Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three oh six,
Speaker 1: Episode three of Dirt Daily's I Guys Day.
Speaker 2: Production of iHeartRadio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 2: a deep.
Speaker 1: Dive into America's share consciousness. And it is Wednesday, September
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: You know what that is?
Speaker 1: Seven is delivered divisible by ninety three nine twenty seven three.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot going on from.
Speaker 2: A logical perspective.
Speaker 3: Wow, which makes sense because today is National corn Beef
Speaker 3: hash Day, one of our favorite dirty diner breakfast foods.
Speaker 3: Also National Chocolate Milk Day, World Dense Breast Day, National
Speaker 3: Scarf Day, World Russia Can Day.
Speaker 2: Did you say World dense Breast.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, having dense breasts like dense breast tissue.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah yeah yeah, tell you you.
Speaker 3: Know as wild I'm pretty sure last year when it
Speaker 3: was this time, we had a guess it was like
Speaker 3: oh oh yeah, yeah, like well put me on today
Speaker 3: was like oh yeah, okay, I know I heard about.
Speaker 3: Oh and this year too, because I think last time
Speaker 3: it was I forget who. But anyway, it's I remember
Speaker 3: this this holiday coming around because I was put onto
Speaker 3: science with this day.
Speaker 4: Sun Yes, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien, and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled. Sometimes you just got to clear out the paint.
Speaker 3: No, no, when you know it's barely rehearsed.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined us as always by my
Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 3: Miles Gray, A k A. I'm just a girl who
Speaker 3: likes hot water. I call it Alicia Teas hot leaf
Speaker 3: juice on my way teas from around though, Well just
Speaker 3: that hot water. He's thru t luxury. Let me teach
Speaker 3: you how today. Hot leaf flavored water, hot sleep labor water.
Speaker 2: Okay, shout out.
Speaker 3: To Rayzac on the discord, because yeah, I said, wait,
Speaker 3: Alicia Keys is making something called Alicia Teas. Come on,
Speaker 3: we could You're more creative than that, but hey here
Speaker 3: we are, so shout out to you for that wonderful
Speaker 3: girl on fire is fired. AKA.
Speaker 1: It's either very dumb or very smart. It's it's the two.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go full quint on this. It's very just
Speaker 1: gone under the boat, very dumb or very smart. I
Speaker 1: kind of love it. Actually, I could see this Alicia
Speaker 1: Teas sweeping the nation.
Speaker 3: I mean Swiss beat says it will be in every Starbucks.
Speaker 3: Oh really, that was his powerful claim. Now I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's true, but I love the confidence. You
Speaker 3: need that kind of confident partner, don't you.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sweeping the nation, we are thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined by a brilliant writer, producer, advice columnist, journalist, podcast host.
Speaker 1: Just all all the professions. She's had them all, she's
Speaker 1: been good at them all. Her memoir Why Didn't You
Speaker 1: Tell Me was called propulsive and explosive by Publishers Weekly.
Speaker 1: She was called a master storyteller by something called The
Speaker 1: New York Times.
Speaker 2: I believe it is Please welcome.
Speaker 1: I've heard a brilliant, the talented Carmen Rita Walla.
Speaker 5: I've been holding in labs for the past five minutes.
Speaker 5: What hey, guys, Oh my god, it's so good to
Speaker 5: join you always always, always these topics, many these topics.
Speaker 3: Plate got a lot of the plate got a lot of.
Speaker 5: Happy national dense breast day. Yes, someone who's been celebrating today. Okay,
Speaker 5: thank you. Make sure you take care of those tatas. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and get those DNSE ones shutted out, yes.
Speaker 3: Because they can hide cancers on a mamma.
Speaker 5: Yes, they can.
Speaker 3: Ah, Okay, that's why it's not just like it's not
Speaker 3: just some like shout out to dense breast. It's more
Speaker 3: like a right it is.
Speaker 5: Go get aware sounds Yes it is.
Speaker 2: It got it.
Speaker 1: Amazing. How are you doing, Carmen? Where are you coming
Speaker 1: to us from?
Speaker 5: I'm good coming to you from NYC? Is NYC cold
Speaker 5: and rainy, but fabulous. We like it like this. Sometimes
Speaker 5: he has a.
Speaker 3: Puddles and fully fall already.
Speaker 5: I no, though. I got to tell you the second
Speaker 5: it dropped. A couple of weeks ago, it dropped to
Speaker 5: like sixty five and and some people went from shorts
Speaker 5: and tank chops to I saw grown men in three
Speaker 5: layers like including.
Speaker 1: A vest yep and dressed for the weather. Dress for
Speaker 1: the weather.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, dressed appropriately. What are you get it?
Speaker 5: You go out in a sweater like sixtys like that's
Speaker 5: your living room.
Speaker 1: They had their fits that were burning a hole in
Speaker 1: their closet.
Speaker 4: They were ready.
Speaker 3: Oh my good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, he did look pretty fly. But I
Speaker 5: was like, my man, just sill out October.
Speaker 3: Okay, hold it.
Speaker 5: I know you're excited.
Speaker 3: It's sixty nine degrees. You don't need a full on
Speaker 3: knit half right now.
Speaker 1: But you do you need a full on nit hat
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles when it's one hundred degrees out? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gone away, though. I feel like the nit hat
Speaker 1: for for whatever reason, is no longer.
Speaker 3: Like this because everyone's wearing the super micro beanie?
Speaker 2: Are they even?
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just not going Maybe it's gone away because
Speaker 1: I've gone away from society and I don't go outside anymore.
Speaker 5: No, it just depends on how.
Speaker 1: You wear it.
Speaker 5: But you gotta wait till you know. I'll wait till
Speaker 5: it's like seventy because you know, I don't have much
Speaker 5: on my head, so you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah you are. You're pulling off a very
Speaker 1: nice short.
Speaker 5: Long for me. As Miles Nosey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was close.
Speaker 5: I like it a little, you know, Mad.
Speaker 1: Max Furiosa, give me? Do you sit down and say
Speaker 1: give me the Furiosa?
Speaker 5: Oh she knows, My girl knows.
Speaker 1: Just curios sit down and say get me remember predated?
Speaker 2: Yeah there you go.
Speaker 1: So furio So sat down, said give me the Carmen
Speaker 1: rita wong.
Speaker 3: With it? Give me the c R dub is what
Speaker 3: you called it? Dub? Real quick?
Speaker 5: That it's easy, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, all right, well, we are going to get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better. First, we're going to
Speaker 1: tell our listeners a couple of things that we're talking
Speaker 1: about today. Uh, the Republicans, are they really I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Miles. You wrote in your summary of this
Speaker 1: story that it seems like they don't realize that women
Speaker 1: can vote that because some of these policies they they
Speaker 1: are just doubling down, tripling down on some of the
Speaker 1: most horrifying policies when it comes to the rights that
Speaker 1: women have in our civilization. I want to pull those back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about one that regards no fault divorce,
Speaker 1: which they they they're not fans on the.
Speaker 3: Right for the male they lose.
Speaker 1: That's exactly We're gonna talk about. Biden making history by
Speaker 1: joining the UAW picket line. Whether it's all you know, gesture,
Speaker 1: or whether there's something here. I feel good about this,
Speaker 1: you know, like I say, let's take a win for
Speaker 1: the left here. Even if he's not he's not taking
Speaker 1: aside officially, it does feel like the fact that he
Speaker 1: feels the need to do this proves that, like all
Speaker 1: of the labor energy, all of the union work that
Speaker 1: is being put In is having an effect, you know,
Speaker 1: and so we might even talk about why Chevy Trade
Speaker 1: Chase is trending. Hint, it is because he's an asshole.
