 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, for hunting, you know, hunting the field edge 518 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: or something just to eliminate foot traffic. But basically, you know, 519 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: basically I'm the one that's killing the deer, you know, 520 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: so to speak. But those those are the guys. They're 521 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: just pulling the trigger on the deer, you know, and 522 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: that's why they're coming. You know, they don't live here. 523 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: They're you know, they're only getting you know, when I 524 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: tell guys when they come into camp, I said, uh, 525 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, you're not here for a long time. You're 526 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: here for a good time. Know so and that, and 527 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: you know and and and they trust us, you know 528 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: what I mean, that's what they're paying for. Um. You know, 529 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: we try to provide a good hut and uh you know, 530 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: and put trying to you know, do our best to 531 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: put a mature animal in front of them in the 532 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: six days that you're here. That's gotta be That's gonna 533 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: be a lot of fun at least for me. Like 534 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: as much as I enjoy pulling the sugar and actually killing, 535 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: you know, a deer that I've been after, I think 536 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: I just love the chess match leading up to it 537 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: even more just you know, thinking about where should I be, 538 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: what's going on, what are these deer doing? What's the 539 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: intel tell me? And you get to do that times, 540 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: you know times, I don't know how many different guys 541 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: you're you're taking a hunting, I mean times ten, whatever 542 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: it is. I mean, that's am I right. Is that 543 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: just a blast for you? No? No, I mean you're 544 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: thought on. I mean that absolutely. That that's the fun 545 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: part for me, especially you know, you know, as as 546 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: I've evolved, um and starting to get my kids in 547 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: the hunting and stuff and you know, and doing this 548 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: outfit thing um any with white tailed properties, you know, 549 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: setting up farms and health and landowners and so forth. Um, 550 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: I get more more enjoyment out of the process of 551 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: planning the food plots and you know, digging the water 552 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: holes and setting up the cameras and and manipulating a 553 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: big mature deer to do what you wanted to do 554 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: in the daylight. You know. For me, that's the ultimate, 555 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, And it doesn't even have to be me 556 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: that that shoots a deer, you know, I just I 557 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: just know that you know, if if some if I 558 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: had some influence on it, you know, if I helped 559 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: the person do it, or like if it's on one 560 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: of our farms, and you know, and I planted the 561 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: food plot that the deer got shot in, or or 562 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: I did you know a hinge cut that made the 563 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: deer change of travel patterns and so forth. That you know, 564 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: when the guy shoots a deer that, you know, I 565 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: get just as much reward out of it, you know 566 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: as they do when they when they shoot it. Yeah. Yea. 567 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: So how things been going so far? Have you have 568 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: you already had hunters in camp yet or is that 569 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: yet to happen? We? Uh, what we did here to 570 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: how how it comes in the flash. Saturday in September, 571 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: we had, uh, we just do a small fourman camp. Uh, 572 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: and we had we were pretty successful. We were two 573 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: for four and we had one one deer gets shot 574 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: in the shoulder. Um, so you know, realistically we should 575 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: have been seven. But the four guys we had in 576 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: camp um killed two nice DearS. You know they weren't 577 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: uh they were both of them are four year olds. 578 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: Both of them are in that one fifty class. They 579 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: were nice to year and uh. Actually today is the 580 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: uh the way that typically what we do is we 581 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: hut from Monday to Saturday. Couldn't it just makes sense 582 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: for you know, for a week we do six minutes, 583 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: six day camps here. But you know, last year we 584 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: were looking at the calendar in a way, the calendar 585 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: was going to fall and this our first camp was 586 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: kind of gonna get robbed of some really good late 587 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: October days. Um. So what we did is we moved 588 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: we moved the camps back almost a half a week. 589 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: So actually our first camp doesn't start till tomorrow morning. 590 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: As far as far as our rut camps, just just 591 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, just the way the moon is gonna you know, 592 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: the moons. You know, it's falling in the evenings right now, 593 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: and you know, it just got a lot of deer 594 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: up on their feet. And you know, we got lucky 595 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: with this cold front come through, and you know, temperatures 596 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: dropped thirty some of degrees in the last few days. 597 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: So this first camp should be rocking a roll and 598 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: then big deer up on their feet and they're checking. Yeah, yeah, 599 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: I would, I would say, So that's that's what I've 600 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: been looking forward to as well up here in Michigan. Um, 601 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: can you tell me a little bit about your elaborate 602 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: a little bit on what you said there about the moon? 603 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: Why do you think that the moon has lined up 604 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: pretty good for us in these coming days? Yeah, especially 605 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: especially in the evenings. I mean granted, you know, you know, 606 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: with the cooler temperatures, you know in the morning, some 607 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: deer are gonna be up on our feet. But um, 608 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys, you know, they're paying 609 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: attention to that moon, and you know, and it's getting 610 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: pretty popular now with you know, with different TV shows 611 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: and social media and stuff, just paddling away at the moon. 612 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: And I'll try to explain to guys like you know, 613 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: if you're out out in the evening and then you're 614 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: mowing your yard or you're out doing short or whatever, 615 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: and evening and you look up and you see the 616 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: moon is setting, is on the way down right, you know, 617 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: as the sun sets and you look up and you 618 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: see the moon, you know it's waxing. It's you know 619 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: it's coming to pull and you can see that moon. 620 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's falling. When deer typically are feeding 621 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: in the evenings, it's it's a pretty good time to 622 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: be out in you know, it's just when the moon's 623 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: overhead and you can see it in the evening, when 624 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: you know, when that sun goes down, you should be 625 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: in the tree stand, especially right now. You know we've 626 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you get a cold front 627 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: like we've had. Like I said, the other day it 628 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: was seventy nine degrees and today it's forty nine degrees 629 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: and you got you know that and then go on 630 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: side with the falling moons. I mean, that doesn't get 631 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: any better than that. Late October, October October, you better 632 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: be in a tree stand. Yeah, So what kind of 633 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: setups are you gonna have your hunters on with these conditions, 634 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: are you are you already putting them in kind of 635 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: your typical rut sets or are you still hunting you know, 636 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: more of those patterns that maybe you're still that these 637 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: bucks are still holding onto a little bit pre rut. Yeah. Yeah, basically, 638 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: what what I'll start doing, you know, because I'll have 639 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think we've got five guys going out 640 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: in the morning. And what we'll do probably in the 641 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: morning is I mean, we're not just gonna smash in 642 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: there deep in Noeptember. We're just gonna kind of sit 643 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: back and just kind of take the temperature and see 644 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: see how many bucks are underfeet in the morning, and 645 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, and and see what happens. Maybe get someone 646 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: some scrape lines or you know, in between some food plots. 647 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: You know, for these bucks, this is the time or 648 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: hear they're gonna start checking for that first dough to 649 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: pop um. But you know, I really like the evenings, uh, 650 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: the last few days of October Um. They've just been 651 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, you know, periodically they've just been better for us, 652 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, throughout the years, the Latin and the evenings 653 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: in October Um and it's just a testament to the 654 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: food plots. Um. You know, we just congregate them dos 655 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: and these little kill plots and a lot of guys 656 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: are you know, they they're playing these kill plots all 657 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: over the country. Now you know, just a little half 658 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: the three cool acred plots that just congregate the dough 659 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: before they end up out the big destination field. It 660 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: and that's you know, we've gotten really good at you know, 661 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: put parts in these plots in the right spot. Were 662 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: just kind of feeding these doves forward and these bucks 663 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: know that. You know, these doughs are gonna be feeding 664 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: in the little green plots before they head out into 665 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: the grain field. So and that's that's typically what what 666 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: we'll do this time of years late you know, late 667 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: October one part in November as well, you know, hunt 668 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: these doughs, um, not so much hunting the bucks on 669 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: their late summer patterns, you know, kind of early fall patterns. UM. 670 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: And we're gonna start keying in on some doughs and 671 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: some dope betting areas and uh, being in the food 672 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: plots that the doves like to be in, because these 673 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: bucks are gonna start checking them pretty hard. Now do 674 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: you do you have speaking on the food plots. I know, 675 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: a lot of guys um this year, at least from 676 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: what I've heard and seeing a little bit myself, there's 677 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: been a tremendous mass crop across a lot of the country, 678 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: especially with white oaks um and people have been seeing 679 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: the deer hitting those so hard that they're not getting 680 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: the usual activity they might on their food plots. Is 681 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: that something you've seen at all or or anticipated all happening. Sure? 682 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: And uh, you know some farms that you know that 683 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: we do have, you know, heavy acorn crop on um dear. 684 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, they obviously are not getting to the green 685 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: plots or the destination plot until after dark. You know, 686 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: they're just stays up in there on them nuts. And 687 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: you know they just you know, they walk ten feet 688 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: and they got a full belly. They got to lay 689 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: down and threw their cut. You know, sometimes if you 690 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: get a wood, it's just that full, it's like walking 691 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: on marvels. But uh, and you gotta you know, you 692 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: take that into account to I mean, if you're going 693 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: into a wood that uh, the deer aren't gonna get 694 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: to you and get to you in time, then you 695 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: might have to present this a little bit further and 696 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: and try and get into in in there where you 697 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: need to be. But uh, yeah, I know I hate heavy, 698 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: heavy acorn years because it just spreads the deer out 699 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: so far and they're all over the place. But yeah, 700 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's something that you know, every 701 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: every couple of years, you get it. You gotta deal 702 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: with it. But you know, luckily we've got a few 703 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: farms but don't have an acorn tree autom you know, 704 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: so that helps. Yeah, speaking of UM having to get 705 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: in there a little ways or getting people in and 706 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: off of these food plots and stuff, you mentioned that 707 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: usually you're you're taking in your hunters um, And this 708 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: is one of the things I'm always curious about because 709 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: I've started, um getting a pick up sometimes when I'm 710 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: hunting on an edge of the field. I've I've convinced 711 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: my wife somehow to come out and drive out and 712 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: pick me up in an a t V. Or I've 713 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 1: kind of convinced myself that when I checked my trial 714 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: cameras in the middle of the day, it's safer to 715 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: do with my a TV than just walking in there. 716 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: Have you found the same kind of thing. Do you 717 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: feel like we're not making as big as an impact 718 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: when you're using a vehicle, and how much can you 719 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: get away with when you're doing that. Absolutely, I will 720 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: not I will not check a camera or set a 721 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 1: camera unless I can drive to it on a foreweather 722 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: or you know, or a side by side. Um. You know, 723 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: I'm just a freak about putting my feet on deer dirt. Um. 724 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: And it's just something I don't know if it's because 725 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: I grew up hunting, you know, hunting some high pressure 726 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: deer and I wasn't able to get away with anything 727 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: those deer. So now I'm just kind of you know, 728 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: it's just kind of stuck with me as you know, 729 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: growing up and matured into you know, chasing big mature deer. Um. 730 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: But I think I think you can get away with 731 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot, especially you know, as long as they can 732 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: hear the truck coming. You know, they just think it's 733 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: a piece of farm equipment. You know, they've been around, 734 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: it's their whole life. And the same with a foreweather 735 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: or a tractor or whatever. Um. You know, they'll let 736 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: you drive right by, but if you stop, you know, 737 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,880 Speaker 1: if you see it there and you stopped in that 738 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: vehicle or the forward or whatever. Then don't get up 739 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,240 Speaker 1: and leave. But as long as you keep the wheels moving, 740 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: you're not gonna bother them one bit. And and and 741 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: that's what we do with outfit and um if Scott 742 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: like said in the evening, if guys are on the field, 743 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: I just I literally drive them right to the tree. 744 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll take the forewhead, I'll drive them right 745 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: to the base of the tree. They step off the 746 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: foreward and they put the foot on the step and 747 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: they climb up in the stands, so they're not walking 748 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: around and you know and disturbing any of the deer girt. 749 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about a a big mature 750 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: dough that you know, tracks my hunter to the tree 751 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: and now his hunt's ruling, because that f it's like 752 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: it's gun picked them out. So do you how many 753 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: times this is something like I'm always internally debating with myself. 