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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Democrats have staged a historic upset

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Speaker 1: in Omaha, Nebraska. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today. Pawkin News is John Heilman cuts through the

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Speaker 1: noise with a discussion about what happened in the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four campaign and whether or not Biden's age was obfiscated.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Wisconsin Senator Tammy Baldwin about how

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Speaker 1: we push back on Trump's many, many oversteps. But first

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 2: Somali the Katari plane, the scandal is not landing at all.

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Speaker 2: Trump blew his lid today in discussions about it, and

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Speaker 2: he did a whole lot of talking about the Middle

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Speaker 2: East today. What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Look, I think this plain thing is really a good

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Speaker 1: example of corruption that first of all, it cuts through

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Speaker 1: the noise. Right, You've seen Trump do other corrupt things

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Speaker 1: like the Trump coin and all of the sort of

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Speaker 1: family real estate dealings, but this is something different. It's

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Speaker 1: a very clear bit of corruption, right, Like we've never

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Speaker 1: had a president and try to take a plane from

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Speaker 1: a Middle Eastern royal family before, Like, it's just so

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Speaker 1: beyond the pale of normal stuff that I do think

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Speaker 1: it's a standout. And if Trump were smart, he would

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Speaker 1: just drop it. He would just say, who cares a wait,

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Speaker 1: I'll get the plane from Boeing. I'm the president. Data

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Speaker 1: da da. But because Trump is Trump, and maybe this

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Speaker 1: is how he got here a little bit. Because Trump

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Speaker 1: cannot let it go. So he just thinks that if

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Speaker 1: he keeps going with this, he's going to get this plane.

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Speaker 1: But it is There's nobody in the world, I mean,

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Speaker 1: even the biggest Trumper, even the bots on Twitter who

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Speaker 1: are saying, well, the Americans got the Statue of Liberty,

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Speaker 1: even those people know for sure understand that this is

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Speaker 1: not fucking right, that this is completely crazy. So we're

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Speaker 1: three days into this story or four days into the story.

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Speaker 1: So this is a bad story for Trump, right, the

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Speaker 1: fact that it keeps going and every time he he says, well,

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Speaker 1: they are just being nice. It's smart to take the plane.

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Speaker 1: And this is my really my theory in life, when

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Speaker 1: you're defending yourself, you're losing. When you're trying to make

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Speaker 1: the case that a Middle Eastern royal family should give

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Speaker 1: you a plane. Okay, and everyone in the world, including

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Speaker 1: Republican senators, are bursting into laughter. You're losing, so just

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Speaker 1: give up on the fucking plane. You're not getting the plane.

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Speaker 1: Every day you do it, you look like an asshole.

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Speaker 1: Like give it up, man, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: So today there is a disastrous hearing with Christino, who

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Speaker 2: many people have disastrous for her. For her, she looks

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Speaker 2: pretty pretty bad in this. Many people have talked about

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Speaker 2: how she's just the spokesperson for all these horrible, horrible

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Speaker 2: tape speak for itself.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Madame Secretary. You have an important job. I

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Speaker 3: think you have one of the most important jobs in

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Speaker 3: to have credibility and be taken seriously as you do

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Speaker 3: the job. And so I want to put to rest

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Speaker 3: this question about mister Garcia. In this photo that the

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Speaker 3: President posted on April twenty one, Madame Secretary, you agree

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Speaker 3: that the letters MS and the number thirteen in Times

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Speaker 4: Right, Congressman Brego Garcia. No, no, I'm just it wasn't

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Speaker 4: based off of tattoos.

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Speaker 5: It was off an.

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Speaker 3: Entire and accept I'll accept that for the purpose of

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Speaker 6: You agree though, that this is doctor, Is that right?

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Speaker 4: The same protocols that are scary.

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Speaker 3: I want you to have credibility, and I want you

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Speaker 3: to be taken seriously. Is this doctored or is it not?

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Speaker 4: I'm taken quite seriously.

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Speaker 6: Is it doctored or not? Doctor?

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Speaker 4: The importance that the President has given me.

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Speaker 3: To I understand is it doctored or nothing.

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Speaker 4: That's important to remember is that every single time a

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Speaker 1: Of course, by the way, I love that's Eric swall

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Speaker 1: while questioning her and I want you to have credibility.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not convinced Eric wants her to

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was just an incredible bit. Christy Nome

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Speaker 2: Let's put some more color on it. I think Congressman

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Speaker 2: Robert Garcia did some amazing work here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: Would you commit to just letting his mother know, as

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Speaker 7: a mother to mother, if Andrey is alive. He was

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Speaker 7: given an asylum appointment by the United States government. We

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Speaker 7: to a foreign prison in El Salvador. His mother just

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Speaker 4: Our asylum applications are different than the granting of asylum,

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Speaker 4: and I don't know the specifics of this individual case.

