1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Ronan and some of the comments we're just so snarky. 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no other way to say it 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: were attributed to that. I've only wanted to present one side, 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: and I'm so one sided and I'm resistant to the future. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: You know what, No, that isn't it just here to 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: report the news, even news, just getting me something news. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor, at the risk of being considered of 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: two sir, just avoiding the issue or just trying to 9 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: be one sided, explained to me how we're going to 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: solve traffic jims. You took a three and a half 11 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: hour rod that was seven hours. Will an electric vehicle 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: go that walk? I don't know. Welcome to the radio 13 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: home of ron Andanian the Car Doctor, since this is 14 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturn to for their definitive 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 16 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the 17 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: garage to artists are open, but I am here to 18 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: take your call at eight five and now running here 19 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: we are again, um, but we end up in the 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: same spot every time. This hour, uh, this week is 21 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: the hours just kind of rolled by. I haven't said 22 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: a Lott of Tom Ray all day today. Um, how 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: are we doing up there? And how are we doing 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: up there in New York? Mr Ray, We're doing okay, 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: sons out. When we came out, the computers down here 26 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: seemed to be working. M'll hear you. Yeah, I know. Um, 27 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: we're we're fighting a bad power supply issue on the 28 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: automation computer folks, by the way, and we keep replacing it. 29 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: We have new computers. We're now setting them up. But um, 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just getting Tom ready for when we 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: go into the electric car business. I said it again. 32 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: What did I do that? You keep saying that? Yeah? 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: I know. You know I'm gonna have to install a 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: buttons so when I push it, it puts five thousand 35 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: volts in your chair. So you remember, I don't think 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: it'll do five thousand vaults. I don't think we have 37 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: an electricity in the infrastructure. Oh did I say that that? So? Um, 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: you know I've got a kind of you know, Christmas 39 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: is coming, Christmas is Santa won't bring you anything? Well, 40 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: listen Christmas show this year. We're we're putting together a 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: a fresh show for Christmas folks. We want to tell 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: you about that and all we're gonna tell you is, uh, 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: the Christmas Show this year is going to literally knock 44 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: your socks off because we've gotten out and the first 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: half of the show is done. We've speaken, We've spoken, 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: We're speaken. We've spoken to an industry expert, a real 47 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: down to earth nuts and bolts mathematics physics professor that 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: will explain electric cars in the electric car future to 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: all of us. It's not political, it's just you know, 50 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: two and two has to be four and we're gonna 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: be talking to him Christmas, so that you don't want 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: to miss that show by any stretch of the imagine. 53 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: A should make sure if you're podcasting you've got the 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: subscribe button set because Tom actually, Tom actually told me 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I did a good interview. That's how good it was. 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: And how often do we hear that out of Tom 57 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: right about you? Yeah? Not often, not often, So it 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: was a good interview. Anyway to abuse you, well, it's 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: it is, you know, I need the abuse. It makes 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: me think I'm at work. Let's uh, let's go to 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: j in Wisconsin continue our conversation about undercoding. Jay. Welcome 62 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: to the car doctor, sir, How can I help you today. Hey, 63 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about undercoting or that gentleman from Lanting, Michigan 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: was talking about it and you had suggested was a 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: new Hampshire oil company or something like that. There. There's 66 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: another product that I've been using for years. Um, get 67 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: it at like tractor supplies or I've seen it at 68 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: auto parts stars. Actually a product called fluid film. Yeah, 69 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: yeah product. Yeah, yeah, that works pretty good. So yeah, 70 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: I and listen, full disclosure, I use fluid film on 71 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: family vehicles, on some customer vehicles. The downside to it 72 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: is it kind of washes off after a season or 73 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: after you know, a real heavy storm. But you know, 74 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: fluid front fluid film say that three times fast. Fluid 75 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: film is a good low cost alternative. You know, if 76 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: you've got access I think, you know, for the person 77 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: that maybe has a lift in the garage like I'm 78 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: assuming you might, or you've got access to the underside 79 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. But for the person that you know 80 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: it just wants to set it up once and forget it. 