Speaker 1: All of that plenty more. But first, Carmen, we do
Speaker 1: like to ask our guests, Yeah, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history?
Speaker 5: Well, I was gonna say your first topic is a
Speaker 5: good one, but we'll go back to the no fault divorce.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell you know what, and this is
Speaker 5: not even a plug or anything, but Carrie Washington's new memoir.
Speaker 5: She's just doing interviews and it just came out. And
Speaker 5: here's the thing I had to google because I'm reading
Speaker 5: everything about I haven't gotten the book yet. But she also,
Speaker 5: like me, found out that her biological father was not
Speaker 5: who she grew up with.
Speaker 1: Oh oh well, and that.
Speaker 5: Was kept from her whole life until she got booked
Speaker 5: on you know, Henry Lewis Gates Junior Skipp Junior's show
Speaker 5: on PBS.
Speaker 4: Oh for real.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I'm not telling you anything that's not
Speaker 5: out there. But then they contact her. She was all
Speaker 5: excited and her parents were excited until they said, well,
Speaker 5: you need to do a DNA test. And then her
Speaker 5: parents were like, oh, excuse me, carry to you. You
Speaker 5: have something to tell you.
Speaker 2: That is the premise of the show.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, so and it's funny because she, I mean,
Speaker 5: this also happened to me as well, which is what
Speaker 5: I write about. But what she describes really really well,
Speaker 5: which I so appreciate because it's not necessarily something people
Speaker 5: would think about, is she, like me, grew up our
Speaker 5: whole lives knowing something was wrong, something was off right,
Speaker 5: almost like feeling like something was wrong with our bodies,
Speaker 5: like we didn't things didn't match up, and that it
Speaker 5: was really uncomfortable. It was very like a subconscious thing.
Speaker 5: And it's lots of anxiety and perfections. All this sort
Speaker 5: of stuff just happens and you don't even know why, right,
Speaker 5: and then this all this stuff comes out and you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: my parents have been keeping the truth from me my
Speaker 5: whole life, and you imagine living with them and then
Speaker 5: then they know and every time they look at you.
Speaker 5: So yeah, all to say, people, please talk to your children,
Speaker 5: tell the true, Please tell them the truth. But that
Speaker 5: was my last. That was my last, and Google search.
Speaker 1: Are you like, how radical is the radical honesty with
Speaker 1: the kids? Are you like a no Santa Claus thing,
Speaker 1: or are you like, how how far are we going?
Speaker 1: Are we saying like straight up? Look Santa Claus because
Speaker 1: their parents are liars.
Speaker 5: First of all, my child figured it out before I
Speaker 5: even had to say. She's like, she's that kind of kid.
Speaker 5: She's like, she's my kid. She was like, so I
Speaker 5: know who you are. I know who you are, Santle,
Speaker 5: So you can stop it, but please keep writing it
Speaker 5: all my presence because it's cute. But I think that
Speaker 5: you know, like she she mentions as well, Carrie as like,
Speaker 5: when the secret is another human being, right, you gotta
Speaker 5: talk like you're creating. Basically, I say to people it's like, look,
Speaker 5: and I get asked this a lot when I give talks.
Speaker 5: It's like, well, well, what is it? Is it? Entitlement?
Speaker 5: Like what is it that makes you feeling it? Look,
Speaker 5: a secret is yours as long as it's yours. But
Speaker 5: when you create another human being that is no longer yours,
Speaker 5: that is actually a person, so it's no longer a secret.
Speaker 5: It's a human And we can say as parents, like,
Speaker 5: well you're my kid. Listen, kids, do not please everyone,
Speaker 5: get this through your head. Kids not belong to you.
Speaker 5: They are not belongings. They are people, so you must
Speaker 5: treat them as such. And they're separate humans and you
Speaker 5: need to treat them that way. And part of that
Speaker 5: is being very honest about how they came about and
Speaker 5: what's going on in your life. But I will tell
Speaker 5: you a funny thing is I don't my daughter and
Speaker 5: I we talk a lot, but one of my nieces
Speaker 5: said something about my first husband. I can't remember how
Speaker 5: old my daughter was, but she was like maybe ten,
Speaker 5: and she was like, you've been married before.
Speaker 3: Like she was like, you kept this from me.
Speaker 5: And I was like, I was like, girl, I just
Speaker 5: didn't think about it. Tell you, like, it was a
Speaker 5: long time ago, and it's so that's not a secret.
Speaker 5: It was just I just didn't think about it. But
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 3: It was hilarious, right right. If I think if like
Speaker 3: to your point, like, if a secret alters someone's total
Speaker 3: understanding of themselves in the world they live in, it's like, no,
Speaker 3: then that's not a secret. That's a potential like psychic
Speaker 3: bomb that you have to diffuse as quickly as possible.
Speaker 5: Yeah, tremendous bomb, and it affects your whole likely it
Speaker 5: literally affected me from the time I was a kid,
Speaker 5: like I remember it. It's definitely there. And you can't
Speaker 5: subconsciously carrying a secret like that and then living with
Speaker 5: your secret, right, Like what does that do to you
Speaker 5: and your relationship with that person? And my thing is like, look,
Speaker 5: you keep secrets in lines from people that you love.
Speaker 5: That creates such a big distance that person can't be
Speaker 5: your real friend or your real like love or your
Speaker 5: real whatever like where it's just a huge distance that
Speaker 5: separates you from me people you love.
Speaker 2: So come clean.
Speaker 1: Have to have the courage to come clean.
Speaker 2: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 5: I'm not one of those don't be mad at you, guys.
Speaker 5: I'm not one of those overrated onerary people because I
Speaker 5: like everybody, like I don't like to yuck anybody's young,
Speaker 5: I like. But I will tell you this. You know
Speaker 5: what's overrated the idea that everybody has the right to
Speaker 5: say whatever they want and not get any repercussion. And
Speaker 5: I'm mostly talking about We're not talking about the big names.
Speaker 5: We're talking about like Twitter, Instagram. You know when you
Speaker 5: post stuff right and it's like, well this is the
Speaker 5: thing you do with me, and people actually say stuff
Speaker 5: like that and it's just insane, Like, well, then don't listen,
Speaker 5: don't watch, don't read, don't you know.
Speaker 3: Whatever, oh you're saying, Like when people take a post
Speaker 3: and make it about themselves, they're like, but I'm not
Speaker 3: a woman who had an identity crisis based on like
Speaker 3: a family secret, So why that's excluding me? Why are
Speaker 3: you talking about Yeah, it's just so much.
Speaker 5: It's just so bout or even you have an opinion
Speaker 5: on something, like you're talking about your topics today, right,
Speaker 5: and it's just that you're like, yeah, well but it's
Speaker 5: that idea. It's so overrated, frankly, to always constantly have
Speaker 5: a voice. I tell like, I keep bringing on my kid,
Speaker 5: but I keep telling her like sometimes the best thing
Speaker 5: to do is to be quiet and to listen before
Speaker 5: you say something. Yea, So people, that's very overrated to
Speaker 5: constantly react and talk all the time.
Speaker 1: You also, you also have the right to say, actually,
Speaker 1: let me let.
Speaker 2: Me think about that. I don't know if people are.
