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Speaker 2: His strikes ub sorb per minute three point three to four,

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Speaker 1: It's hard because if you're Korean zombie and you look

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Speaker 2: I mean to me, you know, there's obviously this is

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Speaker 2: If Korean Zombie gets the victory, that is going to

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Speaker 1: I talked on Wednesday that if you're Korean Zombie, you

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Speaker 1: It is possible, But all that said, Luke, I do

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Speaker 1: Volkanowski's last nine UFC fights have gone the distance. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess that I think a late stoppage. I

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Speaker 1: B see, I mean look to be fair or Tega

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Speaker 1: threat at times that I think the referee was a

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Speaker 1: little bit cautious and stopping it knowing that Ortega could

429
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Speaker 1: rally for some thing. Really, when he's when Alexander Volkanowski

430
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 1: starts putting it on you, you're not talking to him

431
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,199
Speaker 1: about him as a point fighter anymore. He has that

432
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 1: finishing ability. I think he made Jose Aldo go in

433
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 1: the other direction. Look what he did to with Chad

434
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: Mendis so yeah, I like the champion by stop it, chair, Luke,

435
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,360
Speaker 1: I could come by submission on the ground after wearing

436
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: the zombie down. It's not as if we've seen the

437
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,439
Speaker 1: zombie being historically vulnerable. He's got an iron chin. I

438
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 1: mean it took that yeah, you're Rodriguez ridiculous elbow to

439
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: finish him. It took a shoulder injury to you know,

440
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 1: for all though to finish him with Volkanowski's just two

441
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 1: pinpoint perfect on the way he sets it up, Luke.

442
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 1: And if he can chip away at that lead leg

443
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: and again, uh tkz very heavy on that leak lead leg, Luke,

444
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,199
Speaker 1: you're gonna slow him down, You're gonna set him up

445
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: for the finish. So uh, I like your boy exiting

446
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 1: this fight with a renewed pep in his step in

447
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: the overall number one pound for pound conversation. But that's

448
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: just me talking little right.

449
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: Yes, well, let's see what he does first. Let's see

450
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Speaker 2: what he does first, and then we can revisit the conversation.

451
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: Korean Zombie a very worthy adversary, so let's I agree

452
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: with you if and when he puts them away, we

453
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 2: need to very much revisit the convo. But first things first.

454
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Speaker 1: First things first, Luke, thirteen months after their unfortunate disqualification

455
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: ending which caused a bottleneck atop this loaded and deep

456
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: division at Bandamwait, we get pyodor Yan, the interim champ

457
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 1: against the full one Al Jamain sterling the rematch. As

458
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: we speak now, Caesar's has plus three seventy Al Joe

459
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: minus four ninety Fyodor Yan Luke. Thursday's presser, we saw

460
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: al Jo further leaning into the idea of almost this

461
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 1: comedic villain, maybe to pump himself up, maybe to try

462
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: to get in Yan's head, which really doesn't seem possible.

463
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 1: But he brought out the Jaguars helmet. He had the

464
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Speaker 1: MMA rulebook for dummies that do anything for you, that

465
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: do anything for this matchup? Or is it just all show?

466
00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't fine or whatever. If people are

467
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: into that, they're into that. If that matters to them,

468
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 2: it matters to them. These all of these narratives are

469
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: fun and they're you know, cool to talk about on

470
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 2: shows like this, But if we're talking x's and o's

471
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: then and the stuff that really matters come five time.

472
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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well then final add in on that.

473
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this morning, but Al

474
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: Joe got on the scales, made the championship wait and

475
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: broke down in tears. And he would say afterwards it

476
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: was you know a lot of emotions, people counting them out,

477
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: people not realizing the injury recovery that he went through

478
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Speaker 1: over the last thirteen months, and of course losing this

479
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: fight the first time around when Corey Sanhegan filled in

480
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: last minute. Luke, does this at least paint a picture

481
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Speaker 1: for you that Aljie mentally is right where he needs

482
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Speaker 1: to be to prove people wrong.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Actually, I watched his podcast this week,

484
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: and I've tried to like pay attention to interviews and whatnot.

485
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 2: I saw the way in this morning, as you indicated,

486
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: you know, he had the surgery. He's finally in a

487
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: place where he's healthy. I gotta say, I don't know

488
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 2: what it will mean for fight night, maybe nothing, but

489
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Algeban Sterling is in incredible condition. He's always treaded,

490
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: but he looks especially shredded this time, and I think

491
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: probably being healthy and getting back after it is really important. Listen.

492
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: I rewatched that first fight out. It looked to me

493
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: like jan was taking over about midway through, maybe a

494
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: little bit earlier depending on one's perspective, but he was

495
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: definitely taking over. You know, I suspect the same thing

496
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: will happen here again. But to answer the question you asked,

497
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 2: which is what kind of mind state is he in?

498
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Speaker 2: Is he in the most prepped mind state, the most

499
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: like dialed in? You know where? Where would he be

500
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 2: in this place? I do think he's dialed in. I

501
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: do think he trained really well. I do think he

502
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: crossed every t and dotted every eye. And that's exactly

503
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: what you want from a number one contender or a champion.

504
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: So he can only bring the skills that he has,

505
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: and he can only perform up up to what he

506
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: has trained. But it does appear to me that he

507
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: has put himself in the best possible position. And I

508
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: know folks are like said, he said a lot of

509
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Speaker 2: delusional things, and blah blah blah. Hello folk, I have

510
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: terrible news for you. Every fighter you love says delusional

511
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: things to you, to themselves, to their coaches, to everyone

512
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: around them. They do that as a necessity of trying

513
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: to put themselves in a position to win. They don't

514
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: let toxic or negative ideas wash over their brain. They

515
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: do the opposite, and sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't.

516
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: But if you don't do that, you cannot fight at

517
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: this level. So, Maco, what you want of the confidence

518
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: and everything else, some of it stayed, Some of its phony.

519
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's real, and more to

520
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: the point, I think he's finally healthy, and I think

521
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: he put together probably a very good game plan and

522
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: you know, prep for this particular contest.

523
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Speaker 1: Well, look, let's talk about that game plan. We went

524
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: at length on Wednesday reviewing the first fight. We saw

525
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: Algabin Sterling get off to that insanely quick start against

526
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Speaker 1: Corey Sandhagen and submit him out of nowhere. We saw

527
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: him look to put a similar aggressive pace on Yon

528
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: the first time, getting off first with the strikes, trying

529
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: to take the fight to the ground and succeeding early.

530
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Speaker 1: How different do you expect Sterling's approach to be that

531
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: he was guessing out, especially in that fourth round leading

532
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Speaker 1: up to the abrupt d Hues finish.

533
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what would be the other fight you

534
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: would point to where Sterling had suspect Cardio? The only

535
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: one that really stands out to me. I mean, there

536
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: could be wrong about this, but certainly the most noteworthy

537
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: one would be the Brian Carraway fight, but that was

538
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: very aberrant. So well, I do think I think he

539
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: has Cardio to go five rounds. I just feel like

540
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: what he did the first time has to be dialed

541
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: back a little bit. This, though, is the key be seen.

542
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: This is why I don't I'm not exactly sure what

543
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: Sterling's going to do except same things, different setups, different looks,

544
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: but he wants the same end goal. I think he's

545
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: going to go a lot to the body. I think

546
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: he's going to try to keep Yon at range with

547
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 2: pushkicks and leg kicks and slow him down everything he

548
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: possibly can, sticking and move, lateral movement, pressing him back,

549
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 2: stance switches, pulling him into traps, all that kind of stuff. Right,

550
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: But dude, that's a fuck load of work. If you

551
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: don't cow break how much you have to deliver and

552
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: how you deliver it up front. You can't scale that

553
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: over the course of five rounds, and you're gonna need

554
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: all five unless he makes some mistake. We go back

555
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: to this Alja Man. Sterling attempted seventeen takedowns against Pyotr Jan.

556
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: He scored one of them. By contrast, Yon scored all

557
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: seven of his seven attempts. It was the exact opposite

558
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 2: of what you know. On paper you might imagine a

559
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: striker versus grappler. So the point I'm trying to make

560
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 2: here is number one needs to get that number up

561
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 2: big time. You don't have to hold him down. We

562
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: talked about this on Wednesday, but you do have to

563
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: maybe look for big shot opportunity off of some kind

564
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: of takedown threat, and you have to learn how to

565
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: adjust the scaling of how much offense you should be

566
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: punishing him with. Although I will say BC, everyone keeps

567
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: talking about how he went too hard in the first round, true,

568
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. True, But is going a little

569
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 2: bit higher than normal in the first round against Yon

570
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: who lets the fight come to him important, And frankly

571
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 2: I would argue necessary, do ude, you can get I'm

572
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 2: not going to say a free round against Yan, that's silly.

573
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: But if you have al Joe's ability, the easiest round

574
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: to win is going to be round number one. And

575
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: in that sense, you should be able to put one

576
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: round at the bare minimum in your back pocket with

577
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 2: the right game plan and the right execution. Now from

578
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: round two to on, different ballgame, but at least put

579
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: one in your back pocket, which means you have to

580
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: claim two of four. That is difficult to do but doable.

581
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the conundrum, Luke. Because Yan a slower starter

582
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: but a great finisher. So does Sterling need two of

583
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: the first three rounds? Yes, But dude, at the same time,

584
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: you'd almost potentially be better served completely flipping the script

585
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: in how he fought compared to the first one. Look

586
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: at Max Holloway went out there and lost the first

587
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: fight to Volkanovski. Close, but really, no one in the

588
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: right mind is defending that he had a a say

589
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: on the scorecards, lost a close and clear competitive fight.

590
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: May the adjustments in the second fight, Yeah, you could

591
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: go either way, and people did no matter how many

592
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: times you watched it. I'd love to see Sterling use

593
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: his range, use his quickness to dart in and out,

594
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: look to really slow down the terms of the offense

595
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: early and make Yon have to chase a little bit.

596
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: But even in that strategy, Luke, it's high taxing. Look,

597
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: it's not an easy game plan unless you can lure

598
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: Yan into blurring the lines of legality again and following

599
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: himself all out, which is that part of what Sterling's

600
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: trying to do with the with the goofiness outside of it,

601
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's not a good idea either way,

602
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: But Luke, it's like, in one sense, these are two

603
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: of the top fifteen or twenty best fighters in the world,

604
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: the two best at the moment in the sports deepest division.

