1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Sports and politics don't go together. Well they do now, 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: actually they always have. Reggie Bush maybe welcomed back to USC. Finally, 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: is COVID making a comeback and may actually ruin football season? 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: The n C double A did something wonderfully surprisingly good 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: and we can't believe it. And is a SU turning 6 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: into an HBCU? And how about those preseason college football rankings. 7 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: I'm George Rice Stir with Ralph Amston and this is 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: the Pack twelve Apostles. We want to thank you guys 9 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: for listening to the Pack twelve Apostles. 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If you want to get ahold of us, 17 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: he's at Ralph Amston on Twitter and social media I'm 18 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: at George Rice Stir, or you can send us a 19 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: message at i'm at I am m a d at 20 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: unafraid show dot com and of course it will make 21 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the show and we will get back to you. Enjoy 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: the show, Ralph. I think that it would be um, 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: we we would be wrong if we didn't acknowledge the 24 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: temperature in the room and everything that's going on in 25 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: the country. Because PAC twelve schools, schools around the nation 26 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: are acknowledging what's going on in the world as far 27 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: as Black lives matter, equality for all, um, ending police brutality, 28 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: systematic oppression of black people, and the students, the student 29 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: athletes have been vocal about it. Coaches have been vocal 30 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: about it, and there have also been some uh, some 31 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: scandals that have come out of this. We have a 32 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for one of the top defenses in the 33 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: country suspended. Right now, Where are you on all of this? 34 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Right now? Everywhere you can be I'm um, there's a 35 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: lot going on, man. It's it's really really hard to 36 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: focus on just one thing at a time because it 37 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: feels like a little bit of news is dropping, you know, 38 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Um every single day. You got coaches and players, you know, 39 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: stuff from their past getting drug out into the light 40 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: and sprayed with disinfectant. You got schools issuing, you know, 41 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: different statements. Um, you have the fact that the PAC 42 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: twelve has five black head coaches and the rest of 43 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: the country is something like six for one eighteen um 44 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: and which which makes a lot of people in this conference. Um. 45 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you've been this for some people, George. 46 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: But there's the whole like safe black friend thing going on, like, Hey, 47 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: we need to find the one black guy we know 48 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and who has a voice. We need to hear him 49 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: talk about it so he can tell us what to do. 50 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: Because now we're all of a sudden all very interested 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: in um, in in doing what needs to be done, 52 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna keep all the responsibility on on 53 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: the one or two black guys, are one or two 54 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: black girls that we know. I feel like a lot 55 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: of that's happened in the PAC twelve and so there's 56 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: just a lot to pay attention to. Um, there's just 57 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: a lot. Where are you at, Well, I think that 58 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: it is it's fantastic that you have universities, you have 59 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, coaches really stepping up and being in the 60 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: paint with their with their players, because if you really 61 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: think about it, right here is the kind of the 62 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: inherent problem. And I forget. One of the coaches was 63 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: was was talking about this. He said, Okay, you have 64 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: all these black players and it, and you feel comfortable 65 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: cheering for them on Sundays. I'm sorry on Saturdays, and 66 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, shouting, getting excited because they did something good 67 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: for you, they want for your team, made you happy. 68 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: All of this, But then at the end of the day, 69 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: when they're going through things in their personal life, you 70 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: don't defend them with the same fervor and energy that 71 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: you do when they can do something for you. And truthfully, 72 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there who you know, 73 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: say I don't have any racial uh disparity, and my 74 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: and my heart, I don't, you know, I see all 75 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: people are equal, this and that. But the true Littnis 76 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: test is this I found this in life. Is people 77 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: can say that they have all the black friends, they want, 78 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: all the brown friends, they want, all the you know, 79 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: Muslim friends, they want whatever. It is. The true Littnis 80 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: test is and that you have to examine in your 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: heart is would I be okay if this person dated 82 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: or married my daughter. That's the ultimate litness test. And 83 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that when you have these coaches standing up 84 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: with their players and saying you know what you what, 85 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: whether it's genuine or whether it's not genuine. The whole 86 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: point is is that they are making money, millions of 87 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: dollars off of these black bodies, and they need to 88 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: be standing in the paint with them for something that 89 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: they have experienced throughout their community and or any sore 90 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: sorts of things where they're followed in stores, presumed to 91 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: be uh a threat, all of these things, anything that 92 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: they feel systematic oppression where like, uh interesting video about it. 93 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: So um, I'll actually put the link to it in 94 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the podcast notes about how systematic oppression works. And it 95 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: starts with the money, like what once you get past 96 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, slavery and uh and schools being integrated, segregation, 97 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: all of that. Once you get past that, then it 98 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: starts being an economic issue. In the fact of so 99 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: all all of this happened, there was redlining. Black people 100 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: weren't allowed to buy, they weren't given loans for businesses 101 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: and homes and all of these things, right, and so 102 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to build wealth in that way. And then 103 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: you when you don't own homes, you end up in 104 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: poorer neighborhoods, renting and all that and then, uh, schools 105 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: are funded by property tax money. So if you live 106 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: in a nice neighborhood, property tax are going to be more, 107 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: your schools are better funded. The same is true of 108 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: the opposite is true for poor neighborhoods, less land value, 109 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: less property tax money, schools are overcrowded. Just there's food, insecurity, 110 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: all of these things that continue to exacerbate problems. And 111 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: these are some of the things that these kids faced 112 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: when they had to go back home during COVID, food insecurity, 113 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: all all of this stuff. They're back in neighborhoods that 114 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: maybe aren't that great and they're experiencing some of these things, 115 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and now to have it all come to the forefront 116 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 1: and to have their universities and to have their coaches 117 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: stand up with them and for them is big. It 118 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: is huge. Um. We just have to make sure that 119 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: it's not lip service, you know, I out like so 120 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: many of the statements that came out came out because 121 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: everyone else was making statements, Like when we couldn't be 122 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: the one who didn't make a statement, right, would we 123 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: really have heard from Chip Chip Kelly seems very much 124 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: like a handle this stuff in house guy. Would we 125 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: really have heard from Chip Kelly. If it wasn't for 126 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: like a Domino's falling type situation of where you know, 127 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: everybody had to come out and say something, Oh yeah, 128 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: probably probably not. And I think that that's what has 129 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: happened so long in our community, is that people have 130 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: been silent and you know, just turned the other way saying, well, 131 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't affect me. I don't want to cause a commotion. 132 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: And that has been a large part of the problem, 133 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: is that willingness to stay silent because your your your 134 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: silence is being complicit when you know that something is wrong. 135 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: And I think that that the that where some people 136 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: look at it, they say, oh, the schools are being bullied, 137 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: coach are being bullied into saying something. But isn't it better, 138 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: like I look at it like that, Yes, some of 139 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: these people probably felt compelled and forced to do some 140 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: of these things, But isn't it better to get people 141 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: out of their comfort zone and stand up for what's 142 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: right and then get comfortable with it then to just 143 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: continue to let something that's wrong go on and you 144 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: just stay in your comfort zone of silence. Yeah, And 145 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: it what what I just keep getting confused by is 146 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: how people are taken aback by this, or or how 147 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: they're surprised by any of this, or or why some 148 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: of these statements. You know, so many of these statements 149 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: said one of two things of like I'm I'm becoming 150 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: aware um of these things, and I don't understand it. 151 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I was ten years when Tupa said, if I know, 152 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: then in this hotel room they have food every day, 153 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: and I'm knocking on that door every day to eat 154 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and they open the door. Let me see the party. 155 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: Let me see them throwing salami all over, just throwing 156 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: food around and telling me there's no food. Every day, 157 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: I'm standing outside trying to sing my way in. We're hungry, 158 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: please let us in. We're hungry, please let us in. 159 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: And about a week that song is going to change 160 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: to we're hungry, we need some food. After two or 161 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: three weeks, it's give me the food, or I'm breaking 162 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: down the door. After a year, you're like, I'm picking 163 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: the lock. I'm coming through the door, blasting right like 164 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: that was That was, That's twenty six years ago. Now 165 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: to where you know, the somebody who was at the 166 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: absolute forefront of the black culture that we all enjoy, 167 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: that we all take from that we all consume was 168 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: explaining to you exactly what this moment would be, in 169 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: what this moment has been that for all of a sudden, 170 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: people like Utah's defensive coordinator or that you know, backup 171 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: tight end out at Oregon State to be like, I'm 172 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: sorry that I was saying the N word in two 173 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: thousand eight, two thousand, two thousand seventeen. Um, you know 174 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: I've learned my bad. Like, No, this has been We've known, 175 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: We've known forever. Nothing has ever changed about what you 176 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: can and can't say. And why why why is education 177 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: for people coming in their late teens or in their 178 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: mid thirties. None of this makes any sense to me. 179 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: If you don't operate with empathy, if you don't understand 180 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: that you can't just stand in your own experience, If 181 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the things that you do on a daily basis involve 182 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: people from other places and other cultures and other experiences, 183 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a bad time. And I think that 184 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: we were seeing plenty of that well there. And okay, 185 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: so I think the biggest issue with things has been 186 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: when you have people is I think it's very easy 187 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: to look at your situation and look at it as 188 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: a one off or And I think that that's what's 189 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: happened with police brutality, is that people look at the 190 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: murders are like, oh, the numbers aren't that high all 191 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: of this, But it's not even just about the murders 192 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: that have happened by at the hands of police. It 193 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: is the brutality that doesn't end in death. And it's 194 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: also the the criminalizing just by how you look and 