Speaker 1: Pushing you, yeah, let me think tell me because I
Speaker 1: have a I am a germinally slow thinker, and I
Speaker 1: have all this anxiety around being in a conversation and
Speaker 1: not knowing what to say. And like one of the
Speaker 1: things that you can do is just be like, hmmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure. Let me let me think
Speaker 1: on that, and like get back to you. And I
Speaker 1: didn't like the first time I was able to do that,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that actually works.
Speaker 5: So you're hosting a podcast now, like, look at you.
Speaker 3: No man.
Speaker 5: One of the things one of the first jobs that
Speaker 5: I got, it was a job interview and the I
Speaker 5: said this, I think it was my late twenties and
Speaker 5: the HR person, I really wanted this job, and she
Speaker 5: asked me something and I don't know what gone into me,
Speaker 5: and I just looked right at her and I said,
Speaker 5: I do not know. I do not know. And she
Speaker 5: told me later she was like, you got the job because.
Speaker 3: You didn't bullshit me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: It's sometimes people are so bad at bullshitting, Like the
Speaker 3: second they start bullshiting, like come on, just say you
Speaker 3: didn't fucking know. Like, sometimes it is so repulsive to
Speaker 3: hear that. You're like, I'm sure that recruiter's point of
Speaker 3: the person I was hiring was like, thank god, this
Speaker 3: person was just a person who said, you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know because I'm not about to be like, well
Speaker 3: that's as a concept, will I believe that is very
Speaker 3: interesting and something that the question right right right?
Speaker 1: What is the question really but a statement with leaving
Speaker 1: me room to fill it in.
Speaker 5: With exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I also think looking them in the eye and saying
Speaker 1: I do not know, as opposed to looking to the
Speaker 1: side and saying oh, which is probably what I would
Speaker 1: have done in my early twenties, probably helped. So you
Speaker 1: got nothing underrated or well underrated.
Speaker 5: Well, we were just talking about it, like it's underrated
Speaker 5: to just admit that you don't know and just because
Speaker 5: let me tell you, the biggest sign of cohones and
Speaker 5: ovaries is like telling me you don't know, or I
Speaker 5: need to read more or I'm not sure or I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about it, or ask me questions, like just really
Speaker 5: being curious. It's so underrated, Like just do the work
Speaker 5: right or you know, if somebody says i'll post something,
Speaker 5: they'll be like, oh, can you send me the link?
Speaker 1: No, right, Google right right, Like I'm.
Speaker 5: Not doing any work for you.
Speaker 3: That just sets something off in your brain that allows
Speaker 3: you to go on your own journey seeking information.
Speaker 5: Yeah, super super super so I know this is like
Speaker 5: deep shit. You're probably like thinking about talk goals and stuff.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just.
Speaker 1: Wanted to hear your opinions on tacos. This is now
Speaker 1: I'm just joking.
Speaker 3: Yeah you love it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So often my first thought is to send the gift. Here,
Speaker 1: let me google that for you. And then my second
Speaker 1: thought is, yeah, all right, I'll give them the answer.
Speaker 1: I'll like actually the research for that, so I need to.
Speaker 4: I need to.
Speaker 1: My first thought is here, let me google that for you.
Speaker 1: My second thought should be either don't say anything and
Speaker 1: let them kind of fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2: That like that, that could have been something you do.
Speaker 5: Boundaries That is very underrated. Boundaries. I love them. I
Speaker 5: employ them very much now in my life. I'm a
Speaker 5: previous not so good at it person. Right, it took
Speaker 5: a lot of work, but my goodness, the boards.
Speaker 3: My dad would do this thing where if I had
Speaker 3: a question, I had to go through read books before
Speaker 3: he would answer a question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good.
Speaker 3: If I didn't know a word, he's like the dictionary
Speaker 3: right there. And I said, if I didn't know something historical,
Speaker 3: he's like I had a kid's encyclopedia, and and like
Speaker 3: a kid's Almanac to like they just had general ship
Speaker 3: in there that I would just pour over as a
Speaker 3: kid because I was just I was always very curious.
Speaker 3: And if I said, Yo, it's not in here and
Speaker 3: it's not in here, and it's not in here, then
Speaker 3: he's like, all right, So the reason they're unhoused people
Speaker 3: is because of Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 1: And I'm.
Speaker 3: Your encyclopedia wasn't going to tell you, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: going to say yeah, because it's capitalist trash. All right,
Speaker 3: I gotta go to my you know, my art meeting.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, that's great, and it kind of
Speaker 3: and it it it sort of gives you the natural
Speaker 3: desire to seek answers out without ever feeling like, well,
Speaker 3: there's a person that can tell me, and like you
Speaker 3: first rely on your own curiosity to like, you know,
Speaker 3: fulfill those needs. So shout out to that man for
Speaker 3: a very small thing, which it may have just been.
Speaker 3: It may have been laziness, like it may have been
Speaker 3: like you the dictionary right there, but there I was.
Speaker 5: I grew up with the same miles. I think we're
Speaker 5: in the same family. I was so annoyed. I would
Speaker 5: be like, God, damn it, the answer.
Speaker 3: Just give it to me.
Speaker 5: Man, I am the tired preteen with middle school homework.
Speaker 1: Tell me, did you ever get through did you ever
Speaker 1: get through the encyclopedia not find the thing you were
Speaker 1: looking for?
Speaker 3: And then your parent was like, I actually don't know,
Speaker 3: not that I can remember.
Speaker 5: I'd be too embarrassed to tell him. I would just
Speaker 5: make something up, make something up, or go ask someone
Speaker 5: at school.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah is it? I guess you probably can't
Speaker 1: do the same thing with like, all right, have you
Speaker 1: checked Wikipedia and have you checked dictionary dot com? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to go out and get the damn books.
Speaker 5: I mean, well, yeah, get the books. But like I
Speaker 5: tell my kids, and I tell young students, like you
Speaker 5: got a source stuff, man, you got to watch out
Speaker 5: their sources, and they teach they thankfully some schools are
Speaker 5: good enough to start teaching that, because the stuff that's
Speaker 5: out there is just awful. Yeah, gotta, the information is
Speaker 5: just garbage.
Speaker 3: There's just and because I mean, I get it's a dope,
Speaker 3: like we've we've never had more information at our fingertips,
Speaker 3: but there's also just like there's certain steps we miss
Speaker 3: and having all that information at our fingertips, like I
Speaker 3: have a friend who when they like you drive somewhere
Speaker 3: with their kids, like they say, Okay, let's get the
Speaker 3: map out. It's not just it's not just Google Maps,
Speaker 3: it's get them Let's get the fucking Thomas Guide out.
Speaker 3: And what's the street? Okay, you know how to find
Speaker 3: the street, and you know the number, so look in
Speaker 3: the back and find that block and then be like
Speaker 3: it's over here now and then booth. Now it's less
Speaker 3: about like just look at it, because you want to
Speaker 3: be able to be like, okay, now you know how
Speaker 3: to fuck with a map, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Thomas got I mean the Thomas Guy's probably too much.
Speaker 1: But like getting a map of Los Angeles, I guess
Speaker 1: those don't exist. You have to do Thomas Guide.
Speaker 3: You Well, the Thomas Guide is comprehensive, but obviously you
Speaker 3: could get like a you know, like a tourist full
Speaker 3: out paper map. You know that hotel lobby or some shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, I got a shopping list, yes I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was coming into but I got the
Speaker 1: Thomas Guide, got a history encyclopedia and a dictionary exactly
Speaker 1: that's what.
Speaker 4: I need to buy.
Speaker 3: You teach them, teach them.
Speaker 1: This episode brought to you by Dictionary.
