WEBVTT - What's Going to Happen to DACA? 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:22.400 Picture a house. The house is built on a shaky foundation. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:30.440 The exterior is run down, the roof is filled with holes, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:36.360 the wood frame is starting to rock, the floors creak. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.360 Being inside of it, surrounded by all its problems, creates 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:48.000 a constant state of unease. It feels like it might 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:52.080 collapse at any moment, like from one second to the next, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:57.080 it might crumble and bury everyone that lives here under 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:04.360 the rubble. In spite of everything wrong with it, this decrepit, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:14.199 dilapidated house provides shelter, even if it's only temporary. DACA 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.360 is like this house, and the programs recipients that live 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:24.920 inside it are constantly on edge. This house is definitely 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:30.800 not perfect, but it serves a purpose. It grants streamers 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:36.080 a few extra years of relief, protecting them from deportation. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:43.280 Those DOCCA recipients, as we've discussed this season, aren't just 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.840 loose threads in the fabric of our communities. They're a 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:55.640 vital part in creating a rich tapestry. But it's time 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:03.400 for a remodel. It's time for DACA beneficiaries to feel 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.480 safe at home, and not just in two year increments. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:15.200 I America Lindo. 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.040 I'm Patti Rodriguez. This is Out of the Shadows, a 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.400 podcast about America's tangled history of immigration. Last season, we 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.600 tackled Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty six Amnesty Act. This season, 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.800 we're tracing the origins of DACA, or Deferred Action for 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.760 Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect undocumented young 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:36.720 people from being. 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.640 Deported issued by former President Barack Obama in twenty twelve. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.160 DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.880 a broken immigration system. It was like putting a bucket 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.720 under a leaky roof, But with multiple Supreme Court challenges 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.799 and looming presidential elections, the root feels like it may 0:02:55.840 --> 0:03:00.040 collapse at any moment, impacting the US economy and a 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.560 American culture as we know it. Meanwhile, the future of 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.760 millions of lives aims in the balance. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:22.200 Welcome to Out of the Shadows Dreamers. If you look 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:26.119 at DACA as just the program created by President Obama, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.880 it's hard to see the deep history of social organizing 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.400 that went down behind the scenes. The aim of this 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.720 season was to get people to understand that DOACA only 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.720 exists because of the efforts of the dreamer movement. The 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:46.320 only problem is that doaca's future isn't promised. For all 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:51.480 their years of strategy and protesting, the government responded with 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:57.960 a temporary solution that's worn out its elasticity. Let's briefly 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.240 recap the history lead me to DOCA. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:07.280 Getting DACA accomplished started for me at least in that 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:11.040 huge wave of immigration protests and around two thousand and six. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.800 That's Texas Congressman Joaquin Castro who believes the two thousand 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.960 and six marches laid the seeds for the dreamer movement. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.400 If you remember, there were hundreds of thousands of people 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.400 that showed up in cities like Los Angeles and Dallas 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:30.920 and so many other places, and it was young people. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.600 I mean, it was like heavily young people that were 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:39.400 coming out and marching on the streets. And you know, 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:42.680 I could be wrong, but I struggled to recall a 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:46.039 time since the nineteen sixties and early seventies, both the 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.520 civil rights movement of the time and the anti war 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:52.640 movement since then, where you had this large group of 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.839 young Americans, young young folks, right, who are as American 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.000 as any of us, but we're struggling to achieve legal staff, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.640 we're coming out onto the streets in protest. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.840 That view is echoed by Maria Inhosa, the Pulitzer Prize 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.680 winning journalists and hosts of Latino USA. 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.600 What this country witnessed with the movement of the Dreamers 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.599 really is extraordinary. It is not, in any way, shape 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.120 or form given the credit that it deserves in terms 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.880 of being an essential part of the greater civil rights 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.479 movement of the United States of America. What these young 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:39.720 people did by putting themselves on the line literally, it 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.200 was following in the footsteps of great civil rights activists 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:44.799 of our time. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.400 The road to Dhaka was paved by years of organizing, 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.559 years of commanding people to pay attention to the plight 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.680 of young immigrant students we know today as Dreamers. When 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.360 the Dream Act failed through the late two thousand into 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.640 the twenty tents, it sparked a movement of young undocumented 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:10.880 immigrants demanding to be recognized. They forced the public to 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:17.080 understand the Dreamers are American. They proclaimed that this is 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:20.039 their country and it is the only home they know. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.760 Dreamers use demonstrations and acts of civil disobedience to pressure 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:30.159 politicians to fix our unfortunate immigration system. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.960 Dreamers put their safety on the line, crashing the offices 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:43.120 of politicians like John McCain and eventually President Obama. Dreamers 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:47.160 were crafty. They quickly figured out how to strategize and 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:52.960 use public attention to prevent removal proceedings. There was safety 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.880 in visibility. They kept the pressures so high for years 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.960 that something needed to be done, and by twenty twelve 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:06.400 Obama issued DACA. But DACA didn't magically solve all the Dreamers' problems. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.960 In fact, it ramped up the movement for some. Organizers 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.920 continued to put a spotlight on the people left out 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.800 of the program, culminating in a big demonstration called the 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:23.200 Dream Nine. In twenty thirteen, Dreamers performed an act of 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.120 self deportation and were detained for over two weeks. A 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:33.240 year later, pressure from immigration advocates continued, and President Obama 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:39.400 announced an expansion of deportation protection known as DAPPA. Sadly, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.920 it failed in the following years, and conservatives set their 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:48.520 eyes on DACA, and in twenty seventeen, the Trump administration 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.600 ended it, but a brave group of lawyers, one of 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:57.040 which was DOCA recipient Luis cortesro Meto, defeated Trump in 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:00.200 the courts and helped bring DACA back to life in 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:06.800 twenty twenty. In July twenty twenty one, Texas Judge Andrew 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:13.440 Hennon declared DACA unlawful. From there it bounced around. The 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:17.560 Biden administration appealed to Texas decision and gave its final 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:22.320 rule on the program, working to quote fortify it, basically 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:27.920 formalizing and saving DACA for now. At the end of 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:33.160 twenty twenty two, that rule went into effect. No new 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.480 applications can be accepted because of Hannan's injunction, so people 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.040 who have DACA can continue to renew, but other eligible 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:48.280 Dreamers can't even apply for it, creating a whole new 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.760 division even among the Dreamers, those who have DAKA meaning 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:57.280 a work permit, a Social Security card all that, and 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:01.200 those who must remain in the sh shadows. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.280 Now we're in twenty twenty three, eleven years of DOCA, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.120 One common issue is that recipients have a hard time 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.040 getting health insurance, especially those that lost their jobs during 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.319 the pandemic. According to the US Department of Health and 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:24.320 Human Services, thirty four percent of DOCA beneficiaries don't have insurance. 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:29.439 As a response, President Joe Biden announced in April twenty 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:34.400 twenty three that federal health care services will expand to 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:39.400 DOCA holders. Here's the video announcement Biden shared on social media. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.800 So today my administration is announcing our plan to expand 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.600 health coverage for DOCA recipients by allowing them to roll 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:48.320 on a plan. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.000 Through the Affordable Care Act or through Medicaid. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.760 Healthcare should be right, not a privilege. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.440 The truth is that even though DOCA came back to 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:04.559 life End for good more on that after the break. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.720 In June of twenty twenty three, even though the Supreme 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.080 Court held that Texas doesn't have the standing to sue 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:41.240 over Biden's immigration policy, DACA isn't safe. Cases challenging DACA 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:45.280 are moving through the system seemingly every year, and in 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:49.440 twenty twenty four there will be another presidential election. Who 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.000 knows what another president might do if elected. We need 0:10:53.040 --> 0:11:00.199 Congress to pass legislation, and Congressman Castro is optimistic, but I. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.960 Do think that there was an expectation that Congress would 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:06.120 get it done, and then Congress failed to get it done. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:10.360 You know, even though for dreamers, you've got ninety percent 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:14.840 of the country that supports their path to citizenship, you know, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.400 and so to me, it's as much an indictment as 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:22.839 anything of the political system and of Congress as anything else. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.040 It's pretty wild to think that all that public struggle 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.040 the Dreamers went through, all that energy poured into stopping 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:36.000 deportations and getting people to care about immigration, could vanish 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.520 in an instant if DACA goes away. And what's worse, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.400 Erica and Iola, one of the Dreamers who fought to 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:49.240 get DOCA passed. Here's the immigrant rights movement is slowing down. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.440 I think even though we have a huge sort of 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.760 ecosystem and the imigrant rights movement, I think we're still 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.480 we're missing, you know, the the ability to organize the 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.599 immigrant community, to get people to really stand up and 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.480 improve to this country that we are human. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:14.640 The conversation around immigration continues to be polarizing and fixed 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.160 on issues at the border. 