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: I think there's other alternatives out there, but yeah, absolutely, 82 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: fluid film works really well. Uh, fluid film is a 83 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: is a low cost alternative. Yeah, it's listen. I've got 84 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: shelves of it. I've got I've got a case. I've 85 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: got a couple of cases of it actually on the 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: shelf at the shop. I stucked up on it this 87 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: year because I wasn't sure if that was gonna be 88 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: the next thing we've missed in the supply chain, because 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: we seem to be missing everything I want. I want 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: to I'll be on that one. I got a five 91 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: gallon pail of it with an airless sprayer, you know, 92 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: plugged into it so I can just get underneath with 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 1: a creeper and just go. Yeah, it's fluid film works 94 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: really well. It's been around a long long time. But 95 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: and I think in that gentleman's case, it was Derek 96 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: from Michigan, UM, having just purchased what do they say, 97 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: eighty seven he spent eighty seven thousand dollars on a 98 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: new GMC yukon that, UM, I'd rather give him the easier, 99 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, put it on once and forget it. And 100 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: that's where I think New Hampshire Oil, New Hampshire Oil 101 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: undercoating comes into place. So but as always, so all right, sir, 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. Thank you, You're very welcome, buddy. 103 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: Let's go over Virginia and Omaha a Nissan Rogue with 104 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: some strange noises. Virginia. Welcome to the car doctor. How 105 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: can I help? Yes? I was telling because I was 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's wrong with my car since 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: the dealership couldn't tell me. Uh, it makes a noise 108 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: like when I first start off, I'm taking off in 109 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: an airplane, and then it kind of get speed and 110 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: it kind of hums and and as I reduced my speed, 111 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: and it sounds like your trans going to land. So 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: I had taken it in and they couldn't find anything 113 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: wrong with it. They had checked my se is it 114 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: is t case? And are you are you? Are you just? 115 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: Are you thinking? Are you saying? It sounds and I'm 116 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: not being silly here? Does it sound like a propeller 117 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: plane or a jet plane? Oh? I would say a 118 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: jet plane. Okay, So it's it's giving you the sensation. 119 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: There's a there's a low thunderous noise to it. It's 120 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: just a steady um Oh. I don't know, a roar 121 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: maybe as you take off and is it there all 122 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: the time? Is it just a constant roar I'll use 123 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: your word. Um. When it has been it started up, 124 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: I could barely hear it, and I just thought, well, 125 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: there's something wrong. And then it increased and they drove 126 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: it and said, yes, there is a noise there, um, 127 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: and I had to take it back in. So they 128 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: looked into the t case and transmission case and um. 129 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: They said they use a magnet to see if there 130 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: was any debris in there, and they didn't find anything. 131 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: So they told me to drive it until something goes 132 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: wrong and like comes on or something. But I just 133 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: don't want to drive it in that's doing some kind 134 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: of damage. That seems that seems kind of silly. You know, 135 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Just drive it, Just drive it till it breaks and 136 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: hopefully you're not in a bad spot on the side 137 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: of the road being being chased by Indians or something 138 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: like that. You know. It's uh, yeah, we don't want 139 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: to do that. So Okay. The first question I've got 140 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: is is there another dealership you can take it to 141 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: somebody that actually has a brain. Yes, yes, there's several. Okay, 142 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: that's that's that's the thought. What I'm thinking about is 143 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: and my biggest concern is the rogues, Like a lot 144 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: of the Nissans have issues with the CVT transmissions, and 145 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: I want to be sure that it's not failing. How 146 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: many miles are on at Virginia Okay, because depending upon 147 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: the year in the model, this may have extended warranty 148 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: on it that um uh, you know, could be the 149 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: source and the cause of it. Um. As a matter 150 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: of fact, do you have a pencil, pencil and paper 151 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: or something right on? Take a look at if if 152 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: they want, would you describe it as a wine or 153 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: a grinding kind of noise during acceleration and then the 154 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: level of noise increases of the vehicle speed increases. Is 155 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: it that type of a noise? I would? Okay, take 156 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: a look at Nissan bulletin NTB and I had to 157 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: decide which one to give you because there's there's so 158 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: many for these transmissions NTB fifteen dash one O two B. 159 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: And I believe the heading on that talks about wine 160 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: or grind from the vehicle as you're traveling, it gets 161 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: louder as time goes on, and that discusses the issues 162 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: with the internal CVT transmission and it's more than likely 163 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: that's where the fault is. Um that this this has 164 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: a problem with the reduction gear set