Speaker 3: By Hoften Mifflin or how Mifflin, or you pronoun Webster.
Speaker 1: There you go. All right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we will come back and talk about this no
Speaker 1: fault divorce battle that the Republicans are trying to trying
Speaker 1: to get going.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back and we're back.
Speaker 1: And you would think that the Republicans would have seen
Speaker 1: how they're repealing of reproductive rights and human rights over
Speaker 1: the past few years has gone electorally for them, and
Speaker 1: that they would be having a long look in the mirror,
Speaker 1: having a nice think on like maybe this, maybe our
Speaker 1: job as elected officials is to reflect the will of
Speaker 1: the people and not to attack fifty percent at least
Speaker 1: of the population. But no, they're just they're doubling down.
Speaker 1: They're like, nah, it's the kids who are wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah and that.
Speaker 1: So this is this is a new one. You know,
Speaker 1: we've seen we've seen them come for reproductive rights, we've
Speaker 1: seen them come for the school boards and books, and
Speaker 1: we had seen like Justin Crowder, Stephen Crowder, one of
Speaker 1: those names, Stephen Crowder's talked about this like because he's
Speaker 1: getting a divorce and he's like Madge that his wife
Speaker 1: can divorce him for being an abusive alcohol Yeah, and
Speaker 1: but I didn't I didn't know that it was actually
Speaker 1: becoming like getting adopted into the platform.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Republican Party. It's it's bubbling up right now.
Speaker 3: Like if you take if you survey the take a
Speaker 3: sphere on the right. It's something that we've seen increasing
Speaker 3: like by the year. Like you know, it's always been
Speaker 3: this thing to like claw back the things that were
Speaker 3: one in the sexual Revolution. But you know, it's like
Speaker 3: with repealing row, they're like, Okay, we want to be
Speaker 3: like more in the sixties. That's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: Roger Ayles famously said Fox News is for people who
Speaker 3: live in nineteen sixty five, and now they are trying
Speaker 3: to take divorce laws and go back to basically I
Speaker 3: think eighteen fifty seven is about where they are going
Speaker 3: because they will not shut up about no fault divorce,
Speaker 3: like you said, Steven Crowder's talking about Matt Walsh talks
Speaker 3: about it, fucking jd Vance talks about it all the
Speaker 3: way to the State Party of Texas and Louisiana. And
Speaker 3: they want to basically end the right to divorce, or
Speaker 3: at least again take it to the nineteenth century, back
Speaker 3: when you know, husbands could divorce their wives solely based
Speaker 3: on adultery, but women had to prove additional aggravating circumstances.
Speaker 3: Like back then, it didn't matter if there was abuse
Speaker 3: of any kind or even desertion, it was considered insufficient
Speaker 3: to support a divorce. So no fault divorce laws came
Speaker 3: about in the early seventies, like and started slowly taking
Speaker 3: hold in different states, and it allowed countless women and
Speaker 3: some men the ability to basically divorce without having to
Speaker 3: prove misconduct by a spouse. And prior to that, we
Speaker 3: had some truly fucking backwards laws, like if you go
Speaker 3: back to like because a lot of this shit they again,
Speaker 3: they want to go back to like the times of
Speaker 3: the American colonies, where like a fucking divorce was decided
Speaker 3: by a governor or a colonial court. But like, the
Speaker 3: burden of proof was so fucking extreme that basically nobody
Speaker 3: was like, man, fuck this, I don't forget it, Like
Speaker 3: it's impossible to get fucking divorced. And there was this
Speaker 3: concept that women were bound by this law of the
Speaker 3: concept of coverture that meant quote, by marriage, the husband
Speaker 3: and wife are one person in the law. That is,
Speaker 3: the very being or legal existence of the woman is
Speaker 3: suspended during the marriage, or at least is incorporated and
Speaker 3: consolidated into that of the husband, under whose wing, protection
Speaker 3: and cover she performs everything. All the money, space, thing,
Speaker 3: every everything, like even the fucking clothes on your back. No,
Speaker 3: that is all part of the man that you are
Speaker 3: basically have been absorbed by. Even mothers lack basic parental
Speaker 3: rights like if a wife divorced or left a husband,
Speaker 3: she can not see your children again. And so basically,
Speaker 3: you know, there was a lot to say, man shit
Speaker 3: like I'm just I'm kind of stuck here. And then
Speaker 3: in the twentieth century, laws very sort of by state,
Speaker 3: including like the number of times a man could assault
Speaker 3: his wife before a divorce was even allowed. So essentially
Speaker 3: it just meant that a woman would be left with
Speaker 3: nothing if they decided they didn't want to stay with
Speaker 3: their spouse no matter what was going on. And the
Speaker 3: states that adopted no fault divorce laws in the twentieth
Speaker 3: century saw all kinds of benefits. Domestic violence rates began
Speaker 3: to drop, as did murder committed by intimate partners as
Speaker 3: well as female suicide rates, because now you're evening the
Speaker 3: scales here, bec someone's like, well, I'm not stuck, So
Speaker 3: what do you think about that? And now you know,
Speaker 3: with all that said, we still have these goons out
Speaker 3: here saying stuff like this, Matt Walsh quote, no fault
Speaker 3: divorce grants one person the ability to break the contract
Speaker 3: without the consent of the other. What kind of contract
Speaker 3: is that? This is what Crowder said. No fault divorce
Speaker 3: means that in many of these states, if a woman
Speaker 3: cheats on you, she leaves, she takes half. So it's
Speaker 3: not no fault, it's the fault of the man. And
Speaker 3: then he goes on to say, quote, if you're a
Speaker 3: woman that comes from meager means and you want to
Speaker 3: get wealthy, you've never worked, you didn't get it degree,
Speaker 3: you have no skill set, but you're good looking. Your
Speaker 3: best path to victory is simply to marry a man,
Speaker 3: leave him, and take half. This is the perspective that
Speaker 3: they're taking on the Texas gym, and I'm bringing up
Speaker 3: to where we are now. In twenty twenty two, the
Speaker 3: Texas GOP's official platform called for the state legislature to
Speaker 3: quote rescind unilateral no fault divorce laws and support covenant marriage.
