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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, sir, Hello, I'm right, I am fair admitting and

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Speaker 2: that s they say sometimes here, Okay, it's good. Hello everyone.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm like Iah by the way, because my name

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Speaker 3: is harder to pronounce.

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Speaker 2: What is it? What is the hard name? I want

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Speaker 2: to hear the hard name.

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Speaker 3: Lie eight.

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Speaker 2: Is not hard. If you know when you told now,

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Speaker 2: I may have it may have been hard if I

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Speaker 2: had to read it right. Yeah, we said lay up

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Speaker 2: for the person. We all decided to get media or

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Speaker 2: reading class.

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Speaker 3: You look amazing. I love that shirt.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Love

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Speaker 4: Supreme Duo style.

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Speaker 2: I like this season.

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Speaker 4: We're doing combinations of solos, duos, trios.

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Speaker 3: A mere perfect combination.

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Speaker 2: Yes we is this our first duo.

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Speaker 3: It's been a while. We've been like a couple of times,

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Speaker 3: but it's been a while.

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Speaker 2: We haven't done a duo yet. I got that. I

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Speaker 2: got that.

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Speaker 4: So today special episode of Quest Loves Supreme. Today we

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Speaker 4: are welcoming a Grammy Award winning legendary singer, songwriter, author,

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Speaker 4: television producer, actor to say that he comes from a

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Speaker 4: musical dynasty that rivals no one else an influential musical

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Speaker 4: dynasty is really understating it. It can't be emphasized enough.

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Speaker 4: How powerful you know? I come from the hip hop generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: When we see the W, we think of Wu Tang.

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Speaker 4: But there's a certain generation they think of a musical

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Speaker 4: dynasties with the letter W.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: One name that comes to mind, and that our guest

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Speaker 4: is part of that music dynasty. Of course, in addition

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Speaker 4: to his bloodline and his siblings singing, his entire family singing.

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Speaker 4: Our guest has worked with so many greats today name

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Speaker 4: him Stevie Wonder, Eric Clapton, and he needed Baker, Detroit's

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Speaker 4: own Anita Baker, David Foster, and I definitely want to

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Speaker 4: get into his friendship and creativity with the one and

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Speaker 4: only Whitney Houston. And right now he has a new

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Speaker 4: single father in Heaven with saxophonist Gerald Albright. We are

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Speaker 4: delighted to have brother BB one and Zo on Quest

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Speaker 4: Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: A thank you, sir. How you doing I'm doing? Or

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Speaker 2: should I say what up? Though both I will say too,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I really am great. Great. Do you

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Speaker 2: still reside in Detroit or where do you live now? No,

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Speaker 2: I moved to Nashville, Tennessee, forty years ago, and everybody

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Speaker 2: years ago. You know when you can say forty and

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Speaker 2: you got a whole lot of years after that, you're old.

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Speaker 4: See, you know what, I didn't stay young, but I

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Speaker 4: say I would have said four decades ago.

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Speaker 2: I tried to compress it. You can say two.

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Speaker 4: Scores ago if you you know, if you're talking about rebuffs,

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Speaker 4: two scores ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But so so I moved down here forty

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Speaker 2: years ago, and then the girls came tumbling after, which

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Speaker 2: is cc ang and Debbie, my three sisters. So all

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Speaker 2: of us lived here in Nashville and our families and so.

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Speaker 3: So y'all are the y'all are the pioneers because all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, everybody, I mean, we knew that the

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Speaker 3: country thing was happening, but when it came to the

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Speaker 3: black country and the black scene, like Nashville's popping.

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Speaker 2: So besides Jill, who else is in Nashville? You know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people have moved from the industry. That

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Speaker 2: you have Reese Witherspoon, you have Nicole Kipman. I'm hearing

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Speaker 2: now Beyonce's coming through this way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah from s W v and Eddie George like they down.

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Speaker 2: George and everything. So Nashville has changed tremendously. But when

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Speaker 2: even when I moved here, I mean, if you didn't

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Speaker 2: I moved is because it was such a great haven

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Speaker 2: for writing. And you had to say music, not even country,

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Speaker 2: had it all here, the writers. So that's why I moved.

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Speaker 2: My family was angry at me when I moved, I

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Speaker 3: Was it about leaving Detroit or going to Nashville?

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Speaker 2: Leaving Detroit? You know, my family very close knitted family,

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Speaker 2: and so, oh god, all that works out. First of all,

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Speaker 2: how many winings are there? Siblings?

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Speaker 3: Thank you and mayor for asking this question.

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Speaker 2: I can say that either way, there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 2: Or I can say ten. It was ten seven boys

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Speaker 2: and then three girls after me.

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Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I'm not even going to get into the

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Speaker 2: So when you add it all up, you know, we

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Speaker 2: go to a certain city family reunions or nightmare every

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Speaker 2: other Thanksgiving. Oh god, the last one we had like

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eight people wait for Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving? How

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Speaker 2: do y'all even decide that you'll? Yeah, is this there's

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Speaker 2: a certain my baby's sister is the one that's actually

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Speaker 2: in charge, and so we rent five homes and not

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Speaker 2: only Thanksgiving, but week that whole week. So after Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: more winings for a good two years. So it's Thanksgiving

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Speaker 2: the family reunion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how many winings are on record? Literally,

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Speaker 3: how many winings have recorded?

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Speaker 2: Well you have you know when my when my brother

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Speaker 2: started off, it was the four brothers the wine. Then

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Speaker 2: you had me and Cec right, my brother Daniel, who

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Speaker 2: is the sole artist. You have my two sisters, Angie

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Speaker 2: and Debbie. And then after years down the road that

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Speaker 2: my mom and dad recorded. So they met. My mom

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Speaker 2: and dad met in a group called the Lemon Gospel Corps.

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Speaker 2: That's how they met. My father was an only child

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Speaker 2: and then a sister in law, VICKI recorded, so within

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Speaker 2: the family, tell you this. There's about forty five Grammy Awards.

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Speaker 3: It's a Jackson's wine in Battle.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, the wine is one. Oh okay, damn At

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Speaker 2: least in the pop world.

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Speaker 4: Like you know, Silvers were allowed to exist, Like I

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Speaker 4: think to most people, the Winings are the only dynasty

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Speaker 4: that matters and gospel, even though I'm certain that there

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Speaker 4: are other Hawkins family, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: And and so yeah, we we and we grew up together,

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Speaker 2: and all them, and so we've always been a great,

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Speaker 2: big family and understood it the doors that they opened,

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Speaker 2: each other, and so you know, we've always learned to

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Speaker 2: celebrate each other, right, and and everything that has happened

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Speaker 4: You know, I was going to say that it was

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Speaker 4: really important for me to have you on here because

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Speaker 4: you and your sister CC specifically were responsible for like

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Speaker 4: a paradigm shift in the Thompson household. Oh it was Philadelphia,

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Speaker 4: So you know, and I've explained this on the show

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Speaker 4: like I basically came home one day and there was

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Speaker 4: born again.

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Speaker 2: Wait, huh what happened? And this is all I know.

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Speaker 4: Something happened in seventy nine, and I kind of feel

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Speaker 4: like the first domino that fell because my father.

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Speaker 4: And the first domino that fell was there was a

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Speaker 4: moment where in downa Summer. It explains this in her

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Speaker 4: and I believe she might have been conto plating suicide

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Speaker 4: or whatever, and whatever the situation was, she had this

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Speaker 4: revelation and she became born again, and she shared the

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Speaker 4: story on either the seven hundred Club or the PTL Club.

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Speaker 4: I believe it was the seven hundred Club. It's Pat Robinson.

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Speaker 4: Because of terrestrial television and not having access to cable,

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Speaker 4: or seven hundred Club would just buy blocks.

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Speaker 2: Right, four hour blocks, five hour blocks on.

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Speaker 4: Certain UHF stations, and my dad would just constantly keep

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Speaker 4: my dad in the morning whatever and he ordered something

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Speaker 4: you know, call this is one eight hundred number to

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Speaker 4: get your prayer package or whatever. And inside of that

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Speaker 4: prayer package thing was a forty five and the forty.

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Speaker 2: Five was.

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Speaker 4: Up, not exactly a cover of Joe Cocker and Jennifer

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Speaker 4: Warren's Love Lifts Up Where We Belong from Offers and

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Speaker 4: a Gentleman, but a gospel version of it.

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Speaker 2: Wow, And my dad played, remember that version, you are

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Speaker 2: wearing me out right, this bobus.

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Speaker 3: This is both of them a mirror, this is this

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Speaker 3: is this Islaiah.

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Speaker 4: So this will explain all the prince punishments and all

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Speaker 4: those things, because I didn't get the memo that we

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Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy nine, I would say my parents were

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Speaker 4: relatively hip. They were sixties revolutionaries. Yeah, you were Afros

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Speaker 4: and you know my mom. They had a sprawling record

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Speaker 4: collection of four thousand records. They were hip, and then

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Speaker 2: Was happening, you know. And I think that when you

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Speaker 4: Sixties and the hedonistic seventies, then the eighties were sort

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Speaker 4: of seen as an atonement period for some. And man,

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Speaker 4: when he got that forty five, he played it so much.

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Speaker 3: That's the only song that was on there.

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Speaker 2: It was a forty five or five, but it's what

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Speaker 2: it's what made them stars.

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Speaker 4: And then so if anything, I think for a lot

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Speaker 4: of people, they came to your brothers first.

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Speaker 2: No, from my household, BB and CC were first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my house old BB and CC was first, right,

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Speaker 3: and then it was like, wait, there's more.

