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Speaker 2: Katie, my son today got his cast off.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how does he feel? Is he happy?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Now he has to be an embrace. Well, we have
Speaker 2: a cast off party this afternoon. He's requested two friends
Speaker 2: to be a Pokemon trading company.
Speaker 5: Were you ever into Pokemon?
Speaker 3: Hell? No, yes, I still don't understand it. I still
Speaker 3: didn't even understand what Pokemon is. Who is Pikachu? Is
Speaker 3: he a cat? Is the mouse? What is it?
Speaker 5: It's a bunny. I think it's a bunny. I have
Speaker 5: no idea. I literally have no clothes going on.
Speaker 2: But my son is so into it, and for the
Speaker 2: first time, okay, he's only the cards he gets are
Speaker 2: shit ass knockoffs that are like five cents because I'm
Speaker 2: not spending money on this ship. And some of these
Speaker 2: cards are like five hundred dollars. It's like collecting baseball card,
Speaker 2: like limited edition. You know, Pokemon's being around for thirty
Speaker 2: years or something. So when he got his cast off,
Speaker 2: I got him his first like real it was like
Speaker 2: sixteen dollars card. And his big fear is that he's
Speaker 2: gonna like still be into this in like ten years
Speaker 2: and try to trade these knockoff piece of shit card.
Speaker 3: They're going to be like, kid, this.
Speaker 5: Is a fake. Like this is a fake. You're a fake,
Speaker 5: You're a phony. Your parents are ponies.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 3: The only time I loved Pikachu is when when Pikachu
Speaker 3: was a fucking happy meal box? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3: Just a few months ago? And all I listen, I
Speaker 3: don't love anything more than I love a good happy meal.
Speaker 3: It makes the food taste better. Well, you could either
Speaker 3: have a hamburger or cheeseburger, and then it comes with
Speaker 3: small fries, apple slices, or yogurt, and that's pretty much.
Speaker 3: I always get the hamburger with the fries. But Yo,
Speaker 3: for a stint, for a little for a period there,
Speaker 3: the happy Meal boxes weren't actual Pikachu and you could
Speaker 3: fold the ears up and it looked like That's the
Speaker 3: only time I was interested in.
Speaker 5: Pikachu, the only time we were into it.
Speaker 2: It is so annoying, but he loves it so much,
Speaker 2: and he was very brave and actually surprisingly have you
Speaker 2: ever had a broken bone?
Speaker 3: Uh in my foot? Yeah? I have?
Speaker 5: Uh huh oh you did you have to have a cast.
Speaker 3: Uh no, you know, you know what in my hand too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I had to have a I had to have a cast.
Speaker 5: So I remember when I was a kid, I broke
Speaker 5: my leg.
Speaker 2: I remember them taking the cast off and it hurt
Speaker 2: so so so badly, and it was so scary, and
Speaker 2: I feel like the thing like touched my skin and
Speaker 2: it was like a saw. Now, it's things have come
Speaker 2: so far from when we were kids. Have this like
Speaker 2: saw machine that takes off cast now and kids for
Speaker 2: in literally under one minute, it tickles their skin as
Speaker 2: it's doing it. I don't know how that's possible. But
Speaker 2: and Albi was hysterical laughing.
Speaker 3: Are you serious?
Speaker 2: Yes, he's so ticklish. And he was a start laughing
Speaker 2: and had the best time of his life. Like he
Speaker 2: wasn't scared.
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna be like Jesus Christ, this
Speaker 5: is like a loud saw.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back in the day, we're like, please don't cut
Speaker 3: my arm off when you're taking the cast off my.
Speaker 2: Skin, Like I'm terrified. It's not like that at all.
Speaker 2: It's come very far. And so I've had a very
Speaker 2: active morning.
Speaker 5: I liked Friman. Do you ever hiking?
Speaker 3: I have Yeah, I like hiking. Fryman Friman is a
Speaker 3: trail up here in a North Hollywood, right, what do
Speaker 3: we end like? Was that considered North Hollywood?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's in Studio City and it's a trailhead
Speaker 2: and it's like a three mile hike. It's like a
Speaker 2: mile and a half up into my half down and
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful and it's very clear right now in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles because we've had rains, which means this smog
Speaker 2: has sort of moved out, and you can see that
Speaker 2: there's like snow capped mountains nearby, and it's really beautiful
Speaker 2: and I love it because I zen out. But today
Speaker 2: when I got there, I was following the whole time,
Speaker 2: like seventy five teenage girls on this crap.
Speaker 5: Oh, it was awful.
Speaker 3: You gotta let them go ahead. You should have off
Speaker 3: put off to the side and sat down for a second,
Speaker 3: let him get ahead.
Speaker 5: I couldn't get behind. I couldn't figure out where I fit.
Speaker 2: And the whole fucking hike I'm hearing like such annoying shit,
Speaker 2: and I just was like, fuck is this my feet?
Speaker 2: Like God damn it, teenage girls are the fucking worst.
Speaker 5: Like it was so annoying.
Speaker 3: Wait, you didn't have music or anything.
Speaker 5: You'd have music music in my ear and it made
Speaker 5: no difference.
Speaker 2: It was like like it was just suck and so disturbing.
Speaker 2: And if I went too far, because they were all
Speaker 2: in clumps, like their little clicks, it was like seventy
Speaker 2: my girls all.
Speaker 5: Split up up around you, all around me.
Speaker 2: I was surrounded and I only had a certain amount
Speaker 2: of time. So really, if I had been smart, I
Speaker 2: would have just pulled over for like a long time.
Speaker 2: And really, just like.
Speaker 3: You didn't have time, I still want caught up.
Speaker 5: I'm a fast fucking hiker.
Speaker 3: You are. We gotta go hiking one day together. I
Speaker 3: love hiking.
Speaker 5: I would love it. I do too.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like the only the only form of
Speaker 2: working out that.
Speaker 5: I actually enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I just enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I like look around. I like you're listening to Madonna.
Speaker 2: I listened to podcasts.
Speaker 3: I'm listening to Madonna on my iPod. Would they don't
Speaker 3: even make them anymore? Right?
Speaker 2: I have to tell you you are the only person
Speaker 2: on planet Earth that I know that still uses an iPod.
Speaker 3: I love my iPod?
Speaker 5: Is she here?
Speaker 3: Oh shit?
Speaker 5: We're already in it.
Speaker 2: We're already laughing because the greatest guest is here, the
Speaker 2: one and only Liza While Hi, Eliza, Hi, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: you did it, You crush it.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Scandal Rewatch Podcast.
Speaker 4: It's so nice to be here, you guys. I'm so
Speaker 4: excited to dig in this with you.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: See, you're unpacking the toolbox. We're talking about episode one
Speaker 5: oh four.
Speaker 2: Called Enemy of the State, which originally aired on April
Speaker 2: twenty sixth of twenty twelve, and.
Speaker 3: It was written by Richard E. Robbins who I don't
Speaker 3: remember this writer, Katie. And it was directed by Michael Cattleman.