754 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: So so I tell myself that, yes, getting picked up 755 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,880 Speaker 1: from the tree after an evening hunt is going to 756 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: have a lower impact on these deer. But is it 757 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: no impact or you know, after three or four times 758 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: of that happening, do they start feeling negative in some 759 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: way changing their behavior? Do you think there's any kind 760 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: of risk with them changing their behavior when you're doing 761 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: that pickup? Or could you could I keep on hunting 762 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: and get picked up, you know, three or four or five, six, 763 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: seven times, and and not see these deer changes their patterns, 764 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: assuming everything else is right, assuming I'm not you know, 765 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,319 Speaker 1: having these deer win to me, assuming I'm not doing 766 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: crazy stuff. Sure, and I I typically, um, I'm a 767 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm a two or three set guy. I mean even 768 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: you know, even though we're outsitting, you know, I've got 769 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: three sets. You know, I typically don't sit a set 770 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: more than two or three times, you know, even throughout 771 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: the whole year. Um, you know, so I you know 772 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I might bump the deer one time, and 773 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not gonna bump them again the next night. Um, 774 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: you know, I just I just think they're bumping them 775 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,759 Speaker 1: too many times, especially if you're gonna do a back 776 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: to back on consecutive evenings, so that you're really, you know, 777 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: your your chances of getting that big deer out there 778 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: in the daylight or slim to none. Um, you know, 779 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: unless he's with a hot dog or something that you 780 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: know he's gonna go wherever she goes. But I think 781 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: the later in the year you get obviously, um, the 782 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: the more you're gonna bump them, the less you're gonna 783 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: be able to get away with, especially late season if 784 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: you you know, I stay, say, if you've got two 785 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: or three acres of standing corn or beans or something 786 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: that you left and you have somebody come in there 787 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 1: with a you know, with a piece of equipment or 788 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: an a TV or forward or whatever and bumped the 789 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: deer off it. Um, I think you know, you're probably 790 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do that maybe two or three 791 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: times throughout the late season. Um. So I think the bet, 792 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: your best bet is to try and try and get 793 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: to a spot um where the deer kind of feeding 794 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: feeding past you. And you know, I don't like, you know, personally, 795 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't like sitting on the final destination feed field 796 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: where the deer are gonna be parked there for the 797 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: night and they're gonna go lay over in the fence 798 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: row and they're gonna chew the cut and they're gonna 799 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: get up the pizza more. UM, I don't I don't 800 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: like parking my guys in those spots. If I'm gonna 801 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: be going in and out of those fields a lot. 802 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: So UM, I get you know, I guess every farm 803 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: is different, you know, and how it's laid out. You know, 804 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: some people are well, that's the only way I can 805 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: go into the property is is to go through this 806 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: field to get to where I gotta hunt them. And uh, 807 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: you know some people that you know, that's just what 808 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,919 Speaker 1: you gotta do. Um, But I would I would say 809 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: with those guys that are there, maybe not fit complete 810 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: where it's completely dark in the evening and then when 811 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: you get out, you got all this deer between you 812 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: and your vehicle. Maybe if nothing's coming or you know, 813 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I've got like five minutes left 814 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen anything. But take advantage of that 815 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: five minutes and slip out as quiet as you can't 816 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: with no headlight and just book it to the truck 817 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: and live to fight another day. Yeah, yeah, definitely. What 818 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: about I don't know anything any other tricks you have 819 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: for getting good entry or exit, because I think that 820 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure this is something that's important to you. Give 821 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: them what we've been talking about already. Absolutely anything else 822 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: that we're thinking about doing on that front. I'm big. 823 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: I'm big on ditches. I love ditches, you know, because 824 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: all the ditches typically are going to get come out 825 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: to a road somewhere. Um, and a lot of my 826 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: guys are out with me, you know, they know they're 827 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,919 Speaker 1: gonna wear rubber boots because they're gonna have them walking 828 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: in water, and you know, and the stand all it 829 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,840 Speaker 1: might only be, you know, and the lazy way to 830 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 1: get to the stands only seventy five yards, but my 831 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: guys might have to walk two hundred yards to get 832 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: to the tree stand. Because they're walking, they're walking down 833 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: the ditch, you know, and typically unless the deers drinking 834 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: out of the ditch, they're not gonna spend a whole 835 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: lot of time in it as far as you know, 836 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,680 Speaker 1: looking for the scent, you know, smelling the scent and stuff. 837 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: You know. That's why I'm big. And I'm not walking 838 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: on deer dirt. So like in the mornings and a 839 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of my stuff, our access and stuff, guys are 840 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: walking in the ditches. I'm not walking on what I 841 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,240 Speaker 1: call deer dirt. You know, I'm not walking on the leaves. 842 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm not disturbing the ground. Um, we're not rubbing up 843 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: against anything that a deer might smell um, we're walking 844 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 1: in the ditches. And a lot of my sands are 845 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: in spots that, uh, you know, they're relatively close to ditches, 846 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: whether it be a ditch funnel or just up up 847 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: the bank off the ditch, you know, and just just 848 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: areas where deer might not get behind this and a 849 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: deer is not gonna cut our track. Yeah. So, like 850 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,799 Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'm big. I'm big on ditches as 851 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: far getting in and out of farms, and a lot 852 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: of people are. You know, it's it's just common sense, 853 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, to me, you know, it's just it's just 854 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,320 Speaker 1: something that you should do. If if you surprise the 855 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: ditch to get in and out of your properties, you 856 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: need to do it. Yeah. Do you ever have to 857 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: go in there and like clear them out with the 858 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: chainsaw or something or these things. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's 859 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: a it's a once a year process where you know, 860 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: once you once you get the initial it's open and clear. 861 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: You know, when you get the falling down trees and 862 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: the log jams and stuff. Once you get all those 863 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,280 Speaker 1: initially open, then the next year it's just a breeze. 864 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, you just walk through it. And you get 865 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, the little things are in the way, and 866 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: you make sure you can still see your taxes that 867 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,839 Speaker 1: way you can get in and now there. And you know, 868 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: just like I said that, you know, the first year, 869 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be a pain in the butt. 870 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna probably have to have a chainsaw 871 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: to cut some some root balls up or you know, 872 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: or just washouts and you know, big log jams. Um. 873 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: But what you know, it's gonna be worth it, you know, 874 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 1: in the long run to go through it and do 875 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: that work for sure. So speaking of things like ditches, um, 876 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: terrain features, are are you using any features, you know, 877 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,120 Speaker 1: any type of terrain or topography feature to actually help 878 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: you get these guys on deer? You know, choosing stand locations. 879 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're using it to get into out 880 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: of hunts. But are you also finding ways of these 881 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: things funnel deer movement? All sure? Absolutely? Um. You know 882 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: here where we're at here in Logan County where the 883 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: majority of our properties are, Um, we've got we've got 884 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of terraine feature here. You know, we 885 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: look a lot like southern Iowa really um. And you know, 886 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,759 Speaker 1: and I used. You know, if I get in the 887 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: timber um, I use you know, just narrow narrows points 888 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: on ridges. I'm not so much hunting, you know, the 889 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: wide open flat. I'm gonna hunt the narrowest part of that, 890 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: you know, that ridge, so you know that way, if 891 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, the ridge itself is kind of funneling the 892 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 1: deer down to you know, kind of an hour glass shape. Um, 893 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: and ditch funnels, you know, for you know, you know 894 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say ditch, all right, I think, 895 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard a couple of different things, but 896 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 1: I've heard some people you know, yeah, at ahead of 897 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: a ditch, yeah, because it's kind of going uphill and 898 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: it's basically just a deep wash out and you know, 899 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: in the in the side of the woods and it 900 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: goes up and once it gets to the top of 901 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: the hill, it stops and it's just flat right there. 902 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: And I utilize those a lot. I mean, I'm they're like, say, 903 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: back to walking the ditch all the way up in 904 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: there with the wind in your face, and you just 905 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: pop up and as soon as you get to the 906 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: flat spot, you hope there's a really good tree there, 907 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: because it's a you know, because that's that's what I 908 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: call it ditch funnel, because it just makes a narrow 909 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: point in the terrain where you know where the deer 910 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: gonna come around that and they just you know, naturally 911 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: come around that flat spot on the hill and in 912 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: the evenings. You know, I've noticed too on some of 913 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: our some of our farms there, Um, we might have 914 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 1: a sixty seventy acre field and you're like, man, you're 915 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 1: to pop out anywhere. It seems like a lot of 916 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,720 Speaker 1: our bigger deer like to pop out on the highest 917 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,560 Speaker 1: spot in that field so they can they can see 918 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,600 Speaker 1: the whole field as soon as they step out into it. 919 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna pop out, you know, even 920 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I've see I've sat back in the 921 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: glass and and I'm like, the wind is not in 922 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: this deer's favor for him to pop out in the 923 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: middle of this field. But they do it anyway. I 924 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: don't know, if they just let their guard down a 925 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: little bit because they want to be able to visually 926 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: see the whole field when they step out into it 927 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: so they know which way to go, or you know, 928 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: if they want to see if they're just looking for 929 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: dose or what But I know a few of our 930 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: farms where you know, it's just just stick a fork 931 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: in them, they're gonna step out on that high spot 932 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: every single year. Interesting speaking of that kind of question, 933 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, I find myself in a similar situation sometimes 934 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: where you're trying to anticipate, you know, I think a 935 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: buck is going to come out in this general region. 