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.520 We have been losing the narrative so much because I mean, 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.920 we had a person in power for four years who 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.280 I mean it was his daily routine literally to talk 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.640 about how immigrants are harmful to this country and shifted 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.760 the entire focus. And it's unfortunate because immigration is so 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:42.360 much more than that. Immigration is visa holders, it's undocumented people, 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:49.200 it's refugees, is I mean, anything that the immigration system 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.880 deals with. But here we are focused on the border, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.160 focused on this issue that has been extremely polarized. 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.000 But Erica does hang on to a liver of optimism. 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.440 I do have hope that we have a new movement 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.920 that searches, that emerges at some point that can create 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.720 that narrative shift. But right now I think it's just 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:19.080 been really, really hard, because, yeah, the narrative has been 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.720 shifted so much more completely into the border. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:29.000 There's one question that's important to consider. How do organizers 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:34.079 feel about DOTCA in twenty twenty three. They're the ones 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:38.079 who fought to get us here, and even though it's 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:40.800 not perfect, what's it worth it? 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.680 Not to be too egotistical or anything about it, but 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.040 it's just easier to be a part of the Peanut 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.280 Gallery than to sort of be like trashed and tarnished, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.480 and then people still want to replicate the strategies and 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.840 the work without really understanding behind the scenes. 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:02.280 That's more of the Lahy the dream nine. He's understandably 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.800 upset that DOCA didn't go far enough, but also feels 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.240 like the Dreamers don't get enough credit for doing what 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.079 they did to create it. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.720 My overall assessment is a lot of people copied and 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:22.120 replicated our work, and they have not gone further than 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.040 we left them. Everybody still to this day and age, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:29.600 is replicating the same deportation campaigns or actions that we did. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.880 When we did bring them home, Guties's office gave us 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.040 so much shit, and then three months later they replicated 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.880 bring them home with their own constituents. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.760 I think it could have been so much more, and 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.720 it just it was very limited. 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:50.080 Lizabeth Matteo, another member of the Dream Nine, has mixed 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.120 feelings about DACA. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:56.800 Some people have made amazing careers, have built amazing careers 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.880 because they're able to work legally, so I can't be 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.440 too mad at the program. So I do hope that 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.920 it stays. But I do hope that also young people 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.040 that are doctor recipients and those that are not doctor 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.359 recipients understand that this will never be about ten years 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:18.320 of having dhakap great. But we've seen all the challenges 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.520 we see we seeing all the stress that has caught 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.720 in our community among young people who have DAKA and 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.320 those who don't have that can help have been waiting 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.800 for the program to reopen, but. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.320 She agrees with Erica about the current status of the 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:34.720 immigration rights movement. 0:15:35.800 --> 0:15:39.040 So we have to organize, they have to get involved. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.360 I don't see the same level of organized see that 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.560 is so many years ago. And I hope that I'm 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.080 I'm mistaken. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.640 I hope that there's people out there planning something that's 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:53.880 going to shake everything up and make the changes that 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:57.200 we need to see in the legal system. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:01.400 Alina Ronnie, author of Crossing Borders, believes that there is 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.760 a legal solution out there from. 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.240 A political perspective, and I think, you know, as a movement, 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.640 we have we have more allies than we realize. We 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.800 just have to we have to engage them. And I 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:16.600 think that. 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:17.520 We've got to do that. 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.360 With the greater level of urgency as a movement, we 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.680 could have been more savvy and sophisticated about sitting down 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.920 with people and helping people understand that, Okay, Trump may 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.080 be gone, but this is an issue that still needs 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.320 to be resolved, and we need to resolve that ultimately 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:35.240 in a bipartisan way. 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.000 The last time immigration reform came from Congress back in 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:44.760 nineteen eighty six, it was a bipartisan effort, nearly three 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:47.160 million people got a path to a green card and 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:51.960 even citizenship with our goal that was almost forty years ago. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.240 The system is broken and we need to change the system. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.480 That's renowned journalist Hojote Ramos. He's seen the fight for 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.800 immigration from the front lines as a reporter and news anchor, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.720 and it's been a rough view. Ramos believes DAGA needs 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.160 to go further because it doesn't even begin to address 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.119 the problem with our current immigration system. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.280 Instead of accepting one million legal immigrants a year, we 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.560 need to go to two million immigrants a year or 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.360 maybe more, because the way the system is working right 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.400 now is leaving many who deserve to be in this country, 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:36.639 who are hiding, who are fearing persecution in the country 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.080 of origin, out of the system. 