1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Joe with Lamar Arings and Rady Winn and Jonas Knox 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: on Fox four Radio. 4 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: You know, we come with a good news to start 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: off here. Now, Jeff, We've done radio for quite a while, 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: and so I've gotten to know you over the years, 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: and I'm ninety nine point nine percent sure that you 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: are not a New York Knicks fan. Is that correct? 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: Do I? 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 3: I'm not a New York Knicks fan. That's correct. 11 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you're in luck this morning, because if you were, 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: I would have some bad news for you. Oh no, yeah. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: The bad news I would have for you if you 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: were a Knicks fan is that your team, who hadn't 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: been to the Eastern Conference Finals in a quarter of 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: a century. Though they fired Tom Thibodeaux, they kicked him 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: to the curb. Then they had the oddest coaching search 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: probably of all time, and then they ended up officially 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: hiring Mike Brown on Monday as new head coach. I 20 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: would anticipate you, as a diehard Knicks fan, would not 21 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: be elated with any of these things that went down. 22 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: But that's exactly what went down with the Knicks and 23 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: here they are with Mike Brown and what is his 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: what fifth job? He's been fired numerous times and yet 25 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: the Knicks, man, this is the thing, Jeff. The statement 26 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: they put out. This is their president, Leon Rose. He 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: put out this statement just maybe it's me, maybe I'm 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: too critical here, but to me, this is just reeks 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: of desperation. This reeks of like the kids would say, 30 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: being thirsty. 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: You know. 32 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: So this is Leon Rose. The statement he put out 33 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: after a thorough and extensive search process. That is a 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: very positive way to describe it. We are pleased to 35 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: announce Mike Brown as the head coach of the New 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: York Knicks. Mike has coached on the biggest stages in 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: our sport and bring championship pedigree to our organization. That's 38 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: part of the statement from Leon Rose. Now here's the thing, Jeff. 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 2: But he got canned left and right as a head coach. Yes, 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: he was an assistant coach with the Warriors and the Spurs, 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: and he has multiple championships as an assistant coach. But 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: it's like, if you're the Knicks, that's what you're clinging 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: on to. I know that you want to get there 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: and you want to reach the promised land and win 45 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: a championship. But this is what you're banking on is 46 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: Mike Brown as an assistant coach under Steve Kerr under Popovich, 47 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: and he's winning titles with the Warriors with like KD 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: and Company. You think that's Mike Brown. His fingerprints are 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: all over those titles. Do you think they don't win 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: titles without Mike Brown? 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: Like? 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: What are we doing here? I think it's just such 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 2: desperate thinking where you're just trying to shoehorn success into 54 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: your own building. And this is how you're trying to 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: do it. 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: So when good morning, first of all, good morning Schwartzna 57 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: kid might be might I might lose a sport? By 58 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: the way, this is the kid might be might be 59 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 3: over the w will find out okay with with the 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: under with an under an eleven thirty game today? Yeah? 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when. 62 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 3: When I look in my personal life to upgrade something 63 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: right or get rid of something like I'm actually right 64 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: now looking at some kitchen utensils I mentioned yesterday, and 65 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: my kids are at camp for a month, so you 66 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: have to find something to do, and I'm going to 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: turn to cooking because I'm fat and I like to 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 3: eat and I'm going to upgrade semi kitchen utensils, and 69 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: I take a while to find to get rid of 70 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: something that I have and find something new. And the 71 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: goal when I when I just find in my own 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: personal life, just in just kitchen utensils. Right, I think 73 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: that's the way we all operate is you want to 74 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 3: find an upgrade. So if I fire a kitchen tool, 75 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: I want to find a better kick to Right, I 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: spent a couple of days Today's Prime Day or whatever 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: for a couple I'm gonna I'm gonna scour the internet 78 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: today and look for products to upgrade my kitchen supply. 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: But I go into it knowing that I have to 80 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 3: upgrade the product i'm finding, Like a knife, let's say, 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 3: for example, and I know going into it, if I fire 82 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: my current knife, I'm gonna try to find a better knife. Okay, Sure, 83 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 3: that's the way hiring and firing for head coaches should 84 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 3: happen in all sports leagues. Right, you fire coach, you 85 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: upgrade to the next coach. But before you fire that coach, 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: you do the background checks. The background work, you call 87 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 3: agents to see who's available to upgrade that coach. Right, 88 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: The Knicks apparently did none of this. They rush to 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: fire Tom Thibodeau, who may look I buy the argument 90 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 3: that maybe his message had gone stale. Right, he's a grinder. 