936 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: But then you start wondering, Okay, how do you find 937 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,400 Speaker 1: the spot within the spot? Um? Sure? What about how 938 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,800 Speaker 1: a dear may or may not use wind to choose 939 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: where it's headed or where it beds? Is that something 940 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: you pay attention to and have kind of kind of 941 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 1: come to some conclusions? Sure? Absolutely? I mean especially you know, 942 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: when you know, hunting for myself, if I'm hunting, trying 943 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: to hunt a particular dear, um there, Uh, you know, 944 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,600 Speaker 1: I try to put myself Okay, if I'm a deer 945 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: and you know, I know I'm being hunted, how am 946 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: I gonna? How am I gonna go about my day 947 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: when my nose is my number one sense? So how 948 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: am I? You know? And I'm not just gonna barge 949 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,399 Speaker 1: right into my bedroom with the wind at my back. 950 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna circle my bedroom. I'm 951 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: gonna jok my bedroom, get down wind and then I'm 952 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: gonna send check it and then I'll come in there 953 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: and I'll bed down. Uh, same thing with it. You know. 954 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: As far as you know going to a food source, UM, 955 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come out on the up wind side of that, 956 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, the down wind side of that food source, Um, 957 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: to the best of my ability. Um, whether you know, 958 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: terrain wise or whatever. And you know, I'm not gonna 959 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: pop out. You know, I'm gonna pop out with that 960 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,279 Speaker 1: winds in my face. I can send check which way 961 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm walking, you know. As far as to get to 962 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: that food and uh, you know, I'm gonna smell anything 963 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: any it's kind of danger or anything that's in that, 964 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: you know, before I get to that food source, so 965 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,359 Speaker 1: I don't get shot. You know. To me, that's that's 966 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking. I'm a big deer and you know, 967 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: and I think that helps me. Um, you know, as 968 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: far as trying to figure out how big deer is 969 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: going you know, gonna gonna work a food source, how 970 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna smell you know, he's gonna scent check some 971 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 1: those and never even have to step out into food source. Um. 972 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a lot of the a lot of 973 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: really good sense or maybe forty fifty yards just just 974 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: in the timber um where the deer has got he 975 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: sent checking this, you know, a corn field or a 976 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: bean field or a food plot. He never even really 977 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,279 Speaker 1: has to step out in it because you know, he 978 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: just sent checking it and he's just moving along to 979 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,960 Speaker 1: the next one. And you know, if I've had a 980 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: lot of luck, you know, shooting some big deer, you know, 981 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: just off of food sources that way with some of 982 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: my clients. Mhm. That's always the tough thing though, I 983 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,880 Speaker 1: feel like, is you're setting up when you know the 984 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: deer is trying to move through their using the wind 985 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,799 Speaker 1: to his advantage. So somehow you need to be able 986 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: to get there but maintain some ability to be just 987 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,800 Speaker 1: outside of his handage. Right, It's like cutting that corner 988 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,439 Speaker 1: that seems to be That's yeah, that's that's the hard 989 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: part is find you know, getting your wind to blow 990 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 1: in the spot where it's not not educating any deer 991 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,160 Speaker 1: and it's it's good for him and it's good for you. 992 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,799 Speaker 1: That's uh, that's that's what you know. I think that's 993 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,880 Speaker 1: separates the men from the boys when it comes to 994 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: killing big deer, being able to being able to find 995 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: that right tree, you know, the killing tree. Yeah. How 996 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: much do you worry about send control? Do you are? You? 997 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,839 Speaker 1: Are you one of the send control you know? Uh? 998 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,280 Speaker 1: Are you religious about send control? Or are you religious 999 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,479 Speaker 1: about just always playing the wind and you you don't 1000 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 1: worry about the other stuff as much? Or both? I'm both. 1001 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm I'm both on that. I'm I'm a scent freak, honest, 1002 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,600 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with marked. I have not taken what 1003 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,120 Speaker 1: I call a stinky shower, and probably ten years I 1004 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: have old s Huh, no negative on the old spice. 1005 00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,760 Speaker 1: I have used. Uh, I've used the the sent away. 1006 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,120 Speaker 1: So for the last ten years, three d six or 1007 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: five days a year, my wife's steving on board. Yeah, 1008 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: we uh all or even in my daily daily clothes, Uh, 1009 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: even the kids. I mean we just washed it all together. 1010 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: We just were We used the free and clear longer detergent. 1011 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,520 Speaker 1: There's no ties or you know, none of the none 1012 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: of the stinky stuff goes on none of our clothes, 1013 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: none of our towels. Um and just just kind of 1014 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 1: just what we've done for the last ten years probably 1015 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 1: um and I say ten years, it may may be 1016 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,360 Speaker 1: longer now, but uh yeah, I'm I'm, I'm a scent freak. 1017 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: And you know I do I do anything, uh you know, 1018 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: with all the technology and stuff, with all the ozone 1019 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,840 Speaker 1: machines and the scent crusher and uh you know, I 1020 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: if if if you have the financial means to use 1021 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: that stuff and to and to buy that stuff, you 1022 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: know I would. I've got a scant crusher bag. Um. 1023 00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: Anytime I know the woods with my wife and my 1024 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,560 Speaker 1: kids or myself, you know, I I sent crushed all 1025 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: my stuff for for thirty minutes before I go, and 1026 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, and I'm I'm I'm a freak about it, 1027 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: and I will not you know, even even when it 1028 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: comes to checking cameras. Um, Um, you know, I checked 1029 00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,840 Speaker 1: the wind before I go check the camera. If the 1030 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,880 Speaker 1: wind is not good, then I just don't check that camera. 1031 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: Even on the ten thousand natures that we have. You know, 1032 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 1: I've you know, I've got some cameras that I haven't 1033 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,040 Speaker 1: been able to check for a while now because the 1034 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: wind's not right. So I'm not gonna go. I'm just 1035 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: just a cent freak about everything when it comes with 1036 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,879 Speaker 1: the wind, because that's how they dear they survived. That's 1037 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: the number one cent to the wind. If you if 1038 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: you tip them off or give them a reason to 1039 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: smell anymore than they have to, you're in trouble. All right, Well, 1040 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,839 Speaker 1: good stuff here from Tim so far. But let's take 1041 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,320 Speaker 1: a moment here to hear from our partners at White 1042 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: Tail Properties and then we'll get right back to this 1043 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: conversation with Tim Woods. This week with white Tail Properties, 1044 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: we are joined by Billy O'Connor, a land specialist out 1045 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: of Kansas, and Billy is going to be telling us 1046 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:06,560 Speaker 1: about what to consider when buying a property with a friend. Um, 1047 00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, buying a property the friend is a great idea. 1048 00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, it helps you get more land for less 1049 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,319 Speaker 1: and it also helps with the cost and investment of 1050 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: time that kind of need for improvements. Plus it's just 1051 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: fun to kind of share in the experience of owning 1052 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: land with someone who is passionate about the outdoors as 1053 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: you are. But um, you do need the process a 1054 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: little bit to make sure that you kind of cover 1055 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: all scenarios kind of going down the road when buying 1056 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,800 Speaker 1: with a friend, you first want to talk through ideally 1057 00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: what each partner wants out of the experience. You know, 1058 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: is this for an investment. Is it to raise mature 1059 00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: whitetail by let him get to a certain age class. 1060 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: Is it a place you want to bring friends and 1061 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: family to hunt as well? Assuming you both want to 1062 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: manage for deer. Usually friends have the same goal and 1063 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,560 Speaker 1: approach to management, but often one person will want to 1064 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: hunt other things such as quail and small game, and 1065 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,640 Speaker 1: the other partner may not necessarily want to do that, 1066 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: So you kind of want to talk all that through. UM. 1067 00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: If you are not a state buyer, you do need 1068 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: keep in mind that the state of Kansas, you're allowed 1069 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: want to land an attack per eighty acres, So if 1070 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,239 Speaker 1: you both want land under tags, you need to make 1071 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,879 Speaker 1: sure the properties of hundred six acres or more. I'd 1072 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: suggest you by the property under an LLC UM. That way, 1073 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: everything could kind of be explained in the by laws. 1074 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: In the event that something does come down the road 1075 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: where you guys do need to split it or sell it, 1076 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, things such as a divorce, or someone has 1077 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: more kids than they anticipated and or a death in 1078 00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,480 Speaker 1: the family and someone needs to sell um, those type 1079 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: of things. You can kind of go over and get 1080 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: that out of the way from the get go. If 1081 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,280 Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more, and you see the properties 1082 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,520 Speaker 1: that Billy currently has listed for sale, visit white tail 1083 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,080 Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash O'Connor that's O C O N 1084 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 1: N O R. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I think 1085 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: I do. I do many of the same things you're 1086 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: mentioning there. Um, so what about this situation. This is 1087 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: one of those scenarios I'm always I always struggle with, 1088 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: and I just had it last night. Actually, Um, you 1089 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,760 Speaker 1: go in, you get set up, things are looking great. 1090 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: You get towards the end of the evening, let's say, though, 1091 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,520 Speaker 1: and your wind shifts in some way or it swirls 1092 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,040 Speaker 1: in a bit, and you realize, oh crap, Now not 1093 00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: everything is ruined, but now I do know that this 1094 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: section that I really wish my wind wasn't gonna be 1095 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,800 Speaker 1: blown into it's now blown in there. Do you say, well, 1096 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,279 Speaker 1: it is what it is, hopefully something will come out 1097 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: from the other two thirds, or do you bail immediately 1098 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,800 Speaker 1: regardless of the fact that it's the last hour or whatever. 1099 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 1: Me me personally, UM, I would bail. Um. I mean, 1100 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: that's that's just how I am. But you know I 1101 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: can look at it as as a as a guy 1102 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: that you know, Hey, you know, I'm I worked six 1103 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 1: days a week. You know, my only time I get 1104 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: the hunt it's on Sundays. If that was my only 1105 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 1: time that I got the hunt, I would stay. Yeah, um, 1106 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, and and just hope for the best. But 1107 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: me personally, um, you know, granted I've been blessed that 1108 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, I don't have to punch a time clocks. Um, 1109 00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,839 Speaker 1: you know I can if if I have a good 1110 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: evening and I don't have hunters in camp, I can 1111 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 1: go hot. Um. But me personally, I would bail. I would, 1112 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,640 Speaker 1: you know, And I actually did. I had a guy 1113 00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,960 Speaker 1: come in early. Um, he come in a day early 1114 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: because he's got to leave a day early. And he 1115 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,080 Speaker 1: was sitting last night and when I took him in there, 1116 00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: the wind was west southwest, and it was predicted for 1117 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,920 Speaker 1: the hour by hour it was gonna go west southwest 1118 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,120 Speaker 1: and it was gonna go to west. And about the 1119 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,400 Speaker 1: last forty five minutes he texted me. He said to Tim, 1120 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,759 Speaker 1: it's going it's like dead south does does busting me? 1121 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,720 Speaker 1: I texted him back, I said, as anything in the field. 1122 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,239 Speaker 1: He said no, I said, get down and walked to 1123 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 1: the walk to where I dropped you off. Granted I 1124 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to foot traffic, but he was forty five 1125 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: minutes away, and I didn't want to take the chance. 1126 00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: And that next forty five minutes of our wind blowing 1127 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 1: right down through the middle of this where all the 1128 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,759 Speaker 1: deer we're gonna be popping out. So you know, it's 1129 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of a give and take. I just told him, 1130 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 1: I said, just get down and walk fifty yards off 1131 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,360 Speaker 1: the edge of the field, because the whole edge of 1132 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: the field is just floated with scrapes. I said, walk 1133 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: fifty yards off the edge of the timber, and walked away. 1134 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: I dropped you off. Um, you know, And and and 1135 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,279 Speaker 1: he did, you know, and he's like he's like double 1136 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,759 Speaker 1: a good move, you know, because the wind was just 1137 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: wrong and there's no sense, you know, Like I said, 1138 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 1: for me, personally, I just cannot sit in a tree 1139 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: stand with the wind being wrong, just just just just 1140 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: like it's like kissing your sister, you know what I mean, 1141 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,640 Speaker 1: It's not right. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I hear you, 1142 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,440 Speaker 1: speaking of of your of your client and that example, 1143 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, he he heard what he had to say 1144 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 1: or the text and he had it right out. I'm curious. 1145 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,240 Speaker 1: You had a lot of different hunters coming through the years. 1146 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 1: Is there anything you've found that separates the people that 1147 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: end up filling a tag versus those that don't. Um, 1148 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you see any consistencies? And I 1149 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 1: don't realize that this is this is a unique because 1150 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm asking specifically, but I do. I do, And it's 1151 00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:00,080 Speaker 1: it's the guy that, uh that rolls into camp and 1152 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: and wants to have a good time and he doesn't 1153 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: care where you put him. If I told the guy, hey, 1154 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you over here Walmart and I'm gonna 1155 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: put you in a telephone pole and Walmart parking lot 1156 00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,839 Speaker 1: and if he if he would be okay with that. 1157 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,399 Speaker 1: Those are the guys that kill, honest the fact, Mark, 1158 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,720 Speaker 1: I mean interesting, The guys that come in here and 1159 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: they you know, oh man, I gotta kill on this 1160 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,200 Speaker 1: and that those are the ones that have a terrible week. 1161 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,960 Speaker 1: It's the guys that come in here and have a 1162 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,600 Speaker 1: great attitude about it. They're here, you know, they pay 1163 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: for their hunt. You know, they're just they're just happy 1164 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,960 Speaker 1: to be here. They don't have to be at work. 1165 00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,240 Speaker 1: They're not you know, they're not at the office or 1166 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is that they do on a daily basis. 