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Speaker 7: Secretary, you have said that you that in Ol Salvador

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Speaker 7: You have said that and has been quoted as saying

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Speaker 4: This is a question that's best ask to the resident

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Speaker 7: And I think it's I think you know very well

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Speaker 7: that you could ask that question, but you're choosing to

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Speaker 7: do medical secretary is disregard this young man's life, this

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Speaker 7: even request to see if this young man is alive.

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Speaker 7: His family has no idea, has no access to lawyers.

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Speaker 7: I would hope that we would have that humanity, the

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Speaker 7: With that, I yep back, it's shameful.

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Speaker 1: The problem that these people have is that you can't

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Speaker 1: ever go against Trump. So if something is photoshopped and

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. You can't she can't be like

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Speaker 1: just like the people in the hearings where they would say,

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Speaker 1: And then they say, I can't deal with theoreticals, because

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Speaker 1: That's the way in which these people are painted themselves

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Speaker 2: Sob The New York Times has this blockbuster report that

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller is running the DOJ and Pam Bondy is

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Speaker 1: Okay, So today I've had this conversation with six different people,

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Speaker 1: like what is scarier Trump at the rains or Trump

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Speaker 1: slightly diminished and Stephen Miller at the rains? And yes,

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Speaker 1: there is a lot of reasons to fear a Stephen

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Speaker 1: Miller presidency. But just like one Marco Rubio, the guy

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Speaker 1: He's running this, he's running that he's running the DOJ.

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Speaker 1: For sure, I'm sure that's true. That Pam Bondi is

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Speaker 1: do think that this guy can't do It's just one person, right,

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Speaker 1: unless they have really sophisticated AI. There's only so much

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Speaker 1: damage one person could do. Now, Canny do a lot

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Speaker 1: of damage, yes, but it is only one person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just one person with really, really really bad morals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well no, I me and I think we can

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Speaker 1: of us want in charge. But that said, it is

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Speaker 1: only one person. John Heilman is an NBC National News

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Speaker 1: correspondent as well as a Puck News partner. Welcome, Welcome, John.

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Speaker 6: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm just living the dream.

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Speaker 6: You don't seem like super energetic this morning, Molly, What's

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Speaker 1: I'm energetic. I went to a party last night. I'm energetic.

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Speaker 6: Or was the party?

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Speaker 1: Was it the high Line?

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Speaker 1: American life grinds on despite the fact that our political

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Speaker 1: system is in what is what do you think the

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Speaker 6: Surreal? I mean just sort of terror, incognita if you

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Speaker 6: just like there's just so many things for which there

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Speaker 6: that's just constantly. Every day, there's like five things that

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Speaker 6: Don't have that. I don't have that feeling at all.

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Speaker 1: So we talk about the guard rails. We talk about

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Speaker 1: sort of I mean, their courts continue to say, hey,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the courts. The courts stopped the court the courts

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Speaker 6: routinely regularly. Thank God for that branch of government, because

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Speaker 6: Uh so the courts continue to operate. That is a

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Speaker 6: And I guess I here's here's the thing that's worth

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Speaker 6: thinking about. I guess in this text. And maybe you

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Speaker 1: And and my man is in his late seventies. I mean,

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Speaker 5: But I'm curious.

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Speaker 6: You're talking about Tapa Thompson.

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Speaker 1: The Taper Thompson book.

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Speaker 6: if I don't win, everyone in the institutional Democratic Party's

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Speaker 6: going to hate me forever. I think like there's much

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Speaker 6: more like was it much more that the story here

437
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Speaker 6: isn't so much a giant cover up in the way

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Speaker 6: we think of a cover up, as a series of

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Speaker 6: institutional things that led a lot of people to forget

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Speaker 6: what the point of being the Democratic Party was, which

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Speaker 6: is or any party is, which is You've got to win,

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Speaker 6: you know, and it's as not you shouldn't mortgage your

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Speaker 6: values or your preferred policies. Shouldn't you know, you shouldn't

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Speaker 6: do anything to win. That's not win at all cost,

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Speaker 6: that's not stop believing. But you have to win. If

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Speaker 6: you don't win, you this is what happens. You get

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump for the next four years. So you know,

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Speaker 6: you have to first things first, consistent with your priorities,

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Speaker 6: consistent with your values, consistent with your ethics. You have

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Speaker 6: to do anything you can, everything you can to win.