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.919 One place the broken immigration system seems to always be 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:48.480 a shit show is Florida, especially now that Florida Man 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:49.800 is the governor there. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.240 We believe that borders matter, and we have fought against 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:58.000 illegal immigration in the state of Florida, from banning sanctuary 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.120 cities to suing the Biden a minute fustration over its 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:06.399 catch and release policies, to transporting illegal aliens to sanctuary jurisdictions. 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:09.840 We have put Floridians first and we will continue to 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:10.159 do that. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.280 More on that. After the break. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.800 In twenty twenty three, just as he was considering a 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.080 run for president, Florida Governor Ron de Santis signed SB 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:59.640 seventeen eighteen, which targets on documented immigrants. They're families, friends, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:04.760 and anyone who helps them out. Here's doctor, lawyer Luis 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:05.960 Cortes Romero. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:13.880 They have effectively made it a criminal penalty for not 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.560 just for the immigrants themselves to be there and to work, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.280 to work if they have status they don't have status, 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:23.560 but also to anybody who gives them a ride and 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.919 transports them, anybody who hires them. Like it's a really 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.359 broad piece of legislation. So if you're in a car 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.280 and you know that the person in the car doesn't 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.040 have status, and you're giving them a right somewhere, you 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:41.080 are now subject to jail and find and so it 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:43.240 creates this kind of weird social paranoia. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:48.720 That paranoia led many Latinos to leave the state. 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:55.680 We saw like the mass exoduses that happened when people left, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.719 and you know, it has a wide ripple effect. I 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:00.840 hear a lot of people talk about just leaving and 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.679 self supporting because they're scared and they're nervous and they 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:08.600 don't know what to do. They're leaving to other states 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:10.320 and trying to kind of restart. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.040 Because of the reaction by people to the Florida Bill, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.000 Louise says it could actually help the cause in the 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:20.520 long run. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.720 What's interesting about Florida is that I think we're going 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:30.600 to see what the potentially unintended consequences were from this legislature. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:31.639 I know that a. 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.760 Lot of its labor force has left. There's a lot 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.280 of agricultural work in Florida that seems to be suffering, 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:43.240 a lot of construction work that seems to be suffering, 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.320 and so I'm very curious to see at what point 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:48.960 that's going to catch up to them. And money talks, 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.040 you know, this is I think a time where maybe 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.879 businesses are going to get involved in saying, hey, like 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.080 I get it that you might be anti immigrant, but 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.320 this is now impacting our bottom line, and if you're 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:02.360 impacting our bottom line, we may leave Florida. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.720 Raquel Fedan on this, a lawyer and immigration advocate, had 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.359 to change her travel plans to Florida after hearing about 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:11.960 the news. 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.240 Latinos love to go to Florida. I mean one of 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.480 the main questions that I've received me being from North Carolina. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:21.960 I go to church and every Sunday, you know, I 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.639 get questions from people like, hey, we have this trip 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.879 planned to Disney World, or you know, we have this 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.480 trip plan, we have the flights booked and everything, like 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.560 should I go to Florida? 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.800 Raquel says people with immigrant families or friends, or who 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.280 are immigrants themselves are right to be worried about going 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.400 to Florida. With SB seventeen eighteen in place. 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.199 It's definitely one of the biggest anti immigrant bills that 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.399 have become law in the entire history of immigration. And 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.399 it's something that's truly scary. Because Governor DeSantis is running 0:21:56.440 --> 0:21:58.160 for president in twenty twenty. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:03.159 Four, she thinks it's time we call on celebrities to 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.920 be vocal about this issue. 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:10.000 My call is for greater celebrities to be able to 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.240 also use their platforms and boycott Florida, boycott Florida products 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.400 in order to show the power that we have. And 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.960 you know what, do some people care about Some people 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:23.920 don't want to hear our stories, but some people will 0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.920 care about how this affects the economy and DOCA recipients. 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:33.119 They definitely contribute to the economy. Immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.560 contribute to the economy of Florida and every single state. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:41.520 But Florida isn't the only state targeting immigrants. 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:47.560 There's other states who are passing like licensing legislature where 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.960 folks with our status can get licenses, driver's licenses and 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.480 different things like that. So the states really are coming 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.760 in pretty hard, I think as a reaction to President Biden. 