up inside the 165 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: inside the trans that will give them a bulletin number 166 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: they can reference. If they don't have it or want 167 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: to produce that for you, then find another dealer and 168 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: explain to them, give them that number, Say hey, you 169 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: know this bulletin tell them tell them where you got it. 170 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: Make me the bad guy, all right, I don't care. Um, 171 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've I've got asbestos underwear and uh, 172 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: you know, see if they've see what's see what they 173 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: make out of that bolt and that bolt, and will 174 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: describe what you're describing to me and explain the process 175 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: for diagnosing it. It is likely going to come down 176 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: if it is CBT related. Nissan does not rebuild their transmissions. 177 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 1: They will swap in and swap out a remanufactured unit. 178 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: And it may very well be may I'm not saying 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: it is. It may very well be under some form 180 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: of an extended warranty because of the problematic issues they've 181 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: had with their transit. So you want to be sure 182 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, and then did you purchase an extended warranty 183 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: and so forth? Um, it may actually know it's got 184 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: sixty five miles on it. I think Nissan covers, their 185 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: trans is their drive lines five years, sixty thou miles. 186 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: So you're just out. You didn't have going to go 187 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: in prior to the sixty thousand mile mark complaining of this, 188 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: did you? No, I didn't. They did advise me to 189 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: change the some kind of fluid c VT fluid trans fluid. Yeah, 190 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: that could be a couple of two fifty bucks kind 191 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: of repaired for JOA something like that. Yeah, that sounds 192 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: like that, sounds like CVT fluid. Get your hands on 193 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: that bulletin. That bulleton is gonna that bulleton is gonna 194 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: spin their head. Um okay, may I repeat that number again? 195 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: Sure it was at MTV DASHT DASH one or two 196 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: B right, B isn't baker And it's dated. It's gonna 197 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: be dated. It's gonna be dated March of and in 198 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: all honesty, don't be surprised if it's a CEE or 199 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: a D by Now it very well could be alright, 200 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: meaning meaning meaning they've updated the bulletin. And that's what 201 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean that that particular complaint ain't so common on 202 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: those trucks. First they came out with a one O two, 203 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: and then they came out with a one oh two A. 204 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: Then they came out with a one O two B 205 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: by Now it could be a day, it could be 206 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: an e. That's why I'm surprised for them to say 207 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: I just drive it till it breaks, which makes me 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: think they're trying to get out of having to do 209 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: something such that there's vehicle maybe under warranty. Yes, I 210 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: that kind of went in my head too. Yeah, okay, 211 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much. You're very welcome. If you need more, 212 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm here again. All right, you'd be well, okay, yes, 213 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: thank you, you're welcome. Well, you know, I mean, come on, 214 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: it's let's you know someone I used to you know, 215 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: I used to use the expression. I guess I've outgrown it. 216 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: I would ask people, hey, do you like Bolognay and 217 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: they'd say why, and I said, well, because I think 218 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: at a dollar fifty nine pound you're being served the sandwich. Um. 219 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't use that term enough. I'm 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: trying to be the kinder, gentler card doctor zero nine 221 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 1: zero zero more. If that woman likes Bologny zero nine 222 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: zero zero, run any of the car. Doctor, No Bologny 223 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: the one and only not a phony. Back right after 224 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: this when you get keep Ron's number handy eight five 225 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine zero zero for when you 226 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: really need advice on your car, here's rob Boy. Thank 227 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: god the phones of cool bof a little bit. Now 228 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: I can talk to you. Um, let's see where I 229 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: want to start. I've got a pile of papers in 230 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: front of me, information from Research Canty, among other sources. 231 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Steve from Roanoke, Virginia sent me some notes. I want 232 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: to tell you about this Jeep. I want to talk 233 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: about this because I thought this was a good repair 234 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: that I did this week at sixteen Jeep Patriot came 235 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: into the shop, four cylinder, nineties, six thousand miles on it, 236 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: and it had a P zero four fifty six evaporative 237 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: emissions small leak. When when I say small leak, if 238 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: the thickness of your hair is the barometer a four 239 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: fifty six, we're looking for a loss or a drop 240 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: in vacuum against pressure less than the thickness less than 241 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: half the thickness of the hair on your head. So 242 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: we're we're kind of looking for a pimple on the 243 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: flies behind. For lack of a better way to a 244 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: better way to put it, it's it's small. Now let's 245 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: talk about evaporative emissions failures. You guys all know this 246 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: is gas cap codes. I mean, that's what you all do. 247 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: The check engine heck, I think the check engine light. 