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Speaker 6: And that the Democratic Party was not operating on that

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Speaker 6: principle when it looked just as Joe Biden's poll numbers

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Speaker 6: forget about what people saw behind the scenes. If you

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Speaker 6: just looked at his poll numbers, you would have said,

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Speaker 6: we have a problem. Yeah, you know, for like two

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Speaker 6: years you would have said we have a problem. And

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Speaker 6: you know there were again we go on forever here

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Speaker 6: about this, But you have some countervailing things. Biden was

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Speaker 6: able to look up after the midterms and say, hey,

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Speaker 6: y'all said that we were going to get killed the midterms.

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Speaker 6: We didn't get killed in the midterms. Y'all think I

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Speaker 6: can't give a decent speech. I did okay at the

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Speaker 6: State of the Union. He had things to point to.

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Speaker 6: But again, two and a half years of polling, and

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Speaker 6: what you could see, which was that without saying the

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Speaker 6: guy had Alzheimer's or had dementia or had just think

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Speaker 6: I was old, and he looked his age. He looked

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Speaker 6: his age. And if you look, if you looked at

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Speaker 6: that guy and say, looked his age, he's not his best.

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Speaker 6: He's lost a lot of miles per hour of his fastball.

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Speaker 6: We probably, if we really think democracy is on the line,

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Speaker 6: we probably should consider some other alternatives, because this is

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Speaker 6: not who you put forward in an existential election.

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Speaker 1: But it is interesting now. So Biden was the oldest

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Speaker 1: person ever to be president. Now Donald Trump is the

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Speaker 1: oldest person to ever be president. And this sort of

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Speaker 1: dovetails back to what we were talking about before, which

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Speaker 1: is that as someone who has dealt and just wrote

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Speaker 1: a book about aging parents and my experience with my

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Speaker 1: aging parents and et cetera, et cetera. Getting old is

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Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theory. It's what happens to all of them.

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Speaker 6: Yes, And anybody who's ever dealt with anybody in their eighties, yeah,

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Speaker 6: knows that. It is not agism. Nor is it disrespectful

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Speaker 6: to say people in their eighties are not who you

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Speaker 6: want driving a Formula one car, you know, flying your

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Speaker 6: airplane or being president of the United States. It's not

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Speaker 6: They are diminished in various ways. Do they have wisdom

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Speaker 6: that we don't have? Maybe sometimes yes, if they're wise,

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Speaker 6: like they have certain like some of them do, not

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Speaker 6: all of them. I'm like, I'm not ready to say

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Speaker 6: everyone who's eighty is wiser than me, but I'm saying

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Speaker 6: some are. Some are, but they don't have the reflexes

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Speaker 6: of a of a forty year old, and they don't

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Speaker 6: have the energy or the stamina, and they don't have

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Speaker 6: the sharpness or they don't have to recall, they have

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Speaker 6: a lot of things that are diminished by that age.

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Speaker 6: And so you have to ask that question. It was,

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Speaker 6: you know, to say someone is it's not like you know,

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Speaker 6: you would say you know he's getting out of yours people.

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Speaker 6: You know, you're saying that that people in their agies

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Speaker 6: are worthless. I'm no, I'm not saying they're worthless. I'm

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Speaker 6: just saying they probably are not the best person to

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Speaker 6: have the hardest job in the world.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I would say, and I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to be argumentative here, is I do think that Nancy Pelosi,

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Speaker 1: as I hold of a yellow crayon, God help me,

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Speaker 1: that Nancy Pelosi is pretty sharp.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I'm not saying there aren't exceptions to the rules.

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Speaker 1: Right, but there are exceptions to the rule.

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Speaker 6: Is there are there exceptions to the rule. There are

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Speaker 6: exceptions to every rule. I'm just trying to say as

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Speaker 6: a general thing. You know, I am very much in

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Speaker 6: the John Stewart camp, which was when he first came back,

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Speaker 6: and was like, both of these guys are too old

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Speaker 6: to be president. In three hundred fift I heard this

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Speaker 6: all over the country, which was people would come up

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Speaker 6: to me and go, whether they were Democrats or Republicans,

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Speaker 6: would be like, really, two octagenarian dudes, for both of

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Speaker 6: whom when you watch them, one of whom seems bonkers.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And the other of whom seems like pretty

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Speaker 6: as I watch him shuffle across the south lawn, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: is this really the best we can do? That was

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Speaker 6: what the question that people we give and I and

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Speaker 6: I was always like, that's a totally reasonable question. That's

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Speaker 6: like and again, it's not a dis to Joe Biden

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Speaker 6: or his years of service or the various things that

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Speaker 6: have made him wise, but like you know.