605
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: So if you're Al Joe and you just go out

606
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: there and be your best version of yourself, maybe that's

607
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: your best swing you can take. But trying a game

608
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: plan on what to exploit in pyotr Yan is just

609
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: such a difficult equation at this point in his career.

610
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: Also, you gotta do damage to him, man, and especially

611
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: to the body. The push kicks are nice, you know,

612
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: because obviously they reset range, and if you can really

613
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: stab them, they can do great damage. I'm not here

614
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: to say that they can't do great damage. They can

615
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: do phenomenal damage, but the first time around they were

616
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: valuable but not especially damaging. You know, you got to

617
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: you gotta get him. You gotta roast those ribs a

618
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: little bit. You gotta bring that guard down, and everything

619
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: else has to open up. Because as long as he's

620
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: willing to eat your body work and keep his hands high,

621
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: and then you can't use the transfer of his defense

622
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: to reapply your offense, your offense isn't all that meaningful.

623
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: This is one thing that's kind of hurting al jabinsweling

624
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: a little bit again. He can land and move. He

625
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: can he's got he's got the stick and move part down.

626
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: He can do that very effectively. But more than stick,

627
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: he's got to really stick. I mean, there's gotta be

628
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: a pain and punishment component behind it, not a scoring

629
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: component just by itself. With a guy like this. No,

630
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 2: maybe against other opponents you can absolutely get away with that,

631
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: and he has. He's looked phenomenal doing it. But against Yon, Dude,

632
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: if he doesn't feel the and I'm just being genuine

633
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: about it, if he doesn't seem to like detect or

634
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: feel the ferocity of what you can do, he just

635
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: well marched down on you. Like you go back to

636
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: the Aldo fight. There was a lot of times that

637
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: Aldo fight. Aldo was lighting his ass up and it

638
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: got him to back up. It got him to cover

639
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: up a lot, It opened up a lot of other things. Again,

640
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 2: Aldo couldn't finish it off in the end, but you

641
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: saw some weaknesses really kind of brought to life there.

642
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: He is human. He can be shown to do that.

643
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Sterling's got to find a way, especially if he wants

644
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 2: to use his range using some other forms of kicks

645
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: to just absolutely obliterate the mid section of Yon, and

646
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: I think without that it's going to be difficult.

647
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Look, I don't want to just you know, get to

648
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: the finish here and say, look, the odds are right.

649
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: What we learned in the first fight is right, a

650
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Yan victory. Now we may end up there anyway. I

651
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are gonna end up there.

652
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: But dude, Sterling's pretty pretty freaking great dude at times,

653
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: and in his own lane and strengths. So, Luke, would

654
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: you say Sterling's greatest potential advantage is on the ground. Now,

655
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: his path to getting there was shut down the first

656
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: fight from an offensive situation in terms of going for

657
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: the takedown. But do you think if there is any

658
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: hole in Yon's game outside of the big foul that

659
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: it could come if Sterling can pull guard or end

660
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: up on the bottom and a takedown and search for

661
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: a submission that way. Do you see a potentially vulnerable

662
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: payotor Yan going a little bit too hard with the

663
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: ground and pound and finding a trap there.

664
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Well, Sterling is obviously a gifted grappler. He is very

665
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: good from the back. He is We talked about it

666
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: with the upside down head Norm triangle. I mean it's

667
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: crazy strong, crazy strong. Yes, okay, so we did that number.

668
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: We did the video by the numbers with the channel here,

669
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: and if you look at it, Sterling has a lot

670
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: of good and frankly very impressive stats, but the most

671
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: impressive of them are in the grappling department. In my judgment,

672
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: the most impressive things that he has in his place

673
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: among all time bansam weights in the UFC is most

674
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: notably documented through his overall body of work. Yes, but

675
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: especially with the grappling terms and again that one for seventeen,

676
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: he goes one for seventeen. Again he cannot win. He

677
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: cannot win doing that. There has to be more to

678
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: the story. And so this is where I think the

679
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: big shot opportunity stuff comes in. Going for the takedown,

680
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: watching him scramble. You know he's gonna scramble, you know

681
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna pop back up. You got to light him

682
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: up for it. And if you can really score damage

683
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: over time, then some of those takedowns might become a

684
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: little bit easier, or you might get more stall positions

685
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: where he doesn't want to get back up because he

686
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: knows if he does, he's gonna get torched for it,

687
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: and so he has to rethink exactly what he wants

688
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: to do in those spots, and in there you also

689
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: have big shot opportunity. This is what I'm talking about.

690
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: You have to deliver punishment to produce doubt. You have

691
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: to produce doubt. You have to produce. When I say stall,

692
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: I mean like not like I'm trying to ride it out,

693
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: but I don't know where to go. I'm sitting here

694
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: and I'm not moving because I know if I go up,

695
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get torch. But I can't stay down. What

696
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: do I do these long, prolonged moments like that, Dude,

697
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: you got to produce some of those. If Yon can

698
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: just scramble and reset and scramble and reset, that's just

699
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: too that. You're giving him too many opportunities For a

700
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 2: fighter who's simply too smart. He has to be fighting

701
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: on your terms, not his. And how you produce that.

702
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of different ways to do it, but

703
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: you must establish your terms. And in Alga man Sterling's case,

704
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: stick and move is a good one. Takedown back control

705
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 2: is another one. I would love to see some element

706
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: of it relative to the first one much improved.

707
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: And Look, when you have a potential opening like Ortega

708
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: against Volkanovski and this fight ends up on the ground,

709
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: whether it's al Jo forcing the takedown or ending up

710
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: on the bottom, if you have an opening for a submission, Luke,

711
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: you may have to sell out. You may have to

712
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: gas out going for it. That may be the you know,

713
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of like when you handicap the main event.

714
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: You're like, all right, Volkanovsky's gonna dance around and strike.

715
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: But if you're TKZ, you got to wait for that

716
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: one moment, counter big and explode and go after it.

717
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: It may end up being that case for Sterling, Luke,

718
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: if we get into rounds three and four again and

719
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: he can realize he's down on the cards. Man, you

720
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: know you're gonna have to do what you can to

721
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: create that moment and go for it. It's possible. He look,

722
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: he caught san Haagan early. Luke, it is possible. But

723
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,479
Speaker 1: is it probable. No. What is probable is pyotr Yan

724
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: regaining the title that was his. That was his fault

725
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: that he lost it. But boy did he earn back

726
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: the respect with the way he handled san Hagen and Luke, Dude,

727
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: when he's saying those violent things like in the interview

728
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: with Ariel this week or whatever, like you know, I'm

729
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna kill this guy. Pyoto Yhan's one of

730
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: those guys that it's hard not to believe him. Luke,

731
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: I think he stops al Joe. I think he does

732
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: it with strikes. And I think that in this deep

733
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: and loaded division, and god what I love to see

734
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: Yan against Dilli Shaw and you know whoever else could

735
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: devolish Shilly. Keep lining them up, Luke, this is pyoto

736
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: Jan's time, this is his division. He's the bad guy

737
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: at the end of that video game.

738
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you. I think this is

739
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Yon's fight to lose. I grant that Sterling. And by

740
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: the way, if Yan is slow to start and Sterling

741
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: is strong to start again, dude, you have If he

742
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: doesn't win the first round, he's in trouble. He's in trouble.

743
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: But if he wins it, we got a ball game.

744
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: We got a ball game. We at least have something worth. Okay,

745
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: let's see how this one goes. So to me, a

746
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 2: lot will hinge on that he won it the first

747
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: time out wasn't a sustainable game plan. But we'll see

748
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: you for the second time. I think Yan takes it.

749
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: I think he takes it inside the distance. But Sterling

750
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: again very much a worthy adversary.

751
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: You're damn right, Luke Thomas. Let's get the people's main event.

752
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: Let's get to the one that is excuse me firing

753
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: everyone the hell up. It's the welterweight matchup. Gilbert Burns

754
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: his back, thirty five years old, fresh off the destruction

755
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: of wonder Boy Thompson grapple heavy, I might add, which

756
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: might be a good preparation for all things unbeaten ham

757
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: zat Chimaiev. God, Luke, we have spent a long time

758
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: talking how great this kid might be. Boy does he

759
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: look to be, Luke odds makers at the moment, Let's

760
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: go to Caesar's plus three seventy Gilbert Burns minus four

761
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: ninety Chamayev. It had been much higher during the week

762
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: we talked Wednesday of weather. You could justify that based

763
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: on the film, based on the swagger, and boy has

764
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: Chamaiev sort of kind of won this week? Luke, you

765
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: saw the video of him and Gilbert Burns crossing, passing

766
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: their towels, threatening Gilbert to a naked fight. You saw

767
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: the back and forth of Thursday's press conference, although I

768
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: was surprised that Gilbert was, you know, making front of

769
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: his voice and trying to at least throw back some darts. Luke,

770
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: I was texting with with the great coach himself, Phil

771
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: mccagan of University of Colorado and NFL fame, and you know,

772
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,720
Speaker 1: he was praising hams up being sort of the anti

773
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: of the new generation, a fighter who's saying, you know,

774
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: maybe you're not paying me good enough for a top

775
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: ten matchup. Let me just sort of wait until you

776
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: are jamayav is that old school cowboy gunsling er that's like,

777
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: pay whatever, bro, let me fight your best and let

778
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: me fight him. Now, Luke, this is hyperbolic as all hell.

779
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: When are we seeing the next John Jones rising in

780
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: front of us? I mean, is it really happening right now?

781
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: Is this gonna?

782
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: You know?

783
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: You know what, I'm dude, he's got the Okay, we

784
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: don't know how good he is. We'll find out Saturday,

785
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: but let's imagine he wins. If he wins, he's got

786
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: all the verve and like, I'll take on any comer

787
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: of Jeremy Stevens or RDA but you know again, if

788
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: he beats Gilbert Burns with the abilities of habib I mean, Jesus,

789
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: whoa that?

790
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I just asked you if the next

791
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: greatest of all time is walking through that door in

792
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: Jacksonville on Saturday, and the fact that you didn't hesitate

793
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: to be like you know he might be is telling

794
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: us maybe all we need to know.