1167 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: They're just here to have a good time for six days. 1168 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: And those are the guys that typically kill a good deer. 1169 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 1: So do you think that's just because that attitude then 1170 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,200 Speaker 1: translates into the field in some way. So the guy 1171 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 1: that's happy to be there is optimistic and is paying 1172 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: attention the whole time he's out there in the woods 1173 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 1: because he's just excited about it, and then that just 1174 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,480 Speaker 1: results in him being a little bit more ready for 1175 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: the opportunity, versus maybe the guy who's stressing out too 1176 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: much and he gets negative, and then he's out in 1177 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,919 Speaker 1: the tree and he's convinced himself, Oh, it's not gonna happen. 1178 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, And then it's a self fulfilling prophecy. 1179 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah that, and you know, and the and the guys 1180 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: that are just happy to be here, You can put 1181 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,600 Speaker 1: them in a tree anywhere and they will sit daylight 1182 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,400 Speaker 1: the dark. The guys that have to kill, they'll they'll 1183 00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,919 Speaker 1: text you every half hour, every forty five minutes. What's 1184 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: everybody seeing? What are the deer doing? Are they moving? 1185 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,800 Speaker 1: Do you think I should sit here? What time you 1186 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,200 Speaker 1: think should I move? What's for lunch? Command? What's your thoughts? 1187 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: You know? Those are the texts that I get throughout 1188 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,200 Speaker 1: the day, you know, communicate with my honors and the 1189 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,080 Speaker 1: guys that you don't hear from. You know, I'll check 1190 00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: in with some guys that I haven't heard from in 1191 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 1: a while, you know, it's been a few hours. Just 1192 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: make sure everything's good, you know, and I'll text him. 1193 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,160 Speaker 1: Have you've seen anything? Nope, I haven't seen nothing. You're good, Yep, 1194 00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm good? See it dark. Those are the guys that kill, 1195 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, but the guy you know, like I said, 1196 00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,040 Speaker 1: the guy that you know, what do you see? Oh? 1197 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: I had a you know, the bucks are chasing all 1198 00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: over the place. I haven't you know, I haven't had 1199 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: a shot opportunity. Why won't they stop and give me 1200 00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: a shot? I don't understand. You know. Those are the 1201 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: guys that don't kill. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So 1202 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,040 Speaker 1: and like I said, they just they just won't. You know. 1203 00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 1: You just gotta trust trust the outfit ter, you know, 1204 00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,920 Speaker 1: and you're paying them for you know, for them to 1205 00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,400 Speaker 1: do a job. And you know, if they tell you 1206 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 1: you need to sit in that stand, sit in that stand. Yeah, 1207 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,400 Speaker 1: let them do the job, right, Yeah, let him do 1208 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: the job. Don't don't guide the guys. Yeah, So let's 1209 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: flip that question then to the other side. So you 1210 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: I know, you know, you hang out with guys like 1211 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: Ben Rising and a lot of the people Joel Snow, 1212 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of other folks that are very successful, 1213 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,920 Speaker 1: mature buck hunters just doing it themselves. What do you 1214 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: see as the consistent factors that link those types of 1215 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: people the very best d I y hunters that you know, 1216 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: they live in the areas where they are big deer. Yeah. Up, 1217 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,440 Speaker 1: they live in the areas, you know, because they're you know, 1218 01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: they're not everywhere, but and you know, and that's you know, 1219 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: I I moved here from northeast Ohio. I was born 1220 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 1: and raised in the little towns called West Parmington, and uh, 1221 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, growing up we had some good deer and 1222 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,480 Speaker 1: then it just become so populated and everybody and their 1223 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,120 Speaker 1: brother hunted, which is good for the sport, but our 1224 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: age structure, you know, I went to put our deer 1225 01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 1: numbers were you know, they were gone because there were 1226 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: just too many of us out there. You know, we 1227 01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: were just you know, harvesting too many deer. So I 1228 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: ended up moving down here, and uh, you know, and 1229 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,200 Speaker 1: everything that I learned from up there, and I brought 1230 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: it down here. And you know, I started killing one 1231 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,840 Speaker 1: seventies you know where up home you're killing or one thirty. 1232 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,240 Speaker 1: You know that's a good deer. But you know, I said, 1233 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,479 Speaker 1: they moved out here to where there actually are big deer. 1234 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I started killing big deer. But even if you don't 1235 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you can't kill it. Very true, 1236 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 1: which which is the root of all my problems here 1237 01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,640 Speaker 1: in Michigan. I think, um, but I'll sell you a 1238 01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:08,959 Speaker 1: farm down here, far away. Don't tempt me because I'm 1239 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: constantly thinking about it. I'm constantly thinking about it. Um. 1240 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,800 Speaker 1: But even where you're at, or even where Ben's at, 1241 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 1: there's guys that aren't killing bucks. They're going out there 1242 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,960 Speaker 1: every year and they shoot a hundred ten inch buck 1243 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 1: if they're lucky. There's some people that just aren't able 1244 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,000 Speaker 1: to close the deal on these big, mature bucks, even 1245 01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: if they are out there. What what makes you or 1246 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Ben different? We pay pay attention to the details. Um, 1247 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: and you know, don't skip it. Don't skip any detail, 1248 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, cross crush your teas and dutch your eyes. Um. 1249 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,240 Speaker 1: And when you do get a chance of a big deer, 1250 01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,680 Speaker 1: you got to capitalize on it because you might not 1251 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: get another one for the rest of the year. Um. 1252 01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,640 Speaker 1: You know. As far as what makes it different, I 1253 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you know, I put my pants 1254 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,640 Speaker 1: on the same way everybody else, does you know? I don't, 1255 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't know. I haven't been 1256 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,680 Speaker 1: in the woods enough with somebody that doesn't know what 1257 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,840 Speaker 1: they're doing, you know, for I guess for them to say, 1258 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, well what you know, I would never think 1259 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: to do that so forth. UM, I don't know if 1260 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,680 Speaker 1: you know what sets us apart. Um, you know, I don't. 1261 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't really think I'm any different than anybody else. 1262 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: I just, you know, live in an area where there 1263 01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,840 Speaker 1: are big deer, and Ben lives in an area where 1264 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 1: they're big gear. Um. I think you've got access to 1265 01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: some good ground, as do I. Um, you know, and 1266 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: it's I really don't think I'm any different than anybody else. 1267 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,840 Speaker 1: Um I did. Maybe we just worked a little bit 1268 01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,720 Speaker 1: harder than than than the average guy. Yeah, and I 1269 01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 1: think there's something what you said there about that attention 1270 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,520 Speaker 1: to detail. That's always one of those things. But with 1271 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,080 Speaker 1: everybody I talked to, every one of these people we 1272 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: have in the podcast, that's that's very successful. That's definitely 1273 01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,360 Speaker 1: a comment trait. It's not not cutting corners. Paying tentioned 1274 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 1: to every little thing. Um, that's that is a core, 1275 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of core, consistent principle to almost every successful deer 1276 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: hunter I've talked to. So that's always interesting. Yeah, you 1277 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,400 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pay attention to details. You can't be lazy. Um, 1278 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,440 Speaker 1: you know, you get out of it what's put into it, 1279 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, and if you want to, if you want 1280 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 1: to halfway do something, you're gonna get halfway results. Yeah. Yeah, 1281 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:30,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about something that, um, every deer hunter 1282 01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,880 Speaker 1: right now is thinking about, which is the rut, which 1283 01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: is not gonna you know, we're knocking on the door 1284 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,680 Speaker 1: of the rut right now. Um, it's coming for a 1285 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,360 Speaker 1: lot of us. I think you know, if if you 1286 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:44,600 Speaker 1: read a magazine these days, or if you listen to 1287 01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a podcast, or if you watch TV shows, you have 1288 01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: been just hammered over the head with the basics of 1289 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,520 Speaker 1: how to hunt the rut, right, I mean, I think 1290 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:58,000 Speaker 1: most deer hunters know pinch points, funnels, um, you know, 1291 01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: be where the does are. Sure. Is there anything above 1292 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,040 Speaker 1: and beyond that though, that you think leads to hunt 1293 01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: success during the run? Or is there anything that you 1294 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: have your clients do or put your clients in, anything 1295 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: in some unique fashion during the rut that helps you 1296 01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:20,280 Speaker 1: guys be successful? Um? I think for us, it's just 1297 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,000 Speaker 1: paying attention to the deer um, you know, and and 1298 01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,560 Speaker 1: don't try not to overthink it too much, you know. 1299 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you can, you know, you can have the 1300 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: best situation in the best scenario, and somehows screw it up. 1301 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like for us, you know, we just you know, 1302 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,520 Speaker 1: we we scout a lot from the roads. We do. 1303 01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 1: We do a lot of glasses, um, we run a 1304 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,240 Speaker 1: lot of cameras and just pay attention to pay attention 1305 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080 Speaker 1: to the deer um, you know, and put the pieces 1306 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,040 Speaker 1: of the puzzle together. Okay, you got a picture of 1307 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,680 Speaker 1: this deer here, Um, is he bet in here or 1308 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,520 Speaker 1: is he you know in between? You know, what's he doing? Um? 1309 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Don't just say, oh, I got a picture of the 1310 01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 1: deer in the soup plot, I need to say this 1311 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000 Speaker 1: tup plot. You know, the picking you might have got 1312 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,720 Speaker 1: a nighttime picture. He's obviously on his feet somewhere. Um. 1313 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,320 Speaker 1: And then with the rut coming, the deer you can 1314 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: be on their feet in the day right now. Um. 1315 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,400 Speaker 1: You know this is this is the time of year 1316 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: that everybody's saving their vacation for you know, the next 1317 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, from now till Thanksgiving, a lot of guys 1318 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: are gonna be in the woods. Um. You just pay 1319 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,440 Speaker 1: attention to the deer. Um. If you're not seeing seeing 1320 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:26,440 Speaker 1: what you want to see, you know, maybe you're you're 1321 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:31,000 Speaker 1: obviously not where you need to be. Um. And every 1322 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 1: farm is different, um, you know. And and that's the 1323 01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: the unique thing about you know, land and farms and 1324 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,080 Speaker 1: stuff that you know, they're all a little bit different. 1325 01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,200 Speaker 1: They all got their little quarks about them that make 1326 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,040 Speaker 1: them good or make them bad. Um. I guess you 1327 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,880 Speaker 1: know nothing really, you know, we just don't don't overthink 1328 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,560 Speaker 1: it too much and play the wind number one thing. 1329 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Let the wind dictate where you're gonna be, because it's 1330 01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, if if you try and split the hair 1331 01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,800 Speaker 1: with the wind on you know, on the deer, You're 1332 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:01,360 Speaker 1: gonna lose of the time, um, and that's what us 1333 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 1: we don't we know. We're trying not to overthink it 1334 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:09,880 Speaker 1: too much and just play the wind. What what could you, um, 1335 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,120 Speaker 1: could you maybe elaborate for us a bit um on 1336 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: what kinds of spots you specifically are having people front 1337 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,600 Speaker 1: this time of year. So I know that wind is 1338 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,240 Speaker 1: going to dictate how you would pick a certain place. UM, 1339 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 1: but could you maybe lay out in detail maybe an 1340 01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,280 Speaker 1: example of the spot, Like right now, I'm going to 1341 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: try and be uh between bed and or feed in bed, 1342 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,160 Speaker 1: Like if I'm going in the morning, UM, I'm gonna 1343 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,760 Speaker 1: try and have an access to where I'm not walking 1344 01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,560 Speaker 1: through or I'm not entering where I want to hunt 1345 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: where by going through a destination feed field. So I 1346 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,720 Speaker 1: don't want to domino the tear back, I don't want 1347 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,040 Speaker 1: to shove the deier back to where I want to 1348 01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,920 Speaker 1: try and catch them in between bed defeat makes sense, 1349 01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,520 Speaker 1: or or feed to bed. So I'm gonna try and 1350 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: have the kind of a side door entrance or back 1351 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: door entrance where I can slip somebody in and and 1352 01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,640 Speaker 1: be between where the deer feeding and where they want 1353 01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,280 Speaker 1: to go to bed. You know, whether it be on 1354 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,520 Speaker 1: a you know, on an oak flat or an oak ridge, 1355 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,320 Speaker 1: or a funnel or you know, our ditch funnel where 1356 01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm catching the deer naturally traveling back, traveling back to 1357 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,000 Speaker 1: bed in the mornings. UM. And then and this time 1358 01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,880 Speaker 1: this time of year, like the next for the next 1359 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,040 Speaker 1: about the next week. In the evenings, UM. If I 1360 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,760 Speaker 1: don't you know, if I don't have guys that are 1361 01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,360 Speaker 1: wanting to sit all day, UM, I'll typically move them 1362 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,800 Speaker 1: to uh, to a funnel or somewhere close to uh 1363 