91 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: He works his guys too hard, you know, after after 92 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: he feels like a guy though that it rightfully makes 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: sense after five years, I believe that, Like they're like, 94 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: you know what, too much grinding, right, too much? We're 95 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 3: moving on. But again, Brian, moving on to what to what? 96 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: You have to have a plan. It's just what incompetent 97 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: teams do. They fire out of emotion, out of in 98 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 3: the moment anger that you didn't be Indiana. Indiana, by 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 3: the way, did the same thing to Boston, did the 100 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 3: same thing to Cleveland. Cavaliers, did the same thing the Knicks. 101 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 3: It didn't matter who they played. They almost did it, 102 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 3: by the way to Oklahoma City thunder. If Hallyburn doesn't 103 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: get hurt, so they you fired him out of emotion 104 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: without a plan, and then you go try to trade 105 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 3: for Jason Kidd. You know, these these things they are 106 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: just so silly to me, Like you're not you should 107 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: have called Jason k beforehand. Hey, do you want to 108 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: come to us first of all? Too? Hey, Mavericks ownership. 109 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: Would you trade your coach like you can do all 110 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 3: these things behind the scenes and then figure out a plan. 111 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: They had no plan. They by the way, my Lakers 112 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: are the same thing before the higher JJ Rennick. They 113 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: trying to get Dan Hurley, which wasn't plan at least, right, 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: at least I'll give you. I'll give you that, Brian. 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: They at least had a plan, right, But they look silly. 116 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 3: The Nicks looks silly here. Mike Brown is not any 117 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: better than Tom Thibodeau. There's just there's just he's not 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: He's not any better, and maybe he's nicer, and maybe 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: he's not as as cruel to playing time as you know, 120 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: there are things that that I think you might look 121 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: at and say to yourself, Okay, well there's some upgrades here, 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: just personality wise. But when you fire Tom Thibodeau, your 123 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: job is to find someone better. And at best it's 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: a lateral movement. Yeah, and it is a weeks of 125 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: competence from the front. 126 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 5: Ill. 127 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: What's you no surprise, But that's that's what we're right 128 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: right now. 129 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, is the first part of that 130 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: statement from Leon Rose. After a thorough and extensive search process. 131 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: That is the happiest description that you could come up with. 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: It was an embarrassing joke of a process to try 133 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: to find the next head coach where they're literally calling 134 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: up teams, almost like the old school Yellow Pages, you know, like, hey, 135 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: call up the Bulls and see if Billy Donovan's available. Nope, Nope, 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: they won't allow him to interview with us. It was 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 2: just a joke that Quinn Snyder with the the Atlanta Hawks, 138 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 2: and it was just such a weird search. Like you said, 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: a lot of things could have been done behind the scene, 140 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: behind the scenes, and they didn't do that. They just 141 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: played out in front of everybody. And they look like 142 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: a Mickey Mouse organization. And you're a big I know 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: this about you too. You're big about process. You know, 144 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: when it comes to say sports petting, if your process 145 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: is good, sometimes you get a bad result, you get 146 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: a fluky result. But if you stay true to your 147 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: process and it's good, eventually the wins will come your way. 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: Big process guy. It's the same thing with the coaching search. 149 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 2: The process for the Knicks to try to find their 150 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: coach was just a calamity. It's like, you know, if 151 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: you're at the poker table. You know, you will sometimes 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: win some hands even though your process was bad. You 153 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: might just luck out. And that's the best case scenario 154 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: for the Knicks. Their process was terrible. They I don't know, 155 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: they went all in with a mediocre starting hand. By 156 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: the way, our producer Justin Cooper, while we're talking about poker, 157 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: he will have a story of a strong finish in 158 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: a Vegas poker tournament later this hour. 159 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait. Yesterday he was he was in round. 160 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 3: It was a second second day. 161 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a couple off. He hasn't many different tournaments, right, 162 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: but one of the finished fantastic. Yeah, but it'd be 163 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 2: like going all in with like seven ten this weird 164 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: mediocre hand, Like, yeah, maybe you were aggressive pre flop, 165 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: you just you didn't hit anything on the flop, nothing 166 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 2: on the turn. You're still just firing away. It's like, 167 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: that's not a great process and somehow you're expecting or 168 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: hoping to wiggle out of that. That's really where the 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: Knicks are. It's just and at the end of the day, 170 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: I don't see how ending on Mike Brown is benefiting 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: you in any way. This is like you firing all 172 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 2: of your kitchen utensils and replacing them with worse kitchen 173 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: kitchen utensils. It's just not benefiting you in any way. 174 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: It's not. And this is why the Knicks are going 175 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: to be the Knicks. And this is a year, by 176 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: the way, where you know, it's it's a it's a 177 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 3: great year to try to do something special in right 178 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 3: in in in in that in that in uh in 179 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: the Eastern Conference, because the Celtics have punted on the 180 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: season right with Ten's injury in their moves, we know, 181 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: uh that Indiana is basically not punted. But there they 182 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: announced i think last night yesterday, Hollybird's out for the season. 183 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: They're just like, he's done, out for the season. We're 184 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 3: not even a rushing back, which is which I think 185 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 3: is actually a very positive sign for a pro sports franchise. 