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Speaker 1: At this point, it's just a truism. Yes, about twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four.

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Speaker 6: And and people who would make this point most most

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Speaker 6: appointedly to me, people in their eighties who would say,

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Speaker 6: I am not what I was, what I once was,

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Speaker 6: I wouldn't want this job, and proas like, what are

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Speaker 6: we talking about here? Was it like old? Was it

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Speaker 6: like elderly? People were like you are rallying around Joe

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Speaker 6: Biden constantly? They were kind of going, they we should

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Speaker 6: look at someone younger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's true. And and I think a really

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Speaker 1: good point, John. I hope you will come back.

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Speaker 6: I'll always come back. Yeah, always come back back. And

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Speaker 6: if I didn't tell you this story before, please I'll

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Speaker 6: tell you it now. It's my last is exactly are

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Speaker 6: the point were we're just on I've told one hundred times,

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Speaker 6: but I'll tell it now because it was. It was

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Speaker 6: literally the funniest thing that happened in the whole of

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Speaker 6: the twenty twenty four election cycle. To me that Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: Anything funny happened to you during that anyway, go on yes.

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Speaker 6: Saturday night after the Republican Convention. You'll recall this weird

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Speaker 6: span of time where Trump assassination, attempt a convention in Milwaukee,

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Speaker 6: and then other things that happened immediately there after. So

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Speaker 6: the Saturday night after the Republican Convention ended on a

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Speaker 6: Thursday Saturday night, Dave Chappelle and John Stewart did a

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Speaker 6: comedy set at the kind of like a freends and

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Speaker 6: family show at the Apollo Theater at Harlem, and John

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Speaker 6: told this story in his set. He said to the crowd,

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Speaker 6: you know, I just came back. I've been back on

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Speaker 6: six months. I've been getting a lot of crap from

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Speaker 6: Democrats because I came out at the very beginning it

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Speaker 6: said that both of these guys are told to be president.

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Speaker 6: And you know, it's been really hard for me because

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Speaker 6: how many people in the crowd have had someone in

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Speaker 6: their eighties who they've had to do something hard in

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Speaker 6: their family, you know, an uncle, a grandfather or a grandmother,

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Speaker 6: a mother, a father, or whatever, where they've had to

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Speaker 6: do something like take away their driver's license to their

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Speaker 6: car keys. Everyone's hand went up in the room and

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Speaker 6: Stuart said, you know, yeah, what happened with me with

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Speaker 6: my nana. My nana was in her nineties and we

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Speaker 6: had to take away a driver's license and it was

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Speaker 6: the hardest thing we'd ever done. It with the last

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Speaker 6: shred of her independence. She just like, look, was clinging

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Speaker 6: to this one thing. She was kind of like, don't

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Speaker 6: take my driver's license. That's basically like putting me in

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Speaker 6: the grave. But my family rallied, We did the hard thing,

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Speaker 6: We had the hard conversations, and we finally got her

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Speaker 6: to give up her driver's license. It was really painful,

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Speaker 6: but it was the right thing to do, but it

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Speaker 6: was really painful, and you know, and then he said, now,

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Speaker 6: just imagine we were trying to do that with twenty

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Speaker 6: million people going. Let the bitch drive, Like that's how

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Speaker 6: it s felt with me and Joe Biden. Let the

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Speaker 6: bitch drive. That made me laugh and will make me

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Speaker 6: laugh forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Let the bitch drive. Thank you, thank.

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Speaker 6: You, bye, mollie Ie.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin is the junior Senator from Wisconson. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Tammy Paldwin. It's great to be There's a

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Speaker 1: big beautiful bill. Is it called one big beautiful bill?

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Speaker 1: Is that what it's called?

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Speaker 8: You know, if you're a billionaire, you might think so,

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Speaker 8: But this is good for the wealthy and bad for you.

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Speaker 5: And that's kind of what we're dealing with, right.