Speaker 3: And when you look at the control the party has
Speaker 3: in that state, through all the branches, it seems in chambers,
Speaker 3: it seems like that's something they conceivably could pull off,
Speaker 3: especially when you consider that federal laws allow for state
Speaker 3: legislators to easily roll back a woman's ability to initiate
Speaker 3: divorce without spousal consent or proof of abuse, Like that's
Speaker 3: there's nothing protecting that. And again, it's just even more
Speaker 3: wild when you consider the fucking Nazis even allowed for
Speaker 3: no fault divorce right because they had a really fucked
Speaker 3: up thing. They're like, well, if it's not producing arians,
Speaker 3: then yeah, you got it dead. That like that was
Speaker 3: sort of like their view on it. But even then,
Speaker 3: and they were allowing for it. So again, this is
Speaker 3: like a huge fundamental right that people appreciate. That Again,
Speaker 3: I think the Republicans are maybe like, well, maybe this
Speaker 3: isn't as hot as reproductive rights, and people will be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that is unfair, but I'm not sure considering what the
Speaker 3: ability to be able to leave your spouse does for
Speaker 3: a marriage. And I know, Carmen, you were like I
Speaker 3: got listen, listen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys looked out twice today between the dense
Speaker 5: boobies and twice divorced. I was the first divorce, was
Speaker 5: before no fault was passed in New York. And the
Speaker 5: awful part was, you know, it was one of those
Speaker 5: starter marriages in your twenties. I didn't know what the
Speaker 5: fuck I was doing. That guy was upend day hole,
Speaker 5: but it was, you know, and we split. We were
Speaker 5: only together, married for maybe eight months, and then he
Speaker 5: went off and knocked up as secretary. But because of
Speaker 5: New York laws, I was living on my own and
Speaker 5: I could not divorce him. I had to file for
Speaker 5: abandoned mint had to prove that he abandoned me, and
Speaker 5: it couldn't. I couldn't even file for divorce until eighteen
Speaker 5: months living apart. So I'm married to this guy for
Speaker 5: a blip, right then I have to wait and the
Speaker 5: whole process took over two years, and I could not
Speaker 5: get married again. We had to file taxes together. It
Speaker 5: was awful, right, it's and ridiculous the second time, of course,
Speaker 5: very different. But I'll tell you this. My mother, when
Speaker 5: she got married back in the day with these laws,
Speaker 5: she ended up going to the Dominican for a quickie divorce,
Speaker 5: which if you know that that's what was done back
Speaker 5: in the day, is that if you had a dual
Speaker 5: citizenship or if you came from other country like you
Speaker 5: could go the Dominican was known still is. Actually there
Speaker 5: are some signs if you go to Washington, heats uptown
Speaker 5: to my Dominica Lana where you see and divorces. You
Speaker 5: go to another country and you go and you get
Speaker 5: granted a divorce as long as the two of you
Speaker 5: do it. But what kind of ridiculousness is this? I mean, look,
Speaker 5: these men like.
Speaker 2: To own people exactly.
Speaker 5: The history is of these men literally owning people and
Speaker 5: they own They want to own women, they own their children.
Speaker 5: They used to own all kinds of humans, right, So
Speaker 5: this is what they do. And because the more freedom
Speaker 5: that we have to make all these choices. You're also
Speaker 5: talking to the former vice chair of the Planned Parenthood Federation.
Speaker 5: That's devastating what's happened. But you've got to understand that
Speaker 5: we until we are seen as full human beings, this
Speaker 5: is not going to fly. They do not see us
Speaker 5: as full human beings and we do not have so
Speaker 5: we do not have the rights they want. They need
Speaker 5: us to be controlled. Also, though, can I tell you
Speaker 5: though coming from finances was my previous life, is that
Speaker 5: this is fueled by economics, absolutely fueled. Women now earn
Speaker 5: the most degrees, they're starting to make more money in
Speaker 5: the workplace, they're starting to take the jobs they want,
Speaker 5: all women, because even white women are their competition, not
Speaker 5: in the workforce, not earning their bucks, not competing in
Speaker 5: their space. So this is absolutely fueled by mon money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean when for the goblins on that side,
Speaker 3: like I get to basically take away this person's personhood
Speaker 3: because they are now me and also more dollars from
Speaker 3: you out there, So yeah, and I can lord that
Speaker 3: over them when I say what you're going to do.
Speaker 5: But it's only the weakest, you know, it's only the
Speaker 5: weakest man. Only the weakest would want to do such
Speaker 5: things for real mediocrity.
Speaker 1: Crowder guy is such a great like example because we've
Speaker 1: seen what he like. He tried to use his marriage
Speaker 1: as a form of imprisonment. Like we saw that video
Speaker 1: from inside his house where he was treating his wife
Speaker 1: like a servant. Yeah, you know that that is what
Speaker 1: he wants, is for the person he married to be
Speaker 1: his prisoner, who he can treat however he wants. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting that he, you know, once that person is
Speaker 1: like fuck this, like me like leaves him that he
Speaker 1: is like the spokesperson for.
Speaker 2: This is this is unacceptable.
Speaker 1: This is I'm being treated unfairly because this person has
Speaker 1: their own personhood that they want to exercise and their
Speaker 1: own astronomy.
Speaker 5: Baby my baby maker have her own life, how dear.
Speaker 5: And it's authoritarianism like to the core. That's who they follow,
Speaker 5: that's who they emulate, that's how they run their lives.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, except for the Nazis in this case,
Speaker 3: like they're like, well, well, let's.
Speaker 5: Not give them any points. No, no, I'm very popular.
Speaker 3: So it's just funny to me that like even there,
Speaker 3: even in their very like eugenics based concept of like
Speaker 3: a union, they were like, well, I mean, people.
Speaker 5: It's either that or multiple wives. What are they gonna do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like mixed race couples, you know, or a
Speaker 3: couple where they can't have kids, and like that's you
Speaker 3: will not win the cross of the Third Reich if
Speaker 3: you do not have three children or more. But like
Speaker 3: with Steven Crowder. It's really interesting too, because he's always
Speaker 3: talking about how like he's so he's always into these
Speaker 3: traditional gender roles. He's like, men are pretty much like
Speaker 3: the father is actually pretty much useless if you consider
Speaker 3: because the woman's space is to raise those children. This guy, meanwhile,
Speaker 3: he was demanding full custody of his twins even though
Speaker 3: that was like that's his like main take as like
Speaker 3: a person.
Speaker 5: Being yea, actually want those children want to harm her.
Speaker 5: He's going to get another, He's gonna get another, you know,
Speaker 5: baby maker, and then they're going to buy into the
Speaker 5: whole thing. And which some women do because they think
Speaker 5: that they're different. They think that they'll be cared for
Speaker 5: and that somehow it benefits them. But yeah, until it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see if if this gets a little
Speaker 3: bit more, becomes a little more mainstream. But on the fringes,
Speaker 3: it's becoming it's just getting a little bit louder by
Speaker 3: the second, and we see how that typically happens with Republicans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to then become to adapt the fringiest, most extremist
Speaker 1: views from yeah like talk radio, Like that's how Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: you know, prepared for his twenty sixteen run by just
Speaker 1: like mainlining AM radio talking points like rush limbos shit
Speaker 1: and like the people who call in. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: Crowder thing is is interesting that like his he's like,
Speaker 1: if you're a woman that comes from meager means you
Speaker 1: want to get wealthy, Like it's right. The only thing
Speaker 1: that he can imagine a woman or that he wants
Speaker 1: to imagine a woman having the ability to do is
Speaker 1: like trap a man. Like, yes, that that's all he
Speaker 1: can imagine for his partner her, and so that that's
Speaker 1: how he kind of speaks about the danger. But of course,
Speaker 1: like you said, Carmen, very very astutely, like the the
Speaker 1: thing that actually scares them is the unspoken thing that
Speaker 1: women are smarter and better at their jobs than them
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 4: No must not pass.
Speaker 3: So it must not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also used to write columns to producer victors, pointing
Speaker 1: out he also used to write columns about how he
Speaker 1: did marriage the right way and like, yeah.
Speaker 3: By not being present when your wife is having IVF treatments,
Speaker 3: that is that is that how because that's what he did,
Speaker 3: and not being there for the birth of his own kids.
Speaker 1: That he was getting a procedure to make his chests
Speaker 1: look stronger when his wife was giving birth.
Speaker 3: Allegedly, allegedly allegedly, but yeah, he yeah.