Speaker 5: And I don't remember that director.
Speaker 2: Gear Mack guest starring Liza Wild, Amanda Tanner, Brendan Hines
Speaker 2: is Gideon Wallace Bellamy Young his first lady, Mellie Grant,
Speaker 2: Dan Bugatinski as James Novak, Joshua Molina as.
Speaker 3: David Rosen, Matt Lesher as Billy Chambers, Jose Zuniga as Hanadadi,
Speaker 3: Benicio Flores, Valerie Cruz is Gottolina Flores, leland Or Sir
Speaker 3: as Sanders, and Kate McGregor Stewart as Mary.
Speaker 2: And just to take you, guys, Scandal pace through the
Speaker 2: synopsis like we do. When a dictator shows up at
Speaker 2: the OPA office pleading for help to find his missing
Speaker 2: wife and children, Olivia faces a moral dilemma on taking
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 3: Then, when the truth comes out about the dictator's missing family,
Speaker 3: the entire team faces an even more difficult situation.
Speaker 5: Olivia and Cyrus navigate the Amanda Tanner.
Speaker 2: Case, and who better to have on the Scandal Rewatch
Speaker 2: podcast than the one and only Amanda fucking Tanner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yo, Liza, how did this part?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: Did you guest star on all the other great like
Speaker 2: all the other Shondaland shows? I mean, obviously you and
Speaker 2: Paul were husband wife. You knew Shonda that way? How
Speaker 2: did you get Amanda Tanmaer?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I mean we're gonna get We're just gonna
Speaker 4: get right into it.
Speaker 3: Right into it.
Speaker 4: I had done an episode of Private Practice, and I
Speaker 4: think I did an episode of Gray's Anatomy. I went
Speaker 4: in for Scandal and read for Quinn and Abby. What
Speaker 4: I didn't know that shit? Yeah, But the weird thing
Speaker 4: was is that I read for Quinn and then they
Speaker 4: found you, which is like Chef's Kiss. They had me
Speaker 4: come in right into a test for Abby and I
Speaker 4: like had a complete psychotic break in the audition room.
Speaker 4: It really stands as one of the worst auditions experiences
Speaker 4: of my life. I was so freaked out. I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't I don't know who this
Speaker 4: Abbey Will in person is. I don't feel like connected
Speaker 4: to it. And they kept insisting that I come right
Speaker 4: into a test, and I was like, Linda, can I
Speaker 4: just come to your office and like read this through
Speaker 4: to you, Like I don't know what I'm doing. And
Speaker 4: I left my body in the audition room and like
Speaker 4: was watching myself and I started doing the anxiety thing
Speaker 4: when you're like narrating everything that's going through your head
Speaker 4: out loud, so real, real, real bad.
Speaker 2: Were you crying? Were you hyperventilating? Was your heart racing?
Speaker 4: I remember like turning away from them and like facing
Speaker 4: a corner of the audition room and just sort of
Speaker 4: like touching the wall like trying to like bring my
Speaker 4: bring myself back to some Yeah. So it was really
Speaker 4: humiliating and embarrassing. They were so lovely, however, I think
Speaker 4: that they saw a little bit of like an interesting,
Speaker 4: unhinged yes perfect oh my gosh, which is like you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's one of the sort of all time
Speaker 4: great like switcheroos of it working out in like a
Speaker 4: really bizarre, beautiful way that they could see past what
Speaker 4: I considered like a huge sort of weakness and failure,
Speaker 4: and it was just like, no, just channel that into
Speaker 4: this other thing here. Here you go.
Speaker 2: A lot of actors, I know, like literally take beta blockers,
Speaker 2: like oh, I'm an actors taking take like they actually
Speaker 2: take like beta blocker, which is far less than like
Speaker 2: a eras of PAM or an adavan or something, because
Speaker 2: they need because they're.
Speaker 5: Going to have a full bone anxiety.
Speaker 3: This is our lives as actors, Like that shit happens
Speaker 3: for me. How it manifests for me is my hand
Speaker 3: shake and I'll be holding sides. So now I got
Speaker 3: a tip from another actor, Gary Perez, my buddy, and
Speaker 3: he was like, just bring a heavy, heavy book and
Speaker 3: hold the sides on top of that book and it
Speaker 3: sort of gives weight to your hand. Because I sometimes
Speaker 3: I get so nervous that my hands are shaking and
Speaker 3: then all I'm thinking they're looking at my shaking hands
Speaker 3: and my shaking.
Speaker 4: Fucking tongue rock.
Speaker 2: And by the way, like that's happened to me before
Speaker 2: on like like a live talk show.
Speaker 3: And then some days you feel amazing, like a fucking
Speaker 3: king and a queen right in the room and you're
Speaker 3: like the most confident and chill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you just chasing it. And then that's I
Speaker 4: think why we keep doing it is to like chase
Speaker 4: that that Graystone, right, and it's so rare, so well
Speaker 4: with that, Yeah, I also am a firm believer that, yeah,
Speaker 4: without Amanda Tanner, like I needed to do Amanda Tanner,
Speaker 4: but I could have never done Bonnie winer Bottom without
Speaker 4: being Amanda. First. I think it definitely like opened a
Speaker 4: door to like the dark weirdness that so I was like,
Speaker 4: this is my comeback story, guys, so right, like I
Speaker 4: am gonna I gotta crush this and I and it
Speaker 4: felt really good. But mostly I think because I was like,
Speaker 4: I didn't get weird and have a meltdown. This is
Speaker 4: a triumph.
Speaker 5: I did it.
Speaker 2: When you booked Amanda Tanner, did you know that she
Speaker 2: was going to die?
Speaker 4: Did you know?
Speaker 5: Did you know what it could be episode?
Speaker 4: I don't think I knew any of it. I think
Speaker 4: I gradually heard that it was going to turn into
Speaker 4: like a little bit of an arc and be like
Speaker 4: five or six episodes, but I didn't know anything. I mean,
Speaker 4: and you guys, because I'm so curious about your experience
Speaker 4: going back and watching this as well. But I'm realizing
Speaker 4: now that it was such a primer for me in
Speaker 4: terms of sort of the the Shondaland staple of really
Speaker 4: like going for a fucking ride because you don't know anything.
Speaker 4: You don't know anything as actors. You didn't know the
Speaker 4: Quinn background, you didn't know the background of any of
Speaker 4: these no. Yeah, so it just it really is like
Speaker 4: a car pulling up in front of your house being
Speaker 4: like comeing, get in. You're like, where are we going,
Speaker 4: and they're like it doesn't matter, just.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you trust it, Yeah, you trust it.
Speaker 2: For some actors, it's like wildly unsettling and they don't
Speaker 2: like it, and they're sort of used to like sitting
Speaker 2: down with the showrunner at the beginning of season and
Speaker 2: hearing what their whole characters arc is going to be
Speaker 2: and what the writers has planned for them and all
Speaker 2: of that in Shonda Universe, which tell me if it
Speaker 2: was was it the same for how to get with
Speaker 2: for Murder too.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, oh yeah, so you were not told a thing.