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Speaker 2: So suddenly, maybe a year later, I'm hearing this no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, there's then just between eighty one and

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Speaker 5: eighty seven, like whining's only the entire clan.

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Speaker 2: So I definitely got questions to ask. Let's go. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if to say thank you or I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: Is that I too? You know what? Okay, So here's

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Speaker 4: Oh, because I'm twelve thirteen, and this this happens with

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Speaker 4: every twelve and thirteen year old, Like once your parents

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Speaker 4: lay down the law, you see it as.

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Speaker 2: Punishment, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, and so but look I say

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Speaker 4: this way, I joke now that even I'm starting now

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Speaker 4: to have fond memories of the pandemic, like ah, man,

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Speaker 4: it was fun like living in the farm, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not traumatized.

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Speaker 4: No, the traumatizing part was wanting to listen to rap

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Speaker 2: But oh yeah, oh yeah, and so the thing is

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Speaker 2: Though Detroit, I'm saying Motown where hurt where one street

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Speaker 4: Last light is like the light or something exact. What

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Speaker 4: was your what was your first musical well wow, okay, now,

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Speaker 2: Well? You know so so growing up seriously in the

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Speaker 2: Yes, from Mississippi.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so they came to Detroit to fine industry and yeah, okay, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Had definitely born and raised in Detroit, and so we

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Speaker 2: And so we were taught to be faithful with our talent.

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Speaker 2: Miss bids, I'll never forget this because it shifted me.

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Speaker 2: I always wanted to write more so, always been more

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Speaker 2: he cannot wait a moment? Still be frets upon my

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Speaker 2: thank you Jesus. WHOA wow? That was profounding? You Okay,

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Speaker 2: it was profound. So when I wrote songs like love

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Speaker 2: doing that it separated me and Cecy from my brothers.

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Speaker 2: And Ceci and I wasn't a duet until we went

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Speaker 2: I want, you know, change a couple of works and

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Speaker 2: I want you Bb and cc y'all sing it together.

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Speaker 4: Jim Baker, It was that instantaneous how we became a duet.

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Speaker 4: How does one start a gospel business where suddenly you're

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Speaker 2: Like, how does this start in your household? Well, my father,

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Speaker 2: Light Records or Records? Yes, where was Light located in

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Speaker 4: And I came in backwards. But so that that first

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Speaker 2: So me and CC at the it was a the

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Speaker 3: I'm still in shocked at Jim Baker's ear, my mind,

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Speaker 3: his ear, don't hear y'all, but he did he did. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So you have to understand. So me and CC we

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Speaker 2: and get all easy to do that? That was so difficult.

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Speaker 3: Did people walk away upset?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes? My father was angry because you know, my

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Speaker 4: But me and CC, well, first of all, okay, are

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Speaker 2: Like? Were you two just that close in age? So Ronald,

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Speaker 2: put me, my brother Daniel, my brother Michael together with CC.

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Speaker 2: We were the Christian version of Gladdest Knight in the

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Speaker 3: And they were racially welcoming to everyone too well.

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Speaker 2: Jim and Tammy was but at the time would go on.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would learn a lot how they were

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Speaker 2: And so I was sitting with him and I told him,

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Speaker 2: I said, Jim, you know, me and my co author,

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Speaker 2: be there was many threats. I was like what he said,

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Speaker 2: Oh it was. It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: The hatred these beautiful chocolate babies too, like what.

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Speaker 2: Oh they was angry. And then after we received we

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Speaker 4: How long did it consume you before, like you eventually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we sang that song seriously every day

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Speaker 2: And so that's when I had to say, CC, we

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Speaker 2: I think we're supposed to be a duet, you know,

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Speaker 4: How did the kind of fallout of eighty seven affect you?

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Speaker 2: And what.

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Speaker 4: Pivot did you had to make once the PTL empire

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Speaker 2: I don't is it over now or is there's there's

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Speaker 2: we both cried. And then Jim said to us, he said,

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Speaker 2: but we understand, right, So we went back home to Detroit,

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Speaker 2: and then we got a call saying, a year or

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Speaker 2: so later, Jim and Tabing want you to come back,

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Speaker 2: career as a duet, and you can have all the

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00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: time you need, but they just want you to come back,

437
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: and we agreed to it, and then then all of

438
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: a sudden, get a phone call said Jim said no,

439
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: and no explanation. So it was like, this is confusing.

440
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: I mean, we were you didn't know what was happening.

441
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: I know what has happened. And so when everything tumbled

442
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: and everything came out, we realized that he was protecting us.

443
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: He did not want us to come back and be

444
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: caught up in the store or anything that was happening.

445
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: So he was still loving on us, still protecting us

446
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: as he did when we were there. The whole time.

447
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: I ran into a car as I was cleaning different

448
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: drawers in my home and there was a card from

449
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 2: Tammy Faye Baker that she wrote to my son bb

450
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: whinings sore, Mom's going to miss you. And so it was.

451
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: It was. It was very moving, but they saw what

452
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: was going to happen in our lives before we saw.

453
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 4: Did you ever watch the biopic that?

454
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Yes? Did you feel like it it was depicted fairly?

455
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: Or I thought some things were predicted fairly. You know,

456
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: Tammy Faye was one of the sweetest persons you ever

457
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: want to meet. I mean, when she passed away, it

458
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: was a very hard thing for us. And Jim has

459
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: always been a supporter, right, so they were dear to us. Okay,

460
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 2: to this day, Jim, I don't agree with everything he says,

461
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: but you know, that's life. At the same time, when

462
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: I opened the musical Born for this the regional run

463
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, Jim came to that. So I had Jim

464
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: on my right side and I had my mom on

465
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: my other side. There's a scene, there's a scene in

466
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: it where I was dating one of the singers and

467
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: actually Tammy, and this was the racism that existed. Tammy

468
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: was upset as well as others because she was a

469
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: tall blonde and she said, you can't date BB because

470
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: it's not right, and so we ignored it and they

471
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: fired her. So while this scene has gone on, Jim

472
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: leaned in and said, I didn't know that happened. I'm

473
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: so sorry, I said, Jim, that was thirty years ago.

474
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: You even got this.

475
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: Wow, it's so interesting, the subtle racism of things still

476
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: right and yet she still loved you. But that's that's

477
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: what that's seven white folks, I guess exactly.

478
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: But you're talking about something that's embedded and.

479
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know when you're obviously not going back to PTL.

480
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: Was there ever a trepidation of fear, of like what now?

481
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: What? What do I do? You know what? Never fear.

482
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: I was always a big dreamer and some people, so

483
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: my father used to say, there's a thin line between

484
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: confident and conceited. And some people may think you're conceited,

485
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: but what you're going to be is very confident and

486
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: believe in what you have. Right. So I believed that

487
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: that CC and I would accomplish fish things that was

488
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: even beyond our dreams, and so I went for it.

489
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: So I went to Nashville, you know, with a friend

490
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: and took's meetings and then brought Cci and everybody was

491
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: saying no. One person said I don't even hear talent.

492
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, I mean, wait what that's what

493
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: the record company said. And I looked at him and I said, okay,

494
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: you mean you don't hear none. That was confusing to me. Okay,

495
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: but that's what he said. And then we kept going.

496
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: So I never ever thought this is not going to happen.

497
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: Never thought that, never, And so the last record company,

498
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: which was Sparrow Records, said yes. And that started the

499
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: serious step and shift in my sister's career and the writing. Again,

500
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: we knew traditional church is not going to like this,

501
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: and they were angry, but that was no fear because

502
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: every song I wrote, I had my mom listen to it,

503
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: and if my mom gave me the thun up, I

504
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: was good. I was looking. So that was the That

505
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: was the path and never stop.

506
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: How are you even aware of what's out there if

507
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: it's not allowed in the house, And did you guys follow.

508
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: The rules or.

509
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: Also like Richard Pryor's status, where you had to like

510
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: sneak and listen to it a.

511
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: Maan when you walked up the house. There's no way

512
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: you couldn't Detroit, Michigan. There's no way you couldn't hear

513
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: or Tops and Stevie Wonder and all these other people.

514
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: So no, and good music always caught my ear. So

515
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: my favorite singer in the world was Donnie Hathaway. Oh,

516
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: if you wanted to make me smile, say, man, you

517
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: you you sound like a little a little bit like Donny,

518
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: what can I buy? You? Got it to me? He

519
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: was the greatest singer of all times. He really was.

520
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: So there were there were vocalists, there was writers that

521
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: I kind of gravitated to. And when I wrote a song,

522
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: I wanted the song to be kind of like distant,

523
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 2: you know, uh, you know, it was just my imagination, right,

524
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: So it was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and and

525
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: and so that was those were my heroes. Those were

526
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: the kind of songs that I was, I was uh

527
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: gravitated to. So when I sat down and started writing

528
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: stuff like I'm Lost with you said, don't have vocal

529
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: move mid mid temple and and lyric was the most

530
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: important that I said something that would cause people to

531
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 2: be uplifted and to give life another try. Now here's

532
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: the thing.

533
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: When I first heard and that's a good example, like

534
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: if I'm lost without you, I mean obviously you know.

535
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: There was a period.

536
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 4: Where I remember second grade, somebody either she in a valerie,

537
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: like someone in my school wanted to sing you Light

538
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: up my Life, and my music teacher had to say, like,

539
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 4: you know that's a gospel song, right, They're like no,

540
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: It's like we had no idea that you the light

541
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: of my life was singing about God or whatever. Some

542
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: point I always wondered if using especially in an example

543
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 4: if I'm lost without you, would sometimes would you sort

544
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: of ambiguously blur the lines of the pronoun because we

545
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: often think in the gospel world that be you and

546
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 4: sometimes works in the second world, like.