795
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: Dude. I mean, let me, let me, let's let's have

796
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: a conversation this way. Let me tell you what my

797
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: pick is up front, and let's work backwards. Okay, just

798
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: as once I'm gonna pick Gilbert Burns. Okay, whoa dude, dude,

799
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, hold on. I have a feeling

800
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: chamaiav is gonna win. I have a feeling jamaiav is

801
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: gonna win. If you're asking me like, well, what's my

802
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: gut telling me? My gut is telling me that Tremiah

803
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: is gonna win. I don't know if that's rational. I

804
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: honestly don't. I don't know. I can't defend it, because

805
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: how do you defend gut feelings? They just kind of

806
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: happen to you, right. But then I'm trying to noodle

807
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: my way through this and you know, do you just

808
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: have enough conclusive evidence, evidence, not gut feeling evidence to

809
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: believe that CHAMAIAV is going to just run over at

810
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns. I don't think we have enough evidence. You

811
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: might have a hunch, you might have a belief. And again,

812
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: if TAMAIAV wins, Dude, I'm telling you, my gut feelings

813
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: says Tremiah is gonna win. So this will hardly be

814
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 2: in that sense some surprise. But there's also here's here's

815
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: what I just can't separate, bec and maybe you can

816
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 2: help me. What I just can't separate is I get

817
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: the enthusiasm for TREMIAV times a billion. What I don't

818
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: get is the undermining of Burns. That's the part. There's

819
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: a two per thing that's happening here. There's like a

820
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: zero sumness to it all. We can only say CHEREMAIAV

821
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: is good by saying Gilbert is bad. And I'm like,

822
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: I don't really agree what not bad, but you know,

823
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: not all that great. I just don't agree with that, dude.

824
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: Gilbert is extremely talented and very experienced, and we talked

825
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 2: about it on Wednesday, we saw him in person. Dude,

826
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: you want to talk about a guy who has turned

827
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: over every rock in the forest to make sure he

828
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: found everything he needed to to get ready for this.

829
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: I did see them face off, and then obviously you

830
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: heard TREMIAV say, you know, Burns, you look a little

831
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: small again. Dude. My gut tells me Chamia is gonna win.

832
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: But I just have to feel like there's the part

833
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: of how we're talking, not us, but the community, talking

834
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: about this fight in a way where everything is just

835
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: about one guy's ascension without really dealing with the very

836
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: particular challenges that this fight offers that we simply in

837
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: the broader context of Chemaia we don't have answers to

838
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: and the lack of the amount of guesswork that I'm

839
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: asked to do here makes me nervous as well.

840
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: You're damn right. I mean, the guy's twenty seven years old, Tim,

841
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: I have we have four UFC fights. He had a

842
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: massive double battle with COVID in between it, which he

843
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: almost retired. But then Luke the freaking like the violent

844
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: dismantling of the leech, the one punch ko one division

845
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: higher of Meershard.

846
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: It's like, damn a lot, It's a lot. I know

847
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: now I'm regetting it, but like, I don't know, I

848
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: just don't want to sit up here and disrespect Gilbert

849
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: Burns by I don't know. I just don't want to

850
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: do that. I just don't want to do that. And

851
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how else to say that, but I

852
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 2: just don't want to do it.

853
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: In ten pro fights, though, Tamaia into the second round

854
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: just three times, Luke twice in the UFC, and both

855
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: were finishes in the first two minutes of that second round. Luke,

856
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: is this a three or five round fight? I had

857
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: sort of that scare this morning, like I wasn't sure.

858
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 2: I believe it's three.

859
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: All right? So that could lessen the whole idea of

860
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: deep waters. What Ifibert is able to thrive and survive?

861
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: And look, it's one of those feelings of a force

862
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: of nature coming where you know the opponent just doesn't

863
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: matter and the odds are telling you that. Do I

864
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: really believe this guy is the next John Jon Scott.

865
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna have a lot more to prove than just

866
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: beating Gilbert Burns to do that. But there it is

867
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: sort of fun to romanticize and get caught up in

868
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: that because Luke, there is an ease to what he's

869
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: doing that may be incomparable to anyone else. I mean,

870
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: there's an ease to just the the I'm going to

871
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: do this. I'm telling you I'm going to do this,

872
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: and then while I'm doing it, I'm basically pulling the

873
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: old Habib trick of talking to Dana White and setting

874
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: up my next fight. I mean, it is just ridiculous.

875
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: He's also tall for this weight class long, he has

876
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: knockout power proven all the way up to middleweight. His

877
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: ability to take you down, not just take you down, Luke,

878
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: dramatically take you down and put himself in incredibly great

879
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: positions to follow up is eye opening. But could he

880
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: get caught by a submission from Gilbert Burns here? No,

881
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: he could he get guessed by round three? If this

882
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: is some kind of crazy firefight. I don't think we

883
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: have those answers, Luke. We don't. But damn, dude, is

884
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: Gilbert Gern's gonna even get out of this first round?

885
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: Bro?

886
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't even have a freaking clue.

887
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: I think here's a scenario that we should probably think

888
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: about for a second. I can imagine a scenario, and

889
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: I think you could too. Where round one is ten

890
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: eight shamaiav Like he just beats the fuck out of him,

891
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: you know, no doubt about it, ten eight, and then

892
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 2: the next round is a little bit more impactful something

893
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: like that, you know, but Tremaiah wins clear of his round,

894
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: but you know it wasn't just a sort of standard round.

895
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: Then what happens in round three? What if Burns okay,

896
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: beat up and deterred, still finds a way to push

897
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: and now hamzat because we don't know the answer to

898
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: this just doesn't have you know, it does have cardio.

899
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: But again people always forget this. Good cardio does not

900
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 2: mean you can do whatever you want. I mean, at

901
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: the highest level, when you're a morob Devolisheelly, when you

902
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: know you have a motor that's just impossible to explain.

903
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he can do whatever he wants, but for the

904
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of even elite fighters, you cannot do

905
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: whatever you want. You have to manage those resources. And

906
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: if he doesn't manage them upfront, because dude, he's only

907
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: got ten fights and Burns finds a way to hang on,

908
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 2: what happens in that third round? I don't I don't know.

909
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: I don't know the I don't know the answer to

910
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: any of these things. Maybe maybe Tremaiah is fucking great.

911
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: But here's my point, I don't know, You don't know,

912
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: nobody knows, nobody knows what happens when you get there,

913
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: And for me, that amount of uncertainty, well, like the

914
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: one thing you said I thought was one hundred percent

915
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: true is up to this point, what has he done

916
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: that really distinguishes him. The ease and overwhelmingness against good opposition,

917
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: not super great opposition, but definitely good opposition that has

918
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: been undeniable. Eight point sixty eight strikes landing permitted, point

919
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: zero eight strikes sore permitted. I have never seen a

920
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 2: differential like that ever through four UFC fights. In fact,

921
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever existed through four UFC fights.

922
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: That's an all time record. So yeah, dude, he's a

923
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: He's a fucking freight train. But I'm just sort of

924
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: pointing out what happens in the third if he has

925
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: mismanaged his resources by going buck wilde, because how does

926
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: he start? He gets shot out of a cannon to

927
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: start every round? What if Burns survives? Remember what he

928
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: told us BC one thing he plans to do is

929
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: not fight to score in every position, but just to

930
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: make sure might have work work, work, work, work work.

931
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: What happens if that work adds up? Maybe nothing. But

932
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: because we don't know, it's hard for me to have

933
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: a ton of confidence he's gonna go in there and

934
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: just beat the fuck out of Gilbert Burns.

935
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think, based on the tape and

936
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: the ease that we're talking about, that there could be

937
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: a limit to the hyperbole you put on him at

938
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: the moment until we see it solved. So Luke I

939
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: have like a Lebron feeling, meaning when you saw Lebron

940
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: playing those featured high school games on ESPN, you're like,

941
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: ohh shit, this guy's like six ' eight and jacked

942
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: and explosive as all hell, and he could shoot and

943
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: he passes like magic. And then you're like, okay, but

944
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, I got to see it right. And then

945
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: he plays in the McDonald's All Star Game and he's

946
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: jumping over people and then you know, I remember, specifically

947
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: Luke his rookie year, his pro debut at Sacramento, and

948
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, within ten minutes you're like, oh, this guy's

949
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: not only going to be just fine, Like how long

950
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: until we're doing the Jordan conversation?

951
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

952
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: You know, but have we seen other guys tease certain

953
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: things that fall apart one hundred percent we have?

954
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: So here here's the thing, though, kind feels different. Though, okay,

955
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: fair enough, I'm with you. I get I get the dude.

956
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: I was in college when Lebron was playing for what

957
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: it was at Saint Mary's or whatever it was. I

958
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: remember when he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

959
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: I had the exact same feeling you did. I was like, dude,

960
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: he is wow, okay, and then you first season with

961
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: the Cavs he was just lighting the league up. He

962
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: was incredible. There's no doubt that I think Chamaiev has

963
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 2: a great upside long term. I don't think that's all

964
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: that false. I guess here's the one thing, and this

965
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: is what Chamaiev is up against historically, and not saying

966
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: this is to him, but this applies to someone who's

967
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: watched MMA for a long time. I cannot tell you

968
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: how many guys I've seen now like what Tremaiava has

969
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: done with through four UFC fights. No, not so much

970
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: of that. That is certainly unusual again historic, but there's

971
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: a lot of guys in MMA that come through, and

972
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: a lot of women too, and you cannot imagine them

973
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: doing anything other than what they've done until someone just

974
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: pulls the pin out and you're like, oh, they're not

975
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: at all who we thought they were. You see, for example,

976
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 2: I talk about this all the time. I've seen people

977
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: coming to the UFC. They got nine wins, all of

978
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: them first round KOs And I'm like, Bubba, you obviously

979
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: can punch hard. You have not fought anybody. You have

980
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: not fought anybody that really really mattered. I'm telling you

981
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna see that exposed later on. Now I don't

982
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: know if this is that fight, and I don't know

983
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: that it's gonna happen. What I mean to say, though,

984
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: BC is John Jones's ascension was meteoric, but a little

985
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: bit slower. So there was just enough the the andre

986
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: gousmau Bonner, O'Brien, matt U Shanko Vera, there was this

987
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 2: process and every time he went in there. By the

988
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: time we got to the matt uw Shankos and the Veras,

989
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: I knew he was gonna win. That part wasn't surprising.