195 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: being able to you know, when um, when the Karens, 196 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: when Karen's can call the police and say, oh, there's 197 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: an African American here, he's assaulted me and there and 198 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: and the sympathy is going to be there instead of 199 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: doing the due diligence and a way, hold up, what 200 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: the heck happened here, and you having to de escalate 201 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: things in that in that way. So I think it's 202 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: important that that and I think that a lot of 203 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: people are saying, now, hold up. I was just looking 204 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: at these as isolated incidents because it's easy to look 205 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: at things as isolated incidents when it doesn't happen to 206 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: you all the time, like prime prime example. Today today 207 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: I had an interaction with my barber right he came over, 208 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: we're doing social distancing, haircut in the backyard, mass on 209 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: all of all of this stuff. This dude's been cutting 210 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: my hair for years, right, and um, technology is coming 211 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: to play. And I always pay him with either zil. 212 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Well now I only play at pain with zel, but 213 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: used to pay them with you know, uh vin moo 214 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: or something like that. Right, And I'm just going about 215 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: my day. So when I would leave the barbershop, I 216 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: would be getting ready to pay him. And a few 217 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: times I got a phone call in or something. And 218 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: the last time he came to my house, he cut me, 219 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: the kids, all of this stuff. He left. I was 220 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: cooking dinner. He was like, yo, well you send me 221 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: the money, blah blah blah. So he did. This had 222 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: happened a few times, but I didn't think too much 223 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: of it because I'm like, yo, I paid you, Like 224 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: what is what is the problem? So today he shows 225 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: up at my at my house He's like, um gee, uh, 226 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: I need you to send send me the money. First, 227 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: I was like, bro, what are you talking to? You 228 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: don't pay for a haircut before you get it. And me, 229 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: even though it's the same dude, he knows how I 230 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: want my haircut. We've never had a problem where friends, 231 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: he wrote a book. My my name is in his book, 232 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: all of this stuff. But he was pretty angry at me, right, 233 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, like what are you so hostible? 234 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: Like why are you coming at me? He was like, Yo, 235 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: if you don't want to pay it, pay it first. 236 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm leaving, like forget it. And I was like, okay, 237 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: hold up, because this is gonna turn into a thing 238 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: where we're not gonna be cool because I'm gonna be 239 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: piste off. I'm never getting my haircut with you would 240 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: again because I mean, despite ten years of this, right 241 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: because my kids are everything. And I was like, okay, 242 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: hold up, I'm gonna diffuse the situation. So I was like, look, 243 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to pay you, but we're gonna have a 244 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: conversation while while we're getting getting cut, and so I 245 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: pay him. He comes back and I was like, bro, 246 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: what's up with you? I was like, listen, if you 247 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: got a problem with me, then you need to bring 248 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: it to me in this sort of sort of sort 249 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: of way. And he said something that clicked to me. 250 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: He was like, George, this has happened multiplely, multiple times 251 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. I was like, haven't you always been paid 252 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: like for ten years, never, not one time I had 253 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: a problem. He was like, yes, you've always paid me. 254 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: He was like, but I'm I mean, my judice is 255 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: not typical barber. Like he's on time, conducts everything like 256 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: a professional everything, and so it's not so it's not 257 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: the barber from Atlanta. No, hell no, dude. This he 258 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: actually created an app that schedules so like you can 259 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: schedule your times, created his own app so you can 260 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: schedule your your times booking appointment so you don't have 261 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: to sit at the barber shop for two three hours. 262 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: Any of that. He's on, I mean, just very very professional, 263 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: and it just hit me. I was like, bro, I 264 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: want to apologize to you. I was like, I didn't 265 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: like the way you came at me, but now that 266 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned you, you have said this a couple of times, 267 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: and I just he was like, bro, you just laughed 268 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: it off, and it like pissed me off, and and 269 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I was so caught up in 270 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: my own stuff and not paying attention. I was like, 271 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: You've been very professional all this were friends and all 272 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: this stuff, and I was being negligent and how I 273 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: was treating you, and I apologize for that, and so 274 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a minor scale compared to what's been going 275 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: on out in the world. But it was something where 276 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,239 Speaker 1: I was so focused on me and my own situation 277 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: that I didn't realize that I was treating somebody that 278 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: I value as a friend and also as my barber 279 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: in a way that wasn't cool. And that's because it's 280 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: a mutually benefit a show relationship, and so you're all 281 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: you're thinking about is the bottom line. And I've noticed 282 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: a lot of that of people talk about these kids, 283 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: like when this whole thing with Morgan Scaltley, the defensive 284 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: coordinator um for Utah, when this whole thing came up, 285 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: everybody that you know and Utah fans, they just just 286 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: do me a favor and just chill. Sit this one out. 287 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: You're not going to change the outcome with your tweets. 288 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: You're only going to tell in yourself that's it. And 289 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: if there's any fan base that just needs to chill 290 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: on an issue like this, it's the crossover fan base 291 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: of the Utah Jazz. So that being said, a lot 292 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: of them were like, look, how many people Morgan scally 293 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: took out of their situations. They immediately immediately tried to 294 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: put it on a scale of saying, like, all right, 295 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: how many times can you say the N word? That 296 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: it's actually worth helping a black person move out of 297 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: where they were at in Florida or Texas. That's what 298 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: they were doing, right, They were trying to find some way. 299 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: They're like, look, this is a mutually beneficial Like, so 300 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: what he accidentally text a player's family that that here 301 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: was the N word when he meant to send it 302 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: to a fellow coach. He helped that player. So they're 303 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: even like, so what if he called that player N 304 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: word to their face? That player is still playing football 305 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: in the CFL. Like, he helped that person, So they're 306 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: like that trying to put it on some type of 307 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: scale just shows a complete lack of empathy to the 308 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: imbalance of the power structure that exists in the first place. 309 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Morgan scally has literally made millions of dollars off of 310 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: the free labor of black athletes from New Orleans, from Texas, 311 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: from Florida. And he knows that. He knows that, and 312 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: that's that's the funny part to me, is that is 313 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: that then you have players caping for him, like, oh, 314 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: he's he's such a good man. He treated us fairly. 315 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: Of course, he's he's going to try to play the 316 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: best player because that keeps him a job. And then 317 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: he he was getting ready to be close to Namestar, 318 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: buzzing about head coaching jobs. So yes, he's going to 319 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: play play the best player because he it's beneficial to him. 320 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: And I told you this, right, I told you that. 321 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: Like so, I had a best friend all through high 322 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: school and and after high school and was in my 323 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: wedding and everything. Um, he does not listen to this podcast, 324 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: and we we don't really talk too much, and so, uh, 325 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: I doubt it's going to become an issue. But I'll 326 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: say this. I had a friend who I thought was 327 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: the absolute pinnacle of um racial equality and mutual respect. 328 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: He had moved from or again when we're in high school. 329 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: He came in, uh, into our high school in Arizona. 330 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: He was a leader, He was super athletic, he was 331 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: good looking, He treated everybody with respect. He was just 332 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: like like when I the first time I ever saw 333 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow talk, I was like, oh, that reminds me 334 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: of my friend, and um, you know this guy he 335 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: was just so giving and his parents had an open 336 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: door policy and they were just incredible people. And I 337 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: didn't have a great home life. So I spent a 338 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: lot of time at his house. And all of our 339 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: friends who were black and brown, spent a lot of 340 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: time at his house and at his dinner table and 341 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: around his parents and around his brother and sister. And 342 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: he gave them rides and he gave them food, and 343 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: he was just so good to everybody. He kind of 344 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: set the model for me of like, oh, this is 345 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: how I need to treat people if I ever get 346 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity I got my own house, Like I want 347 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: to have open door policy like this. I want to 348 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: make sure that my kids know that everybody can come 349 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: to dinner. Right. And and he was so good to 350 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: so many people. And one day it came up in 351 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: conversation that, um, he that belief you you talked about 352 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: at the at the top of the podcast of like 353 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: the true test is like would you let them marry 354 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: your son or daughter? Right? And he he told me 355 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: that the attitude of his house, and it was an 356 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,959 Speaker 1: attitude that he shared was you can bring him around, 357 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: just don't make him family. And I remember just being devastated. 358 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: I remember screaming in his face, just being so brokenhearted 359 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: that like, this person that I had held up on 360 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: a pedestal thought this way, and I mean it hurts, 361 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: It hurt bad. And I'll tell you what, Like it 362 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: took about a year after that for our friendship to 363 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: kind of fizzle out, and we haven't talked much for 364 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years or whatever. Um in that year 365 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: of me fighting with him about this, and in that 366 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: year of me being brokenhearted about, you know, finding out 367 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: the truth about his attitude and attitude that he never 368 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: showed any remorse for whatsoever. If someone had come along 369 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: and called him a racist in that year, I would 370 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: have fought that person because of the value that I 371 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: had of our relationship, even though I knew it was true, 372 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: even though I knew for a fact and had the 373 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: evidence that it was true. And when I saw all 374 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: of those Utah players out there defending Morgan scally in 375 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: this moment in history, in this moment in time, that's 376 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: what it reminded me of. He did a lot for 377 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: them and they have a relationship. And yeah, maybe maybe 378 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: racist isn't the right thing to call him, but you 379 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: need to address the facts of the matter, which is 380 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: that he feels the comfort to do what he did. 381 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 1: And if you read that athletic article, um, you know 382 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't just the things he was saying, which are 383 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: horrible enough. It was he would do stuff like sob 384 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: openly if someone who was lbs got caught smoking weed, 385 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: but then be unforgiving if it was a black kid. Yep. 386 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: Like that's deeply in great correct, And that's where I 387 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: get how it can be hard for for people. It's 388 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: like when you know, uh, there was a case not 389 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: too long ago where uh, this this kid got kidnapped 390 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: from a hospital like twenty years ago, and the mom 391 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: raised the kid. But then at sixteen, the kid wanted 392 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: to go get The daughter wanted to go get a job. 393 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: She needed a birth certificate. Didn't have a birth certificate, 394 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: so she had to go. Um, so she ended up 395 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: telling her what what happened. She goes to go find 396 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: a real mom like a few years later, Like she 397 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: kept a secret for another two years. I went to 398 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: go find her mom. Uh, then the lady who kidnapped 399 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: her her, the lady who raised her treated her well. 400 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: All of this stuff ends up in jail and the 401 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: real mom is having a problem because she's like, I 402 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: don't understand why, uh my daughter who was kidnapped isn't 403 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: looking at this lady as a kidnapper. But she's looking 404 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: at her like a mom. And she feels conflicted because 405 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: she's like this, this is the lady who raised me 406 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: and she treated me phenomenally, but she stole me. So 407 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: it's like it's one of those things that has to 408 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: be so confusing for for people. But here's the question 409 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: for you, Ralph, because people will say, oh, it was 410 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen, it was so long ago all of this. 411 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: Should Morgan's galli be fired and is he going? So 412 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: there two separate questions. Is he going to be fired? 