Speaker 1: Picture a house. The house is built on a shaky foundation.
Speaker 1: The exterior is run down, the roof is filled with holes,
Speaker 1: the wood frame is starting to rock, the floors creak.
Speaker 1: Being inside of it, surrounded by all its problems, creates
Speaker 1: a constant state of unease. It feels like it might
Speaker 1: collapse at any moment, like from one second to the next,
Speaker 1: it might crumble and bury everyone that lives here under
Speaker 1: the rubble. In spite of everything wrong with it, this decrepit,
Speaker 1: dilapidated house provides shelter, even if it's only temporary. DACA
Speaker 1: is like this house, and the programs recipients that live
Speaker 1: inside it are constantly on edge. This house is definitely
Speaker 1: not perfect, but it serves a purpose. It grants streamers
Speaker 1: a few extra years of relief, protecting them from deportation.
Speaker 1: Those DOCCA recipients, as we've discussed this season, aren't just
Speaker 1: loose threads in the fabric of our communities. They're a
Speaker 1: vital part in creating a rich tapestry. But it's time
Speaker 1: for a remodel. It's time for DACA beneficiaries to feel
Speaker 1: safe at home, and not just in two year increments.
Speaker 1: I America Lindo.
Speaker 2: I'm Patti Rodriguez. This is Out of the Shadows, a
Speaker 2: podcast about America's tangled history of immigration. Last season, we
Speaker 2: tackled Ronald Reagan's nineteen eighty six Amnesty Act. This season,
Speaker 2: we're tracing the origins of DACA, or Deferred Action for
Speaker 2: Childhood Arrivals, a contentious executive order to protect undocumented young
Speaker 2: people from being.
Speaker 1: Deported issued by former President Barack Obama in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: DACA was meant to be a temporary stop gap on
Speaker 1: a broken immigration system. It was like putting a bucket
Speaker 1: under a leaky roof, But with multiple Supreme Court challenges
Speaker 1: and looming presidential elections, the root feels like it may
Speaker 1: collapse at any moment, impacting the US economy and a
Speaker 1: American culture as we know it. Meanwhile, the future of
Speaker 1: millions of lives aims in the balance.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Out of the Shadows Dreamers. If you look
Speaker 2: at DACA as just the program created by President Obama,
Speaker 2: it's hard to see the deep history of social organizing
Speaker 2: that went down behind the scenes. The aim of this
Speaker 2: season was to get people to understand that DOACA only
Speaker 2: exists because of the efforts of the dreamer movement. The
Speaker 2: only problem is that doaca's future isn't promised. For all
Speaker 2: their years of strategy and protesting, the government responded with
Speaker 2: a temporary solution that's worn out its elasticity. Let's briefly
Speaker 2: recap the history lead me to DOCA.
Speaker 3: Getting DACA accomplished started for me at least in that
Speaker 3: huge wave of immigration protests and around two thousand and six.
Speaker 2: That's Texas Congressman Joaquin Castro who believes the two thousand
Speaker 2: and six marches laid the seeds for the dreamer movement.
Speaker 3: If you remember, there were hundreds of thousands of people
Speaker 3: that showed up in cities like Los Angeles and Dallas
Speaker 3: and so many other places, and it was young people.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like heavily young people that were
Speaker 3: coming out and marching on the streets. And you know,
Speaker 3: I could be wrong, but I struggled to recall a
Speaker 3: time since the nineteen sixties and early seventies, both the
Speaker 3: civil rights movement of the time and the anti war
Speaker 3: movement since then, where you had this large group of
Speaker 3: young Americans, young young folks, right, who are as American
Speaker 3: as any of us, but we're struggling to achieve legal staff,
Speaker 3: we're coming out onto the streets in protest.
Speaker 2: That view is echoed by Maria Inhosa, the Pulitzer Prize
Speaker 2: winning journalists and hosts of Latino USA.
Speaker 4: What this country witnessed with the movement of the Dreamers
Speaker 4: really is extraordinary. It is not, in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or form given the credit that it deserves in terms
Speaker 4: of being an essential part of the greater civil rights
Speaker 4: movement of the United States of America. What these young
Speaker 4: people did by putting themselves on the line literally, it
Speaker 4: was following in the footsteps of great civil rights activists
Speaker 4: of our time.