990
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: You know, he put bad and show you he put

991
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: on everybody basically up until the gustus and fight more

992
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 2: or less. But the point I'm trying to make here

993
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 2: is historically the amount of people that have made great

994
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: names for themselves without being tested, uh and then falling

995
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: apart once they get tested. I don't expect him to

996
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: fall apart, expect him to make a strong account of

997
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: himself no matter what. But that historical precedent is very real,

998
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: and for that reason I have a little bit of

999
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: not fear per se, but the lack of clarity about

1000
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: that is causes a little bit of nerve wracking.

1001
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Shane Carwin, you know, look at

1002
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: We've seen these sort of storms flash through before. But Luke,

1003
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: what is more likely to happen Saturday night? First scenario,

1004
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: CHIAMAIAV comes in there and does the leech mode on Burns.

1005
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: He does Burns dirty, he takes him down, he mauls him,

1006
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: he chokes him out within two minutes. Chamaiev chokes out

1007
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: Gilbert Burns within two minutes. Gilbert Burns or Luke or

1008
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, he has that first round, a huge ten

1009
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: eight round, like you're mentioning and then he has an

1010
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: Edmund Shabazi and like you know, cardio based implosion, and

1011
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: then he not only loses to Burns, he gets stopped

1012
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: and we see the U, we see the zeppelin crashing

1013
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: down on earth. What's more likely, because those are extreme scenarios, Luke.

1014
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: The more likely of those. Okay, Well, here's the thing, dude,

1015
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: I mean this is the other part too, Like, even

1016
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 2: if Burns is prepared, and even if it turned into

1017
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: like let's say the fight in a different world would

1018
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: have been a grappling match. Let's say they start to

1019
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: strike in a different world in a grappling match, who

1020
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 2: knows how Burns may have done. And maybe reality like,

1021
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: if Ben Askron had never been kneed, do you think

1022
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: he beats Jorge? I think he does. Actually, I think

1023
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: he does beat Jorge on that night if he doesn't

1024
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: get kneed in the face right away. Of course, there's

1025
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: no way to know, but you would at least liked

1026
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: his chances to see. The point I'm trying to make

1027
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: here is the punching power of Hamzat and his natural

1028
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: size advantage. Now that is very difficult to overlook, and

1029
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: in fact, no one should so I could see a

1030
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: scenario where he, you know, Hams out winning in a

1031
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 2: shorter amount of time frame. I think is more likely

1032
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: than him winning late. I actually feel like again, I

1033
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: don't know because we don't have any tape on the

1034
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: guy hardly at all, but I do feel like, dude,

1035
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 2: he comes out incredibly hot, he has ridiculous punching power.

1036
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: He is the bigger of the two watching someone take

1037
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: a shot, get overwhelmed and get submitted, including Tamaiev Overburns. Dude,

1038
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: that is very much in play, super in play. So

1039
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 2: Hamzad's gonna win, I would say, chances are I like

1040
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: his I just think the likelier outcome of him winning

1041
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: is early rather than by decision. I'll put it that way.

1042
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: If this was pro wrestling and you're Gilbert Burns, you

1043
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: reveal the two Russian spies that he brought into to

1044
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: teach him that style of wrestling on the walkout, Luke, Okay,

1045
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: you got those two, you got hasbula on their shoulders,

1046
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: and you come out, you know, ready mentally to take

1047
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: this over. But even if he did that, Luke, even

1048
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: if he revealed Habib and fad Or behind him, now

1049
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a long night for our boy, Gilbert.

1050
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I've come to that point, Luke, I've come to that understanding.

1051
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: And by long night, I mean short night finish round one, Hamza, Dude,

1052
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: I was not the guy who was you know, am

1053
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I am I now drinking the juice, yes, but I

1054
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: wasn't those guys who were pouring them into the jugs originally,

1055
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: you know. But Luke, that the tape is the tape

1056
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: says what it says. Do you have to do the

1057
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: eye test to get to that point? You do? But

1058
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: good god, we got something special in front of us.

1059
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: We talk about Islam maybe being the next Habib from

1060
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: the standpoint of, you know, dominant Russian based wrestler finisher

1061
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: who owe just so happens to have Habib in his corner,

1062
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: and Islam might be that Mahachev. But this is a

1063
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: different type of animal who could also fill that Habib

1064
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: role in terms of foreign crusher superstar. He's coming on, Luke,

1065
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: And if you're coming on.

1066
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: A question for you, question for you serious before we

1067
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: move on. If Chimayev be burns in the first round,

1068
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 2: which I recognize is absolutely one billion percent in play,

1069
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. If he does that should he

1070
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 2: leap frog Leon Edwards for the title shot.

1071
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh and just go right to it. That would be

1072
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: very in Ganu knocking out over him like of the UFC.

1073
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm saying, Like, does Leon Edwards deserve at

1074
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: times of billion himself? Who could say otherwise? Show me

1075
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: a win on Leon's record, which would be better than

1076
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: someone choking out or whatever, you know, choking out Gilbert

1077
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: Burns inside of a round. Show me that on his

1078
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: ledger it doesn't exist.

1079
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Like remember those There were many moments in Don King's

1080
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: controversial career where he would walk in with one fighter

1081
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: and leave with the other if that fighter lost right

1082
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and put his arm around him and be that guy.

1083
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: If I'm Dana White, they've been very team Kamaru of late,

1084
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: because here's a guy who is the palper pound King

1085
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: and has you know, become a star. If that finish

1086
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: goes that way, they might be walking out of the

1087
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: arena with their arm around JAMAIAHV. And you're right, we

1088
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: may be doing that title shot not only next Luke,

1089
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: but in the main event of International Fight.

1090
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh snap, yeah, dude, I'm telling you this is we

1091
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: said it on Wednesday, We'll say it again, this is

1092
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: a historic about a historic about Ham's not tremaiav is

1093
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: either the next John Jones or Gilbert Burns is about

1094
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: to remind everybody what fucking time it is. And either

1095
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: way I can't wait.

1096
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: So are you on the record of Gilbert Burns by

1097
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: upset via? What method?

1098
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 2: Luke? I'll say, ground in pound round three? Something stupid.

1099
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know that part I didn't

1100
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: think about. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

1101
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: I also don't know.

1102
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: Watch it be like Caratanov Mittrion, be like a dick

1103
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: kick first strike fight over.

1104
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: Look, okay, I poked seven seconds.

1105
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: There you go, there we go.

1106
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 3: See did you see in the countdown coms he goes,

1107
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: give me all the pressure, broke, give me all the problems.

1108
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: I make love to pressure. That's what Pauli Malinaji said.

1109
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure he made love to the pressure.

1110
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it. There are certain guys that when

1111
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: the lights come on, you know, for most people, that's

1112
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: when you get nervous and you have to steal yourself

1113
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: and you have to you know, you have to like

1114
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 2: put alls behind you. And then there are guys who

1115
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: are like please give it to me. That's what I

1116
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: need to be my best. And I envy those those athletes.

1117
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: That's very special that when that red light turns on,

1118
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: I'm Chamaiavlake.

1119
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: I was about to say, that's how I felt at

1120
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: that Vegas show bro with those shoeies. That was me

1121
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: right there. I'm like, give me all the pressure.

1122
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: This guy Minich, Minich just just walking all over the show.

1123
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: I love it. Right now, let them have the next

1124
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: Jay Aaron, Yeah.

1125
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 2: J DM me this morning. By the way, Jay Erin,

1126
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: what do you say? Nothing important? All right?

1127
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to say, you know, this

1128
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: show would never have birthed unless you know his hands

1129
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: were there to take the head out.

1130
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: Well, he did make it all about himself in the

1131
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: d M, which is very much what he does. So

1132
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: shouts to Jay, here's your attention.

1133
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: Dollar there you each, thank you for sliding in well, Cory,

1134
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: men each, Luke. If we did, if we revealed the

1135
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: the Malka Pual for pound rankings, that would probably end

1136
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: a few friendships. Corey's in in, you know, he's in

1137
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: the conversation, like like Volkanowski trying to snoop up on

1138
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: usman right now, for the number one slot.

1139
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's move along.

1140
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: Wo no sell Friday's back. Yeah wow, you know you know, hey,

1141
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: our Jay's holding pretty strong up there too at the moment.

1142
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: We can't wait to find out his skeletons. All right,

1143
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: here we go. Look the rest of this two seventy

1144
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: three card. I loved it that this straw important strawweight

1145
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: about Mackenzie Dern versus t Cha Torres was featured on

1146
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: the Daish in that UFC two seventy three press conference

1147
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,959
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Luke an important matchup, and they talked about

1148
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: the stakes there and Derren said, look, I'm coming off

1149
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: the loss to Marina Hadriguez. I need this big name win.

1150
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: Maybe give me one or two more and I'm gonna

1151
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: be ready for a title shot. Tisha, on the other hand,

1152
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: the veteran riding the three fight win streak, believes this

1153
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: victory will put her into a number one contender bout

1154
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: to final get her first UFC title shot. Luke and

1155
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: she is a little bit of an og. She was

1156
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: on t Sha Torres on that twenty fourteen Tough Season

1157
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: which launched the first Carla Asparza Rosdama Units fight for

1158
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: the inaugural title. Tisha's got that early victory over Rose Pvz.

1159
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, Tisa's got some good ass wins, and she

1160
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: has reinvented herself from that disastrous losing streak. But Luke,

1161
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: when you match up these styles, who are you leaning

1162
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: toward here in a good ass fight Saturday night?

1163
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 2: I think here's the thing. The majority of the time,

1164
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: for as long as this fight goes five, ten or

1165
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, the majority of that time I think will

1166
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: be spent being won by Tsha Torres. Tscha Torres is

1167
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: a better striker. She's good about her movement, she is

1168
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: always in phenomenal shape. She's strong, she's good at clinch breaking.

1169
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: She just is very good about that sticking move kind

1170
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: of taekwondo style a little bit, which we know her for.

1171
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 2: In fact, her numbers kind of speak to that. Four

1172
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: point seventy one strikes lander per minut at three point

1173
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: six one absorbed, a little high on the absorption end,

1174
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: but still a very positive differential over an integer. That's

1175
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: pretty good. Let's look at Mackenzie Durns's number. Three point

1176
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 2: one three strikes landing permitted. Pretty good, not high, but

1177
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: that's Okay, strike's absorbed four point two two, so she

1178
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 2: has a negative striking differential, which I think the topic

1179
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: which which excuse me, which the tape speaks to. I mean,

1180
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,720
Speaker 2: this ain't hard to figure out, dude. Either Mackenzie Durn's

1181
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: going to get this on the ground or she's not.