413 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: And should he be fired? When you look at the 414 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: way that Oregon State handled their similar ish situation difference 415 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: between player and coach. But you know, it's something that 416 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: happened a while back, um, and you what you ask 417 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: is is Utah going to be more like Oregon than 418 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills who are just standing by Jake from 419 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: who texts some random person some dumb shit about only 420 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: elite white people being able to afford gun parts. Um, which, 421 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: by the way, like for all these white people out 422 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: there that are like what, You've never text anything like that? No, 423 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: I haven't. Why have you? You morons? Quit being racist 424 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: in your text messages, you assholes. If we if we 425 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: lose a couple of listeners from this. I just want 426 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: you to know, grace exists. Grace exists. Just stop texting 427 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: racist stuff to people, please and acted like everybody does 428 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: it and then telling on yourself by saying what everybody 429 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: does it? Never so so you're so you you never 430 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: have done that, So like you've never called anybody the 431 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: the in word Ralph, Come on out, hell, no, I 432 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: would exactly? Do you understand? Like I don't. I'm trying to. 433 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how these people didn't get 434 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: their asking. Every every single questionable thing that I said 435 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: in my youth, whether it was in my home or 436 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: outside my home, you had to be able to back 437 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: it up with your fists in that moment, in that moment. 438 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: And there were people who lived on my block who 439 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: have been lifelong friends of mine whose parents taught them 440 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: no interracial marriage. One of my absolute best friends who 441 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: was in an interracial marriage now um ironically not only 442 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: believed that, but he was super aggressive toward anybody of 443 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: Hispanic heritage, and our other neighbor kid who was our 444 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: best friend, was Hispanic, and so it was just very 445 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: tense all the time, and any time it came up, 446 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 1: any time it bubbled over, somebody swung like you you 447 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: couldn't get away with stuff like this, And I can't 448 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: imagine wanting to be around people who talk like that. 449 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: I think everybody's got friends who like there's humor in 450 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: our differences, right, So, you know, I've never hung around 451 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: with the type of people who just say, three guys 452 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: walk into a bar and then they jump right into 453 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: racist stereotypes. That's never been my scene. Um, you know, 454 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: hanging out with all my friends who roast each other 455 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: over like how dark their skin is and what the 456 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: sun does do it and we all laugh. That's different. 457 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: Like my dad's entire side of the family that's Indian 458 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: that they make fun of each other for doing like 459 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: native people things, you know, like my The last time 460 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: that I was hanging out with my aunt, she was like, yeah, 461 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,959 Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, um, you know I think that, uh, 462 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: I think we'd be more against all this redskin stuff 463 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: if they weren't always giving us free ship. Like and 464 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: she's like laughing about it and stuff like having conversations 465 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: about the ironies and and sort of weirdness of different 466 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: cultures and race and everything like that. You have to 467 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: laugh about it because this it's heavy otherwise, but like 468 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: to exploit it or to be a bully about it? No, man, 469 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: like I just there, what's the appeal in it? I 470 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: don't get it? Okay, so it so you didn't answer 471 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: the question. No, is Morgan Scalley gonna be fired? I'm 472 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: not letting you off the hood. Um It this like literally, 473 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: at this point in history, with millions of people out 474 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: in the street risking their lives because there's a deadly 475 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: virus going around, to try to make sure that people 476 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: understand that we haven't been on equal footing for four centuries. 477 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: This is not the best time for me to go 478 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: out and say that we should exercise some grace in 479 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: this moment and give him another opportunity. Um, the freaking 480 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: thing with Michael Richards in a comedy club happened how 481 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: many decades ago, Like it's been learned. We know what 482 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: to do and what not to do. He should have 483 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: known better, and if it cost him his job, I 484 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: will not lose one wink of sleep, no matter how 485 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: many former Utah football players getting my d m s 486 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: and call me names for bringing it up, because that 487 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: has been happening as well. However, it's not up to me. 488 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly that his players should have some level 489 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: of input in what happens, with the understanding though that 490 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: the power dynamic would put them in a football players 491 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: hate change anyway, The power dynamic would put them in 492 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: a position where I very much doubt that any of 493 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: them would step up even if they believed that he 494 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: should lose his job and outright say I think he 495 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: should be demoted. So I'll leave it at that. I 496 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: think that somebody else needs to run the defense this 497 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: year while he does some serious soul searching. Oh yeah, here, okay, 498 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: so and so. To answer the same question, I think 499 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: that being that there were some other issues that are 500 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: coming up about how he treated players, that that's what's gonna, 501 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: ultimately I believe, end up getting him fired. But should 502 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: he be be fired, here are the facts that I 503 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 1: believe Morgan scaly. He used the in word. It's unacceptable, 504 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: and that is absolutely a fire able offense. It doesn't 505 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: matter whether it happened in two thousand thirteen, because even 506 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, because that that's not a situation 507 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: to where, you know, how we try to judge history 508 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: based on today's terms and all of that, Like that's 509 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: like that wasn't cool then, So it's it. This wasn't 510 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven, and he used it, and then he 511 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,479 Speaker 1: hasn't used it since and then and now and now 512 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: you want to fire the guy. That's different. In two 513 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, it was unacceptable. My other question is who 514 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: was the text meant for? Because he's got a fall 515 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: on this sword and say, I don't remember who it 516 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: was for all of that, because if he implicates winning 517 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: Ham anybody else who it was meant for, because then 518 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, why did you feel so 519 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: comfortable sending that to them? Right? I think that Utah 520 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: fans seem to think that his best friend on the 521 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: staff is a black staffer and that there will maybe 522 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: have been some permissions given, and that the text was 523 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: he meant for him? Uh uh, I'm just relaying, but 524 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: inspirable to it then, yeah, But I mean the moral 525 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: of the story is he called four black kids the 526 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: N word to a kid. A couple of years after 527 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: calling a black dude on the team the N word 528 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: to his face. Uh, that's just that's just fact. Like 529 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: people trying to act like this is an isolated incident. 530 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: It's not an isolated incident. Like you just don't like 531 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: just pop up and be like, oh, I'm a I'm 532 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: a text N word today. And my favorite, my favorite 533 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: thing about all this is all the b y U 534 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: fans that have no choice but to like outwardly expressed 535 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: that they want him to be forgiven because their school 536 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: is named after a dude who had the absolute worst 537 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: record on race relations in of of any school named 538 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: after anybody. Uh is I mean, is there a d 539 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: one Jefferson University? Because otherwise the title so. But but 540 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: here's the other part though. Here is where I could 541 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: see him keeping his job is because I do believe 542 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: and I do know people, because a lot of change 543 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: can happen in a person's heart in seven years. I'm 544 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: a believer in redemption, forgiveness, second chances, all of that. 545 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: But he has to prove that change has happened, like 546 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: the impetus is on him, like like there has to 547 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: be some sort of epiphanist experience of pure religiosity or 548 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: something that caused this change, Like you just didn't wake 549 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: up one day and was like, no, no, I'm sick 550 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: of throwing around. Okay, but what does change look like? 551 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: Because in my head I envisioned like you know the 552 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know those signs they put up on 553 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: factory floors that like it has been one day since 554 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: our last time wasting money wasting actor, Like do they 555 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: just put up one of those in the Utah Athletic facilities, 556 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: like it's been forty three days since our last racist 557 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: incident on staff. Dude, maybe maybe maybe, but we will 558 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: see whether he gets fired or not, the same thing 559 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: with the Iowa strength coach and all of that. But 560 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 1: onto some good news, though, Ralph, I have been caping 561 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: for this and grandstanding on my soap box for this 562 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: for damn there ten years. Reggie Bush maybe headed back 563 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: to having a relationship. This is the weirdest thing having 564 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: a relationship with USC, like, because well, USC is expected 565 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: to end their disassociation from Reggie Bush because in two 566 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen they n C double A adopted a 567 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:52,479 Speaker 1: rule that said that the that the limits on any 568 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 1: mandated dis associations between an individual and a school that 569 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 1: they couldn't be any more than ten years, but that 570 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: it was up to the school's discretion. After that, I 571 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: eat Chris Webber and Michigan, and then Michigan will welcome 572 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: them back. But Reggie Bush is one of the all 573 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: time greatest college football players of all time, one of 574 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: USC's best players. I mean, they took down murals of him, 575 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: gave back his Heisman trophy, unretired his uh jersey. Well, 576 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, they took it off the field, off 577 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: the colosseum, everything, dude, Like they just like disavowed him 578 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: mission impossible style, Like you got got caught because apparently 579 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: um uh that agent Lake Lloyd who sued the Bush 580 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: family and OH seven for allegedly not repaying two d 581 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: ninety thousand dollars worth of gifts. So USC got put on. 582 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: You know, they didn't get the smu death penalty, but 583 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: they got hit hard. They had the four ft thirties 584 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: scholarships over three years, bowl bands for two thousand and 585 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: ten eleven. Like, it was an extremely harsh penalty. But 586 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: USC maybe welcoming him back, which I believe is a 587 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: smart move for the university as far as recruiting and 588 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: all of that, But it is also the right thing 589 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: to do. Ralph. Yes, it's the right thing to do, 590 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: and I know that Reggie wants it, but part of me, 591 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: part of me wants him to juke them the way 592 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: he used to joke defenders on the field and just 593 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: not not take their forgiveness justice because it's garbage. It 594 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: was spin It was absolutely spineless of them to not 595 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: stand up to the n C double A at the 596 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 1: time and just say, like, do you realize the amount 597 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: of money you made off of this man? Like USC 598 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: could have just left. They could have just like left 599 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: and C double A altogether just I mean, like they 600 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: I wish they would have gone to bad for this man. 601 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: This is of my lifetime, a top three college football player, Yeah, 602 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: and a good man you know who breaks heart like 603 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: I see him. I've talked to him about this heart 604 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 1: not being at USC, and history is going to look 605 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: upon him so ridiculously favorably that we're not even going 606 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: to believe that we ever were at the point we 607 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 1: are going to laugh at the idea that there was 608 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: ever a penalty imposed on USC for what happened in 609 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 1: that situation. Um, because it looks how effective it was, right, Like, uh, 610 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: and the n c A double A still at it. 611 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: I mean, they just hit a basketball team with a 612 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: postseason man and you put University of Arizona at serious risk. Um. 613 00:37:55,239 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: But I I know that Reggie wants this, and I 614 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: know that it wasn't entirely USC's fault, and I know 615 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: the red Reggie Bush bears some responsibility in this as well. 616 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: But part of me is just like, man, like, they 617 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: could have fought for you, and they didn't. That's the 618 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: part that I don't like, because they should have fought 619 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: for him. It was the right thing to do. And 620 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: when you make tens of millions of dollars off of 621 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: somebody's back, I mean, because he was the face. I mean, 622 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: he was even bigger than Matt Liner. And Matt Line 623 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,800 Speaker 1: is one of the best back twelve quarterbacks of all time, 624 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: and and but Reggie Bush, like every kid wanted to 625 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: be Reggie Bush. I was in the prose watching Reggie 626 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: Bush because he's a couple of years younger than me, 627 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, Bro, this dude is cold. I 628 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 1: have a Reggie Bush. I just just cleaning out my garage. 629 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: I've assigned Reggie Bush jersey in my garage in and 630 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: my son was like, Dad, you have a signed Reggie Bush. 631 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: Why don't you put that thing up? How many how 632 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: many other dudes jerseys do you have? For context of like, oh, 633 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: I ironically as we're going through this, so I had 634 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of my other teammates like Fred uh, Fred Taylor, 635 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: Maurice Jones, Drew Donovan, Darius Byron Leftwich, m David Garrard, 636 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: She mathis I have all their signed jersey's. Um, I 637 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: have a Drew Brees signed. And my wife was like, uh, 638 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: because she said, George, you should you should put somebodyse 639 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: jerseys up And I started pulling them out. She was like, uh, 640 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: We're not putting the Drew Brees up right now. Um. 641 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb, Tony Gonzalez, Jamal Lewis, Ray Lewis, um Alan 642 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: iverson a ride and like a couple of other like 643 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: of my friends like Sammy, Sam Parker and Dario Smith 644 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: like stuff like that, like guy guys that went to 645 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: Oregon with Helot Nada all that. This is how like, 646 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: this is how good Reggie Bush was. He went to 647 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: the NFL. He had like nine thousand total yards or 648 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: something like that, and um like over over fifty touchdowns. 649 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,320 Speaker 1: I think, uh, he could have had zero yards and 650 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: zero touchdowns and it would not have affected his legacy 651 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: at all. People don't give a crap about he was 652 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: so good in college. And I don't know that any 653 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 1: other sport works like this. I don't know that any 654 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: other sport can can have you not hurt your legacy 655 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,360 Speaker 1: by your NFL performance or by your pro performance. Because 656 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: Vince Young is always gonna be Vince Young, Reggie Bush 657 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: is always gonna be Reggie Bush, regardless of how things 658 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: went in the pros. Well, that's my opinion. I don't 659 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: think that can happen in basketball. Like Adam Morrison got 660 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: ruined by the NBA. Yep, Jerry Stackhouse his he was 661 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: never what what he was in college like that. It 662 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: just it doesn't seem like college does that for anyone 663 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: else at any other level except for just football. Like 664 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: you can be a college football legend, never do a 665 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: thing in the NFL, and you can forever remain with 666 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: with the legacy that you have. A university is for forever. 667 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: That's why he wants to go back because like he 668 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: played for the Saints, the Dolphins, the Lions, San Francisco, 669 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:46,399 Speaker 1: and Buffalo, and like, there's no love any of those 670 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: places really except for the Saints kind of. But if 671 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: you look at his career, nine thousand yards, over nine 672 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: thousand yards, over fifty touchdowns, which is a solid career. 673 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: But for Reggie Bush, that that's like under a eving, 674 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, compared to what people thought it was gonna be. 675 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: Even though that's a eleven year really good career, Like 676 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,759 Speaker 1: that's solid. It's not Hall of Fame, but it that's 677 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: a solid career, solid career for a dude who did 678 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: not fit the league at the time he was in 679 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: it and who played for garbage teams. Yep. Oh oh, 680 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: if if he were in the league now, dude, he 681 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: would be ripping it up. Oh for sure. Had dude 682 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: he had a hundred and sixty one catches in his 683 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: first two seasons, yea, he would definitely be much more appreciated. 684 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: But the only thing about it, though, is that I 685 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: don't think that Reggie made a good move when he 686 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: gave his Heisman trophy back. They would have had to 687 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: rip that thing from my dead, lifeless hands. I won 688 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: that trophy. Everybody knows I wanted. I'm not giving it 689 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: back to you, Like there was no advantage to him 690 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: giving the trophy back. It didn't help U s C. 691 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: It didn't like nothing was gained by giving the heisman 692 00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: trophy back. Yeah, that needs to I mean, what's next 693 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: is he going to get that back? Dude with the name, 694 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: image and likeness stuff coming through and the n C 695 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: Double A losing another battle with Austin versus the n 696 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: C Double A, which is caps the it's the lawsuit 697 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: that Austin filed against the n C Double A for 698 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: saying that the um that the value of a scholarship 699 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: should be kept at the cost of attendance. And so 700 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: I'll put a link to some articles about that that 701 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: we've written on on Afraid Show because we've covered that extensively. Um. Yeah, 702 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: so like they've lost more on that fight, and so 703 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: if the rules are changed, how can you still hold 704 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: this against him? Right? All I all I know is 705 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: he needs to wait to get his heisman given back 706 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,160 Speaker 1: to him, because there's another US running back who did 707 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: not go about it that way, who had to do 708 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: a ten year stint in prison. So just hold up 709 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,839 Speaker 1: weight and and hope that they give that Trophy back 710 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,400 Speaker 1: to you. I wouldn't They wouldn't need to give it 711 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: back to me. They wouldn't need to give it back 712 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 1: to me, because there's no way they would have got 713 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: it back to it to begin with. He Yeah, I'm 714 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: gonna ask him specifically about that. Do you wish you 715 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: had kept the Heisman trophy? My guess is it's gonna 716 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: be yes. Um onto the next thing, though, Will there 717 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: be a Heisman Trophy given out in is the question? 718 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: Because um just, I mean, like time is passing by 719 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,720 Speaker 1: so fast and so slowly at the same time, because 720 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: like so much has happened, like it started out with 721 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, I mean, and that feels like two years 722 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: ago at this point in point in time. That's how 723 00:44:54,080 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: crazy is been. And and COVID was rampant. Everybody was terrified, 724 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: on loose, social distancing in the house all of this, 725 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: and then states were like, we're opening back up, everything's fine, 726 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: we overreacted, nothing the hell is going wrong? And then 727 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: Memorial Day happened, people all out and all this and 728 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: now uh, COVID numbers for the state of Florida and 729 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: for your home state of Arizona. For Ralph who opened 730 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: up set. We're open for sports. We're open pro sports. 731 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: Come down here to Arizona. Numbers are spiking. Uh are 732 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: you remember two podcasts ago we talked about this and 733 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,240 Speaker 1: I said and I was like, no, dude, I'm still scared. 734 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: Like I am not cautiously optimistic. I am living day 735 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: by day, minute by minute on what if stuff will 736 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,040 Speaker 1: get shut down? Are you getting Are your alarm bells 737 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: going back off? Ralph? Yeah? Man, I got I got 738 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: two people in my on my staff. How here that right? 739 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: For my website? Who's who either have an in law 740 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,479 Speaker 1: or a parent, um, who is fighting COVID right now? 741 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: And it's you know, for one of them, it's going 742 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: really really poorly UM. And you know one of them 743 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: neither one of those cases and is in Arizona. But well, 744 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: I think when you when you know people or like 745 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: the my kids youth pastor you know it killed his grandfather, 746 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, and and you start to know some people 747 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: who who went through it, it becomes less about the 748 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: numbers and more about a very real thing that you 749 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 1: can have a part in trying to curb um by 750 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, practicing good sanitation in your own life, by 751 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,319 Speaker 1: being courteous and um, conscientious by wearing a mask when 752 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: you go to the grocery store, if you you know, 753 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: if you have to go shopping, by not going out 754 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,439 Speaker 1: to a bar just because our governors said that you can. 755 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: You know, um that if you are going out to 756 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: exercise your constitutional right to make your voice heard in protest, 757 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: that you still realize there's a virus out there and 758 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,319 Speaker 1: you act accordingly. Um. All of those things have to 759 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: be very very um much at the forefront of what 760 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 1: you're doing. I've continued to stay home. The high school 761 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: football and college football seasons are at risk out here. 762 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: But we're we've jumped two in our cases just in 763 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,919 Speaker 1: the last week. And that's without the protest numbers hitting yet. 764 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: And I'm genuinely scared. I mean, let's put it this way. 765 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: Banner Hospitals, the network of Banner Hospitals in Arizona, tweeted 766 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: out that all of their ECMO machines are being used 767 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: right now. That's a heart and lung bypass machine like 768 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 1: it pumps blood for you and works as um it, 769 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: it keeps you alive. Right My daughter was on one 770 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,399 Speaker 1: for five days, kept her alive, saved her life and 771 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: if all of those machines are being used right now 772 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,719 Speaker 1: and somebody has a situation like I had where their 773 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,879 Speaker 1: kids needs one to stay alive, their kids gonna die, 774 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:08,400 Speaker 1: and that, I mean, those are not I'm not fearmongering. 