Speaker 2: We show the table read, you're not you don't ask questions,
Speaker 2: you don't know where your character's going.
Speaker 5: I think it's because they don't know.
Speaker 2: Really where your characters is, right, They're kind of waiting
Speaker 2: to see what you do and what develops, and like
Speaker 2: build off of that what I found complete freedom in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it becomes I think very liberating. There is like
Speaker 4: a you know, a wonky like adjustments period because I
Speaker 4: think you also just like you're you're up against so
Speaker 4: many other things. It's really hard to be good on TV,
Speaker 4: you know, like on fast paced, like you're just up
Speaker 4: against so much. But there is there is a a
Speaker 4: liberation I think once you're like, I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going to happen to me tomorrow in life, I don't
Speaker 4: know what you know, Like, yeah, so it's I think
Speaker 4: it can be really fun and beautiful, but it's scary. Yeah, scary.
Speaker 3: I like the part of TV two of doing an
Speaker 3: episodic like like Scandal or Murder, that you you know,
Speaker 3: you don't have time to stress out or get too
Speaker 3: nervous about something because the shooting pace is so freaking
Speaker 3: fast and just going, going, going. You don't have time
Speaker 3: to be like I'm gonna stress and overthink this monologue.
Speaker 3: You don't have time for that shit. You just got
Speaker 3: to go, go, go and keep doing it. And I
Speaker 3: guess that's that's kind of a good thing, because you know,
Speaker 3: with my crazy brain, my anxious brain, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Was Amanda Tanner your like big job after Gilmore I mean,
Speaker 2: I know you worked a ton, but like, was it
Speaker 2: your first?
Speaker 3: Like did you say Gilmore Girls?
Speaker 5: Wait a minute, gave Giermo fucking loves Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 2: When we had Shawna on the podcast for episode one,
Speaker 2: he was like, Shawna, you watch Gilmore Girls. And Shawna
Speaker 2: was like no, and Geirmast like almost died.
Speaker 3: I was like, I almost. I almost turned off my
Speaker 3: camera and like left the podcast. Now, No, because because Liza,
Speaker 3: because she cast you, she cast the lovely actress who
Speaker 3: played Lane on Gilmore Girls. Yes, and then of course
Speaker 3: Hollis Doyle who was Greg Henry also on Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 3: Like all these like wonderful people that were on Gilmore Girls,
Speaker 3: and oh man.
Speaker 4: I always assumed that she did watch it, But that's
Speaker 4: news to me that she did it.
Speaker 2: She never saw it, which is so crazy because when
Speaker 2: I go back and I think about like the fast
Speaker 2: paced talking shows, it's like West Wing, Gilmore Girls, Scandal,
Speaker 2: Like there's not so many shows where like the Secret Sauce,
Speaker 2: one of them in the recipe is speaking as fast
Speaker 2: as humanly fucking possible.
Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent. I mean I Gilmore Girls ended,
Speaker 4: I got married, and then I was having like a
Speaker 4: really hard time going back into audition rooms.
Speaker 3: I feel like the.
Speaker 4: Whole time I was on Gilmore Girls, I wasn't really
Speaker 4: getting out for other things, so like the audition muscle
Speaker 4: was like I had no idea like and again did
Speaker 4: just a lot of panic attacks and a lot.
Speaker 5: Of anxiety, just a lot of straight up anxiety because.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I didn't work for for like three years,
Speaker 4: I think after Gilmore Girls, and then oh wow, I
Speaker 4: had my daughter, So yeah, Amanda Tanner was like the
Speaker 4: first job back after having a baby and sort of
Speaker 4: all of it, and I was freaked out. I was
Speaker 4: really really nervous because you guys were you know, you
Speaker 4: got you guys that were coming to play.
Speaker 5: We were not you were I.
Speaker 2: Want to I want we wanted to talk about this
Speaker 2: episode but literally I will never forget that scene in
Speaker 2: the pilot with you and the dog and Carrie Washington
Speaker 2: and her having that monologue about you better get out
Speaker 2: of town and here's all the things she's going to
Speaker 2: do to you if you don't, and where'd you get
Speaker 2: that dog? And you just have to literally thob for
Speaker 2: like ever take it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, do you remember that day and how
Speaker 4: the generous thing that Carrie did?
Speaker 5: Remember but please tell okay, because.
Speaker 4: So it was you know, it was there was a
Speaker 4: big build up for that scene and like it was
Speaker 4: a long process and I was like, I think I
Speaker 4: had kind of blown my wad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she did not say we called for tearstick,
Speaker 2: which I did all the time. Liza never did that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think my moment. But honestly, it was again
Speaker 4: like the motivation, like the motivation for crying was out
Speaker 4: of like I am going to like whiff this, like
Speaker 4: I had this is I'm going to fail publicly. So
Speaker 4: it was all just like, you know, you better fucking
Speaker 4: do this. But then I remember having to break for
Speaker 4: lunch before they yeah, and I was like, oh no, no, no, no, please,
Speaker 4: let please, let's not make for lunch. And then just
Speaker 4: like sitting in the honeywagon, like rocking back and forth,
Speaker 4: like trying.
Speaker 3: To starving, starving because you know you're not going to
Speaker 3: eat yet.
Speaker 4: But Carrie did like the thing for my coverage where
Speaker 4: she just it just wasn't there, and she went off
Speaker 4: script and sort of like added some personal stuff that
Speaker 4: would sort of get a response out of me. She
Speaker 4: knew that, you know, we were starting to try to
Speaker 4: like find child care for our daughter, and it was
Speaker 4: so stressful, and it was like I was leaving her
Speaker 4: alone for the first time, and she put she kind
Speaker 4: of like sprinkled those little.
Speaker 3: Nubbles into the hell yeah.
Speaker 4: And and it just saved my ass, man, And I
Speaker 4: was so grateful for her to her for that.
Speaker 5: Uh well, it struck in place, man, because that scene.
Speaker 2: I'm convinced, like that scene is probably why we even
Speaker 2: like got to pick up for a second.
Speaker 4: Oh stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those iconic fucking scenes where we
Speaker 2: know who Olivia Pope really is. We know like what
Speaker 2: lengths she's willing to go for her for her love
Speaker 2: for the president. We see that she doesn't give a
Speaker 2: fuck that this girl is just like a regular girl
Speaker 2: who was in the fucking wrong place at the wrong time,
Speaker 2: although we kind of learned that that's not who Amanda Tanner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that scene they used that They use that
Speaker 3: scene in a lot of promos too, like that's the
Speaker 3: scene that when the show first started sort of being publicized, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's iconic and you were phenomenal and however you got there,
Speaker 2: Like I just remember it was forever. That scene was
Speaker 2: first of all outside, which is impossible. They can't like
Speaker 2: really control lots of things that needed to be controlled.