248 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: If I was going to design a new car, the 249 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: next one would say check engine the check engine light 250 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: came on. I would also pop up a light that says, 251 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: don't go out and turn the gas cap because sometimes 252 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: you fix the car and we don't know it. So 253 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: that's a problem. So evaporative emissions, think of a gas 254 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: can sitting on the floor of your driveway, sitting on 255 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: the ground in your driveway. If you had that gas 256 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: can and the you know, it was sealed up, the 257 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: caps were on and and nothing would you know, spill 258 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: out if you knocked it over. What would happen is 259 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: that set in the sun kaboom, Right, It would eventually 260 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: bulk up and it would expand from heat. So cars 261 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: are the same way. Right, Vehicles have gas in the 262 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: tank and they're sitting in the driveway under extreme heat 263 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: in some cases, depending upon where they are. We've got 264 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: to have a way to vent the fuel system. But 265 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: venting the fuel system to atmosphere is a strict No, No, 266 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: federal government doesn't like that for all the obvious reasons. 267 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: I worried about the environment. So we've got to do 268 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: it on a technology basis where we control the fumes 269 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: and where they go. So we're gonna add a couple 270 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: of things to that gas can in your driveway. We're 271 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: gonna add a vent valve. E vent valve will release 272 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: pressure from the gas can, but we're gonna force the 273 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: tube that the vent valve is attached to in the 274 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: middle of the gas can and the vent valve. We're 275 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: going to put a canister filled with charcoal. So just 276 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: like that fish tank you had as a kid, the 277 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: fumes will filter through the canister, be cleansed by the charcoal, 278 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: absorbed by the charcoal, and if the computer decides to 279 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: open up the vent, because you knew there was going 280 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: to be a computer involved in here, somewhere along the way, 281 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: it's going to open the vent and you know, lit 282 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: fresh air. Now, most systems do not vent out the vent. 283 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: They just allow fresh air in to help clear out 284 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and scavenge fumes in the canister. So where do the 285 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: fumes really go. Well, on the other side of that 286 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: gas can, you've got sitting in your driveway and you're 287 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to release pressure. You're going 288 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: to put a tube that runs up to the engine, 289 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: and just as that tube gets to the engine, you're 290 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: going to put a purge valve also controlled by the computer. 291 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: So when the computer wants to, if that gas can 292 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: in your driveway was now your gas tank. Now if 293 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: you now, if the computer wants to at the right moment, 294 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: it can open up the vent to allow fresh air in. 295 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: It can open up the purge to allow engine vacuum 296 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: to pull fumes from the canister and clear out and 297 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: put them in a proper place so that they either 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: burn or get you know, lost in the engine exhaust, 299 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: et cetera. It's not just venting it the atmosphere. So 300 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: a four fifties six league is a small evaporative emissions 301 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: leak standard rule. We want to look for leaks. So 302 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: one of the things we do on this particular model 303 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: is we will smoke it. We have a a smoke machine. 304 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: You've heard the name before. It's the proper kind of 305 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: smoke that it's not going to damage vehicle emission components. 306 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: I know some guys are out there using smoke machines 307 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: from their disco days are using old discotheque, and they 308 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: are they're using discotheque anything that produces smoke looking for 309 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: a leak. There's a lot of problems with that, one 310 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: of which it is an incorrect based chemical smoke that 311 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: it can damage the system and saturate charcoal canisters. But 312 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: more importantly, there's no Usually there's or generally there's no 313 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: pressure gage or or um internal pressure gates to see 314 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: do you have flow? Don't you? They're just looking for smoke. 315 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: A good modern smoke machine will flow smoke and will 316 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: also show you a flow meter. Does the system show 317 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: resistance such that it's it's how big is the leak? 318 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: You can actually measure it with a monometer on the 319 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: side of the machine. This particular jeep showed a vacuum 320 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: leak or a smoke leak in very small proportion. At 321 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: the fuel cap. The cap wasn't loose. Haha, gotcha, you 322 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna say the camp was loose. The 323 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: cap wasn't loose, but it had a rust blister. That 324 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: rust rust never sleeps. It had a rust blister where 325 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: the cap seals against the neck. Now there's one other 326 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: part of this system that I want to talk about, 327 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: because yes, I I cleaned up the rust and I 328 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: put a fresh fuel cap on a hundred thousand mile, 329 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: five year old vehicle because the seal was on the 330 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 1: ruver on the fuel cap was all rock hard and 331 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: getting tired, and it was beat up by the rust, 332 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, from screwing it on and off so many times. 