1182
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: It's very difficult for me to believe. Or you know,

1183
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: take the back standing or whatever. Put this on grappling terms,

1184
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: I guess is the better way to put that. But

1185
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: as long as this flight is standing and at range,

1186
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: we know that Mackenzie Durn's defense has not been there,

1187
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: you know, to borrow from Edmund Taverdian, the head movement

1188
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: has actually been a real big problem for her. She

1189
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 2: is tough and she is durable. We should also note

1190
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 2: that Mackenzie Dern has not shown to be like Haddre

1191
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: Gracie is the greatest jiu jitsu player probably ever. I

1192
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: think that's probably a fair thing to say. But he

1193
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: was not great at taking punishment in mma. Wasn't it

1194
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: really derailed him? But Nogera doesn't have Haddre Gracie's credentials,

1195
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: but punishment did not derail him. Was still very resilient,

1196
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: Mackenzie Dern is you know, like I say, no Gara,

1197
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: but certainly closer to that than the Haydra Gracie side

1198
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: when it comes to her durability. So that will keep

1199
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: her in this fight. And Titiha Torres, you know, I'm

1200
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: not going to say at five foot one, one hundred

1201
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 2: and fifteen pounds has like fight ending power. So this

1202
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 2: is it. This is feast or famine BC. Either Mackenzie

1203
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: Dern has new striking skills we haven't seen, or she

1204
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 2: has got to put this on grappling terms. Otherwise, this

1205
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: is Titia Torres's fight to lose.

1206
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy. Look that just what three years

1207
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: ago I thought this was the itf for Tsha Torrez. Right,

1208
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: she's you know, pushing thirty and had that four fight

1209
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: losing street. But when you look at her five career

1210
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: losses which have all come in the UFC, all against

1211
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: elites in nama Unis Andrage, Young Jcheck, Jeonggway, Lee and

1212
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: Marina Hadriguez and Luke, all five by decision, She's not

1213
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: only never been submitted, she's never been stopped by strikes.

1214
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: So what Tisha Torres has always lacked, of course, is

1215
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: the fight ending power to go along with the fact

1216
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: that she's always been great in terms of footwork, darting

1217
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: in and out, getting her combinations off. This is certainly

1218
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: a fight where I think she can surprise Deurn on

1219
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: the feet and win a spirited decision here. Obviously got

1220
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: to keep herself out of trouble on the ground, but

1221
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: she is a good defensive wrestler. She has those skills.

1222
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: Look when you look at the odds, they're they're going

1223
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: more pick them than anything else. Caesars has minus one

1224
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: point fifteen dern as your slight favorite over a minus

1225
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: one Zho five t Sha Torres, So it's anyone's fight.

1226
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 1: In this instance. Durn have the higher upside. I would

1227
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: say yes, but we can underestimate the shape and the

1228
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: focus that Torres has brought back to this win streak.

1229
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,479
Speaker 1: This fight is a step up from the previous three wins.

1230
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: She's had to reform herself, you know, coming against I

1231
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: mean Angela Hill was a good ass win there in

1232
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: the third one, but this would be a big step

1233
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: up in a win. I mean, Luke, could you see

1234
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: with a win t Shator is really entering the title

1235
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: conversation for arguably the first time.

1236
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and again everyone's like, oh, well she has

1237
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: to you know, take down or bust for Mackenzie durn Right.

1238
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: Listen to this her her takedown. The takedown defense of

1239
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: t Sha Torrez fifty eight percent, not that high, that high.

1240
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: The takedown accuracy of Mackenzie Dern is ten percent. She

1241
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: whiffs on ninety percent of them. Now granted that last

1242
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: one she gets, if she gets it, is fucking deadly

1243
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: because all she needs is that one. But you just

1244
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: have I don't have to believe it seems reasonable to

1245
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: conclude that if you're only I mean, if the takedown

1246
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: percent was like fifty percent, even thirty percent, I'd be like, Okay,

1247
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: I might feel differently about this at tenh I don't know, man,

1248
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: I really don't have to five rounds. It's only three.

1249
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Little Maya Woodley spam heavy those statistics right there, Luke.

1250
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: But if only Mackenzie could evolve at the quickness that

1251
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: her accent did, Luke, then we'd see look a joke's aside.

1252
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: Mackenzie's title material. And I really think she is, even

1253
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: though there's still room to go with her, with her,

1254
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: with her striking. At times, she's you know she's heavy handed, Luke,

1255
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: but you know it can be a little raw and

1256
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: looping in in. Uh. Look, if she's not dialed in,

1257
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: Tisha Torres can win a decision here, but Dern is

1258
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I say Dern has the brighter ceiling because I mean it, Luke, Obviously,

1259
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: the biggest statement she can make would be to come

1260
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: in here and land big shots and drop and hurt

1261
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Torres and try to finish her on the ground. I mean,

1262
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: if she could do that, a massive statement would be made.

1263
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: But this is a very key turning point fight because

1264
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: even though Mackenzie lost to Marina Hadriguez, she was far

1265
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: from dominated Luke. It was a competitive fight. Marina was

1266
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: the better fighter. There's still room to grow for Darn,

1267
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: but I like Dern betting wise as the favorite. And

1268
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: even with Tisha's turnaround, Luke does Darn's fight to win

1269
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 1: or lose. And I think if she's gonna be who

1270
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: she has the potential to be, she got to make

1271
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: a big statement.

1272
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: Here, no doubt about it. Deronda Rossi path was a

1273
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: lot of things that folks had identified as Oh, you know,

1274
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: Durn's good at submissions and Rawsei was good at sbissions.

1275
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 2: Maybe she could do what Ralsi did. But Rio Rowsi,

1276
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: for all her faults, was very good about using takedowns,

1277
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: high level takedowns into submissions quick succession, or high level

1278
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: takedowns into dominant positions. For then a submission. Dern has

1279
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: to struggle a lot more on that front end. Now,

1280
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: if she can get to a dominant position, you are

1281
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: in huge trouble. But because there is so much friction

1282
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 2: up front for her to get there, Jesus has had

1283
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: a lot less success Whenever Tisha Torrez might change a

1284
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: lot of her fortunes and get her back on that

1285
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: star path.

1286
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: And looke, how about that little trash talk going on

1287
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: back and forth there? I was like that Lee Leonardo

1288
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: DiCaprio meme with the cigarette and the beer, going yeah, yeah,

1289
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about right there.

1290
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 2: I bet you did.

1291
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: I felt something, Luke? All right? Oh so, Luke Marco

1292
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: Madson looks like he's getting that bump up to the

1293
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: opening bout on this pay per view main card against

1294
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: your boy Vink Pieschelle. Is that how I'm saying it correctly?

1295
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 2: Vince? He doesn't spell it with an E, but it's Vince.

1296
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: Vince. Let me let me get that straight. Let me

1297
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: get that through my damn skull here, Luke, let me

1298
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: tell you what about the odds before I get your take.

1299
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: And we mentioned on Wednesday that Madson's gonna have to

1300
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna take a step up here. He

1301
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: isn't have to show us that a complete game him

1302
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: as possible for him. He'll be the underdog plus one

1303
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: zho five minus one twenty five for Vince Luke. I

1304
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: love Madson's game. I just don't see it ending well

1305
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: for him, meaning this fight and his attempt at this age,

1306
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: you know, to become a legitimate top ten guys. He's

1307
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: at a decent start in getting here, but I think

1308
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: there's too many holes in his game still, Luke. I

1309
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: think this may be the moment where he gets he

1310
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: gets solved in that regard how uh outworked potentially stopped

1311
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: because of that, Luke, get into a hillatious pace. But

1312
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: if he's unable to get that type of dominant success

1313
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: on top on the ground, there's some holes there, Luke,

1314
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: There's some holes.

1315
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that stands out to me. I think

1316
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: he takes a little bit more punches than he should

1317
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: given his You know he's a good striker, but it's

1318
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 2: not I mean, obviously you can see the picture here.

1319
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: This is what he's best at, grappling, upper body takedowns,

1320
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: Greco Roman background, like, that's where he really is going

1321
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: to acit. And in that level, I don't know if

1322
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: Evince has anything for him, and a lot of guys

1323
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: probably can't wrestle on that level, and the whole all

1324
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: of UFC who in terms of what Marco Mattson has

1325
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 2: done and can do. But he can kind of brawl

1326
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: a little bit, he can kind of be in range

1327
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 2: for strikes a little bit, he can over commit a

1328
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: little bit, and Vince Michelle is durable and tough experience

1329
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 2: at this point. He has good ground and pound actually,

1330
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: but it's going to require mistakes from Mattson, over committed

1331
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: aggressive mistakes for him to be in that range. Will

1332
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: he do that, That's a little harder to know. But

1333
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: if he does, then Michelle will win. There's just simply

1334
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: no denying. He can't afford to not be diligent about

1335
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: his positioning, strike selection volume. He has to be kind

1336
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 2: of on point with this one, and you're right, sometimes

1337
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 2: he just kind of goes balls to the wall a

1338
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: little bit, which as wrestling, you know, it's just yes,

1339
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: you have to be technical as hell too, But wrestling

1340
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: is so short to these two on those three minute

1341
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: periods where you have to just go, go, go, go go.

1342
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

1343
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 2: Fighting is a little bit more slowed down from that.

1344
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has that gear. We're gonna

1345
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 2: find out.

1346
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, Michelle's no youngster himself. He's thirty nine.

1347
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: But Luke, he's won seven of eight. And the thing

1348
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: about Madson, even if he controls the first two rounds

1349
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: with wrestling, he may he may wear himself out in

1350
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: the process. So it's something to watch as he continues

1351
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: to figure out this transition game. The odds are closer.

1352
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: I like Michelle, Luke, when you look up and down,

1353
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: this card a big fight. We highlighted on the prelims

1354
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: women's bandamweight aspen Ladd and a must win straight up

1355
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: situation against Raquel Pennington. Luke Ladd won this morning by

1356
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: making one thirty five with relative ease, So whatever change

1357
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: in her preparation nutritionally fitness wise, it seems to have

1358
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: done well. Luke, boy, did I mismanage my fluid? Why

1359
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: don't you take this one, Luke, I'll be right back,

1360
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: all right.