186 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 3: Just understand that that he's he's our guy. Rushing him 187 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: back makes no sense to say he's out for the season. 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: Give him a full look. It maybe comes back to 189 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 3: play the last two weeks of the year. Brian, it's 190 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: certainly possible, right, who knows, but like he's just not 191 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: just don't don't don't bet on it, right and and 192 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: so this is a year in the Eastern Conference where, 193 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: like you know, there are teams that got better. I 194 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: think Atlanta got better, of course, about Orlando, but you 195 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 3: know those I don't think they're not really Easter Rovert's 196 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: Finals winners. The Cow's gonna be good again. But the 197 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 3: Nick's had like of a real chance. But yeah, they do. 198 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: I don't know if this coaching change is really going 199 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 3: to make a difference in giving them that chance. 200 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's the other interesting thing to me is I 201 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: think coaching in today's day and age, certainly in the NBA, 202 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 2: you have to have one of two things going for you, right. 203 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: You either have to have management really like you, or 204 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 2: you have to have the players really like you. But 205 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: if you're zero for two, you're out of a gig. 206 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just where we are now. I don't know, 207 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: it's it sure seems like this is James Dolan. His 208 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: fingerprints are all over this. So it doesn't seem like 209 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 2: James Dolan was incredibly fond of Tom Thibodeau. And you 210 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: could kind of put two and two together. Tims kind 211 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: of roles like I would expect him to roll in 212 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: the office, sort of like Bill Belichick. You know, like 213 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 2: Robert Kraft was fine with getting rid of Bill Belichick 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: after six championships. Jeff, you know, it's not like Belichick 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: is kissing Robert Kraft's ring. And I can't expect Tom 216 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: Thibodeaux to have done the same thing with James Dolan. 217 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: You know, it's not like James Dolan shows up in 218 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: the office and Tibbs is like, Hey, Jimmy d what's 219 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: going on, man, how's the fishing going? Like that's just 220 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: not who Tibbs is. He's like, I got stuff to do. 221 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: I gotta grind away, I'm watching take Yeah, I don't 222 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: have time to talk to you. He seems like he 223 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: would probably be like that. And then we had the 224 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: reports of the exit interviews with the players and reportedly 225 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 2: won or a couple of players weren't too fond of 226 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: playing for TIBs. So you gotta have one of the two. 227 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 2: Either management is on board or the players or are 228 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 2: on board. But if you're zero for two, you're out 229 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: of a gig. And that's the thing if you look 230 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: at other head coaches. Mike Malone had a lot of 231 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: success with the Denver Nuggets. He was out of a 232 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: job and the reports came out where there were numerous 233 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: players that were miffed. They were disgruntled with how things 234 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: were going. Yeah, and it reminded me, while we're talking 235 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: New York, Jeff, it reminded me of some old school audio. 236 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: So this was a member of the New York Giants. 237 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: This is Carl Banks. Remember Carl Banks with Lawrence Taylor 238 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: and all those great Giants teams. So he was on 239 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: NFL network on America's Game. Right, they chronicle a Super 240 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Bowl winning team season, and this is what Carl Banks 241 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: had to say about his head coach, Bill Parcells. Check 242 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 2: this out. This is great. 243 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: That is sort of the relationship Bill had with his players. 244 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 5: He would do something or say something crazy to you. 245 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 5: It affected players differently. I went through a long period 246 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 5: for Parcels and I We literally hated each other for 247 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 5: about an hour a day. I know some players to 248 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 5: this day that just don't like Bill Parcells, but they 249 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 5: played hard for him. 250 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: One of my favorite movies is Training Day with Denzel Washington, 251 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: and there's a line in the movie where he goes 252 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: that they is dead dog. We don't roll like that 253 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: no more. Right, that's where we are with coaching. What 254 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: Carl Banks explained with Bill Parcells and players hating this guy, 255 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 2: but they played hard for him. Yeah, that's no longer today. 256 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: The players that hate their head coach, they just let 257 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: it be known and that coach is most likely out 258 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: of a gig. So it's a really interesting thing you 259 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: got to do as a current head coach in the NBA. 260 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: You got to push your players, You got to hold 261 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: them accountable, and you still have to get them to 262 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: like you. That is not an easy thing to do. 263 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: It's not easy. I thought you were going to the 264 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 3: King Kong line, but I. 265 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: Love that one too. 266 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know if we're gonna have the mute button 267 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 3: ready to go or the dumb button. I look, I 268 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: think you're absolutely rights right. It's a it's a players 269 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: run league. You have to be friendly with the players 270 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: or the coaches. But sometimes and you mentioned New England, 271 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: right like the winning offsets that now they didn't do 272 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: the winning in New York and quite the fast and 273 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: that I guess maybe they want it, but they want 274 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: a lot, Brian. It's not like they didn't win, right like, 275 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: they want a lot for what they have been historically. 