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,400 Speaker 1: a food plot or you know, or you know, our 1364 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,240 Speaker 1: an oak flat or something in the evenings, catching the 1365 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,320 Speaker 1: deer before they head out into the big fields and 1366 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, and kind of gets scattered, you know, once 1367 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: a deer get once a big deer gets out in 1368 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,760 Speaker 1: a big field and then starts running those around, it's 1369 01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,080 Speaker 1: really tough to you know, to get it, to get 1370 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,280 Speaker 1: a deer locked in UM. You know, we will utilize 1371 01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,920 Speaker 1: decourse to um. You know this time of years that 1372 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:02,440 Speaker 1: you know they're just walking around pro um, so you know, 1373 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:06,080 Speaker 1: calling calling into deers. You know, it's fun to do, 1374 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,439 Speaker 1: especially to see him, you know, react to it and 1375 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,480 Speaker 1: uh you know, come in posture into decoy and you 1376 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: can stick one inside and when it comes to decoy, 1377 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:18,280 Speaker 1: it's pretty fun to do. Yeah, what's your typical decoys 1378 01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:23,280 Speaker 1: that up look like for us? Like you know, the uh, 1379 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,840 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of backed off of an area, you know, 1380 01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,000 Speaker 1: because where we're at here, a lot of our farms 1381 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,639 Speaker 1: we have high deer and now as we have lots 1382 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:34,040 Speaker 1: of dose and dose hate decoys. Um. So typically, you know, 1383 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,040 Speaker 1: a typical decoy set for us, um. You know, if 1384 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,920 Speaker 1: you can, you can imagine, say you've gotta you know, 1385 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,800 Speaker 1: perfectly square food plot and it's been a acre food 1386 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,120 Speaker 1: plot and a lot of the deer like to come out, 1387 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,240 Speaker 1: and it's you know, say the southwest corner of the 1388 01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:48,800 Speaker 1: food plot and they are a lot of the deer 1389 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,479 Speaker 1: come out right there. Well, I'm not gonna set up 1390 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,719 Speaker 1: right there with the decoy right on top of the does. 1391 01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna set up on the far northeast corner of 1392 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,840 Speaker 1: that food plot, you know, with the you know what 1393 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,240 Speaker 1: a west wind or a southwest wind or a south 1394 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,040 Speaker 1: wind that way, when the does come out, they can 1395 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,920 Speaker 1: see that decoy from a little ways away and they 1396 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,400 Speaker 1: have tolerated over there and uh, you know, and then 1397 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,360 Speaker 1: then if a buck comes out where the does come 1398 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,760 Speaker 1: out and he sees the decoy and you give him 1399 01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,080 Speaker 1: a grunt grunt a couple of times or a snort, 1400 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,719 Speaker 1: weeds and so forth, and he can't take it anymore. 1401 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,439 Speaker 1: He's gonna march across that field to you. Um, I 1402 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: guess that would be a typical decoy set for us, 1403 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,799 Speaker 1: which you know, it's kind of off of the deer movement, 1404 01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,200 Speaker 1: so speak in the deer sign. Um. It's just not 1405 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,080 Speaker 1: you know, really, it's not smashed in on the typical 1406 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,280 Speaker 1: inside corner. You know there where a lot of deal 1407 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: will pile out. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna move 1408 01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,599 Speaker 1: in here on that inside corner and put the decoy 1409 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,120 Speaker 1: twenty yards away that way. As soon as he does 1410 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:50,360 Speaker 1: pop out, they're freaking out and they're blowing and topping 1411 01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:51,840 Speaker 1: all over the place. I'm gonna give him a little 1412 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,800 Speaker 1: bit of room defeat. And that makes sense. Now do 1413 01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,880 Speaker 1: you do you usually like using a buck decoy or 1414 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:02,480 Speaker 1: a dough decoy or what situation would you use either or? Um, 1415 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,519 Speaker 1: this time of year, I would just use use a 1416 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: buck decoy, um, you know, because they're you know, even 1417 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 1: on on a lot of the cameras and stuff, and 1418 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,639 Speaker 1: I'm checking, you know, I've had a lot of cameras 1419 01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,559 Speaker 1: on scrapes and maybe get multiple bucks. In these pictures, 1420 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,720 Speaker 1: they're all postured up at each other, so they're uh, 1421 01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,040 Speaker 1: they're getting to the point where they're not uh, they're 1422 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,920 Speaker 1: not liking each other like they did a couple of 1423 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,320 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um. So you know, I'm I'd like using 1424 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,400 Speaker 1: a buck decoy. I've had a lot more success over 1425 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,320 Speaker 1: a buck decoy, um one. And I guess once you 1426 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:30,600 Speaker 1: get later in the year, um, you could you know, 1427 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,479 Speaker 1: you could do the dough decoy as well with the 1428 01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,599 Speaker 1: buck decoy. Um, and didn't even you know, even later 1429 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,720 Speaker 1: into November. You know you can just you know, just 1430 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,960 Speaker 1: use a dough by itself. Um. But I haven't, you know, personally, 1431 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,880 Speaker 1: as far as guiding, I've never had much luck with 1432 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: just the dough decoy. You know, I know a lot 1433 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,479 Speaker 1: of guys that have killed some deer over just a 1434 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: dough decoy. But um, you know, my hunt, my guys 1435 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,280 Speaker 1: have a lot more fun and we've had a lot 1436 01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:00,320 Speaker 1: more success with just the buck decoy. No, I feel 1437 01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,200 Speaker 1: like I've seen or heard the same thing too. Um, 1438 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,320 Speaker 1: now here's something that just popped into my mind. That's 1439 01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:10,519 Speaker 1: totally kind of a a from the rut. But you 1440 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,760 Speaker 1: mentioned your scrapes on your sorry, your trail cameras on 1441 01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,559 Speaker 1: your scrapes and what you're seeing there. I got me thinking, 1442 01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:21,519 Speaker 1: you must check so many trail cameras over ten thousand years. 1443 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,439 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine how many cameras you run, Um, how 1444 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: much you see? So I got two questions. For number one, 1445 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to understand, Um, you know how you're using 1446 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,519 Speaker 1: these cameras, you know it is. Is it just to 1447 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,400 Speaker 1: get inventory or is it actually helping you hunt in 1448 01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,800 Speaker 1: some way? I'd love to understand that. I guess an 1449 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,160 Speaker 1: answer me that, and then I'll throw my apart too. Actually, 1450 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 1: I guess yeah. And you know this time of year, um, 1451 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,800 Speaker 1: we've got a got a lot of crops coming off, 1452 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,960 Speaker 1: corn starting to come off, and and typically a lot 1453 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: you know, once our corner comes off, we recruit a 1454 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,599 Speaker 1: lot of deer, and we recruit a lot of older deer, 1455 01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,439 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the bigger deer. For some reason, 1456 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,439 Speaker 1: our big deer just love being out in that corn 1457 01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,639 Speaker 1: by themselves in the summertime, and once their home gets 1458 01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,280 Speaker 1: taken away, they come they come back to us. Um. 1459 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,599 Speaker 1: And it's typically the same box on the same farms 1460 01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,720 Speaker 1: year after year. Um. You know, we can you know, 1461 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,760 Speaker 1: we have history with these deer, and you know, and 1462 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,040 Speaker 1: I put these I put cameras on the scrapes, um, 1463 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: and that way I know they're back home. Um, and 1464 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,439 Speaker 1: it lets me know, uh, you know, are they you know, 1465 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,200 Speaker 1: on the on this food plotter they come to this 1466 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,519 Speaker 1: food plot the evenings, um. And then I can you know, 1467 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 1: and then I can go, okay, now he you know, 1468 01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,320 Speaker 1: just from what I know in the past, the deer 1469 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: has probably bet at here, he's coming to the food 1470 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: plot you know, this direction, and then I can kind 1471 01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,240 Speaker 1: of key in on that particular deer with my guys, 1472 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, and try to pull a rug out 1473 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: from underneaththing that way. But as far as far as 1474 01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,040 Speaker 1: numbers of cameras, I couldn't even tell you how many 1475 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:57,400 Speaker 1: cameras I have. UM. I know, I checked probably to day. 1476 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And and that's just you know, pulling into 1477 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,200 Speaker 1: a farm and I'd say I've got three cameras on 1478 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,120 Speaker 1: this farm, um, you know, And I got the wind right, 1479 01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,519 Speaker 1: and I'll just take the quaw and I'll just buzz around. 1480 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,679 Speaker 1: I'll check, you know, swap the cards out in these cameras. 1481 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:14,120 Speaker 1: I'll come back to the truck, pop them in the laptop, 1482 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, and click the room and see if I 1483 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, see if I can get any uh, you know, 1484 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,000 Speaker 1: most recent information of what's happening on that farm. You know. 1485 01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,360 Speaker 1: Now I got some guys going to the camp. H So, 1486 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,320 Speaker 1: so then that kind of ties in nicely to what 1487 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 1: my next question was, which is, given how many cameras 1488 01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,240 Speaker 1: you're looking through and like the just the vast amount 1489 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,360 Speaker 1: of data that you're looking through every year, year after 1490 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,719 Speaker 1: year after year, have you learned anything like like big 1491 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,759 Speaker 1: trends that you've seen because you've looked at so many pictures. 1492 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,479 Speaker 1: I mean, have you found any any like big picture 1493 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:52,040 Speaker 1: patterns Like, yes, like I've seen every year that X 1494 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:56,519 Speaker 1: happens or this factor always gets the buck on their feet? 1495 01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,080 Speaker 1: All right? Is there anything you've you've identified by way 1496 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,240 Speaker 1: of looking through all the pictures over the years and 1497 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,920 Speaker 1: maybe even you know, talking to hunters about their experiences 1498 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,240 Speaker 1: year after year after year, have you gotten any big 1499 01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,759 Speaker 1: picture of learnings in that in some kind of fashion 1500 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,360 Speaker 1: like that. Um, I guess it's something that we've all known, 1501 01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,240 Speaker 1: is that it's all about the weather. Those temperatures. Um, 1502 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,840 Speaker 1: you know I've been you can you know, like like 1503 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,840 Speaker 1: we've had you know, it was it was almost in 1504 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:25,800 Speaker 1: the eighties for a few days a few days ago, 1505 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,160 Speaker 1: and the cameras were a little slow. Um, you know 1506 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: when I clicked through those dates, Um, things were slow, 1507 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,920 Speaker 1: just deal, just worm moving. And then you know you 1508 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:37,840 Speaker 1: get a twenty degree temperature drop and it's like a 1509 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,760 Speaker 1: light switch went off. You're like, well, where you know 1510 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,040 Speaker 1: where all these deer come from? Um? And it's just this, 1511 01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,960 Speaker 1: you know, this time of year, we want the rust 1512 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:47,760 Speaker 1: to happen so bad. You know, we've been waiting on 1513 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,800 Speaker 1: it all year long. We've been checking our cameras and 1514 01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:52,639 Speaker 1: we're getting pictures of these big deer and we can't 1515 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 1: wait for this for the rest of get here. And 1516 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's all about the temperatures. You know, 1517 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,320 Speaker 1: if you've got to if it's the temperatures are warm them, 1518 01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: you know we're still gonna have a rut, but it's 1519 01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:04,519 Speaker 1: just gonna be at night. So you know, if you've 1520 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,080 Speaker 1: got cold temperatures then you're gonna see the activity when 1521 01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,719 Speaker 1: you're sitting in the tree standards, groundline or whatever. So Um, 1522 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,760 Speaker 1: that's that's the big thing that I can take away that, 1523 01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: you know, no matter, no matter what we do, the 1524 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,920 Speaker 1: rut is going to be pretty much the same time 1525 01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,200 Speaker 1: every year. Um. And if the temperatures are cold, we're 1526 01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna see it and we're gonna you know, guys are 1527 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:24,599 Speaker 1: gonna get to see it. They're gonna get to see 1528 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,439 Speaker 1: the chasing in the bucks, fighting and stuff like that. 1529 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,360 Speaker 1: But if it's warm, everything's gonna happen at night. What 1530 01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,479 Speaker 1: do you do during the rut when you do have 1531 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,320 Speaker 1: those warm temperatures? How do you make the best of 1532 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:40,240 Speaker 1: that situation? Um, we're sitting on the water holes, strategically 1533 01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,360 Speaker 1: place water holes for guys when the temperatures are hot. Um, 1534 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,920 Speaker 1: and you just just do your best. You try, you 1535 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:51,639 Speaker 1: can try and stay positive. Um. And you know that's 1536 01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,400 Speaker 1: one thing you can't control, you know, And that's you know, 1537 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:57,200 Speaker 1: and and it doesn't matter with anything in life, I guess, 1538 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,760 Speaker 1: you know, control the controllable and one thing we can 1539 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:04,040 Speaker 1: control the weather. Yeah, that's the truth with you know, 1540 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, when things are tough, you just you know, 1541 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,639 Speaker 1: you know, just say, maybe it's hunting. You know, it's 1542 01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,040 Speaker 1: not life or death, it's just hunting. It could be worse, 1543 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,439 Speaker 1: it could be a lot worse. Yeah, So what else 1544 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to the rut, when you get whether 1545 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,960 Speaker 1: it be your guys coming into camp or or anybody else. 1546 01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:24,960 Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about the right places that be, 1547 01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,320 Speaker 1: We've talked a little bit about how to handle the conditions, 1548 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,200 Speaker 1: talked a little about decoying. What else does someone need 1549 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,080 Speaker 1: to be doing to have a successful hunt during the rut? 1550 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:41,600 Speaker 1: Or should be thinking about her or whatever? Um, pay 1551 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,400 Speaker 1: attention to the deer. Like I said, if you're if 1552 01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:44,960 Speaker 1: you're not seeing what you want to see or what 1553 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,760 Speaker 1: you think you should be seeing, Um, you're doing something wrong. 