Speaker 2: The road to Dhaka was paved by years of organizing,
Speaker 2: years of commanding people to pay attention to the plight
Speaker 2: of young immigrant students we know today as Dreamers. When
Speaker 2: the Dream Act failed through the late two thousand into
Speaker 2: the twenty tents, it sparked a movement of young undocumented
Speaker 2: immigrants demanding to be recognized. They forced the public to
Speaker 2: understand the Dreamers are American. They proclaimed that this is
Speaker 2: their country and it is the only home they know.
Speaker 2: Dreamers use demonstrations and acts of civil disobedience to pressure
Speaker 2: politicians to fix our unfortunate immigration system.
Speaker 1: Dreamers put their safety on the line, crashing the offices
Speaker 1: of politicians like John McCain and eventually President Obama. Dreamers
Speaker 1: were crafty. They quickly figured out how to strategize and
Speaker 1: use public attention to prevent removal proceedings. There was safety
Speaker 1: in visibility. They kept the pressures so high for years
Speaker 1: that something needed to be done, and by twenty twelve
Speaker 1: Obama issued DACA. But DACA didn't magically solve all the Dreamers' problems.
Speaker 1: In fact, it ramped up the movement for some. Organizers
Speaker 1: continued to put a spotlight on the people left out
Speaker 1: of the program, culminating in a big demonstration called the
Speaker 1: Dream Nine. In twenty thirteen, Dreamers performed an act of
Speaker 1: self deportation and were detained for over two weeks. A
Speaker 1: year later, pressure from immigration advocates continued, and President Obama
Speaker 1: announced an expansion of deportation protection known as DAPPA. Sadly,
Speaker 1: it failed in the following years, and conservatives set their
Speaker 1: eyes on DACA, and in twenty seventeen, the Trump administration
Speaker 1: ended it, but a brave group of lawyers, one of
Speaker 1: which was DOCA recipient Luis cortesro Meto, defeated Trump in
Speaker 1: the courts and helped bring DACA back to life in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. In July twenty twenty one, Texas Judge Andrew
Speaker 1: Hennon declared DACA unlawful. From there it bounced around. The
Speaker 1: Biden administration appealed to Texas decision and gave its final
Speaker 1: rule on the program, working to quote fortify it, basically
Speaker 1: formalizing and saving DACA for now. At the end of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, that rule went into effect. No new
Speaker 1: applications can be accepted because of Hannan's injunction, so people
Speaker 1: who have DACA can continue to renew, but other eligible
Speaker 1: Dreamers can't even apply for it, creating a whole new
Speaker 1: division even among the Dreamers, those who have DAKA meaning
Speaker 1: a work permit, a Social Security card all that, and
Speaker 1: those who must remain in the sh shadows.
Speaker 2: Now we're in twenty twenty three, eleven years of DOCA,
Speaker 2: One common issue is that recipients have a hard time
Speaker 2: getting health insurance, especially those that lost their jobs during
Speaker 2: the pandemic. According to the US Department of Health and
Speaker 2: Human Services, thirty four percent of DOCA beneficiaries don't have insurance.
Speaker 2: As a response, President Joe Biden announced in April twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three that federal health care services will expand to
Speaker 2: DOCA holders. Here's the video announcement Biden shared on social media.
Speaker 5: So today my administration is announcing our plan to expand
Speaker 5: health coverage for DOCA recipients by allowing them to roll
Speaker 5: on a plan.
Speaker 3: Through the Affordable Care Act or through Medicaid.
Speaker 5: Healthcare should be right, not a privilege.
Speaker 2: The truth is that even though DOCA came back to
Speaker 2: life End for good more on that after the break.
Speaker 1: In June of twenty twenty three, even though the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court held that Texas doesn't have the standing to sue
Speaker 1: over Biden's immigration policy, DACA isn't safe. Cases challenging DACA
Speaker 1: are moving through the system seemingly every year, and in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four there will be another presidential election. Who
Speaker 1: knows what another president might do if elected. We need
Speaker 1: Congress to pass legislation, and Congressman Castro is optimistic, but I.
Speaker 3: Do think that there was an expectation that Congress would
Speaker 3: get it done, and then Congress failed to get it done.