Speaker 5: Do you think that they know though, these guys, like,
Speaker 5: do you think underneath all this, because this is all
Speaker 5: just like such raging rabit insecurity, do you think they
Speaker 5: like know that they're just really really lame and that's
Speaker 5: why they have to just control uh, you know, other genders,
Speaker 5: like like it's just so blatantly like dude, you're so dumb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just so dumb. Like I think it's like
Speaker 3: it's I think it's like a truth they don't want
Speaker 3: to acknowledge, so they just want to have like the
Speaker 3: laws reflect the reality that they want because rather than
Speaker 3: being like, yo, man, I'm actually really I'm a small
Speaker 3: human being. Who I'm tiny, They're like, nah, man, it's
Speaker 3: these laws. Like it's just that they maybe see it
Speaker 3: for a second and then they go to, no, it's
Speaker 3: these laws, man, it ain't meat.
Speaker 1: It's not meat.
Speaker 2: Look at all this stuff.
Speaker 5: I have women's rights and diversity.
Speaker 3: And some people are fully grifting, but I think for
Speaker 3: the most part it is just you know, projection. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think people are generally like smarter than we give
Speaker 3: them credit for. In large like over all, but also
Speaker 3: better at self deception than we give them credit for.
Speaker 3: So I think I think he's able to keep that
Speaker 3: nice and buried, just very very cozy in there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: back to talk about Biden and labor and other fun stuff.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, and we're.
Speaker 1: Back, and Joe Biden is about to become the first
Speaker 1: sitting US president to appear on a picket line, walking
Speaker 1: the line with the striking United Auto Workers in Michigan
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. It feels a bit more like a campaign
Speaker 1: maneuver than anything else, because you know, as we talked about,
Speaker 1: like so we've been saying for the past couple of
Speaker 1: weeks on this show, like it's just sitting there, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: labor is popular right now, Like people are, the workers
Speaker 1: have support, workers are exercising power, and they are showing
Speaker 1: that when workers can come together and exercise power, they
Speaker 1: get things done that are good, that is good for
Speaker 1: everybody except the wealthy. And so it's a moment where
Speaker 1: it's just sitting there, but neither party seems to want
Speaker 1: to do anything about it, because there is the secret
Speaker 1: it Like if you're just reading the mainstream media accounts
Speaker 1: of it, it seems it's like, wait, this is confusing,
Speaker 1: like that they say they're behind this, but they're like
Speaker 1: not doing anything to be behind it. Why is that?
Speaker 1: And it's because they ultimately, in a lot of cases
Speaker 1: answer to the corporations that these folks are striking against,
Speaker 1: and that's where a lot of the money comes from.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of that's who exercises a lot of
Speaker 1: power in politics. Right. So it is I think a
Speaker 1: big step forward that the sitting US president is doing
Speaker 1: something unprecedented. Trump is expected to show up in Michigan
Speaker 1: on Wednesday to wait. We're not sure what he's going
Speaker 1: to say aka Riff or you know, what his Trump
Speaker 1: Jazz performance is going to contain, but there is a chance,
Speaker 1: you know, like I feel like they are playing chess
Speaker 1: around or checkers around this idea of like labor is
Speaker 1: really popular right now and somebody is going to seize
Speaker 1: on that, and we have a big election company up right,
Speaker 1: So unpresident announcement. Historians have pointed out presidents have typically
Speaker 1: seen themselves more as mediators and avoided direct participation in strikes,
Speaker 1: unless it is sending a machine gun train to shoot
Speaker 1: at striking workers in West Virginia. But you know, on
Speaker 1: the other hand, By is trying to throw a support
Speaker 1: behind the union while not specifically supporting any of their demands.
Speaker 1: Baby steps, baby steps, It's just gestures here right and
Speaker 1: I'm here, are ye, Come on, j I'm here right,
Speaker 1: come on. Sean Fain, the u a W President, seems
Speaker 1: to be playing his hand really well. He's like, we're
Speaker 1: not going to endorse anyone without like significant support from
Speaker 1: that politician. Right. You know, our endorsement doesn't come for free.
Speaker 1: You know, I have like like big d Democrat friends
Speaker 1: who are like, this is more evidence, like Biden is
Speaker 1: the most pro union president in a long time, which
Speaker 1: is not saying much because it's been a extremely hostile
Speaker 1: string of presidencies for unions. But I do think, like
Speaker 1: the one thing I will say that like is encouraging
Speaker 1: about the story is it's really evidence that unions and
Speaker 1: organized labor are the most ascendant force in politics right now,
Speaker 1: like they You cannot ignore that there are more people unionizing,
Speaker 1: there's more support for unions. We are seeing high profile
Speaker 1: wins for unions for labor action, and you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think Biden would be doing this if Trump didn't
Speaker 1: have a speech scheduled in Detroit. But you know, I
Speaker 1: don't think Trump would have a speech scheduled in Detroit
Speaker 1: if it weren't for the fact that, like, there is
Speaker 1: a lot of energy right now and a lot of
Speaker 1: public support for labor, and it's really just a matter
Speaker 1: of like who is going to have the courage to
Speaker 1: actually support them and you know, actually actually support them
Speaker 1: and not just you know, do a photo op with them.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's because Biden's uniquely leftists. I
Speaker 1: think this is because leftism is winning approval and winning
Speaker 1: support because people, like I said, I don't think people
Speaker 1: are dumb. I think people have been living in this
Speaker 1: these circumstances for long enough to be like, it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like this current neolib order of like let the
Speaker 1: corporations handle it, let the market handle it, is working, like,
Speaker 1: so let's try something else out. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: it's very popular, and I think they're slowly coming around
Speaker 1: to that. I just hope that they're able to come
Speaker 1: around to it in a way that involves actual legislation
Speaker 1: and actual political power instead of just photo ops, which
Speaker 1: is all that it has been up to this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think the words from the White House
Speaker 3: aren't very encouraging in that sense, because Biden was like,
Speaker 3: I want this to be a win win negotiation. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the fucking co corporate They don't need to fucking
Speaker 3: would they been winning? What the fuck are you talking about.
Speaker 3: It's been win lose forever and now it could just
Speaker 3: be win and make less billions of dollars for the
Speaker 3: other side. I don't think that you would categorize that
Speaker 3: as a loss. But I do want to play this
Speaker 3: clip of Karine Jean Pierre, who you know, was that's
Speaker 3: pretty directly like, what's the deal here? Is that he's
Speaker 3: going there? But is he taking sides?
Speaker 1: Can you clear this up?
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 1: Some past presidents have been an arbiter between two sides
Speaker 1: that are in conflict. It seems like by going to
Speaker 1: the picket line, he's not an arbiter between the two sides.
Speaker 3: He's choosing a side by staying.
Speaker 6: Like we have said, we have said over and over
Speaker 6: again that this is the president that stands with union workers.
Speaker 3: This is That's why it's confusing, where I think it
Speaker 3: only means he literally stands with you during photo ops. Yeah,
Speaker 3: outside of that, I mean, hold On continues, We're not
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 1: Talk about I disagree.
Speaker 6: It is not confusing what he is saying. And we've
Speaker 6: been very clear he stands with union workers. He stands
Speaker 6: with the workers. He has said, and they have said
Speaker 6: he is the most pro union president in history, and
Speaker 6: that is what he's doing. He is going to stand
Speaker 6: in solidarity at the picket line with the workers. Now
Speaker 6: they are at the table. They are at the table
Speaker 6: trying to figure out what this agreement is going to
Speaker 6: look like. Right, they are going to decide the specifics
Speaker 6: of that agreement. What the president is saying is and
Speaker 6: he always says this is nothing new. He always says
Speaker 6: he stands by union workers and he is going to
Speaker 6: stand with the men and the women of UAW.