547
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: I think love too, love right, and I think in.

548
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: The second world, like Philip Billy once told me, like

549
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 4: it was some earth wind and fire song. I thing

550
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: it was like I had enough, and I'm thinking, like, oh,

551
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: Philip bill is singing about I'm s so tired of

552
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: being on the road and I'm coming home to you, babe.

553
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: And he was like, no, I'm singing about I'm coming

554
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: home to God or whatever.

555
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 4: As a songwriter, you know, would you say that you

556
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 4: could catch more fish if your songs are spiritual, but.

557
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: You don't know where it falls. And so what I

558
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: always say and truthfully say that that is I wish

559
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: I was that smart, and I wish I was thinking

560
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: that way. I always this is this is my reality.

561
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: I felt like I had the authorization to tell the

562
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: world what God meant to me in every ho aspect

563
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: of my life, in my love life, in my friendship life,

564
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: in my family life, and my public life, in my

565
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: private every area of my life. I felt like I

566
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 2: had the authority to write about. So Lost without You

567
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: was definitely all about me saying, Lord, if you leave me,

568
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: I'm totally lost. I am really totally lost. Now let's

569
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 2: jump into the song. Down the Road. Me and Ceci

570
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: are in Chicago doing a concert. It was a one

571
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: of those musical amphitheaters, and not knowing the night before,

572
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: Janet Jackson was in Chicago in concert, she saw our

573
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: names and the next thing I know, I'm sitting there

574
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: because Fred Hammon was on The Shame Show and I'm

575
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: listening to Fred Hammond and somebody said, excuse me, mister Winings,

576
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: you have to come to your room. It's like, no,

577
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: I'm I'm watching you know, Fred, No, No, you have to.

578
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm watching Fred mister Wayne is Jenny Jackson is on

579
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: the way to your room like Janet, if you're nasty, Jenny,

580
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: I love that you reference. And so we go back

581
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: to the room. Cec it myself and up drives this

582
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: four car convey and Janey gets out and comes to

583
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: the room and the first thing she wants to ask

584
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 2: is tell me about Loss Without you. It's my favorite song.

585
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: We are you talking about? Really? Yes? I never agree,

586
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: And so that was one of those moments that I

587
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: realized people interpret our songs the way they hear it,

588
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: and that was okay with me. You know, I always

589
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: feel and always felt then and now where there are people,

590
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 2: whether it's in the club, where it's on the street,

591
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 2: in the church, in a different venue where there's people,

592
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: there's ministry, and so I'm always excited when my song

593
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: goes beyond the four walls.

594
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 3: Wait, Can I ask you both a question? Because oftentimes

595
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: on this show I would think that something is created

596
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: and new, but maybe sometimes I'm wrong. So I don't

597
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: want to assume this. But for me and my generation,

598
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: you were that person who blurred the line. And yes,

599
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: you initially maybe you didn't think you were talking about God.

600
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: But then when you realized you were talking about God,

601
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 3: then it was like, oh this is even better. I'm good,

602
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: you know. So why did it feel so special? Was

603
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: there anybody else for who really could grasp that? Like

604
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: fine line?

605
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Who is I mean? So you had again, you had

606
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: the Hawkins family, so Edward and you know when he

607
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: did Old Happy Day, that thing went cross.

608
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 3: You know, but he still said Jesus Christ though.

609
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: Yes, but it went to the pop charte wait, I

610
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: got you okay. You know, music has a way even

611
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,720
Speaker 2: before the lyric of how it's produced and the rhythm

612
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: of it, that will cross the lines. And so you

613
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: take that rhythm that we were taught, you take also

614
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: the message, which is important. And I remember after every

615
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: after every album we recorded, I would sit it on

616
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: the dresser and I would say, you know, Lord, I

617
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 2: did my part. Can't wait to see what you're going

618
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: to do with it. And so they get a phone

619
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: call from someone in another country saying I was on

620
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: the dance floor dancing to Addictive Love and it was

621
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: my song and and then I realized, oh wow, oh

622
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 2: that's a Christmas songs And it changed their lives. And

623
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: so I'm always excited when things like that happen.

624
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 3: But bbe, did you hear what you just said? Like,

625
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, y'all know that our grandmothers was like,

626
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: don't you be dancing to that gospel music?

627
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: But to me, when I read in the Old test

628
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: when David dance out of his clothes because of what

629
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: God had did, So you know I was free. When

630
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: I went to PTL to Charlotte, North Carolina, I knew

631
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: there was something happening inside of me that brought down

632
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: the walls man made rooms, and I really found out

633
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: more for personally who God was. So you have to understand.

634
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: My first movie was ET, and I remember sitting. I

635
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 2: had to go see it twice because the first time

636
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: I saw it, I couldn't even I couldn't even enjoy

637
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: it because I heard thunder you got die, I got it,

638
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: got it for you? Was there ever longing to like?

639
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: In making the first album in eighty four?

640
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 4: Was it up by design that to not make it

641
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 4: too funky, not make it too slow, asked to not

642
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: turn off the older gospel authority, whereas come eighty seven,

643
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: you guys are like, hey, here's breakbeats, here's a drum machine.

644
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make it sound like today's music, Like were

645
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 4: you ever caught in the controversy of don't make the

646
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: sound too No?

647
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: Never, never, And so the answer to the question is

648
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: just so it takes me back back to pt. L.

649
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: So Howard mcquarie was the musical director and he's that

650
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: called knew my brothers and asked if we could come audition.

651
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 2: So he has a meeting and the last minute, Jim

652
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 2: Baker called another meeting, and Howard comes to me and said,

653
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: b you gotta do me a favorite. You've got to

654
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: go in and meet with this guy. His name is

655
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: Keith Thomas's from Nashville. He's coming up to meet with me.

656
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: But I can't meet him because the thing. And I

657
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 2: looked at Howard and said, I'm not going to meet

658
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 2: somebody who's coming to me. I mean, that makes no sense.

659
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 2: I would disappoint him as well. And so he said,

660
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: phoebe just just going and meet him, not knowing because

661
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: that I was going to meet the person that I

662
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: would collaborate my whole career with. So when he started

663
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: playing on the piano, it did something inside of me.

664
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: It was like it was like meeting you know your spouse.

665
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: It was like wow, I mean I fell in love

666
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: with his courts. So before the meeting was over, I

667
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 2: told him, I don't you know, let's let's swap numbers

668
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna come to Nashville and I'm gonna sit

669
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: with you and there you have it. So it wasn't

670
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: a thing of being worried about what people were going

671
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: to say or how to navigate the craziness between traditional

672
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: and contemporary. I just found my partner and we just

673
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: started creating, and so I you know, I owe you me.

674
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, I was gonna say, I owe

675
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: you me.

676
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: Was like, that was the first one, right. Keith Thomas

677
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: to our listeners, don't know. He has so many numbers

678
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 4: on the board. He's probably going best for I think

679
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 4: he wrote save.

680
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: The Best for last last.

681
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 4: Vanessa Williams, did he have something to do with.

682
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: Thomas what he did Amy Grant Baby, Baby Baby, Yeah,

683
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: yeah he did. So. Keith was not being utilized much

684
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: at all in the Christian world until he produced Me

685
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: and CC and then people started finding out. But I

686
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 2: understand after the first album, Me and CEC were now

687
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: signed to Capitol Records, and so we went up to California,

688
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: had the meeting with the CEO and all these big executives,

689
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: and then the CEO said, Okay, you know you guys

690
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: are going to work with different producers and me and

691
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: sitting there and I said, no, no, we already have

692
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: our producer, Keith Thomas. He said, oh, you know you're

693
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: big time now, you're in the big league, so you

694
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: got to work with big producers. And so long story short,

695
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: I realized, oh, y'are not asking us, y'all telling them.

696
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: And so I looked at him, happy to be on

697
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: Capitol Records, and I told him, but if we can't

698
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: use our producer, then I will grab my sister's hand

699
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: and we will walk out and y'all have a good day.

700
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: And he said, what, well, you would leave Capital Records

701
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: And I looked at him and I meant this. I said,

702
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: don't get it wrong, glad to be here, but you

703
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: do not hold my future. God holds my future. So

704
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: we will walk out of here. And that man said, well,

705
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: I guess keep producing. I didn't know he was white.

706
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: They didn't know anything about him, but he brought us

707
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: to the party. We have this meeting is because of

708
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: Keith Thomas and the collaboratory chemistry that he and I had.

709
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: And so I'm glad I did it because because of that,

710
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: you have the slew of things that me and I

711
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 2: says to a company.

712
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: So on that first album, yeah, you pretty much are

713
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: utilizing your siblings as auxiliary voices.

714
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: Yes?

715
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 4: Is that obligatory if you wanted to work with another

716
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 4: group of background singers with your family, feel some sort

717
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 4: of way like do you know we were always now?

718
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: The only thing about us using each other is that

719
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: we were free. Yeah, I was gonna say, and how

720
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: does that work? Three? Why not? Why would I pay CC?

721
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: Why would CC pay me? That made no sense? So

722
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: if you wanted to you and that was just how

723
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: we were, well, not.

724
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: CC, but everybody else. So I mean, did you got

725
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 3: some other folks in the backgrounds too?