Speaker 2: He did shoot it, like wides and masters and carries
Speaker 2: coverage eight billion times from hours before we turned it
Speaker 2: around on Liza. So by the time we turned it
Speaker 2: around on Liza, she's like, I can't hear this. Like
Speaker 2: when I hear this doesn't have any effect on me anymore.
Speaker 2: I've heard it one fucking thousand times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 2: For Carrie, yeah, she would. She used to do that
Speaker 2: to me too. I don't know if she ever do
Speaker 2: that to you Garama too. But sometimes she'd just save
Speaker 2: your ass and she would be like, sprinkle in just
Speaker 2: a little something that would make it feel different, sound different,
Speaker 2: wake up, like let me have an.
Speaker 3: She didn't give me shit. She barely remembered her lines
Speaker 3: when they were doing my coverage. I'm kidding. She's great.
Speaker 2: Now in this episode, we have so many firsts it's insane, Like, yes,
Speaker 2: we have so many first First we have like Carrie
Speaker 2: Washington speaking Spanish, which she knows how to speak Spanish,
Speaker 2: righte giaramo. Because the case of the week is this
Speaker 2: this dictator from.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Benicio Flores.
Speaker 2: I don't remember where he's from, but like he comes
Speaker 2: in and needs help because his children are and wife
Speaker 2: are missing.
Speaker 5: And Olivia speaks.
Speaker 2: Why does Olivia, I mean, excuse me, why does Kerry
Speaker 2: watch you know how to speak Spanish fluently?
Speaker 3: Knows how to do everything fluently?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, she's really smart, right, and she knows
Speaker 4: probably all the things we have.
Speaker 2: Amanda wants to revisit the five minute like all you want,
Speaker 2: like all you want.
Speaker 5: For your end game.
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope is saying to you like okay, great, like
Speaker 2: what do you want, and You're like, I want, oh
Speaker 2: the god, you fucking kill you want fucking five minutes
Speaker 2: with the president.
Speaker 3: Five minutes with the president. Yeah, that scene is so good.
Speaker 5: This where you say I want them all to burn
Speaker 5: for this.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes it is, Yes, it is to.
Speaker 2: Kill that that would be so hard to do for
Speaker 2: so many people, and doing.
Speaker 4: All these guys are really nice, man, I mean, because I.
Speaker 5: Think it could be kind of melodramatic, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be right back. Guys. Did you rewatch this
Speaker 3: episode Liza? And it's okay if you didn't.
Speaker 4: We we I did, no, I one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Was it nice being sort of separated, like having the
Speaker 3: time from you know, cause I always talk about how
Speaker 3: we were so close to the material in the show
Speaker 3: when we were shooting it, so it was hard to
Speaker 3: be really be like, oh, this is a great show
Speaker 3: because I would remember stupid shit I didn't like that
Speaker 3: I did or whatever. But now having that time, I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's such a great show.
Speaker 4: It's such a great show. I mean I started, I
Speaker 4: like burned through like six episodes, like I couldn't stop
Speaker 4: watching it. Yeah, Like I had the intention of just
Speaker 4: watching until episode four and then now I'm like fully
Speaker 4: in it again. It's and it's just it's such a
Speaker 4: it's such a delight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How did you prepare for scenes like like the burn
Speaker 2: for this Were you working with anybody at the time,
Speaker 2: or were you just like I like, how what was
Speaker 2: your like prep?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was not working with anybody at the time.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I was just doing problem blease,
Speaker 4: some like not great unhealthy prep of just like just
Speaker 4: self hatred. And but again, I think so much of
Speaker 4: of my fuel was just a real, like authentic fear
Speaker 4: of not doing well like this. And it was such
Speaker 4: an exciting set to be on. I mean, you guys
Speaker 4: were just so it was just so lively and like
Speaker 4: there was such a potent, palpable feeling of like joy
Speaker 4: and commitment and enthusiasm that was so special to be around.
Speaker 4: It was just it felt very just charged with all
Speaker 4: the things that you really want to be around as
Speaker 4: an actor. So I just remember how exciting it felt.
Speaker 4: I was lucky in this episode that Michael Cattleman, who
Speaker 4: directed this episode, tell us who that is? Okay, Well
Speaker 4: he's he's been around forever, but he was a very
Speaker 4: beloved supervising director on Gilmore Girls for a couple of
Speaker 4: seasons and we loved him, like he was.
Speaker 5: What a gift for you.
Speaker 4: That show was hard, like it was you know, as
Speaker 4: you were saying, very dialogue, uh heavy, and we were
Speaker 4: shooting crazy, crazy hours on that show. But Michael came
Speaker 4: in and just he was like the whisperer you know
Speaker 4: to everybody, just very soothing, calming and like just made
Speaker 4: it feel good there.
Speaker 2: So I'm so glad that he was your person during
Speaker 2: this episode because you just have a lot of heavy
Speaker 2: lifting in this episode, like, well and you get fucking kid,
Speaker 2: we gotta get there, We gotta get there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I remember Katie, like I loved Urlave
Speaker 4: Amanda and Quinn stuff so much because it just felt
Speaker 4: like when I got to be in a scene with
Speaker 4: you that I was just being bathed in like warmth
Speaker 4: and kindness because Carrie as Olivia really was pretty harsh
Speaker 4: with Amanda and she would just look at me like
Speaker 4: a fucking piece of shit, like and like so much judgment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well she thinks you're pregnant with her fucking love
Speaker 2: boyfriend with her boyfriend.
Speaker 4: What am I saying? It's so so complicated for her. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it is a really intense thing for her
Speaker 4: to take on it as webby as fuck, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Quinn, Quinn and Amanda were just like I'm
Speaker 2: just like I just want you to be okay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Come be a client I come be a client and
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to do a good job, and I felt,
Speaker 2: I feel like Quinn feels so bad for her, Like
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Think she relates to her in a way too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: There's empathy there, Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, also, let's take it back too, like this
Speaker 2: is the cook Man. This storyline aman A Tanner sleeping
Speaker 2: with the president. I mean that is literally ripped from
Speaker 2: Judy Smith o. Olivia Pope is based on representing Monica Lewinsky.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of pressure. I mean, your your case
Speaker 2: and your person is very loosely inspired by probably the
Speaker 2: most famous political presidential scandal in the history of time
Speaker 2: other than Nixon, And like yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there was also a thing where, you know,
Speaker 4: the writers were sort of like, we don't really know
Speaker 4: if she did sleep with him, you know, yeah, like
Speaker 4: having to be like, Okay, well I think I just
Speaker 4: have to play that I did, but I think it also,
Speaker 4: I mean to get kind of raw about it. It
Speaker 4: was bringing up like a lot of interesting things for
Speaker 4: me because I was like, I did just have a baby.
Speaker 4: It was like really a little sense of about being
Speaker 4: kind of on TV and being looked at and also
Speaker 4: been adding that element of like, is anybody going to
Speaker 4: believe that he slept with me? Like, yes, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Man, you you're gorgeous.