1554 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000 Speaker 1: Um you need to movie. You need to either get 1555 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive, or maybe you got too aggressive, 1556 01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,720 Speaker 1: Maybe you need to back out. Maybe you smashed in 1557 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,720 Speaker 1: a little bit too far. Um, pay attention to the 1558 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,400 Speaker 1: d tales. Um. You know, if you're running cameras, you 1559 01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,240 Speaker 1: know this time you get to check those cameras a 1560 01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,680 Speaker 1: lot because you know you might be coming up on it, 1561 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:10,840 Speaker 1: you know, the next three or four days. Some of 1562 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:13,240 Speaker 1: these bigger deer, you canna get locked down, you know. 1563 01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,800 Speaker 1: And and if you're hunting one of those big deer 1564 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,600 Speaker 1: and he gets locked down and it's you know, you 1565 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,240 Speaker 1: could be in for a long rut. So you know, 1566 01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,240 Speaker 1: I'd say if you know, if I was, you know, 1567 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,360 Speaker 1: I haven't got to hunt the run so long. Um, 1568 01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:29,080 Speaker 1: but I get to hunted vicariously through our guys. But 1569 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's for me. I would just 1570 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,080 Speaker 1: pay attention to what the deer doing. And uh, like 1571 01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,080 Speaker 1: I said, if you if you slip in and you 1572 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,479 Speaker 1: hunt a morning and you're expecting to see a good 1573 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,519 Speaker 1: movement and you don't, well, I mean you did something wrong. 1574 01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,800 Speaker 1: You know, something something happened there. Uh where you where 1575 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,840 Speaker 1: you didn't play your cards right or you didn't you 1576 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,719 Speaker 1: weren't paying attention to what you should have been paying 1577 01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,400 Speaker 1: attention to. And learn from it. You know, just because 1578 01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,040 Speaker 1: you don't see nothing doesn't mean you can't learn. Yeah, 1579 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,040 Speaker 1: I feel like that's one of the big lessons I learned, 1580 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,719 Speaker 1: was just like, never assume that what happened just happened 1581 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,800 Speaker 1: by chance. Like there's always a why, there's always a 1582 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,400 Speaker 1: reason why something happens. So I'm constantly trying to trying 1583 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,720 Speaker 1: to force myself to ask that question and try to answer. So, 1584 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: so I didn't see any deer tonight, Well why why 1585 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,280 Speaker 1: did that happen? Or maybe I did see a mature 1586 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,720 Speaker 1: buck crossing this little ditch over in this such and 1587 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 1: such area, Well why did he? Why did he cross there? 1588 01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,640 Speaker 1: Why was he heading that direction? I feel like if 1589 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,000 Speaker 1: you take everything that you observe and experience in the 1590 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,680 Speaker 1: white Tail woods and apply the question of why to it, 1591 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,000 Speaker 1: you you by default becoming better deer hunter. I think 1592 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,160 Speaker 1: by asking and trying to answer those questions, maybe absolutely 1593 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,639 Speaker 1: absolutely no stone unturned, so you can you can never 1594 01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:43,960 Speaker 1: learn enough about these you know, I get you know, guys, 1595 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,360 Speaker 1: you know, friends and stuff will will text me and 1596 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll call me and be like, why 1597 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 1: did this dear do this? And I'm like, there, as 1598 01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,960 Speaker 1: soon as you figure out let me know, yeah, you know, 1599 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,559 Speaker 1: you know, let me know, as soon as you figure 1600 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,640 Speaker 1: out why that deer will do that, you know, on 1601 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,160 Speaker 1: this night when it's eighty five degrees and he's standing 1602 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,120 Speaker 1: in the scrape to you know, eleven o'clock in the 1603 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,600 Speaker 1: middle of the day and you're texting me why and 1604 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,240 Speaker 1: sending me the picture, and I'm like, uh, I have 1605 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:12,280 Speaker 1: no idea why he will be doing that? You know, 1606 01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, is there a dough pop in there? Or 1607 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,080 Speaker 1: did he did somebody bump them and he just took 1608 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,600 Speaker 1: a walk, you know? Or is you know as he 1609 01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,880 Speaker 1: actually you know a deer that will get up and 1610 01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,080 Speaker 1: walk in the middle of the day when is the 1611 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:31,200 Speaker 1: eighty five degrees? You know? It's about these careers. Yeah, yeah, 1612 01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,559 Speaker 1: they they are wild animals, that's for sure. They're They're 1613 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,280 Speaker 1: always going to keep us on your toes. So what 1614 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,360 Speaker 1: about this so fascinating? Oh yeah, yeah, I uh, I've 1615 01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:46,800 Speaker 1: yet to tire of them. So let's say we're hunting 1616 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,320 Speaker 1: the rut. We've done all these things. We've kept a 1617 01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:52,080 Speaker 1: positive attitude, we've been hunting hard, we've been focusing on 1618 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:56,599 Speaker 1: dose and pinch points and etcetera, etcetera. We're paying attention, 1619 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,519 Speaker 1: and everything worked out and we got a shot. We 1620 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:03,680 Speaker 1: hit a deer. Um, I've got I guess two situations 1621 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,360 Speaker 1: I want to lay out here. UM. One would be 1622 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,560 Speaker 1: we have a we have a deer that, Um, I 1623 01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,160 Speaker 1: guess Okay, let's let's let's say this. We hit a 1624 01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,800 Speaker 1: deer is there anything that you've learned given how many 1625 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,000 Speaker 1: deer trails you've been on with all the tracking you 1626 01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:23,200 Speaker 1: do with your bloodhounds, is there anything you've learned from 1627 01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,640 Speaker 1: tracking with a hound that has helped you become a 1628 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,719 Speaker 1: better blood tracker, just you know, on without a dog, 1629 01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:31,680 Speaker 1: or that you could tell someone that could help them 1630 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,719 Speaker 1: when they're tracking without a dog. Guess that's my first question. Um. 1631 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,680 Speaker 1: Typically if you if you make a moral hit on 1632 01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,880 Speaker 1: a deer, there's they're straight line. Is um you know, 1633 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,960 Speaker 1: whether it be you know, say you get a high 1634 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,120 Speaker 1: entry hit, high entry and no exit. Um, it's can 1635 01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:51,200 Speaker 1: be a little bit for you get a little bit 1636 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,280 Speaker 1: of blood. But typically those deer are straight lining. You know, 1637 01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,760 Speaker 1: they're they're on a mission. They're going somewhere and they're 1638 01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,760 Speaker 1: going there straight in a hurry. Um you know that 1639 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,600 Speaker 1: that would be you know as far as with the 1640 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,200 Speaker 1: dogs a lot of times, Um, you know, if you know, 1641 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,640 Speaker 1: if we're if I dropsy in on the track and 1642 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,880 Speaker 1: uh and she takes a good line and she starts 1643 01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,040 Speaker 1: going you know in that in that one direction, Um 1644 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,400 Speaker 1: she's going straight. Then you know I know typically um, 1645 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,519 Speaker 1: you know we're locked in you know we're doing what 1646 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,320 Speaker 1: we're supposed to be doing, so that that would be 1647 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the biggest thing you're not taking away with the hounds. 1648 01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,160 Speaker 1: You know a lot of times, you know, if you 1649 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,240 Speaker 1: didn't have a hound, you'd be kind of zig zagging 1650 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,280 Speaker 1: around trying to find blood so forced and you know 1651 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times, if you'll just get on that 1652 01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,640 Speaker 1: trail and you'll take that trail that that deal was 1653 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,560 Speaker 1: on that you shot, and just walk it out a 1654 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,880 Speaker 1: little bit, you'll, you know, you know, eventually you'll probably 1655 01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,240 Speaker 1: pick up some sign and pick up some blood, or 1656 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,519 Speaker 1: you know, see a track with the deal was running 1657 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,640 Speaker 1: and so forth. So these gear when they're hit, you know, 1658 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,280 Speaker 1: mortally hit, their straight lining m interesting. So let's I guess, 1659 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:01,600 Speaker 1: I guess maybe let's take a step back. Maybe I 1660 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: got ahead of myself there. Um, what's your basic process? Um, 1661 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,320 Speaker 1: without a dog, let's just say right now, because we'll 1662 01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,280 Speaker 1: talk about dogs in a second. But for for you 1663 01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,000 Speaker 1: pre dog, or for someone who doesn't have a dog, 1664 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,120 Speaker 1: how would you recommend or how do you personally go 1665 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,519 Speaker 1: through the moments after you see the arrowheaded deer? Take 1666 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 1: me through the process from that moment all the way 1667 01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, through a hypothetical track job, how you're doing it, 1668 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:32,559 Speaker 1: what you're looking for? Um, how long you would wait, etcetera, etcetera. Sure, Um, 1669 01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,080 Speaker 1: most owners know, you know, as soon as they let 1670 01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,599 Speaker 1: that let that arrow go, or you know whatever they're 1671 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,719 Speaker 1: shooting at a dude, they know, you know, their first 1672 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,800 Speaker 1: instinct is oh I smoked him, or oh man, that 1673 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,280 Speaker 1: was a bad shot. You know what I mean? Um, 1674 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, so typically that right there. Lets you know, 1675 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,600 Speaker 1: do I need to give this deer some time? Or 1676 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, can I wait? You know, do I wait 1677 01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:56,880 Speaker 1: forty five minutes or an hour? Uh? And get down 1678 01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,920 Speaker 1: and go look? Um, and you know what the dog 1679 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,000 Speaker 1: dogs in doing this outfit thing? Um, you know, being 1680 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,880 Speaker 1: that I'm not there with the guy. Um, you know 1681 01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 1: saying saying, don't have the dogs. You know we're gonna 1682 01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:13,040 Speaker 1: run through the scenario not having a doll. Say, you 1683 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,840 Speaker 1: shoot the deer, you feel like you made a great shot, 1684 01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,599 Speaker 1: the deer runs off, You're gonna hear it fall down. 1685 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,960 Speaker 1: You didn't see it falled down, but you just heard it. 1686 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's just hauling the mail. Um, I'm gonna wait, 1687 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna wait a while. I'm gonna get down, 1688 01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go inspect the arrow. Um. You know, I'm 1689 01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 1: just you know, see what kind of blood I got? 1690 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,759 Speaker 1: See you know, see if it's um good lung blood, 1691 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,000 Speaker 1: arterial blood or is it dark gritty? Is it dark blood? 1692 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,280 Speaker 1: You know, does it have any you know, gut matter 1693 01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,240 Speaker 1: on it? You know? What where did I hit the 1694 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,560 Speaker 1: deer um? And for the most part, a lot of 1695 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of these guys are you know, 1696 01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,639 Speaker 1: they're pretty well educated anymore as far as archree out. 1697 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,840 Speaker 1: Most of the guys know about where they hit the 1698 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:57,080 Speaker 1: deer um, you know. And and you can that that 1699 01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,200 Speaker 1: arrow is gonna tell you a lot. And then you know, 1700 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,800 Speaker 1: for me, I would wait, Um, you know, I'm a 1701 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm an eight hour guy, you know, you know, and 1702 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,560 Speaker 1: unless you see the deer fall over, you know, you 1703 01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,080 Speaker 1: see the you know, deer runs a hundred yards you're 1704 01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:12,040 Speaker 1: here and fall over, you see it fall over, you know, 1705 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,120 Speaker 1: then then get down and you know he'll get your 1706 01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,479 Speaker 1: gear by all means. But if you you know, if 1707 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,960 Speaker 1: you made uh, you know, you you think, you know, 1708 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 1: you're pretty sure you made a good shot. But maybe 1709 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe maybe it got liver, or maybe it 1710 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,960 Speaker 1: didn't well, then at least wait eight hours before you 1711 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,160 Speaker 1: do anything. You know, before you before you start tracking, 1712 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,080 Speaker 1: you before you go in there and start you know, 1713 01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,719 Speaker 1: even if you went fifty yards, that might be fifty 1714 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,080 Speaker 1: yards too far and you bump the deer and it's gone. Um. 1715 01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:41,360 Speaker 1: You worked all years for that, for that shot, you know, 1716 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,200 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna screw it up by not being 1717 01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:47,040 Speaker 1: patient enough. Um. So that's that's the biggest thing that 1718 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,120 Speaker 1: I've you know, I've actually had to learn, you know 1719 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,800 Speaker 1: parts and that's what the dogs have taught me. Um 1720 01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,960 Speaker 1: as well. It's just deep be patient. Um. You know, 1721 01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:00,160 Speaker 1: if it's dead now, it will be dead later. The 1722 01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:01,920 Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is bumped a deer. 1723 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,920 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, once you bumped a deer, your 1724 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,920 Speaker 1: chances of finding there is that much. You know, there's 1725 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,639 Speaker 1: you know they were you know there they were good before, 1726 01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,719 Speaker 1: but now they're you know, they're really bad now because 1727 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,320 Speaker 1: you're bumped the deer. He might even be off your property. 