726
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Right? Oh? Family, that'd be and various other people. So

727
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: if we used other people, which we did, you know

728
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: you had to pay fees and so whenever we wanted to,

729
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: you know, if the budget ran out, Hey, Marvin, how

730
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: you doing this day? I need y'all to set up

731
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: a record, is that to come and help us? And

732
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: to this day, you know I turned sixty, I can't

733
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: believe it. It's two years now, I'll be sixty two.

734
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: And so when I had I always wanted my sixtieth

735
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: birthday in London. So I decided the last minute to

736
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: hear of a concert in London. So I called my

737
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: brother and I said, Hey, you're gonna come to London

738
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: for me? He said, I guess I'm not getting paid.

739
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: I said, why would we start paying each other? Now?

740
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: Forgive my ignorance and asking this because I still feel

741
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: like I'm relatively well adept in my Wining's allergy. Has

742
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: there ever been a collective.

743
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 3: Twenty three hundred Jackson Street.

744
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, a collective Whining's album project? No, No, I only

745
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: had we. We did two Wining Family tours, international and

746
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: national tours, and we had the most fun. It was

747
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. But after we came off of those tours,

748
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: I don't never have to see another one a kid.

749
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: And this is the reason. So as the youngest, right boy,

750
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: are you the agitator? No? No, I'm the one that

751
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 2: does the work. And so I'm creative in the place

752
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: of and I enjoy it in putting this song with

753
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: this song, and this and that and that, and so

754
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 2: I'm creating the whole thing, given permission to do it,

755
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: and then at the last minute the older brothers wanted

756
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 2: to come in and say, I ain't doing that song.

757
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: Yes you are, so be back and forth, and you

758
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: told me to put this together, but I didn't tell

759
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 2: you that song. Well you singing that song? I mean

760
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: up until ladies and gentlemen, please welcome. Who is the

761
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: alpha whining? Who is Dad? When Dad is not there? Well,

762
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 2: Marvin thinks he's there. Dad was alive. He used to

763
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: tell my mother, I'm your father. I'm not lying. You

764
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: call him up and he'll say the same thing. So

765
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 2: but he was and still he was the songwriter of

766
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: the Whinings, and we all you know, used to always

767
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 2: say he's the greatest singer in the Winings family. At

768
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: the same time, he is not the one that does

769
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: the footwork, you know, right, And so I'm that one.

770
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, you always meet Okay, he is

771
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 2: that big brother and little brother, you know, right.

772
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: But BB, you got like nephews and nieces and stuff.

773
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: Now I'm curious if there's a baby Bebe coming up

774
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 3: up in the family, who now is like, well, Bbe,

775
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: remember you used to be that person but now I

776
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 3: know my finger is on the pulse and.

777
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 2: I I wish we had that. Now. We do have

778
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: great writers. H CC's Sun is really a great writer,

779
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: Alvin Jr. And producer. He's produced some things on her album.

780
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: But and in One is one who right. So we

781
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: have some great writers. But these days it's hard. I

782
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: don't know if it's just this generation. I don't want

783
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: to do no work. They just want to walk in

784
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: and just hey, no, it don't work like that. Here's

785
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 2: the thing though, and I hear what you're saying.

786
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 3: This spendor defend the people.

787
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 4: I kind of believe that everything that we've been generationally

788
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 4: taught our parents, our grandparents, our great grandparents and so

789
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: on and so forth, I now believe that we might

790
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: have to let maybe eighty percent of everything we were

791
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: ever taught.

792
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: Whoa what a lot? I know.

793
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 4: But here's the thing though, and the number one thing

794
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: that I'm trying to get rid of, even for a

795
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: person that doesn't know me, I have this James Brown

796
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: reput you know, hardest working man, and that's.

797
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: Really my fault.

798
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 4: It's my fault, like, oh, you're doing movies one day,

799
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 4: you're doing records the next day, you write a book

800
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 4: this day. Because I was kind of raised in that

801
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: environment that.

802
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: Like work hard, work hard.

803
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, work hard, work hard.

804
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: And then the pandemic came and the first time in

805
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: my life, and I don't know if you've had this

806
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: same experience, but the first time in life, for eight months,

807
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 4: I did nothing, you know that feeling as a workaholic.

808
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 4: If I'm even asleep past ten thirty a m. I

809
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 4: feel like the worst person. I hear my grandmom, my

810
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 4: dad like that sort of thing. So to do that

811
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: for eight months in a row, where you just you

812
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 4: don't do nothing, and I'm the world's most overachievingest overworker.

813
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 4: After six months, I was like, wait a minute, let

814
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: me find out.

815
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: The key to life is not whatever we complain about

816
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: the younger generation.

817
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 4: Right, No, So I'll say I'm now sixty forty, where

818
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: I now agree with the younger generation.

819
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 3: Smarter, now harder.

820
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: But my approach is this. My answer to that is this,

821
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: This is my philosophy. Okay, two plus two will always

822
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: equal four. Now how you get there? It's you know,

823
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 2: in this year, twenty years ago and forty years down

824
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: the road, two plus two will always equal four. So

825
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 2: unless you're Terrence Howard, but I won't even start that. Look,

826
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: I want to get involved in come forward. Plus multiplication

827
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: is always going to go forward. So no, I've always

828
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: believed that I didn't have to follow the path that

829
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: my father followed to be successful. I didn't have to

830
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: follow my brother's pattern to be successful. So but you

831
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: do have to have a dream. You do have to

832
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: have the understanding that you have to work towards that dream.

833
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Like I would have liked this, and I'll end it

834
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 2: like this. A friend of mine, a friend named Wren Brown.

835
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 2: He said, Christians don't want a miracle, they want magic.

836
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: They want to say, oh I want this house. Damn

837
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 2: that house is there, he said, because a miracle has

838
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,240
Speaker 2: to have your participation, and so a lot of times

839
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: this generation don't want to participate in what's there. They

840
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: just want to sit around and wait for magic. Dude.

841
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 4: No, wow, Okay, now you made me feel bad because

842
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: here's the thing though, I know that well because again

843
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm literally taking an active exercise to see. Okay,

844
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: miracle versus magic, and you you praised the perfect with miracles.

845
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: You have to be actively involved and expert in your field.

846
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: You know what you're doing with magic. You do nothing

847
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 4: and it happens. So here's the thing, though, I'm right

848
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: now the place in my life where.

849
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 2: Between the Christian side of me versus the metaphysical side

850
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: of me. And you know, a lot of.

851
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 4: This also has to do with me studying my African ancestry.

852
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 3: To say, you are like Christian, you better stop well,

853
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: but dude, like at some point.

854
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: You have to start somewhere well and understanding. Look my

855
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,479
Speaker 2: father said, and maybe I answered this way. My father

856
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: used to tell us, y'are not the greatest things in

857
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: the world. Don't you sit around and think you're the

858
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 2: greatest thing in the world. But you're going to be confident.

859
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: You're going to be the most confident singers in the world. Okay,

860
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 2: So that's what he said. When I was younger, I

861
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: had to perfect my vocal ability. Like I have a son,

862
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: he was sixteen or seventeen eighteen at the time, and

863
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: he said, Dad, we're gonna do a duet together. I said,

864
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: you and me, Yeah, we have no no, no, no,

865
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: we not you not waking up today and all of

866
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: a sudden you do it with me. And the reason

867
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 2: is not that it has nothing to do with my

868
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 2: love towards you. It has nothing to do with your desire,

869
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: even if you have a desire. Yeah, you can't sing?

870
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow?

871
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 4: What time out? Time out? Time out, time out? Are

872
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 4: you trying to tell me that somewhere on this earth

873
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 4: there's a as the last name of Whinings.

874
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: There are men know how to sing, There are many? Really,

875
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: what is that? Like my brother, oldest brother, David, he

876
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: can't sing to save his life in our ears. That

877
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: has to be psychological.

878
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 3: I refuse nobody else in his ear.

879
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: He thinks he can. So when we went out on

880
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: those two runs of the Windings Family or he was

881
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: with us, but the sound people knew. Don't turn his

882
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 2: mic on monitors or nothing. You're horrible.

883
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 4: To close my statement only because the the period of

884
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 4: me finding out by my African ancestry and the and

885
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 4: the pandemic forced me in a place where the most

886
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: that ever happened in my life out of nowhere happened

887
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 4: because I sat.

888
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: Around and just stayed silent.

889
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 4: Yes, and then it happened, of which the conflict of

890
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: me is like, well, are you going to dismiss forty

891
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 4: years of the insane amount of hours that you studied

892
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 4: your skill and your practice and all those things. My

893
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 4: dad had a rule in the house. Like you've heard

894
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: the idiom, practice makes perfect. My dad's idiom was perfect

895
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 4: practice makes perfect. He was Joe Jackson on steroids. So

896
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 4: the thing is, I can't dismiss the preparation and the

897
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: over preparation of having a skill right makes you better.

898
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: But I gotta admit that this generation might be on something.

899
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 4: I'm only three years into this, and trust me as

900
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 4: an over worker who is on your side of the

901
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 4: fence with miracles versus magic, I decided to just backslide

902
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: a little bit from miracles and to see.

903
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: Just to see if the magic is in.

904
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: If I do nothing, we'll match make a curred. Well

905
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 4: well but but but but let me answer that this way,

906
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: because faith is not magic. But faith is something you

907
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 4: don't see or you can earn truth. Okay, I agree, so,

908
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: but works is important to make faith come to existence.

909
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: All right. So I've always seen myself being what God

910
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: had prepared for me. I didn't see it, but I

911
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: believed it. So one of the things that I've always

912
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: taught my children and the upcoming artists and everything. You

913
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 2: have to see yourself as successful you have to see

914
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: yourself right now. You have to know your worth right now.