276 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: So you can't make the argument that they didn't win 277 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: at the level maybe that they wanted, but they won 278 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: more they had won in many, many years. But yeah, 279 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: the grind of that eventually gets old, right, And if 280 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: the championships and winning don't come, then people do get 281 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: tired of it. And you're right, Tims is probably not 282 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: coming in there with coffee and donuts every day saying 283 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: how was your night? Right, Hey, did you watch the 284 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: show last night? He's not doing that. But you also 285 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 3: know that when you hire him, So it shouldn't be 286 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: surprised when you don't get that fun, loving guy to 287 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 3: show up in the building every day. But again, it 288 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 3: should off you should offset that feeling with the winning, 289 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: like that's what the winning is is sort of for right, 290 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: is if you don't like the coach because he's a 291 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: little callous, well, the winning should help take care of that. 292 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: And obviously at the end it didn't, and they're not 293 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: gonna win with Mike Brown in my opinion, so at 294 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: least you have a coach. Maybe you like espearcisly the 295 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: X interview thing, it's pretty interesting, ye, right, So you know, 296 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: ex interviews are what you do as a player right 297 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: after season is over, and you do them immediately right 298 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: after the scene is over, and a lot of times, 299 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: you know, the season doesn't end the way you wanted to. 300 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: And you know, not saying they're contentious interviews, but it's like, 301 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: maybe not the best time to do them. I do 302 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: wonder if if this had been done on a different day, 303 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 3: different time, the actually interviews go a little bit better 304 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: for everybody evolved. 305 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's a legit statement right there, for sure. 306 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 2: I just think a lot of times, last thing I'll 307 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: say is we put x'es and o's like on a 308 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: too high of a pedestal. I'm not saying exes and 309 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: o's don't matter, they certainly do. But it just talking 310 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: about Tibbs, it makes me think of Phil Jackson, you know, 311 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: think of Phil jacks and in the success he had 312 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: with the Lakers, with the Bulls, winning all those championships 313 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: and just managing people, in managing egos, and like crazy 314 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: Rodman wants to go to Vegas during the season. You 315 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: know how many coaches would not have handled that the 316 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: same way. And Phil's like, you know what, let's let 317 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: him do it. I think he needs the party and 318 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: get this out of his system. There are a lot 319 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: of coaches that would never even think about doing that. 320 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: That has nothing to do with the triangle and x's 321 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: and o's and anything like that. It's managing people. It's 322 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 2: coaching players hard and getting them to still respect you 323 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: and like you, because if they don't, they're probably not 324 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: going to listen to a word you have to say. 325 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: It's such a skill to have. 326 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 327 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 328 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific 329 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 330 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: Hey what's up everybody? 331 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: It's me three time pro bowler LeVar Arrington, and I 332 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 4: couldn't be more excited to announce a podcast called Up 333 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 4: on Game? 334 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 2: What is Up on Game? 335 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 4: You asked, along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. 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Huschman, Zada and Plexico Burrs on the 343 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast from. 344 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 2: So the Indiana Pacers, Jeff They confirmed Monday that Tyrese 345 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: Haliburton will indeed miss the entire twenty twenty five twenty 346 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: six season right this after he had surgery on his 347 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: right achilles. Not a shocker, right, But I think the 348 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: messaging is kind of it. So this is PACER's president 349 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: Kevin Pritchard. This is what he said yesterday. His quote is, 350 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: I have no doubt that he will be back better 351 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 2: than ever. The surgery went well. He will not play 352 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 2: next year, though, we would not jeopardize that now, so 353 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 2: don't get any hopes up that he will play. I 354 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: don't know, maybe it's me, maybe I'm odd here, but 355 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: I think that's just a weird statement where it's basically like, hey, 356 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: the hope you might have just get that off your 357 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: mind right now, not happening. I mean, I don't hate 358 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: the messages thing. It's a little bit odd. Maybe I'm 359 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: used to these teams. Maybe it's NFL offseason mode and 360 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: everybody is in the best shape ever, and man, this rookie, 361 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: what I've seen so far Wow, this guy has grasped 362 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 2: the playbook. This guy has taken control. Maybe I'm so 363 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: used to that where a PACER's statement where it's like, yeah, 364 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: get hope off your mind, immedia. Maybe that's why it 365 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: lands a little oddly for. 366 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's odd to be so forceful about it. 367 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: I feel like because a lot of times when we 368 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: hear teams talk about players and rehabits, always hope, right 369 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: and positivity, and this is just not the case. But 370 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: from a practical perspective, I like it. I like just saying, hey, guys, 371 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: we're shutting him down. There's no there's no point, Like 372 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: why are we going to rush him back for a 373 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: season that we've already not not punted on. But we 374 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 3: got rid of Miles Turner as we know, right, Like 375 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 3: you know, we just it's a different We're going to 376 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 3: have a different team, so we're just we're not punting 377 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: on the season, but we're letting you know that don't 378 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 3: expect him back. So I appreciate Brian. I think the 379 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: honesty there, right. I appreciate the honesty because that's what 380 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: they should be thinking. But yeah, most of the time 381 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: people teams are like, you know, he's coming back. Guys. 382 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: You know, you want to sell tickets, you want to 383 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: sell excitement, you want to sell hope, and they just 384 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: didn't do that here. So it just feels it's different. 