1361
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: Well, I was just gonna say that Aspen Ladd, she

1362
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: made one thirty six this morning, and I was very

1363
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: closely watching to see what that would look like. You know,

1364
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: a lot of times she has made weight, or she's

1365
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: done well or something, you know, got in the fight

1366
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: past the scales in terms of just finding a way

1367
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: to get it done, but has looked terrible on the scales, trembling,

1368
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: not being able to hold herself upright. I mean, you

1369
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: guys have all seen the horror tapes. They're they're not great.

1370
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 2: There was really I didn't see any sign of that

1371
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 2: this time. She looked a lot better. What that means

1372
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: for Saturday, anyone knows, but we talked about all the weekend.

1373
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Let me see the odds on this one. I did

1374
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 2: not see the odds before BC had decided to get

1375
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: up and take a piss. But the odds makers have

1376
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: this particular fight Aspen Lad versus Raquel Pennington. Our friends

1377
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: over at Caesar Sportsbook have Ladd at about a plus

1378
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: one fifty five and Pennington about a minus one eighty.

1379
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I find that pretty fair, pretty reasonable.

1380
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: Ladd has a lot of ability, but has a lot

1381
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: of questions to answer. And Pennington has you know, certainly

1382
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: a lot of experience and is durable, but has been

1383
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: in the game a little bit and you kind of

1384
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: know what you get you're gonna get, although still doing

1385
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of surprising a little bit towards the

1386
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: end there. I'm just sort of saying that one is

1387
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: fresher and very talented, but very much unproven with a

1388
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: lot of doubts. The other one is has been to

1389
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 2: the mountaintop. It's sort of back down a little bit

1390
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: and a little bit older, a little bit you know,

1391
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 2: longer in the tooth, and that has both positives and negatives.

1392
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: Other fights on this card worth paying attention to for me.

1393
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 2: We talked about it on Wednesday. Mickey gall has been

1394
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 2: up and down, up and down since the Stage North

1395
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: Cut fight. If he wins, he continues that trend. If

1396
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: he loses, it'll be the first time I think Everhall

1397
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 2: have put two back to back losses together. I'm not

1398
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: sure if that's true, but it's in a while anyway.

1399
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: Alexi Olenik is back against Dared Vandera. That was supposed

1400
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: to happen, I think on the previous car the previous

1401
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 2: two cards. They had to move it. Anthony Hernandez taken

1402
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: on Josh Fremed Pierra. I think it's Hedriguez. Kay Hansen

1403
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: did in fact missweight for this card one hundred and

1404
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: eighteen and a half for their women's strawweight bouts, so

1405
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: she wasn't even close, and I think the about My

1406
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: last reading was you have to double check me. My

1407
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: last reading was this bout will go forward, but Hanson

1408
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: will not attempt to cut that weight, so she's gonna

1409
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: get fined a percentage of a purse which will go

1410
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 2: to Hedriguez, and then Julio Arse and Daniel Santos will

1411
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,959
Speaker 2: open up the card. BC. Are you back, good sir?

1412
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, you could argue it's unprofessional to leave

1413
01:06:57,840 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: a middle of an award winning show, but Luke, I've

1414
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: been trying to flush myself out of any illness, living

1415
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,479
Speaker 1: in a sick house for a week and a half,

1416
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: So it is what it is.

1417
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: At the end of the next time, just wear some

1418
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: diapers and then just go on yourself.

1419
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just a large bottle. My grandfather used to

1420
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: take a large bottle Luke on the long drives from

1421
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: Florida back to Connecticut, and you know, and pee and drive.

1422
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. You know, it's not my

1423
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: it's not my preferred method, Luke. Okay, it is what

1424
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: it is.

1425
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 2: Once again, let he who is without saying, cast the

1426
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: first stone.

1427
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: All right, Luke, there's your UFC two seventy three breakdown.

1428
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: Let's keep the train moving. At Loaded Boxing weekend, we

1429
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: laid out and detail at nauseum. The storylines on Wednesday

1430
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: really pissed off our MMA fans. But hey, guys, there's

1431
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: an award winning combat sports show and Showtime Championship Boxing

1432
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: is a very good triple header from I believe Las

1433
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: Vegas Saturday night, Luke, ten pm Eastern is your start,

1434
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: and that main event is an important one one fifty

1435
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 1: four ericson lubin Sebastian Fundora. It'll be for the interim

1436
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: WBC Championship and a mandatory shot at the win of

1437
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: the May fourteenth Jamel Charlo Brian Castano undisputed Championship rematch. Obviously,

1438
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: Tim Zuo also has a stake in that becoming the

1439
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: mandatory for Castano's title with his victory over Terrell Goschet.

1440
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: But Luke as this fight breaks down, no one's more

1441
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: battle tested than Erickson Lubin, having won six in a

1442
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: row impressively since that first round knockout to Jamel Charlow. Fondor, however,

1443
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 1: is unbeaten Luke. He hasn't fought the same level of competition.

1444
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 1: He's an anomaly for this division being he's six foot

1445
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: six with insanely long arms, skinny legs and body, yet

1446
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: fights in an all action brawling style. From the start.

1447
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: The odds were pretty even all week. Lubin has become

1448
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: the slight betting favorite here as we look at Caesar

1449
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 1: Sportsbook minus one fifty plus one twenty five for Fondora Luke.

1450
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: This has action fight written all over it. It really does.

1451
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: Even though Lubin can box as good as he can punch,

1452
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: and even though you can make the argument that if

1453
01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: you're Lubin, you might want to box and stay away

1454
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: from brawlin with this big boy, we did see lubin

1455
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: In in all out war with Jason Banana Rosario in

1456
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 1: his last bout. He got hurt. He stopped him though,

1457
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: and came back and did it. What type of fight

1458
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: are you expecting when these two touch gloves Saturday night here.

1459
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 2: So I did a fair amount of watching tape on

1460
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 2: this one, and I've read what other you know, with

1461
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: what the experts are saying. My best read on this

1462
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: fight is that Lubin presents a challenge that Fondora has

1463
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 2: never answered before in terms of all the tricks and

1464
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: tools that he has. He's a very skilled fighter, and

1465
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 2: more to the point, I think he can crack in

1466
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: a way that I don't know which of Fondora's previous

1467
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: opponents could punch. I'm not saying he's like, oh, he's

1468
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: the hardest hitter in this division. It's not what I'm saying.

1469
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 2: But he can. He's got good power, he's a good

1470
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 2: he's he is a boxer. But he can punch too,

1471
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 2: you know. And so I think what's gonna happen is Fondora,

1472
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: like he always does, is going to give up that

1473
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: reach eventually, pretty quickly, actually, And I think Lubin is

1474
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: going to light him up on the inside. I think

1475
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 2: he's going to have tricks angles, he's gonna push him backwards,

1476
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: I think eventually, and that inability to maintain range and

1477
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: really put punishment on Lubin, I mean, and everyone goes

1478
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: back to the Charlo fight. But Dude, Charlo can punch

1479
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: his ass off. He's a very very good puncher, you know. Dude,

1480
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 2: Fundora is not that. He's not that. So he's got

1481
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 2: an interesting frame and it makes for a fun I'm

1482
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: gonna say it again in the oddsmakers, this is the

1483
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: most competitive boxing main event of the weekend, bar none. Period. Yes,

1484
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: we worked for showtime. Watch all three and see if

1485
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: we're right by all means dead wrong as if we're not.

1486
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: But I feel like Fundora is gonna get eaten a

1487
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 2: lie from the inside, and Lubin's gonna have seventh or

1488
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:39,480
Speaker 2: eighth round stoppage.

1489
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, skills wise, there's a gap here. But the

1490
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: odds are telling you that Fondora is in play. And

1491
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: I think that's because we've seen Lubin one punched before

1492
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:50,839
Speaker 1: by Charlo, and we saw him hurt in these highlights

1493
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 1: you're seeing here. Although we rallied to stop Jason Rozzario

1494
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: and beautiful body attack, he was hurt early. Is he Chinney?

1495
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: Is he suspected? I don'll you know. The jury is

1496
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: still kind of out, Luke. I mean, he doesn't have

1497
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 1: disastrous losses outside of that hiccup against Charlo, which boy

1498
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: has he repaired, but he has had to take the

1499
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: long road in Lubin to get back here. The wins

1500
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: have been impressive. Coach Kevin Hunningham as his trainer, has

1501
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 1: really helped him regain his confidence be a double dual threat.

1502
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: I think Fondora became more of an accidental prospect, Luke,

1503
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I fought Jamonte Clark to a draw.

1504
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: He could have gotten lost there. Even in his last

1505
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 1: fight against Sergio Garcia, he won a close decision, could

1506
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: have goten lost there. I think he's just won so

1507
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: many in a row that it's sort of like, all right,

1508
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: let's see what we got from Fondora. I believe you're right.

1509
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily a finisher, but he is a puncher,

1510
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: and he is long, and he does kind of force

1511
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: you to brawl, because, Luke, if Lubin's gonna dart in

1512
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: and out and be the boxer puncher, it's hard to

1513
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: get inside on a guy that long who's willing to

1514
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: brawl with you. So we're gonna have to see some action.

1515
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: And one thing I told Erics and Lubin in our

1516
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: interview that we did together that you can check out

1517
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: on YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. Is Fwondora really

1518
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: only one way? You're going to have to finish him

1519
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 1: to beat him Luke, and I think that's what Eric

1520
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: Lubin's gonna have to do. Look for him to have

1521
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: some success early using those advantages. And again I do

1522
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: think the skill advantage is wide. But to have big

1523
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: time success, he's gonna have to get into the danger zone.

1524
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: Fondora's style sort of just makes that happen. And once

1525
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: he gets there, Luke to avoid getting hurt himself, I

1526
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have to finish Fundor and I think

1527
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: if he does spectacularly, he will get the winner of

1528
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 1: charl Lokastano next great.

1529
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: I would love to see the rematch. Nothing would make

1530
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 2: me happier than Lubin getting a second crack. I mean,

1531
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: let the best man win, but for history's sake, for

1532
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: rematch sake, for just fun fight sake, Lubin winning would

1533
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: be fantastic.