915
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: So again I always go back to my father. I

916
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 2: mean he really was, but he is to always say,

917
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: before my children leave my house, you're going to know

918
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: who you are. So when you go on to the

919
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: world and they tell you who you are, you won't

920
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,479
Speaker 2: believe it because you already know it. You know. It's

921
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: this generation. What what I enjoy is that they have

922
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: a confidence that we didn't have back then, and they

923
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: have some of the tubes that we didn't have back then.

924
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: Don't forget they got it on our backs.

925
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: Us two still.

926
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and every reason that they have to rest today

927
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: is because of our work. Let's not forget that. Like, yes, baby,

928
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: you can rest today because we worked yesterday, because we

929
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: worked today before that.

930
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: For the word of appreciation of that work.

931
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: Look okay, So yes, gratitude is important, absolutely important.

932
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 2: I mean because again, you know, some of my heroes

933
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: have passed away this year, and I've gone to their

934
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 2: celebrations because I had to be there to say thank you,

935
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: said it before they passed away, because they opened doors,

936
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: They did a lot of the knocking down of the

937
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: doors and everything, and so as CEC and I have

938
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: you know. I knew then this door that we're knocking

939
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: down is not just for us, but it's for the

940
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: Kirk Franklin, it's for the Mary Mayor's, it's for all

941
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: the other people that are following us. And they could

942
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: go through the door because they did the work. I'll say,

943
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: that's perfect, perfect. I remember we did. I used to

944
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: do all the and I still do something all the

945
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: music behind the scenes for Oprah Winfrey, right, And so

946
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 2: we did the Legends ball, and I was over the

947
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: music for the Legends Ball, and so Oprah decided at

948
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: the last minute to put this girl in the lineup.

949
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: And I called her and said, what are you doing?

950
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: This woman is not ready for she had a nice

951
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: she had a nice voice at an actually a wonderful voice.

952
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: She reminded you of Aretha Franklin and her presentation and

953
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: long story short, hey you got the last word. She

954
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: was in the lineup, but I knew was she ready ready?

955
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: And she wasn't ready, not because of the talent she

956
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: had inside of her. She she wasn't ready to stand

957
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: up in front of the people. Uretha Franklin night and

958
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: Barbara Streis saying and all these other people. She started,

959
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: she started taking like the Titanic. And at that moment,

960
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: at that moment, I can't say that I was very merciful.

961
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: You came in saved. So I saw Oprah get up

962
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: and she ran around to the stage where I was,

963
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 2: and she was and I wouldn't. I wouldn't, and oh,

964
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the truth, and she's truth. Oprah wanted

965
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: to talk to you. And I look at her waiting,

966
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: coming quickly because this woman is dying. This whole thing

967
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: is gone down. It's hard. And so I went over

968
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: and she said, you gotta do something, and I looked

969
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: at her. I said, uh, oh, you want me to

970
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: do something about the person that you put in the

971
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 2: program that I told you. Oh, I was enjoying the moment.

972
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: But it was beautiful. But it also but you know,

973
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 3: the friendship that you have with Oprah in that way

974
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: because she need that truth, She need that honestly, And

975
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure yes, and that is I'm sure that's why

976
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: y'all been friends as long. Like, come on, girl, I

977
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 3: told you.

978
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: We saved the day because to legends, you had to

979
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: have legends. And that was the Hawkins family that tore

980
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: the place down.

981
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: They went after her, after the young lady. They went

982
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: after her.

983
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that was the group that I had

984
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: lined up, and I had everything else and lined up.

985
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 2: You just stuck her in and it almost took the

986
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: whole thing down.

987
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 4: To Oprah's credit. And you gotta you gotta remember that.

988
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 4: You know, Oprah came to national prominence as that woman

989
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 4: in the color Purple. We didn't know who Oprah Winfrey was.

990
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 4: They could have easily given that role to someone of

991
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 4: Oscar caliber, you know whatever. You know, I can see that,

992
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 4: and I've seen a few times where Oprah might want

993
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: to highlight someone that's untested Trueton see if you're ready

994
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 4: for it, and this message, this.

995
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: Event.

996
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: But I repent again, mister Wyne. It's a testament to

997
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 3: your relationship with Lady Oh that has been led lasted

998
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: this long because at the level she's at, everybody don't

999
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: have that level of honesty with her. And so I

1000
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: just think it's beautiful that y'all still have this relationship

1001
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: and it works.

1002
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: I mean, our relationship goes back to the first six

1003
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: months of her show. I was called and I wrote

1004
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: a commercial for the show called I Found a Friend

1005
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: in Oprah. So our relationship goes way back. Always we

1006
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: agree that I had the relationship. We had the relationship

1007
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: where we would tell each other the truth no matter what.

1008
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: I love that she has been a great friend and

1009
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 2: andce versa, you know.

1010
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 4: But at the same time, no ideas like you still

1011
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: better lie to me anyway.

1012
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 3: I am that I'm friend.

1013
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 2: Stop it. But in that, in that that is so funny.

1014
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: But in that this is why, this is why she

1015
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: wanted you tell the.

1016
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 3: Story this thirty years right here, BB.

1017
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: Okay, But but I tell you the truth. One of

1018
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: the things that I love more than anything is friendship.

1019
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 2: And if you really have a friend, that friend is

1020
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 2: going to tell you the truth, you know, especially in

1021
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: this industry where you're surrounded by people who act like

1022
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: and that's quest love supreme thinking no, no, no, but I

1023
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: was going to say it.

1024
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 3: So it also shows that I'm guessing that part of

1025
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: the result of this friendship is our ability to see.

1026
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: In green leaf exactly. And so so the funny So

1027
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: so that story is very simple. My niece who was

1028
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: who is uh loved acting ever since she was two

1029
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 2: years old. She knew you, and so I got behind

1030
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 2: her in her years, and she was playing the part

1031
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: of CC in my musical. And so I had a

1032
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: table reading in New York that I had oprahcomm and

1033
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: various other people, Sicily Tyson. And then after that I

1034
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: get a call from Oprah about green Leaf. She sent

1035
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: me the script and she asked me to read it.

1036
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: And then she then she said, well, your niece, but

1037
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 2: I know she's doing your play. I would love for

1038
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 2: her to I said, girl, whatever you would love for

1039
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 2: my niece to do, don't worry about my play. Fashion

1040
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 2: was to act. And so she did work and and

1041
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: she ended up on the show and excited. There's the

1042
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: other things that are happening that me and my nieces

1043
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: girl do a movie together, and she's going to play

1044
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: my daughter in this movie. So I'm enjoying that moment.

1045
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: That I love you name my niece, my baby, my

1046
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: niece girl.

1047
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 4: Speaking of Greenleaf, I became really good friends with a

1048
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: Merrill on the ship. The other thing that I've I've

1049
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 4: done that's different after the pandemic is making time for

1050
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 4: fun and joy because people are like too serious, you

1051
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 4: were too much, You don't take time out for yourself.

1052
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: And so I've started like a series of Game Nights.

1053
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 4: And Merle is also a part of my word old group.

1054
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 4: You know, we we played the New York Times World

1055
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: and there's eight of us and you know it's fastary

1056
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: of people are the actors, actresses, news people and literally

1057
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 4: I'm keeping an eye on our scoreboard.

1058
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: And she.

1059
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 4: Meryl is an overchiever in gaming right now. So I'm

1060
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 4: giving I'm giving a shout out tomorrow.

1061
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: So if you play scrabble and you have feelings, don't

1062
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: play with any of my family members. Wow. Oh we

1063
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: come at you. Oh, we come at you with sarcasm.

1064
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: You put a word up there that we're not familiar

1065
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: with and we know it is not a word. Now

1066
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 2: say that you lose that. We start creating sentences with

1067
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: that word and it it breaks your heart. So, oh yeah,

1068
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: you don't want to not scrabble?

1069
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 3: Is at a wine in this game night? Is there profanity?

1070
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: No? And and and because it was just not in us,

1071
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: we weren't raised. So I was just going to ask,

1072
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: are you guys allowed to argue? Oh? Yeah, I mean

1073
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: but if we said when we were coming up words,

1074
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: shut up, that would just stir my mom and dad,

1075
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: like don't you say so? But we have become very

1076
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: good friends with Whitney, right, and she became like family.

1077
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: And one day CC and I were over and she

1078
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: was she was, you know, we're talking about the first major.

1079
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 2: But she said, I got to ask you all a question.

1080
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: It was like what she said, I've been wanting to

1081
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: ask all this all the times. Okay, what she said,

1082
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: y'all don't curse? Why don't y'all.

1083
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 3: What do y'all do? What do you put in the

1084
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 3: place of them words?

1085
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: It was so funny because it never dawned on us

1086
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: that you're checking out every word there was.

1087
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: Is she feeling like some type of way?

1088
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: But every now and then and then she stopped doing

1089
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: all together. And my answer was, Whitney, it's not in me.

1090
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: It's just not in me. There's more vocabulary. You will

1091
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 2: know how I feel by the words I say, but

1092
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: they won't be loaded with words that maybe you're familiar

1093
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: with and and and so it's important, I think, more

1094
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: than than ever, that we teach our children how to

1095
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: stand up, how to argue, how to get it. You know,

1096
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: anger and hatred does not benefit anger and hatred. You know,

1097
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 2: I can say some words to you because the scriptures

1098
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: even tell us that let your words be filled with

1099
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 2: honey and sweetness. You can kill them with honey and

1100
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: sweetness more so than the same hatred that they use.