385 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 3: It's that you don't normally hear or we quote like 386 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: that from a team. But this is smart. This is 387 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 3: the right decision, right, Let's not rush him back. We 388 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: rushed him back from the calf injury. Rushed is the 389 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 3: wrong word. He was it was the funnels. He was 390 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 3: gonna play no matter what. But he's back early. He 391 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 3: got hurt, there's no reason to bring him. But he's 392 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 3: our future of our franchise. Let's wait, let's it looks 393 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: he might come back a month early. Never know, but 394 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 3: I think under selling it is always better than over 395 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: selling it, and so I appreciate at least that that perspective. 396 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: But yes, saying hey guys, no hope, nothing, sorry, don't 397 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: don't think about it. Don't just don't think about it. 398 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 3: So I found that, you know, that's that's unique. You 399 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: just don't hear that in other sports. 400 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be like the Titans, like press conference, Hey, uh, 401 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: you think he might make the playoffs this year? And whatever? 402 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: The head coach or whomever it may be. The GM 403 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: is like, uh, you know what, don't get your hopes 404 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: up on that. It'd be like what, whoa wow, it 405 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: would like blow you away. I'm not listen. I I 406 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: just it struck me as a little odd. That's if 407 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 2: they left it at he will not play next year though, Okay, 408 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: but he took it a step further, So don't get 409 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: any hopes up that he will play. It's like, whoa 410 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: pretty strong, but hey, I get it. Shutting him down 411 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: is the right move. And I totally agree underselling is 412 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: better than over selling, like, hey, maybe maybe he'd be 413 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 2: back for the stretch run if we're in a good 414 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: position and blah blah blah. Yeah, I don't think they're 415 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 2: at mishandling it. It's just so different. That's where it's like, 416 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: whoa wow. Okay, we're just cutting to the chase right here. 417 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: So what makes the NFL so different, as you mentioned 418 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: from others, as you have NFL in the mind, is 419 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: the NFL sells hope better than another league. Yeah, it's 420 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: one of their hallmarks. And the NFL A team would 421 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 3: never put them out like this. No, especially you know 422 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 3: this time of year. The best part about kind of 423 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: preparing for the season, for the NFL seasons, just how 424 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: everyone thinks they're gonna they're gonna be good this year. 425 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: I sounded like four teams And you don't feel that 426 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 3: way in other sports, you really don't, you know, professional 427 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: football and look, there's really just a handful team that 428 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: he can win the super Bowl, but you never know, 429 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: right like you can. Post hockey feels this way sometimes too, 430 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 3: where eight seeds play much better than, you know, than expected. 431 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 3: But the ability for the NFL just to sell this 432 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: idea that you know, we're everyone has a chance to 433 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: win makes it a very unique league. 434 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: Absolutely it does. And this is the other part of 435 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: the Halliburton thing. So you saw where Halliburton he posted 436 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 2: on social media that he didn't regret playing in Game 437 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 2: seven and he would do it again and again after that, 438 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: and he wrote to fight for this city and my brothers. 439 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: And so that's the backdrop where again the president, Kevin Pritchard, 440 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: he made this statement and it really caught my attention. 441 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 2: He said, if you're asking me, would I have him 442 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 2: do it over and over? I would not. If I 443 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: knew he was going to get hurt, I would sacrifice 444 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: that game because I care for the kids so much 445 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: and want him to have an incredible career. That's his statement. 446 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 2: And so it just made me think, do you blame 447 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: the Pacers at all for letting Halliburton play in Game seven? 448 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: I mean, even if it's a I fight, not even 449 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: of one percent. 450 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: Buddy, this is it's Game seven the NBA Finals. 451 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear you. 452 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: And there's no way that that Holly Burnon would have 453 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: been like, yeah, I'm not playing. And he knew the 454 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: risk and we all knew. We we we followed the sport. 