333 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: But there's also something on this particular jeep called an 334 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: e M I S Module of Operative Evaporative Module Integrity System. 335 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: I believe is what it stands for. E M I 336 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: S UM. We'll talk about it when I come back. 337 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: Stay tuned. I'm wrn nat in the car doctor. Don't 338 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: go away. It's not gonna patch that she was laying there. 339 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: She woke up and took me by the hand. She's 340 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: gonna love me and my vy van and that's all 341 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: nine with me. Welcome back. We're on Nating the car 342 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: Doctor at five five zero nine nine zero zero. So 343 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: we were talking about this Patriot that UM was in 344 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: the shop this weekend and uh, you know, had its 345 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: had its evaporative emission system issues and UM I was 346 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: getting my thoughts a little backwards there before the break 347 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: it's an evaporative system Integrity module e S. I M. 348 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: I think I was saying it the other way around. UM. 349 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: And what this does is this is the device that 350 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: is attached to the canister that measures state of system 351 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: vacuum and or pressure. And the interesting thing, and this 352 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: is why I'm telling you all this, because there's a 353 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: method to my madness here. Um. You know, when I 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: found the smoke leak at the gas cap, then I 355 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: pulled the cap off and I found a tiny little 356 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: rust blister on the neck, took out some memory, polished 357 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: the rust out, put a fresh cap on it, leak, 358 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: checked it again. Solve that. But I still had my 359 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: concerns with the ESAM simply because they have such a 360 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: high failure rate. You know. It's it's almost to the 361 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: point that I think evaporative System Integrity Modules ESUMS on 362 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Chrysler products of this year in vintage, I don't know, 363 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: the fifty six bucks. I think it becomes part of 364 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: a normal service at nine miles. I really do, because 365 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: I think it's going to save you money in the 366 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: long run instead of having to go through a diagnosis. 367 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: Although you know, the argument can be made new doesn't 368 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: necessarily mean good, but it clearly gives you the ability to, 369 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: I think, eliminate the obvious. Because the way this system works, 370 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: how does the system know whether or not it has 371 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: a leak. The ev APP monitor on this Jeep Patriot 372 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: runs at night. It works like TOM. It doesn't work 373 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: during the day. It's a it's a TOM system where 374 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: it will work only at night while you're sleeping, and 375 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: we think TOM is well this EVAPP system to keep 376 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: it straight, this EVAPP system is actually running its monitor 377 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: when the vehicles off for an X number of hours, 378 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: four six or eight hours. Whatever it is they're looking at, 379 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: because this is a natural vacuum leak detection system. They're 380 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: they're looking at under the right conditions, how much pressure 381 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: or vacuum state the ESAM, the evaporative system integrity module 382 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: is in. And I know this sounds complicated, and it 383 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: is a fairly simple system. But this is what we 384 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: go through is mechanics to fix um. It looks at 385 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: the ASAM and it's looking for a change of state 386 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: based on system vacuum, more pressure. And my point becomes, 387 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: as I found out with this vehicle, I couldn't run 388 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: the monitor on the road test. I had to clear codes, 389 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: go take it for a ride. Because this vehicle is 390 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: also four months overdue for New Jersey state inspection, so 391 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: I had to get it through inspection before I gave 392 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: it back to the customer. We had to get the 393 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: monitors to run, so it required three No, I take 394 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: that back. It required four days a dated diagnose, two 395 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: days to get parts out of Chrystler because there's nothing 396 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: available right We're waiting on parts all day long. The 397 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: supply chain is what it is. And then another day 398 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: to actually schedule it into the into the rotation for 399 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the shop that day, and then work on it. But 400 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 1: then when I'm done and I've changed my parts, and 401 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: you know, I want to go, I want to go 402 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: run the monitor as it were driving. It doesn't run 403 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: the monitor. Driving it to a correct stop point, runs 404 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: the monitor, and then you have to park it, leave 405 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: it overnight, come back in the next day and see 406 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: if it ran, which it did in this case, it 407 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: was four days. It was four days to fix this vehicle. 