775 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: That's real and that's happening now. And so you know, 776 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to just chill at home. I 777 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: got I'm knee deep in forty different garden projects around 778 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,279 Speaker 1: the house, um doing all of them poorly, But I'm 779 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: just trying to stay busy, trying to stay home. My 780 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: family had a camping trip booked, we canceled all of that. 781 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: We got an airbnb out in the middle of nowhere, 782 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: and we're just gonna go quarantine elsewhere in the mountains, 783 00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: assuming the State of Arizona lets us leave and it 784 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: doesn't continue to get get worse. But I can't imagine 785 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: if we had allowed all of the baseball teams and 786 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,760 Speaker 1: all the basketball teams to come to Arizona and then 787 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: open things up the way they did, how much we 788 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: would have endangered all of those athletes. And so I 789 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I see it spike in all of 790 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: the country, and we did our part to flatten the curve, 791 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: but the curve can still make a jump. I think 792 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,280 Speaker 1: people are acting like it's not a big deal anymore, 793 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: and and um, I don't. I just don't think that's 794 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,359 Speaker 1: the best choice. I just don't. Okay, I get if 795 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: you want to go back to normal all that stuff, 796 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: but I'm just like, wear a mask, wear a mask like. 797 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 1: It's like men have told me, I don't want to 798 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: wear a mask. It looks funny, like drop drop your pride, 799 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: like one of those black ones. Look cool as hell, 800 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: Like who didn't want to look like a freaking g 801 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: I Joe as a kid. They look awesome. It's they 802 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,840 Speaker 1: just don't want to what what everybody's afraid of is 803 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,879 Speaker 1: The thing that you and I had a long ass 804 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: conversation about was the feeling when you go to the 805 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: grocery store and you're locking eyes with other afraid people. 806 00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: People are sick of being afraid. They're fatigued of it. 807 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,160 Speaker 1: And now it's not just that, but like the cool 808 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: country is on fire with rage over completely different thing. 809 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: There is no escaping your emotions. You just have them. 810 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: And so people think that if you act all right, 811 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,919 Speaker 1: you are all right. And and it's just not the case. 812 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: Like it's okay. God gave you emotions for a reason. 813 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 1: You don't have to like be taken over by them, 814 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 1: but lean into them when they're reasonable. It isn't that. 815 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: The thing though, just in general, is when you just 816 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,320 Speaker 1: try to act okay when you're not okay, you're not okay. Still, 817 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,280 Speaker 1: like that doesn't make you okay. Yeah, how many toothaches 818 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:43,200 Speaker 1: have you powered through? Well? Yeah, exactly, dude. And then 819 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: it ended up having to get a crown at the 820 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: end of day. Um oh yeah. So at the end 821 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: of the day though, with this COVID thing, I am 822 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: just going to be severely I'm I will be hot 823 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,040 Speaker 1: as fish grease, dude. I will be piste off to 824 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,920 Speaker 1: the highest levels of pestivity. If they screw up football season. 825 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,439 Speaker 1: You've been saying that, You've been saying that for seven weeks, dude. 826 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: If if football season gets gets college football season gets missed, dude, 827 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 1: I am I am going to be spitting venom and 828 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: rage at the just at the highest levels of just 829 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 1: like with the power of a thousand sons man, because 830 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,959 Speaker 1: like I already already had co Kobe Bryant dye, which 831 00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: was just just devastating to me. Personally. Then then then 832 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 1: my my Lakers, who I felt were just on just 833 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: a destiny run to win a championship was gonna make 834 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,440 Speaker 1: things better about Kobe dyeing all of this stuff. NBA 835 00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 1: season get get gets canceled, well postponed, and we'll we'll 836 00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: see what happens with COVID numbers, because that may go 837 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: the way the White Buffalo too. I I just if 838 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,800 Speaker 1: football season they gets canceled. My Oregon Ducks are supposed 839 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: to be be good, really good, the defense play Ohio 840 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 1: State and just and just getting just I just love 841 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 1: college football with all my heart, Ralph, and if it 842 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: is missing, I will just I can't even tell you 843 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,480 Speaker 1: how devastated I will be. I I just And then 844 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,840 Speaker 1: then my kids won't be able to have games. And 845 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,240 Speaker 1: that's one of my highlights of my life is going 846 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: to their games. Like it makes me so happy, brings 847 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: me so much joy, dude. I will just be just crushed, bro, 848 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,280 Speaker 1: just crushed. Well. I mean, so this came out yesterday, 849 00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: and you tell me how you feel about this. These 850 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: fourteen states just hit their highest seven day average of 851 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 1: COVID cases. Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, your home state of California, Florida, Kentucky, 852 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: New Mexico, North Carolina, Mississippi, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee. Ready 853 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:12,960 Speaker 1: for this one, Texas, Utah, and Puerto Rico. So that's 854 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: fourteen states that are on an upward trend. Now does 855 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 1: that mean everybody else follow suit? Or is this as 856 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: bad as it's going to get? I say, buckle up, man, 857 00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:30,560 Speaker 1: But if people don't start acting more responsibly with their freedom, 858 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:40,960 Speaker 1: they're going to lose their freedom and that's their privileges. Yeah, yeah, bro, 859 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,439 Speaker 1: I just I just can't make sense of it. And 860 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 1: and this is one of those things where at the 861 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,280 Speaker 1: end of the day, this will be and I told 862 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 1: you so for a lot of people. But this is 863 00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,440 Speaker 1: one that I have wanted to be wrong about. Like 864 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: where where I thought because not for any of my 865 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,160 Speaker 1: own thinking. I was like, I'm gonna listen to what 866 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: the scientists say. Granted they're not all the way right 867 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: because they're dealing with something they hadn't dealt with before. 868 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't even know how this is. 869 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,719 Speaker 1: I don't care whether it's man made by you know, 870 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 1: by Bill Gates or China or you're I don't care. 871 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: I just care about the it's it's It's like when 872 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,839 Speaker 1: I have a problem, my my wife wants to talk 873 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: about it, so like she cares about the why. I 874 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: don't care about the why. I just want the problem solved. 875 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,680 Speaker 1: So so I don't care about the origins. I don't 876 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: care about George sorrels. I don't care about you know 877 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: the all right, I don't care about any of this 878 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: as it relates to the virus. Just do not mess Like. 879 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: I just cared about the science surrounding it and how 880 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,680 Speaker 1: do we fix it and if we don't, And when 881 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: people didn't want to listen, just I just I just 882 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,839 Speaker 1: couldn't make sense of it. But I was hoping that 883 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,719 Speaker 1: they were wrong, and I'm I'm sorry, hoping that they 884 00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,280 Speaker 1: were right. And I'm still hoping that they're right. However, 885 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: my brain tells me and what life tells me, is 886 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,880 Speaker 1: that they probably are not correct, that it's probably closer 887 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,479 Speaker 1: to what the scientists said. All I know is we've 888 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: we've at least been on a downward trend as far 889 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: as people passing away because of this. The highest day 890 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,279 Speaker 1: was May six, that's a month ago, and that was 891 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: people in a day, very devastating and dark day for 892 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: our country. What I worry about is, you know, over 893 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: the last few days, we've probably been averaging somewhere around 894 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, like eight hundred people a day. If 895 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:57,360 Speaker 1: there's fourteen states that are peaking now, is that going 896 00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,680 Speaker 1: to go back up? I mean that's yes, And I 897 00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: hate that these are people if and get it, there's 898 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,040 Speaker 1: going to be people who die. But the but the 899 00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: but the other thing is this, So there have been 900 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: what eleven days of protests in the country at this 901 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:21,160 Speaker 1: point in the point in time, eleven days, and um, 902 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:26,240 Speaker 1: I personally do not believe that. I have no evidence 903 00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: to prove this, but rationally it makes sense to me 904 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 1: that less people have been getting tested in these cities 905 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: for COVID during this time because they because people haven't 906 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: felt safe to leave their house or they're protesting or 907 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,359 Speaker 1: something along those lines. So I think that, you know, 908 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,040 Speaker 1: businesses have been shut down all of this. People have 909 00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: been wanting to protect their own personal safety, and all 910 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,760 Speaker 1: of this is worried about Antifa, worried about whatever else. 911 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,799 Speaker 1: National Guard curfews have been in every city. I think 912 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: that there have been less people getting tested then probably 913 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,799 Speaker 1: would have been testing. Emmy am. Do you think I'm 914 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,160 Speaker 1: wrong with that? Do you think there's less people getting 915 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,680 Speaker 1: tested now, or there's less people getting tested? Then there 916 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: should be um, oh yeah, less people getting tested then 917 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 1: there should be. Just over the last eleven days, I 918 00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: think yeah, I mean, I'm I'm somebody they told us. 919 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 1: You know, if you go out to one of these protests, 920 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: then you should treat it like you've come into contact 921 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: with it and you should probably go get tested. Um. 922 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: I went to one and my instead of getting tested, Um, 923 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm staying home. So it's been eight days. Um, I'm 924 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 1: I think I'm good, But I'm gonna wait a few more, right, Like, 925 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna um, but if if I even get 926 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,480 Speaker 1: a sniffle, man, you know, I'm gonna figure figure out 927 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,800 Speaker 1: a way to go to go get a test, because 928 00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want, Um, I don't want to 929 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,120 Speaker 1: put anybody else in in in unnecessary risk. And I'm 930 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: potentially in your in your home. Yeah yeah, And and 931 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,920 Speaker 1: and I know that you would rather sleep in the 932 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: sleep in the corner neck next to the ivy bears 933 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 1: then potentially put her at risk exactly exactly, and you know, 934 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: and I just don't know what she can and can't 935 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,760 Speaker 1: handle it, rather not find out if I if if 936 00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,600 Speaker 1: I can't avoid it. You know, Um, I'm not I'm 937 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: not one of those parents that takes their kids to 938 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 