1534
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: In former one hundred and fifty four pound champ Tony Harrison,

1535
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: Luke is back in the comin event against Sergio Garcia,

1536
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: the guy who just lost to Fundora, and I don't

1537
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: know if you saw at the press conference yesterday. I

1538
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: don't believe we have tape, but Tony Harrison was at

1539
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: the dais talking about the fight against Garcia and Luis

1540
01:12:56,680 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: Arias nicknamed Cube by the guy who just beat Swift

1541
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: Jared Swift to Jared Swift heard to upset him on

1542
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: the on the logan Paul Mayweather card. Tony Harrison came

1543
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: out from the crowd after Cuba Arius threw a duck

1544
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,720
Speaker 1: Adham Luke and talk that Jay, talk that shit. And

1545
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 1: he went out there and let him up two pieza

1546
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: and a side of da cola, you know. Mosvidal version

1547
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: then went right back up to the daist and continued

1548
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: like nothing happened. So he's a Detroit g Luke. He's

1549
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: old school and we're gonna see if he can bounce back. Boy,

1550
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: does he need a big win come Saturday night. Let's

1551
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:33,919
Speaker 1: keep it going, Luke. There are some very high profile

1552
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: fights along with this showtime tripleheader in Saturday morning. It's

1553
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 1: not Breakfast at Wimbledon, but it's close Triple G from Japan.

1554
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: It's a middleweight unification about Triple G. Just turned forty

1555
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: yesterday and he looks to join Bernard Hopkins as the

1556
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: only fighters forty and over in boxing history to unify

1557
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: world titles. It'll come against Rayota Ryota Morada. Luke I

1558
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: clearly butchered that there's Triple G on the left. It'll

1559
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 1: take place the main event around a fifteen eight thirty

1560
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, and Luke, look, Triple g is the better

1561
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: fighter he is historically, but he's been inactive and he's

1562
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: had to travel to Japan for this one trap fight

1563
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: or survive in advance, and let's do the Canalo trilogy.

1564
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 2: Supposed to be Survive in advance. It's funny, I tweeted

1565
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 2: out this morning. It's a great YouTube channel called Rubbie's Corner,

1566
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: which is just if you if you're looking for boxing

1567
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 2: history and even contemporary boxing analysis and coverage, just fantastic,

1568
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: especially good on boxing history. At his preview, he thinks

1569
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 2: that Triple Gus is probably gonna win, which I think

1570
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 2: most people do, but that Marada could give him more

1571
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 2: trouble than people imagine that He is, you know, a

1572
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: boxer punch or two, not on the level of Triple G.

1573
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: And he has been off even longer, I think because

1574
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 2: this fight was supposed to have it in Japan than

1575
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: the whole COVID thing anyway the first time around, so

1576
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 2: he's been off even longer. You know that there's been

1577
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: a couple of losses that Marata has had where they

1578
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 2: were rematches, and he shined in them and really showed

1579
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 2: with the right approach, he was much better than the

1580
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 2: guys who were he was better than. So I really

1581
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: think it's going to be, you know, what kind of

1582
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: Marada do we get here? I still am going to

1583
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: pick Triple GBC, but it is interesting to me that

1584
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: there are a few folks I'm seeing out there, not

1585
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: just Rummy's corner, but I've seen a few other places.

1586
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: They're saying, like, you know what, this one is going

1587
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: to be fun and could be you know, first has

1588
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 2: six maybe eight rounds, a little bit up in the

1589
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 2: air about who wins, but they just kind of expect

1590
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 2: Triple G with his power to either win more rounds

1591
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: in the end or get the stoppage. So I'll go

1592
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: with Triple G here BC, but I'm gonna lean on

1593
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 2: what everyone else says. I think this one could be

1594
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:34,879
Speaker 2: a lot of fun to pay attention to, and maybe

1595
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 2: maybe an upset potential.

1596
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: It may be closer than it should be competitively, and

1597
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: that's because look, Marada's got a great chin and he's hungry.

1598
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: He goes after it and they'll be fighting in front

1599
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: of his home crowd. So if he can take advantage

1600
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: of a potentially slow starting triple G and also a

1601
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: slower triple G, meaning look, Luke, we've seen it. The

1602
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: decline physically is there from that monster that tore up

1603
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: the middlewaight division a deck to go, maurd is gonna

1604
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: have to eat some big shots. But if he can

1605
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: make this a war, Luke, he's not a let's call him.

1606
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: I won't call him a knockout puncher per se, but dude,

1607
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: he put it on Rob Brenton that rematch in his

1608
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: last fight and regain the title by knocking him the

1609
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: hell out. Marada punch is accurate and he punches hard enough.

1610
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: If he can make this into an accidental war and

1611
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: we see an aging triple G slowing down the absorbing

1612
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: damage could get interesting, Luke. That could also speed up

1613
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: Marda's exit. Given the puncher that triple G is with

1614
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: power the last thing to go. I think at the

1615
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: very least would you call this matchup sexy. Never, but

1616
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 1: it is a middleweight unification, and there are enough questions

1617
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: here obviously, with the big payday of Canelo lingering for

1618
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: Triple G. If he can win this fall, that's worth watching.

1619
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 1: At least the folks at his own are gonna air this,

1620
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: Luke from Japan Saturday morning. When you look at the

1621
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,879
Speaker 1: odds to close here, Triple Ga firm favorite at minus

1622
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: four point fifty. I believe minus five seventy five.

1623
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: Excuse me for boxing main events, that's not that high.

1624
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: Not that high, No, no, it really isn't. It would

1625
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 1: take a lot here for Murauda to win. But the

1626
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: foundation has been built with the time off the long

1627
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: road trip, Triple G looking a little old, it's gonna

1628
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: be fun to watch. I still like Triple G by knockout.

1629
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens there. And then obviously, Luke, look,

1630
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: the big ticket return is Ryan Garcia. They're calling it

1631
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: the Rye turn on his own Saturday night as he

1632
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: takes on Emmanuel to go from Ghana, he brings it, Luke.

1633
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,719
Speaker 1: I watched an interview that Garcia did with his new trainer,

1634
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: Joe Goosen on on fight What was it? Fight hype?

1635
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: What the heck is that the one that Floyd always

1636
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 1: talks to.

1637
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: Luke. Yeah, fight hype, fight hype.

1638
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: And you know, Luke. They talked about this being a

1639
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine pound catchweight fight, but that

1640
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: was the original weight when the fight was first announced.

1641
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: It's not because Garcia is having any trouble making weight.

1642
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: He normally fights at one thirty five. But it'll be

1643
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: a fourteen month layoff, a change in trainer, wrist surgery,

1644
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: mental health battles, blah blah blah when they get in there, Luke,

1645
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: I like this matchup a lot. To Go is not

1646
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: a sexy name. He's thirty three years old, but he's

1647
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: got a good record. He's got the reputation coming from

1648
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:08,679
Speaker 1: Akragana of a tough, aggressive, come forward fighter. If this

1649
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: is Ryan Garcia's implosion moment, then you could argue to

1650
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: Go has the style and the attitude to make it interesting.

1651
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 1: But if he's not, Luke, Garcia is well, well well

1652
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: more skilled than him, quicker, more accurate, better combinations, and

1653
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: one thing Joe Goosen said, Now I was a hyperbole,

1654
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, but when I watched this interview, he said,

1655
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: I've never seen a training camp like this before and

1656
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: mind you, Housince trained everybody, Shane Mosley, Diego Corrals, the

1657
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 1: Roullis Brothers. I mean he's trained everybody, he said. Garcia

1658
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 1: brought in eleven sparring partners and all eleven were sent home,

1659
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: essentially knocked the hell out.

1660
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 2: Luke.

1661
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: He said he's never seen this type of one way

1662
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: traffic in a camp before. What I like about this

1663
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: matchup is Garcia's got a lot of questions to answer

1664
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: that go beyond everything we said, right, it's also head

1665
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: movement defense. He may not answer the those questions and

1666
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: he may still blow to go away because that's his

1667
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: style and he's aggressive, and eventually he will get solved.

1668
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: But until he gets solved, Luke, we're gonna see some

1669
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: spectacular finishes along the way. Boy, is there intrigue in

1670
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: seeing how Rayguy looks with Joe Goosen? But if Joe

1671
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: Gooson's history is anything, Luke, we're gonna see a dialed in, offensive,

1672
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: aggressive as shit Ryan Garcia, and matchup wise, ability wise,

1673
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: I think that explains the wide odds.

1674
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just say, let me save everyone's time here.

1675
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: If Ryan Garcia loses his career is in trouble there

1676
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: is no good reason he should lose this fight. I

1677
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 2: know that to Go on paper has something of an

1678
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: interesting record numerically anyway, but it's just that to Go

1679
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 2: has been off for a long time too. Ryan Garcia

1680
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: is going to obliterate him, and if he doesn't, his

1681
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: career is going to be obliterated either way. Yes, no

1682
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: extra analysis is needed here.

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01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: Minus sixteen hundred RAI guy, your favorite plus eight point

1684
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: fifty to go, it would have to be a serious implosion,

1685
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he could get caught and and

1686
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: but it'd have to be bad. You're right, Luke, he

1687
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: is set up here with with an aggressive guy coming

1688
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: at him to really put it on him and show

1689
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: you how offensively sublime Ryan Garcia still is. Obviously you're

1690
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: going to tune in for the to see if the

1691
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: distractions can get you know, if they're not an issue anymore.

1692
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 1: But he's a guy to watch moving forward. And Luke,

1693
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,919
Speaker 1: you know he said it, I want Dravonte Tank Davis.

1694
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know how that matchup's going to

1695
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: be made, you know, network wise, promoter wise, but he

1696
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 1: wants him if he can get past this. And Oscar

1697
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: de la Hoya said there's very few guaranteed one million

1698
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,759
Speaker 1: dollar pay per views in boxing available. He thinks Ragi

1699
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: versus Tank is one of them. Luke, they both have

1700
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,120
Speaker 1: fights first. But that's an interesting thought.

1701
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 2: Boy, Luke, would you be long term? I agree with that.

1702
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: Long term?

1703
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: Boy? Would you be fired the hell up for that?

1704
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 3: Luke?

1705
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,160
Speaker 1: I know you okay?