Speaker 3: But you know, in terms of their demands, I know,
Speaker 3: comment on what they want, Yeah, but I will stand
Speaker 3: here with them. And I think that's really like to
Speaker 3: your point, Jack, it's like, whoever just fucking crosses the
Speaker 3: threshold into full throated support for workers rights and better
Speaker 3: pay and shit like that, It's gonna fucking go over
Speaker 3: pretty well with most people. Because again, like you said,
Speaker 3: a lot of people are tapped into how rampant the
Speaker 3: inequality is in this country and how much CEOs are
Speaker 3: just hoarding wealth and keeping that wealth away from families,
Speaker 3: from everybody. So it's just like, come the fuck on,
Speaker 3: Like it'd be so easy. But again that the way
Speaker 3: the system is set up, it's not always easy for
Speaker 3: a president to be like, yeah, I mean, I'm all
Speaker 3: about worker rights, and then you know, the big donors
Speaker 3: coming be like, well, hold on, man, what the fuck
Speaker 3: was that?
Speaker 5: We don't kind of pop in with the little tidbit
Speaker 5: of this. This is useful because unlike the other strikes right,
Speaker 5: like the Hollywood strikes, this with the auto industry, don't
Speaker 5: forget that we taxpayers bailed out and I think many
Speaker 5: of us remember that they were going to go under.
Speaker 5: The government bailed out the auto workers. And the trouble
Speaker 5: is is that now if their profits and their CEOs
Speaker 5: are making forty one percent more and everyone else, you know, everything,
Speaker 5: no one's sharing in any of that. I think it's
Speaker 5: even more clear. And let's remember like optics are sometimes everything. Like,
Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of people will remember necessarily
Speaker 5: what people say a lot of these policis say, but
Speaker 5: they will remember seeing what they see. They see him there,
Speaker 5: they see him supporting. But to your point, both of you,
Speaker 5: let me tell you labor right now, you know, look
Speaker 5: at what's happening with with settling the actors and writers
Speaker 5: and all that. Now we've got video games, we've got hotels,
Speaker 5: we've got airlines, we've got it. Is that time, and
Speaker 5: it's about freaking time, because you got it. You got
Speaker 5: a geezer gen xer here with you who can tell
Speaker 5: you that I bought my first home when a dual
Speaker 5: income the home was only twice as much as the
Speaker 5: dual income, right, and that same place. Now, if if
Speaker 5: we were to buy it at the same income level,
Speaker 5: completely out of reach, absolutely stratospheric. And that's never been
Speaker 5: the way in this country ever. So this is a
Speaker 5: whole new space we're in and something's got to give.
Speaker 2: Private equity baby.
Speaker 3: Monstrous.
Speaker 1: Yeah they just bought, they're just buying all that monstrous.
Speaker 3: Hey you can rent them from us though, Yeah cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand, like your home ownership can kind
Speaker 1: of be like a gig economy, yeah type deal, and
Speaker 1: we think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what if we carved up this six bedroom place
Speaker 3: into a place where forty people could live for an
Speaker 3: even smaller amount.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that?
Speaker 3: Does that seems something all are intom think about it?
Speaker 2: Think about it.
Speaker 1: I will say like Biden has argued that the auto
Speaker 1: companies have not yet gone far enough to satisfy the union, Like, which.
Speaker 5: Is that's very basic.
Speaker 1: That's like being like and I see that you are
Speaker 1: standing far apart from one another, and but but too,
Speaker 1: like that is kind of picking sides. That does feel
Speaker 1: for sure big. So this is what it would take, though,
Speaker 1: like it would take a politician. I think Trump could
Speaker 1: do it and just like be full pro union, and
Speaker 1: the media would just be like, oh shit, like he's
Speaker 1: going with his like white collar or blue collar supporters,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't for a Democrat to do it, I
Speaker 1: think there would be an immediate backlash across the mainstream media,
Speaker 1: the question of like, well, he's picking sides and this
Speaker 1: is socialism. And I think it would require a president
Speaker 1: to have the courage of their convictions to be like, yes,
Speaker 1: that's going to be very unpopular with the people who
Speaker 1: I spend all of my time talking to the media
Speaker 1: and business leaders and you know, industry leaders, like it's
Speaker 1: going to be they are going to act like I
Speaker 1: have just torn up the Constitution and taking taken a
Speaker 1: shit on it, but it's going to be popular with
Speaker 1: the humans who actually vote in elections. Yeah, and like
Speaker 1: that it feels I don't know, it feels like there's
Speaker 1: we're we're going to be keep moving in the direction
Speaker 1: where like that wager is going to need to happen
Speaker 1: for a politician, I just don't I don't know who's who,
Speaker 1: like what the circumstances they are going to be for
Speaker 1: them to finally like kind of make come to that realization,
Speaker 1: you know, because they their democratic strategists are not going
Speaker 1: to tell them that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna be Yeah. I mean it's funny, like
Speaker 3: I wish Joe Biden could be like, look, I don't
Speaker 3: like I helped, I helped y'all out. I was there
Speaker 3: when we're there, We American people were there.
Speaker 1: I was there, man.
Speaker 3: Now just come on now fuck work with them a
Speaker 3: little bit. But no, it's not going to be like that.
Speaker 3: And again, yeah, it is true how quickly a lot
Speaker 3: of the mainstream coverage memory holes, how how much taxpayers
Speaker 3: gave to prop up these companies and again, like to
Speaker 3: your point, Carmen, they're like, yeah, ceope, went up forty percent,
Speaker 3: forty one percent. They're asking for a forty percent raise
Speaker 3: in a thirty two hour work week. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just a little bit. It's just a
Speaker 3: bridge too far. And I feel like you'd see some
Speaker 3: coverage that would be a little bit more like emphasizing
Speaker 3: how much it would improve the lives. Like it's always
Speaker 3: just like, this is what they want, this is what
Speaker 3: they want.
Speaker 5: Fact, take all the take the coverage with so much salt,
Speaker 5: because right now we're operating you know, I was in
Speaker 5: journalism for twenty years. We are operating in a space
Speaker 5: that is so corrupted and so much in trouble. I mean,
Speaker 5: think about it. The both sides ism, it's not both sides.
Speaker 5: Both sides should be about what's moral and what's not,
Speaker 5: and instead it's what's right and what's left. And the
Speaker 5: problem is you cannot weigh these two things on the
Speaker 5: same scale at all. But the media is doing this
Speaker 5: because don't forget who owns it, now runs it, who
Speaker 5: profits from it. So we are at a really horrid time.
Speaker 5: And my best advice to people is we really want
Speaker 5: to see some unbuyased stuff. Read media from outside of
Speaker 5: this country. Yeah, we're talking BBC. If you read in Espanola,
Speaker 5: any Mexican paper, you know, anything outside of this country,
Speaker 5: we'll tell you what's going on here more than our own.
Speaker 1: Stuff, for sure, Just just for context. The other side
Speaker 1: of this upcoming election is like talking about assassinating generals.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my mother fled this, fled this in her country.
Speaker 3: Like give me a break.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's do a quick one on Chevy
Speaker 1: Chase trending, because he went on w t F and
Speaker 1: made it very clear to everyone why Steve, Martin and
Speaker 1: Martin short were like three Amigos reunion.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, maybe not, Maybe we.
Speaker 1: Bring in Selena Gomez instead of Chevy.
Speaker 3: Chase because wait, was that was that original? Like was
Speaker 3: that kind of a thing that I don't know?
Speaker 1: It's two of the three amigos, Yeah, and Selena Gomez.
Speaker 3: Selena Gomez, I think a better one.