Speaker 3: We're are worst enemies ourselves.
Speaker 4: You are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are gorgeous every day of your life, like
Speaker 2: in any any version of you, brunette, blonde, short hair,
Speaker 2: long hair, post baby.
Speaker 4: That's not why I'm bringing it up. I didn't mean
Speaker 4: it to be a we got it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be the ones to tell you and then
Speaker 2: we And also you're doing some mad sketchy shit. It's
Speaker 2: not on in this episode, but in previous episodes you're
Speaker 2: like on the phone and you're like, I have to
Speaker 2: tell her.
Speaker 5: I can't like lie anymore.
Speaker 4: I had no idea who I was calling.
Speaker 2: By the way, who you're talking You don't know you're
Speaker 2: talking to Billy Chambers. You don't know you're actually pregnant
Speaker 2: with Billy Chambers.
Speaker 4: Baby. No, I have none of that information. But it
Speaker 4: was such a great light and going back, I have
Speaker 4: to say like I was like, oh, I wish I
Speaker 4: made a little bit more of a choice there, because
Speaker 4: it was a pretty.
Speaker 5: General we all felt like that. I keep going back
Speaker 5: and I'm like, god, why was I playing that? And
Speaker 5: then I'm like, oh, because I didn't know.
Speaker 3: You didn't know, but it worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just have to embrace like the general like
Speaker 4: I'll just do something general.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember distinctly one day on set, not in this episode,
Speaker 2: on an earlier episode, I want to say, maybe even
Speaker 2: the pilot.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it was the pilot.
Speaker 2: The scenes where you are in bed after you've slit
Speaker 2: your wrist.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you brought Josephine to set. Oh, and she
Speaker 5: met Shanda.
Speaker 2: Oh, and it was so stretched like I was like
Speaker 2: as a young like as a person who wanted to
Speaker 2: be a mom. I just remember like looking at you
Speaker 2: and being like, oh my god, Like she's married to
Speaker 2: an actor and she is bringing her child to set
Speaker 2: and she's working, and you're doing it amazing job. Like
Speaker 2: I just remember being like, holy shit, like I hadn't
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen that before because I only guest starred
Speaker 2: on procedurals where men were the leads. I really hadn't
Speaker 2: seen any people bring babies on set. It was the
Speaker 2: first time. I mean Shonda like was very like she's
Speaker 2: obsessed with babies obviously. I mean, people don't know this
Speaker 2: Seawn is obsessed with babies from Gray's in Private and
Speaker 2: all that, and she just was so like welcoming and
Speaker 2: happy that you brought her to set. And I just
Speaker 2: remember being like, oh my god, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: She was lovely about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, A few other firsts and orders of business that
Speaker 2: I need to touch upon is this is the first
Speaker 2: time we see Olivia drink the biggest fucking glass of
Speaker 2: red wine in the history of fucking television, which became
Speaker 2: a staple.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really does make you want to have wine
Speaker 4: immediately the way she drinks it.
Speaker 2: You're just like, ah, so she does this huge wine thing,
Speaker 2: which became such a staple, like such a joke. Like
Speaker 2: I remember seeing so much any sketches I think even
Speaker 2: on SNL or some shit that just had like some
Speaker 2: Olivia Pope thing with the glass like the size of
Speaker 2: a room. We meet James played by Dan Bugatinsky, and
Speaker 2: we learn that Cyrus is gay. Yes, fucking episode, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that is huge. I mean Jeff Perry will
Speaker 2: have when we have him on, like he didn't know Cyrus.
Speaker 4: Was gay, remember talking damn about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had no clue.
Speaker 2: And I mean we have to have Dan Bukatinski on
Speaker 2: who plays James Novakuum's performances absolutely legendary, and it starts
Speaker 2: in this episode. We also this Sanders Black played by
Speaker 2: Leland Orser.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's hired by the White House.
Speaker 2: And we learn for the first time some of the
Speaker 2: like stray dogs in o PA their backstory. For example,
Speaker 2: that Hawk's a killer. We learned that Abby was beaten,
Speaker 2: which we didn't know before we've really We learned that
Speaker 2: Quinn Perkins didn't exist until two thousand.
Speaker 3: And eight, motherfucker. Yes.
Speaker 2: And we learned that Harrison Wright was like a car
Speaker 2: salesman kind of you know, slimy dude turned lawyer, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we caught up in some money, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some money laundering type bad shit.
Speaker 3: And that Steven Stephen was an attorney as well who
Speaker 3: had a breakdown. Yeah, yeah, doing a case and Olivia
Speaker 3: brought him sort of took him under her wing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, alright, he had the breakdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I have my next note is Jeff
Speaker 2: gives the best monologue ever.
Speaker 4: Whoa. He says, you know, you've got a man of
Speaker 4: Tanner's pregnant, and the President is like, well, what happens now?
Speaker 4: And he takes him through the trajectory of like what
Speaker 4: is his downfall and ultimately, like you know, his demise
Speaker 4: and like how he's just his life is just completely
Speaker 4: ruined and.
Speaker 3: He's gonna shoot himself with that gun that his dad
Speaker 3: gave him, blow the back of his skull out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh good God.
Speaker 4: Nobody can do what Jeff Perry does. It is like,
Speaker 4: I watch him with such wonder There should be an
Speaker 4: entire podcast just devoted to how he like, how he
Speaker 4: brings stuff off the page. It is just astounding.
Speaker 3: What And yeah, he has this little giggle at the
Speaker 3: end as he's walking out the door. Do you remember that, Liza.
Speaker 4: Yes, And he's like, no, but write your speech like
Speaker 4: that matters, that's important, brilliant.
Speaker 3: Just that little moment is like, ugh, it's so amazing.
Speaker 3: He's so good.
Speaker 2: And then we're prepping a man to Tanner for Diane
Speaker 2: Sawyer and it seems like she may not want.
Speaker 4: To yeah, because that paternity suit's going to be a
Speaker 4: little bit of.
Speaker 2: When we do that and they realize that she's not
Speaker 2: pregnant with the president's husband, I mean, the president's baby.
Speaker 2: And this for the next first is that we've got
Speaker 2: the words Abby throws papers at her when I wanted
Speaker 2: to leave Charles, and she has the most beautiful scene.
Speaker 3: Oh, when I wanted to leave Charles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I wanted to leave Charles.
Speaker 2: Abby and Olivia have been at odds for a while
Speaker 2: because Abby thinks Olivia keeps fucking up. She's her gut
Speaker 2: is not in the right place, she's taking on the
Speaker 2: wrong cases, she's she's misstepping right and left and yeah.
Speaker 2: For the first time, Abby says the phrase over a cliff, yes,
Speaker 2: which like, are you joking? Like who comes up with
Speaker 2: this shit?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 3: Also, Katie, I don't know if you if you noticed,
Speaker 3: this is the first time that we hear Abby mentions
Speaker 3: Olivia taking a tire iron to her ex husband's kneecap. Yes,
Speaker 3: And it's the first Like I heard it for the
Speaker 3: first time when I watched it on this rewatch and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, Like Olivia got violent on
Speaker 3: this dude because he, you know, he hit her friend.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, wow, that's that's cool. That's
Speaker 3: interesting information.