Speaker 3: You know, even though for dreamers, you've got ninety percent
Speaker 3: of the country that supports their path to citizenship, you know,
Speaker 3: and so to me, it's as much an indictment as
Speaker 3: anything of the political system and of Congress as anything else.
Speaker 1: It's pretty wild to think that all that public struggle
Speaker 1: the Dreamers went through, all that energy poured into stopping
Speaker 1: deportations and getting people to care about immigration, could vanish
Speaker 1: in an instant if DACA goes away. And what's worse,
Speaker 1: Erica and Iola, one of the Dreamers who fought to
Speaker 1: get DOCA passed. Here's the immigrant rights movement is slowing down.
Speaker 5: I think even though we have a huge sort of
Speaker 5: ecosystem and the imigrant rights movement, I think we're still
Speaker 5: we're missing, you know, the the ability to organize the
Speaker 5: immigrant community, to get people to really stand up and
Speaker 5: improve to this country that we are human.
Speaker 1: The conversation around immigration continues to be polarizing and fixed
Speaker 1: on issues at the border.
Speaker 5: We have been losing the narrative so much because I mean,
Speaker 5: we had a person in power for four years who
Speaker 5: I mean it was his daily routine literally to talk
Speaker 5: about how immigrants are harmful to this country and shifted
Speaker 5: the entire focus. And it's unfortunate because immigration is so
Speaker 5: much more than that. Immigration is visa holders, it's undocumented people,
Speaker 5: it's refugees, is I mean, anything that the immigration system
Speaker 5: deals with. But here we are focused on the border,
Speaker 5: focused on this issue that has been extremely polarized.
Speaker 1: But Erica does hang on to a liver of optimism.
Speaker 5: I do have hope that we have a new movement
Speaker 5: that searches, that emerges at some point that can create
Speaker 5: that narrative shift. But right now I think it's just
Speaker 5: been really, really hard, because, yeah, the narrative has been
Speaker 5: shifted so much more completely into the border.
Speaker 2: There's one question that's important to consider. How do organizers
Speaker 2: feel about DOTCA in twenty twenty three. They're the ones
Speaker 2: who fought to get us here, and even though it's
Speaker 2: not perfect, what's it worth it?
Speaker 6: Not to be too egotistical or anything about it, but
Speaker 6: it's just easier to be a part of the Peanut
Speaker 6: Gallery than to sort of be like trashed and tarnished,
Speaker 6: and then people still want to replicate the strategies and
Speaker 6: the work without really understanding behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: That's more of the Lahy the dream nine. He's understandably
Speaker 2: upset that DOCA didn't go far enough, but also feels
Speaker 2: like the Dreamers don't get enough credit for doing what
Speaker 2: they did to create it.
Speaker 6: My overall assessment is a lot of people copied and
Speaker 6: replicated our work, and they have not gone further than
Speaker 6: we left them. Everybody still to this day and age,
Speaker 6: is replicating the same deportation campaigns or actions that we did.
Speaker 6: When we did bring them home, Guties's office gave us
Speaker 6: so much shit, and then three months later they replicated
Speaker 6: bring them home with their own constituents.
Speaker 7: I think it could have been so much more, and
Speaker 7: it just it was very limited.
Speaker 2: Lizabeth Matteo, another member of the Dream Nine, has mixed
Speaker 2: feelings about DACA.
Speaker 7: Some people have made amazing careers, have built amazing careers
Speaker 7: because they're able to work legally, so I can't be
Speaker 7: too mad at the program. So I do hope that
Speaker 7: it stays. But I do hope that also young people
Speaker 7: that are doctor recipients and those that are not doctor
Speaker 7: recipients understand that this will never be about ten years
Speaker 7: of having dhakap great. But we've seen all the challenges
Speaker 7: we see we seeing all the stress that has caught
Speaker 7: in our community among young people who have DAKA and
Speaker 7: those who don't have that can help have been waiting
Speaker 7: for the program to reopen, but.
Speaker 2: She agrees with Erica about the current status of the
Speaker 2: immigration rights movement.
Speaker 7: So we have to organize, they have to get involved.
Speaker 7: I don't see the same level of organized see that
Speaker 7: is so many years ago. And I hope that I'm
Speaker 7: I'm mistaken.
Speaker 8: I hope that there's people out there planning something that's
Speaker 8: going to shake everything up and make the changes that
Speaker 8: we need to see in the legal system.