455 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: We see what happens to these achilles injuries. We see 456 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 3: you rush back from a calf injury. I think there's 457 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 3: just no way he wasn't gonna play, and and you 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: just it's it's unfortunate. Injuries are part of the game, 459 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 3: one hundred percent injury rate. It's it really sucked to 460 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 3: saw him seem on the on the court like that, 461 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: just like holy, I mean all it was terrible, But 462 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 3: it was Game seven the NBA Finals. Yeah you're gonna play, 463 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 3: he mentioned back. If he didn't play and they lost 464 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 3: by four, you've been like, what what you would have 465 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 3: a chance to beat. 466 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: So, and there's no guarantee he would have gotten hurt. Right, 467 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: you lose by four, he doesn't play at all, and 468 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: now you wrestle with he. He might have been okay. 469 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: He was okay in game six, right, Sure, So it's a. 470 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: It's a tough spot, I think for everyone, right, because 471 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: you want to protect your your superstar. You think about 472 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: long term. You saw how you know, I think I 473 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 3: don't think it was actually physical pain. I think it 474 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 3: was emotional pain. In the moment that was really hard 475 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: to watch to see how just emotionally. You know how 476 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: upset he was after the injury. And you know Achilles injuries. 477 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 3: I've been fortunately not have one, but you know the 478 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: signs are always there. And I think that it's pretty 479 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 3: easy to tell when a guy has an Achilles injury 480 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: and players know that as well. You feel that snap 481 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: right unfortunately of of the hegue, so you know what 482 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,719 Speaker 3: it is immediately, So there's no like So again as 483 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: a player, you know how long that rehab is. You 484 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 3: see other people in the league and then so in 485 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 3: that moment, that's why he was so distraught. And sure 486 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 3: you feel but I am like the least emotional person ever, 487 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 3: Like I just maybe I just don't feel much. Sometimes 488 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 3: I probably should feel more. 489 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: I need to watch more rom comms. 490 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: I watched a ton of rom comms. I'm just very 491 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 3: like matter of fact, I think a lot of times 492 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: and I but I felt emotional watching Holli Booker. I 493 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: was like, oh, I was like, oh, jeez, a poor guy. 494 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: Maybe because I was so hurt in my NFL career 495 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 3: and I did nothing to like deserves by the wrong word. 496 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: But like just I just always got hurt, and just 497 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: I just got used to just numb with injuries. I 498 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 3: just never affects me anymore. 499 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 2: Well, I think with if anybody's second guessing Halliburton playing 500 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 2: in game seven, my rule is this, Jeff, you need 501 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: to be first guessing in order to be second guessing. 502 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: Anybody can say after he gets hurt in game seven, 503 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: like you should have been out there in the first place. 504 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: It's like, well, that's easy, because as you have access 505 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: to the results, you need to be first guessing. Before 506 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 2: you have access to the results, you know you needed 507 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: to be saying before game six, Haliburton shouldn't be playing 508 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: too risk. You should be saying before game seven, Haliburton 509 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: shouldn't be out there. It's too risky. If you weren't 510 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: saying that that, I don't want to hear correct you 511 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 2: say that once you find out that he snapped his achilles. 512 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 2: That's my own rule. And listen, this is the nature 513 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: of sports. It's unfortunate. There was no guarantee he was 514 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: going to get hurt. They took a chance. Unfortunately they 515 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: got burned. But think about guys like Tarall Owens played 516 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, right he played in Super Bowl 517 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: thirty nine. That was seven weeks after breaking his leg. 518 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: He had torn ligaments in his ankle and the doctors 519 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 2: were like, you shouldn't play in the game, and he 520 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 2: played anyway, and it worked out fine for him. Individually. 521 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 2: He played great, he didn't get hurt worse Like, you 522 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: take chances like that all the time in sports and 523 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: hope that it doesn't burn you, and every now and 524 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: then it does. 525 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 3: Those guys like uh like Terrell Owens, these Hall of 526 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 3: Fame talents, man, I have I have said for years, 527 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: and I've played with I think in my career ended 528 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: up playing with at least three, and Eli gets in 529 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 3: with anything will four. So Juwis Pepper's Steve Smith will 530 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 3: get it will get if he's not. And yet uh, 531 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: Adrian Peterson and Eli Manning and and one thing, you know, 532 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: the the three other guys that the non corbacks have 533 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 3: in common is like their ability to just regenerate, like 534 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: they these Hall of Fame players, their ability to just 535 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: never get hurt or when they get hurt, just regenerate, 536 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 3: like they just get healthier faster. It is it's a 537 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: it's a wild thing. I mean, I was there, you know, 538 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: in Minnesota and Adrian Peterson played with that sports Turney 539 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: when he had two thousand yards rushing. That was the 540 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 3: year I was. I. I had just come off a 541 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: Sports Turney injury. I knew I had the surgery months before. 542 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: Adrian Pearson had the same and he played every week. 543 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 3: I did not play every week. I had to have 544 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: surgery like immediately. It's just these guys are They're built differently, dude. 545 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: And so it's kind of wild just to see some 546 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: of these Hall of Fame players and their ability to 547 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: just remain healthy. And I think it's it's two things. 