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Speaker 1: I would love you to explain to us where it is,

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Speaker 1: where it's going, and a little bit about sort of

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Speaker 1: how it's being put together right now.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: So, the way they start the reconciliation process is they

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Speaker 8: tell all these committees in the House of Representatives, you

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Speaker 8: got to find some cuts here, or in some cases

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Speaker 8: they're saying you even have more money to spend here,

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Speaker 8: like for the tax breaks for the billionaires, right, And

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Speaker 8: so they instruct all these committees to do this, and

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Speaker 8: this week all the major committees that deal with big

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Speaker 8: pieces of this are doing their work. So they are

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Speaker 8: looking at the medicaid budget, they are looking at the

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Speaker 8: agriculture budget and nutrition programs. They are looking at more

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Speaker 8: tax breaks they can get to corporations, and billionaires in

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Speaker 8: the various different.

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Speaker 5: Committees in the House, and that's happening this week.

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Speaker 1: And the nutrition benefits that you're talking about, that's SNAP,

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Speaker 1: that's supplemental nutritional assistance. So there's an eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighty billion dollar cut to Medicaid and medicare right, talk

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Speaker 1: me through. That was like the top line number they

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Speaker 1: needed to pay for the tax cuts that are already

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Speaker 1: in place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so let me tell you a little bit about that.

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Speaker 8: That was the instruction, the goal set for the Energy

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Speaker 8: and Commerce Committee in the House. I used to sit

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Speaker 8: on it, so I know a little is something about this,

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Speaker 8: and so they have met their goal, or that's what

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Speaker 8: they are in the process of doing this week, by

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Speaker 8: cutting Medicaid about seven hundred and fifty billion dollars and

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Speaker 8: then making some other cuts, particularly some of the energy

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Speaker 8: things like clean energy tax credits. They've taken some pieces

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Speaker 8: out of other areas too. But let's talk about the

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Speaker 8: big one, Medicaid. We predict that somewhere close to fourteen

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Speaker 8: million people will lose their healthcare because of the cuts

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Speaker 8: that are being proposed this week. Some of those people

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Speaker 8: will lose their healthcare because of the work reporting requirements

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Speaker 8: that they are putting forward, which by the way, is

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Speaker 8: just a scheme and I'll be happy to tell you

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Speaker 8: more about that later.

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Speaker 5: And the other big group.

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Speaker 8: Of people will lose their health insurance because Republicans have

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Speaker 8: turned away from a tax credit that helps people afford

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Speaker 8: their healthcare in the Affordable Care Act. This is a

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Speaker 8: really important premium tax credit that really makes healthcare super

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Speaker 8: affordable for those who otherwise would probably choose to go

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Speaker 8: without because they just couldn't afford the monthly premium.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also sort of reason more money for

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Speaker 1: the military. More money, give me the kind of breakdown

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Speaker 1: of where it is.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So the places where you will see more spending

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Speaker 8: according to Trump, priorities are the military, homeland security, and

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Speaker 8: of course they will allow the committees that deal with

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Speaker 8: tax policy to spend more in order to both continue

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Speaker 8: some of the Trump one point zero era tax cuts

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Speaker 8: for corporations and the wealthy, but also they are looking

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Speaker 8: seriously at adding some more tax cuts that benefit the

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Speaker 8: wealthy in America. And so those are sort of the

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Speaker 8: three major areas where you're seeing the committees freed up

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Speaker 8: to spend more money. In fact, they predict next year

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Speaker 8: that for the first time ever, the Defense Department will

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Speaker 8: spend over a trillion dollars. That is like unfathomable in

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Speaker 8: so many different ways. But in any event, they're cutting

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Speaker 8: everything else. But when you put everything else together, it

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Speaker 8: is much smaller. In order to achieve the type of

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Speaker 8: savings that they're talking about to pay for their tax

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Speaker 8: breaks for the wealthy, it would be.

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Speaker 5: Crippling to so many programs.

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Speaker 8: We talked about nutrition programs, snap in particular, Medicaid, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: And what I would say is that a lot of.

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Speaker 8: Republicans that I'm hearing from say quietly at this point,

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Speaker 8: but are uncomfortable with the deep cuts that are being

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Speaker 8: proposed for Medicaid. And I think if people keep doing

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Speaker 8: what they've been doing and speaking out and sharing their

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Speaker 8: stories and writing their particularly their Republican representatives, but write

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Speaker 8: all of us. But I think we can make some

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Speaker 8: headway in getting them to back off some of the

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Speaker 8: worst of their proposals.