1728 01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:17,800 Speaker 1: He might you know, he might run a country mall 1729 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,200 Speaker 1: before he beds down again. You know who knows. But uh, 1730 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:23,599 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an eight hour guy. To be honest 1731 01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,439 Speaker 1: with your markets. If one of my guys shoots the 1732 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: deer in the morning, I'm not you know, say, shoots 1733 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,559 Speaker 1: at eight o'clock, I'm not going in there until four 1734 01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,280 Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon. If he shoots it at night, 1735 01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:35,519 Speaker 1: then I'm just gonna wait till the next morning. Then 1736 01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 1: we'll go in there in the daylight and see what 1737 01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:42,960 Speaker 1: we got to work with. Mhm. Now, have you found 1738 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,720 Speaker 1: there to be any You mentioned one thing already, that 1739 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,000 Speaker 1: being the lots of times a mortally hit deer is 1740 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,960 Speaker 1: gonna just be line it somewhere. Have you found there 1741 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to be any other patterns to a deer? You know, 1742 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,800 Speaker 1: there's these commonly held beliefs. I can name a couple 1743 01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 1: like people say that a wounded mortally would buck won't 1744 01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,720 Speaker 1: run uphill, or lots of times the morley wounded or 1745 01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,559 Speaker 1: gut shot deer hill head to water. Have you found 1746 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:09,400 Speaker 1: any of those things to be truer or anything else? Sure? Absolutely, 1747 01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of you know, and you know what, 1748 01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: I've had scenarios where you know where you know the 1749 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:17,400 Speaker 1: guy you know hundred they know it's a gut shot deer, 1750 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,000 Speaker 1: and they called me and I go there with the dogs, 1751 01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, say point four hours later, you know, we 1752 01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,920 Speaker 1: give the deer ample time. Um, and you know, and 1753 01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,040 Speaker 1: then we say, okay, you know, there's a pawen down here. 1754 01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,120 Speaker 1: There's a creek out here, it's got water in it. 1755 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, that's probably where he went. And we'll I'll 1756 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,120 Speaker 1: drop sit in on it and we'll start going that way. 1757 01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:35,800 Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, sist turns and she goes 1758 01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,400 Speaker 1: up the hill down a deep ravine and up ravine 1759 01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,360 Speaker 1: and all this and that, and then we find the 1760 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,720 Speaker 1: deer a hundred eighty degrees hundred eighty degrees away from 1761 01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,360 Speaker 1: the pond. You know. So you know a lot of 1762 01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,160 Speaker 1: times you can throw that theory out the window. I 1763 01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,680 Speaker 1: don't know why. Why wouldn't you know? Because when the 1764 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,240 Speaker 1: deer get shot in the gut, you know, they get septic, 1765 01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,160 Speaker 1: they get a fever, and they want to go to 1766 01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:58,400 Speaker 1: water to cool off. And that's where a lot of 1767 01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people find them, you know, whether their 1768 01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,920 Speaker 1: liver hit, you know, gut shot and shot in the intestine, whatever. 1769 01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:06,960 Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, you're gonna find them 1770 01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,720 Speaker 1: in the water because that's where they that's where they 1771 01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,759 Speaker 1: want to be, you know, that's what they're they're trying, 1772 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,280 Speaker 1: they're trying their dangnist to get to that water, so 1773 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,479 Speaker 1: they cool off because they have fever. Um. But you know, 1774 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,600 Speaker 1: as far as you know the rule of thumb for 1775 01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:21,360 Speaker 1: the most part, if you do shoot a geer and 1776 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,639 Speaker 1: the guts and you do not have a dog, um, 1777 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,880 Speaker 1: and you can't track it, so you have you know, 1778 01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,120 Speaker 1: you have no blood, UM, I would definitely I would 1779 01:27:30,120 --> 01:27:33,840 Speaker 1: definitely be walking walking the ditches or looking in nearby 1780 01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:39,640 Speaker 1: palms for sure. M h um. Now what about in 1781 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:44,679 Speaker 1: a situation with a dog? Um, Let's well, I guess 1782 01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,720 Speaker 1: what when when should somebody call a dog? I guess 1783 01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,479 Speaker 1: maybe that's the better question. What should I call someone 1784 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,360 Speaker 1: right away if I've got a shot that I don't 1785 01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,960 Speaker 1: feel is ideal? Yeah, as soon as you make the shot. 1786 01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know anybody that that's that's artery. And 1787 01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot of us out there that have you know, 1788 01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:04,880 Speaker 1: to have recovery dolls anymore. Um, we're pretty easy to 1789 01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:08,120 Speaker 1: find on social media, you know, whatever states you're hunting in, 1790 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,920 Speaker 1: um and and and just having it in your phone 1791 01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:13,400 Speaker 1: even if you don't call him, just put it in 1792 01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:16,760 Speaker 1: your phone. Deer tracker guy or a bloodhound guy. And 1793 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,360 Speaker 1: and if you you make a shot as soon as 1794 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,960 Speaker 1: you get back to the truck, and you know, man, 1795 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,040 Speaker 1: that's that's that's not a good shot. Call the tracker. 1796 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:26,479 Speaker 1: You know, all of us are gonna we want to 1797 01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,240 Speaker 1: help you find the deer. Whether we can get to 1798 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,040 Speaker 1: you or not, we want to help you find the deer. Um, 1799 01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,120 Speaker 1: So call the tracker. UM, we're gonna bring him kind 1800 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 1: of give you an interview process. We're gonna ask you 1801 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:39,640 Speaker 1: how high you were ground live? So forth's quoting to 1802 01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:42,800 Speaker 1: pouring away. Um, we're gonna run into the gauntlet of 1803 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,800 Speaker 1: questions and you know, and and that's gonna help you, 1804 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,840 Speaker 1: you know, play back the whole scenario in your mind. Um, 1805 01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:53,040 Speaker 1: the tracker is gonna be able to say, okay, well 1806 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,439 Speaker 1: I think you hit him here you know we're here 1807 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:59,639 Speaker 1: and so forth, Um, we canna tell you whether whether 1808 01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 1: you should go, you know, whether you should wait, whether 1809 01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,439 Speaker 1: they can come and help you, whether they can uh 1810 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe get a buddy that lives closer to you, 1811 01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, that has the dog, um referring to somebody 1812 01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,280 Speaker 1: else they can track for them. Um, So that would 1813 01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,719 Speaker 1: be the first thing I could, you know, I would 1814 01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,680 Speaker 1: say that if you made a marginal shot, try and 1815 01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,280 Speaker 1: get all of somebody with a dog, whether they don't 1816 01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:21,640 Speaker 1: even have to live in you know, the state. I mean, 1817 01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:22,880 Speaker 1: I bet I can vouch for a lot of the 1818 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,439 Speaker 1: guys that have dogs that you know, we just want 1819 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:28,240 Speaker 1: to help people find their deer um. So if you 1820 01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:31,200 Speaker 1: can get ahold of anybody to h to run that, 1821 01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:35,479 Speaker 1: you know, run the process through them, let them help 1822 01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:39,120 Speaker 1: you start the process. And uh and and hopefully you know, 1823 01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,800 Speaker 1: and if if you can get a dog out there, 1824 01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, day but you know, not that not all 1825 01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:45,360 Speaker 1: trackers are you know, for the most part, you know, 1826 01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,519 Speaker 1: nobody doing it full time tracking. So a lot of 1827 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,519 Speaker 1: a lot of the guys have you know, day jobs, 1828 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,599 Speaker 1: you know, or you know, working evenings or afternoons or whatever. 1829 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:57,160 Speaker 1: So finding finding somebody that's got the time to you know, 1830 01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,200 Speaker 1: drop everything they're doing and bringing their dogs is it 1831 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,519 Speaker 1: is hard, but uh, you know, but but if you 1832 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,560 Speaker 1: get a dog, there's more power to you. You know, 1833 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:08,600 Speaker 1: That's that's the best thing to do, is get let 1834 01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,080 Speaker 1: the dog run the track first before you go in 1835 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,479 Speaker 1: there with your buddies and start good searching around and 1836 01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,799 Speaker 1: and and try and you know, and you're just walking 1837 01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:20,320 Speaker 1: all over the track and you're disturbing the area where 1838 01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,120 Speaker 1: the deers ran. And now now then you bring the 1839 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,920 Speaker 1: dog in and drop the dog down. How the dogs 1840 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:28,320 Speaker 1: tracking your buddies. It's you know, it's trying to trying 1841 01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,519 Speaker 1: to track where the dew was, and you know you've 1842 01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,599 Speaker 1: you've stepped on blood and didn't know it. You stepped 1843 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,760 Speaker 1: on you know, some vials and gut matter and didn't 1844 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,120 Speaker 1: know it, and you're tracking it, you're carrying it with 1845 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,960 Speaker 1: your feet, and you're going the wrong direction. You know, 1846 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,760 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of different a lot of things 1847 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,760 Speaker 1: that can go wrong when you when you come in 1848 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,880 Speaker 1: there and you start grid searching with buddies or start 1849 01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:51,519 Speaker 1: blood trailing with buddies, and then all of a sudden 1850 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:52,840 Speaker 1: you want to back out and you want to call 1851 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:56,600 Speaker 1: the dogs. So call the dog first. Uh, take that 1852 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,519 Speaker 1: route if at all possible, before you go in there 1853 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,000 Speaker 1: with your buddy even start tracking. Yeah, it's got me 1854 01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:06,120 Speaker 1: thinking about another situation. UM, and this could be this 1855 01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:07,600 Speaker 1: could be whether you have a dog or not. I 1856 01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,840 Speaker 1: guess I'm curious about what the rights, what the right 1857 01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,560 Speaker 1: answer is. UM. Let's say you shoot a deer, and 1858 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,920 Speaker 1: then you got rain that's coming in soon afterwards. Um, 1859 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,559 Speaker 1: and maybe the shots kind of marginal um, but maybe 1860 01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,040 Speaker 1: you know it's kind of one of those in between 1861 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:26,120 Speaker 1: our shots. But rains coming in. What do you do then? 1862 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,840 Speaker 1: Do you push it because you want to get your 1863 01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,880 Speaker 1: do you go in sooner than usual because you want 1864 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,680 Speaker 1: to make sure you have some kind of blood? Or 1865 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,479 Speaker 1: do you say, all right, I'm just going to assume 1866 01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,600 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any blood, so I want to 1867 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,920 Speaker 1: make sure he at least doesn't get pushed farther away 1868 01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,880 Speaker 1: so I have a better chance when I am just 1869 01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,040 Speaker 1: kind of body searching the next day. How do you 1870 01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:49,280 Speaker 1: approach that situation? Um? You know, now now that I've 1871 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 1: got the dogs, Before I had the dogs, I would 1872 01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,679 Speaker 1: have went in and looks, because you know that's that's 1873 01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,720 Speaker 1: the way we blood trail, you know, it is with 1874 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:00,800 Speaker 1: our eyes. We need to deal a seed. Which way 1875 01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,960 Speaker 1: that deer went? Um? So before I had the hound, 1876 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,599 Speaker 1: I probably would have chanced it. And when it went 1877 01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:10,639 Speaker 1: in there before the rain and and hopefully we're covering 1878 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the deer. But now that I have the dogs, UM, 1879 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,600 Speaker 1: providing you're not you don't get a monsoon and it 1880 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,800 Speaker 1: just you know, just a big gully washer. Actually a 1881 01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,200 Speaker 1: little bit of moisture and rain is good for the dogs. 1882 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,559 Speaker 1: It actually holds that scent tighter and holds that scent right, 1883 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, right there where it needs to be. UM. 1884 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,479 Speaker 1: So a little bit of rain on on the blood 1885 01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,880 Speaker 1: and on the track itself, it's not bad for dogs, 1886 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if that makes sense to it, 1887 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,439 Speaker 1: because it's kind of just it just holds the scent 1888 01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:47,200 Speaker 1: right there as far as you know, say, say it's dry, 1889 01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, when you shoot the deer and then it 1890 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,280 Speaker 1: starts raining. It just it just it's like a sponge, 1891 01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, the it just holds it right there where 1892 01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,400 Speaker 1: it needs to be versus de scent just kind of 1893 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,120 Speaker 1: blowing all over the place and back force. You know, 1894 01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,840 Speaker 1: what a wounded deer gives off is that interdigital scent 1895 01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:07,519 Speaker 1: gland you know, in their hooves. Um, when it's shot 1896 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,200 Speaker 1: and it's mortally hit, it's given off that scent. That 1897 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,200 Speaker 1: waxy deposit is what it's given off. And that's you know, 1898 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,800 Speaker 1: that's what canines and predators and stuff, that's how they 1899 01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:20,639 Speaker 1: tracked the deer their wounded um, you know, And that's 1900 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,080 Speaker 1: the same thing that we train our dogs on. It's 1901 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,800 Speaker 1: not so much blood, it's that waxy deposit that that 1902 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:30,519 Speaker 1: deer gives off, you know, how their interdigital scent gland 1903 01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:35,559 Speaker 1: in their hooves. Yeah, speaking of understanding you know how 1904 01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,120 Speaker 1: you're training your dog. Anything you could recommend to someone 1905 01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:42,160 Speaker 1: out there who who hasn't interested in getting their own 1906 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:46,439 Speaker 1: tracking dog, maybe a resource or organizations or anything like that, 1907 01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,640 Speaker 1: or where should people go to start learning about how 1908 01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:52,759 Speaker 1: to do this? Um there, there's a lot of stuff 1909 01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,799 Speaker 1: on the internet, how to say, get books John Janie, 1910 01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,400 Speaker 1: I've got numerous books that he's that he's written on 1911 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,920 Speaker 1: recovering you know, deer recovery. Um in case you Morrigan, 1912 01:34:05,080 --> 01:34:06,639 Speaker 1: you know the guy that I'm partners with the blood 1913 01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,880 Speaker 1: out of deer track because he's, uh, he's a wealth 1914 01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,200 Speaker 1: of knowledge himself. I mean he kind of started himself 1915 01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,600 Speaker 1: on it and learned through trial and error, um on. 1916 01:34:14,920 --> 01:34:17,240 Speaker 1: You know, did a lot of stuff wrong, and then 1917 01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,880 Speaker 1: he did a lot of stuff right and uh and 1918 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, and ended up getting a bloodhound. He started 1919 01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,720 Speaker 1: out with some other other breeds and ended up with 1920 01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,000 Speaker 1: a bloodhound and uh, you know, and he's had nothing 1921 01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:32,080 Speaker 1: but success. You know using using the bigger dogs. UM, 1922 01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,200 Speaker 1: I would say, figure out what what you want out 1923 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:36,880 Speaker 1: of the dog? You know, if you're looking to get 1924 01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,720 Speaker 1: into it, Um, are you going to use it just 1925 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,799 Speaker 1: for yourself and you know and maybe a couple of buddies, 1926 01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:46,080 Speaker 1: or are you actually gonna you know, provide a service 1927 01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:49,360 Speaker 1: for the local hunters in your area? Um, and you know, 1928 01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,320 Speaker 1: and figure out what kind of dog is it? You know, 1929 01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:53,639 Speaker 1: is just gonna be a you know, full fledged working 1930 01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:55,960 Speaker 1: dog or you know, or just dog going to sleep 1931 01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:57,639 Speaker 1: on the couch with me and you know, and maybe 1932 01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:00,200 Speaker 1: every wants a while, we're gonna track a little bit. Um. 1933 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,479 Speaker 1: You know, I guess you know, figure out, you know 1934 01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,360 Speaker 1: what kind of dog you want. Um. You know there's 1935 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,200 Speaker 1: some great breeds out there. You know a lot of 1936 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,800 Speaker 1: guys are using uh slobaki and copas those that's a 1937 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,040 Speaker 1: great breed. Bloodhounds are great breeds. Are a little bit 1938 01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,760 Speaker 1: bigger dogs. Um. Um, wire hair docks and the short 1939 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,960 Speaker 1: hair docks. Ands. You know, there's you know