Speaker 5: Shadowing of.
Speaker 2: What's his name with the chair wow, which is like
Speaker 2: seasons later. I cry so hard in this episode because
Speaker 2: of the fucking don't ever show me an episode of
Speaker 2: television anywhere, anytime where a baby's being ripped away from
Speaker 2: its mother while the baby's fucking crying.
Speaker 4: Baby's performance is amazing.
Speaker 5: I can't This baby is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether the baby's really crying or they
Speaker 2: added it in post, but it is absolutely.
Speaker 4: Crying. It's on's face.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's really heart wrenching. I mean, it's absolutely
Speaker 2: heart wrenching that the dickhead dictator who's abusive and a
Speaker 2: piece of shit, like the wife wants to save her
Speaker 2: family and leave him because he's not the man she married.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, fine, you can leave me, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to take all the children. And they have
Speaker 2: to like and over the sobbing baby and the older son,
Speaker 2: and it is just absolutely heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: And those those guest stars, can I just say really quickly, Jose,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yes, Jose's Uniga, who plays handed out
Speaker 3: Benicio Florida is h He's been in a like over
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty like films and TV shows like
Speaker 3: he's in everything. Yeah, And speaking of first, me and
Speaker 3: him did my first movie ever, Fresh where I got
Speaker 3: my sag card, a movie with Sam Jackson and bouchet wright.
Speaker 3: Jose was in that film with me, so we did.
Speaker 3: He was in you know, my first first movie ever.
Speaker 4: Oh I love that.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he's he's a wonderful actor. And then and then
Speaker 3: Valerie Cruz, who plays Gottolina Florida is she's amazing and
Speaker 3: she was on Off the Map. Do you remember that, Katie?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes, I knew she looked familiar to me.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Was that that was a Shondalance show right now?
Speaker 2: Was the Doctors Without Borders like Gray's Anatomy sort of
Speaker 2: spinoff that lasted for one season and it.
Speaker 4: Was my only show that did not become a huge wow.
Speaker 2: And I tested sort of for like all three female
Speaker 2: doctors and didn't get them. It was the year before Scandal,
Speaker 2: and thank god, because I wasn't supposed to be fucking
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 3: And our makeup artist are amazing. Makeup artist Denise worked
Speaker 3: on Off the Map, and I remember her and Valerie
Speaker 3: always just chatting and connecting and reminiscing about shooting that show.
Speaker 3: I think they shot it in Hawaii or something right
Speaker 3: at Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I have a question.
Speaker 2: Gideon watches the tape in this episode where the President's
Speaker 2: like whispering in your ear?
Speaker 5: Do you remember shooting that.
Speaker 4: I do remember shooting that.
Speaker 5: Fuck was he saying?
Speaker 4: I think he was just leaning in and he didn't
Speaker 4: say anything, I think, and that was I remember it was.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of discussion I think about like
Speaker 4: how they wanted it to look and it was so
Speaker 4: I don't I don't recall him. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: he was probably just joking around when we did it,
Speaker 4: and just you know, at.
Speaker 2: The end of the episode, when you get man Tanner
Speaker 2: gets kidnapped, it's amazing, it's eerie, it's fucking terrifying. Did
Speaker 2: you was it George Newburn doing it to you or
Speaker 2: was it like just.
Speaker 4: A standard No, I think it was a stunt person.
Speaker 2: So you didn't know at the time when you were
Speaker 2: shooting it that it was Charlie.
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I didn't know any of that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't know shit the yeah, the needle in the foot,
Speaker 4: you know. I think I remember reading that episode and
Speaker 4: being like, oh, I think this is my last episode
Speaker 4: because the needle and the toe. I was like, this
Speaker 4: isn't from your foot.
Speaker 3: Acting was on point, like no pun intended to Ballerina's Yo.
Speaker 3: That ship was the way trying to pull away from
Speaker 3: that needle. It was so good. It's such a great scene.
Speaker 4: Funny watching it is that I realized that I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't keeping my eyes open, like my my instinct
Speaker 4: was to like just be squinty. So wished were you watching?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, open your eyes, dummy, open your eyes.
Speaker 5: See who's doing it? Like, see see what's happening?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like and it wasn't. And so that's I wish
Speaker 4: I did that differently as well.
Speaker 3: But I didn't even think of that about it.
Speaker 2: I justly see is that you're fucking terrified, and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's so fucked up. When I'm watching it, I
Speaker 2: don't even think I realized. I don't know if tell
Speaker 2: me if I'm completely wrong. Do you think everybody was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is when she's dead. I just assumed that he
Speaker 2: puts something in you to make you fall asleep, not
Speaker 2: something that kills you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. I yeah, I probably just went to
Speaker 4: the worst case scenario for myself as an actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like, gee, did you think this like that
Speaker 2: Amanda Tanner is dead or were you like she's going
Speaker 2: to be put out and we're not done with.
Speaker 3: Her yet exactly. Yeah, I didn't think. I didn't think
Speaker 3: they were going to kill her off either. Yeah, at
Speaker 3: least at that point, I.
Speaker 4: Think Seanda brought me in and told me that she
Speaker 4: is to die, but that there was going to be
Speaker 4: like some flashback stuff and then.
Speaker 2: Wait, we need to talk about that while we have
Speaker 2: you though. I'll remember that day like nobody like we
Speaker 2: were in Long Beach, I think.
Speaker 4: And then she told me that they're going to pull
Speaker 4: my body out of the river. And I was like,
Speaker 4: can I please do that?
Speaker 2: Oh man, I have no idea what disgusting thing happens.
Speaker 2: But you were pulled up on this this vest crig, this.
Speaker 5: Rig and just dangling. Was it freezing cold?
Speaker 4: They put I mean they really geared me up. I
Speaker 4: mean I think I had like layers of wet suits
Speaker 4: on under my clothes and everything.
Speaker 5: And they painted you blue. They like painted you.
Speaker 2: Your makeup was like obviously someone had been dropped in
Speaker 2: the Potomac.
Speaker 4: There was a lot of discussion about like keep your
Speaker 4: mouth closed, like make sure like this water is probably
Speaker 4: not great.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, that's disgusting.
Speaker 3: So they dunked your ass in. They dunked you in,
Speaker 3: pulled you out for the seat.
Speaker 4: Well, there was the thing that they did have a
Speaker 4: stunt person because I guess you're not allowed to be
Speaker 4: like I couldn't be underwater and pulled up, so they
Speaker 4: said they yeah, so they did the stunt person for that.
Speaker 4: But then they did let me.
Speaker 2: Just like when it was like the close up on
Speaker 2: your face and really knowing who it was that is
Speaker 2: you got to do that.