408 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Not that we worked on it every day, not that 409 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: we worked on it every minute of every day, but 410 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: it just requires certain time frames. And I think that's 411 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: my point that I want to express to you. When 412 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: your mechanics says, hey, it's gonna take a couple of days, 413 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: it's no reflection necessarily on their ability or how difficult 414 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: the job is. There are certain parameters that that vehicle 415 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: computer lays out that says, hey, you've got to do 416 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: it in this manner by this process. You can't speed 417 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: it up. There's no way to cheat that on a 418 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: sixteen jeep like it is on a lot of Chryslers, 419 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: on a lot of vehicles. When the when the monitor 420 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: that the evaporative emissions monitor is going to run late 421 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: at night and look for leaks, it has to run. 422 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: That's just the way it works in order for it 423 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: to get a pass, because otherwise it's just it just 424 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: it just doesn't go anywhere. Um. Bottom line, technology is great. 425 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: This was a pain in the neck. But you know 426 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: there there there some of them are like that. Um. 427 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: But with a little bit of determination and rolling up 428 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: our sleeves, we're able to get this car back on 429 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: the road. And my point becomes, if your mechanics hanging 430 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: onto the car, ask them what they're doing. Is there 431 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: a reason why they're hanging on is it? Are they 432 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: waiting for parts? Are they waiting for more information. Are 433 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: they waiting for the car to take an active part 434 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: or do something as part of the repair process. I e. 435 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: Run the monitor at two o'clock in the morning to 436 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: see if the system has integrity. UM it did, it passed. 437 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: We're good. UM, so just not everything is as it 438 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: appears to be. UM. I want to talk about this 439 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: letter that that Stevie sent us. And you know Steve 440 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: full disclosure, he's a regular listener down Virginia Way. UM, 441 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: he's actually been to the shop a few times. And 442 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: um he wrote us a very nice card. Ron, thanks 443 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,239 Speaker 1: for having me on the on air and for your 444 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: good advice. As always, if only out of necessity, I'll 445 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: be keeping the Civic for the indefinite future. There's a 446 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: little to bide. Newer used I wish I had I 447 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: wish I had looked into I wish I had looked 448 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: into it. A week ago a comment I didn't make 449 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: car shield has an F rating, and do we talk 450 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: about car shield? I don't remember that. Maybe it's an 451 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 1: extend warranty company with a better business bureau. Typical warranties 452 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: around a hundred and thirty a month, with a hundred 453 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: dollars deductible. Um, I'd like to see a hundred dollar 454 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: a year with a thousand dollars deductable. The same for 455 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: dental insurance. You don't see that either, you know, I don't. 456 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: We don't do dental insuran and do dental insurance here 457 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: in Jersey. UM, Steve from Roanoke, Virginia. PS. You won't recall, 458 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: but years ago on Sunday, I remember this. But years 459 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: ago on Sunday, I said I'm ditching church to listen 460 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: to you. And you said something like, Steve, don't do that. 461 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: And I did say that because I don't want you 462 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: to ditch church to listen to the car doctor. Pick 463 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: up a podcast and podcast to show for the record, 464 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: I've attended. I've attended church regularly now, including online during 465 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: the heights of the pandemic for the past two and 466 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: a half years. I wish I had been there for 467 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: the past fifty Steve, I am very happy for you 468 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: that you've you've you've taken to attending church on a 469 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: regular basis. And the back of the card, he wrote 470 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: me a little note. The cars may be printed maybe, 471 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: but maybe printed in China, but don't let them catch 472 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: you with one of these. Um uh just interesting, so 473 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: interesting printed in China, Steve always an interesting, always an 474 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: interesting pile of comments. Let's pull over and take a 475 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: pause five five zero zero run on any of the 476 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: Car Doctor coming back right after this flucome back run 477 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: named the Car Doctor here at eight zero zero. By 478 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: the way, more information about this radio show is of 479 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: elbow at Car Doctor show dot com. Just like it sounds, 480 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: c A R D O C t O R Car 481 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Show dot com. 