a lot 1940 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,479 Speaker 1: of guys to recover you know, hundreds of deer a 1941 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,320 Speaker 1: year with you know, using those small dogs. UM. You 1942 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,960 Speaker 1: know I have two bloodhounds, have we had about a 1943 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,439 Speaker 1: ninety five pounds red female and about a sixty five 1944 01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,479 Speaker 1: pound black and tan female. And uh, you know that's 1945 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,920 Speaker 1: that's just a dog I like for the terrain that 1946 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm in over here. Um, We've got a lot of 1947 01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,519 Speaker 1: deep ditches and you know, just they just work better 1948 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,760 Speaker 1: for me here, you know, in this hilly country over here, 1949 01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,720 Speaker 1: so um, you know, and some of the some of 1950 01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:52,759 Speaker 1: the flat ground, you know, some of the other stuff 1951 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,080 Speaker 1: for some people are you know, maybe you don't want 1952 01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:58,400 Speaker 1: to you know, neither long legged dogs. Um. But as 1953 01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:02,040 Speaker 1: far as breeders, you know, i'd you know, I'm not, Uh, 1954 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,600 Speaker 1: I'm not, you know, I was fortunate enough for you know, 1955 01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,240 Speaker 1: Casey got me my first pup, and I did a 1956 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,080 Speaker 1: little bit of legwork on my own to find the 1957 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,840 Speaker 1: next pups. Um, just through social media. You know, there's 1958 01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's you know, if you want, if you know, 1959 01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,360 Speaker 1: if you want to find the dog, uh, you know, 1960 01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:20,800 Speaker 1: to recover dear, you know you'll find one. You know, 1961 01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,720 Speaker 1: they're they're out there. Um, you know, go and uh, 1962 01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, put your hands on the pups and and 1963 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,800 Speaker 1: see the kind of environment that the dogs are in 1964 01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,840 Speaker 1: and see where their parents come from. See what their 1965 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,920 Speaker 1: parents are doing. And the grand you know, the grandparents 1966 01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,000 Speaker 1: of the you know of them. See what kind of 1967 01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,080 Speaker 1: bloodline they're you know, they are they working dogs or 1968 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:42,400 Speaker 1: they show dogs or um. You definitely want to stick 1969 01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:44,960 Speaker 1: with the working line of dogs. You know. That's the thing. Uh, 1970 01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, the bloodhouse they've kind of got a bad 1971 01:36:47,160 --> 01:36:50,680 Speaker 1: rep you know lately, with you know, being more of 1972 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:55,040 Speaker 1: a show dog versus a working line, and uh, you know, 1973 01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,680 Speaker 1: and and we're trying to trying to reverse that a 1974 01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,840 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, we haven't we haven't bread and 1975 01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,960 Speaker 1: of our of our working dog yet, but uh, you 1976 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,120 Speaker 1: know that's something that we're probably gonna do here in 1977 01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:09,160 Speaker 1: the future and hopefully, you know, put out some good 1978 01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:13,519 Speaker 1: working bloodhouse. I'll tell you what it really does. Every 1979 01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,280 Speaker 1: time I talk to anyone who has a dog like 1980 01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:16,920 Speaker 1: this and is able to do this kind of thing, 1981 01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,920 Speaker 1: he really is intriguing. It gets tempting that it's got 1982 01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,640 Speaker 1: to be really nice just to have that tool in 1983 01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,920 Speaker 1: your in your toolbox whenever the situation arises. Sure, yeah, 1984 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean Sis. You know, Sis is my older dog, 1985 01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:33,560 Speaker 1: and she's she's made us look like rock stars. You know, 1986 01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:36,280 Speaker 1: be honest with some of the some of the deer 1987 01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,559 Speaker 1: that she usually telling for us over the years. Um, 1988 01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,320 Speaker 1: you know great, you know, like you know what I'll 1989 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,000 Speaker 1: tell guys, You're like, oh man, we gotta go in 1990 01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,720 Speaker 1: there and try and recover that Deer's gonna rain in 1991 01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:46,720 Speaker 1: the morning. And I'll tell no, don't worry about it. 1992 01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,560 Speaker 1: The rain is not gonna bottle the dog, you know, 1993 01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,360 Speaker 1: and knockout wood. You know, we go two hundred fifty 1994 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,720 Speaker 1: three under the yards and sisters standing over the over 1995 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:56,400 Speaker 1: the deer, and you know, she makes us look like 1996 01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,720 Speaker 1: a rock star. Um. But if it's a lot of work, 1997 01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:02,760 Speaker 1: you know, especially in the early you know that first 1998 01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,360 Speaker 1: the adolescent years of having a pup. You know, it's 1999 01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,599 Speaker 1: about repetition. Um. And and you gotta get out there 2000 01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,920 Speaker 1: and you gotta work them. Um. You know, like I 2001 01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:14,040 Speaker 1: said earlier, you know, if you if uh you know, 2002 01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:16,439 Speaker 1: you know, if you want you know, full time results, 2003 01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,519 Speaker 1: can't can't put it in part time work. Um. And 2004 01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,720 Speaker 1: you know what says I had I did. You know 2005 01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,760 Speaker 1: her first two years was just you know, a lot 2006 01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,120 Speaker 1: a lot of work. It's a lot that she did 2007 01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,519 Speaker 1: a lot of work in the in the harness and uh, 2008 01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, and it was a learning process for me too, 2009 01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,320 Speaker 1: as far as learning how to read her, you know, 2010 01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,600 Speaker 1: when she was locked in and uh and learning how 2011 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,040 Speaker 1: to read it once she was you know, out to 2012 01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,479 Speaker 1: lunch so speaking, and not doing what she was supposed 2013 01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,800 Speaker 1: to do. But now she's four years old, you know, 2014 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,080 Speaker 1: I do I do some artificial tracks with her in 2015 01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,200 Speaker 1: the off season, you know, just to keep the uh, 2016 01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,120 Speaker 1: keep the drive there. You know, we do play a 2017 01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,280 Speaker 1: lot of games tuggle war and so forth like that, 2018 01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,040 Speaker 1: you know, with deer highs and deer hoofs and of 2019 01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:03,240 Speaker 1: stuff and uh. And now you know, now it's you know, 2020 01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,240 Speaker 1: when I pull that hunter us out now and you know, 2021 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,760 Speaker 1: and I put my bibs on, she knows the time 2022 01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,280 Speaker 1: to go to work, and you know, she knows what 2023 01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,280 Speaker 1: time it is. That's that's pretty cool. That's really cool. 2024 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,000 Speaker 1: And I like, I like that phrase you head there 2025 01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,960 Speaker 1: that you shouldn't expect full time results if you're only 2026 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,840 Speaker 1: putting in part time work. And I feel like that's, uh, 2027 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,080 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good thing to keep in mind, even 2028 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:28,240 Speaker 1: just as a deer hunter, right, you shouldn't be out 2029 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:31,080 Speaker 1: there expecting the world if you're only putting in part 2030 01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:34,160 Speaker 1: time work. So that's a good thing for all of 2031 01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:37,080 Speaker 1: us to think keep in mind, especially in the off 2032 01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,479 Speaker 1: season when when we get back to work as far 2033 01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,719 Speaker 1: as preparing our hunting properties. But we're in the midst 2034 01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,280 Speaker 1: of it right now, and we're kind of reaping what 2035 01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:46,040 Speaker 1: we've sewed. Hopefully we've all already put in the work, 2036 01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,200 Speaker 1: and hopefully we're just enjoying the benefits of it now. 2037 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,920 Speaker 1: But I guess, you know, we we gotta wrap things up, Tim, 2038 01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,080 Speaker 1: But if you could leave, if you could, if you 2039 01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,920 Speaker 1: could leave our listeners with any final reminder or word 2040 01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,360 Speaker 1: of wisdom or or piece of advice as we're heading 2041 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,320 Speaker 1: into this. You know, this is kind of like the 2042 01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:06,680 Speaker 1: super Bowl of all of our white tail seasons right 2043 01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,240 Speaker 1: coming into the rude. Ever, a lot of people, like 2044 01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,120 Speaker 1: all of your goals and hopes and dreams for the 2045 01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:13,599 Speaker 1: hunting season might be riding on the next couple of weeks. 2046 01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,360 Speaker 1: Is there anything that we haven't talked about yet, Tim, 2047 01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,400 Speaker 1: that you that you think we need to make sure 2048 01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:25,360 Speaker 1: to touch on. Um? Yeah, I think we've covered a lot, 2049 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,519 Speaker 1: you know, And one thing, um is, you know, envy, Uh, 2050 01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, are greedy? You know? You 2051 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:36,240 Speaker 1: know some guys are you know, you see it all 2052 01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:39,519 Speaker 1: the time, you know on social media. Um, just because 2053 01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,120 Speaker 1: somebody killed a big geer, that doesn't mean they're a 2054 01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,720 Speaker 1: bad person. You know. Maybe they did all the work 2055 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,120 Speaker 1: in the offseason. You know, maybe they did all the 2056 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,040 Speaker 1: work that you wish you would have did. And that's 2057 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,559 Speaker 1: why you're mad at that person, because they they did 2058 01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,120 Speaker 1: what you you know, what you should have did. And 2059 01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:55,960 Speaker 1: you're mad because they killed the big deer. Um. And 2060 01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,680 Speaker 1: don't don't smash you know, other hunters just because they're successful. Um, 2061 01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:02,120 Speaker 1: be happy for him. You know, it makes you feel 2062 01:41:02,160 --> 01:41:04,920 Speaker 1: better as a person when you're happy for somebody. Um, 2063 01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:08,479 Speaker 1: you know that was successful. Um. You know, we're all 2064 01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,519 Speaker 1: in this together. Um to you know, to grow our sport, 2065 01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:14,200 Speaker 1: to make it better than it was before we come 2066 01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,639 Speaker 1: into it. And you know, and that's my ultimate goal 2067 01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:20,000 Speaker 1: and that that should be all of our goals, you know, 2068 01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:23,360 Speaker 1: as sportsman, you know, as outdoorsman, is to leave it 2069 01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,640 Speaker 1: better than we found it. And you know, take your 2070 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,559 Speaker 1: kids hut and have fun with your kids. Don't make 2071 01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,439 Speaker 1: it so serious with your kids when you do get 2072 01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,240 Speaker 1: a chance to take them out and would be safe, 2073 01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, obviously everybody wear a harness. You know, you 2074 01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:41,439 Speaker 1: got responsibilities at home, you know, don't be don't be 2075 01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,040 Speaker 1: selfish and clamp them up in a free stand without 2076 01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:48,800 Speaker 1: a harness on. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. If people want 2077 01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,519 Speaker 1: to see all the different things, if people want to 2078 01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,880 Speaker 1: connect with you, whether it be on the white tail 2079 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:57,040 Speaker 1: property side or see your videos of the white tail edge, 2080 01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,240 Speaker 1: or book a hunt or learn more about it. Um, 2081 01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:04,360 Speaker 1: where can they go online to find all this stuff? Tim? Um? 2082 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,120 Speaker 1: You can go to uh Whitehall property dot com and 2083 01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:11,080 Speaker 1: UH you can click on the agents and tim would 2084 01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,240 Speaker 1: will pop up. Click on the air. My contact information 2085 01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,880 Speaker 1: is on there, my email address, my my cell phone number, 2086 01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:21,800 Speaker 1: my cell phone numbers not three, seven, eight, four or four, one, five, 2087 01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:25,479 Speaker 1: zero or two. Um. You know I typically answered to 2088 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,240 Speaker 1: you know, even for numbers that I don't know, just 2089 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,960 Speaker 1: because I'm in the real estate business, and you know, 2090 01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:35,240 Speaker 1: I'll talk to anybody about anything. Um. You know, UM, 2091 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,840 Speaker 1: if you want to you to hold me, there's ways 2092 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,600 Speaker 1: people find out how you to hold me. I'm not 2093 01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:43,680 Speaker 1: that hard to find, all right, very good? And then 2094 01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,519 Speaker 1: I guess I'm assuming then that's a good number to 2095 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:48,160 Speaker 1: reach you at. If there's someone needs some blood track 2096 01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,600 Speaker 1: and too. Huh sure, yep, and uh you know, and 2097 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,960 Speaker 1: keep in mind that you know this. Uh it's hard 2098 01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,200 Speaker 1: for me to get you know, I do get a 2099 01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:58,360 Speaker 1: lot of calls and uh and you know I can 2100 01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,160 Speaker 1: tell you that things are really starting to heat up 2101 01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,720 Speaker 1: because I've got you know, I've gotten probably I think 2102 01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:06,920 Speaker 1: it's five calls in the last two days for so 2103 01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:09,680 Speaker 1: dear recoveries. So things are getting right. Yeah, that's the 2104 01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,000 Speaker 1: that's another to reach me at or you can text me. 2105 01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,599 Speaker 1: Uh and uh, you know, I'll talk about your dear hit, 2106 01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:21,439 Speaker 1: talk about selling a piece of property, talk about anything awesome. Well, Uh, 2107 01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,439 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed getting to talk to you here tonight, Tim, 2108 01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:27,200 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you making the time to uh to 2109 01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,400 Speaker 1: have this conversation right here in the busy part of 2110 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:32,599 Speaker 1: the season. So thank you for that, Tim, absolutely Thanks 2111 01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:35,479 Speaker 1: for having me. Mark had fun, absolutely well. I wish 2112 01:43:35,560 --> 01:43:38,400 Speaker 1: you luck and your future hunts and for all your 2113 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:42,000 Speaker 1: all your hunters coming into camp here soon and um man, 2114 01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:45,519 Speaker 1: let's stay in touch stand forth. We'll do that and 2115 01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:49,040 Speaker 1: that is a rap. So before we go, though, big 2116 01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:52,240 Speaker 1: thank you to our partners at Sitka Gear. Yetie Cooler's 2117 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,519 Speaker 1: Matthew's Archery, Maven Optics, the White Tailed Institute of North America, 2118 01:43:57,080 --> 01:44:01,400 Speaker 1: Trophy Ridge and hunt ra Maps. And finally, of course, 2119 01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,120 Speaker 1: I really appreciate taking some time out of your day 2120 01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:07,639 Speaker 1: to listen to this episode, to listen to our radio 2121 01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,880 Speaker 1: episodes that come out each week as well, um Man, 2122 01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:13,400 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys being a part of this community. 2123 01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,599 Speaker 1: And if you're hitting out the woods, if you're going 2124 01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,960 Speaker 1: out soon, if you're hunting, which I certainly hope you 2125 01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,840 Speaker 1: are because things are getting good, Wishing you all the 2126 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,080 Speaker 1: best of luck. I hope you have a great hunt, 2127 01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,479 Speaker 1: hope you have a safe hunt, and until next time, 2128 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,000 Speaker 1: stay Wired to Hunt.