Speaker 2: Alina Ronnie, author of Crossing Borders, believes that there is
Speaker 2: a legal solution out there from.
Speaker 9: A political perspective, and I think, you know, as a movement,
Speaker 9: we have we have more allies than we realize. We
Speaker 9: just have to we have to engage them. And I
Speaker 9: think that.
Speaker 1: We've got to do that.
Speaker 9: With the greater level of urgency as a movement, we
Speaker 9: could have been more savvy and sophisticated about sitting down
Speaker 9: with people and helping people understand that, Okay, Trump may
Speaker 9: be gone, but this is an issue that still needs
Speaker 9: to be resolved, and we need to resolve that ultimately
Speaker 9: in a bipartisan way.
Speaker 1: The last time immigration reform came from Congress back in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, it was a bipartisan effort, nearly three
Speaker 1: million people got a path to a green card and
Speaker 1: even citizenship with our goal that was almost forty years ago.
Speaker 10: The system is broken and we need to change the system.
Speaker 1: That's renowned journalist Hojote Ramos. He's seen the fight for
Speaker 1: immigration from the front lines as a reporter and news anchor,
Speaker 1: and it's been a rough view. Ramos believes DAGA needs
Speaker 1: to go further because it doesn't even begin to address
Speaker 1: the problem with our current immigration system.
Speaker 10: Instead of accepting one million legal immigrants a year, we
Speaker 10: need to go to two million immigrants a year or
Speaker 10: maybe more, because the way the system is working right
Speaker 10: now is leaving many who deserve to be in this country,
Speaker 10: who are hiding, who are fearing persecution in the country
Speaker 10: of origin, out of the system.
Speaker 1: One place the broken immigration system seems to always be
Speaker 1: a shit show is Florida, especially now that Florida Man
Speaker 1: is the governor there.
Speaker 11: We believe that borders matter, and we have fought against
Speaker 11: illegal immigration in the state of Florida, from banning sanctuary
Speaker 11: cities to suing the Biden a minute fustration over its
Speaker 11: catch and release policies, to transporting illegal aliens to sanctuary jurisdictions.
Speaker 11: We have put Floridians first and we will continue to
Speaker 11: do that.
Speaker 1: More on that. After the break.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty three, just as he was considering a
Speaker 2: run for president, Florida Governor Ron de Santis signed SB
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, which targets on documented immigrants. They're families, friends,
Speaker 2: and anyone who helps them out. Here's doctor, lawyer Luis
Speaker 2: Cortes Romero.
Speaker 12: They have effectively made it a criminal penalty for not
Speaker 12: just for the immigrants themselves to be there and to work,
Speaker 12: to work if they have status they don't have status,
Speaker 12: but also to anybody who gives them a ride and
Speaker 12: transports them, anybody who hires them. Like it's a really
Speaker 12: broad piece of legislation. So if you're in a car
Speaker 12: and you know that the person in the car doesn't
Speaker 12: have status, and you're giving them a right somewhere, you
Speaker 12: are now subject to jail and find and so it
Speaker 12: creates this kind of weird social paranoia.
Speaker 2: That paranoia led many Latinos to leave the state.
Speaker 12: We saw like the mass exoduses that happened when people left,
Speaker 12: and you know, it has a wide ripple effect. I
Speaker 12: hear a lot of people talk about just leaving and
Speaker 12: self supporting because they're scared and they're nervous and they
Speaker 12: don't know what to do. They're leaving to other states
Speaker 12: and trying to kind of restart.
Speaker 2: Because of the reaction by people to the Florida Bill,
Speaker 2: Louise says it could actually help the cause in the
Speaker 2: long run.
Speaker 12: What's interesting about Florida is that I think we're going
Speaker 12: to see what the potentially unintended consequences were from this legislature.
Speaker 13: I know that a.
Speaker 12: Lot of its labor force has left. There's a lot
Speaker 12: of agricultural work in Florida that seems to be suffering,
Speaker 12: a lot of construction work that seems to be suffering,
Speaker 12: and so I'm very curious to see at what point
Speaker 12: that's going to catch up to them. And money talks,
Speaker 12: you know, this is I think a time where maybe
Speaker 12: businesses are going to get involved in saying, hey, like
Speaker 12: I get it that you might be anti immigrant, but
Speaker 12: this is now impacting our bottom line, and if you're
Speaker 12: impacting our bottom line, we may leave Florida.