Speaker 4: And it was so fun, Like I was like so
Speaker 4: excited to do that. That was just some next level
Speaker 4: like I cannot believe I get to be doing this.
Speaker 4: This is so cool soun like river death moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, please, un fucking believable and also so effective
Speaker 2: for us because you know, we have so many episodes
Speaker 2: after you die where we're talking. You know, it's so
Speaker 2: crazy that you're not there because you're so allot. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like those plays where like you never meet the
Speaker 2: dad but the pictures on the wall and they talked
Speaker 2: about dad so much or whatever, but like it felt
Speaker 2: like that like you were so I mean, you were
Speaker 2: the engine and the fire of the.
Speaker 5: Whole first season.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if people didn't really care and feel for you,
Speaker 2: it would never have worked. And that's just like such
Speaker 2: a testament to everything you did.
Speaker 4: Wow. Thanks guys.
Speaker 5: We will be back with more after the break.
Speaker 2: If this was twenty twelve, right, this aired on April
Speaker 2: twenty six and twenty twelve.
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you first shot Murder?
Speaker 4: Twenty fourteen, so it was two years?
Speaker 5: Yeah, two years, that's yeah, that's wild. My god.
Speaker 3: I remember being at the one of the evening before parties,
Speaker 3: those Emmy parties as a scandal casting. We were already
Speaker 3: on seas I don't know what season we were on,
Speaker 3: two or three, maybe right before Murder started, and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, How To get Away with Murder
Speaker 3: was a hot.
Speaker 5: Show, huge show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you have scenes again with Carrie when she crossed
Speaker 2: over to How To get Away with Murder?
Speaker 5: Because we did it?
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.
Speaker 4: No, they had to do a really weird thing with
Speaker 4: me because they couldn't have Amanda Tanner and Bonnie Winterbottom
Speaker 4: exist in the same universe much.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, Oh.
Speaker 5: My god, that's insane. Did someone tell you that?
Speaker 4: No? I mean I think that it occurred to them
Speaker 4: in the room when they were trying to break that
Speaker 4: crossover of like She's gonna like I was kind of problematic.
Speaker 2: I had to think about that either, because you also
Speaker 2: look so different between the two roles. I mean, I
Speaker 2: mean you're also you're a chameleia of an actor, but
Speaker 2: like you look wildly different. I mean you have a short,
Speaker 2: blonde bob and you're in these suits and like really
Speaker 2: powerful and just such. I mean, honestly, I don't even
Speaker 2: know if I didn't know you that you were the
Speaker 2: same person.
Speaker 3: That you would connect that. Yeah, which is which is great.
Speaker 4: I wish I got to be a part of those scenes,
Speaker 4: but yeah, they just didn't. They just didn't bring Bonnie
Speaker 4: into that story.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, I never even thought about that. Now, Wow,
Speaker 2: that would have flipped fans out.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Yo, Liza, were you ever on how to
Speaker 3: get it with murder? Did you ever have days where
Speaker 3: you were like, I don't know what the fuck is
Speaker 3: happening in the story, Like what what? And then just
Speaker 3: do it? Because me and Katie talked about that. There'd
Speaker 3: be days where I'd be like Katie, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck is happening in the storyline.
Speaker 3: I really don't I'm so lost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 3: Just going to act the shit out of it or try,
Speaker 3: like I don't know what's happening. And we were on
Speaker 3: the show and I know how to get it watching
Speaker 3: how to get it with Murder. Sometimes I'd be like
Speaker 3: I'd have to rewatch and read because I was like, wait,
Speaker 3: what I say? Why?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And we were braiding time in such a weird
Speaker 4: way too on that show.
Speaker 2: Well, they were like going back and forth and jumping
Speaker 2: back in time and the night of the thing and
Speaker 2: then that I'm like, I don't know where we are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yes, we were constantly doing that. And
Speaker 4: it was also like our you know, like the night
Speaker 4: X stuff, like we would shoot the Murder night stuff
Speaker 4: that you know that comes together at the end of
Speaker 4: the season. But they hadn't even figured it out out,
Speaker 4: like they didn't know the trajectory. So we're shooting it
Speaker 4: in like piecemeal little sections as well. And they've never
Speaker 4: they never wanted to break that story fully, so everybody
Speaker 4: was just completely in the dark. Like they would be like,
Speaker 4: you know, like season five, we're like, we're gonna have
Speaker 4: you smothering somebody in the snow. We don't know who
Speaker 4: that person is or why you're doing this. So if
Speaker 4: you could just do that, do that with like a
Speaker 4: neutral expression on our face, you know, like run out
Speaker 4: of the house like you just killed somebody. Now run
Speaker 4: out of the house like you didn't kill somebody, but
Speaker 4: you still there's still an urgency to your running.
Speaker 3: Like it's just like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: You know, we had the whole season of like Who's
Speaker 4: under the sheet? Like we know we were told like
Speaker 4: one of you who's gonna die? We don't know who
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, Scandal became a show sort of like that.
Speaker 2: I remember I was actually just gonna see the question
Speaker 2: like Scandal when we when James died, Oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we we we were very very quickly shaken to realize like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, people can die on this show, like like
Speaker 2: Columbus Shorts character died, like James died, and I remember
Speaker 2: being like, oh shit, none of us are safe.
Speaker 5: But how do you survive it?
Speaker 2: I mean it's too much, you know, when you're on
Speaker 2: such serious shows, it's like you gotta like let some
Speaker 2: of that air out. We also make farting sounds all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Liza, that's what we do, like right,
Speaker 3: before shooting on Scandal, we would do that all the time.
Speaker 4: Serious.
Speaker 3: Action and then we'd go.
Speaker 4: It's levity, man, you gotta have the levity.
Speaker 5: I know I can't.
Speaker 2: I wish we could like all go back and we're
Speaker 2: going to make the Scandal musical comedy.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh I know.
Speaker 4: I mean if you guys think that there will be
Speaker 4: like a reboot thing like like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I think has always been like no, it doesn't in
Speaker 2: the cards, but I whenever I whenever we've like said
Speaker 2: it in passing like carry or anyone, I know that
Speaker 2: the whole cast would do anything because we really loved
Speaker 2: working together and we Yeah, you know, I think that's
Speaker 2: the hardest part. I think so much about Scanal being
Speaker 2: over is more. I mean, yes, we loved the material
Speaker 2: in the ride, but the greatest is like, oh, I'm
Speaker 2: never going to be at five o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: on a Monday morning and a makeup trailer with her
Speaker 2: Modiaz and Kerrie Washington and Darby Stansfield, like just shooting
Speaker 2: the ship. It's like that only exists in the time
Speaker 2: that we had.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, that's the stuff, man, It's it's magic.
Speaker 5: It's the stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, y'all, let's get into our favorite.
Speaker 5: Do doo doo tweets, the.
Speaker 3: Mess y'all.
Speaker 2: We read some of the tweets of the time. Were
Speaker 2: you on Twitter during this time?