548 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: One it's it's natural. It's just naturally gifted, right they are, 549 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: you know, And to their ability to train at a 550 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: different level than the rest of us. Dude, I try 551 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 3: as hard as I could. It sometimes didn't even matter, 552 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: Like it just didn't matter because the guys are better 553 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: than me. It's just what it's genetics to what it is. 554 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 3: And so you know, Hollie Burn, maybe he's one of 555 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: these guys that is so good he can recover faster 556 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: anyone else, but probably not so in the end, I'm 557 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: glad the pagiers at least said that. Right, it's the 558 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: same like, hey, guy, just don't worry about it. He's 559 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: not going to come back this year. Focus on, you know, 560 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: on something else. 561 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, and hopefully it will be as 562 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 2: quick of a recovery as possible. 563 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 564 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: a Up of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and 565 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific. 566 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: So there have been some rule changes and there have 567 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: been some non rule changes. Yeah, okay, So I want 568 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 2: you to vote, if you will, throughout your opinion. Here, 569 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: what do you think the most impactful change or non 570 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 2: change will be for this season? Okay, So here are 571 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: the choices, and I'll try to go fast because you 572 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: might just forget the first couple after I readle off 573 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 2: five of these things. You know, so this is gonna 574 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: sound like nothing really, but the virtual tracking system that's 575 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: gonna be used to measure down in distances. And you 576 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: might think, who cares, all, right, they're replacing the chain gang. 577 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: Well well they're actually not though, Well. 578 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: That's the secondary system, so they're not gonna be used 579 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 2: at all. They're just gonna be hanging out and like 580 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: the emergency go basically right, they're not going to be used. 581 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 2: I don't know that they're ever gonna be used. So 582 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna be this virtual tracking system. And just when 583 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: you shrug your shoulders and think that might not make 584 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: a difference, well think about that Bills Chiefs game, and 585 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe the virtual tracking system will make 586 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: a difference. And that's a first down for the Bills. 587 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 588 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: Okay, But okay, here's here's the question I have with 589 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: with with that is that I don't think it's gonna 590 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 3: help that much with spot Like it's because you don't 591 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: know where it's not helping tell you where someone's down though, right, 592 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: It's just it's just telling you where the ball I 593 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: think is right. Right, So still, I mean, there's still 594 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 3: some questions I have about the system. But okay, okay, 595 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: that's one change. 596 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 2: That's one. On side kicks, you can you can go 597 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: for an on side kick at any point. 598 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 3: During and not declare. You used to have to declare 599 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: the on side kick, right. 600 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you still do because you have to alert the 601 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: opposing team, which sucks. We can't do the the surprise 602 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 2: on s. There's nobody there. Everybody's downfield, correct, you know, 603 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: like the old Pat McAfee where he kicked the ten yards. 604 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: You can recover it every time. Now there's no one there, 605 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: but you have to alert them. So there's that change. 606 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: Both teams are now guaranteed at least one possession in overtime. 607 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: And then we get to the two biggies. I think 608 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 2: the toush push remains, and then you have touchbacks on 609 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: kickoffs the ball be spotted at the thirty five yard 610 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 2: line instead of the thirty Which of those changes are 611 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 2: non changes do you think will be most impactful? 612 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: Well, the toush push only really impacts one I mean ego. 613 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: I mean some teams don't touch push, like the Chiefs 614 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 3: never touch push. That doesn't impact them at all. No, 615 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: the overtime thing is fairly interesting, right, I think, because 616 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 3: how many times have we seen that obviously play a 617 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 3: role and you know, the team's chance to win to 618 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 3: win a game, right, I mean, it seems like these 619 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 3: rules change for the Chiefs seem to win overtime games. 620 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: But nonetheless that that feels pretty impactful, you know. So 621 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: that what was the other one you mentioned? 622 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: I think touchbacks is the big one. So it's ball 623 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: spoted at the thirty five. Yeah, so it incentivizes not 624 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: kicking the ball through the back of the end zone. 625 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna see more kickoff returns most likely. 626 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably, I would say you're right on that. I 627 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: don't think teams ah that five yards. I mean, I 628 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: don't know if teams are gonna are gonna risk a 629 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: return for five yards of field position. 630 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: I think some teams will. Some will say, hey, man, 631 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: we're gonna try to kick it as close to the 632 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: goal line as possible, and we're gonna rally and we're 633 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 2: our chances are better than not. They're going to stop 634 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: you before you reach the thirty five. 635 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: One thing I Brian, that I find it interesting about 636 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: the NFL seems obsessed with making the kickoff a thing. 