1: a chicken pox party, you know, especially when I'm seeing 939 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 1: what chicken box can do to one of my kids. 940 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: So um. Yeah, and and so that you know, you're 941 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: probably right that there are a lot of people who 942 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,040 Speaker 1: are doing what I'm doing, who maybe went out into 943 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: the streets and made their voice heard and uh and 944 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: then they're shutting it down just going home. And my 945 00:58:52,000 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: family did too, Yeah, exactly. Um, well, I'm confused by 946 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: what happened. So a story came out and I feel 947 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 1: like it just got just you know, it was almost 948 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,720 Speaker 1: like one of those Friday news dumps where you know, 949 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,920 Speaker 1: they were companies put out bad news on Friday because 950 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna die in the news cycle and they hope 951 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:23,760 Speaker 1: something bad happens over the weekend to to dominate the story. Uh. 952 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,440 Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like happened with Michael Turk, 953 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: the Arizona State Hunter, getting granted being able to come 954 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,440 Speaker 1: back to the n C double A after declaring for 955 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:42,160 Speaker 1: the draft, hiring an agent right and then not going 956 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640 Speaker 1: drafted and then able to come back, even though I 957 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,800 Speaker 1: do believe players should be able to do that. This 958 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 1: is the first time that this is ever, ever, ever happened, 959 00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:57,240 Speaker 1: and I was just floored. But nobody acted like it 960 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,160 Speaker 1: was a big deal. Yeah, there were there was a 961 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 1: couple a couple of thoughts on this. A lot of 962 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,439 Speaker 1: people thought that it was stupid of him to leave 963 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: with two years of eligibility left. I don't think you 964 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and I were among them, um, because I don't know 965 01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 1: if you can get better than he was. Yeah. Yeah, 966 01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: I was also surprised he didn't get drafted, and also 967 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:25,160 Speaker 1: especially since like the Patriots drafted a dude with like 968 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: a super far right tant ps that has not been 969 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,680 Speaker 1: in the news for if the NFL draft was today 970 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 1: and that happened, oh my god, there's no chance he 971 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: would be drafted. All right, he had moved to New Zealand, 972 01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,960 Speaker 1: but so hey, go go play rugby, right, But so 973 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 1: there were kickers and punters picked and he wasn't one 974 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 1: of them, which was a little bit surprising. I think 975 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,320 Speaker 1: you and I both feel like if he had the 976 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to work out for teams that something would have 977 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: gotten figured out, but he can't work out for teams 978 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: because of the situation that we found ourselves in. And 979 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 1: that's the basis of the n c double A allowing 980 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,960 Speaker 1: him to come back to school to a school that 981 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,520 Speaker 1: already accepted a grad transfer punter from Florida State. So 982 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 1: there exists a world in which Michael Turk declares for 983 01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, goes to the Combine, hires an agent, 984 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,000 Speaker 1: comes back to a s U, loses the kicking job, 985 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,440 Speaker 1: waits a year, punts for Arizona State a year from now, 986 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,800 Speaker 1: then goes back to the NFL Combine to be the 987 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:39,520 Speaker 1: only two time NFL Combine participant in college football history. 988 01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Do you think this is a one offer? Do you 989 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 1: think it sets a precedent, because I think it would 990 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,720 Speaker 1: be fantastic for student athletes to have the option. If 991 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:55,240 Speaker 1: you're Hunter Bryant, aren't you trying to uh? Aren't you 992 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,080 Speaker 1: trying to go down this road too? Or if you 993 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: are the um uh Trey Adams at Washington as well, 994 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: aren't you trying to go down this road? Undrafted? Yeah? 995 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean Salvin, I'm mad, I'm trying to go down 996 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: this road. I try to go down that road if 997 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,080 Speaker 1: I was a fifth round pick to Cleveland, so like 998 01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 1: I'd be likely. But but what do you if a 999 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,520 Speaker 1: school is full on scholarships? What do you do? Are 1000 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,280 Speaker 1: you allowed to take money from an agent to fund 1001 01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: your last year of education, because then you wouldn't be 1002 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: on scholarship and there's new rules about money you you 1003 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 1: can and can't take. I bet, I bet you anything 1004 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,920 Speaker 1: that it would be easier, um, for someone to to 1005 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,400 Speaker 1: become a national name for getting snubbed in the NFL 1006 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: draft and then find a way to parlay that into 1007 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,640 Speaker 1: some possible sponsorship deals when they come back for the 1008 01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,400 Speaker 1: rest of their eligibility in college. Um, there's ways that 1009 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. It sets a very interesting precedent, and 1010 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I like that it was for a very specific reason 1011 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 1: because it doesn't put the n C double A in 1012 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,640 Speaker 1: a place where they have to say, all right, this 1013 01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: door is open now because this is a one off 1014 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:17,360 Speaker 1: due to a pandemic. Uh. What I thought was very 1015 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,200 Speaker 1: interesting was Arizona State making it seem like because the 1016 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,720 Speaker 1: staff at Arizona State has a lot of pro connections, 1017 01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,520 Speaker 1: that they are the one who got him back to 1018 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,560 Speaker 1: I think there was like, uh, there was like a 1019 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 1: hashtag maybe's from Antonio Pierce or somebody like that was like, 1020 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,640 Speaker 1: it's who you know? And I was like, all right, 1021 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: well you're making it seem like so like, is what's 1022 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: the appeal in that? Like, Hey, I got I should 1023 01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,640 Speaker 1: go to Arizona State because then if I don't get drafted, 1024 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 1: I could always come back. It's who you know. If 1025 01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: it's who you know, then you would have got drafted. 1026 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:58,160 Speaker 1: You can't. Uh anyway, dude, Yes, it's one of those things. Yeah, yeah, 1027 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,280 Speaker 1: you want to use it one way. I wish had 1028 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,080 Speaker 1: seen that that tweet how I would have applied and 1029 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,000 Speaker 1: I would have been like, Okay, well how come to 1030 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,280 Speaker 1: them people that that you know didn't get him drafted? 1031 01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 1: That so you can get him back in school, but 1032 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: you can't get him drafted. All right, let me know 1033 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: how that works out for you. But I do, ultimately 1034 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,400 Speaker 1: I think that this is gonna work out for for 1035 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Turk because if you're Arizona State, you're kind of in 1036 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 1: a weird spot because okay, so if you're the grad 1037 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: transfer from Florida State, if you try to transfer again, 1038 01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,320 Speaker 1: well they then grant you a waiver to play immediately 1039 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,960 Speaker 1: because of what happened there they should, honestly, because they're 1040 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: turke away. This is their fault. The kid's name is 1041 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Logan Tyler. He's a good punter. He he has he 1042 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:50,360 Speaker 1: has fifty career punts over fifty yards, so he's got 1043 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,000 Speaker 1: a ton of experience. Um, there are college teams all 1044 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,680 Speaker 1: over the country would want this guy. Also, it's gonna 1045 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,440 Speaker 1: be a fight, yeah, yeah, no, this is like a 1046 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,080 Speaker 1: legit kicker battle, which I'm super excited about me and 1047 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,640 Speaker 1: these are two good punters. Well, hey, how is it 1048 01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,439 Speaker 1: that a s Q is gonna a s is gonna 1049 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,640 Speaker 1: end up with more punter drama than kicker drama? And 1050 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 1: last year they had a kicker quit in the middle 1051 01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: of the season and end up at Mississippi State. So 1052 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,720 Speaker 1: you just you never know what this Arizona State Special 1053 01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: Teams Dude, Arizona States a mess, just just to begin with. 1054 01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,880 Speaker 1: But UM a s U speaking of a sue. They 1055 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: put out a big time statement the a SU was 1056 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: a s U. The twenty two of a sue. It's 1057 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 1: called WE twenty two and it's like twenty two black 1058 01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: administrators slash assistant coaches at the school. UM put out 1059 01:05:53,360 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: a very very specific, very detailed statement about the history 1060 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:07,360 Speaker 1: of black America and what Arizona States specifically seeks to 1061 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:13,800 Speaker 1: do to help bridge that gap and elevate the black community. Um. 1062 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,160 Speaker 1: It was probably the most specific and detailed thing I've 1063 01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,240 Speaker 1: seen put out from any school. But the thing is, 1064 01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,480 Speaker 1: this wasn't put out from the school. This is put 1065 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,600 Speaker 1: out from a group of people out of school, So 1066 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 1: it's not like it's sanctioned per se. And Herm Edwards 1067 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,360 Speaker 1: name is not on this. He's not one of the 1068 01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:37,000 Speaker 1: twenty two. Um, which is interesting. Uh. And I'm sure 1069 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,560 Speaker 1: he'll be questioned about why his name is not on it, 1070 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: and maybe it was just meant to be left to 1071 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,600 Speaker 1: assistants and admins and staffers and things like that. Um. 1072 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,640 Speaker 1: But this is I mean, this is heavy. You saw, 1073 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you and I read it together before we 1074 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: started recording. This is like, I hope every school puts 1075 01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,640 Speaker 1: out some version of this to let fan. I mean, 1076 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: it called out the fans, right like in part it 1077 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:12,200 Speaker 1: called out the fans for for basically for rooting for 1078 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:13,960 Speaker 1: them for what they do for your school, but not 1079 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 1: understanding what they in the gap they have to make 1080 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,800 Speaker 1: up to prove that their life matters in other situations. 1081 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 1: And that it's historical and that it's deep, deep, deep 1082 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,960 Speaker 1: seated in society. And I mean it names you know, 1083 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,480 Speaker 1: George Floyd and Derrick Chovin by name. It is. It's 1084 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:40,120 Speaker 1: a lot um and it's it's very interesting to see 1085 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,440 Speaker 1: how this will play because the deep, deep, deep cynic 1086 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,480 Speaker 1: in me of just someone who covers college football is like, well, 1087 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,439 Speaker 1: are they trying to recruit with this? And if you're 1088 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: putting twenty two names on it, and a lot of 1089 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 1: these are people who switch schools from year to year, 1090 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, is it some thing that is a continued program. 1091 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,760 Speaker 1: I see some names on there of people who are 1092 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 1: at a s U year in, year out, and they're 1093 01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: working the student Success Office to help with like graduation. 1094 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 1: You know, they've got Jack Jack Jack Jones from USC 1095 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,439 Speaker 1: who got kicked out for academics made the deans list 1096 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 1: this year, So maybe they are doing these exact things. 