Speaker 4: I wasn't yet. I was we were. I was mandated
Speaker 4: to get Twitter and Instagram when Murder started and so,
Speaker 4: but I wasn't fully doing it. I remember watching you
Speaker 4: guys do that. Well, I guess you guys didn't start
Speaker 4: the live tweeting phenomenon until season two, right, that was
Speaker 4: like the big ship pilot. Okay, it was the.
Speaker 3: Pilot, Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, we started tweeting from
Speaker 3: the from the beginning, but it took off later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it took off second season, but the first
Speaker 2: season we started it. But some of the tweets from
Speaker 2: April twenty seventh of twenty twelve, this is like going
Speaker 2: back into our our time capsule Liza is at end
Speaker 2: the fact it said, whoever this Amanda Turner is has
Speaker 2: balls of steel lying like that hashtag scandal. Nice job,
Speaker 2: Amanda Turner.
Speaker 3: They would mess up our names all the time. I
Speaker 3: get called.
Speaker 5: Hawk, Oh, would be like I love Puck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got pucker Hawk.
Speaker 5: Love that hawk. I'm like Yo, you're.
Speaker 3: All this stay at home I stay at home daughter
Speaker 3: at fuddlecutdo, says mean while watching Scandal, bitch, you know
Speaker 3: they can kill you, right. Take the fucking money serious,
Speaker 3: which is not wrong. Where's the lie? Where's the lie
Speaker 3: in that statement? Yep? Nowhere? It was ten million dollars.
Speaker 3: Amanda Turner said no to ten million.
Speaker 4: A minute it was, wasn't it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was ten million.
Speaker 4: I thought they were off friends right meeting man.
Speaker 5: God, she must really love that Billy Chambers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like she really loved that Billy Chambers at lex
Speaker 2: Boogie one on April twenty seventeenty twelve, says I just
Speaker 2: finished doing that.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that's it, replies to.
Speaker 2: Lol retweet, Oh here it is, guys. I'm just like
Speaker 2: remembering how to read twitter at. I need to watch
Speaker 2: Cyrus read the President for blood one more time on
Speaker 2: Scandal hashtag DVR.
Speaker 5: Who's this?
Speaker 2: At Rolake says the blondie and newbie on Scandal are
Speaker 2: kind of awe.
Speaker 4: I know, I was trying to figure out who they
Speaker 4: were talking about.
Speaker 5: Who is that?
Speaker 3: That's YouTube? Oh that's YouTube?
Speaker 5: Than blonde?
Speaker 4: She was kind of dirty blonde?
Speaker 2: Oh was she Oh my god, Oh my god, they're
Speaker 2: talking about us.
Speaker 5: Fuck you so.
Speaker 2: A no, it's fine, please. That is nothing compared to
Speaker 2: the shit I got for the next seven years.
Speaker 4: It's a very strange thing, the Twitter. It's a blessing
Speaker 4: and a curse. Man, I don't know.
Speaker 3: The key is not responding to to that bullshit, not
Speaker 3: feed into that like I did in the beginning a
Speaker 3: little bit, and then I was just like, I can't
Speaker 3: do that. I just would mute people.
Speaker 2: For me, it would be like a hundred compliments, but
Speaker 2: the one thing that someone said that was unc hind
Speaker 2: would be the thing I would think about her and
Speaker 2: my husband would be like, Katie, there's literally like ninety
Speaker 2: nine people telling you that you're prettier, you did a
Speaker 2: good job or something, and the one person who said
Speaker 2: I was had a fat ass, or you know, that
Speaker 2: I was stupid or somebody fucking killed Quinn Perkins or
Speaker 2: something would be the thing that would like.
Speaker 3: Eat what you would harp on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like it was such a lesson. But also
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for it, because my god, I have
Speaker 2: a thick skin now, Like I don't even fucking care,
Speaker 2: Like I'm just like think what you want.
Speaker 5: Like, when you get put.
Speaker 2: Through that, you're just like the the only way I'm
Speaker 2: going to survive this is to just yeah, you just
Speaker 2: you just build up immunity to it.
Speaker 5: You're just like, yeah, I can't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ye, Liza VI, you are so tell us
Speaker 2: what you're up to now and then we'll let you go.
Speaker 5: We can catch you on the Cleaning Lady.
Speaker 4: You can catch me. I'm the Cleaning Lady. Yes, you
Speaker 4: can watch it on Hulu and I believe that the
Speaker 4: first season is on HBO Max. But yeah, I've had
Speaker 4: a really lovely time recurring on that show, really really nice.
Speaker 5: I've heard it's amazing.
Speaker 4: It's a really fun show. And again, like I get
Speaker 4: to do some really fucking cool shit on that show.
Speaker 5: Man, Like what are you playing? What are you playing? Now? God,
Speaker 5: you're such a chameleon.
Speaker 4: Assistant Special Agent in Charge Catherine Russo who is FBI
Speaker 4: and I play sort of this the boss supervisor to
Speaker 4: Oliver Hudson, who is, yes, a little bit of a
Speaker 4: loose cannon rogue rogue agent.
Speaker 5: This is very cool. I'm very into this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a cool show, but I get to I
Speaker 4: got to like fucking jump out of a helicopter with
Speaker 4: like swat gear on, and I get to do cool
Speaker 4: actiony stuff a little bit yo.
Speaker 5: And Liza's fucking strong.
Speaker 2: How I used to take pilates private doubles with her.
Speaker 2: We had the same pilates teacher, Juliet Kaska. Who's so
Speaker 2: I can do one move? She asked me, not a
Speaker 2: single fucking one.
Speaker 4: It took me months, Katie, like, like I think, maybe
Speaker 4: even a full two babies.
Speaker 5: I have lost everything I ever knew or.
Speaker 4: Was when I I mean, I started working with her
Speaker 4: like six months after I had Josephine, and I had
Speaker 4: zero body awareness or like I couldn't feel any kind
Speaker 4: of muscle.
Speaker 2: An ab good luck, I know, but I used to
Speaker 2: do doubles with Liza when I was in great shape.
Speaker 5: And Liza's a beast.
Speaker 3: You are so strong, you.
Speaker 2: Are so fit, and anyone who's anyone should go and
Speaker 2: watch the Cleaning Lady and watch Liza jump out of
Speaker 2: helicopters and kick some fucking yeah. Thank you all so
Speaker 2: much for listening to the Scandal Rewatch podcast Unpacking the
Speaker 2: Tool though, and.
Speaker 3: Thank you Liza. Thank you so so much Eliza for
Speaker 3: hanging out with us.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys, as it's lovely talking to you. I
Speaker 4: could talk to you all day long because it is
Speaker 4: so fun.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, rings and let's do that. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to hang out, Liza. I miss you terribly. Thank
Speaker 2: you for coming on. Next week we are on episode
Speaker 2: one oh five called Crash and Burn.
Speaker 3: That's a really good episode. The next one too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a huge plane crash. Yes, yeah, you guys
Speaker 3: got to come back and check it out.
Speaker 5: I'm back check it out with Katie Lows.
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