637 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 3: I don't know why. I'm never watching a game, but 638 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: you know, I missed the kickoff return, Like just like, 639 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: give me the quarterback as soon as possible, you know 640 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like it seems like I don't know 641 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 3: why they're trying to make it. I get it from 642 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 3: maybe an excitement perspective, especially we want to have special teams, 643 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 3: players being involved in the game and whatnot, But otherwise 644 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 3: I don't quite get it. It's there's having returns a 645 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 3: year probably looking up five. Why are we so gong 646 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 3: hole about making sure returns are part of the game now? 647 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it just because it was such a 648 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 2: big part of the game not that long ago. Like 649 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: Devin Hester is a Hall of Famer because he was 650 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: a great return man. Oh yeah, you know, and there 651 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 2: was a lot of excitement with the play with absolutely 652 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: think at Dante Hall and Tamark Vanover for a little while, 653 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 2: I had some interesting, like some exciting returns. And listen, 654 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 2: I get it. The concussion thing, and they're trying they're 655 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 2: always trying to low the numbers. I understand that. 656 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: Right, But if you want to lower the number of concussions, 657 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 3: why would you force the kickoff returns? 658 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 2: Well, they're trying to find the best of both worlds. 659 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 3: Well, I get it. 660 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: If you don't have someone running, you know, forty yards 661 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: downfield at full speed and then just by lighting with someone. 662 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: So I every young offensive lineman who's not starting does 663 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: kickoff return Yeah right, ye, and I did it in 664 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: the day where you do whatever you wanted to do return. 665 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 2: Sure. 666 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you basically what happened is this, we did 667 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,240 Speaker 3: the wedge it's called right, where you hold hands together 668 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: as a normally three to three to five, two to 669 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 3: five guys, whatever it was. You'd hold hands and you'd 670 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: run full speed a defender who is named the wedge buster, 671 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 3: that's right, a guy whose job it was to a 672 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: linebacker most often whose job it was to run full 673 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: speed and throw their body into the wedge to create 674 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 3: a pot so they couldn't return. 675 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're telling me concussions occurred on places, Yeah. 676 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 3: Shocking, Right. So what you would do is I would 677 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 3: be in my stands, I'd run back and I'd hold 678 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 3: get to the spot, hold the guy's hand, run full 679 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 3: speed and then you just close your eyes. Yeah, you 680 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: just you just boom and just like you're like, oh, well, okay, 681 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 3: survived that one. It's terrible. Look I'm not disagree with 682 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 3: why they got rid of it, but yeah, it was not. 683 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: It was not I knew guys would put in. They 684 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: put in extra the pasically took a thigh pad or 685 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 3: a knee pad and put it under their shoulder pads 686 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: for extra for extra extra support. But it does lead 687 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: to fun. I did have one kickoff return in the NFL, Brian, 688 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 3: you did, yeah, sixteen yards? 689 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: Okay? 690 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 3: And uh the worst or best part either one. I 691 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 3: didn't fumble, which is the best part. The worst part 692 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: was that someone actually tried to tackle me and got 693 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 3: knocked out and got stretchered off the field. 694 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 2: Oh now there you're are you talking there? 695 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 3: So what happened was it was Clifted Smith who actually 696 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 3: got can cussed in a game earlier again were playing. 697 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 3: He got can cussed earlier this season again such as 698 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 3: well on a on a on a pretty vistage vicious 699 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: hit on a punt return. He was the punt return 700 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: got clear, so he's going to tackle me and he 701 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 3: got het. He got pushed into my leg and like 702 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 3: hitting the side of my my hip got knocked out, 703 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 3: but I don't remember. I was celebrating so much. Uh 704 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 3: that when my uncle called me later that day to 705 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 3: talk about it, he's like, he's like, how's the guy 706 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 3: that that got can cuss and you got carried off? 707 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 3: Excuse me what happened? Yeah, you can. I can send 708 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: you to play. You can see it. There's a guy 709 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 3: laying at the bottom of the pile, motionless. It's really 710 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 3: like disturbing to see. 711 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: Wow. 712 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 3: I didn't realize it happened in real time, no idea. 713 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 3: I was so celebrating so hard that I got sixteen yards. 714 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: Good job for you. 715 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 3: Made terrible running for him, though not not very. 716 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't for a second. You're very slippery. Maybe a 717 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 2: couple of spin moves. I don't buy that at all. 718 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 2: I think they're a top shelf. I've interviewed Clifton Smith many. 719 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 2: I did radio and Fresno. He's a former bulldog. You know, 720 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 2: so Clifton Smith was a good return guy. 721 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 3: Yeah he was. 722 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, but him trying to tackle you, Clifton Smith is 723 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: a small guy. 724 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 3: Well, I think he got pushed into my leg, and 725 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 3: if you watch it, I don't think he I think 726 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 3: he got pushed in the back or something, or he 727 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 3: got tripped up. I don't think he was going like 728 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 3: headlong into my leg. Yeah, but knocked out. Yeah not 729 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: great man. Yeah, you have an Android phone. If I 730 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 3: sent you the video, it's gonna be all weird. 731 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: Jeff hates me because I have an Android phone. 732 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 3: Well, you ruined the text thread. 733 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: I'm glad to do it. 734 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 3: That's what it is. 735 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 2: I'm very happy to quote unquote ruin the text thread 736 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: with my Android ways. You know, it makes me happy.