1097 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 1: I just you know, you and I talked about and 1098 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,479 Speaker 1: I think you echoed some same sentence like what does 1099 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:31,519 Speaker 1: it mean? Yeah? Yeah, And with everything that has been 1100 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,559 Speaker 1: going on, it has been popular and mandated for people 1101 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,960 Speaker 1: to make statements. And we're gonna see over the coming 1102 01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:45,640 Speaker 1: weeks months years, who is really about that action and 1103 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,240 Speaker 1: who was really just about the lip service to make 1104 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,639 Speaker 1: sure that they don't get canceled or called out? Would 1105 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,719 Speaker 1: you if you worked at one of these schools, would 1106 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,880 Speaker 1: you say anything without talking to your players first? Because 1107 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,719 Speaker 1: I was listening to a packed Well the Pactwel podcast, 1108 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,240 Speaker 1: the Pactwell Network podcast with Kevin Sumlin, and he very 1109 01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,800 Speaker 1: much pointed out how important he thought it was to 1110 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:11,759 Speaker 1: talk with his players before having to release any type 1111 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:13,759 Speaker 1: of statement. If you if you haven't heard it, please 1112 01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,920 Speaker 1: give it a listen. It's fantastic. Um. But he you know, 1113 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,200 Speaker 1: would you be putting stuff out like this without like 1114 01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,559 Speaker 1: would you run it by all the student athletes? Would 1115 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,920 Speaker 1: you just trust your I would trust your gut well 1116 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,400 Speaker 1: as a as a coach, as of me being a 1117 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,200 Speaker 1: black person, I feel like there's a level of this 1118 01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,479 Speaker 1: that I could speak about on my own, but as 1119 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,200 Speaker 1: the leader of a team, I'm gonna talk to my 1120 01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:47,759 Speaker 1: team because we've seen what what happens when coaches don't, 1121 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,400 Speaker 1: and because because players are very vocal and the best 1122 01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 1: players who know that they have a platform and a voice, 1123 01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,080 Speaker 1: like uh, what what what's named? Marvin ben Wilson yeah, 1124 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,040 Speaker 1: well mart Wilson Florida State. Marvin Wilson calling out Mike 1125 01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:07,280 Speaker 1: norvell might be the best thing to happen in all 1126 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: of college football this offseason. Yes, because Mike nor Norvelle 1127 01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,439 Speaker 1: If you don't know, he posted and said, oh, I 1128 01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,639 Speaker 1: talked to each of the players individually about this and 1129 01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,200 Speaker 1: the race and all of this, and Marvin Lewis called 1130 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,040 Speaker 1: him out. Was like, full cap, homie, this didn't happen. 1131 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:28,840 Speaker 1: That's a lie, like yo, like you called the head 1132 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:33,120 Speaker 1: coach out. On twit Andy said, the team is not 1133 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna work out until they get it straight like that was. 1134 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,000 Speaker 1: And if you don't know who Marvin Wilson is, he 1135 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,960 Speaker 1: is Rivals number two overall player from the class of 1136 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,400 Speaker 1: He he did a big deal his whole time. And 1137 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,120 Speaker 1: he could have gone in the draft this year and 1138 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,800 Speaker 1: either been a first or second round draft pick probably, 1139 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,120 Speaker 1: but no, he wants that that high. He wants to 1140 01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,160 Speaker 1: be a top ten pick, which I do not blame 1141 01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,760 Speaker 1: him for coming coming back. It makes sense because that 1142 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,360 Speaker 1: was the right move that he felt for him. But 1143 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:06,880 Speaker 1: the fact that that means that he's so well respected 1144 01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:10,559 Speaker 1: with his teammates and that he that he's talked to 1145 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,519 Speaker 1: his teammates and they've agreed not to work out until 1146 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,400 Speaker 1: it gets worked out. But Mike Norvelle, who's new around there, 1147 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,080 Speaker 1: like he has more power than Mike Norville, And Mike 1148 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: Norvelle's the head coach, which is uh, which is how 1149 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,240 Speaker 1: it should be. I mean you you're the like if 1150 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,439 Speaker 1: you were the team captain. I always say this, um, 1151 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,519 Speaker 1: you know when, especially when it came down to the 1152 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,000 Speaker 1: fact that like you can cut players now. Um, players 1153 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,919 Speaker 1: who choose to take a scholarship to go play football 1154 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,120 Speaker 1: at a school are more of that school. They have 1155 01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,240 Speaker 1: more of that school in their blood than anyone who 1156 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:52,439 Speaker 1: accepts a paycheck to be the coach. Like, it doesn't 1157 01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,240 Speaker 1: matter what school it is in the you know, Um, 1158 01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,720 Speaker 1: it could be anyone anywhere. If you choose is a 1159 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,120 Speaker 1: school and you have other options, and you go there 1160 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:10,400 Speaker 1: and you give them free labor. Um, you know, I 1161 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,360 Speaker 1: think and and people are gonna take issue with the 1162 01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,120 Speaker 1: word free, but guess what, it's It's an exchange. Like 1163 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:23,920 Speaker 1: it's it's yeah, like you're you're not compensated. You're you're 1164 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,639 Speaker 1: not People who say, like, well, you're getting paid through 1165 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 1: a scholarship, Like no, that's the trade. And then you know, 1166 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,040 Speaker 1: and then from there you make those guys a lot 1167 01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,920 Speaker 1: of money. Um, that's really the way it should be. 1168 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,200 Speaker 1: Players should have a lot more power. And what came 1169 01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:41,080 Speaker 1: of this is one of the most beautiful things I've 1170 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,759 Speaker 1: ever seen in college football. Not only did they work 1171 01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: it out, Marvin Wilson in effect held that entire program hostage. 1172 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,360 Speaker 1: And the ransom that he demanded was like more programming 1173 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:59,880 Speaker 1: around Tallahassee for kids and single mothers and elementary school 1174 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and it was getting his teammates registered to vote. And 1175 01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,439 Speaker 1: the way he articulated it the next day was like, damn, 1176 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,439 Speaker 1: this dude could be president today. Like this dude will 1177 01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,960 Speaker 1: be a better option to be president today, and and 1178 01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:16,040 Speaker 1: and then you gotta give credit to Mike Norvell, who 1179 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,240 Speaker 1: like handlet with grazy's like yeah, that that was the 1180 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,479 Speaker 1: wrong way to talk about it, and Marvin, Uh, Marvin 1181 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,559 Speaker 1: Wilson used his voice, which is exactly what he should 1182 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,280 Speaker 1: have done. That was that was the most graceful owning 1183 01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,600 Speaker 1: of a mistake that I've ever seen any college coach. Do. 1184 01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:39,040 Speaker 1: Take notes Clemson, Um and lord cause debo, who who 1185 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,160 Speaker 1: I like? Bro like? Who who I had like? Because 1186 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,240 Speaker 1: he does having integrity sort of because he's such a 1187 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,519 Speaker 1: hypocrite on like that when like I got on his 1188 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: I ripped him on national television. Oh, I'm not gonna 1189 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,240 Speaker 1: oh the day that they started player playing paying the 1190 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,360 Speaker 1: players a day at day, I'm out here, who you're 1191 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,680 Speaker 1: making ninety million dollars? You ain't going to Yeah, No, 1192 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:07,000 Speaker 1: he's he And I think I think he just behavior. 1193 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,640 Speaker 1: I think Dabbo is a really good man, and I 1194 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:15,800 Speaker 1: think his success is it emanates from his goodness. Right, 1195 01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,559 Speaker 1: it's not an accident, but he's pretty tone deaf on 1196 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,679 Speaker 1: like getting caught out at a lake with a shirt 1197 01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: that says football matters in the middle of just trying 1198 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,599 Speaker 1: to get white people who admit black lives matter was weird. 1199 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,400 Speaker 1: It's just weird. Like the stuff that he's finding himself 1200 01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,400 Speaker 1: embroiled in is just bizarre. And he Yeah, anyway, I 1201 01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 1: don't want to get too much into the A, C. 1202 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,760 Speaker 1: C and SEC and and and all that stuff, but 1203 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,360 Speaker 1: I will say that that players like if players like 1204 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,520 Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson can show you that it's okay to exercise 1205 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:59,400 Speaker 1: your voice, then other other players definitely need to learn 1206 01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:00,960 Speaker 1: from that. And I think we saw a little bit 1207 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,839 Speaker 1: of that at University of Utah, not with current players 1208 01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,800 Speaker 1: but with former players, like tell your truth and and 1209 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,320 Speaker 1: if people push back, and they will push back. I 1210 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,960 Speaker 1: saw Florida State fans ripping him for doing that. I 1211 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,479 Speaker 1: saw Utah plenty of Utah fans trying to figure out 1212 01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,360 Speaker 1: which former player they wanted to rip for messing up 1213 01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,840 Speaker 1: their head coach in Waiting's life. Um, you know, just 1214 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,439 Speaker 1: don't be scared, use your voice. At the end of 1215 01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:29,519 Speaker 1: the day, you're the talent. They're the mercenaries, and you 1216 01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,080 Speaker 1: need to look at it that way. Yeah, and there's 1217 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,680 Speaker 1: no game without you, I mean, and we've seen that 1218 01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:40,000 Speaker 1: in other sports where where the NFL realized, hold up, 1219 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,080 Speaker 1: our players are black. We gotta get on the good 1220 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,519 Speaker 1: foot with this one, buddy, because, uh, because it was 1221 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,519 Speaker 1: going to be a mutiny. Had the NFL not spoken 1222 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,719 Speaker 1: up and said something concrete and tough, which which was 1223 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 1: just an echo of what the players had put out 1224 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:04,160 Speaker 1: the day before, but it would have been a absolute mutiny, bro. 1225 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,440 Speaker 1: They may not have been able to play play games. 1226 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,880 Speaker 1: It would have been really really bad, really really bad. Um. Yeah. 1227 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: So but the last thing we got up today, Ralph though, 1228 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:22,240 Speaker 1: is um oh okay, So before that, I got some 1229 01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:28,240 Speaker 1: news for you. I was scrolling on my timeline. Right, Okay, 1230 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,320 Speaker 1: there's a huge there are two huge music festivals. Well 1231 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,519 Speaker 1: obviously there's like, well there's more than that. There's like 1232 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:41,519 Speaker 1: E d C. There's Coachella, Uh Lapalooza, which is in 1233 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,760 Speaker 1: San franci Uh Chicago. Coachella is in you know, Palm Springs, 1234 01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:56,040 Speaker 1: and E d C is in Vegas and Coachella and 1235 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:03,680 Speaker 1: Coachella got moved to October, right because of COVID. Coachella 1236 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:16,920 Speaker 1: and Laploser just canceled. You know what. No oh where 1237 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:22,919 Speaker 1: Instagram quote unquote models gonna get all their content? That's 1238 01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:27,240 Speaker 1: That's a good question, buddy, That is a good question. 1239 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,560 Speaker 1: So I'm wondering. I'm like, if these people are canceling, 1240 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,519 Speaker 1: you know, and they just canceled. Now, so when these 1241 01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,000 Speaker 1: tests are starting to go up and all of this stuff, bro, 1242 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,839 Speaker 1: they they know something and everybody is denying it. And 1243 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be part of that. I told you so proud, 1244 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,040 Speaker 1: But I'm piste off because you're gonna ruin football for 1245 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:56,200 Speaker 1: me and I'm gonna say kind of words. Uh. The 1246 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: last thing is, uh, the there's a bunch of preseason 1247 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,160 Speaker 1: rankings that came out. There have been a bunch. You 1248 01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,360 Speaker 1: have the one for the on the n C double 1249 01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:14,200 Speaker 1: A dot com by um. You have the one on 1250 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:20,479 Speaker 1: n C double A dot com that has you know, 1251 01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 1: they have Oregon sitting at six. They have um HM, 1252 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:34,639 Speaker 1: this USC sitting at nineteen, and that in Arizona State 1253 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,200 Speaker 1: sitting at twenty five. There is the Sporting News which 1254 01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:44,200 Speaker 1: has Arizona State sitting at twenty one, Utah at eighteen, 1255 01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:51,680 Speaker 1: and Oregon sitting at the number six spots. Then you 1256 01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:58,360 Speaker 1: have CBS who has uh C. CBS has their rankings 1257 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:02,400 Speaker 1: that they've put out. Seven is put out rankings all 1258 01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:09,680 Speaker 1: of that which generally has um organs ranked Utah and 1259 01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:13,519 Speaker 1: some of them is ranked Arizona State is on the 1260 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:19,160 Speaker 1: CUSP or in most of them in USC. So where 1261 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,160 Speaker 1: do you look at these rankings and how do you 1262 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,719 Speaker 1: think that that votes for the Pack twelve going forward 1263 01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: in if there's football? Of course, well, preseason top twenty 1264 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:37,040 Speaker 1: five rankings are aren't usually as brutal as the Pack twelve. 