1101
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: So I was and I've always been a fan of that.

1102
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: So but that's for another two.

1103
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I wanted to ask you because well, one,

1104
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 4: I wanted to know what compelled you to write a

1105
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 4: book about Whitney, but just basically talk about the friendship

1106
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 4: and the fact that I think since your second album,

1107
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 4: she's basically she's basically the auxiliary Wine and his family member.

1108
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: Oh, incredible relationship and it just happened. It just happened.

1109
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 2: There was nothing we did, nothing she did that caused

1110
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: us just to be like that. And I just I

1111
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: remember her saying, for the rest of my life, you

1112
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 2: guys have to be in my life and no major,

1113
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: no major choices I will make without sitting with you all,

1114
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: And was like, Okay, you know.

1115
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: That last part was heavy.

1116
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 4: But is the bonding based on vocal skill or is

1117
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 4: it just based on the fact that you guys grew up.

1118
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: There's elements there. But when I say our hearts just

1119
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 2: was knitted because I understand she met my brothers before

1120
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 2: she met me. In cc okay. I met her. I

1121
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: met her because she was on tour opening for Jeffrey

1122
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 2: Osbourne and she singing one of my brother's songs tomorrow

1123
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 2: in her set. I remember her walking out from the

1124
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: back and I said to her, I don't know what

1125
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: church you came out of. I don't know your last name.

1126
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know your middle name, but I

1127
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: know you come from some church singing the way you sing.

1128
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: And she smiled and said New Hope Baptist, and so

1129
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 2: we laughed and just that moment, and so I can

1130
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 2: go through the years. But one of the things that

1131
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 2: always sticks out with her is I run every morning,

1132
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 2: right Monday through Saturday, and I run my path and

1133
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: asked her, I go buy this home. And every time

1134
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: I see it, I smile, sometimes I cry. It's because

1135
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 2: it was my first home and I saved the money.

1136
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 2: And then because of race and various other risks that

1137
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: they see in the color student, they decided you need

1138
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: it seventy five percent to put on the house instead

1139
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 2: of fifty, which was high from the get go. And

1140
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,240
Speaker 2: so just like any other time, Hey what's going on? Hey,

1141
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 2: I think what was wrong? How about the house? Well, yeah,

1142
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 2: they you know, threw a curve and she's like, what

1143
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: it was like, don't worry about it, No, tell me,

1144
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: And so I told her what was going on with

1145
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: D D D this thing I knew. Whitney flew in

1146
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: unannounced and at that point me and my wife, we

1147
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: stayed in a one bedroom apartment. So she decided she

1148
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: going to spend the night, slept on the couch and

1149
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: I remember walking out now and she's Whitney Houston. He's

1150
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston. The number one song is I Want to

1151
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: Dance with Somebody. Wow.

1152
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: Okay.

1153
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: She's sleeping on the couch and I'm trying to sneak

1154
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: out of the door because you opened the door. The

1155
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 2: sun hits the couch and so I'm sneaking out. The

1156
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: sun hits and she wakes up. Her hair is going

1157
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 2: every witch away and I started laughing and I said, boy,

1158
01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: if they can see you now to night. Ah. She said,

1159
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 2: shut up, where where are you going? I said, Whitney,

1160
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 2: I just got to go on her air and I'll

1161
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: be right back, okay, because we got to go see

1162
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: that house. I was like, girls, shut up, and so

1163
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: I went came back. We went to the house, going

1164
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 2: through this house because every room Whitney would say, oh yeah,

1165
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: now that that looks like my brother's veryl oh that's

1166
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,520
Speaker 2: like my brother's bathroom. Oh that looks like my brother's

1167
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 2: a laundry room. It was like, what's wrong with you?

1168
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: And so the last place we stepped on the porch

1169
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: and she said, oh yeah, this looks like my brother's porch.

1170
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 2: And then she hands me an envelope and I said

1171
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: what is it? And she said, she opened you she'd

1172
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: opened it up. I said, what, I opened it up,

1173
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 2: and it is the fifty thousand dollars that I needed

1174
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: to buy my home. Oh man, And she said, I

1175
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 2: told you this was my brother's house. And I was like,

1176
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: oh man, witn'ey? I mean I got to pay. She said,

1177
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 2: don't you worry about Okay, let's go. So so when

1178
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: I run by the house now, I paid her back right,

1179
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: And she called me because I paid it to her

1180
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: accountants and she said, they just called me. Tell me

1181
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 2: you paid me. And I said, yeah, I told you

1182
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 2: I was gonna pay you. She said, a lot of

1183
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 2: people say to me, but and I you know, I

1184
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: sold the house years ago, but every time I run

1185
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: by that house, I can't help but think of her,

1186
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 2: oh man, help her, think of her love of after

1187
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: of every experience that we had together, which lives inside

1188
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:51,759
Speaker 2: of me. And uh, she was just she was family.

1189
01:13:51,840 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: One of the greatest, uh friendships I can even imagine.

1190
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 3: So that must be the answer to a mere's question

1191
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 3: of why the book, because were these stories just about

1192
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 3: to explode inside of you?

1193
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? But the stories of what people didn't know, you know,

1194
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. The only thing, Yeah, the only

1195
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: thing they talked about was the problem she had with

1196
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: you and this and that, and it's just like that

1197
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: is that is not her? Let me tell you about

1198
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: the ninety five percent of her that y'all don't know.

1199
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,839
Speaker 2: And so I felt a need and it was therapy

1200
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 2: for me, It really was, because that was a hard moment.

1201
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: I got a call that night from her mom and

1202
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: when she called me, she said, I wanted you to

1203
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: know what my daughter meant to you and what you

1204
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:49,759
Speaker 2: meant to my daughter. And I had to pull over

1205
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 2: and like a down broken side of me and I

1206
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: just wept because not only is the news hard enough,

1207
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 2: but Sissy, you checking on me. I need to be

1208
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 2: checking on you. But it was we were family. We

1209
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,480
Speaker 2: really were family and she is the best.

1210
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: Thank you for the book and continuing to tell these

1211
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 3: stories everywhere, Like thank you.

1212
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: Let me ask because there's something I always wanted to know,

1213
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 4: especially when it comes to celebrations, and you mentioned it

1214
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 4: earlier and yeah, I watched whitney service when it was

1215
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 4: on CNN. Oftentimes the world will lean on the anointed

1216
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 4: gospel singers to really come through in one of the

1217
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 4: most lowest, saddest moments in a person's journey, which is there.

1218
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 4: I believe it's a transitioning, not a death, but it's

1219
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:03,480
Speaker 4: very sad for the people left behind. And Whitney's celebration

1220
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 4: was one of those moments where a lot of joyful

1221
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,480
Speaker 4: noise gospel singing.

1222
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 2: Needed to be utilized to help celebrate her.

1223
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 4: But I know that it has to sting extra hard

1224
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 4: where you yourself, even if you're in a mournful state

1225
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 4: for someone that you knew, Like it's one thing if

1226
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 4: you're just called, hey, can you sing at this funeral?

1227
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 2: You know his brother passed away, and da da da da.

1228
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 4: Da, But could you describe to me because I wanted

1229
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 4: to know it was the most difficult thing you could do.

1230
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 4: How did how did you channel or pull into you

1231
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 4: to step to the plate, and really.

1232
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: Just didn't want to do it, didn't know what and

1233
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: for me, not even for my sister, not for my brothers.

1234
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 2: I'm not good at singing, at which I felt apart

1235
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 2: at her so vibration before I started singing, even before

1236
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: and after, because this person means a lot to me, right,

1237
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 2: So the only thing other than God's help that gave

1238
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: me the stremp to do it is that I heard

1239
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 2: what she would say. So when I got up that

1240
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: morning and I started getting dressed, I started crying. And

1241
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: then I remember sitting standing up and I could hear

1242
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 2: her say, now, don't you mess up. And that's what

1243
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: she would say while we were alive. You know each other.

1244
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 2: So I used to say to her because she would

1245
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: call sometimes say her voice was gone, and I would say, oh,

1246
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 2: I wish I was there because I know now you're

1247
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 2: gonna really sing, because you got to take different avenues

1248
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 2: to do what you do. I remember in New York

1249
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 2: when she's sung at Radio City Music Hall for Clive Davis.

1250
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: It was something she had this burgundy dress on. She

1251
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 2: was so hor and I was excited because I knew Oh,

1252
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: she's going, she's gonna really give it to y'all because

1253
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: she has to. So I heard in my head, don't

1254
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 2: you mess up. You better look good and you better now,

1255
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 2: you know, because that's what she said in life, right,

1256
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 2: And so that is what I leaned on, and I

1257
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: focused in on those moments, not that moment. You know,

1258
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: I had enough time to focus on that moment when

1259
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 2: I sat down and could just you know, weep.

1260
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 4: I always wanted to ask you that question, like what

1261
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 4: is it to reach to use your gift when you

1262
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 4: might not necessarily be in the mind state to deliver,

1263
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: but you know you have to not only deliver for

1264
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 4: the church, but also you know the world's watching you.

1265
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and understand not only deliver for them, but deliver

1266
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 2: for me. So before my songs touch anyone else's heart,

1267
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 2: it touches his mind because it comes from my heart.

1268
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: It comes from my experience, It comes from the down times,

1269
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 2: it comes from the victories and the defeats. And so

1270
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 2: I sing what I believe. No matter what you know,

1271
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 2: whether it's it'sy bitsy spider kind of spout, it means

1272
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: a different thing to me. Gotcha.