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Speaker 1: So you've been in the Senate a while, you know

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Speaker 1: all of these people. Clearly there has to be some

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Speaker 1: regret for letting these cabinet picks slide through. And you

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Speaker 1: don't even have to tell me who. But I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you know there are some good Republican senators right. They

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Speaker 1: may not agree with us, but they're good people, largely

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Speaker 1: who have gone into government service to serve and not

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Speaker 1: to profit with the RFK stuff. I mean, are you

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Speaker 1: seeing a little buyer's remorse here from some of these

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Speaker 1: Republican senators.

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Speaker 8: Mollie, I want to answer this in a couple of

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Speaker 8: different ways. You're saying, I've served in the Senate a while,

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Speaker 8: I've served with some of these people. I want to

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Speaker 8: tell you that a whole bunch of new Republican senators

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Speaker 8: that have been elected in the past couple of cycles,

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Speaker 8: and many of them are supercharged LAGA people, so you know,

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Speaker 8: I'm getting to know them, but they're not the ones

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Speaker 8: we're talking about. Absolutely, there are senators who are having

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Speaker 8: buyers remorse with regard to some of the confirmation votes

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Speaker 8: they've cast, also for the amount of cruelty and harm

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Speaker 8: this budget reconciliation process is teeing up. But I also

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Speaker 8: want to just mention one other thing that I that

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Speaker 8: I'm keeping in the back of my mind because you know,

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Speaker 8: every so often I have to be reminded of this

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Speaker 8: both in the House as they're trying to figure out

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Speaker 8: how to put together a majority to advance this reconciliation bill.

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Speaker 8: You have some who have said, and I'm not going

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Speaker 8: to call them moderates, these are just maybe more traditional

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Speaker 8: Republicans who have said, oh, some of these cuts go

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Speaker 8: a little too far, and then have this right flank

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Speaker 8: that says, we are not voting for any bill unless

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Speaker 8: you cut five trillion dollars out of domestic spending, because

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Speaker 8: we're not going to vote for a bill where the

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Speaker 8: tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations aren't completely paid for.

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Speaker 8: Now in the Senate, interestingly, my counterpart in the United

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Speaker 8: States Senate run Johnson has recently said the same thing.

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Speaker 5: He says he will.

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Speaker 8: Not vote for a measure where the tax breaks for

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Speaker 8: the wealthy and corporations are not fully paid for. And

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Speaker 8: so it makes for strange bedfellows, if you will that

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Speaker 8: there are folks who say, I'm not going to support

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Speaker 8: it because the cuts are too deep and it hurts

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Speaker 8: my constituents too badly. And you know, at the end

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Speaker 8: of the day, if it ends up being some super

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Speaker 8: right wingers who join with a couple of more traditional Republicans,

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Speaker 8: and then all the Democrats in opposing this.

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Speaker 5: Who knows what's going to happen, But we.

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Speaker 8: Have a lot of hard work to do between now

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Speaker 8: as we're speaking and the houses marking up all their

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Speaker 8: bills and the final votes in each House of Congress.

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Speaker 8: So got a lot of work on all of our

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Speaker 8: shoulders to make sure that we put a stop to

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Speaker 8: the cruelest and most harmful of these proposers.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's a really good and I

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Speaker 1: mean we saw this with the tariffs, too, right. I

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Speaker 1: mean Rand Paul, who is hardly anyone's idea of a liberal,

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Speaker 1: is staunchly against the tariffs, and he turned out to

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Speaker 1: be a sort of ally there. I feel like what

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Speaker 1: we've seen with Trump is that if you push back

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Speaker 1: in a big, loud way, right, you get the attention

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Speaker 1: of a Laura Luhmer or someone like that, right, one

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Speaker 1: of his people, for example, cutting these social safety net stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that there are populas

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Speaker 1: in Trump's camp who don't like this kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And so I'm wondering, do you think that that's sort

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Speaker 1: of the play. And then also I want to add,

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Speaker 1: if this doesn't pass, what does that look like?

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Speaker 5: Boy? A lot of great questions there.

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Speaker 8: So I do think our most powerful tool is elevating

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Speaker 8: the stories of the people who would be harmed by

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Speaker 8: the worst provisions. And for the last months we've been

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Speaker 8: trying to organize folks and uplift their stories, not knowing

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Speaker 8: exactly what shape or form the final cuts would take.

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Speaker 8: And this week is really the first week where we've

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Speaker 8: seen them put things into writing and now can assess

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Speaker 8: with much greater specificity, assuming they pass what's before them,

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Speaker 8: how it's going to harm people. And you know, when

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Speaker 8: you're talking about fourteen fifteen million people losing their healthcare,

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Speaker 8: that's something that as soon as that knowledge gets out,

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Speaker 8: we have a way of fighting back through the population.