Speaker 2: Raquel Fedan on this, a lawyer and immigration advocate, had
Speaker 2: to change her travel plans to Florida after hearing about
Speaker 2: the news.
Speaker 14: Latinos love to go to Florida. I mean one of
Speaker 14: the main questions that I've received me being from North Carolina.
Speaker 14: I go to church and every Sunday, you know, I
Speaker 14: get questions from people like, hey, we have this trip
Speaker 14: planned to Disney World, or you know, we have this
Speaker 14: trip plan, we have the flights booked and everything, like
Speaker 14: should I go to Florida?
Speaker 2: Raquel says people with immigrant families or friends, or who
Speaker 2: are immigrants themselves are right to be worried about going
Speaker 2: to Florida. With SB seventeen eighteen in place.
Speaker 14: It's definitely one of the biggest anti immigrant bills that
Speaker 14: have become law in the entire history of immigration. And
Speaker 14: it's something that's truly scary. Because Governor DeSantis is running
Speaker 14: for president in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Four, she thinks it's time we call on celebrities to
Speaker 2: be vocal about this issue.
Speaker 14: My call is for greater celebrities to be able to
Speaker 14: also use their platforms and boycott Florida, boycott Florida products
Speaker 14: in order to show the power that we have. And
Speaker 14: you know what, do some people care about Some people
Speaker 14: don't want to hear our stories, but some people will
Speaker 14: care about how this affects the economy and DOCA recipients.
Speaker 14: They definitely contribute to the economy. Immigrants, whether documented or undocumented,
Speaker 14: contribute to the economy of Florida and every single state.
Speaker 2: But Florida isn't the only state targeting immigrants.
Speaker 12: There's other states who are passing like licensing legislature where
Speaker 12: folks with our status can get licenses, driver's licenses and
Speaker 12: different things like that. So the states really are coming
Speaker 12: in pretty hard, I think as a reaction to President Biden.
Speaker 1: Biden is up for reelection in twenty twenty four and
Speaker 1: he could lose to someone like DeSantis or even Trump.
Speaker 1: Eleven years of living in limbo has a way of
Speaker 1: chipping away at your mental.
Speaker 15: To be honest with you, I try not to check
Speaker 15: that often on like that outdates. It's such an overwhelming
Speaker 15: thought for me to even think about what would happen
Speaker 15: if they do do away with it and I'm unable
Speaker 15: to work, and what would that mean in my life?
Speaker 15: What would I have to, you know, do or whatnot
Speaker 15: that I try not to really think about it that
Speaker 15: much because it becomes sort of like paralyzing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That's film critic Carlos Aguilar again.
Speaker 15: For a second, I allowed myself to be very hopeful.
Speaker 15: I was like, Okay, Biden got elected, It's gonna happen.
Speaker 15: I didn't even think he was going to win, you know,
Speaker 15: for a few weeks, months maybe, But now that is
Speaker 15: been in almost three years and nothing has happened for
Speaker 15: DAKA recipients, dreamers, quote unquote, and then you have to
Speaker 15: think about the other eleven million people that wouldn't get anything,
Speaker 15: and so it's it's a yeah, it's overwhelming, complicated, sort
Speaker 15: of you know, mix of feelings that comes when you
Speaker 15: try to be hopeful.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, mo Ab the Lahi doesn't have a lot of hope.
Speaker 6: During the Trump administration, we won deferred action on seven
Speaker 6: different cases all throughout the time that everyone was saying,
Speaker 6: we're all hope, we're hopeless, we're lost, we need to resist.
Speaker 6: It was the most backward logic that could have existed,
Speaker 6: and that's just unfortunately the reality that we live in.
Speaker 6: So immigrants are fucked and there's no chance for immigration reform.
Speaker 1: For Louis, who fought in court and won major cases
Speaker 1: and smaller ones for documented immigrants like himself, he sees
Speaker 1: the incremental change that's important.