1273
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 4: Hey, Speaking of crowds and performing every night. Can you

1274
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 4: talk about your experience and playing on harpo in the

1275
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 4: Color Purple?

1276
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: My theater experienced Baby Lake.

1277
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,440
Speaker 2: What's that like for you? Oh? That was a double ed'swore,

1278
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 2: you know. So I got a phone call from a

1279
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 2: guy named Scott that told me he wanted me to

1280
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: come in and write some songs for a new music

1281
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: that was going to happen called The Color Purple. So

1282
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 2: I went in to New York and then I remember,

1283
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: as time was going on, I called Oprah and said, hey,

1284
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,560
Speaker 2: they're making a musical and her words was that's stupid.

1285
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,440
Speaker 3: Fast forward'st forward best forward.

1286
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: Forward, not too fast. But as I fast forward and

1287
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 2: was walking down the street, I picked up a mag

1288
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: You know, this is when we had newspapers in the USA.

1289
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: To day there was the announcement of Color Purple coming

1290
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 2: in the Broadway and my name was nowhere on the

1291
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 2: credits and the guy wouldn't call me back. I mean,

1292
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 2: broke my little heart. But what you know what I'm saying,

1293
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 2: and so hey, and then next thing I know, Oprah

1294
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: is one of the producers and this and that. I

1295
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, well you know that's it's hilarious.

1296
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: What that's a lot. And then then I get to

1297
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 2: get a phone call. Opening night is about to happen,

1298
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: and Oprah and Gail calls me and says, you got

1299
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 2: to be at the opening. I said, I don't have

1300
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: to do nothing of God and breathe, y'all know what happened.

1301
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm not coming. And then something in me said go

1302
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 2: And I remember going hoping hear me right, hoping that

1303
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: it was a mess.

1304
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 3: You don't gonna tell us who was playing Harple at

1305
01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 3: the time? Are you?

1306
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 2: It was like it was the hope I forgive the original? Yeah,

1307
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: this is the original. I'm like, So I'm sitting there

1308
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: saying that was a good song. Oh man, that was

1309
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 2: pretty good.

1310
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 4: Don't you hate giving in?

1311
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: So at the end, I remember so I found Scott

1312
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: and I went up to him and I said I

1313
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: wanted just to tell you congratulations, sir, and he looked

1314
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 2: like he said deer in hairlights and he was like, oh, thanks, Phoebe.

1315
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: I said, you know, much success to you. So bounce back.

1316
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 2: Two years later, for a year or so, I get

1317
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: a phone call saying they want you to come in

1318
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: and Gae will call me. Just just be out there.

1319
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: They want you to be harpo. Mister was the position.

1320
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,960
Speaker 2: I said, girl, please, I ain't got time for that.

1321
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: You don't remember I do, and so they'll say do

1322
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 2: just for open, you know. I was like, y'all, you

1323
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 2: know what, I'm gonna come in. And when I got there,

1324
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: they switched it and wanted me to do Harpo. I

1325
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: bumped into Shaka Khan. I was like, why are you here?

1326
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,639
Speaker 2: She said, well, I'm They asked me to do Sophia

1327
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 2: because they asked. I said, that's not what they asked.

1328
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: So this this tricks just going on, and you know,

1329
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:04,679
Speaker 2: tricks are for kids or grown ups. So we did

1330
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 2: the thing and I didn't care if I got the

1331
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 2: point the party. Now that evening, I got a phone

1332
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: call from Scott and he said, we loved you. And

1333
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: before we get another thing out, I said, Scott, why

1334
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: don't we start with you apologizing what happened two years ago? Dang,

1335
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 2: you apologized, and right after you apologized, I said, I'll

1336
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 2: do the part, but let's not sit up here and

1337
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: act like.

1338
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 3: I love you.

1339
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: Be back.

1340
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 3: I love the truth or yeah two plus suit not

1341
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 3: equal four.

1342
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: It, you know, come on. So I enjoyed it I said,

1343
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 2: this is probably gonna be my last time, because I

1344
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 2: did Broadway in nineteen eighty six on a show called

1345
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Don't Get God Started, and it's just hard work and

1346
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 2: your life winds the line life is gone, you can't.

1347
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I remember walking down the street seeing, oh, the Queen

1348
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 2: is coming to to to Radio City. I'm gonna go there,

1349
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 2: and some saying, no, you ain't. You're gonna be on stage.

1350
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 2: You gotta work. Yeah, so time it was one. I

1351
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: don't know if I did anything after that, but it

1352
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 2: is something I'm excited to be on the other side

1353
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 2: of and giving jobs to so many wonderful, talented people

1354
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: that are out there. So but yeah, you know it was.

1355
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 2: It was great. Thank you.

1356
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: I have two more questions than we could wrap up,

1357
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 4: and I do have to know because pivots are a

1358
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 4: big part of your story. What was the deciding factor

1359
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 4: that you go solo after having sung with your sister

1360
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 4: for so long? Like, how hard was the transition and

1361
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 4: not being BB and CC wining?

1362
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: Not hard at all. You're a BANDI ripper, Okay, you're

1363
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: not sentimental. I never heard before. Let's let's go think

1364
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna use that. No, because this was planned

1365
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 2: in my mind from this first album. So from first

1366
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 2: album to the end, there's always been a solo on

1367
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 2: the duet album for CC and for me, because I

1368
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: knew we were going to do solos, and so the

1369
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 2: record company would be angry and I was like, no, no, no,

1370
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 2: Inside I knew, and when that day happened, we had

1371
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,839
Speaker 2: something to build. Each of us had something to build upon.

1372
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 3: Your look catalog and some songs you had already done solo.

1373
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 2: And so when that day came, I said, CC, ladies, first,

1374
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go somewhere and rest my brain. Hmmm, do

1375
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 2: other things because it would have been crazy for us

1376
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:06,959
Speaker 2: to try to do it at the same time, because

1377
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 2: we would be fighting for the same audience. So I

1378
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: went away. For years, some people thought I had passed away.

1379
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: We didn't.

1380
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 4: You tried your hand in acting because you're in the

1381
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 4: Manturian Candidate, even though it's a cameo.

1382
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I did that, not trying to That was again

1383
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 2: when when doors opened, I've learned to walk through. But

1384
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, Denzel directed my first video. It was his

1385
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 2: directorial in Harm's way. Vinzel did that and at the

1386
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 2: end of the video didn't connected. Oh yeah, and doors.

1387
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: I love interdience.

1388
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 3: I loved That's what that is, that's love.

1389
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: So so he directed that and at the end of

1390
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: the thing he said, I'm gonna tell you one thing.

1391
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, what did I do? What did

1392
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 2: I do? And he said, you got some acting shops.

1393
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 2: You should act? And I said, well, well, Denzel's telling

1394
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 2: me I can act. I said, you ain't got to

1395
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 2: even worry about coming out of this year because I

1396
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 2: ain't gonna let it in this year. You're Dizel And

1397
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: he said, I'm just telling you. And ten years down

1398
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 2: the road, I'm in mancheering candidate, not because of Denzel

1399
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: but because of the director meeting me at a birthday

1400
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 2: celebration and he says, you're gonna be in my next movie.

1401
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, okay, I guess you're a director.

1402
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 2: And then here I am finding out this man's name

1403
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 2: was Jonathan Demi. J oh my god, I knew it.

1404
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,799
Speaker 2: I knew it was Jonathan. So I'm at this meeting

1405
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: with a friend and I picked up the Variety of

1406
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: magazine and I was like, this is the name of

1407
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 2: the movie that these people try to give me here,

1408
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 2: and he said, what's the guy's name, I said, Jonathan

1409
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,639
Speaker 2: something he said Jonathan Demi bebey. I said, yeah, that's

1410
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: that man's name. And so that's how that happened. Having

1411
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 2: that experience, Jonathan calls me and says, you gotta do

1412
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: more movies. It's like, what is wrong with y'all?

1413
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 3: So then what you ain't? What's that with that though?

1414
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 2: So so hey, I just did my first TV series

1415
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 2: premiere June the second called uh Minor Business with Lumbus Short.

1416
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 2: I didn't even know who he was. And then I

1417
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 2: was from from a Scandal Pendo Yes the cast and

1418
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:43,879
Speaker 2: it bounced TV and it was the most previous in history.

1419
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: They're history over two million households. So I'm on that.

1420
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: My name is Henry and that is doing well. And

1421
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 2: so the fear, let's just say that, the fear of

1422
01:28:55,960 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: stepping into that, you know, part of my my world

1423
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 2: is starting to dissipate. And but you said something earlier

1424
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: that that is important to me. If I'm not having fun,

1425
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it. Yeah, you know, so

1426
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: this new song, I'm having fun doing that again because

1427
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I have behind the scenes, so Father and Heaven right now,

1428
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 2: I went overseas and four concerts in South Africa and

1429
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: it just was it woke up the sleeping Bear. Did

1430
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: you miss it? I didn't miss it because I really

1431
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 2: truly don't. I'm allergic to the word tour. I get

1432
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: is what is the wordst thing about touring? Travel, travel

1433
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 2: and dealing with children, And that's what I call the

1434
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: band and everybody else they're children. You still have to

1435
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: keep the children in line. You have to do, you know,

1436
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,439
Speaker 2: So that's the hard part. Way.

1437
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:01,520
Speaker 4: And when you mean children, are you referring to musicians

1438
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 4: you overplay?

1439
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yes, as if they came to see you, they.

1440
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 3: Still do that to you. Oh, I just they would

1441
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 3: be disciplined enough.