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Speaker 8: So first question is what happens in the House. We've

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Speaker 8: seen this before where the more traditional Republicans are at

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Speaker 8: a breakpoint with the right wing flank that is insisting

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Speaker 8: on massive cuts to government spending, as they say, so

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Speaker 8: they're going to have to work through that first, and

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Speaker 8: we'll see it in real time as it happens over

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Speaker 8: the next week or two, and that will be predictive obviously,

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Speaker 8: if they can't get their act together and can't do

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Speaker 8: it by Memorial Day, which is their goal. Then they'll

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Speaker 8: take another stab at it when we get back after

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Speaker 8: the Memorial Day recess if they are able to come

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Speaker 8: to some fragile agreement and send it over to the Senate. Again,

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Speaker 8: this is budget reconciliation, so they get around the filibuster.

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Speaker 8: It only takes a simple majority vote, and there we're

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Speaker 8: going to be working really hard to persuade both flanks

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Speaker 8: of that Republican caucus, the ones who won't vote for

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Speaker 8: it unless it's fully paid for, and the ones who

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Speaker 8: think that the proposals that are out there right now

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Speaker 8: are too cool and too harmful for our neighbors and

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Speaker 8: are willing to help us fight.

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Speaker 1: When you cut these programs like Medicare Medicaid, they will

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Speaker 1: be larger things like closing of nursing homes and rural hospitals,

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Speaker 1: largely in red states where there's less state tax. There

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Speaker 1: are certainly Republican senators who understand this and what is

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Speaker 1: their feeling on this? So can you use this to

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Speaker 1: prevent it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: So I think the answer is yes. Really, until we

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Speaker 8: saw the specifics about the cuts they were intending, we

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Speaker 8: were organizing folks who rely on Medicaid in their families

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Speaker 8: because you know, they have a relative who's a senior

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Speaker 8: in a nursing home, and the majority of seniors in

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Speaker 8: nursing homes rely on Medicaid, or people who have, say

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Speaker 8: an adult child with significant disabilities, and they rely on

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Speaker 8: Medicaid for both services and healthcare. A third of all

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Speaker 8: children are on Medicaid. So we were elevating those stories.

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Speaker 8: But one of the points I was also trying to

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Speaker 8: draw out is there's a lot of people whose employment

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Speaker 8: is paid for it by Medicaid. The people who work

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Speaker 8: in nursing homes, the people who work in rural critical

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Speaker 8: access hospitals, the people who work in nonprofits that serve

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Speaker 8: adults and children with severe disabilities.

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Speaker 5: All of those people their jobs.

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Speaker 8: Are there and part of their salaries come from the

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Speaker 8: Medicaid program. And so I think because of the nature

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Speaker 8: of some of the specifics they're now proposing, we are

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Speaker 8: going to be able to get a whole new group

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Speaker 8: of people speaking out. Hospital administrators and nursing home administrators,

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Speaker 8: but also the frontline nurses and nurses assistants who provide

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Speaker 8: care every single day under very tough circumstances, you know,

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Speaker 8: because they're dedicated to the health and well being of

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Speaker 8: their Naghbin.

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Speaker 1: It would be malpractice if they did not ask you

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Speaker 1: about the plane. Donald Trump wants to take a four

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar plane from the royal family of Qatar

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Speaker 1: and use it as Air Force One. Cynthia Lumis was

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Speaker 1: asked about this. She's quite a trumpy Republican and she

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Speaker 1: burst out laughing, Yes, that's my question. Is me just

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Speaker 1: without speech?

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Speaker 8: I know? And there's so many different ways you can

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Speaker 8: respond to this. You know, this is corruption at its highest.

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Speaker 1: Is it a violation of the emoluments cause?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, But let me give you the anecdote that I

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Speaker 8: just heard from a colleague.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'm not gonna give you attributes.

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Speaker 8: To who it was, but it's like, would you let

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Speaker 8: the Katari royal family rebuild the White House situation room,

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Speaker 8: rebuild the press conference room, rebuild the Oval office, because

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Speaker 8: that is what Air Force one is. It has all

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Speaker 8: of those things in it. This is so ridiculous. And

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Speaker 8: then the amount of money that it's going to take

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Speaker 8: to take out what the Kataris have installed in terms

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Speaker 8: of communications and security, et cetera, and replace it with

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Speaker 8: stuff that we know is secure and impenetrable. Is probably

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Speaker 8: going to cost more than just waiting two more years

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Speaker 8: for the new air Force.