Speaker 12: One thing thing I lose said on is is that
Speaker 12: although there hasn't been quite a lot of progress in
Speaker 12: the legal sphere of immigrants rights, right, we haven't had
Speaker 12: a big change in laws in a while. In a
Speaker 12: long while, there has been progress being made. I think
Speaker 12: more socially, people know what dreamers are. If you tell
Speaker 12: someone's dreamer, I think is a pretty well known word.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 12: I'm familiar with kind of the critiques of the dreamer
Speaker 12: narrative and how the complications of that, But I think
Speaker 12: really my broader point is is that the social discussion
Speaker 12: around immigrants has progressed and quite significantly, and I think
Speaker 12: that that's a step in the right direction. Of course,
Speaker 12: we're going to need the loss to back that up.
Speaker 12: I try to be mindful of those progresses too.
Speaker 1: A decade ago, Luis's status meant that he wouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to practice law. He knows what it's like to
Speaker 1: have little hope.
Speaker 12: They kept telling me you're not gonna be able to practice.
Speaker 12: Things seem really bleak, then too, really bleak then too.
Speaker 1: But these days, now that he's a practicing lawyer, thinks
Speaker 1: to DACA he wants to amplify hope.
Speaker 12: I want to make sure that I'm inspiring doing things
Speaker 12: that make things hopeful, and that continues, uh, you know,
Speaker 12: picking a fight withather needs to be picked, and being
Speaker 12: rebellious when you need to be rebellious. And and so
Speaker 12: I've been on a perspective where things seem pretty bleak
Speaker 12: and then I end up arguing at the Supreme Court. Right,
Speaker 12: So so.
Speaker 5: I have I have.
Speaker 12: That's where my hope comes in, you know, and I
Speaker 12: think maybe I'm just too much of an optimist.
Speaker 1: DOCCA holder and small business owner Roller Fo Barrientos also
Speaker 1: hangs on to hope.
Speaker 16: If you, as a DACA recipient, I here making it
Speaker 16: whatever it is that you're doing it, you are super valuable.
Speaker 16: You have demonstrated that there are very few things that
Speaker 16: can stop you because you have gone through so much
Speaker 16: and you've still endured and you still hear and you're
Speaker 16: still persevering. And I want to remind every DACA recipient,
Speaker 16: every immigrant out there, that we're incredibly strong, and sometimes
Speaker 16: we forget about that because we're still stuck in what
Speaker 16: other people think about us.
Speaker 1: My buddy Eric Guerta was a pioneer of the dreamer movement.
Speaker 1: And the fight for DACA, and now thanks to that movement,
Speaker 1: he's able to let the fight go a bit.
Speaker 13: There's there's sometimes no other way to get through things
Speaker 13: without hope. But once you get to a certain age,
Speaker 13: once you get you know, to a certain place in
Speaker 13: your life where you feel.
Speaker 6: You don't need that anymore.
Speaker 13: You can be your own hope, you can do things
Speaker 13: for yourself, and you have a community and a net
Speaker 13: world that supports you. Then you know, you kind of
Speaker 13: start leaving hope behind as like something that you had
Speaker 13: when you were a young person, because that's a time
Speaker 13: when you needed it.
Speaker 1: I have to admit that when it comes to our
Speaker 1: country's broken immigration system, I still need to have hope,
Speaker 1: hope for it, and especially hope for the dreamer that
Speaker 1: this unstable stop gap measured DACA can hold. It's wild, honestly,
Speaker 1: how people like Wedetta and Luis and Rololofo and Erica
Speaker 1: and Moe and Elizabeth, all the Dreamers, even that fool
Speaker 1: John Lennon, We're all part of daca's history, like it
Speaker 1: just has to survive. It means too much to this country,
Speaker 1: to our society.
Speaker 2: If we really are as John F. Kennedy said, quoting Jesus,
Speaker 2: a city upon a hill, a beacon of hope to
Speaker 2: the world. It's time we fix a crumbling foundation. It's
Speaker 2: time we honor the dreamers and give them a pathway
Speaker 2: to citizenship, because it is our human right to fly
Speaker 2: freely across borders like monarch butterflies and search for dreams
Speaker 2: and hope. Out of the shadows. Dreamers is a Semelo
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Speaker 2: and executive produced by me Patti Rodriguez and Eric Galindo.
Speaker 2: This show is written by Sessa Hernandez and executive produced
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Speaker 2: Claudia Marti Gorena, Sound design, mixing and mastering by Jessica
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