1442
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am. I am the last Mohican. I'm world

1443
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 2: famous for doing nothing. I'm world famous for doing nothing

1444
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 2: because I was.

1445
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 4: Like, I am a metronome and that's that's how I

1446
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:28,679
Speaker 4: paid the bills.

1447
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 3: Wait, Amir, you will be mad if we don't ask

1448
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: this question before we were in this interview, because listen,

1449
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, I was hosting a Q and A

1450
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,639
Speaker 3: at Capitol Jazz Fest and Louis Bega was the man

1451
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 3: on the stage. And every New Year everybody wanted to

1452
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 3: talk about BB and this this relationship that you had

1453
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 3: with Louis Bega and this collaboration that you've been doing

1454
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 3: for years. Can you just I would like you to

1455
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 3: just tell me about your first meeting with Louis and

1456
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 3: with the magic that was.

1457
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: It's to me, I forget how we met. He had

1458
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 2: mixed the song thank You, and Luther was like a

1459
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 2: brother to me, and so I helped him get Luther

1460
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: to come on and do a thing on his seat

1461
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 2: as well. But Luther did a lot of the background

1462
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: for me and Cec. I mean, I can name you

1463
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:26,759
Speaker 2: five or six songs that Luka I love you answer

1464
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: that question, Ben, I mean searching for Love? So searching

1465
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 2: for love, Yeah, the one found search in Fad.

1466
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 3: He was the background vocal king.

1467
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,960
Speaker 2: That's Luther, his arrangement and him and his singer. He's

1468
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 2: a whole another I have to come back. So so

1469
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 2: Louis Vega, we did the song. The song started really

1470
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: generating a lot in the house. In the house, and

1471
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 2: so he calls me. I think this is where this

1472
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 2: is when Louie and I became friends. He called me

1473
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 2: and said, BB can you please come and sing it

1474
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 2: live at the shelter. Now I don't even know what

1475
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: the shelter was. Wow, boy, yeah, I can't this story,

1476
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 2: I said, Louis, yes, so I said yes because I

1477
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 2: had no idea what was going on. Your team did it.

1478
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 2: So my singers came with me, and when we got

1479
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 2: to New York, Louis calls and said, hey, man, I'm excited,

1480
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 2: so we'll pick you up like at four. Now when

1481
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:37,559
Speaker 2: I am chriss, I stumbled when I even talk about

1482
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: it now years ago. So it was like one PM.

1483
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,760
Speaker 2: I said, you're gonna pick us up? Oh, in three hours? Okay,

1484
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 2: we'll be ready. He said, no, no, no, people pick you

1485
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: up at four am. I said, I said, whoa pick four?

1486
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 2: You picking us up at four?

1487
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 3: He?

1488
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 2: What? What time?

1489
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 3: We go on?

1490
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: Forty five and five? I said, what what are you

1491
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 2: talking about? What boy, how are you talking about? Say?

1492
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I've never sung at four point thirty and what do

1493
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 2: you talk? People are up? Quite seriously, it was like

1494
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,679
Speaker 2: I'm thrown when we went to that place. First of all,

1495
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: we trying to stay up was the hardest thing in

1496
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 2: my life. So he picks us up. We go to

1497
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 2: the shelter. I've never seen so many people in my life,

1498
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:40,360
Speaker 2: and I'm like, are these vampires and then we sang

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01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: the song. I'm telling you, I've seen audiences that is

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01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:52,640
Speaker 2: waiting to hear their song. Yes, ever saw an audience

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01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:57,519
Speaker 2: like this before. They knew every lick, every line, they

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01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: knew every pause, and they were celebrating like I never

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01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: saw people celebrate like this before. It blew my mind.

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01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 2: And so after that, Louis was like, Phoebe, you gotta

1505
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 2: go with me. I said, no, no, no, be me

1506
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 2: one and done. You're gonna give you? I said, because

1507
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 2: I love you, I'm gonna give you three more. So

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01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 2: I remember I did one in Miami, I did one

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01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 2: in London. And then so he calls me. I said, Louis,

1510
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 2: don't you call me. But when I say, I have

1511
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:35,880
Speaker 2: a love for him and his talent and and and

1512
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 2: all of them, that's my brother.

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01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 3: Those records and y'all have changed, like y'all have changed

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01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,720
Speaker 3: in house and gospel at the second and now his

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01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 3: other records with the Clark Sisters and of Your Brothers

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01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 3: and now the Brell song the Joy Join. I'm like,

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01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 3: this is just the baby of like with y'all. You

1518
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 3: know what.

1519
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:57,759
Speaker 4: To me, it's only right only because it's historically speaking

1520
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you're from Detroit, and the world doesn't know.

1521
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 4: Like I know, the world thinks like Motown, there's great

1522
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 4: jazz that comes out of Detroit, but the world really

1523
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 4: doesn't know that the role that Detroit has played in

1524
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:19,040
Speaker 4: electronic music. And there's this whole you know, Chicago versus

1525
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 4: Detroit thing. But to me, it makes all the sense

1526
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 4: in the world that this pairing happened in the fact

1527
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:27,720
Speaker 4: that you did it in the.

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01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 2: Second best nightclub in world history.

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01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 4: Of course, you know, to the Shelter will even say

1530
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 4: that their modus operandi was sort of that of what

1531
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,640
Speaker 4: Paradise Garage represented in the early eighties. But to me,

1532
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 4: gospel flavored house music is one of the most spiritual

1533
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 4: experiences that one could watch it.

1534
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 3: So spirit yes, amir, it is in your buy. It

1535
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,920
Speaker 3: does something to your insides.

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01:35:56,800 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 4: Well, because you gotta make a joyful noise and you

1537
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 4: also have to move, and the African people we move.

1538
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 2: And that's that's the thing. So I did the picnic

1539
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: loyal call and say, uh, bbe, it's not for me.

1540
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 2: It's like who is it? Before you know? Yeah, they

1541
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 2: call him to get me, And I was like, Louis

1542
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 2: who you stop calling me. So I did the picnic

1543
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 2: in Chicago.

1544
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 4: It was Oh, that's important, it's important.

1545
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 2: It's important. All my stars that it was unbelievable. I'm serious.

1546
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: When the when the music start, it's just it goes through.

1547
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 2: There's such an appreciation for their music that they have

1548
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 2: that I don't think any other genre has.

1549
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 3: I think that's true.

1550
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 2: I learn that.

1551
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 4: I learned that I still maintain that gospel music belongs

1552
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 4: in the clubs.

1553
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:01,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry everywhere I am. I believe it songs everywhere,

1554
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 2: and I you know, so as a songwriter you learn

1555
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 2: over the years. You learn if you've written something that's mediocre,

1556
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 2: you've readen something like that, Oh this so this song

1557
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: now that's out the word scared is not the thing.

1558
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,639
Speaker 2: But I anticipate where it's going to go. I think

1559
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 2: it has the legs to go everywhere that the other

1560
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 2: songs that I've written that's crossed lines will do. And

1561
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 2: so I'm excited about it makes sense, Yeah, and so

1562
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: it makes so. You know, I'm in a great space.

1563
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: But again it's not just for me. I grow in

1564
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: these spaces, but I know it's also for some that

1565
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,800
Speaker 2: are coming through this way as well. That's exemplary.

1566
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 4: Wait, I guess it's one important question I do have

1567
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 4: to ask you, and this kind of ties into the

1568
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 4: whole proud family thing.

1569
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 2: Is BB your birth name? Thank you with me? Thank you?

1570
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 2: My given name is Benjamin. My CC's given name is Priscilla.

1571
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 2: Wasn't for Jim Baker again Jim and Tammy Fay Baker.

1572
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 2: So no one knew our nickname other than the people

1573
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: you know in my household I'm a dad and all them.

1574
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:26,479
Speaker 2: And then people at my church they called us BB

1575
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 2: and CC, but at school was Benjamin. And so after

1576
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 2: some of the success, remember going back to Mumford High

1577
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 2: for our ten year school reunion and walked in and

1578
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 2: the people who only knew us by Benjamin, they looked

1579
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 2: over and said, oh, hey, Phoebe. I was like, pep,

1580
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 2: you don't know me as Pobe. So if you want

1581
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: to stop me in my tracks, you call me Benjamin exactly,

1582
01:38:58,280 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 2: stopping my.

1583
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 4: Even worse as fans call you Benjamin, and then you're

1584
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 4: like no, right, Like some people will say to me, hey,

1585
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 4: a mirror, and then my mind's like first grade, second grade,

1586
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 4: third grade, fourth grade. They're like, man, I'm just depend

1587
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:20,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, go for that well, brother BB, I

1588
01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 4: want to thank you for this conversation, Uh just amazing.

1589
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,599
Speaker 2: Thank you for spending with like and myself, and.

1590
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,959
Speaker 3: Thank you Sarrid and Alita, thank you, yes.

1591
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much.

1592
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 4: And I hope our listeners out there enjoyed this particular episode.

1593
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 2: I know I did.

1594
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 4: And on behalf of Sugar Steve and Pon Tigolo and

1595
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 4: Unpaid Bill and like yeah myself this Quest Love Supreme

1596
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 4: and thank you once again and we'll see you on

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01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 4: in the next program.

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01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,360
Speaker 2: Thank you listening to Quest Love Supreme.

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01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 6: This podcast is hosted by Amir Wees, Love Thompson, Big

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Speaker 6: Boss Man, Like Saint Clair Black Black Myself, Fontigelo, Fonte Covid, Sugar,

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Speaker 6: Steve Mandel and Unpaid Bill Sherman. The executive producers are

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