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You can 490 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: call us and talk to us in the studio whether 491 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: or not you can hear us live two to four 492 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: pm Saturday, Eastern Time, because that's when we do the 493 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: show live. And uh, we can hook you up at 494 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: the five number. I want to talk real quick before 495 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: we go anywhere else, a little bit about cooling system service, 496 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: especially this time of year. Um, you know, it's it's 497 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: not a great economy. We're all trying to save a 498 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: couple of bucks. And maybe you're going to do some 499 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of a cooling system service at drain and filler. 500 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Maybe you've done a cooling system repair and you've had 501 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: to replace the coolant that you drained out of the system. UM, 502 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about refilling the 503 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: cooling system because in a lot of cases today, more 504 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: often than not, the vehicle requires a very specific coolant 505 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: refill and air bleed procedure. It's not something as simple 506 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: as just you know, pour it out, you know, drain 507 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: it out, put pour it in, and you're done. So, 508 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, it would be nice if you could reference 509 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: You may find information in your owner's manual, in the 510 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: glove box, you may find information online. It would be 511 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: nice if you could reference something like an all Data 512 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: or perhaps a Mitchell Information System, something that will give 513 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,120 Speaker 1: you access to information, so you know, procedure, how much 514 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: do you put in? Um? You know, how do you 515 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: bleed the air? Because there's always gonna be a cause 516 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: or a need to have to UH to have to 517 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: bleed air out of the system. UM. It might even 518 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: be that, being is this time of year, perhaps you 519 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: want to get that or purchase for that person that 520 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: you're UM, you know, purchasing for maybe they do their 521 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: own maintenance and service. Be a good time of the 522 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: year to take a look at a cooling system. UH 523 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: refil machine will attach to a radiator capito hose. It 524 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: will extract and pull a vacuum on the system. It's 525 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: also returned to sometimes as a cooling system film machine 526 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: that will pull vacuum out of the system and then 527 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: automatically suck cooling in through another hose on the other 528 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: side of it. It's a little hard to explain, but 529 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: if you saw it, you'd get it. UM, it's building vacuum. 530 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: You're gonna open a valve and suck coolingt in and 531 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: it goes in very quick and easy. But don't assume 532 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: that unless it's an older vehicle, that every vehicle has 533 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: a quick and easy cool and filled procedure, is my point. UM. 534 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: You also want to make sure you're putting the right 535 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: kind of coolingt in. UM. You can get a frame 536 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: of reference, go out to a Rileyoto dot com. They'll 537 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: list coolant by your vehicle. There are several other ways 538 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: to do it as well online different sources. But you 539 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: want to make sure you're putting the right stuff in. 540 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: Don't just go by color. What if last guy put 541 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: the wrong stuff in and you bought the car? Use 542 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: were the last guy? Um? You know, just the cooling 543 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: and so dirty that you can't um uh tell what 544 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: color the cooling is supposed to be. So don't just 545 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: assume that everybody did something right, because I've learned that 546 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: over time, it just kind of happens that way. Let's 547 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: let's go over to Seth in Louisiana. I'm sorry to 548 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: keep you waiting there so long, Seth, I just wanted 549 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: to get that stuff out. Oh eight, Malibu in the 550 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: a C is not blowing cold, Seth, welcome a board. 551 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: How gonna help? Uh? Every Saturday, I listened to the 552 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: channel every day. Um the first time caller. Uh, so 553 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: I do have a problem. I have Malibu. I was driving. 554 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the temperature on the motor slam 555 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: the code and my a C went hot, so both 556 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: of them stopped working. Um at the same time. Okay, 557 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the engine first. Do you have heat? 558 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Do I have? Right? Did you try heat to see 559 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: if the engine will produce heat? Okay? You have heat? 560 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: All right? Um? Is there any other warning lights on 561 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: the dashboard, check engine or anything like that. Yeah, they 562 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: do have a check engine that I did hook up 563 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: at O'Reilly and it did call for a catalytic converter 564 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: or like a COOT sensor. So they gave me, umtata 565 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: clean okay, and I just I just put that in 566 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: there too, Uh, clean that out. They said they are 567 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: some people swear by and it can work. We used 568 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: some we we've had cases where we've had to use 569 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: similar products like that, you know, on an older vehicle 570 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: with higher mileage, where perhaps that you know, you can't 571 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: justify the two thousand dollars to replace a cat, so 572 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: you've got to, you know, you've got to do something 573 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: to try and get the light out to get the 574 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: cat back to efficiency. Truth be told. I keep hearing 575 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: stories about that most cats do fail as a result 576 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: of being coded in terminal internally, either from coolant or 577 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: oil consumption oil loss. The engine itself burns oil and 578 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: then it builds up, it gets onto the cat and 579 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: then becomes a hard, crusty substance such that it can't 580 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: allow the cat. The cat just doesn't work right. It 581 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: doesn't react correctly storing oxygen and releasing it and so forth. UM. 582 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit though about the engine, 583 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, showing cold. If you were to get out 584 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: when the engine is running, and with the engine running, 585 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: lift the hood, if you feel that upper radiator hoses 586 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: it's still warm, Um, I'd have to start it up 587 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: in look at a real quick Just curious because what 588 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm thinking about is the reason the gauge 589 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: is showing cold is perhaps that warning system has a problem. 590 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Sounds like it does. If the engine never seems to 591 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,239 Speaker 1: warm up, is it possible, you know? And that's why 592 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: I want to know. If the upper radiator hoses hot 593 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: to the touch after the vehicle has been run to 594 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: timp butture almost uncomfortable where you you know, like, yeah, 595 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: I can't hold it really for longer than five or 596 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: six seconds, then I'm gonna say engine temp is okay. 597 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: The sender or the control device is reporting a failure 598 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: that may or may not be there. It may just 599 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: be a bad sender and Is it possible because it's 600 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: based on cooling temp. I'd love to pull codes. Is 601 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: there a computer commands keeping the A C compressor from 602 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: coming on as a result of the cooling system issue? 603 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: That's what I was. It's possible. You know you're this. 604 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: This is a strategy question, whether you realize it or not. There, Seth, Um, 605 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: this is all about um. One quick question. Let's say, 606 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: all right, I have the hood open, he said, the 607 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: hose was which was hot? The upper the upper radiator 608 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: host on that Malibu. It's gonna come across the front 609 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: of the radiator and reach into the thermostat housing over 610 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: on the driver's side. How long is that? How long 611 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 1: is the enginemen running? And has been running for almost 612 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: all day? Okay, so I have tell you what, Seth. 613 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: Sitting tight over and take a pause. You stay right there, 614 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: keep your hand off the host till I get back, 615 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. I'm running any in the 616 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: car doctor, don't go anywhere. We're back right after this. 617 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: Welcome back run name of the car doctor. Here we're 618 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: on with Seth and Louisiana zoeh Chevy Malibu. Seth, I 619 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: gotta be quick. I got a couple of minutes this 620 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Malibu V six or four V six or four cylinder 621 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: V six. So the upper radiator hose runs across the 622 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: top of the radiator coming out of the water neck 623 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: on the driver's side of the vehicle, has been running 624 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: longer than twenty minutes, that host should be warm, hot, 625 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: almost to the point it's uncomfortable to hang onto with 626 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: your bare hand, is it. It's not that hoses cold 627 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: cool you're saying, the one that's coming off of the radiator, 628 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: the bottom, the top, on the top, the top of 629 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: if I put my hand on it, yeah, it gets 630 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: it gets uncomfortable, right, Yeah, be careful, all right, be careful, 631 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: but it gets uncomfortable. So the engine's got good temperature. 632 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: There's your there's your free scan tool analysis. Right. Um. 633 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: So now you're saying that the temperature gauge on the 634 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: dashboard is showing that the engine is always cold. Right, 635 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: So my next step, my next step would be and 636 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: the reason I believe that's withholding the A C compressor 637 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: is because if the vehicle computer sees cold air, if 638 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: it sees less than thirty five degrees on that vehicle, 639 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: it's not going to turn on the A C compressor. 640 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it Why wouldn't it thinks it's cold, right right, 641 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: And it's also it's also going to do this. It's 642 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: also going to do the same thing from the ambient 643 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: air temperature sensor. Right, It's gonna think that the vehicle 644 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: is cold. So now we've got to get a scan 645 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: tool hook up, see what ambient and cooler temperature sensor 646 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: readings are and diagnosed accordingly if they're less than thirty 647 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: five degrees. Let's fix the temperature problem first and maybe 648 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: the A C problem goes away on its own. Do that. 649 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: Call me back next week if you need more. Until then, 650 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: I'm running any of the card Ift're reminding you good 651 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless. See you