1265 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,680 Speaker 1: Preseason rankings have a tendency to be um especially the 1266 01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,360 Speaker 1: last few years when people refuse to do anything, but 1267 01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, give USC the crown, um, and it hasn't 1268 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,720 Speaker 1: been happening with the regularity that it that it used to. 1269 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Uh this this looks pretty decent to me. UM for 1270 01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 1: a top twenty five I think, or again on the 1271 01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:04,360 Speaker 1: cusp of the college football playoff is something that we've 1272 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:09,400 Speaker 1: talked about on this podcast that we wouldn't be surprised by. 1273 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,920 Speaker 1: I do not hide the U Tah at eighteen makes 1274 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 1: no sense to me, absolutely not none at all. Like 1275 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,080 Speaker 1: even if not only did they lose their entire defense, 1276 01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,400 Speaker 1: they might could lose their defensive coordinator. Let's just let's 1277 01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,040 Speaker 1: let's hold off on that. I mean, if I'll tell you, 1278 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,680 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if Utah finishes the season in 1279 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,280 Speaker 1: the top. If they finished the season in the top, 1280 01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,960 Speaker 1: the debate will be forever over on who the PAC 1281 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,720 Speaker 1: twelves best coaches, because this team is not built to 1282 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,920 Speaker 1: make a to make a serious run. It just isn't. 1283 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe in a year, but they just peaked at 1284 01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:01,920 Speaker 1: that they had so much senior talent, so much and 1285 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,800 Speaker 1: they're not the type of team to to reload like that, 1286 01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,080 Speaker 1: not when still having to play a full nine games 1287 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:15,000 Speaker 1: against your own conference. UM, the Oregon being Oregon being 1288 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:19,640 Speaker 1: on the outside of l s U Georgia an Alabama 1289 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: UM makes sense to me. The real test is going 1290 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,840 Speaker 1: to be Ohio State early on right, um well and 1291 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,160 Speaker 1: North North Dakota State because they wanted the best quarterbacks 1292 01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,519 Speaker 1: in Yeah, exactly. And then Clemson being at number one 1293 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,360 Speaker 1: I think is also predicated on them having Justin Ross 1294 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,719 Speaker 1: who's gonna miss the whole season, so you know, maybe 1295 01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:47,040 Speaker 1: that has some type of effect, uh for them stock 1296 01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,640 Speaker 1: pile of of recruits at this point in point in 1297 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:54,679 Speaker 1: times that Devil's last four recruiting classes have been liped out, 1298 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,360 Speaker 1: I could see. What I don't like is no cow. 1299 01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:07,040 Speaker 1: I think that Cal should probably replace Utah or or 1300 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:13,479 Speaker 1: Arizona State. I I think I think Cal should probably 1301 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,040 Speaker 1: replace Arizona State. I don't think Utah should be in 1302 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,080 Speaker 1: there at all. And I think that maybe you bump 1303 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 1: everybody up one and put a s U around. Yeah. 1304 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:29,439 Speaker 1: I can't see a scenario where Utah finishes above eight 1305 01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:33,280 Speaker 1: and four. I cannot see a scenario I were we 1306 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:36,639 Speaker 1: we did the prediction show, I had them at seven 1307 01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:42,360 Speaker 1: and five, beating the y U, Middle Tennessee, Wyoming, Arizona 1308 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:49,080 Speaker 1: Oregon State, Colorado and Washington State and losing to cal USC, Washington, 1309 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:52,760 Speaker 1: U C l A, and Arizona State. If they are 1310 01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:59,000 Speaker 1: in the top, that would be like Kyle waiting Ham 1311 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:02,439 Speaker 1: should be the the the Pack twelve Coach of the 1312 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,320 Speaker 1: Year if and I'd probably kicked Kentucky out of here 1313 01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,200 Speaker 1: for USC two. Oh yeah, yeah, I could see. And 1314 01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:15,240 Speaker 1: U see is the very interesting team because you have 1315 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,519 Speaker 1: people who are so like it's one of those things 1316 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:25,280 Speaker 1: like you you look. Athalon rated their wide receiving corps 1317 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,640 Speaker 1: the best in the country, which it may be. It 1318 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,160 Speaker 1: was one of the best last year. They lost two 1319 01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,280 Speaker 1: dudes and still have one of the best wide receiver corps. 1320 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,840 Speaker 1: And but they got Keaton Slovia's their office of line 1321 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,519 Speaker 1: is going to be suspect. But when you have a 1322 01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:44,559 Speaker 1: quarterback and that good at wide receivers, you should be good. 1323 01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:51,200 Speaker 1: But you're running the the the the I was getting 1324 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,800 Speaker 1: ready to call it the running the running shoot the 1325 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,559 Speaker 1: air raid offense. Running the air raid offense, which we've 1326 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:04,839 Speaker 1: have discussed and nauseam isn't is a gimmick that teams 1327 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:10,040 Speaker 1: would inferior talent used to try to combat teams with 1328 01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:13,880 Speaker 1: with better talent and doesn't allow you to run the 1329 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:18,639 Speaker 1: ball effectively. So USC is gonna be like their own 1330 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:23,639 Speaker 1: worst enemy. And nobody believes in Clay Hilton. So people 1331 01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,200 Speaker 1: are like, this team is supreme lygue talent, their defense 1332 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,200 Speaker 1: is weird, Ken Todd Orlando get the defense going. But 1333 01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:34,759 Speaker 1: everybody's like, yeah, they'll finish eight and four, nine and three, 1334 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,120 Speaker 1: like if they finished, tended to it to be a 1335 01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,639 Speaker 1: miracle and like, but nine and nine and three may 1336 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:47,599 Speaker 1: not still even save Clay Hilton's job. Yeah, I mean 1337 01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:53,800 Speaker 1: at this point, I think the fans would rather if 1338 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:57,320 Speaker 1: if if the fans could go nine and three or 1339 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,960 Speaker 1: six and six and guarantee Clay Hilton got fired. What what 1340 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,840 Speaker 1: what do you think they pick six and six? And 1341 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: how weird is that? How weird is that because nine 1342 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,320 Speaker 1: and three means that you can make a great case 1343 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:16,200 Speaker 1: for him coming back, especially in your bowl game two 1344 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:26,080 Speaker 1: and don't get housed by Iowa. Yeah, I just I 1345 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: I guess I've never rooted for a team that had 1346 01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,439 Speaker 1: I've I've always rooted for like, if Wyoming goes six 1347 01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,599 Speaker 1: and six and goes to a bowl, I'm very happy. 1348 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,640 Speaker 1: Like so I can't imagine wanting my team to go 1349 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,840 Speaker 1: six and six instead of nine and three to get 1350 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,920 Speaker 1: a change at the top. But if they believe that 1351 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,120 Speaker 1: it's sort of like breaking a bone to reset it, 1352 01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:55,200 Speaker 1: then you gotta do what you gotta do. Yeah, And 1353 01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,760 Speaker 1: I think that the I think that this is going 1354 01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:03,160 Speaker 1: to be a comeback to reality year for Arizona State, 1355 01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,639 Speaker 1: that they will be ranked in the top twenty five 1356 01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:13,599 Speaker 1: at some point in time. But it's one of those 1357 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:17,040 Speaker 1: that fans that that the expectations are higher than the 1358 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:22,040 Speaker 1: talent level, like that the expectations are higher than that 1359 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:26,080 Speaker 1: even though that people are so high on Jaden Daniels 1360 01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:30,439 Speaker 1: all of this, it's like that they don't realize how 1361 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,960 Speaker 1: low the ceiling really is. If that if if if 1362 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:39,479 Speaker 1: that makes sense that that people believe that this is 1363 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:43,920 Speaker 1: a Pack twelve championship caliber team, but it's not. It's 1364 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: not like like overall they're not Like when you look 1365 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,160 Speaker 1: at from the bottom of the rosters to the tops 1366 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,760 Speaker 1: of the roster, they're not as talented as Oregon, they're 1367 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:58,080 Speaker 1: not as talented as USC they're not as talented as 1368 01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:02,720 Speaker 1: even Washington. So like they're not a team that I 1369 01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:05,880 Speaker 1: don't think can win the Pack twelve because you have 1370 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,640 Speaker 1: to look at it as a total package, like you 1371 01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,519 Speaker 1: have to run the entire gauntlet. Can they beat a 1372 01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,000 Speaker 1: team one off? Yeah, but to do it weekend and 1373 01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:19,680 Speaker 1: week out. They're just not built like that. You're not 1374 01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:23,880 Speaker 1: gonna hear an argument from me on them being I mean, 1375 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:29,880 Speaker 1: they're they're they're awkwardly built. They're very very very very young. Um, 1376 01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 1: could they do it? Sure, but a lot of things 1377 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 1: that have to go right and we'll see. Yeah. Um, well, Ralph, 1378 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,840 Speaker 1: another successful episode of the pack twelve apostles and we're 1379 01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,920 Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, when when we did? I think we 1380 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:50,320 Speaker 1: got another four star review? So please keep those B 1381 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,679 Speaker 1: plus reviews coming. I guess what's wrong with you, Ralph? 1382 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Stop the B plus reviews. If you don't have a 1383 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:02,680 Speaker 1: five star review, keep bit to yourself. Even though we 1384 01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,840 Speaker 1: do appreciate all reviews. How about you just give us 1385 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,599 Speaker 1: a five star and send us an email about whatever 1386 01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:16,960 Speaker 1: your critique is. Six for five stars, four stars we got. 1387 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,719 Speaker 1: We got a bad review one time about the sound quality, 1388 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,400 Speaker 1: and I went out and I updated, uh my, my 1389 01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:29,320 Speaker 1: whole situation. So like we're willing to listen, Um, we 1390 01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,439 Speaker 1: just gotta yeah, Well, I don't know the four star 1391 01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,240 Speaker 1: reviews a crack and we have it was from New England. 1392 01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 1: Devil said, cannot give a five star review to George 1393 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,719 Speaker 1: since he doesn't know how to order things alphabetically either 1394 01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:48,439 Speaker 1: or abbreviation. Dude, that is dirty. Are you serious? Yeah? 1395 01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,040 Speaker 1: And then we we got one on March thirty one stars. 1396 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:57,160 Speaker 1: Love the show, hilarious and insightful. I want even more 1397 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:02,040 Speaker 1: episodes than one per week about that at oh oh, 1398 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:07,000 Speaker 1: that's tempting. And maybe maybe next week we'll get into 1399 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,240 Speaker 1: this email that was too nice for me to even 1400 01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,639 Speaker 1: want to, uh to read out loud on the thing. 1401 01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:18,960 Speaker 1: Um from our from our our friend the veteran. Uh, 1402 01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:23,240 Speaker 1: that was very very kind and I really really appreciated, Uh, 1403 01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,960 Speaker 1: I really appreciated hearing from him. And hopefully, UM his 1404 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,919 Speaker 1: name is Trevor Carlin and and hopefully we can continue 1405 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,920 Speaker 1: to make some cool stuff for him and and I 1406 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,000 Speaker 1: just like I said, I'm not gonna read the email 1407 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,760 Speaker 1: out loud, but I was super super super humbled. And 1408 01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:44,080 Speaker 1: and he's an Oregon Duck fan. Uh, so you know 1409 01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,720 Speaker 1: you're probably the one that brought him to the podcast. 1410 01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,800 Speaker 1: And I just want to say we appreciate your service 1411 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that you took the time to write man, 1412 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,120 Speaker 1: that was that was a lot. That that was everything 1413 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,559 Speaker 1: going on in the world. That was that was really cool. 1414 01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:02,120 Speaker 1: It was shocking. I was like, you know, how we're 1415 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,680 Speaker 1: doing this because this is what we care about and 1416 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,760 Speaker 1: for the people who care about the same thing that 1417 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,280 Speaker 1: we care about, and and it was just like I 1418 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:17,800 Speaker 1: was like, wow, the fact that this matters to somebody else, 1419 01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:24,520 Speaker 1: that we're adding value to somebody who is out out overseas, 1420 01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that you brought that that up like 1421 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,599 Speaker 1: it made me feel even like a little bit guilty 1422 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:35,479 Speaker 1: about last last week because all the protest stuff and 1423 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,800 Speaker 1: all of that was going through a lot personally, and 1424 01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:44,200 Speaker 1: then I got hurt. It was a massive pain, and 1425 01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,320 Speaker 1: we didn't record an episode for a week. And when 1426 01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,840 Speaker 1: you think about the fact that people are counting on you, 1427 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,040 Speaker 1: it's almost it's almost like Kobe and Jordan's how they 1428 01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:58,880 Speaker 1: wanted to show up for the fans who hadn't seen them. 1429 01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,920 Speaker 1: I noticed is a matting. You know, overreacts because where 1430 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:09,720 Speaker 1: are you going, George? But I get it, man, if 1431 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:14,960 Speaker 1: we're making somebody else's service for our country and for 1432 01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:20,360 Speaker 1: it to protect our freedoms, better like that, it's important 1433 01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,760 Speaker 1: that we show up and so yeah, I just I 1434 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,479 Speaker 1: just feel like I should be writing emails like this too. 1435 01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,600 Speaker 1: Two guys like Trevor. So um, just Trevor. We we 1436 01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:37,120 Speaker 1: appreciate you, man, thank you so much. And uh, tell 1437 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:41,160 Speaker 1: your friends and hopefully we can do that for them too. Yeah, alright, 1438 01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,400 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Guys, thank you. Leave a five star review. 1439 01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:50,160 Speaker 1: Don't don't listen around. We appreciate your time. Send us 1440 01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:54,040 Speaker 1: an email. I'm mad at Unafraid show dot com. Peace out, 1441 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,519 Speaker 1: catch you guys later