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.000 Biden is up for reelection in twenty twenty four and 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.479 he could lose to someone like DeSantis or even Trump. 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.120 Eleven years of living in limbo has a way of 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.440 chipping away at your mental. 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.720 To be honest with you, I try not to check 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:29.080 that often on like that outdates. It's such an overwhelming 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:31.960 thought for me to even think about what would happen 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:33.959 if they do do away with it and I'm unable 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.080 to work, and what would that mean in my life? 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:39.120 What would I have to, you know, do or whatnot 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.000 that I try not to really think about it that 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.120 much because it becomes sort of like paralyzing. 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:44.919 You know. 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:48.639 That's film critic Carlos Aguilar again. 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.240 For a second, I allowed myself to be very hopeful. 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:55.080 I was like, Okay, Biden got elected, It's gonna happen. 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.320 I didn't even think he was going to win, you know, 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.359 for a few weeks, months maybe, But now that is 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:03.280 been in almost three years and nothing has happened for 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.520 DAKA recipients, dreamers, quote unquote, and then you have to 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.879 think about the other eleven million people that wouldn't get anything, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:15.360 and so it's it's a yeah, it's overwhelming, complicated, sort 0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.960 of you know, mix of feelings that comes when you 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:19.800 try to be hopeful. 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:26.240 Unfortunately, mo Ab the Lahi doesn't have a lot of hope. 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.879 During the Trump administration, we won deferred action on seven 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:34.160 different cases all throughout the time that everyone was saying, 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.679 we're all hope, we're hopeless, we're lost, we need to resist. 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:42.359 It was the most backward logic that could have existed, 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.879 and that's just unfortunately the reality that we live in. 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:54.639 So immigrants are fucked and there's no chance for immigration reform. 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:58.560 For Louis, who fought in court and won major cases 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:03.560 and smaller ones for documented immigrants like himself, he sees 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:06.200 the incremental change that's important. 0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.040 One thing thing I lose said on is is that 0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.479 although there hasn't been quite a lot of progress in 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:15.600 the legal sphere of immigrants rights, right, we haven't had 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.720 a big change in laws in a while. In a 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.480 long while, there has been progress being made. I think 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.960 more socially, people know what dreamers are. If you tell 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.200 someone's dreamer, I think is a pretty well known word. 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:26.520 Now. 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.919 I'm familiar with kind of the critiques of the dreamer 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.040 narrative and how the complications of that, But I think 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:38.639 really my broader point is is that the social discussion 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:43.360 around immigrants has progressed and quite significantly, and I think 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.240 that that's a step in the right direction. Of course, 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:46.879 we're going to need the loss to back that up. 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:48.840 I try to be mindful of those progresses too. 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.720 A decade ago, Luis's status meant that he wouldn't be 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.760 able to practice law. He knows what it's like to 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.320 have little hope. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.320 They kept telling me you're not gonna be able to practice. 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.840 Things seem really bleak, then too, really bleak then too. 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.200 But these days, now that he's a practicing lawyer, thinks 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.440 to DACA he wants to amplify hope. 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.000 I want to make sure that I'm inspiring doing things 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:22.879 that make things hopeful, and that continues, uh, you know, 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.640 picking a fight withather needs to be picked, and being 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.159 rebellious when you need to be rebellious. And and so 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:32.359 I've been on a perspective where things seem pretty bleak 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:35.280 and then I end up arguing at the Supreme Court. Right, 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:36.440 So so. 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:38.320 I have I have. 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.080 That's where my hope comes in, you know, and I 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.600 think maybe I'm just too much of an optimist. 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:49.000 DOCCA holder and small business owner Roller Fo Barrientos also 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:50.200 hangs on to hope. 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.560 If you, as a DACA recipient, I here making it 0:26:55.960 --> 0:27:03.560 whatever it is that you're doing it, you are super valuable. 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:08.720 You have demonstrated that there are very few things that 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:13.240 can stop you because you have gone through so much 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:17.040 and you've still endured and you still hear and you're 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.960 still persevering. And I want to remind every DACA recipient, 0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:25.960 every immigrant out there, that we're incredibly strong, and sometimes 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.240 we forget about that because we're still stuck in what 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:30.640 other people think about us. 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.080 My buddy Eric Guerta was a pioneer of the dreamer movement. 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.560 And the fight for DACA, and now thanks to that movement, 0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.280 he's able to let the fight go a bit. 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:45.040 There's there's sometimes no other way to get through things 0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.480