Speaker 1: Oh no, they made they made the right decision for
Speaker 1: sure on that. But anyways, he claimed that he left
Speaker 1: Community because the show wasn't funny enough for me. Says
Speaker 1: a guy who like I'm pretty sure, like I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him do or say anything funny in since I
Speaker 1: was like seven, I would say since before I was born. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's been a long I mean, funny Farm. I
Speaker 1: probably have to rewatch it. But when I was a child,
Speaker 1: that movie was funny to me. National Lampoons, Christmas Vacation,
Speaker 1: I again, I have to rewatch it, but funny.
Speaker 3: I don't know. To be honest, I don't I need
Speaker 3: some more time with this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but since then it's been a pretty sleep
Speaker 1: steep slide for my man. Speaking of the scene in
Speaker 1: National Lampoons.
Speaker 3: It's it's rich that he's doing like a Trump thing
Speaker 3: when we know why he was fucking ousted from the
Speaker 3: show and be like it actually just wasn't funny enough
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Trump, they didn't get my sense of humor.
Speaker 5: He's not well liked.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The actual reason he left was because he said
Speaker 1: the N word while going on a rant about his
Speaker 1: displeasure with the show's writing, and the network was like
Speaker 1: a and he was like, should I leave?
Speaker 2: And they were like yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, yeah, well we both think I
Speaker 1: should leave, I guess, And that's how it ended. Did
Speaker 1: not end because he didn't think they were funny. Or
Speaker 1: had like some high minded ideas about the direction of
Speaker 1: the show, or if he did, the way he expressed
Speaker 1: those was through racial slurs.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the hallmark of any great comedic mind.
Speaker 3: I guess, yes, it's wild though, yeah, like it's just
Speaker 3: it was. There wasn't a single story that came out
Speaker 3: like around this time that made chevy Chase look good.
Speaker 3: I remember, like the second hand I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: this guy's a piece of shit. Huh okay, okay, good
Speaker 3: fucking riddance. And it felt like for a while like
Speaker 3: that show almost was bringing him back, like you know
Speaker 3: where it's like, oh you get this like goofy old
Speaker 3: man stick back from Chevy Chase, the thing that he'd like,
Speaker 3: the one thing he kind of does well, and then
Speaker 3: turns out he just gotta get angry and using like
Speaker 3: he used another racial slur in another rant, although it
Speaker 3: wasn't be specific enough at least reporting, we didn't know
Speaker 3: which one it was, but we do know it wasn't
Speaker 3: used to address someone in the cast, which like, oh,
Speaker 3: so that's better.
Speaker 5: And he also didn't he say also to those just
Speaker 5: that like or some of the assumption was with that
Speaker 5: interview that Basically they weren't, you know, bowing to him
Speaker 5: and worshiping him just like comedic, you know whatever. The
Speaker 5: man was not well liked since it's snl days, Like,
Speaker 5: people did not like him as a human being. He's
Speaker 5: known as a jerk, so.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, Yeah, Bill Mary called him a medium talent
Speaker 1: and it was so true that Chevy Case like physically
Speaker 1: attacked him. He was like, that is absolutely devastating.
Speaker 5: The more defensive you get, the more the statement.
Speaker 7: The specificity of calling him the medium, like not no talent,
Speaker 7: but just like, hey, I'm gonna be honest with you, man,
Speaker 7: you are a C minus.
Speaker 3: Like maybe I saw you in the dress rehearsal man,
Speaker 3: that shis mid bro totally And when you.
Speaker 1: Go back and watch those early episodes, guess whose ship
Speaker 1: doesn't hold up right?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, m m hmm mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Well, Carmen truly a pleasure. By the way, the funniest
Speaker 1: thing he's done was in community, where he was saying
Speaker 1: lines that he fought against the entire way, like every
Speaker 1: single delivering, yes, delivery. Now you guys are man, this
Speaker 1: is such a pleasure having you. Where where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you, read you, hearing you see you.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, go to my Instagram, car me along,
Speaker 5: same as the website. Get the book there and get
Speaker 5: the paperback, get it in Espanol. It's got pictures. Get
Speaker 5: it and do all those things and slip me a note.
Speaker 5: Next book coming and a year and a half, so
Speaker 5: stay t.
Speaker 3: Sh Okay, there you go. Well we'll make sure we
Speaker 3: have you back before that. I don't want to. We
Speaker 3: don't need to wait that long to have a thank
Speaker 3: you our dub appearance on here.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: Is there a work at media?
Speaker 1: You've been enjoying a work of media?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I love the changelingk have you seen that?
Speaker 3: Oh the new new version? Yeah yeah, No I haven't
Speaker 3: seen it, but I know that it's out.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: I've been rocking horror lately, So like this is weird
Speaker 5: because I left Horror a long time ago. I was
Speaker 5: a kid that loved like Nightmare on Elm Street. I
Speaker 5: was that gory wave and then I was just like no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I'm too scared. Life is too crazy blah blah. And
Speaker 5: now that we've come through stuff, now all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: all I want to see is whre like I watched
Speaker 5: Talk to Me the other night. I scared the out
Speaker 5: of myself. I did not slip. Did you see that? No,
Speaker 5: what horror right now is do is fabulous. To all
Speaker 5: people who have been like worried about watching horror, we
Speaker 5: are living in the prime state of horror media. Go
Speaker 5: and enjoy it. Just know that, like, I'm not responsible
Speaker 5: for your lack of sleep and palpitations.
Speaker 1: Miles, where can people find you as their workimedia you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, find me on Twitter formerly known as x and
Speaker 3: Instagram at Miles of Gray wherever you do that, or
Speaker 3: you know any app based app. And also find us
Speaker 3: on the basketball podcast Miles and Jackott Matt Boost. He's
Speaker 3: the ninety day Fiance podcast. I got four to twenty
Speaker 3: day Fiance and the Good Thief. Check that out. It's
Speaker 3: a true crime thing. It's only eight episodes, Binge that
Speaker 3: we're talking about the real Greek Robin Hood who was
Speaker 3: escaped from the like Alcatraz Greek Alcatraz equivalent twice by helicopter.
Speaker 3: That's how out here this guy was and to this
Speaker 3: day still the show's all about looking for him and
Speaker 3: seeing where he's at. A tweet I like, it's from
Speaker 3: at Eric Enigma and it's a quote tweet. The first
Speaker 3: tweets is from another person, Shorty call me a narcissist.
Speaker 3: So I googled the definition and it sounded like a
Speaker 3: real one to me. And then then they said, all right,
Speaker 3: this might be more. All right, this might be boy
Speaker 3: math lo boy math.
Speaker 2: Tweets I've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: Note. Garfinckel tweeted famous comedian eating a sandwich, you can't
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich anymore. And Rosie at Roora Amden tweeted,
Speaker 1: low key sees him and unhanded me. We're huge for
Speaker 1: the English language, and it was just a reminder that
Speaker 1: I need to incorporate those two phrases more into my
Speaker 1: day to day usage of the English language.
Speaker 3: Yeah me, and you proof with yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
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Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnote where we link
Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,
Speaker 1: is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's a There was a Kenny Beats album
Speaker 3: that came out last year. There's a track on there
Speaker 3: called Rotten and it's just like a nice you know,
Speaker 3: just get the New York vibes and the here with
Speaker 3: Carmen just you know, it feels like old school Golden
Speaker 3: Age sort of New York boom bath instrumental. It's called
Speaker 3: Rotten by Kenny Beats. So check that out. It's on Spotify.
Speaker 3: In it and uh yeah, no to that one.
Speaker 1: There you go.
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