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Speaker 1: Like the conversations I had with people who's taught me

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Speaker 1: in this stream, how grid are you about securing the

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Speaker 1: midterms and having free and fair elections for the midterms,

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Speaker 1: because this is the thing that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: I know are word about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So I'm looking at a whole bunch of things that

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Speaker 8: I think we've seen throughout history in the demise of

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Speaker 8: other democracies, are signs that something really bad is happening.

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Speaker 8: And part of it is election denial, trying to disenfranchise

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Speaker 8: parts of the electorate, trying to make it harder to

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Speaker 8: vote in various ways. Part of it is corruption and

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Speaker 8: the mass movement of taxpayer dollars to the very wealthy,

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Speaker 8: the oligarchs of a society, other types of corruption. There's

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Speaker 8: hallmarks of what happens when a democracy is in trouble.

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Speaker 5: And boy, I can tell you I see.

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Speaker 8: Action after action in this administration that overreach, that cross

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Speaker 8: those lines that make me very concerned, and we've got

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Speaker 8: to be vigilant about it.

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Speaker 5: At the same.

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Speaker 8: Time that we're fighting to make sure that our constituents

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Speaker 8: have access to healthcare and have access to nutrition programs.

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Speaker 5: We have to do it all, but we.

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Speaker 8: Have the courts, we have the Congress when it acts,

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Speaker 8: we have our constituents who we are fighting alongside on

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Speaker 8: all of these fronts, and that's how we are going

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Speaker 8: to push it.

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Speaker 1: Things really get like a situation where you start to

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Speaker 1: really panic. Do you think that there are enough Republican votes?

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Speaker 1: Because I think there are, but I'm not in there

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Speaker 1: enough for Publican votes to run a check on Trump

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Speaker 1: if he starts doing really out of the box staff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 8: I have heard a number of my Republican colleagues ask

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Speaker 8: a question that almost all of my Democratic colleagues have

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Speaker 8: been asking, and that is, when faced with a law

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Speaker 8: that Congress has passed or a ruling of a court,

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Speaker 8: would you follow that law or follow that ruling over

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Speaker 8: an order from the Trump administration to the contrary? And

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Speaker 8: I heard that question asked by a Republican colleague at

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Speaker 8: a Commerce Committee hearing earlier this week, And I'm hearing

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Speaker 8: increasingly Republicans saying to Trump nominees, there's only one right

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Speaker 8: answer to this question. It's crossing a line too far.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 8: Is that many of my Republican colleagues. No, but if

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Speaker 8: it's a simple majority vote, we only need four to

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Speaker 8: stand strong. If it's something that can be decided, you

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Speaker 8: know that has a subject to a filibuster, we need

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Speaker 8: a few more.

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Speaker 1: Tammy Baldwin, I am so delighted to get to have

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Speaker 1: you on this podcast. I hope you will come back

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Speaker 1: because it's just you know, you are answering these questions.

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Speaker 1: I ask these very nerdy questions because I'm like, so

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Speaker 1: interested in the procedural, where I feel like most people

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Speaker 1: are not so interested in. I'd well, you're making them

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Speaker 1: as this is crying, So please come back, senitor, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: No moment fu Jesse Cannon smile.

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Speaker 2: Let's say your Health and Human Services director has just

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Speaker 2: gotten back from a nice swim and some sewage.

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Speaker 1: In Rock Creek Park.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what would you like the quote for them to

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Speaker 2: be at their next press conference? Because if I was

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Speaker 2: in the Trump administration, I don't think i'd want that

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Speaker 2: quote to be. I don't think people should be taking

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Speaker 2: medical advice for me when you're in charge of medical policy.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about RFK Junior is that

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Speaker 1: he really does seem like he doesn't know what is

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Speaker 1: going on, You know what I mean, Like he really unhinged.

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Speaker 1: Like he also said earlier this week that it's because

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Speaker 1: Trump gets money.

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Speaker 2: Remember that, Yes, yes, yes, we discussed that on the

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Speaker 2: last episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I honestly think he's like still kind of

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Speaker 1: a Democrat secret weapon, despite the fact that he is

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Speaker 1: disassembling much of the federal government. Yeah no, I mean

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior, this guy, you know, he is the guy

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Speaker 1: who goes to the bathroom without wearing shoes on an xplane.

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Speaker 6: You're welcome.

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