1706
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: Tank Davis getting in Roly Romero's face yesterday was oh,

1707
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 2: Romero's about to get it. He is about to get it.

1708
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,719
Speaker 1: That's going to be fireworks when those two touch gloves

1709
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. We'll see quick. Can we throw to this

1710
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: Paulo Coasta tweet? Is this anything, Luke? This guy I

1711
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: know you know he likes his red wine before fights.

1712
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:10,759
Speaker 1: But what a turn of events? Soap opera wise, Paula

1713
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: Costa puts out on Twitter at Boracina MMA. After this shits,

1714
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: Luke Rockhold said, I will reveal a curiosity. V Tour.

1715
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: Belfort is my dad, and it happened when him and

1716
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: my young and sexy mom gets in romance in Rio.

1717
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,959
Speaker 1: Now everyone knows. That's when we bring me to the UFC.

1718
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: The staff called me baby v Tour. I mean, Luke,

1719
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: I've heard crazier things but this pretty crazy. I like

1720
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: to believe that. I like to believe that Paulo was

1721
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: born as a full adult in twenty thirteen because of

1722
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 1: v Tour's trt us. Luke, Right, you know what I mean.

1723
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 4: He just came out ready, right, he was, he was

1724
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 4: a Maguay and then he got water on his back

1725
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 4: after midnight and then all hell broke loose. Yeah, I mean,

1726
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 4: he says strange, shit, this, this guy is strange. He

1727
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 4: was also like bigging up Pootin and being like, yeah,

1728
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 4: look at this guy. He looks tough. I like him better.

1729
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: It's like this is a very sophisticated geopolitical analysis of leadership.

1730
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 2: But thank you.

1731
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wow. He called his own mom sexy, Luke,

1732
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, okay.

1733
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: Also troubling, also troubling, Yeah.

1734
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Luke. We closed the show over Friday with that

1735
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: email address. We offer people Morning Coombat at gmail dot

1736
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: com for your chance. You think we're a bunch of

1737
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: blowhards at speaking to a microphone and listenly without thought,

1738
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: sometimes we get a little bit wrong. So why don't

1739
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 1: you step up to the plate and try to prove that.

1740
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: In this great segment we call dead.

1741
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: Wrong Er er er uh.

1742
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: All right, this is Tom from down Under, he says, hey, guys.

1743
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: Around fifty eight minutes on Friday's pod, Brian said the

1744
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 1: upcoming George Cambosis fight at Marvel Stadium was aiming to

1745
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 1: break the record for the largest boxing crowd, which was

1746
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 1: also set at Marvel State Horn versus pak Yaw, except

1747
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: the Horn fight never took place there. That was at

1748
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: sun Corpse Stadium in Horn's hometown of Brisbane, not Melbourne.

1749
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,680
Speaker 1: Put some respect on your Brisbane listeners, Brian, keep up

1750
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 1: with the great work. I'll take that out, Luke, I

1751
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: was wrong, okay.

1752
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: I don't know much about Australian cities being you know,

1753
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 2: I know, I know they are different ones, but I

1754
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: can't I don't know shit about Australia unfortunately, so I

1755
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have them. I didn't know to correct you.

1756
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of House Hunters International and I

1757
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 1: always wait for the Australian episodes, Luke, okay, because I

1758
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: want I think we could do big, big business there, Luke,

1759
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: all right, I know the submission radio guys have it

1760
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: on lockdown right, shout out to Casper and and uh

1761
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: and the other debts.

1762
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1763
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: Well, Mikey Morms sliding and he wants to It's his

1764
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: dream travel spot. He wants us to end up there.

1765
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: Luke, let's do a pod down there, maybe.

1766
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: For the Out of Sanya Whitaker trilogy. Luke, maybe, all right,

1767
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Al I was wrong. But this this fight,

1768
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: if they break, it will break the uh the Australian

1769
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: boxing attendance record. If that's a thing, Luke, let's keep

1770
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: it going here. A bunch of people sent this in.

1771
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: On episode two seventy three, around thirty three minutes, Luke

1772
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,919
Speaker 1: said that Adasanya has never lost in MMA. When discussing

1773
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: where Volkanovski belonged on the powerful Palm list, Luke, your thought.

1774
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah except for that Bohovich fight, right.

1775
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for that one.

1776
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, y okay, undefeated ed Milway. But yeah, fuck that

1777
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 2: one up big time. So sorry, I'll take that, LBC.

1778
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, could you have scored Romero three

1779
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: to two? It's possible, Luke, It's possible, all right. Uh.

1780
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: Caesar and Seth both wrote in this time it's Seth

1781
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: saying I'm here again to dead wrong you. This one's

1782
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: for BC and it should cut deep because he calls

1783
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: himself the pro wrestling guy. Now, I haven't watched this

1784
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: staged bullshit since I was ten and I found MMA.

1785
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: But at one forty three of the show, BC referred

1786
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 1: to what Logan Paul did at WrestleMania as a moon salt,

1787
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: when in fact it was a frog splash. BC, if

1788
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 1: you're going to bring your pro wrestling bullshit to our

1789
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: award winning MMA show, at least get it right.

1790
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 2: Wow, bro, you're getting You're getting, man, You're getting that

1791
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 2: guy in the bleachers who's like it's still real to me.

1792
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: Damn it to get all your ass about this.

1793
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: But that actually is a bad L because he wrestled

1794
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: against Raymisterio Junior and his son, and he told him

1795
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: doing that frog splash as a tribute to Eddie Guerrero,

1796
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like it's all really, I fed

1797
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: it up. You don't care, all right, thank you, thank

1798
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 1: you very much. This one's from Niema. Come on, BC.

1799
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: That submission that put the first L on Colby's record,

1800
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: that was done by Worly Alvis, not Alvaes that you

1801
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: mentioned on episode to eighty five. Keep it going, guys, thanks,

1802
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: I thought, I said Alvis Whirly Elvis.

1803
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 2: Uh. Sometimes these dead wrongs have to be double checked.

1804
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 2: But it also sounds very plausible that you would call

1805
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: someone Alvarez instead of Elvis.

1806
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: It's possible, pedantic piece of shit. All right, one more look.

1807
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: It's from Robert at one forty seven of Monday's episode

1808
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: that's two eighty five. During Have You Seen This Shit?

1809
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: BC claimed that the athletes running in the clip were

1810
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: in an eighteen hundred or maybe even a sixteen hundred

1811
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: kilometer race. While I understand that they don't teach much

1812
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,759
Speaker 1: of the metric system in Factory Town, Connecticut, sixteen hundred

1813
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: kilometers is the distance from New York City to Jacksonville

1814
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: and would take four thousand laps around a track to

1815
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: compete a sixteen hundred meter race. Means you were only

1816
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: off by a factor of one thousand meters. Absolutely love

1817
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: the show, guys. All the success and awards are deserved.

1818
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: Much love and ola looha Robert from Hawaii.

1819
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: I'll take it, ol Hawaiian, you take it.

1820
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: I'll take that. L You're right, You're right, all right,

1821
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: that's it, Luke, that's it.

1822
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 2: What a great show, right, dude, in out full of

1823
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,560
Speaker 2: all the information you need. What should we plug on

1824
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 2: the channel BC.

1825
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: We should definitely plug our merch Morning Combat dot store.

1826
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: They've gotten rid of the spring bullshit. We clean that out.

1827
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: There's some new stuff coming shortly, I'm told, but uh,

1828
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 1: check out yours right now. Luke's Saturday Night. I believe

1829
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I can fly, and I believe that you will be

1830
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: hitting up a UFC two seventy three post fight live

1831
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: reaction show immediately following the telecast. Luke, is that correct?

1832
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 2: I believe that is correct, So be right back here

1833
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: Saturday Night, YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. I will

1834
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 2: have a live post fight show for UFC two seventy three.

1835
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Let's get it.

1836
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, me hosting on Friday. It's the best ninety minutes

1837
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: of the week for anybody right there. Check out luke

1838
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Saturday Night as well. Go to YouTube dot com Slash

1839
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: Morning Combat. You can get not only our three live

1840
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: shows per week Monday, Wednesday Friday. Luke's got a great

1841
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: numbers breakdown if you want more. On the preview of

1842
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 1: the two seventy three card, I've got an interview with

1843
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Demetrius Johnson Gilbert Burns. We had a great chat. You

1844
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 1: can still check that out. A lot of boxing on

1845
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: there as well. Thank you very much, Luke. I will

1846
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 1: be off Monday and Wednesday of next week. My kids

1847
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: are on school vacation. We're gonna we're gonna all recover together.

1848
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: But hopefully you can find somebody to replace me.

1849
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: Oh, no one can replace you, But I will find

1850
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 2: someone else to host the show with.

1851
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: All right, but it's only two episodes because Luke late

1852
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: next week, you and I. Hell, yeah, it's time bro

1853
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 1: greater Dallas.

1854
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 2: Check out my Spences Dissected preview if you want to

1855
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 2: get just a sort of a handle on what you

1856
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 2: could expect for that main event. And yeah, we're gonna

1857
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: me NBC in Dallas. It's gonna be a good time.

1858
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing live morning combat from there. We're

1859
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: gonna be doing a lot of bonus stuff. It should

1860
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: be awesome and obviously a welterweight unification bout that you

1861
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: can only stand showtime pay per view next week. Erol

1862
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: Spence Junior. Your danis who cannot fricking wait for Luke

1863
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Thomas for our fantastic staff here. Look, how about this

1864
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: guy Long Island. Luke, you're a big fan of him.

1865
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: He's been running the show lately.

1866
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 2: Australian Luke. Yes, he is very talented.

1867
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,560
Speaker 1: His dad's from down Under. Where's his dad from Brisbane?

1868
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: They're all the same.

1869
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I mean. I don't know. Is he

1870
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: from the the outback? I don't know whatever?

1871
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: All right?

1872
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Is he from that bed that Taito Ivasa pissed on

1873
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 1: for that great team? Uh this is an award winning

1874
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: show and we love you. Enjoy your weekend, folks, enjoy

1875
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: the fights and you know, spade your animals or some

1876
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 1: shit and something about Gaines. But uh BC's here to

1877
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: tell you all artwork good and artwork fine, right, but

1878
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 1: first take care of Ed. Okay, that's it. We out.

1879
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: That's how I'm done. I'm not doing this show anymore.

1880
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: That's it, all right,